ON THAT? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WELL IT IS 6:00, SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED 
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WITH OUR WORK SESSION FOR TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 15TH, 2026 AND DISCUSS AGENDA ITEMS. YES. 
          GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. YES. JUST AS MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THE CONSENT AGENDA IS QUITE LARGE. I DID HAVE TWO HOUSEKEEPING NOTES, ITEM SEVEN, C AND D. WE RECEIVED QUESTION ON THIS ONE. WE ARE REQUIRED TO RAISE THE RATES FOR OUR TRASH SERVICE AS WELL AS OUR DISPOSAL. 
          BUT WE AREN'T PASSING THAT RATE ON TO THE RESIDENTS. AND THEN JUST ANOTHER HOUSEKEEPING ITEM, INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. THERE'S SEVERAL ITEMS ON THE BUDGET THAT ARE REQUIRED TO BE ADOPTED INDIVIDUALLY, BUT FOR PRESENTATION PURPOSES, IT'LL ALL BE ONE PRESENTATION TO WALK THROUGH IT. OTHER THAN THAT, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, STAFF IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE CONSENT AGENDA. AND ONE OTHER THING TO ITEM SEVEN N HAS BEEN REQUESTED. 
          BE PULLED FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION PER COUNCIL RECORDS. OKAY. YES, MA'AM. ITEM SEVEN I EXCEEDED ORIGINAL PLAN. COULD WE HAVE AN UPDATE ON HOW DID WE ADDRESS THE EXCEED? WHAT THE APPROVED AMOUNT WAS? THE SEVEN I ON THE DUNCANVILLE COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC CORPORATION AND CORPORATION. ANY MORE SUPPLY? YES. MARLIN IS MARLIN, YOU'RE PRESENTING NOW? YES. OH, MARCELLUS. OKAY. YES. AS FAR YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE THE NEW AMOUNT. SO THE AMENDMENT IS REVISING TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF THE INCENTIVE TO MORE SUPPLY CORPORATION. AND THAT'S WHAT THE EDC, IF I READ CORRECTLY, THERE WERE SOME PLANS THAT WERE AGREED UPON. AND THEN IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY, SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED ALONG THE WAY. SO WAS THERE ANYTHING THAT CONTRIBUTED TO THE INCREASE? I'M IN SUPPORT OF IT, YES, BECAUSE THERE MORE SUPPLY AND THEY ARE WHAT, OUR FIFTH LARGEST TOP FIVE. YES, ABSOLUTELY. SO WHAT THAT MEANT IS JUST THAT THEY WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND. THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT THEY MADE, MORE MONEY THAT WAS SPENT. AND SO THAT INVESTMENT THAT WAS NOTED, JUST TO SHOW PROOF AGAIN AS TO WHY IT WOULD MERIT THE EDC TO INCREASE THEIR INCENTIVE AMOUNT. OKAY. THANK YOU, MAYOR. ALONG THE SAME LINE, WHAT KIND OF RETURN ON INVESTMENT ARE WE GETTING? SO WHAT THIS PHASE THREE, THAT WAS THE KIND OF THE DRIVING FACTOR BEHIND INCREASING THE INCENTIVE THEY ARE BUILDING OUT. INSTEAD OF JUST RENOVATING, THEY'RE ACTUALLY BUILDING OUT A BRAND NEW RETAIL SHOWROOM THAT WILL BE ON THE SERVICE ROAD. AND THAT'S GOING TO GENERATE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF SALES IN SALES TAX. THANK YOU. AND MAYOR, FORGIVE ME. WILL YOU REPEAT AGAIN? BECAUSE WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT THE RATES, I, I WANT THAT SAID ALMOST ALL THE TIME. OKAY. 
          YES. ITEM SEVEN C WHICH IS INCREASING OUR, OUR, OUR TRASH RATES FOR PUBLIC SERVICES. AND THEN ITEM SEVEN D IS INCREASING OUR SOLID WASTE DISPOSAL COSTS, BUT WE ARE NOT PASSING THOSE RATE INCREASES ONTO THE RESIDENTS. WE'RE ABLE TO OFFSET THAT. AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING THROUGH A PROCUREMENT TO SELECT A NEW SOLID WASTE COMPANY NEXT YEAR. WE WERE ABLE TO OFFSET THOSE COSTS AND THOSE RATES, THOSE RATE INCREASES WILL NOT BE PASSED ON TO RESIDENTS. MAY I HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION FOR ITEM SEVEN? OH. PREVENTING IT WAS FOR THE MGO. YES. SO I SEE THAT WE HAVE THE MODULE OF THE RENTAL FOR SHORT TERM RENTAL. BUT WHAT IS PREVENTING PREVENTING US FROM COLLECTING THE FEES? BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE THE MODULE IN PLACE, ACCORDING TO THE STAFF REPORT. ARE YOU REFERRING TO FEES FOR RENTAL OR HEALTH? YES. SO THE RENTAL MODULE IS EXPECTED TO GO LIVE IN OCTOBER. SO IT'S NOT LIVE RIGHT NOW. THEY'RE WORKING ON IT AND IT'S EXPECTED TO GO LIVE IN OCTOBER. OKAY. SO WE JUST WE HAVE IT. IT'S JUST NOT LIVE. AND SO IN OCTOBER, WHEN IT GOES LIVE. CORRECT. THEN WE CAN EXPECT TO BE ABLE TO RECOUP RECOUP SOME FEES FROM YES FROM CR. AND WE ARE BRIEFING ON THAT A LITTLE BIT TONIGHT ON THAT NGO UPDATE. THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE CONSENT ITEMS? AND AS A REMINDER. WE ARE PULLING. ITEM IN SET 7N7N FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. SO THAT WILL BE PUT IN. WE'LL DROP THAT ONE IN AS M. YEAH I GUESS YOU COULD 
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ALSO TAKE IT. YEAH. OKAY. THAT'LL BE THE LAST ITEM ON THE INDIVIDUAL ITEMS FOR CONSIDERATION. IT'LL BE BECOME EIGHT. OH OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. NOW MOVING TO ITEM TWO, COUNCIL CALENDAR CITY SECRETARY, IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, I'LL JUST POINT OUT A FEW ITEMS ON THE 21ST IS THE FIRST KICKOFF MEETING FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IMPLEMENTATION COMMITTEE. 
          THE 22ND IS THE BOARD AND COMMISSION INTERVIEWS, AND THE 29TH IS A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING. AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE ON THE CALENDAR, THEN LET ME KNOW. YES, SIR. I MEAN, WE'VE WE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE SPECIAL CALLED MEETING ON THE 29TH. AND, YOU KNOW, WHETHER OR NOT WE YOU WANTED TO CONSIDER ADDING ADDITIONAL ITEMS, KIND OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, TRADITIONAL BUSINESS ITEMS OR IF YOU WANT TO JUST KEEP THAT LIMITED ONLY TO, YOU KNOW, THE TOPICS THAT WE DISCUSSED LAST TIME, WHICH WAS, YOU KNOW, FACILITY NAMING GROUP HOMES. YEAH. MY BIGGEST CONCERN AND THE REASON I MADE MY COMMENTS WAS I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO GET US SO OVERLOADED THAT WE EXTENDED THE AMOUNT OF TIME WE'RE HAVING TO SPEND ON THAT SPECIAL MEETING FOR, FOR COUNCIL AND STAFF. SO UNLESS IT'S ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL, IF ANYBODY'S GOT ANYTHING ELSE THEY WOULD WANT TO ADD, NOW'S THE TIME TO SPEAK UP. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOOD. WHERE ARE WE AT? OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. NOW MOVING TO ITEM THREE. A RECEIVE A BRIEFING ON NEW CITY OF DUNCANVILLE EMPLOYEE HANDBOOK. 
          GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL AND THE REST OF THE TEAM. MY NAME IS ASHLEY JACOBS. 
          I'M THE DIRECTOR OF HR. AND LIKE CHIQUITA SAID, IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, THIS SHOULD BE PRETTY QUICK, BUT WE JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE A BRIEFING AND UPDATE TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW THAT WE ARE JUST REVIEWING OUR CURRENT EMPLOYEE HANDBOOK, WHICH IS INCLUSIVE OF ALL OF OUR CITY POLICIES THAT EMPLOYEES FOLLOW. IT HASN'T BEEN REVISED SINCE 2020. IT HAS BEEN REVIEWED OVER THE YEARS, BUT NO MAJOR CHANGES SINCE 2020. SO WE FIGURED IT WAS TIME TO LOOK THROUGH THERE, MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING ALL THOSE POLICIES, GUIDELINES, MAKING UPDATES AS NECESSARY. WE HAVE CURRENTLY OUR EMPLOYEE HANDBOOK HAS ALL OF OUR CITY POLICIES WITHIN IT. WE HAVE SEPARATED THAT OUT AND PROVIDED A COPY TO YOU GUYS OF JUST A DRAFT EMPLOYEE HANDBOOK THAT HAS LIKE, HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF ALL OF OUR CITY POLICIES. AND THEN FROM THERE, WE'LL TAKE EACH CITY POLICY, REVIEW IT, AND MAKE UPDATES AS NECESSARY. BUT WHAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKETS ARE IS JUST THE DRAFT HANDBOOK THAT'S NEW THAT WE CREATED IN HR. SOME OF THE MAJOR UPDATES WE HIGHLIGHTED IN RED, JUST SO YOU CAN LOOK AT IT QUICKLY, WE HAVE IMPLEMENTED CERTAIN THINGS ON THE EMPLOYEE EXPERIENCE SIDE, AS WELL AS OUR LEAVE OF ABSENCE, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT HAVING THE COLA THIS YEAR OR THIS UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR. WE DECIDED THAT IT WOULD BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO STILL GIVE OUR EMPLOYEES SOME TYPE OF CHANGE, POSITIVE CHANGE IN THE ORGANIZATION, AND IT ALSO KEEP US MARKETABLE. THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT CITY AND OTHER ENTITIES THAT IMPLEMENT A LOT OF THESE LEAVES OF ABSENCES. SO WE CHANGED OURS UP JUST A LITTLE BIT. ON THE EMPLOYEE EXPERIENCE SIDE, WE'VE ADDED AN ENGAGEMENT COMMITTEE, AN EMPLOYEE SAFETY COMMITTEE. WE'VE RAMPED UP OUR WELLNESS COMMITTEE. AND THEN, AS YOU GUYS KNOW, WE ALSO IMPLEMENTED THE EVERYDAY CHAMPION RECOGNITION PROGRAM. AND WE'RE WORKING THROUGH CONTINUED UPDATES THERE. AND THEN ON THE LEAVE OF ABSENCE SIDE, WE PULLED WE HAVE CURRENTLY AN EMERGENCY LEAVE BANK, AS WELL AS A BIRTHDAY HOLIDAY AND A VACATION BONUS VACATION LEAVE BANK. AND WE'VE KIND OF TAKEN THOSE HOURS AND REDISTRIBUTED THEM SO THAT EMPLOYEES WILL HAVE DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES FOR ADDITIONAL LEAVE BALANCES DEPENDING ON WHAT THEY NEED. SO WE HAVE BEREAVEMENT LEAVE THAT WE'RE IMPLEMENTING. WE'VE CHANGED THE BIRTHDAY HOLIDAY, JUST KIND OF HOW IT'S ROLLED OUT. WE'VE ADDED MENTAL HEALTH 
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LEAVE, WE'VE ADDED PERSONAL LEAVE, AND THEN WE'VE ALSO ADDED A DAY TO VOLUNTEER. AND SO OUR HOPE IS THAT EMPLOYEES WILL GET CLEARER EXPECTATIONS AND RESPONSIBILITIES, EASIER ACCESS TO EMPLOYMENT INFORMATION WITH THAT HANDBOOK OVERVIEW. AND THE CITY WILL ALSO HAVE IMPROVED ALIGNMENT WITH LEGAL REQUIREMENTS. WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE CONSISTENT IN ALL OF OUR ADMINISTRATIVE PRACTICES, AND HOPEFULLY IT KEEPS US SUSTAINABLE THROUGHOUT THE FUTURE. ANY QUESTIONS? YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. YES, MA'AM. SO AFTER REVIEWING, I HAVE A QUESTION. OVERTIME WAS THE OVERTIME ACROSS THE BOARD THAT WHAT PAGE WAS IT ON. IS THAT FOR ALL EMPLOYEES. THAT INCLUDES THE UNIFORM EMPLOYEES AS WELL. OR IS THERE OVERTIME CALCULATED DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE IT WASN'T MENTIONED IN THE OVERTIME. SO WE HAVE TO REVIEW THE OVERTIME POLICY. THE OVERTIME CURRENTLY IS CALCULATED AT TIME AND A HALF FOR ANY NONEXEMPT EMPLOYEES. 
          OKAY. AND SO THAT DOES THAT APPLY TO UNIFORMED EMPLOYEES? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. THE LEAVE DATES AND HOLIDAYS. I TO ME, IT APPEARED THAT THERE WERE 85 ADDITIONAL HOURS, BUT I HEARD YOU SAY THAT YOU JUST KIND OF REIMAGINED. YES. TO LEAVE. SO HAVE WE ALWAYS HAD 85 ADDITIONAL HOURS? WHEN I SAY THE 85 HOURS, I MEAN BIRTHDAY HOLIDAY, THAT IS EIGHT HOURS. 
          AND THAT'S JUST FOR NON CIVIL SERVICE EMPLOYEES. SO FOR 32 HOURS FOR PERSONAL LEAVE, THEN WE HAVE EIGHT HOURS FOR VOLUNTEER LEAVE POSSIBLE 32 FOR MENTAL HEALTH BEREAVEMENT 40 HOURS. SO THAT'S 85 ADDITIONAL HOURS IN ADDITION TO HOLIDAYS SICK AND VACATION. RIGHT. SO THE VACATION WILL CONTINUE TO ACCRUE. THE SICK LEAVE WILL CONTINUE TO ACCRUE AS NORMAL. 
