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          SO WE ARE GOING TO OPEN OUR MEETING AT 5:00 FOR SEPTEMBER 29TH, 2026. BUT WE DO NEED TO WAIT FOR AFTER WE DO. OKAY. DO YOU WANT TO CONDUCT ANY BUSINESS BEFORE HE GETS HERE? IT'LL HELP US IN THE LONG RUN. RECEIVE PUBLIC COMMENTS. YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE FIRST ITEM. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? YES, WE HAVE ONE. OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND PROCEED ON TO ITEM ONE. I'M SORRY. TWO. NO. ITEM ONE. ITEM ONE. GO! OKAY. PATRICIA EBERT. YES. 
          [1. RECEIVE PUBLIC COMMENTS ]
PATRICIA EBERT 115. SOUTH GREEN STONE. SEVEN. FIVE. 116. ISABEL OF THE RESTAURANT DUMPED ON DUNCANVILLE. AND I'M GOING TO READ INTO RECORD THREE CITY EMAILS ON SEPTEMBER THE 17TH AT 9:30 A.M. I EMAILED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR MARLON GOFF. OUTRAGEOUS. YESTERDAY, ISABELLA DUMPED AUCTION, BOUGHT USED SUVS WITH AUCTION TAGS STILL ON THESE USED STOVES. A SINK AND SMALLER EQUIPMENT WERE IN THE DUMPSTER. A SCRAPPER HAS ALREADY TAKEN OUT ALL THE EQUIPMENT IN THE DUMPSTER, BUT THE STOVES ARE STILL THERE. IN MY OPINION, THE 375 000KDCEDC ISABELLA LOANED. ISABELLA SHOULD GET A SITE VISIT TODAY TO ASK, WHY DON'T YOU DUMP IN DUNCANVILLE ON MONDAY? I ASKED MARK RAUSCHER, OUR A C M IN AN EMAIL WHAT WAS THE RESOLUTION? AND ABERNATHY AND RAUSCHER DO WORK AFTER HOURS, AND THEY DO RESPOND TO EMAILS AFTER HOURS. 
          ACM RAUSCHER SAID CITY CRUISES WAS MONDAY AT 6:41 P.M. CITY CREWS REMOVED THE MATERIALS FRIDAY A M DUE TO THE NUMBER OF COMPLAINTS THAT CAME IN AND THE HIGH VISIBILITY OF THIS AREA IN OUR DOWNTOWN. ISABELLA WAS ALSO GIVEN A WARNING. I EMAILED BACK ONE OUT OF VIOLATION 7 P.M. 
          AFTER HOURS, ACM RAUSCHER SAID. I AGREE, WE COULD HAVE ISSUED AN NOV NOTICE OF VIOLATION, BUT THEN THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY HAS TEN DAYS TO COME TO CORRECT THE ISSUE. IT WAS AN EYESORE FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED, SO GETTING RID OF IT QUICKLY WAS THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION, SAYING THAT THE NEXT TIME THAT THEY WOULD BE ISSUED IN OVS. AND SO AFTER THIS MEETING, I AM GOING TO EMAIL TO THE CITY SECRETARY. THE THREE EMAILS THAT I JUST READ INTO THE RECORD. IT WILL NOW BE A PUBLIC RECORD THAT PEOPLE CAN REQUEST OPEN RECORDS REQUEST. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL. 
          THAT IS OUR PUBLIC COMMENTS. CAN WE GET ANY ELECTRONICS? NO ELECTRONICS. OKAY WITH THAT? 
          [3. EXECUTIVE SESSION ]
SINCE MR. HAGER IS NOW HERE, WE'RE GOIN I'LL BE BACK. OKAY. OKAY. TAKE MY WATER. SO WE GOT SOME FOLKS COMING IN. THEY KNOW OUT THERE. I THINK THEY DO. YES. OKAY. I'M GOING TO GIVE EVERYONE A COUPLE MINUTES. SINCE THIS WAS AN UNUSUAL SWITCH. I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY THAT WANTS TO BE IN HERE. IT'S TIME TO GET IN. IF YOU CHECK. YEAH. THERE. 
          YOU'RE OKAY. HERE WE GO. ALL. GOOD TO GO. HE TOLD THEM TO COME ON IN. YEAH. THAT'S TIME WHEN HE READ IT OUT, THIS WAS. OH, I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH. LET'S GO AHEAD. LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED. WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GO. WE'RE GOING TO RESUME OUR. OUR BRIEFING. 520. 
          IF THERE'S SOMEONE THAT'S GOING TO COME BACK IN, WE'LL SEE HOW FAR WE GET INTO IT. OKAY. SO 
          [2.A. Brief and discuss a proposed process and ordinance for naming City  buildings and other municipal facilities. ]
WE'LL GO TO ITEM TWO, A BRIEF AND DISCUSS PROPOSED PROCESS AND ORDINANCE FOR NAMING CITY BUILDINGS AND OTHER MUNICIPAL FACILITIES. OKAY. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL, IT'S RICHARD ABERNATHY. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. RICHARD ABERNATHY, INTERIM CITY MANAGER. THIS IS A FOLLOW UP ITEM FROM THE JULY 7TH CITY COUNCIL MEETING. IT'S REGARDING LOOKING AT OPTIONS FOR NAMING AND RECOGNITIONS FOR FOR CITY FACILITIES AFTER INDIVIDUALS IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND JUST A QUICK BACKGROUND, IN AUGUST OF 2016, THE CITY COUNCIL DID ADOPT AN ORDINANCE FOR PARKS AND PARKS FACILITY NAMING PROCEDURES, BUT OTHER OTHER CITY FACILITIES WERE NOT 
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INCLUDED, NOR WERE STREETS. IT JUST THOSE PARKS AND PARKS FACILITIES ONLY. FAST FORWARD TO JUNE OF 2024. THE LIBRARY BOARD ON JUNE 6TH OF 2024 REVIEWED A PROPOSAL TO RENAME THE LIBRARY IN HONOR OF AN AND MAYOR DAVID GREEN. THIS ITEM WAS BROUGHT IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL ON JUNE 18TH OF 2024. IT WAS A FORM OF A BRIEFING TO CONSIDER RENAMING THE DUNCANVILLE LIBRARY IN THEIR HONOR, AND AT THE TIME, THE DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL WAS. 
          LET'S LOOK AT A POSSIBLE NAMING ORDINANCE OR PROCEDURE FOR GOVERNING HOW NAMES ARE DETERMINED FOR CITY FACILITIES. AND SO IN AUGUST OF 2024, CITY COUNCIL DID CONSIDER A BROADER NAMING ORDINANCE FOR NON PARK CITY FACILITIES, BUT THE ITEM WAS TABLED FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION. WE KIND OF FAST FORWARD AGAIN TO JUNE, AND STAFF DID RECEIVE A REQUEST TO REVISIT AND CONSIDER A CITY NAMING POLICY AND PROCESS. AND SO WE DID BRIEF YOU ALL ON THAT ON JULY 7TH. AT THE TIME, IT WAS HOLD A LET'S HOLD A WORKSHOP FOR FUTURE DIRECTION. 
          SO WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO DO THAT. WHAT I DID, AND THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT I SHOWED Y'ALL ON JULY 7TH OF OTHER CITIES. AND DO THEY HAVE EITHER AN ORDINANCE OR RESOLUTION OR PROCESS? AND YOU CAN SEE HERE DESOTO, OUR NEIGHBOR DESOTO DOES HAVE A RESOLUTION THAT GOVERNS NAMING FACILITIES. GRAND PRAIRIE HAS AN ORDINANCE AS WELL. OUR, OUR NEIGHBOR AND BEST SOUTHWEST LANCASTER DOES, AND NORTH RICHLAND HILLS AND ALSO THE CITY OF ROWLETT. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS TALKING, I WAS TALKING TO THE MAYOR ABOUT THIS, AND HE ALSO WAS ASKING, WHAT ABOUT. ARE THERE CITIES OUT THERE THAT NAME, LIKE A CITY COUNCIL CHAMBER, A COMMUNITY ROOM, OR ANY TYPE OF OPEN SPACE LIKE THAT AFTER SOMEBODY. SO WE WENT AHEAD AND SURVEYED THE SAME CITIES. UNFORTUNATELY, THERE'S SOME CITIES YOU CAN SEE HERE. I DIDN'T GET INFORMATION BACK FROM LIKE FARMERS BRANCH AND HALTOM CITY, FOR EXAMPLE. BUT CEDAR HILL HAS NAMED THEIR COUNCIL CHAMBERS AFTER A COMMUNITY MEMBER, I BELIEVE WAS A FORMER CITY COUNCIL MEMBER, GRAND PRAIRIE. WHAT GRAND PRAIRIE TOLD ME WAS THEY HAVE DIFFERENT COMMUNITY SPACES. THEY'VE NAMED AFTER INDIVIDUALS, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY NAMED THEIR AMPHITHEATER AFTER SOMEBODY. WE HAVE A SIMILAR NAMING OURSELVES OUT HERE FOR OURS. AND THEN LANCASTER DOES AS WELL AS CITY OF WAXAHACHIE. BUT THERE'S A CAVEAT THERE. IN BOTH THOSE CASES, THEY NAME BOTH THE BUILDING AND THE CONFERENCE ROOMS AFTER THE SAME INDIVIDUAL, BUT THAT'S GENERALLY WHAT WE SAW FROM THAT. SO THIS IS AGAIN, KIND OF THAT COMPARE THAT COMPARISON OF OF WHAT CITIES DO HAVE A RESOLUTION OR NAMING ORDINANCE. 
          JUST ANOTHER RECAP. THIS IS THE COMMON ELEMENTS YOU SEE THROUGH THOSE POLICIES. YOU KNOW, IT DOES ESTABLISH THE CRITERIA AND PROCEDURES. THE TYPICAL NAMING CRITERIA IS A SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTION TO THE COMMUNITY, A LONG TERM PUBLIC SERVICE OR CIVIC LEADER, A NAME THAT'S HISTORICAL CULTURE, HAS A COMMUNITY SIGNIFICANCE OR MAYBE A FINANCE, A MAJOR FINAL OR PHILANTHROPY PHILANTHROPIC CONTRIBUTION. AND THEN SOME OF THE COMMON RESTRICTIONS ARE AVOID DUPLICATIVE OR CONFUSING NAMES. REQUIREMENTS FOR SOMEBODY HAD HAD PASSED AWAY ALREADY. AND WHEN DO YOU CONSIDER NAMING THAT AFTER SOMEBODY WHO HAD PASSED AWAY DOING BACKGROUND SEARCHES AND DETERMINING NAMING APPROPRIATENESS? YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY AVOID DISCRIMINATORY POLITICAL OR COMMERCIAL NAMES AND THEN JUST KIND OF A WELL DEFINED CONNECT CONNECTION BETWEEN THE NAME AND THE FACILITY. AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST ANOTHER OVERVIEW OF KIND OF THE PROCESS USED BY THOSE CITIES. THEY HAVE AN APPLICATION PROCESS. THEY DO REVIEW, THEY DO PUBLIC INPUT TO SEE IF THERE ARE THERE IS INTEREST IN THE COMMUNITY AND HAVING THAT NAME CONSIDERED. AND THEN ULTIMATELY IT'S COUNCIL AUTHORITY TO DO THAT FINAL NAMING OF THAT FACILITY. AND THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE EXAMPLES WE SAW OUT THERE, THE TYPE OF PUBLIC INPUT THAT THEY WOULD DO, WHETHER IT'S A RESIDENT OR CUSTOMER SURVEY, A FOCUS GROUP, A PUBLIC HEARING, OR EVEN TOWN HALL MEETINGS. AND SO I, YOU KNOW, I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THE ORDINANCE THAT WAS DRAFTED IN AUGUST OF 2024. 
          AND REALLY, IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO THOSE OTHER CITIES. IT HAS A LOT OF THE KEY, KEY ELEMENTS THAT THAT MOST OF THESE OTHER ORDINANCES HAVE. IT DOES IT IS APPLIED TO CITY OWNED BUILDINGS. 
          IT BASICALLY WHAT IT WOULD DO IS IT WOULD BASICALLY AMEND THE EXISTING ORDINANCE TO ENCOMPASS ALL CITY FACILITIES AND LAND. IT DOES ESTABLISH CRITERIA FOR NAMING FACILITIES AFTER INDIVIDUALS AND ORGANIZATIONS. I MEAN, HAS ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS. IT EVEN HAS A RULE IN THERE. MOST OF YOU SAID IF YOU NAMED A FACILITY AFTER SOMEONE THAT PASSED AWAY, IT HAD TO BE WITHIN SIX MONTHS OR THIS PROPOSED ORDINANCE ACTUALLY HAS IT AS A YEAR, FOR EXAMPLE. AND THEN ONE THING THAT I THOUGHT WAS INTERESTING IS SOME OF THE FEEDBACK I GOT FOR YOU ALL IN JULY 7TH WAS LOOKING AT SPONSORSHIPS FOR NAMES. AND ACTUALLY THERE IS A PROVISION THERE THAT ALLOWS FOR SPONSORSHIP AGREEMENTS. IT WAS ACTUALLY IN THAT ORDINANCE. THE ONLY THING IT DOES NOT INCLUDE IS A PUBLIC INPUT OR SURVEY REQUIREMENT. AND SO IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS ORDINANCE, WE WOULD WANT TO PROBABLY ADD THAT COMPONENT BECAUSE THAT WAS SOMETHING YOU ALL SAID WOULD WOULD SOMETHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE. AND SO REALLY, I THINK WE'RE KIND OF BACK TO THE TABLE ON THE THREE OPTIONS THAT ARE IN FRONT OF US. 
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WE CAN OPTION ONE, I THINK IS HAVING NO FORMAL POLICY WHATSOEVER LIKE WE DO NOW, AND JUST CONTINUE EVALUATING REQUESTS ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, WE RECENTLY RENAMED A STREET AFTER BILL WILBURN, YOU KNOW, WHO WORKED FOR PUBLIC WORKS FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. YOU COULD DO THE SAME THING FOR A FACILITY OR OPTION TWO, YOU COULD ADOPT THIS ORDINANCE, MAKE ANY MODIFICATIONS YOU FEEL ARE NECESSARY, AND THEN JUST HAVE THAT IN PLACE FOR ANY FUTURE REQUESTS, WITH THE PUBLIC INPUT BEING PART OF IT. OR OPTION THREE, YOU COULD LOOK AS KIND OF WHAT WE WERE SAYING EARLIER, MAYBE MAINTAIN EXISTING FACILITY NAME AND HAVE OTHER WAYS TO RECOGNIZE THOSE INDIVIDUALS, WHETHER IT'S NAMING A ROOM AFTER SOMEBODY, MAYBE YOU HAVE A NICE DEDICATION PLAQUE, YOU KNOW, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, A CUSTOMER LIKE THE CHAMPIONS WALK, YOU HAVE AN AREA THAT'S JUST KIND OF DEDICATED, THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT CONTRIBUTED TO THE COMMUNITY IN THE HISTORY, OR YOU COULD HAVE DISPLAYS OR EVEN KIND OF WALLS OF RECOGNITION. SO REALLY THAT'S THE CONCLUSION OF THE OF THE PRESENTATION. AND REALLY JUST WANTED TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK. IF WE DO WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH POSSIBLY AN ORDINANCE OR KEEP THINGS AS IS, OR WE COULD JUST KIND OF DO IN BETWEEN MAYBE SOME INDIVIDUAL RECOGNITION. SO STAFF IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND ANY, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS THIS TOPIC QUESTIONS. DOES IT COVER IN THIS ORDINANCE NAMING A ROOM? I DON'T THINK IT'S SPECIFIC, BUT WE COULD WE COULD ADD THAT. 
          ROOM AREA AND ROOM. YES. YEAH. OKAY. IT WAS GOOD. THANK YOU MAYOR. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE INCLUDED STAKEHOLDERS, PUBLIC INPUT, COMMUNITY INPUT. OKAY. THE ONE THE ONE QUESTION I HAD IS WE DON'T HAVE A POLICY FOR STREET NAMING, DO WE? WE REALLY DON'T. AND FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS IF, IF IF THERE'S A DESIRE TO RENAME A STREET AFTER SOMEBODY, YOU JUST HAVE TO ADOPT AN ORDINANCE. THE BILL WE'RE WILBURN WAS AN EXAMPLE RECENTLY. YOU KNOW, WE BRIEFED EVERYBODY ABOUT IT, GOT CONSENSUS, AND THEN WE ADOPTED AN ORDINANCE AND RENAMED THE ROAD. SO THERE'S NOT REALLY ANYTHING SPECIFIC ON STREETS. OKAY. SO, MR. DAVIS, WHAT WE DISCOVERED VERY EARLY ON WHEN THIS FIRST CAME UP WAS THAT THERE WAS A PLACEHOLDER AFTER THE PARKS. WELL, THERE WAS A THERE WAS AN A, I REMEMBER WHAT THE NUMBER OF THE SECTION WAS, BUT THERE WAS AN A, AND THAT WAS THE PARKS NAMING OF PARKS AND PARK FACILITIES. AND SO THAT HAD BEEN COVERED. THAT WAS MENTIONED ON THIS FIRST PAGE, BUT THERE WAS A B THAT WAS LEFT FOR NAMING OF CITY FACILITIES. AND THAT WAS NEVER THAT WAS NEVER COMPLETED. OKAY. SO THIS IS AN ATTEMPT TO COMPLETE THAT. YEAH. NO, I UNDERSTAND, I THINK, I GATHER THAT I WAS JUST TRYING TO SEE BECAUSE IT FUNCTIONS SOMEWHAT SIMILARLY. AND SOMETIMES YOU SEE THE NAMING OF BUILDINGS, SPACE AND STREETS KIND OF SIMILARLY CO-LOCATED IN A POLICY. SO I JUST WAS WONDERING BECAUSE WE TALK ABOUT NAMING THINGS. YEAH. JUST, JUST TO, JUST TO QUERY. YEAH. MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT'S JUST BY CASE, BY CASE ON STREETS. AND THERE'S AN ORDINANCE THAT COMES AND ADOPTS. YOU CHANGE THE NAME, BUT NOT A FORMAL. BUT YEAH, IF, IF THE CONSENSUS IS FOR US TO UPDATE THIS ORDINANCE AND BRING IT BACK FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, WE CAN DO THAT. IF YOU ALL WANT TO LEAVE THINGS AS IS, THAT'S FINE TOO. STAFF IS PREPARED TO DO WHATEVER COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO. HOW COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED. OKAY. CAN YOU GO BACK THAT ONE THERE? OKAY. COUNCIL, I'D LIKE TO GET A CONSENSUS ON THE ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS. WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO WITH THAT? SO YES, AND I JUST I JUST FORWARDED THIS TO CITY SECRETARY TO BE FORWARDED TO THE REST OF US. BUT WHEN WE LAST DISCUSSED THIS, I SENT SOME LANGUAGE THAT I'D TAKEN FROM OTHER ORDINANCES. THAT COVERS QUITE A BIT OF THIS AND, AND ASKED FOR THAT TO BE FORWARDED TO THE REST OF COUNCIL. SO I'M NOT SURE IF THAT THAT HAPPENED OR NOT, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S NECESSARY TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THEM NOW. BUT MOVING FORWARD, YEAH, I'D LIKE FOR THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS TO BE INCLUDED IN OUR DISCUSSIONS AND CONSIDERED IN THE DRAFT ORDINANCE. IF THAT DID HAPPEN AS AN OVERSIGHT, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE INCORPORATE THAT IN OR AT LEAST HAVE IT PREPARED FOR CONSIDERATION. SO I'LL MAKE NOTE AND WE'LL CHIQUITA AND I WILL GET THAT INFORMATION AND PUT IT INTO THE INTO THE RECORD AND INTO THE PROPOSAL. SO WITH THAT COUNCIL, THE ADDITION OF ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION PORTION. AND CERTAINLY WE WANT TO SEE WHAT MR. KOONTZ HAS SENT OVER BEFORE WE FINALIZE THIS. 
          BUT DO I HAVE A CONSENSUS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO ADD THE ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS 
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OR NOT? I THOUGHT WHAT THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS WANTED. WAS VALID. SO YEAH, THERE WERE TWO ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS. ONE WAS TO PROVIDE FOR MR. ABERNATHY, A PUBLIC INPUT SLASH SURVEY PUBLIC HEARING COMPONENT, WHICH WAS GOOD AND WANTED. AND MISS PENEBAKER SPOKE TO WANTING A PROVISION IN THERE THAT WILL ALLOW SPACES AND ROOMS TO BE NAMED IN A SIMILAR FASHION. I THINK THOSE ARE THE TWO ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE'RE ALL IN FAVOR. I'M IN FAVOR OF AS WELL. AND YOU SAID STAKEHOLDERS AND SURVEYS, THOSE COULD BE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS, RIGHT? YEAH. I JUST THINK WE NEED SOME KIND OF PUBLIC INPUT HEARING COMPONENT, BUT LEAVE ENOUGH ROOM FOR STAFF TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT BEST LOOKS LIKE. BUT THE SPIRIT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THE INPUT OF THE COMMUNITY. I DON'T KNOW IF A SURVEY IS MOST FEASIBLE BECAUSE WE ALREADY KNOW SOMETIMES SURVEYS GET LOST IN IN OTHER THINGS, BUT BUT WE NEED TO HAVE A VENUE THROUGH WHICH TO HEAR PEOPLE OUT BEFORE TAKING A FINAL ACTION. SO THAT'S WHY I SAY WE JUST LUMP IT AND PUT HEARING FEEDBACK MECHANISM IN PLACE. IT LOOKED LIKE FOR SOME OF THE CITIES, THERE'S EITHER LIKE A PUBLIC HEARING WHERE PEOPLE CAN COME AND SPEAK AND SAY, I'M FOR OR AGAINST. AND THEN THERE WAS A SURVEY DONE THROUGH A METHOD, WHETHER IT'S A SURVEY MONKEY OR, YOU KNOW, SOME TYPE OF SURVEY METHOD. WE CAN LOOK AT THAT. YEAH. SO, OKAY, SO IS THIS GOING TO BE BROUGHT BACK AFTER WE'VE ADDED IT? OR AT LEAST LIKE WE'VE DONE UP HERE WHERE WE ADD THE, THE MISSING INFORMATION THAT MR. KOONTZ HAD SENT OVER? YEAH, DEFINITELY INCORPORATE THAT DRAFT PROPOSED ORDINANCE AND THEN, OKAY, BRING IT BACK TO A WORK SESSION AND HAVE YOU DOES THAT SATISFY EVERYONE? BOTH THOSE ITEMS ON THERE. OKAY. 