          AND WE'LL STILL HAVE THE SAME HOLIDAYS. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE EMERGENCY. THAT'S 40 HOURS. AND THEN EACH EMPLOYEE, EVERY EMPLOYEE GETS A BIRTHDAY HOLIDAY. AND THEN OUR BONUS VACATION IS SET UP TO KIND OF TIE IN WITH SICK LEAVE UTILIZATION. SO IT'S EITHER 16 HOURS OR 32 HOURS. SO REALLY THE FRINGE BENEFITS, IF YOU WANT TO CALL THEM THAT FOR CURRENT OR OUR CURRENT POLICIES, COMES OUT TO 80 HOURS. THE PROPOSED DOES ADD UP 40 ADDITIONAL HOURS, BUT WE PULLED IT SO THAT THE BEREAVEMENT IS SEPARATE. RIGHT NOW, OUR BEREAVEMENT IS KIND OF TIED INTO OUR EMERGENCY LEAVE. SO THE BEREAVEMENT IS SEPARATE BECAUSE TYPICALLY WE HOPE THAT EMPLOYEES WOULDN'T HAVE TO USE THAT, AND THEN THEY WOULD STILL GET THEIR ADDITIONAL 80 HOURS, BUT THEY'RE BROKEN DOWN A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY. SO THE BIRTHDAY HOLIDAY STAYS THE SAME. YOU GET ONE DAY FOR YOUR BIRTHDAY, MENTAL HEALTH WOULD BE 32. INSTEAD OF CALLING IT EMERGENCY LEAVE, WE CALL IT PERSONAL LEAVE. SO YOU CAN USE IT AT YOUR DISCRETION WITH APPROVAL. AND THEN YOU GET ONE EIGHT HOUR DAY TO VOLUNTEER. SO IT'S STILL THE SAME AMOUNT OF HOURS. IT'S JUST WE CALL THEM SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND THEY'LL AGREE. YEAH, WE KIND OF REIMAGINED IT AND THEN ADDED THAT ADDITIONAL 40 HOURS OF BEREAVEMENT KIND OF SEPARATE INSTEAD OF BUILT INTO THE CURRENT POLICIES THAT WE HAVE. 
          OKAY. I'M SORRY, DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION? I'LL LET THE HR EXPERTS. SO SO THANK YOU. 
          EMERGENCY LEAVE BANK IS 40 HOURS CURRENTLY. YES. EVERY EMPLOYEE CURRENTLY GETS AN ADDITIONAL EIGHT HOURS FOR FOR THEIR BIRTHDAY. CORRECT? CORRECT. AND THEN YOUR BONUS IS BASED ON 16 OR 32. I KNOW IN SOME MUNICIPALITIES THEY CONSIDER IT ATTENDANCE INCENTIVE, RIGHT? SO IF YOU DON'T TAKE ANY SICK LEAVE, THEN YOU GET ADDITIONAL ACCRUALS TO YOUR VACATION BALANCE. YES, SIR. EXPLAIN TO ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE 16 OR THE 32, BECAUSE I WANT TO GET MY MATH STRAIGHT BEFORE I GET TO MY OTHER QUESTIONS. WE HAVE A WE HAVE A THRESHOLD. AND FORGIVE ME BECAUSE I HAVE ALL THESE NUMBERS FLOATING AROUND IN MY HEAD, BUT IF YOU USE AN X AMOUNT OF SICK LEAVE OR LESS, THEN YOU WOULD GET THE 32 HOURS OF BONUS VACATION. IF YOU USE X AMOUNT OF SICK LEAVE OR MORE, THEN YOU GET THE 16 HOURS. I JUST CAN'T THINK OF THE OKAY, BUT BUT THAT THAT'S A TICK AND TIE BETWEEN VACATION LEAVE ACCRUALS AND SICK LEAVE ACCRUALS. IF YOU DON'T TAKE ONE, THEN THEY SHIFT. THE REASON I FRAME IT THAT WAY IS BECAUSE I WANT TO SEPARATE IT THAT WAY. SO I WANT TO TAKE THE BONUS BIRTHDAY 16 OR 32 OFF THE TABLE, BECAUSE THAT'S A SEPARATE PROGRAM. I DON'T KNOW IF I'M UNDERSTANDING. ARE YOU SAYING THE BONUS VACATION AS IT IS CURRENTLY? YOU WOULD REMOVE 
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THAT? NO, I'M JUST SAYING. BUT BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO GET TO THE MATH, BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING, WE'RE LOOKING FOR 40 HOURS. SO YEAH, THE BIRTHDAY IS HAS BEEN A YEAH. NO. YEAH, YEAH. IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME. YEAH. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT 48 HOURS. SO THE TEN DAYS OF HOLIDAYS, RIGHT. 
          THE STATUTORY DAYS. SO I'M, I'M NOT DEALING WITH BIRTHDAY OR 40. I'M DEALING WITH 16 OR 32. I WANT TO SEPARATE THE 16 TO 32. SO RIGHT NOW WE GIVE EMPLOYEES A TOTAL OF 48 HOURS. FOR EMERGENCY AND BIRTHDAY IN LEAVE BANK. YEP. UNDER YOUR PROPOSAL, IT GROWS TO WHAT? RIGHT NOW THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY OF GETTING UP TO 80 HOURS. AND THEN ON THE PROPOSAL, THEY WOULD RECEIVE 120. OKAY. I, I KNOW THIS IS A BRIEFING. I KNOW WE GOT A LOT TO GET THROUGH. I HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THIS CONFIGURATION. I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE COST PASSED BACK IN GROWING THIS BEYOND THE STATUTORY. I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT UTILIZATION. 
          HISTORICALLY HOW LEAVE HAS BEEN UTILIZED IN TERMS OF. BECAUSE WE'RE. BECAUSE LEAVE, BE IT SICK OR VACATION IS A POT OF MONEY AND LIABILITY FISCAL LIABILITY FOR THE CITY. AND SO IT'S NOT A CRITIQUE OF, OF THE PROGRAM. I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND THE UTILIZATION OF THAT. AND I THINK SOMETHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE PARTICULARLY HELPFUL IS UNDERSTANDING THAT HOW WILL IT WORK IF AN INDIVIDUAL SHOULD NEED BEREAVEMENT LEAVE AND THE OTHER LEAVE CATEGORIES, BECAUSE YOU ANTICIPATE OR WE ANTICIPATE, NOT YOU, BUT WE ANTICIPATE AN INDIVIDUAL NOT NEEDING THAT. BUT WHAT IF INDIVIDUAL, AN INDIVIDUAL OR INDIVIDUALS NEED THE MAXIMUM OF BEREAVEMENT? AND THEN HOW WOULD THAT PROGRAMMATICALLY FUNCTION? BECAUSE I THINK THAT WHILE IT MAY FEEL GOOD TO PUT CERTAIN TITLES AND LABELS ON CERTAIN TYPES OF LEAVE, I THINK EMERGENCIES COULD BE BROADLY DEFINED AND CONSTRUED TO TO INCLUDE ALL OF THESE LEAVE INSTANCES. SO I'M JUST INTERESTED IN MR. MANAGER, IF IF I CAN JUST UNDERSTAND THAT OFFLINE NOT TO, YOU KNOW, TIE UP MORE TRAFFIC HERE. I KNOW THIS IS KIND OF THE FIRST BRIEFING OF THIS. IT IS IT IS STILL A DRAFT. WE'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR WAYS TO UPDATE. AND LIKE I SAID, OUR ULTIMATE GOAL IS TRYING TO FIND OTHER WAYS TO INCENTIVIZE, KEEP EMPLOYEES AND OFFER THINGS. BUT WE DEFINITELY WERE. THIS IS THE KIND OF FEEDBACK WE NEED. YEAH. NO. SO SO I THINK I JUST WE CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. IT WOULD BE GREAT. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. SO DO YOU WANT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH MANAGEMENT AND STAFF REGARDING THIS ISSUE? THOSE ITEMS I LISTED OUT, IF WE JUST UTILIZATION, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE COST? HOW DOES THIS PERFORM? BECAUSE YEAH, WE MAY BE SOLVING SOMETHING THAT'S SOLVED A FINANCIAL ISSUE. THAT'S YOUR PROVINCE OPERATIONAL UNDER THE CHARTER IS NOT SAY THAT AGAIN, FINANCIALLY IS WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW AS COUNCIL BECAUSE YOU ESTABLISHED THE BUDGET AND OVERSEE THE BUDGET. OPERATIONAL ISSUES ARE NOT UNDER THE CHARTER. WELL, LET ME LET ME CLARIFY, MR. ATTORNEY. THAT'S WHY I TALKED ABOUT THE COST PASS BACK. I'M NOT I DON'T CARE. YOU CAN GIVE PEOPLE A DAY OFF FOR HULA HOOPING. I'M FINE. I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S THAT BUDGETARY IMPLICATION? YOU WANT THE FINANCIAL IMPACT. SO YEAH. AND I'M AGREEING WITH YOU AND THE UTILIZATION AND WHAT THAT COST HAS BEEN, MR. DAVIS, ON THAT BECAUSE I WAS THAT WAS GOING TO BE ONE OF MY CONCERNS WITH THIS, MR. JACKSON, BE INVOLVED WITH THIS AS WELL. OKAY. WE CAN DEFINITELY GET THAT SET UP. OKAY. I JUST HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION. I WENT THROUGH THIS TOO QUICKLY, SO I MAY HAVE MISSED THIS. ARE WE STILL OFFERING THAT WITHIN THE HANDBOOK? IS, IS IT STILL STATED THAT EMPLOYEES CAN DONATE IN EMERGENCY SITUATIONS, OTHER EMPLOYEES WHO HAVE TO TAKE LEAVE? YES, YES. ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM THREE B BRIEFING ON MY GOVERNMENT ONLINE SOFTWARE. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL MATT BRYANT, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS. WE'RE LOOKING AT EXPANDING MGO. AND SO THIS IS JUST A PRESENTATION. 
          WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE SUCCESS WE'VE HAD WITH PUBLIC WORKS AND HOW WE FEEL IT MIGHT BE A GOOD FIT FOR OTHER DIVISIONS. SO WE SUCCESSFULLY IMPLEMENTED IMPLEMENTATION OF MY GOVERNANCE ONLINE FOR VARIOUS USES AND DIVISIONS OF PUBLIC WORKS. OUR GOAL WAS OCTOBER 1ST OF 2025. SO THE MODULES THAT HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFULLY IMPLEMENTED, WE 
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HAVE THE CUSTOMER SERVICE 311 ONLINE REQUEST, CODE ENFORCEMENT, TRAFFIC, STREETS, WATER, WASTEWATER, SOLID WASTE OR UTILITIES, BUILDING MAINTENANCE, PARKS AND RECREATION. AND WE RECENTLY ARE NOW LIVE WITH ENGINEERING, WHICH IS THE RIGHT OF WAY, AND STORMWATER REGISTRATIONS AND FEES FLEET. WE ALSO HAVE GIS INTEGRATION WHERE WE CAN TIE ASSET OR TIE WORK ORDERS TO THOSE ASSETS. SO OUR CURRENT FEATURES, WE CURRENTLY HAVE THE STORMWATER MODULE, WHICH IS THE CONFIGURATION IS UNDERWAY FOR STORMWATER FEES. WE ACTUALLY ANTICIPATE GOING LIVE WITH THIS HERE IN PROBABLY ANOTHER MONTH OR TWO. AND THEN OUR FUTURE IMPLEMENTATIONS FOR PUBLIC WORKS. WE'RE LOOKING AT A CIVIL REVIEW MODULE, A POSSIBLE SEPARATION FROM THE PLANNING MODULE, AND EXPLORING OPTIONS WITH MGO. AND SO FOR PLANNING DEVELOPMENT, THESE ARE SOME SOME EXPANSIONS THAT WE THINK WOULD BE BENEFICIAL. DO YOU WANT TO. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU MATT. ALL RIGHT. MARK RAUSCHER, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER. SO ON THE ON THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT FRONT, WE ARE LOOKING TO ALSO EXPAND THE CITY'S USE OF MGO IN THE VARIOUS CATEGORIES YOU SEE THERE. I MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT THE RENTAL AND IN PARTICULAR THE SHORT TERM RENTAL SIDE, BUT ALSO AS IT RELATES TO, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY APPLYING FOR A BUILDING PERMIT, FOR EXAMPLE, OR MAYBE A REZONING OF A PIECE OF PROPERTY, THEY WOULD UTILIZE THIS SYSTEM. ALSO, OUR HEALTH PERMITTING, PERMITTING WOULD ALSO FUNCTION THROUGH THE SYSTEM. CURRENTLY, THE VENDOR IS WORKING JUST LIKE WITH THE STORMWATER MODULE ON THE PUBLIC WORKS SIDE, IS WORKING TO BE ABLE TO GO LIVE FOR US IN THESE FOUR DIFFERENT CATEGORIES HERE IN OCTOBER. AND THEN AT THAT POINT, WE'LL BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, START COLLECTING ON THE SHORT TERM RENTAL PIECE OF IT AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, CHARGING THE VARIOUS FEES THAT ARE IN THE FEE SCHEDULE FOR, FOR HEALTH AND BUILDING PERMITTING AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. IN TERMS OF FEATURE RIGHT NOW, WE, WE DON'T FORESEE ANY ANY ADDITIONAL MODULES THAT ARE NEEDED IN THE MGO ENVIRONMENT TO ASSIST THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. BUT AS YOU ALL PROBABLY KNOW, WE DO CURRENTLY USE. TYLER GOV. AND SO WE WE ARE LOOKING TO ACTUALLY. SUNSET. TYLER GOV. I BELIEVE OUR CURRENT SERVICE PERIOD RUNS THROUGH MID JANUARY. SO WE WILL BE GOING LIVE IN OCTOBER. WE'LL HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF OVERLAP THERE AND THEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO SUNSET. TYLER GOV AND YOU KNOW FROM A COST PERSPECTIVE, IT'S IT'S PRETTY NET NEUTRAL. BUT I WOULD ARGUE THAT IT'S ACTUALLY A BENEFIT GOING TO MGO BECAUSE SO MANY OF OUR OTHER FUNCTIONALITIES, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE CITY OF PUBLIC WORKS AND CODE AND FLEET AND GIS, EVERYTHING'S ALREADY IN MGO. SO IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO GO THIS ROUTE LATER THIS FALL. AND I KIND OF COVERED COVERED THESE POINTS HERE AS WELL JUST NOW. SO IT REALLY JUST ENABLES US TO, TO HAVE A ONE STOP SHOP FOR ALL OF OUR PERMITTING NEEDS. AND MGO HAS ALSO BEEN GREAT BECAUSE ALL THE SUPPORT AND MAINTENANCE AND ALL THAT IS INCLUDED, THEY'RE VERY RESPONSIVE. WHEN WE IDENTIFY ISSUES, THEY'RE THERE. THEY'RE JUMPING ON IT RIGHT AWAY TO HELP HELP US COME UP WITH RESOLUTION. AND SO IT'S REALLY BEEN A GREAT PARTNERSHIP SO FAR. SO I THINK WITH THAT, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. ARE THERE ANY OTHER MODULES THAT WE MAY HAVE THAT WE PAID FOR THAT ARE DORMANT? ONE OUTSIDE OF THE STR, THE RENTALS? SURE. ONE AREA THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT IS MAYBE MIGRATING OUR SPECIAL EVENT, PERMITTING TO THE MGO PIECE. AND THERE'S ACTUALLY IN THE, IN THE PLANNING AND PERMITTING MODULE THAT'S SUPPOSED TO GO LIVE HERE IN OCTOBER. THERE IS A SPECIAL EVENT FUNCTION IN THERE. SO I SHOULD HAVE HAD THAT ON THE SLIDE. BUT THAT THAT WILL BE A COMPONENT. SO WE'LL GO LIVE IN OCTOBER. YES, MA'AM. YEAH. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT SEEING ANYTHING RIGHT NOW. BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT MAYBE SOMETHING DOESN'T COME DOWN THE PIKE. AND YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS WITH MGO ON DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE OR NEEDS THAT WE HAVE. AND OF COURSE, THEY'RE ALWAYS WILLING TO, OKAY, WE'LL WE'LL TROUBLESHOOT THAT FOR YOU. 
          WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN COME UP WITH A SOLUTION OR MAYBE ANOTHER CITY THAT THE MGO GROUP ACTUALLY PARTNERS WITH AROUND THE COUNTRY. MAYBE ANOTHER CITY HAS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. SO, SO OUT OF THE SHORT TERM RENTAL, THE ONES THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING TONIGHT AND THE SPECIAL EVENT, THOSE ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT WE HAVE PURCHASED THAT JUST HAVE NOT GONE LIVE YET, CORRECT? CORRECT. YES. MR. COULD YOU BRIEFLY ADDRESS I MEAN, THERE'S IMPLEMENTATION OF TESTING AND WHAT YOU'VE DONE. CAN YOU CAN YOU BRIEFLY TOUCH ON THAT? SURE. 
          THE TEAM THE TEAM HAS ACTUALLY BEEN BEEN WORKING PRETTY FEVERISHLY OVER THE OVER THE LATE SUMMER MONTHS AND DURING THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER ON, ON TESTING, YOU KNOW, THE 
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STORMWATER AND PLANNING PERMITTING, YOU KNOW, MODULES. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY IT'S GOOD THAT WITH, WITH THE INNER GOV, YOU KNOW, WE STILL HAVE THAT AS A AS A FAILSAFE TO GET US THROUGH MID JANUARY. SHOULD WE SEE ANY KIND OF HICCUPS WITH THE MGO SYSTEM ON THE, ON THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT SIDE, WHAT, WHAT PLAN, IF ANY, DO YOU ALL HAVE TO PRESERVE AND CAPTURE THE DATA OUT OF THE LEGACY SYSTEM AS YOU MOVE FORWARD? SO AS YOU LOOK BACK KIND OF YEAR OVER YEAR? YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. SO WE WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH MGO TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, ONCE, ONCE THE NEW SYSTEM GOES LIVE, ALL THE DATA IS, IS, IS PORT, YOU KNOW, PORTED INTO THE NEW MGO ENVIRONMENT. AND THEN ALSO, YOU MIGHT RECALL MY GOV, WHICH WAS AN OLDER SYSTEM. AND SO MGO WAS WORKING WITH US ON DECIPHERING THAT, THAT DATA AND GETTING IT IMPORTED INTO THE, INTO THE MGO ENVIRONMENT TO SO THAT WE DO HAVE THAT TRUE HISTORY OF ALL PERMITTING AND ZONING CASES AND SO FORTH THAT HAVE THAT HAVE OCCURRED THROUGH THERE. ONE OF THE THINGS I'LL JUST MENTION AS COMMENTARY IS, YOU KNOW, AS WE SEEK GREATER INNOVATION IN TERMS OF MOVING TO DIFFERENT PLATFORMS, SOMETIMES THE CHALLENGE IS CAPTURING DATA OUT OF OUR LEGACY SYSTEM OR SYSTEMS AND BEING ABLE TO EXTRAPOLATE THAT DATA IN A WAY THAT IT SPEAKS BACK TO US. AND MOST OFTEN, IN MY EXPERIENCE, THE THE NEW PLATFORM ONE USES DOESN'T ALWAYS MATCH NODE TO NODE WITH THE NEW DATA. CORRECT. BUT WE'RE AT A DISADVANTAGE IF WE DON'T ■CAPTURE THAT IN SUCH A WAY THAT WE HAVE A HISTORICAL LOOK BACK AS WE GET FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD. AND SO THAT'S JUST ONE OF THE THINGS I'LL JUST OFFER UP AS OPERATIONAL. COMMENTARY AS WE MOVE FORWARD. BECAUSE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT FEES, IT DOES HAVE A FINANCIAL IMPACT ON OUR ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO CAPTURE FEES, EVEN AS TONIGHT WE CONSIDER UPDATING THE FEE SCHEDULE. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. MR. SO I HAVEN'T TALKED MUCH ABOUT THE REPORTING SIDE. AS FAR AS THE RESIDENTS BEING ABLE TO REPORT CODE ISSUES AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. SO HOW ARE THINGS GOING ON THAT END? IT'S ACTUALLY GOING QUITE WELL. AND I DO WANT TO SAY JUST FOR TRANSPARENCY. SO FLEET IS A VERY UNIQUE OPERATION. AND WHILE MGO IS GIVING US THE MINIMAL CAPABILITIES, WE NEED TO CREATE WORK ORDERS AND HAVE AN INVENTORY OF ASSETS, WE ARE WINDOW SHOPPING, IF YOU WILL, FOR SOME FUEL MANAGEMENT. NUMBER ONE, BECAUSE WE HAVE A VERY INUNDATED FUEL MANAGEMENT SYSTEM. SO WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING AT THAT. AND THEN A LOT OF THOSE COME WITH FLEET MANAGEMENT AS PART OF THE FUEL MANAGEMENT. IF WE CAN CONSOLIDATE THOSE AND IT BE A WASH OR A SAVINGS, WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT THAT. WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, COMMITTED TO DUMPING ANY OF THESE MODULES. BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT, THEY'VE BEEN THEY'VE BEEN REALLY GOOD FOR ALL THE DIVISIONS. OKAY. DID MY QUESTION NOT CLEAR. NO. HE WAS YEAH. HE WAS ASKING ABOUT LIKE, HOW'S IT GOING AS FAR AS PEOPLE REPORTING ON CODE ENFORCEMENT? OH, IT'S, IT'S THE MOST COMMON ONE WE RECEIVE. YEAH, WE, WE GET SEVERAL OF THEM. AND, AND WE'RE STAYING ON TOP OF THEM. 
          WE GET, I MEAN, WE, OUR TURNAROUND IS WITHIN 24, 48 HOURS. SO WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN RECEIVING A LOT OF, OF 311 REQUESTS FOR CODE SPECIFICALLY. AND IT'S GOING REALLY WELL. 
          OKAY. I KNOW PREVIOUSLY WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO SEE ARE THINGS THAT WERE BEING REPORTED AND RESPONSE TIMES. AND SO CAN WE GET ANY OF THAT INFORMATION. YEAH. THERE'S A LIVE REPORT THAT WE STARTED SENDING OUT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE LIKE THAT SHOULD BE GOING OUT AND BEING AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC. SO IT'S, IT'S GOING OUT THE FIFTH OF EVERY MONTH. I WANT TO SAY WE IT WASN'T GOING OUT WHEN WE THOUGHT IT WAS. I WANT TO SAY WE CORRECTED IT LAST MONTH. SO ON THE FIFTH EVERY MONTH MOVING FORWARD, Y'ALL SHOULD BE AUTOMATICALLY EMAILED THE FULL REPORT. OKAY. AND TO THAT POINT, ARE, ARE THOSE RESPONSE TIMES OR RESPONSES AT ALL BEING TRACKED? YES. SO THERE IS AN AVERAGE RESPONSE TIME. AND THEN WHETHER WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE OR OUT OF COMPLIANCE OF OUR SERVICE LEVEL AGREEMENTS. SO ALL OF THAT'S PART OF THE REPORT. SO HOW DO YOU KNOW IF IT GETS OUT OF COMPLIANCE AND RESPONSE TIMES IN A PARTICULAR AREA DRAGGING? SO WE HAVE SLAS BUILT IN FOR, FOR EACH TYPE OF REPORT. AND SO IT WILL TELL US IF THAT, IF THAT MODULE OR THAT REPORTING IS IN OR OUT OF COMPLIANCE BASED OFF OUR ESTABLISHED SLAS, YOU GET REPORTS. YES, SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU. I GUESS. YEAH, I'VE, I'VE USED IT A FEW TIMES AND I'VE HAD REALLY HAVEN'T HAD ANY ISSUES WITH IT. I THINK YOU TUTORED ME A LITTLE BIT ON HOW TO WORK WITH IT. I DO KNOW, AND AGAIN, SINCE WE HAD A DIFFERENT PLATFORM PREVIOUSLY, SOME PEOPLE STILL ARE SAYING THEY'RE HAVING PROBLEMS REPORTING THINGS. AND SO MAYBE IT'S JUST THEM LEARNING THE NEW INTERFACE. BUT AGAIN, I'D BE CURIOUS TO 
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SEE JUST SOME OF THE DATA THAT WE HAVE AS FAR AS HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH PEOPLE ARE USING IT AND WHAT THEY'RE USING IT FOR RESPONSE TIMES. WE CAN DEFINITELY GET THAT AND THOSE REPORTS GOING OUT. AND THEN MAYBE WE CAN ALSO DO SOME MORE OUTREACH ONLINE AND SOCIAL, MAKING SURE PEOPLE KNOW HOW THEY CAN USE IT, WHERE THEY CAN GO FIND IT AND, AND LOG THOSE REQUESTS. SO I'LL MAKE A NOTE OF THAT. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA BECAUSE JUST LIKE WHEN WE CHANGE WATER BILLING AND STUFF, MISS WRIGHT MADE A VIDEO, YOU KNOW, SHOWING PEOPLE HOW TO USE IT. AND WE'VE GOT A TEAM THAT SEEMS LIKE THEY NOT TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE TECHNOLOGY AND DISTRIBUTED. YEAH, I'M MAKING A NOTE OF THAT. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ITEM THREE C PRESENTATION ON AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE READER TECHNOLOGY. 
          AND MAYOR COUNCIL JUST A JUST A HOUSEKEEPING ITEM. SO THIS ITEM IS SOMETHING WE BROUGHT FORWARD. 
          YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS ON OUR AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE READERS, OUR FLOCK CAMERAS, ETC. AND SO REALLY, WE'RE BRINGING THIS BRIEFING TO REALLY ANSWER THE QUESTIONS YOU'VE ALREADY ASKED US AND ALSO JUST PROVIDE INFORMATION ON IT. I WILL NOTE I WAS ASKED A QUESTION IN THE STAFF REPORT. IT DOES HAVE A RECOMMENDATION APPROVED AND I'LL ETC. THAT IS ACTUALLY A STANDARD TEMPLATE IN OUR STAFF REPORT THAT GETS AUTOMATICALLY POPULATED. THERE IS NO ACTION TO BE TAKEN ON THIS. THIS IS PURELY INFORMATIONAL ONLY. AND GOING FORWARD WE WILL ADDRESS THAT IN STAFF REPORTS TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN IT COMES TO BRIEFING, THERE'S NOT THERE'S NOT AN ACTION, IT'S JUST A BRIEFING FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES. SO WITH THAT SO GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. I'VE GOT A QUESTION. YES, SIR. GO AHEAD. 