          OKAY. THAT SOUNDS GOOD. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. NOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM. TWO. 
          [2.B. Brief and discuss proposed changes to the City Council Rules and  Procedures ]
BE BRIEF AND DISCUSS PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE CITY COUNCIL RULES AND PROCEDURES. GOOD EVENING AGAIN EVERYONE. THIS THIS ITEM IS ALSO A FOLLOW UP FROM A PREVIOUS CITY COUNCIL MEETING ON THE COUNCIL RULES AND PROCEDURES. SO JUST A BACKGROUND. THE COUNCIL REVIEWS ANNUAL REVIEWS OR CITY COUNCIL RULES AND PROCEDURES. WE BROUGHT THAT IN FRONT OF YOU ALL ON JUNE 1ST. AND REALLY THE FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED FROM YOU ALL WAS, LET'S RELOOK AT THE PUBLIC HEARING REVIEW PROCESS WAS ONE. THE OTHER ONE WAS CODE OF CONDUCT FOR CITIZENS, PUBLIC COMMENTS AND MAKING SURE EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, MAINTAINED DECORUM. AND THEN ALSO WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MAYBE THERE WAS SOME OPTIONS FOR HOW MEETING FORMATS WOULD LOOK LIKE IN THE FUTURE. RIGHT NOW, YOU CURRENTLY HAVE A WORK SESSION HERE THAT STARTS AT SIX. YOU GO THROUGH THAT WORK SESSION, YOU ADJOURN AND THEN YOU KNOW, THEN ADJOURN AGAIN FOR THE REGULAR MEETING. AND SO JUST REAL QUICKLY, THE CURRENT PROCESS IN THE RULES AND PROCEDURES IS RIGHT NOW, IT BASICALLY SAYS THAT BOTH PROPONENTS SHALL HAVE A MAXIMUM OF TEN MINUTES PER SIDE FOR THEIR PRESENTATION, AND THEN A MAXIMUM OF FIVE MINUTES PER SIDE WILL BE PROVIDED FOR REBUTTAL AND REBUTTAL. AND THEN AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED, THE CITY COUNCIL MAY ASK QUESTIONS OF THE SPEAKERS, AND THEN SPEAKERS MUST LIMIT THEIR RESPONSES TO THE QUESTION ASKED BY THE COUNCIL. SO WE WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING. AND SO WE MADE A COUPLE PROPOSED CHANGES. WHAT WE SAW IS THAT REALLY YOU WOULD START WITH STAFF, WOULD PRESENT THE ITEM IF IT'S A PUBLIC A PUBLIC HEARING, AND THEN IF IF IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING ON ZONING, ETC. THEN THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE A CHANCE TO PRESENT THEIR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. ONCE THOSE TWO INDIVIDUALS HAVE SPOKEN, THEN YOU OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND YOU WOULD HAVE VERY SIMILAR VIEWS. BOTH STEPS. THE PROPONENTS HAVE THE MAXIMUM OF TEN MINUTES PER SIDE FOR THEIR PRESENTATION. THE FIVE MINUTES PER SIDE WILL BE PROVIDED REBUTTAL, REBUTTAL. AND THEN AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED, COUNCIL MAY ASK ANY QUESTIONS OF SPEAKERS OR APPLICANTS. I THINK MAYBE WE WANT TO KIND OF BE CLEAR ON WHETHER WHAT A SPEAKER AN APPLICANT IS, JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR ON THAT. AND THEN AGAIN, THE THE SPEAKERS OR THE APPLICANTS WOULD LIMIT THEIR RESPONSE TO THE QUESTIONS ASKED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. BUT THAT'S JUST A GENERAL CONCEPTUAL IDEA. IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE SPECIFICALLY COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT, LOOK INTO THAT. WE CAN. BUT AGAIN, IT JUST KIND OF HAS MORE OF A FLOW THAT FOLLOWS OTHER CITIES. YEAH, I'M I'M MR. MAYOR, I'M SORRY. I'M FAMILIAR WITH WHAT YOU PROPOSED. ONE OF THE THINGS, THOUGH, I THINK WE HAVE TO BE REAL CLEAR ON IF WE CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, HAVING THIS MORE STANDARD FORMAT YOU TYPICALLY SEE IS WHAT EXACTLY, YOU KNOW, HOW STAFF WILL PRESENT THE CASE OR PRESENT THE ZONING CASE OR PROPOSED CHANGE. 
          WHAT IS THE APPLICANT? ARE THEY USING A PORTION OF THE TEN MINUTES THAT THAT. YEAH, I THINK IT'S AT FIRST THE APPLICANTS JUST IT'S OPEN. THEY CAN DO THEIR PRESENTATION JUST LIKE STAFF. BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME PARAMETERS AROUND. IF WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO THE APPLICANT, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME KIND OF PARAMETERS AROUND. IF STAFF IS GOING TO MAKE A PRESENTATION. AND THEN BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IN OTHER CITIES WE WILL THEN SAY, IS THE APPLICANT IS HERE. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, STAND, YOU KNOW, APPLICANT, STAND BY IF WE HAVE 
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ANY QUESTIONS. SO IF WE'RE INTENDING TO DO THAT, THEN I'M FINE WITH THE WAY THIS LAYS OUT. 
          BUT I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THAT UNDERSTANDING GOING IN. SO MAYBE IT'S OKAY. I'M SORRY. SO MAYBE INSTEAD OF THE APPLICANT PRESENTING IT'S STAFF DOES A PRESENTATION AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. IF IF THE COUNCIL HAS ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT. OKAY. WELL WE DO THAT ALREADY. THE APPLICANT DOES HIS PRESENTATION HIS OR HER PRESENTATION. AND THEN WHEN THEY'RE DONE, WE ALWAYS REMIND THEM TO HANG AROUND BECAUSE WE MAY HAVE COUNCIL MAY HAVE QUESTIONS, BUT IN WHAT I'M I'M EXACTLY THAT. BUT WHAT GETS UNWIELDY ABOUT THAT IS THE APPLICANT DOESN'T ALWAYS UNIFORMLY MAKE A PRESENTATION. 
          THERE'S NO TIME PARAMETERS AROUND THE APPLICANTS PRESENTATION. SO IF WE WANT THAT, I'M NOT SAYING I DON'T WANT THE APPLICANT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. I JUST I THINK WE NEED TO BE CLEAR ON DO WE WANT THE APPLICANT TO CONTINUE TO MAKE THOSE PRESENTATIONS? IF SO, FOR HOW LONG? AND THEN IF WE NEED TO? AND IS THAT COMING FROM THE TEN MINUTES FROM THE RIGHT, FROM THE FOUR. OR IS. THEN YOU HAVE THOSE WHO ARE AGAINST. SO HOW DO WE BALANCE THAT OUT? THAT'S WHAT'S NOT CLEAR THERE. YEAH. BECAUSE. WELL, YEAH, THE TEN MINUTES. SO THAT THAT'S BEFORE THE HEARING OPENS. RIGHT. THE PRESENTATION. SO THAT SO THEY'RE NOT TAKING ANY OF THE TEN MINUTES. BUT I DO AGREE THAT ONE THAT THE APPLICANT SHOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT IF THEY WANT TO, BUT THAT IT SHOULD BE LIMITED TO FIVE MINUTES OR WHATEVER CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME. RIGHT. MR. HAGER YEAH, I, I THINK YOU'RE BETTER TO READ THE PRESENTATION. RIGHT. WHAT WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA? OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I THINK THE STAFF'S PRESENTATION NEEDS TO BE PART OF THE PUBLIC. I THINK THE APPLICANTS. STATEMENTS OUGHT TO BE PART OF THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND THEN THE CITIZENS BE PART OF THE PUBLIC HEARING, BECAUSE THAT CREATES A LEGISLATIVE RECORD. WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS CREATING A LEGISLATIVE RECORD FOR ON WHICH YOU TO MAKE A DECISION. SO I WANT THE STAFF AND THE APPLICANT TO BE PART OF THAT PROCESS. RIGHT? AND THEN THE CITIZENS GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE INPUT TO CREATE MORE OF A LEGISLATIVE RECORD. AND THEN THAT WAY IT'S ON THE RECORD. BECAUSE IF I HAVE TO GO TO COURT AND DEFEND IT, IT'S A PART OF THE RECORD. IT'S PART OF THE RECORD. OKAY. SO WE SO WHAT? SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS NOTHING PRECEDES THE THE OPENING OF THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          WE GO STRAIGHT TO OPENING THE PUBLIC HEARING, READ THE AGENDA ITEM, OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, CALL ON STAFF, CALL ON THE APPLICANT, AND THEN CALL ON CITIZENS. OKAY. AND THEN THE APPLICANT WOULD BE MORE JUST QUESTIONS OR WELL, THE APPLICANT, THEY HAVE DOG AND PONY SHOWS TOO, AND THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO PERSUADE US, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S CONTROVERSIAL, THE AND IT'S THEIR APPLICATION. NINE TIMES OUT OF TEN, THEY OUGHT TO BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO AT LEAST ADDRESS THE GOVERNING BODY TO MAKE A DECISION. CAN WE PUT IN WE CAN PUT LIMITS ON THE APPLICANT LIKE YOU HAVE X AMOUNT OF TIME. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM PUTTING LIMITS. COURTS PUT LIMITS ON LAWYERS ALL THE TIME, THANK GOD. YES, LORD. IS THERE A LIMIT? YOU GOT YOU ALL. IF YOU GO TO FEDERAL COURT, THEY HAVE A CHESS CLOCK. HE GOES, YOU HAVE AN HOUR AND YOU HAVE AN HOUR. THAT'S IT. YOU TALK. I DON'T CARE WHETHER IT'S YOUR WITNESS OR YOU. HE HITS THE CHESS CLOCK, AND WHEN HE GETS DONE, HE HITS IT AND THEN HITS IT AGAIN FOR THE OTHER SIDE. SO IT'S CRAZY, BUT IT WORKS. HE'S HE OR SHE IS NOT REALLY DRACONIAN ABOUT IT. THEY'RE GOING, I GAVE YOU AN HOUR. YOU GOT 55 MINUTES. 
          YOU'VE ALREADY USED UP. SO YOU GOT FIVE MORE MINUTES. SO SO THAT'S WHY IT'S REALLY EFFICIENT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. COMMENTS. SO FIVE MINUTES PER SIDE. JUST KEEP IT FIVES. YEAH. 
          DO FIVES ALL THE WAY AROUND. SO THAT WAY YOU SO THAT'S WAY THAT WAY YOU CAN THAT WAY IF YOU DO IT 555 AND YOU JUST KEEP IT, YOU KEEP IT LIKE THAT. YOU CAN KNOW BY ZONING CASE HOW MANY MINUTES THAT PUBLIC HEARING SHOULD TAKE UNDER NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES. ONE QUESTION I HAD FOR COUNCIL TWO. YEAH, ONE QUESTION I HAD FOR COUNCIL TWO REGARDING THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION. SO OBVIOUSLY THERE'S TEN MINUTES PER SIDE. NOW. I'VE WORKED AT SOME CITIES WHERE THERE ISN'T A REBUTTAL OPPORTUNITY. IT'S JUST YOU GET A CHANCE TO SAY YOUR PIECE AND THEN YOU'RE DONE. AND SO THAT'S THE QUESTION I HAVE HERE, IS OUR RULES HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY. 
          BUT I SEE BOB SAYING, MAYBE YOU JUST SIT HERE ALL NIGHT. YEAH. SO BECAUSE IT'S ONE AND DONE, SO ONE AND DONE, YOU GUYS ALL HAVE QUESTIONS. YOU ALWAYS DO. OKAY. AND WITH THE CITIZENS BE FIVE MINUTES PER SIDE OR 1010 MINUTES. KEEP IT AS IS. I WOULD GIVE THEM SUFFICIENT YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S 50 PEOPLE SHOW UP. YEAH. YOU KNOW, I HATE TO SAY THIS, BUT I HAD ONE COUNCILMAN TELL ME A LONG TIME AGO, HE GOES, WELL, WE KIND OF SIGNED UP FOR THIS. SO JUST GET YOU AN EXTRA ALSO. AND COME, I THINK. AND I TELL YOU WHAT I'VE DONE IN SOME OTHER CITIES, OUR EACH SIDE IS MAXIMUM. AND THEN IF YOU IF IF THERE'S USUALLY A NEIGHBORHOOD OR TWO WILL SHOW 
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UP, HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD SPOKESMAN HAVE THEM SPEAK FOR EVERYONE, HAVE EVERYONE STAND UP AND GO, YEAH. AND THEN THEY CAN SIT BACK DOWN BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT REPETITIVE SOMEONE GETTING UP SAYING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER. BUT WE'D ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT 30, 30 MINUTES ASIDE, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ONE INDIVIDUAL CAN'T SPEAK FOR AN HOUR. RIGHT? OKAY, SO WE GOT TO WE HAVE TO SPECIFY IN THERE A PERSON WE WOULD ENCOURAGE. AND YOU WRITE INTO THE RULES THAT IF IF YOU'RE THERE AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, DESIGNATE THE PERSON BECAUSE I DON'T WANT PEOPLE DEFERRING AND GO, THEY GOT MY FIVE MINUTES, KEEP GOING. I THINK THAT ASSIGNING FIVE MINUTES OR A TIME PER PERSON IS NOT, IS NOT A GOOD IDEA. I, I THINK THAT ASSIGNING IF WE WANT THE PROPONENT OF A CASE, IF YOU'RE SPEAKING ON THE CASE, YOU GET 15 MINUTES IN THE AGGREGATE AND YOU ORGANIZE YOURSELF. YOU KNOW HOW IT IS WHEN YOU HAVE A MAJOR ZONING CASE, YOU TELL THEM, YOU GET THAT, YOU DECIDE 15 MINUTES. WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO GET THROUGH AS MANY OF YOU AS WE POSSIBLY CAN. TRY NOT TO MAKE YOUR COMMENTS DUPLICATIVE. AND THEN IF WE NEED TO ADD MORE TIME, WE CAN PUT OUT A MOTION TO ADD MORE TIME TO EITHER SIDE. 
          BUT WE ALREADY DO TEN MINUTES IN AGGREGATE. WE EXPLAIN THAT UP FRONT THAT THEY HAVE TEN MINUTES IN AGGREGATE. DO YOU WANT TO INCREASE THAT? NO. OKAY. AND AND I WOULD ALSO ENCOURAGE CITIZENS TO TO PROVIDE WRITTEN COMMENTS. AND WE CAN ENTER THOSE INTO THE RECORD. ARE THEY TO BE READ DURING THE MEETING? NO, NO. GENERALLY IT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD HAS LIKE A LITTLE PETITION, THEY'LL PUT IT TOGETHER AND SAY, WE DON'T PARTING FORM LETTER OR THE FORM LETTER THEY SENT EVERY COUNCIL PERSON FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S THE SAME. EVERYONE PLAYS PLAYS THEIR ROLE IN THE PROCESS. OKAY. AND THEN BASED ON CONSISTENCY, I THINK NO REBUTTAL. JUST EVERYBODY GETS THOSE, THOSE 15 MINUTES PER SIDE AND THEN YOU'RE KIND OF YOU'RE DONE. AND LET ME, LET ME CHECK WITH THE CITY SECRETARY BECAUSE I, I FUMBLED THIS A FEW TIMES BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T ALWAYS THINK TO LOOK AT THE BOX ON THAT CARD THAT THEY CHECKED THAT THEY DO WANT TO SPEAK ON THAT ITEM. ARE YOU OKAY WITH THE WAY IT'S SET UP RIGHT NOW? YES. OKAY. OKAY. BECAUSE YOU HAVE YOUR SPEAKER LIST TOO, RIGHT? YES. YEAH. OKAY. SO LET'S REHEARSE WHAT WE JUST DECIDED. I'VE GOT MY NOTES. OKAY. NO, IT GOES LIKE THIS. 
          STEPH, STAFF WILL PRESENT THE ITEM. THEY HAVE FIVE MINUTES TO PRESENT THE ITEM. OPEN PUBLIC HEARING. FIRST PERSON IS. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. FOR THE RECORD, I HAVE EVERY BELIEF IN THE WORLD THAT YOU'VE GOT THIS MEMORIZED. HOWEVER, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE FIRST ITEM I HAVE. STAFF HAS FIVE MINUTES TO PRESENT. YES, I'VE GOT THAT. THE APPLICANT HAS FIVE MINUTES TO PRESENT. THOSE WHO ARE WANTING TO SPEAK ON, FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM HAVE TEN MINUTES ON, TEN MINUTES AGAINST SUBJECT QUESTIONS, WHITE COUNCIL. AND THEN AFTER THAT COUNCIL. CAN I ASK A QUESTION, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND THAT'S THE PUBLIC HEARING AND EVERYTHING IS IN THE RECORD. YEP. OKAY. I HAVE NOW THERE WAS ONE THING YOU SAID YOU MAY WANT TO EXTEND IT. YEAH, TAKE A VOTE SUBJECT TO A VOTE OF THE COUNCIL. SO CONSENSUS ON THIS COUNCIL, NOT IN THE HEADS. OH, I LOVE THOSE NODDING HEADS. OKAY. WE'RE GOOD. OKAY, I'VE GOT THE NOTES. I'LL BE GOING NEXT. NEXT ITEM IS THE CITIZEN COMMENT PORTION. SO THERE IS ACTUALLY I REMEMBER AT THE MEETING, THEY THEY ASKED IF THERE WAS ANYTHING IN THERE AND WE GENERALLY SAID NO, BUT THERE IS ACTUALLY IN THE RULES OF CONDUCT, THERE IS AN EXPERT IN THERE THAT DOES TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, RULES OF CONDUCT. IT JUST BASICALLY SAYS THAT DURING THE PUBLIC CITY COUNCIL, ALL GUESTS SHALL NOT DISTURB ORDER AND DECORUM, SHALL NOT INTERRUPT OR DELAY PROCEEDINGS AND SHALL NOT REFUSE TO OBEY THE ORDERS OF THE THE THE MAYOR OR THE RULES OF THE COUNCIL ATTENDEES. ATTENDEES SHALL DEMONSTRATE RESPECT AND COURTESY TO EACH OTHER, TO ALL MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL, TO CITY STAFF MEMBERS AND TO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE COUNCIL. ALL. ALL PARTICIPANTS SHALL REFRAIN FROM RUDE AND DEROGATORY REMARKS AND SHALL NOT BELITTLE STAFF MEMBERS, COUNCIL MEMBERS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. NO PARTICIPANT SHALL ENGAGE IN ELECTIONEERING DURING THE FORMAL CAMPAIGN SEASON. I THINK THAT'S GENERALLY COVERED PRETTY WELL. 
          MAYBE IT GETS MOVED TO A DIFFERENT SECTION BECAUSE IT'S IT WAS KIND OF IN A DIFFERENT SECTION. BUT I THINK FOR THE MOST PART, I THINK UNLESS Y'ALL THINK THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDED, I THINK THAT'S PRETTY ENCOMPASSING. SO WE COULD WE QUESTION THIS. GOOD. 
          I'M CONFUSED ABOUT IS THIS NOT WHAT IT ALREADY SAYS? THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS RIGHT NOW. YES, YES. SO WHILE WE'RE REVIEWING WHAT IT'S ALREADY, I THINK JUST BRINGING IT BACK THAT ACTUALLY WE WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT IT. IT WAS THEY'RE NOT CRITICIZING. OH YEAH. NO, NO. HOW DID WE GET HERE. YEAH. WELL IT WAS A, IT, THERE WAS A QUESTION THAT CAME UP ABOUT MAKING SURE IT WAS THE FEEDBACK. I WAS LIKE MAKING SURE THAT IT WAS, IT WAS CLEAR AND THAT THERE WAS A RULES AND 
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GUIDANCE. WE WENT BACK AND LOOKED AND IT, IT IS PRETTY CLEAR. BUT IF THERE WAS ANYTHING WE THINK WE NEED TO ADD, WE CAN. THAT'S A RECENT INCIDENT WHERE SOMEONE BROKE DECORUM. NOT THAT SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANYBODY THAT'S SPECIFIC. OKAY, I JUST YEAH, NO, JUST JUST JUST RECAP IT. JUST RECAPPING. MR. PENNYBAKER, MY QUESTION IS MORE LIKE ON THE CONSTITUTIONALITY AND THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH ASPECT OF IT. CAN I MEAN, IF SOMEONE DOES BREAK DECORUM AND THEY START DISRUPTING A PUBLIC MEETING AND IT'S A MISDEMEANOR, YOU CAN GO TO JAIL AND YOU CAN BE EJECTED. YEAH. THE MAYOR'S GOT THE RIGHT TO CONTROL. IT'S A PUBLIC MEETING, NOT A TOWN HALL MEETING. TOWN HALL MEETING. PUBLIC HAS A RIGHT TO ATTEND. 