          AND WE DO HAVE AN ACTION ITEM. OKAY. RELATED TO THIS. RIGHT. THAT'S THE CPA GRANT. SO IT DOES MENTION AUTOMATIC LICENSE PLATE RECOGNITION SYSTEMS IN THE ACTION ITEM. SO WE IS THERE GOING TO BE ANY REDUNDANCY HERE FOR US TO HAVE THIS BRIEFING NOW AND THEN. NO, NO WHEN YOU SEE THE OTHER ONE DISCUSSED THAT YOU'LL SEE THERE'S A DISTINCT DIFFERENCE IN WHAT WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED. YEAH. IF I MIGHT ADD, JUST FOR THAT SECOND ITEM THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO, THAT IT DOES MENTION ALPR, BUT IT'S EXPLAINING THAT THE ALPR CAMERAS THAT WE WERE PREVIOUSLY GOING TO BRING TO YOU FOR THE MDC GRANT HAVE BEEN REMOVED FROM THAT REQUEST. YEAH, I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT ITEM AND THEN TALK ABOUT DEFERRED PROCUREMENT. SO WE WILL BE IT IS PART OF THE ACTION. SO YEAH, WE CAN WE CAN DEFINITELY ADDRESS THAT WHEN THAT COMES UP FOR SURE. AND WE'LL MAKE A NOTE OF THAT. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I'M PRESENTING THIS BRIEFING TO YOU AT. THE REQUEST CAME FROM THE CITY MANAGER. JUST WITH EVERYTHING GOING ON WITH THE THE MISINFORMATION, IF YOU WILL, ON THE AUTOMATIC LICENSE PLATE READERS. SO FIRST, WHAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS JUST WHAT ALPR TECHNOLOGY IS. WHAT WHAT IT IS, HOW IT'S USED BY THE DUNCANVILLE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHAT INFORMATION IS RETAINED, HOW INFORMATION MAY BE SHARED, AND THE SAFEGUARDS WE USE TO CONTROL ACCESS AND MISUSE. I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT, AND THAT WE NEED TO SEPARATE THE TECHNOLOGY FROM ANY PARTICULAR VENDOR. LPR IS CATEGORY INVESTIGATION TECHNOLOGY THAT DUNCANVILLE USES. DUNCANVILLE CURRENTLY USES THE VENDORS FLOCK AND AXON FOR THOSE PLATFORMS THAT THOSE PLATFORMS USE. ALPR TECHNOLOGIES. AT ITS MOST BASIC LEVEL, AN ALPR SYSTEM CAPTURES AN IMAGE OF A LICENSE PLATE AND THE VEHICLE AROUND IT. WHEN THE VEHICLE PASSES A CAMERA, IT RECORDS THE DATE, TIME, AND LOCATION AND CAN IDENTIFY VISIBLE VEHICLE CHARACTERISTICS SUCH AS MAKE, MODEL, COLOR, TYPE, AND OTHER DISTINGUISHING DISTINGUISHING FEATURES. THAT INFORMATION CAN BE COMPARED AGAINST AN AUTHORIZED HOT LIST OR SEARCHED LATER WHEN INVESTIGATORS HAVE A LEGITIMATE, LEGITIMATE LAW ENFORCEMENT PURPOSE. THE IMPORTANT BOUNDARY IS THAT THE ALPR READ ITSELF IS VEHICLE INFORMATION. IT IS NOT FACIAL RECOGNITION. IT DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY IDENTIFY THE DRIVER OR REGISTERED OWNER, AND IT DOES NOT COLLECT A PERSON'S NAME, ADDRESS, PHONE NUMBER OR BIOMETRIC IDENTIFIER AS PART OF THE PLATE READER AND ALPR ALERT IS AN INVESTIGATIVE LEAD. IT IS NOT AN AUTOMATIC ENFORCEMENT DECISION. SO HOW DOES THE DUNCANVILLE POLICE DEPARTMENT USE ALPR? DUNCANVILLE CURRENTLY USES TWO PRIMARY ALPR PLATFORMS. FIRST, LIKE I MENTIONED, WAS FLOCK. FLOCK CONSISTS OF OUR 
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FLOCK USAGE CONSISTS OF 11 DEPARTMENT CONTROLLED CAMERAS, PRIMARILY POSITIONED ALONG PUBLIC ROADWAYS AND KEY TRAVEL CORRIDORS. OPERATIONAL DEPLOYMENT FOR FLOCK CAMERAS BEGAN IN OCTOBER 2023. OUR AXON CURRENTLY USES 24 ACTIVE ALPR CAMERAS. 22 OF THOSE ARE FLEET CAMERAS. THE DASH, THE IN-CAR CAMERAS IN OUR IN OUR VEHICLES. AND THEN WE HAVE TWO OUTPOSTS, FIXED CAMERAS, I SAY FIXED. THEY'RE THEY'RE ALSO MADE TO BE MOBILE. WE CAN EASILY MOVE THOSE AROUND TO TARGET HIGH CRIME AREAS AS NEEDED. THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN THESE PLATFORMS, THESE SYSTEMS MATTER. FLOCK AND AXON HAVE SEPARATE PERMISSIONS, AUDIT RECORDS, AND EXTERNAL SHARING CONFIGURATIONS. WHEN WE DISCUSS A NUMBER FOR ONE PLATFORM, IT SHOULD NOT BE INTERPRETED AS A DEPARTMENT WIDE NUMBER UNLESS WE SPECIFICALLY SAY THAT IT IS. SO HOW A A READ, AN ALERT OR A SEARCH BECOMES POLICE ACTION. DUNCANVILLE POLICE DEPARTMENT LIMITS ALPR USE TO LEGITIMATE LAW ENFORCEMENT PURPOSES. TYPICAL USES INCLUDE STOLEN OR WANTED VEHICLES AND PLATES, MISSING PERSONS WARRANTS, WEAPONS RELATED AND MAJOR CRIME INVESTIGATIONS, SUSPECT IDENTIFICATION AND STOLEN PROPERTY RECOVERY. THE ACTIVITY NUMBERS ON THE SLIDE ARE EXAMPLES OF. SORRY I'LL EXAMPLE OF SYSTEM USE, NOT ARREST OR CLEARANCE TOTALS. WE DO NOT CURRENTLY MAINTAIN A SINGLE VALIDATED HISTORICAL TOTAL SHOWING EVERY INVESTIGATION, ARREST OR CLEARANCE ATTRIBUTABLE TO ALPR. SO I DO NOT WANT TO GIVE COUNCIL AN ESTIMATE THAT WE CANNOT DEFEND. A RECENT DUNCANVILLE EXAMPLE FOR SUCCESS IS THE JULY 28TH ROAD RAGE SHOOTING INVESTIGATION. DETECTIVES USED FLOCK INFORMATION TO IDENTIFY, FOLLOW AND FOLLOW MULTIPLE LEADS. THE SUSPECT WAS ARRESTED AUGUST 18TH AND CHARGED WITH TWO COUNTS OF AGGRAVATED ASSAULT WITH A DEADLY WEAPON. 
          THIS IS THE TYPE OF INVESTIGATION VALUE TECHNOLOGY CAN PROVIDE. DATA RETENTION. 
          EXTERNAL SHARING. THIS IS A HOT TOPIC. A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE TECHNOLOGY SUPPLIES INFORMATION. THE OFFICER REMAINS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DECISION. A VEHICLE IS DETECTED. THE SYSTEM MAY GENERATE A HOT LIST ALERT, OR AN AUTHORIZED USER MAY CONDUCT A HISTORICAL SEARCH. THE USER REVIEWS THE RESULT AND THE DOCUMENTED LAW ENFORCEMENT PURPOSE BEFORE ENFORCEMENT ENFORCEMENT ACTION, THE OFFICER MUST INDEPENDENTLY VERIFY THE PLATE, THE VEHICLE, AND THE UNDERLYING BASIS FOR THE ALERT. THAT DISTINCTION IS IMPORTANT, AND ALPR HIT SHOULD NEVER BE TREATED AS AN AUTOMATIC STOP OR ARREST. IT IS INFORMATION THAT MUST BE CHECKED AGAINST THE CIRCUMSTANCES KNOWN TO THE OFFICER. JUMPED AHEAD ON THE SLIDE FOR ROUTINE DATA. DUNCANVILLE IS CURRENT BLOCK AND AXON CONFIGURATIONS BOTH USE A 30 DAY RETENTION PERIOD. INFORMATION THAT IS PRESERVED AS EVIDENCE IS HANDLED UNDER THE APPLICABLE EVIDENCE AND RECORDS RETENTION REQUIREMENTS, RATHER THAN THE 30 DAY WINDOW. 
          SHARING IS DIFFERENT BETWEEN THE TWO PLATFORMS. THE AUGUST 27TH FLOCK EXPORT SHOWED THAT 482 OUTGOING ORGANIZATIONS OR NETWORK RELATIONSHIPS. DUNCANVILLE PARTICIPATES IN THE STATE WIDE NETWORK, WHILE THE FLOCK NATIONWIDE NETWORK IS DISABLED. AXON CURRENTLY HAS NO EXTERNAL ALPR SHARING RELATIONSHIPS. ONE STATISTIC REQUIRES CONTEXT. WHEN A FLOCK NETWORK AUDIT RECORD RECORDS, RECORD SAYS DUNCANVILLE NETWORK WAS INCLUDED IN A SEARCH. THAT DOES NOT MEAN ONE OF OUR CAMERAS PRODUCED A RESULT. IT MEANS OUR NETWORK WAS AMONG THE NETWORKS INCLUDED IN THE QUERY. THOSE ARE VERY TWO VERY DIFFERENT THINGS. FOR PRIVACY, ACCOUNTABILITY AND GOVERNANCE. GOVERNANCE. THE CITY THE DUNCANVILLE CITY COMMANDER OWNS THE OPERATIONAL ADMINISTRATION OF DUNCANVILLE ALPR SYSTEM, INCLUDING ACCESS AND SHARING CONFIGURATION ACCESS IS LIMITED BASED ON ROLE AND OPERATIONAL NEED. USERS HAVE INDIVIDUAL ACCOUNTS, AND THE PRIMARY PLATFORMS USE MULTI-FACTOR AUTHENTICATION SEARCHES MUST HAVE A LEGITIMATE LAW ENFORCEMENT PURPOSE AND ARE ATTRIBUTABLE TO A SPECIFIC USER. 
          THE REVISED POLICY STRENGTHENS THOSE CONTROLS BY REQUIRING A CASE OR INCIDENT NUMBER WHEN ONE EXISTS. SUFFICIENT CONTEXT WHEN ONE DOES NOT DOCUMENTED MONTHLY AUDITS, FORMAL TRAINING, 
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AND CITY OWNED DEVICE ACCESS. THE POLICY ALSO EXPRESSLY PROHIBITS PERSONAL, RETALIATORY, DISCRIMINATORY, POLITICAL OR NON-LAW ENFORCEMENT USE. IF QUESTIONABLE ACTIVITY IS IDENTIFIED, THE RESPONSE CAN INCLUDE REMOVAL OF ACCESS, SUPERVISORY REVIEW AND ADMINISTRATIVE INVESTIGATION AND DISCIPLINE AS WARRANTED. OKAY, QUESTION ON THAT POINT, BECAUSE THAT ONE SEEMS TO HIT ON WHETHER THE INFORMATION IS ACCURATE. THAT'S REPORTED NATIONALLY OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS. THAT ONE SEEMS TO HIT ON WHERE THE ABUSES HAVE OCCURRED, ALLEGEDLY IN OTHER STATES, CAUSING CAMERA CAMERA CONTRACT TO BE CANCELED IN ABOUT 200 STATE 200 CITIES. DALLAS JUST HAD A MEETING WITH HER COUNCIL LAST MONDAY OR TUESDAY. THEY SEEM TO TAKE THE RIGHT APPROACH ON THIS BECAUSE THEY DEFENDED THE USE AND THE BENEFIT OF THE CAMERAS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THEY REALIZED THAT THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE TO AS A RESULT OF ABUSES, NOT WITHIN THEIR OWN DEPARTMENT, BUT NATIONALLY. THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE TO DO TWO THINGS. ONE, ESTABLISH, I THINK, USING AI TO SOME DEGREE, A, A SYSTEM THAT WOULD PICK UP IF ABUSES WERE OCCURRING. AND IT WOULD SENSE THAT MAYBE SOME PARTICULAR OFFICER HAD TRACKED A CERTAIN LICENSE PLATE TOO MANY TIMES FOR UNJUSTIFIABLE REASONS. AND SECONDLY, BECAUSE OF THE NATIONAL ATTENTION AND WHETHER IT'S ACCURATE OR NOT, IN ALL CASES, IT'S STILL A STIGMA THAT DALLAS DECIDED THAT THEY WERE MOVING FORWARD WITH AN EFFORT TO REBUILD TRUST BY DEVELOPING THESE KIND OF SAFEGUARDS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT WE ALREADY HAVE A LOT OF THIS IN PLACE RIGHT NOW, BUT I THINK WE HAVE A WE HAVE WE STILL HAVE A A CHALLENGE AHEAD OF US BECAUSE THE PUBLIC, WHETHER IT'S ACCURATE OR NOT, IS OF THE OPINION RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF NATIONAL TRENDS OR DISCOVERIES THAT THESE CAMERAS ARE, CAN BE, CAN BE ABUSED. SO I LIKE WHAT I'M SEEING UP THERE THAT WE ALREADY HAVE IN PLACE, BUT I DON'T WANT TO LOSE TRACK OF THE FACT THAT WE'VE GOT WE'VE STILL LAW ENFORCEMENT STILL HAS A LONG WAY TO GO TO COME OUT FROM UNDER ALL THE STORIES THAT HAVE BEEN ON THE ON THE NEWS OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, I THINK YOU ALL ARE PRIVY TO THOSE. AND THE DALLAS MEETING THAT THEY HAVE. I'M NOT AGAINST THE USE OF THESE CAMERAS, BY THE WAY, AT ALL. I THINK THEY DO SERVE A BENEFIT. WE'LL PROBABLY NEED TO TALK WITH THE PUBLIC A LITTLE BIT MORE DIRECTLY. AND WHEN I SAY WE, Y'ALL, AND MAYBE A MEETING OF SORTS WOULD HELP TO TO ASSURE THEM THAT THE SYSTEMS WE HAVE IN PLACE ARE GOING TO MINIMIZE TO ANY DEGREE WHAT'S WHAT'S BEEN PROVEN IN SOME CASES NATIONALLY TO BE REAL, REAL. I THINK DALLAS REDUCED DOWN FROM 2000 AGENCIES THAT HAD ACCESS TO JUST OVER 200 AS A RESULT OF THIS. AND THEY'VE ALSO REMOVED ALL FEDERAL. CAPABILITIES OF GETTING INTO THEIR SYSTEM. SO I KNOW THERE'S DIFFERENT ANIMALS, DALLAS VERSUS DUNCANVILLE, BUT THERE'S A STIGMA RIGHT NOW. AND YOU ALL KNOW, AND I LIKE WHAT I'M SEEING. I LIKE THAT WE'VE ALREADY HAD THESE THINGS IN PLACE, BUT WE HAVE TO BE LEERY OF THE PUBLIC'S BUILDING THE PUBLIC'S TRUST BACK THAT WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW THOSE TYPES OF PROBLEMS TO OCCUR HERE. I'M SORRY FOR THE INTERRUPTION. NO, ABSOLUTELY. 
          MAYOR. AND TO ADDRESS SOME OF WHAT YOU SAID AND REBUILDING AND THE CONFIDENCE WITH THE PUBLIC AND ALL THAT. I MEAN, IT IT BOILS DOWN TO YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD. IT'S THE TRUST, OKAY. AND IT'S JUST LIKE ANY ANYTHING ELSE. WHEN WHEN THERE IS A MISUSE, IT'S, IT'S NOT JUST GOING TO BREAK THAT TRUST WITH JUST THAT ONE INDIVIDUAL OFFICER, JUST THAT ONE INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENT. IT'S GOING TO BREAK THAT TRUST ACROSS THE NATION, OKAY. AND EVERYBODY'S GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK FROM IT. AND WITH US IN OUR SAFEGUARDS WHEN IF WE CATCH A SOME MISUSE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, IT'S ADDRESSED ADMINISTRATIVELY RIGHT AWAY. 
          YOU MENTIONED WITH DALLAS IN THERE. AI TYPE STUFF FOR THEIR AUDITS AND EVERYTHING WE HAVE, WE HAVE THAT SAME ABILITY. SO IT AUTOMATICALLY FLAGS US ON PRESET. ALERTS, IF YOU WILL. IF AN OFFICER HITS ONE OF THOSE ALERTS, IT'LL IT WILL ALERT THE CITY DETECTIVE OF THAT AND PROMPT HIM TO INVESTIGATE IT FURTHER. THANK YOU. CAN I INTERJECT ONE MORE THING? YES, PLEASE. I ALSO WANT TO SAY LIKE WE RECOGNIZE WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE PUBLIC. WE KNOW WE HEAR WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING, AND IT'S EASY FOR US TO BLOW IT OFF AND SAY, OKAY, THAT'S CRAZY 
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THAT THAT'S NOT HAPPENING. THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. BUT WE CAN'T DO THAT. WE HAVE TO BUILD TRUST WITH EVERYONE, JUST LIKE YOU SAID, AND WE'VE ALREADY BEGUN THE PROCESS. I DIDN'T KNOW IF HE WAS GOING TO MENTION IT OR NOT. SO WE'VE ALREADY BEGIN THAT PROCESS. SO WE'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, PUT OUT SOME EDUCATIONAL PIECES, MAKE SOME VIDEOS. WE HAVE ONE THAT THAT WE'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE THINK THE PUBLIC DESERVES TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THESE CAMERAS AND HOW WE UTILIZE THESE CAMERAS. AND WE NEED TO GIVE THEM THAT EDUCATION SO THAT THEY UNDERSTAND RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE BELIEVING THE STUFF THAT THEY HEAR BECAUSE THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND. SO IT'S UP TO ME AND MY STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THE WORD OUT AND THAT WE SHOW THEM AND THAT WE'RE TRANSPARENT SO THAT THEY CAN UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT IT IS WE'RE DOING WITH THOSE CAMERAS. I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT. GO AHEAD. 
          NO, NO, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP AND TAKING THAT APPROACH. I REALLY DO APPRECIATE IT BRINGS CLARITY AT THE END OF THE DAY TO WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IN DUNCANVILLE. 
          THAT MAY DIFFER FROM WHERE SOME OF THE ABUSES HAVE OCCURRED ELSEWHERE. SO I APPRECIATE THAT, THAT PROACTIVE AND THAT YOU TAKE THE IMPORTANT THING TO I'M SORRY, MAYOR, THE IMPORTANT THING IS TO REMEMBER THAT THIS IS A TOOL. YOU KNOW, THIS IS ONE OF OUR TOOLS THAT WE USE, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER THING THAT WE CARRY. THIS IS A TOOL THAT WE USE. IT'S MADE TO BE USED A CERTAIN WAY. I CAN'T GUARANTEE EVERYONE IN HERE THAT SOMEONE'S NOT GOING TO USE IT INAPPROPRIATELY. BUT WHAT I DO, WHAT I CAN GUARANTEE YOU IS THAT WE HAVE POLICIES IN PLACE AND THAT IF ANYTHING DOES OCCUR, THAT IT'LL BE HANDLED. YOU KNOW, IT'S MY JOB TO MAKE SURE THAT STUFF IS DEALT WITH AND I'LL DO JUST THAT. SO THANK YOU. JUST BEFORE I MOVE ON, JUST COUNCIL MEMBER, YOU HAD A QUESTION. YES, I DO. I'M BACK ON SLIDE 40. I JUST HAD A CURIOSITY. SO WE CONDUCTED A 31 DAY NETWORK AUDIT BETWEEN THE 28TH AND THE 27TH OF AUGUST. YES, SIR. WHO ARE USERS? WHO ARE USERS? DUNCANVILLE USERS. USERS. I MEAN, BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE, WE, WE TALKED ABOUT A USER CAN CONDUCT A SEARCH. IT SEEMS SO. 1755 PERFORMED BY DUNCANVILLE USERS WHO. AND THEN THE OTHERS FROM FROM OTHER ORGANIZATIONS WHO ARE USERS IN THIS SCENARIO. SO IN IN DUNCANVILLE, OUR USERS ARE OUR SWORN OFFICERS. OKAY. WE. EVEN OUR PATROL OFFICERS. IT'S A POWERFUL TOOL FOR THEM AT THEIR LEVEL. SO SWORN OFFICERS IN DUNCANVILLE IN OTHER PLACES, OTHER, OTHER. IT'S IT'S GOING TO BE ANY, ANY USER THAT THEIR AGENCIES ALLOW THEM TO SEARCH. AND PRIMARILY IT'S GOING TO BE SOMEBODY, A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, SOMEBODY THAT HANDLES INVESTIGATIONS. OKAY. SOME OF THAT EXPLAINED IN THE PREVIOUS BULLET POINT UP THERE UNDER FLOCK SHARING CONFIGURATION, 482 OUTGOING ORGANIZATIONS, NETWORK RELATIONSHIPS, TEXAS STATEWIDE NETWORK ENABLED. NATIONWIDE NETWORK. DISABLED. 
          IT'S SOME SOME OF THAT I BELIEVE HE WAS ASKING WHO ARE THE INDIVIDUAL USERS USERS? I, I DIDN'T HAVE THAT QUESTION. YEAH, I'M TALKING ABOUT USERS. OKAY. THANK YOU. BUT WHEN SOMEBODY DOES DO A SEARCH, SIR, FOR. AND IT RESULTS IN A RETURN FROM DUNCANVILLE NETWORK. OKAY, WE CAN SEE WHO THAT USER WAS FROM THAT AGENCY. OKAY, OKAY. AND MAYOR, SINCE YOU POINTED OUT THE 482 OUTGOING ORGANIZATIONS YOU HAD MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT CITY OF DALLAS, 2000 SHARED NETWORKS. SO THE 482, AGAIN, IT'S TEXAS ONLY. THERE IS AN OPTION TO SHARE NATIONWIDE THAT PREVIOUSLY HAD COME UNDER FIRE WITH PUBLIC INFORMATION REQUEST AND ALL THAT. SO IF YOU'D HAVE OUR DEPARTMENT WOULD HAVE TO MEET OTHER STATES PUBLIC INFORMATION REQUEST. SO WE AS A DEPARTMENT CHOSE TO KEEP EVERYTHING STATE STATESIDE. AND WE ALSO DO NOT HAVE THE WE HAVE THE NATIONAL NETWORK DISABLED, AND WE DO NOT SHARE WITH FEDERAL ENFORCEMENT DIRECTLY. IT'S NOT AN AUTOMATIC APPROVAL. THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROPER. STAGES TO GET INFORMATION FROM OUR SYSTEM. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND JUST THE LAST PART. SO THE SYSTEM ADMINISTRATOR ADMINISTRATION, THE CITY COMMANDER CONTROLS LOCAL ALPR SYSTEM SETTINGS, THE USER ACCESS. WE JUST SPOKE ABOUT THAT. SO HE CONTROLS WHO THE WHO HAS ACCESS TO IT WITHIN OUR OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND MONITORS AND CONDUCTS REGULAR AUDITS OF WHAT THEY'RE USING. 
          BECAUSE FLOCK AND AXON OPERATE DIFFERENTLY, WE REVIEW THEM SEPARATELY RATHER THAN ASSUMING ONE PLATFORM'S CONFIGURATION APPLIES TO THE OTHER. DUNCANVILLE CAN ALSO PROVIDE COUNCIL AN ANNUAL PUBLIC ALPR PROGRAM REPORT SUMMARIZING SYSTEM INVENTORY RETENTION, 
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USAGE SHARING, AUDIT ACTIVITY, SIGNIFICANT OUTCOMES, AND POLICY CHANGES. I AM STATING THAT AS A AS A CAPABILITY FOR TRANSPARENCY, NOT AS A NEW REPORTING REQUIREMENT BEING REQUESTED. AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AGAIN THAT THE REPORT THAT I JUST MENTIONED, THE ANNUAL REPORT, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO BEGIN IN THE FUTURE IF REQUESTED. WE ARE ALSO WORKING ON TRANSPARENCY PORTAL THROUGH BOTH OF OUR PLATFORMS, AXON AND FLOCK. SO TO PUT IT ON THE PUBLIC FACING SIDE OF OUR OF THE CITY'S WEBSITE SO THAT THE CITIZENS CAN GO TO AND SEE WHAT INFORMATION IS THERE. THAT AND THE IDEA OF AN ANNUAL REPORT IS GOOD GIVEN GIVEN THE CONTROVERSY THAT SURROUNDS US RIGHT NOW, HOW SOON WOULD IT BE FEASIBLE? SOMETIME SHORT OF A YEAR THAT WE COULD GET OUR FIRST REPORT? THIS IS JUST AN ESTIMATE. HE'S ASKING HOW SOON CAN WE GET THAT FIRST REPORT? SIR, I DON'T WANT TO HOLD MYSELF SINCE WE'VE NEVER DONE IT. BUT I BELIEVE THAT SIX MONTHS MAY ABSOLUTELY. WITHIN SIX MONTHS, I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT I THINK THE BEST BET WOULD BE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, SO THAT WE CAN CALCULATE AN ENTIRE FISCAL YEAR. SO WE ACTUALLY DO THE ANNUAL REPORT TO YOU ALL IN JANUARY, JANUARY. SO WE COULD INCLUDE THAT WITH OUR ANNUAL REPORT. THANK YOU MAYOR. THAT'S WHERE I WAS KIND OF GOING ALONG WITH. THERE'S AN ANNUAL REPORT THAT'S THAT'S DONE. YES. AND STUFF. BUT I WAS WONDERING TOO, IF THAT WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO BECOME PART OF THAT REPORT, OR IS IT JUST AN ADDITIONAL. AND THAT WAS THE IDEA THAT WE HAD, WAS TO ADD IT TO OUR ANNUAL REPORT. YES, MA'AM. ONE OTHER NOTE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. SO I'M HEARING THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET AN ANNUAL REPORT. I'M IN FAVOR OF HAVING AN ANNUAL REPORT. BUT WHAT GOOD IS A REPORT IF YOU CAN'T PROVIDE THE DATA? IF YOU SAY THAT THE DATA THAT WE'RE REQUESTING IS TOO MANUAL TO BE ABLE TO PULL. SO WHAT DATA WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE ANNUAL REPORT? THE DATA IS TO ME AND SOME OF MY QUESTIONS I ASKED ABOUT HOW MANY INVESTIGATIONS HAVE THE AL HAS THE FLOCK CAMERA ASSISTED WITH? WHAT CRIMES HAVE BEEN SOLVED WITH THE FLOCK CAMERA? AND THE RESPONSE WAS, IS TO MANUAL OF A PROCESS TO PROVIDE THAT DATA. SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO PROVIDE DATA IN AN ANNUAL REPORT, HOW WILL YOU GATHER THE DATA? WELL, AND MAYBE I SHOULD ASK HOW. CITY MANAGER LET ME REPHRASE THIS. WE MAY WANT TO CONSIDER THAT QUESTION. YEAH, I'LL JUST PUT IT THAT WAY. SO AND I BELIEVE COULD YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE. I THINK IT WAS ON THERE THE ANNUAL REPORT. AND I HAVE IT HERE. I, I PROVIDED A LIST OF WHAT WE CAN PROVIDE IN THE ANNUAL REPORT, WHICH IS THE SYSTEM INVENTORY RETENTION, USAGE, SHARING, AUDIT ACTIVITY, SIGNIFICANT OUTCOMES AND POLICY CHANGES. SO WHAT I AND THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU WERE PROVIDED, WHERE IT'S MANUAL THAT'S ACTUALLY PULLING HISTORICAL INFORMATION OUT OF OUR OUR CURRENT CAD SYSTEM AND OUT OF OUR LEGACY CAD SYSTEM. SO I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO DO. WE JUST HAVEN'T DONE IT YET. SO I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT. WE DO KEEP A SPREADSHEET OF THE NUMBER OF TIMES THAT THE ALPR HAS BENEFITED OR BEEN USED IN INVESTIGATIONS, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AN ALL INCLUSIVE. I WOULD I WOULD GO TO TELL YOU THAT IF A VEHICLE IF OUR OFFICERS ARE RESPONDING TO A CALL FOR SERVICE AND A VEHICLE IS INVOLVED IN ANY WAY, GENERALLY THAT LICENSE PLATE HAS BEEN IS BEING SEARCHED ON FLOCK TO ESTABLISH A AN INVESTIGATIVE LEAD. I DON'T WANT TO EXHAUST IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. DAVIS. JUST A QUESTION FOR YOU. YOU KNOW, THIS IS A THIS IS AN EVOLVING AND NEW FRONTIER OF POLICING. 