          AND WHEN THEY HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM, IT'S ABOUT WHAT YOU SAY. I DON'T WANT ANY SPEECH POLICE, BUT I'VE GONE TO CITIES OF WHICH I REPRESENT, WHERE SOMEONE COMES IN AND STARTS BREAKDANCING, RAPPING, ACTING LIKE A HORSE'S ASS, FILMING IT, PUTTING IT ON TIKTOK AND MAKING MONEY OFF OF IT. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE FOCUS ON DECORUM. I WROTE SOME RULES FOR CITIES THAT I REPRESENT, WHERE THE MAYOR HAS A RIGHT TO SAY, I DON'T HAVE A RIGHT TO CONTROL WHAT YOU SAY. I RESPECT YOUR FREE SPEECH, BUT YOU CAN'T COME DOWN HERE AND ACT LIKE A MONKEY AND, AND THROW THINGS AND, AND PLAY VIDEO GAMES AND RAP MUSIC AND SAY ALL KINDS OF WHAT I THINK, QUITE FRANKLY, ARE, IF NOT MISOGYNISTIC, RACIAL AND ALL KINDS TO TRY TO GET A REACTION OUT OF SOMEBODY SO THEY CAN FILM IT AND PUT IT ON TIKTOK AND MAKE MONEY. I THINK WE'RE I MEAN, IT'S GONE ON IN PLANO. MCKINNEY. NO ONE'S DONE IT DOWN HERE. THANK GOD I'M NOT ENCOURAGING IT. BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME RULES FOR DECORUM. IN ALL THE YEARS I'VE COME DOWN HERE, I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYONE IS REALLY. ONCE IN A WHILE, WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO CAN HOLLER OUT IN THE AUDIENCE, AND THE MAYOR ALWAYS MANAGES TO CALM THEM DOWN. WELL, I THINK I THINK PART OF THIS AND WHY THIS CAME UP WAS BECAUSE IT WAS A COUNCIL MEETING. I DON'T BELIEVE YOU WERE STILL HERE AT THE MEETING AT THAT TIME. AND I BELIEVE THAT I WAS UNDER THE BELIEF THAT IN CITIZENS COMMENTS, SOMEONE COULDN'T NAME A COUNCIL MEMBER OR A STAFF MEMBER DIRECTLY. AND CONTESSA SAID, NO, THAT'S THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE. WE TRY TO ENCOURAGE THAT. IT'S NOT DOWN HERE TO CALL SOMEBODY OUT AND THAT KIND OF THING OR BE DISRESPECTFUL TO EITHER YOU AS INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS OR TO THE STAFF. IF SOMEONE'S GOT A COMPLAINT ABOUT A STAFF MEMBER THEY NEED TO VISIT WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. AND SO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY DO THAT? WHEN THEY WHEN THEY IF THEY START TO RESPECTFULLY COMPLAIN ABOUT A SPECIFIC STAFF MEMBER, JUST REMIND THEM THAT WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT IT. IF YOU'VE GOT A SPECIFIC ISSUE, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER THAT, WE DO NOT. RIGHT. THAT'S THE MANAGER'S RESPONSIBILITY. SO YOU POLITELY SAY, LET ME EXCUSE ME, STOP THE CLOCK, BUT I DON'T WANT COMPLAINTS ABOUT AN INDIVIDUAL OR NAMED INDIVIDUAL. THE WAY TO HANDLE THAT IS TO GO TO THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND FILE WHATEVER YOU THINK IS APPROPRIATE, AND WE'LL LOOK INTO IT. NOT DOWN HERE TO BESMIRCH ANYONE'S CHARACTER. WE'RE HERE TO CONDUCT THE PUBLIC'S BUSINESS. DO YOU? I DON'T THINK THIS IS A MAJOR ISSUE THAT THAT WE'RE HAVING, PER SE. I AGREE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE THESE RULES. DO YOU FIND IT? YOU KNOW, MISS TAYLOR, WOULD IT WOULD IT BE MAYBE WORTHWHILE TO JUST BRIEFLY, WHEN YOU TELL PEOPLE HOW MUCH TIME THEY HAVE, SPEAKERS ARE ENCOURAGED TO REMEMBER AND TO REFRAIN FROM RUDE, DEROGATORY COMMENTS, YOU KNOW, AND YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES TO MAKE YOUR COMMENTS, JUST AS A JUST AS A REMINDER, SOME CITIES DO THAT. YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY THAT'S UP ON THE SCREEN. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. 
          SO WE HAVE IT. OKAY. YEAH, WE USED TO READ THAT. OKAY. AND IT'S, IT'S A LOT TO SAY. OH, IT IS. AND SO IT'S ON THE SCREEN. SO OKAY, WE GOT IT ALREADY UP THERE, MR. COATS. SO GET BACK TO WHAT YOU BROUGHT UP EARLIER, BECAUSE THIS DOESN'T PROHIBIT ANYONE FROM MAKING NAMING SOMEONE RIGHT. CRITICAL MARKS AGAINST SOMEONE ON THE, OR A STAFF MEMBER OR COUNCIL MEMBERS OR ANYONE ELSE. SO RIGHT NOW THEY CAN MAKE CRITICAL REMARKS THAT I GUESS YOU HAVE TO DECIDE IF THEY'RE RUDE. THAT'S THE TOUGH PART. THAT'S THE TOUGH PART. BECAUSE DEROGATORY REMARKS TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL AS A WHOLE, NOT INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS NOR MEMBERS OF THE STAFF, BUT THE CITY. AND DIRECT YOUR COMMENTS TO THE MAYOR, DIRECT YOUR COMMENTS TO THE MAYOR. SO SO AGAIN, YEAH, SO THIS RIGHT NOW, IT DOESN'T PROHIBIT THEM FROM MAKING CRITICAL COMMENTS. WELL, I DON'T MIND. IT SAYS THEY SHALL REFRAIN FROM RUDE AND 
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DEROGATORY REMARKS AND SHALL NOT BELITTLE STAFF MEMBERS. SO, I MEAN, CRITICISM ISN'T NECESSARILY NO, JUST RUDE OR DEROGATORY POSITIVE, POSITIVE CRITICISM. IF THEY HAD AN EXPERIENCE WITH SOMEBODY THAT WAS RUDE TO THEM IN THE FIELD, AND ALLEGEDLY WHAT I THINK IS INAPPROPRIATE IS TO CALL OUT STAFF. I THINK IT'S OKAY TO SAY I HAD A BAD EXPERIENCE AT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT BECAUSE I WAS MISTREATED. I DON'T WANT THEM NAMING THE INDIVIDUAL I. 
          DOES THIS ALLOW ME TO STOP THEM FROM NAMING THE INDIVIDUAL? I THINK I WOULD RATHER ADD THE WORDS TO CALL OUT INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS AND ONLY ADDRESS YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT THE DEPARTMENT OR THE CITY. I MEAN, IF SOMEONE'S GOT A COMPLAINT, ONE, YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. TWO, IT MAY BE DEFAMATORY. IF IT'S UNTRUE, IT'S DEFAMATORY. YOU WORK WITH WITH MR. ABERNATHY ON THAT LANGUAGE. ABSOLUTELY, SIR. IF I GET UP AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU KNOW AND MY COMMENTS, YOU KNOW, I CALLED THE MAYOR FIVE TIMES AND HE DIDN'T ANSWER. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY DEROGATORY, BUT STILL IT'S STILL CRITICAL IN A WAY THAT I THINK WE WANT TO AVOID. I CAN HANDLE IT. IF I DIDN'T ANSWER AFTER FIVE CALLS, I DESERVE IT. AT THAT POINT. YOU SHOULD HAVE SAID, IF YOU'D HAVE CALLED ME THE SIXTH TIME, I WOULD ANSWER IT. SO I GOT THE SIXTH CALL. YEAH, NO, I UNDERSTAND, BUT THE WHOLE THING IS I DON'T WANT THEM TO GET PERSONAL. I THINK THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE. SO IF THEY'RE ADDRESSING AN ACCOUNT THAT COUNCIL MEMBER OR THE MAYOR, UNFORTUNATELY YOU'RE JUST ONE OF ONE VERSUS THE OTHER. I'D STILL LIKE THEM TO USE YOUR TITLE AND NOT YOUR NAME. OKAY. 
          SO WE CAN, I CAN SO THAT WITH THE SAME KIND OF FLIP IT THE OTHER SIDE AROUND. IF SOMEBODY SAYS, MR. KOONTZ HELPED ME WITH X, LET THEM TALK ALL DAY. BREAK UP THE VOLUME. YEAH. AND BRING BACK THE SPEAKER HE WAS TALKING ABOUT. YEAH. ALRIGHT. JUST JUST ONE RECOMMEND. I MEAN, THIS SAYS DEROGATORY COMMENTS DOESN'T SAY FAVORABLE, RIGHT. YOU KNOW, I THINK SOMETIMES IT DOES HELP WHEN I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO READ ALL THE LANGUAGE, BUT WHEN PEOPLE KNOW THAT WE CAN'T RESPOND, I THINK SOMETIMES. SO MAYBE JUST A QUICK COMMENT ABOUT THE FACT THAT I CAN DO THAT. I ALREADY GENERALLY USUALLY DO, BUT I THINK THIS. BUT GENERALLY WHAT I SEE THEM WITH THEIR TWO MINUTES AND TO AND TO GIVE THEIR NAME AND ADDRESS. BUT I CAN ADD THAT AS A MATTER OF PRACTICE TO ADD THAT PIECE RIGHT THERE AND THEN. YEAH, BECAUSE I DO, I DO SEE THAT WHERE WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT WILL ALMOST LIKE TRY TO BAIT YOU IN A SENSE. AND SO. WELL, HOW COME YOU AREN'T SAYING ANYTHING? OR DO WE'VE HAD THAT HAPPEN. YEAH. AND THAT'S A GOOD THING. I'M NOT ON THE COUNCIL. WHAT WE COULD DO IS, MAYOR, IF YOU DIRECT, IF SOMEONE WANTS SOMETHING OR DON'T GET RESPONSE, JUST SAY ADDRESS THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY MANAGER GOES. I'LL TALK TO THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT OR THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT OR THE POLICE CHIEF OR THE FIRE CHIEF, AND THEY'LL REACH OUT TO YOU. 