          AND AS OUR AS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST ANOTHER TOOL. IN THE TOOL BELT TO, TO DEAL WITH POLICING. MY QUESTION IS, HOW ARE RESIDENTS OR INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE ISSUE WITH HOW THIS PLAYS OUT IN THEIR POLICING EXPERIENCE? HOW ARE THEY ABLE TO RAISE THEIR CONCERNS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? WHEN WE LOOK AT PERFORMANCE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS? YEAH, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU ASKING THAT QUESTION. I WAS THINKING ABOUT IT WHEN CHIEF WAS TALKING ABOUT OUR EDUCATION PROGRAM AND INITIATIVE, THAT WE'RE GOING TO START WORKING ON ONE, ONE PROBLEM. ONE THING THAT I SEE, AND I MEAN, IT'S IT'S A PROBLEM ACROSS THE NATION, BUT ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS BETWEEN THE POLICE AND THE CITIZENS IS THERE'S NOT A TWO WAY COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THEM READILY AVAILABLE. SO A LOT OF THE TIMES, THE CONCERNS THAT 
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CITIZENS HAVE, THEY'RE COMING TO THE THE PUBLIC MEETINGS AND SPEAKING UP THERE. AND, YOU KNOW, AT THOSE PUBLIC MEETINGS, WE'RE NOT READILY AVAILABLE TO RESPOND TO THEM. SO FINDING THAT PLACE OF HAVING A MEETING, A COMMUNITY MEETING WHERE THE THE POLICE ADMINISTRATIONS THERE AND CITIZENS ARE THERE AND FREELY ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE BEST WAY TO GO. I THINK THAT I'LL JUST MENTION JUST, JUST FOR FREE. I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IN, IN CITIES AND ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE TRYING TO DO THEIR BEST JOB AT POLICING, THEY HAVE A VENUE AND A PROCESS THROUGH WHICH RESIDENTS WHO HAVE EXPERIENCES WITH POLICE, GOOD, BAD OR OTHERWISE ARE ABLE TO BRING THOSE FORWARD AND ARE GUARANTEED SOME SORT. AND I DON'T THINK IT'S MOST APPROPRIATE FOR THEM TO BE PUBLIC SPEAKERS BECAUSE SO, SO OFTEN WE'RE NOT INVOLVED IN THE OPERATIONAL ASPECT OF THEIR POLICING EXPERIENCE, AND YOU ALL ARE NOT POISED AND READY OR PREPARED TO RESPOND TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT THOSE PARTICULARS ARE. SO I JUST THINK AS WE THINK ABOUT THE EDUCATIONAL COMPONENT, AS WE THINK ABOUT COMMUNITY POLICING, WHICH HOPEFULLY IS ALWAYS A PART OF OUR MIND, WE'RE ALSO THINKING ABOUT HOW DO WE ALLOW FOR RESIDENTS TO BE ABLE TO SHARE WITH US IN A, IN A ACTIONABLE WAY, THEIR POLICING EXPERIENCE, BE IT VIS A VIS THE FLOCK CAMERA ISSUE OR ANY OTHER ISSUE. I THINK THAT THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT HAS TO BE A PART OF OUR POLICING STRATEGY AND APPROACH. AND I JUST THINK THAT THIS ILLUMINATES YET ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO DO THIS BECAUSE SO OFTEN IN POLICING ISSUES, WE SEE IT COME FROM A CERTAIN ANGLE OR A CERTAIN CONSTITUENCY OF PEOPLE. BUT I THINK THIS BROADLY EXPLAINS THAT WE HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS IT WHOLESALE. SO I JUST WANT TO OFFER THAT TO YOU ALL. AS WE LOOK AT ANNUAL REPORTING AND ALL THE OTHER MECHANISMS THAT MAKE US BETTER AT WHAT WE DO. 
          YES, SIR. I, I DON'T WANT YOU TO MISUNDERSTAND ME THAT WE DON'T WE DON'T HAVE A WAY FOR CITIZENS TO, TO SUBMIT COMPLAINTS OR COMPLIMENTS OR CONCERNS. WE HAVE WE HAVE NUMEROUS WAYS THAT WE THEY CAN SUBMIT THAT FEEDBACK. AND, AND WE DO GET THAT THOSE QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS FROM THEM IN ADDITION TO REVIEW, LIKE TO ALLOW CITIZENS TO REVIEW THEIR THEIR EXPERIENCE DURING LAW ENFORCEMENT CONTACT. SURE. OUR OUR TICKETS, THEY'RE THEY'RE ALLOWED TO SUBMIT SURVEYS AS MY COMMENT. I THINK THAT THIS IS JUST ANOTHER COMPONENT OF THAT, THAT WE HAVE TO PLAN FOR AND CONTEMPLATE IN HOW WE PROGRAM AND EDUCATE. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. COMES. WHAT ABOUT OUT OF TIME? I THINK TOWN HALL CAME TO MIND. IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING. YES, SIR. AND SO I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA TO ALLOW THAT EXCHANGE BETWEEN YOU GUYS AND THE PUBLIC. AND FOR THERE TO BE THAT THAT BACK AND FORTH. AND THEN I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION AND THE INFORMATION BECAUSE I, I TRY MY BEST NOT TO WATCH THE NEWS AND I TRY MY BEST NOT TO, TO TUNE OUT WHAT, WHAT THE MEDIA IS FILTERING THE INFORMATION, THE MEDIA IS FILTERING TO ME. SO A LOT OF THIS, IT'S ACTUALLY RELATIVELY NEW TO ME. AND SO I APPRECIATE JUST GETTING SOME FACTS AND INFORMATION. AND, YOU KNOW, JUST AS A REMINDER THAT THIS COUNCIL, I THINK MAYBE MINUS MR. DAVIS, APPROVED THE. 
          ALLOWING FOR THE GRANT TO BE APPLIED FOR THE FIRST. BUT YEAH, YOU WEREN'T JUST GOING IN THERE. 
          BUT SO, YOU KNOW, WE ARE WE APPROVED. YOU KNOW, WE HAD THE PRESENTATION BEFORE ALREADY BEFORE IT BECAME A HOT TOPIC. AND WE ACTUALLY DID APPROVE, YOU KNOW, THEM TO APPLY FOR THE GRANT IN THE FIRST PLACE. SO THAT'S JUST, JUST A REMINDER. AND SO WHAT, WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW IS JUST ACCEPTING GRANT THAT THEY APPLIED FOR AS WE LOOK AROUND THE COUNTRY AND WE SEE, WE SEE THE TECHNICAL QUESTIONS THAT ARE COMING UP REGARDING AI REGARDING DATA CENTER REGARDING THIS TECHNOLOGY. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY COULD HAVE ANTICIPATED HOW QUICKLY THIS TECHNOLOGY WAS COMING AND UP FRONT IN OUR LIVES. AND NOW THERE'S QUESTIONS. SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF EDUCATING THE PUBLIC. AND THAT'S WHAT THEIR PLANS ARE, IS TO HAVE THESE REGULAR MEETINGS WITH THE PUBLIC TO KEEP THEM UPDATED. AND I THINK IT'LL WORK OUT IN THE LONG RUN. BUT THERE'S SOME SOME BUGS THAT WERE FOUND AND IT'S ALL BEING ADDRESSED. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE Y'ALL ARE DOING A GOOD JOB OF STAYING AHEAD OF IT. SO THANK YOU. IT'S JUST A QUICK ADDITION TO THAT BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT THE TECHNOLOGY THAT THAT IS EVOLVING FAR FASTER THAN ANY OF US CAN, CAN KEEP UP WITH. I MEAN, IT'S EVOLVING SO FAST AND WE ARE HAVING TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS WITH THE TECH IS PRESENTED TO US. SO AGAIN, I APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, ANY INFORMATION THAT WE CAN GET, YOU KNOW, AS WE'RE MAKING DECISIONS, BUT BEING AWARE OF THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE TECHNOLOGY IS ALREADY WAY AHEAD. 
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WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR THE AUDITS AND THE REVIEWS, ALLOWING THE AI TO DO THAT. 
          EVERYBODY HEARD OF SKYNET. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE HEADED WITH THIS. AND SO I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP SOME CONTROL OF IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IF I MIGHT ADD ONE. ONE MORE THING, MR. DAVIS, YOU HAD MENTIONED ABOUT THE NEW TECHNOLOGY AND ALL THAT. AND I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT, AND IT'S NOT AN ARGUMENT THAT ANYTHING BUT LICENSE PLATE READING TECHNOLOGY HAS BEEN AROUND FOR YEARS. IT'S BEEN IN THE LAW ENFORCEMENT FOR 20 PLUS YEARS. IT'S JUST EVOLVED INTO A WAY TO GET IT AROUND MUCH EASIER. AND IT'S BECOME A FOCAL POINT FOR A LOT OF. I GOT A TICKET AT A RED LIGHT CAMERA A LONG TIME. I KNOW, SO I, I'M, I'M FULLY AWARE THIS IS A NEW FRONTIER OF POLICING. I DON'T WANT MY POINT LOST BECAUSE I'M NOT HERE TO QUIBBLE. I'M JUST HERE TO SAY THIS IS A NEW FRONTIER OF POLICING. SO WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CONTEMPLATE IT AS WE DO, JUST LIKE ON THE BACK OF YOUR TICKET, ALL THE OTHER MECHANISMS IN TERMS OF ANNUAL REPORTING AND HOW WE HANDLE THAT, THAT HAS TO BE A PART OF IT. OTHERWISE, THAT THING YOU TALKED ABOUT, THAT T WORD WITH THE COMMUNITY TRUST, YOU NEVER GET THERE. CORRECT. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU SIR. WOULD YOU TAKE CARE OF THAT TICKET? I DID? IT SHOWED ME TURNING RIGHT THREE TIMES. MR. DAVIS PUBLIC WORKS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTRIBUTION TO OUR. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL. OKAY. WE GOT WE GOT A DECISION TO MAKE HERE. WE'RE ALREADY OVER TIME, BUT I THINK THAT ONE OF THESE. IN PARTICULAR THE EXECUTIVE SESSIONS WE SHOULD GO AHEAD AND AND DEAL WITH IF WE WANT TO HOLD OFF ON THE SECOND ONE, WE CAN PUSH THAT TO THE END OF THE MEETING. ALL RIGHT. ARE YOU. YEAH. YOU HAVE TO YOU HAVE THE AMENDED AGENDA TO. THIS ONE. YES. DON'T FORGET YOU HAVE THE SUPPLEMENTAL. YEAH. 
          WELL, WE GOT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO A, A, A ON THE SUPPLEMENTAL AND BE ON THE, THE, THE FIRST ONE. OKAY. OKAY. SO WE'RE GOING TO GET THOSE, BOTH OF THOSE DONE AND A, ON THE, ON THE FIRST AGENDA IS GOING TO HAVE TO HOLD OFF TILL THE END OF THE MEETING. OKAY. OKAY. 
          [EXECUTIVE SESSION (Part 1 of 2)]
EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT? SO WE WILL NOW RECESS FROM OUR WORK SESSION AT 7:03 P.M. AND. ROO IN GET STARTED. YEAH. OKAY. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. AND THANK YOU FOR 
          [CALL TO ORDER]
YOUR PATIENCE. WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED AT OPEN OUR MEETING AT 7:34 P.M. 
          AND GET RIGHT INTO OUR CALL TO ORDER. FIRST UP, OUR INVOCATION WITH JAIME. ANDRADE CENTRO FAMILIAR CRISTIANO CHURCH. YES, SIR. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. 
          THANK YOU PASTOR. PLEASE JOIN US IN OUR PLEDGES TO OUR FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE. HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE. TEXAS. ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. THANK YOU. OKAY. ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE. WE'RE GOING TO GO 
          [4.A. Mayor and Council Reports on Recent and Upcoming events ]
AHEAD AND GO INTO OUR REPORTS, MAYOR AND COUNCIL REPORTS. AND I'LL START BY JUST REVIEWING SOME OF THE GREAT EVENTS THAT WE HAD THIS WEEK. WE HAD A WONDERFUL TIME AT OUR CHAMBER CHILI COOK OFF SATURDAY AND SUNDAY. I WAS ONLY OUT THERE SATURDAY, BUT TWO DAYS OF CHILI WOULD HAVE BEEN SOME HEARTBURN. SO. BUT I UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING WENT REALLY WELL, AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE EFFORTS THAT ALL THE PEOPLE. MISTER PENNEBAKER AND HIS WIFE, JENNIFER, AND THE REST OF THE CHAMBER PUT INTO CREATING THE EVENT. AND IT WAS IN LARGE PART 
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A. IN MEMORY OF STEVE MARTIN, WHO HELD A MEMORABLE RECOGNITION OF NINE OVER 11 FOR 24 YEARS. AND AFTER HIS PASSING, I'M GLAD TO SEE PEOPLE HAVE STEPPED UP TO TAKE OVER, GIVING THE FOLKS IN OUR CITY THE OPPORTUNITY TO ATTEND AND SHOW RESPECT FOR THAT TRAGIC DAY ALSO. LIKEWISE, I WANT TO THANK MR. VERA CRUZ, COUNCILMAN VERA CRUZ AND THE ROTARY CLUB FOR ALSO CONTINUING BY WORKING WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO CREATE A 911 EVENT HERE IN DUNCANVILLE THAT WAS VERY WELL ATTENDED, VERY WELL ORGANIZED. I THINK HE WAS A NERVOUS WRECK, BUT BUT HE PRESENTED WELL AND IT WAS A IT WAS A GREAT EVENT. THAT JUST SHOWS OUR COMMUNITY SPIRIT AND OUR COMMUNITY SUPPORT FOR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, RECOGNIZING THE SOULS THAT WERE LOST IN 2001. AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE WE SHOULD NEVER FORGET. AND SO CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL FOR PUTTING ON THOSE EVENTS. THEY WERE WONDERFUL EVENTS. I DON'T SEE MISS HANLEY HERE, AND SHE GETS EMBARRASSED WHEN I DO THIS, BUT I WANT TO GIVE HER KUDOS. AND THE PARKS DEPARTMENT AND ALL THE VOLUNTEERS THAT PARTICIPATE IN PUTTING TOGETHER OUR HISPANIC HERITAGE MONTH EVENT. HE SEEMED TO HOLD BACK THE THE CROWD A LITTLE BIT. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE A GOOD TIME, GOOD FOOD. WE HAD A LOT OF REALLY GOOD SPONSORS IN THE TENT FOR REALLY GOOD FOOD, MAYBE TOO MUCH, BUT GOOD MUSIC, GOOD BANDS. AND AS ONE PERSON SAID TO ME, MY WIFE AND I PLANNED ON LEAVING A LITTLE BIT EARLY BECAUSE OF THE HEAT. WE STAYED TILL 930 AND IF YOU SEE ANY VIDEOS AND THE VIDEOS ARE KIND OF SHAKY, OUR CAMERAMAN GOT WRAPPED UP IN THE DANCE MUSIC WHILE HE WAS FILMING, AND SO THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK A LITTLE SHAKY, BUT HE WAS HAVING A GOOD TIME. WE ALL WE ALL WERE. BUT SOMEONE LEANED OVER TO ME AND MENTIONED TO ME HOW IMPORTANT HE THOUGHT IT WAS TO SEE SO MANY PEOPLE SO HAPPY AND ENGAGED WITH THE PARTICULAR BAND. I THINK THEY WERE CALLED THE EASY BAND OUT OF HOUSTON. IT WAS REALLY ENTERTAINING. SO THANKS TO EVERYONE THAT'S INVOLVED IN THAT GREAT EVENT. IT'S JUST ANOTHER SYMBOL OF WHAT DUNCANVILLE IS ALL ABOUT AND, AND SPREADING OUR, OUR ATTENTION TO OUR DIFFERENT DIVERSITY IN THIS, IN THIS CITY. 