          I'VE ACTUALLY WORKED AT CITIES WHERE THAT WAS DONE. THE MAYOR WOULD JUST SAY, WE WILL HAVE. 
          SO IT MAKES US LOOK RESPONSIVE, AND IT GIVES THE A CONTACT TO US. YEAH. OKAY. BASED ON THE DIRECTION I'LL GET WITH BOB ON. YEAH. ENHANCING THE LANGUAGE. TWEAK THE LANGUAGE JUST FOR DECORUM PURPOSES. I MEAN, AND I'M NOT GOING TO I DON'T WANT THE MAYOR OR ANYBODY TO BEAT SOMEONE UP BECAUSE THEY LET A NAME SLIP OUT. THAT'S NOT THE THING. BUT I DON'T NEED SOMEONE GETTING UP AND JUST RAILING ON A CITY EMPLOYEE OR AN INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBER AND HAVE YOU SIT THERE AND GET BEAT UP ABOUT THAT. THAT'S NOT WHAT IT'S REALLY ABOUT. TELL US WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND. HOW WE CAN DO BETTER. WE'VE GOT A PROBLEM. IT'S NOT GETTING RESOLVED. LET THE MANAGER'S OFFICE KNOW ABOUT IT IN PUBLIC. SO THAT KIND OF A SITUATION, IT'D BE APPROPRIATE FOR ME TO TELL THEM THAT. I WOULD RECOMMEND, BECAUSE OF OUR RULES, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU ADDRESS THIS WITH DIRECTLY WITH THE CITY MANAGER. YEAH. WE'LL REFER YOU TO THE MANAGER'S OFFICE. AND THE MANAGER SAYS, YEAH, WE'LL GET WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT. AND IF YOU'LL LEAVE YOUR NUMBER WITH CITY SECRETARY OR IF THE PLANNING, THEY'LL DO THAT AFTER PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTORS THERE. I'VE SEEN SOME CITIES WHERE THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR GETS UP AND TAKES THEIR NAME AND INFORMATION. THEY LEAVE AND GO HOME, AND THEY'VE ACCOMPLISHED THEIR GOAL. WELL, I'VE SEEN I'VE SEEN DIFFERENT STAFF MEMBERS FOLLOW THAT PERSON OUTSIDE TO PROBABLY SAY JUST WHAT YOUR JOB IS TO DIRECT THE MANAGER, AND HE CAN DO THAT. YEAH. OUR JOB IS NOT TO. WELL, I THINK HE'S ALREADY TOLD THEM BECAUSE THEY DO GET UP AND FOLLOW PEOPLE SOMETIMES. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. OKAY. SO I'LL GET WITH BOB. WE'LL MODIFY THAT LANGUAGE AND ADD THAT MORE SPECIFICITY TO IT. OKAY. THE NEXT ONE IS LOOKING AT MEETING FORMAT. SO OUR CURRENT FORMAT 
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THAT WE HAVE IS WE HAVE A WORK SESSION THAT STARTS AT 6 P.M. AND IN THAT MEETING, WE, WE WALK THROUGH AGENDA ITEMS AND THEN WE ALSO DO BRIEFINGS. AND THEN WE DO EXECUTIVE SESSION. 
          AFTER THAT'S DONE, WE ADJOURN THE WORK SESSION, GO OUT TO THE TO THE MAIN CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS, AND THEN DO THE REGULAR MEETING. AND SO I KNOW THE BIG CHALLENGE WE'VE SEEN OVER THE LAST YEAR IS THAT TRYING TO GET ALL THAT SQUEEZED INTO ONE HOUR. AND, YOU KNOW, SO IT WAS KIND OF AS I BRIEFED YOU ALL BACK ON WHEN WE REVIEW THIS ON JUNE 1ST, LIKE, WHAT ARE OTHER CITIES DOING? AND SO THIS IS KIND OF A SURVEY OF WHAT SOME OF OUR BEST SOUTHWEST CITIES ARE DOING. AND, AND ALSO JUST SOME OF OUR CITIES THAT WE'RE VERY SIMILAR TO. AND REALLY WHAT, WHAT I FOUND IS THAT A LOT OF THE CITIES ARE DOING SEPARATE WORK SESSIONS, BUT WHAT THEY'VE DONE IS THEY MAY NOT DO A WORK SESSION AT EVERY MEETING. FOR EXAMPLE, DESOTO, THEY HAVE A SEPARATE MEETING, BUT THEY ONLY DO IT ON THE MONDAY BEFORE THE THIRD TUESDAY CITY COUNCIL MEETING. AND THAT'S VERY SPECIFIC BECAUSE SOMETIMES THAT THAT MONDAY DOESN'T FALL. RIGHT? RIGHT. AT THE SAME TIME. CEDAR HILL DOES IT SEPARATE, BUT THEY DON'T NECESSARILY DO A WORK SESSION AT EVERY MEETING EITHER. AND THEN ALSO LANCASTER DOES A STANDALONE MEETING ON A MONTHLY BASIS. THE REST OF THEIR COUNCIL JUST REGULAR MEETINGS. 
          AND THEN SAME WITH ROWLETT. THEY DO A STANDALONE TWO TIMES A MONTH SEPARATE FROM THEIR REGULAR MEETING. BUT ONE COMMON THEME I DID SEE A LOT OF THESE CITIES IS IF THEY DON'T DO A REGULAR WORK SESSION, THEY STILL KIND OF INCORPORATE BRIEFING PRESENTATIONS INTO THE REGULAR MEETING. AND SO REALLY KIND OF LOOKING AT HOW WE COULD BEST USE OUR TIME. I HAD SOME PROPOSED OPTIONS. AND THEN TALKING WITH COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS, YOU KNOW, WE ALSO LOOKED AT GRAND PRAIRIE HAS KIND OF A UNIQUE MODEL TO THAT WE'LL SHARE WITH Y'ALL. SO THERE'S REALLY KIND OF THREE OPTIONS THAT WE KIND OF PROPOSED TO YOU THAT YOU CAN KEEP THE CURRENT FORMAT AS IS. YOU KNOW, WE JUST MANAGE AS WE GO. YOU COULD ALSO CONSIDER KEEPING YOUR CURRENT FORMAT, BUT JUST DOING IT ALL IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS. THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT THAT DISCONNECT BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WAITING IN THERE AND, AND, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES I KNOW SOME PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHERE THE SPECIFIC START IS. IT'S JUST ALL DONE IN ONE PLACE. OR YOU COULD CONSIDER JUST INCORPORATING BRIEFINGS INTO THE REGULAR COUNCIL AGENDA AND THEN HAVE SPECIAL WORKSHOPS WHERE NEEDED. I'LL JUST QUICKLY RUN THROUGH IT. THIS IS OUR CURRENT EXISTING FORMAT RIGHT NOW BASED ON WHAT THE RULES SAY. SO YOU HAVE YOUR WORK SESSION BRIEFING AT 6 P.M. AND ACTUALLY, EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T DO THIS ON A REGULAR BASIS, THERE IS YOU CAN ALSO DISCUSS APPOINTMENTS AND DISMISSAL OF EXISTING BOARD MEMBERS. YOU CAN ALSO DISCUSS ELIMINATION CREATION OR COMBINATION OF BOARDS. THAT'S IN THE RULES AS WE SEE TODAY. 
          AND THEN WE DISCUSS AGENDA ITEMS. WE DO THAT WITH THE CONSENT, AND THEN WE DO THOSE BRIEFINGS AND PRESENTATIONS, AND THEN WE DO EXECUTIVE SESSION. AND THEN AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'VE GOT OUR REGULAR REGULAR ORDER THERE. AND OPTION TWO, AGAIN, VERY SIMILAR. BUT AGAIN, IT WOULD BE IT WOULD BE ALL IN THE SAME PLACE. THE OPTION THREE WOULD BE PROPOSED. 
          THE NEW FORMAT IS OR PROPOSED FORMAT WOULD BE. YOU GO AHEAD AND START IN THE REGULAR CHAMBER AT 6 P.M. YOU DO YOUR CALL TO ORDER. YOU DO YOUR INVOCATION, YOUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, AND THEN YOU HAVE YOUR REPORTS. YOU HAVE YOUR MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL REPORTS AND THE CITY MANAGER REPORT. YOU DO YOUR PRESENTATION, THE PROBLEM PROCLAMATIONS, YOUR CITIZEN INPUT CONSENT AGENDA, AND THEN ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. YOU DIFFERENTIATING BETWEEN DOING YOUR PUBLIC HEARINGS FIRST, BECAUSE USUALLY THE ZONING CASES GET THOSE IN. YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE COME FOR THOSE, GET THAT KNOCKED OUT, THEN DO YOUR REGULAR ACTION ITEMS, AND THEN YOU CAN DO YOUR BRIEFING STAFF REPORTS AND EXECUTIVE MEMORANDUMS AT THAT TIME. OR YOU COULD DO THAT AT THE BEGINNING. I MAKE THAT NOTE. 
          AND WHAT I MEAN BY EXECUTIVE MEMORANDUMS, I THINK THERE'S SOMETIMES SOME ITEMS THAT WE WANT TO BRIEF YOU AND THE PUBLIC ON THAT MAY NOT NECESSARILY NEED TO BE A BRIEFING, BUT IT'S JUST A GENERAL OF SOME INITIATIVE GOING ON OR SOME KIND OF UPDATE. 
          A GREAT EXAMPLE RECENTLY THAT WE BRIEFED YOU ALL ON THE DART. YOU KNOW, HOW DART'S TRYING TO DO A REGIONAL SUMMIT, MAYBE NOT NECESSARILY BRIEFING, BUT IT'S POSTED. THE PUBLIC SEES IT. AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE CAN ANSWER THEM AT THAT TIME. SO THE EXECUTIVE MEMORANDUMS MAY BE ANOTHER OPTION WHERE WE CAN COMMUNICATE INFORMATION TO YOU AND THE PUBLIC WITHOUT HAVING AN ACTUAL BRIEFING. AND THEN YOU CAN HAVE EXECUTIVE SESSION AT THE END. AND THAT WAY YOU JUST KIND OF GET THROUGH YOUR BUSINESS AND THE EXECUTIVE SESSIONS AT THE END. 
          AND AGAIN, LIKE I WAS SAYING, YOU CAN EITHER HAVE THESE BRIEFING STAFF REPORTS AND EXECUTIVE ROOMS AT THE END, OR YOU COULD DO IT AT THE BEGINNING. BUT THAT'S JUST KIND OF GENERAL AN IDEA OF MAYBE TO KIND OF STREAMLINE THE PROCESS. AND THEN AGAIN, IF YOU NEED A WORKSHOP, YOU CAN HAVE THAT AT A DIFFERENT DATE. AND THEN THE GRAND PRAIRIE FORMAT THAT COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS AND I WERE DISCUSSING, THEY DO IT ALL IN THE SAME LOCATION AND THEIR CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS. THEY DO MEET A LOT EARLIER THAN US, BUT THEY DO START AT 4:30 P.M. THEY CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. THEY DO STAFF PRESENTATIONS. THEY REVIEW THE AGENDA. THEY GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION, THEY RECESS AND THEN RECONVENE AT 630. AND THEY IT'S INTERESTING. THEY DO TWO SEPARATE SET OF COMMENTS. THEY DO PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA ONLY THEY DO THEIR CONSENT AGENDA. THEN THEY DO CITIZEN COMMENTS WHERE ANYBODY CAN COME AND SPEAK ON 
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ANY ITEM THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, AND THEY GET UP TO THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DO. AND THEN THEY HAVE ITEM ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION, THEIR PUBLIC HEARING AND ZONING APPLICATIONS AND ADJOURNMENT. SO REALLY IT THERE ARE JUST SOME DIFFERENT IDEAS TO CONSIDER. DOESN'T NECESSARILY NEED TO DO IT. WE CAN KEEP IT AS IS, JUST LOOKING FOR WAYS TO KIND OF HELP THE NIGHT KIND OF BE A LITTLE MORE EFFICIENT AND ALSO NOT, NOT BE IN A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE PRESSED FOR TIME TO, YOU KNOW, GET THIS WORK SESSION DONE SO WE CAN GET OUT THERE. BUT THAT'S THE REASON WHY THIS OPTION THREE WAS SOMETHING THAT STAFF IS CONSIDERING THAT YOU MAY CONSIDER JUST KIND OF DOING A, A COMBINED VERSION. SO REALLY I'M OPEN FOR QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT. WELL, I'M GOING TO START BY SAYING THAT I'M NOT I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH MAKING A CHANGE BEFORE WE BRING ON A NEW CITY MANAGER. SURE. AND THEN SECONDLY, A LOT OF THE REASONS WHY OUR OUR BRIEFINGS GO ON IS BECAUSE WE HAVE TOO MANY BRIEFINGS. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WE GET SO MANY ALL AT ONE TIME. SOME OF THEM ARE IMPORTANT BUSINESS THAT WE NEED TO HEAR ABOUT, BUT WE HAVE. 
          THAT'S WHY I'VE BEEN. BOB'S NOT HERE, BUT I'VE BEEN A LITTLE DRACONIAN ON THE. THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT THAT IS TAKEN ON EACH BRIEFING, GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF BUSINESS WE HAVE TO ATTEND TO AT THE BEGINNING OF THE WORK SESSION AND THEN GOING INTO ALL THE BRIEFINGS, AND IF SOMEBODY RUNS OVER, IF THEY'RE GOING TO RUN OVER WITH QUESTIONS AND CERTAIN ITEMS ARE GOING TO GENERATE A LOT OF QUESTIONS. WHEN THAT HAPPENS, I TEND NOT TO LOOK AT THE CLOCK AS MUCH. I THINK, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO RUN OVER, BUT AS BEST I CAN, I FEEL AN OBLIGATION TO GET OUT THERE. 
          AND TO THOSE PEOPLE THAT WE PROMISED SITTING OUT THERE, AND WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF PEOPLE THAT WERE THERE TO DO OUR INVOCATIONS, BUT THEY'VE HAD TO LEAVE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T GET OUT THERE TILL QUARTER AFTER OR WHATEVER. SO I TRY TO MANAGE IT IN HERE, BUT I THINK MY FOCUS IS MORE ON. MANAGING THE AMOUNT OF BRIEFINGS WE GET IN A WAY THAT DOESN'T COST, CAUSE US TO HAVE TO RUN OVER BECAUSE WE HAVE FIVE BRIEFINGS INSTEAD OF THREE. SO THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK THAT COULD BE WORKED ON THE MANAGEMENT SIDE. NOT, NOT NOT LEFT UP TO US TO MOVE OUR MEETINGS OUT THERE. AND I WILL REMIND YOU, AND I SAY THIS HALF IN JEST, BUT THIS GROUP, IF YOU HAVEN'T NOTICED, THEY LIKE TO EAT RIGHT. AND SO WE WOULDN'T BE IN A SITUATION IF WE DID EVERYTHING OUT THERE FOR THEM TO, BECAUSE SOMETIMES. AFTER THE MEETING, IF WE COME BACK HERE FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION, WE'RE IN HERE FOR A LONG TIME SOMETIMES WITH THOSE EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEMS. AND THAT'S WHEN IF THERE'S MEALS HERE WHERE PEOPLE PARTAKE IN THE MEALS, I HATE TO TAKE THAT AWAY. IT'S A TIME WHERE WE CAN ALL RELAX AND TALK AND GET OUR BUSINESS DONE. 
          THAT'S JUST ME TALKING. THERE'S PROBABLY SOME THINGS UP HERE THAT WOULD HELP US, SO I DON'T WANT TO THROW THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATHWATER HERE, SO I'LL LET MR. DAVIS. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. 
          I AGREE WITH YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT THE AGENDA MANAGEMENT AND THE BRIEFING MANAGEMENT ASPECT OF SOME OF OUR AGENDAS. I THINK THAT WE WE GET WE GET BOGGED DOWN, I DON'T KNOW, AND WE VISITED ON THIS MR. CITY MANAGER SOME TIME AGO, AND I'VE JUST HAD SOME NEW OBSERVATIONS AND REALIZATIONS. I DON'T KNOW THAT STARTING AT 430 WOULD HELP US DEAL WITH. I THINK THAT WHERE WE WHERE WE HAVE OUR CHALLENGES IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, GETTING THROUGH OUR BRIEFINGS IN AN EXPEDITIOUS WAY, IT JUST MEANS THAT WE WOULD DO IT ALL OUT. WE WOULD BE ALL OUT TOGETHER AND PEOPLE WOULD HAVE MORE COMFORTABLE CHAIRS TO, TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT. I'M WONDERING IF AND WHEN WE LOOK AT HOW TO MANAGE OUR BRIEFINGS, THERE AN OPTION, YOU KNOW, IF IF I'M IN FAVOR OF IF FOR SOME REASON WE CAN'T GET OUR NUMBER OF BRIEFINGS DOWN TO WHERE WE CAN GET OUT IN A TIMELY FASHION, I'M INTERESTED IN HAVING THE CONVERSATION LIKE, WELL, DO WE NEED TO HAVE A ONCE A MONTH BRIEFING TO GO OVER THOSE THINGS IN ORDER TO BE READY, AS THEY ARE FORECASTED IN COMING FORWARD, AS OPPOSED TO BECAUSE WHERE WE'RE STUCK IS IN THE BRIEFINGS. YEAH. AND I WILL SAY ONE THING, I THINK THAT KIND OF DRIVES THE AMOUNT OF WE DO HAVE AN INTERNAL MATRIX. WE DO OUR BEST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT LOADING ALL UP. I THINK ONE OF THE CHALLENGES, I THINK THAT SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE CARRIED OVER IN THE PREVIOUS, WE KIND OF DONE THIS, WHAT'S CALLED THE TWO STEP PROCESS. SO WE BRIEF YOU GUYS ON ITEMS BEFORE WE'RE GOING TO BRING IT FOR YOUR FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND USUALLY KIND OF TOPICS THAT WOULD BE WORTHY OF DISCUSSION. BUT MAYBE WE COULD ALSO LOOK AT THAT A LITTLE BIT AND FIGURE OUT LIKE, WHAT'S WHAT'S BREATHABLE? LIKE, WHAT ARE YOU GUYS COMFORTABLE WITH? LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, MARK AND I HAVE AN ITEM COMING UP TO PRESENT AN AWARD OF A CONTRACT FOR DOING OUR CODE UPDATE. DO 
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WE REALLY NEED TO BRIEF YOU GUYS ON THAT? OR IS THAT SOMETHING YOU GUYS HAVE ALREADY BEEN ASKING FOR US TO DO? WE JUST BRING IT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND NEXT AGENDA. 
          SO KIND OF LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT DOES DRIVE SOME OF IT IS THAT TRYING TO KIND OF FOLLOW THAT TWO STEP PROCESS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE BRIEFING YOU GUYS ON ITEMS BEFORE WE BRING THEM FOR Y'ALL'S CONSIDERATION. BUT IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT INTERNALLY ON MANAGEMENT OF THAT. BUT, YOU KNOW, ALSO, WHAT ARE YOU GUYS COMFORTABLE WITH? YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD SOME GOOD LUCK WHERE WE HAVE, FOR GOOD REASON, STARTED OUR MEETINGS EARLIER. BUT THEN I DID HEAR AFTER WE HAD SEEMED LIKE WE HAD A. PRETTY, PRETTY GOOD RISE IN THE NUMBER OF THOSE THAT WE HAD. WE STARTED EARLIER. AND I GOT COMMENTS FROM FROM THE WORKING FOLKS. GLAD AND, AND I UNDERSTOOD THAT I UNDERSTOOD THAT. SO BUT THAT THAT DOES BENEFIT US SOMETIMES, BUT I DON'T WANT TO PUT THAT ON THE COUNCIL. IF THE MAJORITY FEEL THAT THAT'S A BURDEN WITH YOUR WITH YOUR WORK RESPONSIBILITIES OR YOUR FAMILY RESPONSIBILITIES OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, WHATEVER IT MAY TAKE AWAY FROM YOU. IF THE COUNCIL IN GENERAL DOESN'T WANT TO DO EARLIER STARTS ON ANY REGULAR BASIS. 
          LET'S BE CLEAR ON THAT. AND I'M SEEING HEADS NODDING. MOST OF YOU WANT TO STAY AWAY FROM THAT. 