          WITH THAT, WE HAVE LIGHTS ON FOR COUNCIL MEMBER REPORTS. COUNCILMAN PENNEBAKER. THANK YOU. MAYOR. UNFORTUNATELY, BECAUSE OF THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE CHILI COOKOFF, I WAS NOT ABLE TO ATTEND THE THE CITY EVENT. HOWEVER, WE SCHEDULED OUR EVENT SIX MONTHS IN ADVANCE AND ABOUT A MONTH LATER I FOUND OUT ABOUT OUR EVENT. HOWEVER, IT WAS AN INCREDIBLE EVENT. IT WAS OUR FIRST TIME TO HOLD IT. ITS INAUGURAL STEVE MARTIN CHILI COOKOFF, AND IT WAS SUPPORTING IN SUPPORT OF OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, AND I DON'T WANT TO GO INTO IT TOO MUCH, BUT WHAT HAPPENED? IT WAS A THREE TWO A DAY AND A HALF EVENT. WE HAD THREE DIFFERENT CHILI COOK OFFS. WE HAD A BAND, CROW TEX, WHO HAD WON THE BATTLE OF THE BANDS AT THE BLOOM FEST. EVERYONE LOVED THEM. WE HAD A FAMOUS GOAT PEANUT, WHO WAS A TIKTOK ACCOUNT, MADE A LOT OF SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS WHILE HE WAS OUT THERE. BUT THE ONE THING THAT I'M HAPPY FOR AND PROUD OF IS, IS THE, THE HONOR THAT THIS IS STEVE MARTIN AND I CAN ANNOUNCE AND I CAN ANNOUNCE, ANNOUNCE A DOLLAR AMOUNTS. BUT OUT OF THE PROCEEDS, THE CHAMBER WILL BE DONATING TO BOTH THE FIRE AND POLICE ASSOCIATIONS OF DUNCANVILLE FROM SOME OF THOSE PROCEEDS. SO WE'RE REAL HAPPY ABOUT THAT. OKAY. MR. MCBURNETT, THANK YOU, MAYOR, I'M REPEATING SOME OF THE SAME THINGS, BUT I WANT TO FIRST TALK ABOUT GREG ZYLKA, WHO RECENTLY HAD A BIRTHDAY. HE IS IS GOING THROUGH SOME CHALLENGES, BUT HE HAD ANOTHER BIRTHDAY. SO CONGRATULATIONS TO HIM FOR FOR DOING THAT. HE SERVED THE CITY WELL ON VARIOUS DIFFERENT BOARDS. ALSO, OUR FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY HAD A A SALE. AND SO I'M ALWAYS PLEASED WHEN THEY'VE DONE THAT. ALSO, THE NINE OVER 11 EVENT MAYOR, I AGREE IT WAS A JOB WELL DONE, THE CHAMBER CHILI COOK OFF. I ALSO JUST WANT TO. IT WAS IT WAS AGAIN OUTSTANDING EVENT. 
          PENNEBAKER'S. CONGRATULATIONS. BUT TODAY IS ACTUALLY STEVE MARTIN'S BIRTHDAY. SO SO IT'S 
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ALL FITTING AROUND THAT AREA. OUR FESTIVAL DE LAS AMERICAS VERY, VERY WELL DONE EVENT AS WELL. ALSO ON A ASK FOR PRAYERS FOR THE FAMILY OF DOCTOR FREDERICK SIMMONS. HE WAS THE DOCTOR HERE IN DUNCANVILLE FOR PROBABLY LIKE 50 YEARS AND STUFF. HE WAS MY DAD'S DOCTOR. 
          HE WAS MY DOCTOR. HE, HE, HE'S GOT KIDS THAT ARE DOING DOCTORS. RIGHT. KYLE YOU WENT TO HIM AS WELL TOO, RIGHT. BUT HE HE RECENTLY PASSED AWAY AT 91 YEARS OLD. BUT THAT MAN. JUST WAS A TRIBUTE TO THE MEDICAL COMMUNITY IN DUNCANVILLE. AND AND I WILL CREDIT HIM FOR HELPING ME LIVE LONGER THAN IN MY LIFE. BUT WE HAVE UPCOMING EVENTS TOO, SO DUNCAN SWITCH IS COMING UP. ALSO OUR LINES. WE DO A THING THAT'S CALLED A BUILD A BED AND SO WE HELP MAKE BEDS. THERE WAS A BILL TO BED BUILD NATIONWIDE LAST YEAR. WE BUILT. OVERALL, THE GOAL WAS TO BUILD 12000 BEDS, BUT GET KIDS OFF THE FLOOR AND INTO BEDS AND STUFF. HOLY SPIRIT'S HAVING THEIR FALL FESTIVAL THIS UPCOMING WEEKEND, AND ALSO THE BEST SOUTHWEST IS HAVING THEIR HISPANIC FESTIVAL. DUNCANVILLE, OF COURSE, IS ALWAYS THE BETTER FESTIVAL, BUT THEY'RE HAVING ONE THAT'LL BE REGION WIDE AND IT'S IN CEDAR HILL. PEOPLE GO. AND ALSO I HAVE A CONSTITUENT NAMED ALICIA SMITH THAT HAS A GARAGE SALE AT THIS TIME AND STUFF. AND IF YOU WANT TO SEE A GARAGE SALE OF GARAGE SALES, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S ONE TO GO SEE. AND THEN LASTLY, THE, THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE IS HAVING THEIR CASINO NIGHT ON THE 10TH OF OCTOBER. THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU, MR. VERACRUZ. THANK YOU. MAYOR, JUST JUST WANT TO SAY THANKS TO OUR CITY INTERIM CITY MANAGER AND STAFF FOR OUR NINE OVER 11 REMEMBRANCE PROJECT SPONSORED BY THE ROTARY CLUB OF DUNCANVILLE. AND I JUST WANT TO THANK MISS JENNIFER OTAY OVER THERE FOR SINGING OUR NATIONAL ANTHEM AND JUST JUST STARTING STARTING US OFF IN THE IN A GREAT MOOD AND THANKING THE DUNCANVILLE JUNIOR ROTC FOR PRESENTING THE COLORS. AND OF COURSE, I WANT TO THANK OUR FIRE STATION 271 AND CREW FOR HOSTING THE WHOLE THING. AND OF COURSE, OUR FANTASTIC WORLD CLASS PRESENTERS, CHIEF WILCOX AND CHIEF CONNEALY. AND THEN OF COURSE, OUR SPONSORS ARE DUNCANVILLE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, CITY VIEW TACOS AND ABSOLUTE LOGO FACTORY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY, MR. KOONTZ. THANK YOU. MAYOR. FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANTED TO ANNOUNCE THAT AS A PART OF A BROADER CITY WIDE HEALTH AND WELLNESS INITIATIVE THIS SATURDAY, THERE'LL BE THE INAUGURAL INAUGURAL MEETUP OF THE DUNCANVILLE KIDS BIKE CLUB. 
          AND SO IF YOU'VE GOT KIDS AND THEY KNOW HOW TO RIDE A BIKE, OR THEY WANT TO LEARN HOW TO RIDE A BIKE, WE'LL BE MEETING AT LIONS PARK ON SATURDAY AT 530, SO THAT'LL BE THIS SATURDAY, THE DUNCANVILLE KIDS BIKE CLUB. AND AGAIN, THAT'S PART OF A LARGER, BROADER CITY WIDE HEALTH AND WELLNESS INITIATIVE THAT MYSELF AND SOME CITIZENS ARE WORKING ON. AND THEN COUNCIL MEMBER MCBURNETT MENTIONED THE FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY BOOK SALE THAT HAPPENED THIS PAST SATURDAY. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE SOME STATISTICS FROM THAT. SO IT'S A THREE DAY SALE. ON THURSDAY, THEY SOLD ABOUT $1,000 WORTH OF BOOKS. AND THEN ON FRIDAY, A LITTLE OVER 1300 OR $1300 ON FRIDAY, AND THEN ABOUT $650 ON SATURDAY, TOTALING TO ABOUT $3,000. AND THOSE FUNDS GO TOWARD SUPPORTING THE LIBRARY SERVICES AND LIBRARY PROGRAMING. 
          AND SO WE WANT TO EXPRESS OUR APPRECIATION FOR ALL THE VOLUNTEERS AND THE FRIENDS THAT IT'S A MAJOR OPERATION MOVING ALL THOSE BOOKS AROUND, AND IT GOES TOWARD A GOOD CAUSE. AND IF YOU MISSED THE THE ANNUAL SALE THIS PAST SATURDAY, THEN THEY DO HAVE AN ONGOING SALE THAT'S IN THE LIBRARY, IN THE LOBBY. AND SO IF YOU WANT TO, YOU KNOW, SUPPORT THE FRIENDS THAT WAY, THEN YOU CAN ALWAYS PICK UP A BOOK IN, IN THE DUNCANVILLE LOBBY. SO AT THE LIBRARY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY, NOW WE MOVE ON TO ITEM FOUR C OR I'M SORRY, 
          [4.B. City Manager Reports, Project Updates, Future Agendas, and Direction from  Work Session. ]
FOUR B CITY MANAGER REPORTS. YES. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF UPDATES. THE CEDAR RIDGE ROAD PROJECT FROM MID DALE TO CAMP WISDOM ROAD HAD BEEN STOPPED. STOPPED BECAUSE WE HAD SOME CONCERNS ON ON THE WORK DONE ON THE SEWER. HOWEVER, AFTER MEETING WITH THE CONTRACTOR GETTING UPDATED OPERATIONAL PLANS, THAT PROJECT HAS RESUMED AND IS UNDERWAY. SO RIGHT NOW THERE'LL ALWAYS WILL BE ONE LANE EACH WAY, NORTH AND 
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SOUTHBOUND THAT WILL REMAIN CLOSED DURING BUSINESS HOURS. YOU WILL SEE SOME CHANGES IN LANE TRAFFIC, BUT WHEN WHEN THEY'RE NOT WORKING, IT'LL JUST BE, AS I MENTIONED, THOSE JUST THOSE OUTER OUTER LANES WILL BE CLOSED FOR THE TIME BEING. AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO KEEP THE PUBLIC UPDATED ON THEIR PROGRESS. I AM HAPPY TO ANNOUNCE THAT THE DUNCANVILLE PUBLIC LIBRARY HAS MET ALL THEIR MINIMUM ACCREDITATION CRITERIA AND WILL BE FULLY QUALIFIED MEMBERS OF THE TEXAS STATE LIBRARY FOR FISCAL YEAR 2027. THAT'S SEPTEMBER 1ST OF THIS YEAR TO AUGUST 21ST OF 2027. SO REALLY JUST WANT TO CONGRATULATE OUR LIBRARY TEAM ON THAT, ON THAT CONTINUED ACCOMPLISH ACCOMPLISHMENT. ALSO JUST KIND OF ECHOING WHAT EVERYBODY SAID, JUST WANT TO THANK STAFF FOR THEIR, THEIR, THEIR WORK ON THE NINE OVER 11 EVENT, AS WELL AS FESTIVAL DE LA AMERICAS. I APPRECIATE THEIR WORK. AND BOTH EVENTS WERE, WERE, WERE, WERE VERY, VERY WELL RECEIVED AND, AND REALLY GOOD. AND THEN I ALSO WANT TO RECOGNIZE REAL QUICKLY CHIEF CHRIS KENNEALY, HE HAS ANNOUNCED HIS RETIREMENT FROM THE DUNCANVILLE FIRE DEPARTMENT AFTER TWO YEARS. HE IS WITH US FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE WEEK. 
          AND I JUST THANK CHIEF KENNEALY FOR HIS SERVICE AND APPRECIATE HIS HIS HIS TIME HERE AND HE WILL BE MISSED. SO THANK YOU CHIEF KENNEALY FOR YOUR SERVICE. AND WITH THAT, THAT THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT. THANK YOU. OKAY. ITEM FOUR C PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENTS CONCERNING ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST. I DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING FOR THAT ITEM, BUT IF ANYBODY ELSE DOES, THEY CAN SPEAK AT THIS TIME. BUT. THERE WAS UNUSUAL LANGUAGE IN THERE. 
          BUT IF. ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON. ITEM FIVE. NO PROCLAMATIONS OR PRESENTATIONS. 
          [6. CITIZENS' INPUT ]
NO. ALL RIGHT, CITIZENS, INPUT ITEM SIX. WE HAVE ONE EMAIL COMMENT THAT HAS BEEN A COPY HAS BEEN GIVEN TO EACH OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS. START WE HAVE WESLEY JAMISON. OKAY. VICKI. 
          TEMPER. YES. ARE WE ALL. BUT I WANT TO START OUT BY THANKING YOU, MAYOR, AND THANKING MY COUNCILMAN, JOE, BECAUSE YOU GOT THOSE DRONES FOR THE POLICE AND THE FIRE. AND I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT A WHILE, HAVEN'T I? SO DO WE. CAN WE GET YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE? OH, VICKI TAMPA, 1307 HIGH RIDGE DRIVE, DUNCANVILLE, TEXAS, 75137. OKAY. IS IT MIKE ON OKAY. 