          IF IT'S A IF IT'S AVOIDABLE FROM EARLY STARTS, I DO. I DON'T MIND IT ONCE A MONTH OR SO IT SEEMS TO MOVE THINGS ALONG. IT DOES ALSO TYPICALLY I FEEL LIKE GET OUT EARLIER. IT MAKES THE FOOD PART OF IT A LITTLE BIT MORE IMPORTANT IF WE DO THAT. BUT I'M ALSO IN FAVOR OF WAITING UNTIL A NEW MANAGER COMES IN TO MAKE ANY CALLS ON THIS, GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET THEIR FEET WET, AND THAT'S GOOD. IF THERE'S ITEMS THAT ARE PERTINENT THAT WE REALLY NEED TO TALK ABOUT AND DISCUSS, AND WE HAVE EXECUTIVE SESSIONS THAT WE HAVE TO DO BECAUSE OF TIMELINE. I DON'T MIND STARTING EARLY THEN, BUT I DON'T WANT TO CONTINUOUSLY START EARLY. SO IF IT'S REQUIRED AND NEEDED AND NECESSARY, YES, I'M OPEN TO STARTING EARLY. OUR CURRENT PRACTICE, WHICH IS OUR CURRENT PRACTICE. ALSO, I WANT TO ALSO TALK ABOUT THE BRIEFINGS, I THINK. SO WHEN WE COMPILE FOR HEAVY LOADED TOPIC BRIEFINGS TOGETHER, IT DOES PUT US AT A DISADVANTAGE IN BEING ABLE TO GET OUT SOONER. SO IF WE COULD FIND A WAY, BECAUSE I'M PART OF ANOTHER MUNICIPALITY, THERE ARE SOME THINGS WE KNOW ARE GOING TO COME DOWN THE PIKE LATER IN THE FUTURE. SO WE CAN SORT OF WE CAN START PLANNING FOR THAT AHEAD OF TIME AND START PREPARING OUR BRIEFING AND GET IT ON TO A CERTAIN DATE WHERE IT'S ACCOMMODATING FOR THE COUNCIL. IF WE COULD FIND A WAY TO ■BETTER MANAGE THE SUBJECT MATTER AND THE TIME FRAME OF THE BRIEFINGS WHERE WE'RE NOT HAVING HEAVY ITEMS ALL BACK TO BACK AND HAVE LIKE ONE THAT'S GOING TO TAKE A MINUTE OR TWO, AND THEN YOU MAY HAVE ONE THAT TAKE A LITTLE LONGER, THEN DON'T ADD OTHER ONES TO THAT SAME BRIEFING, BECAUSE AT SOME POINT IN TIME, I'M GOING TO SPEAK FOR ME. MY ATTENTION SPAN STARTS TO KIND OF DISSIPATE A LITTLE BIT. AND I WANT TO BE ABLE TO BE AS COGNIZANT AND PRESENT AS POSSIBLE. SO THAT WAY I CAN LEARN WHAT'S WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON. WHAT WOULD IT HELP US IF WE, LET'S SAY WE GOT A, A PRE LOOK AT WHATEVER THAT BRIEFING IS THAT WE GOT MAYBE A COPY OF THE PRESENTATION EARLIER SO THAT YOU MAY PREPARE YOUR QUESTIONS. AND WE DON'T HAVE TO SIT THROUGH THE ENTIRE PRESENTATION. MAYBE THEY COULD DO A, A TRIMMED DOWN VERSION OF THE PRESENTATION, AND YOU'D ALREADY HAVE YOUR QUESTIONS SUBMITTED AND MAY PRESENT THE ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS DURING THE SUMMER. OR IF YOU NEED TO HAVE A ONE OFF WITH THE MANAGER ON A PARTICULAR ITEM. I THINK THAT GIVES WAY. BUT I'M SORRY, DON, IT'S FOOD FOR THOUGHT. WELL, YES. NO, I MEAN, I WE HAVE A PROCESS THAT COULD BE IMPROVED. AND I THINK OVERALL WE'RE DOING GOOD. 
          THERE'S GOING TO BE TIMES IN THE SEASON WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE HEAVIER AND. TO TO EVERYBODY IS WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT YEAH, WE'D LIKE IT, ESPECIALLY THE EARLY STARTS AT THE. THE EXCEPTION TO THE RULE THAT WOULD ALLOW. STAFF. HEARD THAT TOO. YEAH. JUST AND AND I'M SORRY. ANOTHER THING BEFORE WE LEAVE THAT THOUGHT IS IN MAKING SURE THAT WHEN WE HAVE SPECIAL CALL MEETINGS, THEY'RE REALLY SPECIAL. YEAH. SO WE'LL COME UP WITH A DEFINITION. YEAH. THAT AND THEN ALSO. YEAH. SO I AGREE WITH DON. I THINK GENERALLY ESPECIALLY, I'LL JUST SAY WHEN 
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I FIRST GOT INVOLVED IN ALL THIS, I THINK OUR PROCESS IS MUCH IMPROVED COMPARED TO HOW THINGS USED TO BE. AND IT HAS BEEN IMPROVING. I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO FIND AREAS OF IMPROVEMENT, BUT I, I THINK I THINK OUR CURRENT PRACTICE IS MORE OR LESS ARE WORKING WELL. I, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES I MAKE IT FROM LANCASTER AND LIGHT SPEED AND PROBABLY YOU MAY HAVE HAD A COUPLE OF DUNCANVILLE POLICE CARS CHASING AFTER ME GETTING HERE, BUT, YOU KNOW, EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, I MEAN, YEAH, YEAH, THERE YOU GO. I MEAN, BUT, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON WHAT TRAFFIC LOOKS LIKE ON 20. BUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T MIND, YOU KNOW, THE OCCASIONAL IF IT'S NEEDED, WE'LL MAKE IT HAPPEN. BUT I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE IT. WE KNOW TIM PRACTICE. YEAH. WE. YEAH. DON'T MAKE IT A REGULAR PRACTICE. I DID WANT TO COMMENT ALSO JUST ON THE THE TEXAS TWO STEP OR WHAT YOU CALL IT TWO STEP PROCESS. YEAH. I YEAH, I THINK SINCE THAT'S BEEN IMPLEMENTED, I MEAN, I'VE NOTICED, I BELIEVE THAT'S BEEN WORKING WELL, I THINK SO, YEAH, I'M GLAD THAT WE DID IMPLEMENT THAT. I THINK GENERALLY IT'S GOING PRETTY WELL. I, YOU KNOW, JUST CITY ATTORNEY SAID, YOU KNOW, JUST A LITTLE WHILE AGO, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THIS I KNOW I SIGNED UP FOR AND WE HAVE ALL ABOUT IMPROVING PROCESSES FOR SURE. BUT I THINK A LOT OF THE TIME AND THE WORK IS JUST GOING TO BE INEVITABLE. YOU KNOW, AS MUCH AS WE TRY TO IMPROVE THE PROCESS. YOU KNOW, MAYOR, I THINK SINCE YOU'VE BEEN IN THAT SEAT, I'VE SEEN THE MEETINGS GO A LOT SMOOTHER. AND SO A LOT OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH, YOU KNOW, WHO'S SITTING RIGHT THERE, I THINK, AND JUST MAKING SURE WE'RE MOVING ALONG. AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT PLAYS A BIGGER ROLE THAN THAN JUST ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE. AND SO, AND THEN YEAH. 430 START TIME REGULAR, NOT GOING TO HAPPEN UNLESS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GRAND PRAIRIE, RIGHT? THAT DOES THAT. HOW MUCH DO THEY GET FOR A CYCLE LIKE $200 A MONTH. OKAY. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IF IT COMES WITH A RAISE. YEAH. BUT OTHERWISE YOU PAY YOUR SPEEDING TICKETS. I MEAN, YOUR ESCORT FEES. YES. OKAY. ANY OTHER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS. YEAH. 
          I JUST HAD ONE LAST ITEM AND THEN WE'RE DONE. SO THERE'S ANOTHER SECTION IN YOUR RULE. 
          THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S KIND OF COME A STAFF AND I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT IT TOO. SO YOU DO HAVE A SECTION IN YOUR RULES WHERE ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE MAYOR, MAY SERVE AS A LIAISON TO A BOARD AND COMMISSION. AND IT'S BASICALLY FOR A PERIOD OF ONE YEAR. AND I THINK COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, AS WELL AS ARTS COMMISSION. I THINK CASPER HAS BEEN THE LIAISON THERE. BUT, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT STAFF, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF THERE'S POSSIBILITY OF MAYBE GETTING ANOTHER LIAISON FOR BOARDS. I KNOW DC, DC, I THINK MAYOR PRO TEM PENNEBAKER WAS THE LIAISON FOR A WHILE. BUT TALKING WITH THE DC BOARD, I THINK THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE MAYBE ANOTHER COUNCIL LIAISON THAT COULD KIND OF BE AT THOSE MEETINGS AND JUST KEEP THAT THAT COLLABORATION AND LIBRARY BOARD AND YOUR LIBRARY BOARD. YES, YES. SO THERE'S SOME OUT THERE, BUT KEEP ALWAYS KEEP. DUNCAN. BEAUTIFUL. YEAH, YEAH. BUT THE DC, DC WAS THE ONE WE WANTED TO SEE IF WE COULD BRING THAT BACK FOR DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION. THE UPCOMING MEETING THAT THERE WAS SOME, THERE WAS SOME DESIRE BY THE BOARD TO TO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE. IT WAS MAYOR PRO TEM AND WE CAN CONTINUE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF Y'ALL WANT TO DO THAT. BUT I THINK THEY WERE THEY WERE WANTING TO SEE IF THEY COULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, A, A REP LIAISON FOR THAT BOARD. OKAY. I TAKE THAT AS A NO. I JUST HEY, I'D ASK HOW OFTEN THAT ALLOW ME, MISTER MANAGER, HOW OFTEN DOES DC, DC MEET? ONCE A MONTH, ONCE A MONTH. THE FOURTH MONDAY OF THE MONTH. FOURTH MONDAY. I WOULDN'T MIND GIVING THAT MEETS QUARTERLY IF WE JUST NEEDED THOSE TWO KIND OF GO TOGETHER. I DON'T MIND OKAY, DOING THAT. IT DOESN'T IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY. YOU CAN BRING THAT BACK SINCE MR. PENNYPACKER. OKAY. THANK YOU. WELL, IN CONCLUSION, WE'LL BRING BACK THOSE OTHER CHANGES FOR YOU. ALL THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, THERE'S ALSO A LITTLE BIT OF CLEANUP WE GOT TO DO WITH THE HOME, THE THE CHARTER, VERY MINOR. AND THEN ALSO WE NEED TO REPLACE THE NEW MISSION VISION AND PILLARS. THAT'S THE OLD ONES ARE IN THERE. WE'LL BRING THAT BACK. I SAY OCTOBER 20TH, BUT IT MAY BE MORE NOVEMBER 2ND. BUT ANYWAY, OTHER THAN THAT, WE'LL WE'LL CONTINUE ON. SO THAT CONCLUDES IT. OKAY. AND I STATED THIS EARLIER, BUT FOR THE RECORD, I HAD ASKED 
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THAT ITEM BE PLACED ON HERE, BUT GIVEN THE FEELINGS OF THE INTERIM POLICE CHIEF ON THIS ISSUE, THERE'S A FEELING TO COLLECT MORE DATA RELATIVE TO THESE NUISANCE CALLS THEY GET ON THIS SUBJECT. SO I'M I'VE ASKED THAT THIS BE PULLED. SO WITH THAT. THERE WAS NO ACTION 
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TO BE TAKEN AS A RESULT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION. SO WE ARE
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