          YES. CAN YOU HEAR ME? I'LL TALK LOUDER. DID YOU HEAR ME? YES, MA'AM, I THANKED YOU. I GOT THAT PART. I WANT YOU TO KNOW. WELL, THANK YOU, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN WANTING THAT A LONG TIME FOR OUR POLICE AND FIRE BECAUSE THEY'RE EXCELLENT. AND I'M VERY PROUD OF THEM. AND I GOT TO MEET THE MOTORCYCLE POLICEMAN, AND WE GOT ANOTHER ONE. AND I GOT TO MEET THE MARSHAL. AND I'VE NEVER MET A MARSHAL. I REALLY THANK Y'ALL FOR ALL THAT. AND I WANT TO TELL YOU, WE WE REALLY NEED TO GET THOSE HOODLUMS OVER THERE ON WEST DANIEL DALE AND CLARK ROAD BECAUSE THEY'RE STILL RACING ON THE WEEKENDS. I KNOW Y'ALL CAN'T BE OUT THERE ALL THE TIME, BUT THEY'RE STILL DOING IT. AND SO THANK YOU FOR CUTTING IT IN HALF. BUT WE STILL GOT SOME HOODLUMS FROM THAT DALLAS SECTION COMING OVER HERE, AND THEY DON'T LIVE HERE. BUT THE REASON I'M HERE IS I DON'T WANT THOSE TRASH BINS AND I WANT THE SACKS BECAUSE MY HUSBAND FELL BACKWARD THROUGH THE WALL AND BROKE HIS RIBS IN HIS FOOT, AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT GOT HIM OUT OF THE SHOWER WHEN HE FELL. SO I MET AND I HAVE TWO SLIPPED DISCS IN MY NECK AND I. I CAN'T DO IT. I CAN'T DO THAT, BEN. I DON'T HAVE ANY PLACE TO STORE IT. AND IT'S GOING TO BRING RATS. AND, YOU KNOW, EVERYWHERE I GO, I SEE THOSE RAT THINGS IN FRONT OF RESTAURANTS. SO I ASKED, WHY DO THEY HAVE ALL THOSE? DO WE HAVE RATS? WELL, APPARENTLY IT'S A RULE. SO 
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THANK YOU FOR THE RULE. BUT I DON'T WANT MOSQUITOES AND RATS AND STINKY, SMELLY IN ONE WEEK AND A BIG TALL BIN. AND I LIVE ON A DRIVEWAY THAT YOU GOT TO GO DOWN AND THERE'S NO PLACE TO PUT IT. SO PLEASE DON'T DO IT. AND I KNOW YOU. YOU'RE GOING TO HELP US NOT DO IT. SO THANK YOU, THANK YOU. CALEB FERGUSON. GOOD EVENING COUNCIL. MY NAME IS CALEB FERGUSON AND I'M A DUNCANVILLE RESIDENT. AGENDA. AGENDA ITEM EIGHT B TONIGHT PROPOSES A $780,000 CONTRACT WITH AXON FOR TEN OF THEIR OUTPOST, ALPERS, TWO OF THEIR AIR DRONES AND ALL THE SOFT AI SOFTWARE AND INFRASTRUCTURE TO TRACK AND SURVEIL EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THE CITY. AXON GOT THEIR FAME MAKING BODY CAMERAS, AND I THINK THAT THESE ARE OBJECTIVELY GOOD. THEY PROMOTE ACCOUNTABILITY AND HAVE DONE A LOT FOR SAFETY AND ACCOUNTABILITY OF BOTH THE PUBLIC AND OFFICERS ALIKE. THE SAME CANNOT BE SAID ABOUT ALPERS AND AI POWERED TRACKING DRONES. THESE DEVICES CONSTANTLY SURVEIL US WITHOUT A WARRANT, AND THERE'S LITTLE TO NO ACCOUNTABILITY BEHIND THE SCREEN FOR WHEN THESE TECHNOLOGIES ARE INEVITABLY AND HAVE BEEN PROVEN TO BE MISUSED. AS AMERICANS, THE LAW SAYS WE ARE INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. THESE CAMERAS REVERSED THAT PRECEDENT AND ADD EVERYONE TO A DATABASE WHERE WE ARE TREATED AS CRIMINALS, AND WE ARE FORCED TO PROVE OUR OWN INNOCENCE. EVEN IF I AM NOT ON A HOT LIST, MY PLATE IS STILL LOGGED LIKE I'M A CRIMINAL. THE DATA IS KEPT FOR AT LEAST 30 DAYS TO EASILY HUNT ME DOWN EVERY TIME I DRIVE BY ONE. THAT ADDS ANOTHER DAY THAT I'M TREATED LIKE A CRIMINAL. TONIGHT. THIS IS BEING DONE UNDER THE GUISE OF STOPPING CATALYTIC CONVERTER THEFT. BUT WE ALL KNOW WHAT IT'S REALLY ABOUT. MASS SURVEILLANCE OF THE AMERICAN PUBLIC. AMERICA IS A FREE COUNTRY. THE GOVERNMENT IS TO SERVE THE PEOPLE. WE HAVE CERTAIN UNALIENABLE RIGHTS THAT THE CONSTITUTION IS SET UP TO PROTECT. WE THE PEOPLE, WILL USE OUR PROTECTED FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT TO PROTECT THE FOURTH. AND I PRAY THAT WE DO NOT NEED TO USE THE SECOND. BUT THAT'S WHAT IT'S THERE FOR TO FIGHT TYRANNY. THE CHOICE HERE IS CLEAR. DO WE GO DOWN A NEW DYSTOPIAN ROUTE THAT SPITS IN THE FACE OF WHAT OUR FOUNDING FATHERS FOUGHT FOR, OR DO WE RETURN TO THE ROOTS OF A COUNTRY THAT RESPECTS THE RIGHTS OF THE INDIVIDUAL? WE HAVE TO BE MINDFUL OF NOT JUST WHAT THIS TECHNOLOGY CAN DO TODAY, BUT WHAT IT MIGHT DO IN THE FUTURE. TODAY, YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ENSURE THAT GEORGE ORWELL'S 1984 REMAINS A WORK OF FICTION. SO DROP FLOC, DROP AXON, AND FOLLOW THE OVER 150 CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO CANCEL THEIR CONTRACTS AND OUTLAW MASS SURVEILLANCE. THANK YOU SIR. SIR, DID WE GET YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I'M SPEAKING ABOUT PRIVACY. MY NAME IS CALEB FERGUSON, AS I SAID, AND I DO NOT WISH TO GIVE MY ADDRESS TO A LIVE STREAM WHERE THE WHOLE WORLD CAN SEE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. MAY DE LA ROSA. MAY DE LA ROSA, 1107 ROCK SPRINGS ROAD. LET'S SEE IF I CAN FIND IT. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. 
          ONE NUMBER IN TONIGHT'S PRESENTATION ABOUT THE FLOCK CAMERAS CAUGHT MY ATTENTION. IT WAS SAID THAT IN JUST 31 DAYS, DUNCANVILLE SURVEILLANCE NETWORK WAS INCLUDED IN MORE THAN 432,000 SEARCHES. AMONG THEM, ONLY 1755 WERE PERFORMED BY DUNCANVILLE USERS. THAT MEANS THAT MORE THAN 431,000 WERE INITIATED BY OUTSIDE ORGANIZATIONS. REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THOSE SEARCHES RETRIEVED DATA. THESE STATISTICS DEMONSTRATE THE ENORMOUS NETWORK IN WHICH OUR SYSTEM PARTICIPATES. THE PRESENTATION SAID THAT DUNCANVILLE HAS 482 OUTGOING ORGANIZATION OR NETWORK RELATIONSHIPS. WHO ARE THEY? WHAT AGREEMENTS DO WE HAVE IN PLACE THAT GOVERN THEIR USE OF OUR DATA? WHAT HAPPENS WHEN AN OUTSIDE AGENCY CONDUCTS A SEARCH THAT MAY BE LAWFUL IN ITS JURISDICTION, BUT VIOLATES OUR POLICIES? CAN WE MONITOR THEIR USE? AND WHAT AUTHORITY DO WE HAVE TO ENFORCE OUR RULES? I APPRECIATE THAT DPD HAS PROPOSED SAFEGUARDS FOR WHICH YOUR APPROVAL IS PENDING. THE PROPOSED POLICY FOR 27 SAYS THE SEARCHES MUST MUST HAVE A LEGITIMATE LAW ENFORCEMENT PURPOSE OR LOGGED TO INDIVIDUAL USERS, AND MONTHLY AUDITS ARE PROPOSED. BUT I QUESTION WHETHER THESE SAFEGUARDS ARE SUFFICIENT. A POLICY PROHIBITING ABUSE ONLY PROTECTS US IF WE CAN DETECT VIOLATIONS PROMPTLY AND IMPOSE CONSEQUENCES. HOW DOES AN AUDITOR DETERMINE WHETHER THE STATED PURPOSE WAS ACTUALLY LEGITIMATE? THE POLICY REQUIRES CASE OR INCIDENT DOCUMENTATION WHEN ONE EXISTS. WHAT IS REQUIRED WHEN ONE DOESN'T IS THE PURPOSE INDEPENDENTLY VERIFIED? AND DOES OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT HAVE THE RESOURCES TO MEANINGFUL MEANINGFULLY AUDIT THIS ACTIVITY? GIVEN THAT THEY MAY NEED TO AUDIT AUDIT OVER 400 000 SEARCHES PER MONTH? I KNOW THAT WAS ADDRESSED BY USING YOU ALL SAID YOU WERE 
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GOING TO USE AI, AND THAT'S BASICALLY BASICALLY I JUST WANT YOU TO CONSIDER OF THE THE APPROVAL OF THE REVISED POLICY RELATED TO THE. I ECHO COUNCILMAN DAVIS'S REQUEST TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE OPPORTUNITY TO WRITE A POLICY THAT PROVIDES SAFEGUARDS FOR GOVERNANCE AND AUDITING MECHANISMS THAT ARE ADEQUATE TO PROTECT DUNCANVILLE. AND I ASK ALSO THAT YOU PUBLISH THE PENDING DRAFT OF THE APPROVAL SO THAT CITIZENS CAN REVIEW IT. 
          THANK YOU. MARK COOKS. MARK COOKS, 1106 BRADLEY DRIVE, DUNCANVILLE, TEXAS. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. MARK COOKS. AS YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN HERE SPEAKING BEFORE ON BEHALF OF OUR NEIGHBORS FOR DUNCANVILLE, DE SOTO AND CEDAR HILL AND DALLAS. AS I TALK ABOUT THIS, I'M OUT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE LIFE SCHOOL. THE LIFE SCHOOL IS NOT THE LIFE SCHOOL I'M SPEAKING OF, ABOUT THE LIFE SCHOOL. I'M SPEAKING OF THE STADIUM THAT WILL BE BUILT IN MY BACKYARD. TWO WORDS I'VE HEARD ALREADY TODAY IS COMMON COURTESY AND TRUST. WELL, WE'VE I KNOW, AND WHEN YOU WENT TO JUDGE TILLERY COURT, HE ASKED THE THE COUNCIL AND THE COUNCIL, THE ATTORNEY COUNSEL, AS WELL AS THE COUNCIL TO COME BACK TO SPEAK TO THE NEIGHBORS. 
          THAT IS NOT HAPPENED AS OF TODAY. WE ARE STILL WAITING TO HEAR THAT CONVERSATION, BUT YET IT APPEARS TO BE ON A SUPPLEMENT AGENDA ITEM FOR TONIGHT, WHICH INITIALLY THAT COUNCIL ME THE COURT DATE WAS TOMORROW. NOW I UNDERSTAND NOW IT'S BEEN SCHEDULED TO THE 22ND. 
          NO CALLS, NO RECOMMENDATION YET. YOU HELD A EXECUTIVE SESSION BEFORE WE GOT A CHANCE TO SPEAK. 
          SECONDLY, PLEASE NOTE THAT AS WE THINK ABOUT TRUST, AS WE THINK ABOUT COMMON COURTESY, ALL OF THOSE DATES WERE SET. WE'VE NOT HEARD BACK FROM ANYONE ABOUT THE STADIUM. AGAIN, THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE SCHOOL. IT'S ABOUT THE STADIUM. SO I ASK YOU, COUNCIL, IF YOU WHETHER YOU MADE AN EXECUTIVE DECISION ALREADY IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. THE POLICE NOTE THE PUBLIC IS WAITING TO HEAR BACK FROM YOU BEFORE YOU GO BACK TO THE COUNCIL. AND BEFORE YOU GO BACK TO THE JUDGE. HOWEVER, REGARDLESS, WE WILL APPEAR WITH THE JUDGE. EVEN IF IT'S ZOOM, WE WILL BE FILING A FORMAL COMPLAINT WITH THE JUDGE THAT WE'VE NOT HEARD ANYTHING BACK FROM THIS COUNCIL. I'M DISAPPOINTED IN THAT, AND I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD NOT ONLY MOVE THAT TO THE 22ND TO GET A CHANCE TO TALK TO THE NEIGHBORS, THAT TO OUR COMMUNITY, BUT YOU WOULD MOVE VERY SWIFTLY TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT COMMON TRUST, THAT COMMON COURTESY IS GIVEN TO EACH ONE OF US. THANK YOU. AND I HOPE YOU TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. EXCUSE ME. THOSE ARE ALL OTHER COMMENTS. ALL RIGHT. THAT CONCLUDES OUR CITIZENS INPUT SECTION FOR TONIGHT. NOW MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. I'LL 
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ASK IF WE HAVE A MOTION. SINCE THESE ITEMS WERE DISCUSSED IN BRIEFING. MOTION TO APPROVE. 
          SECOND. MOTION TO APPROVE BY COUNCILMAN MCBURNETT. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN JARED DAVIS. PLEASE VOTE. MAYOR. JUST BEFORE YOU GUYS VOTE, JUST MAKE NOTE THAT WE ARE THAT YOU ALL ARE MOVING ITEM SEVEN IN TO EIGHT. OH YES. THANK YOU FOR THAT. IN BRIEFING IT WAS DECIDED AT THE REQUEST OF COUNCILMAN KOONTZ THAT WE MOVE. ITEM. SEVEN N TO EIGHT OH. YES, SIR. MR. MR. ABERNATHY, JUST TO CLARIFY AGAIN, JUST WE DISCUSSED IT DURING THE BRIEFING, BUT I JUST JUST FOR POINT OF POINT OF ORDER SEVEN C AND 7D7C IS A YOU KNOW, AN AMENDMENT TO OUR CONTRACT WITH REPUBLIC SERVICES, INCREASING RATES FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR. AND ITEM SEVEN D IS ALSO INCREASING OUR DISPOSAL RATES WITH WASTE MANAGEMENT. BUT AS WE SAID IN THE BRIEFING, THOSE RATES ARE NOT BEING PASSED ON TO THE RESIDENTS. WE WILL BE ABSORBING THOSE RATE INCREASES FOR NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. THANK YOU. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE CONSENT ITEMS MINUS ITEM SEVEN N, WHICH IS MOVED TO THE ITEM FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION, PLEASE VOTE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. WITH THAT WE MOVE INTO ITEM EIGHT ITEM FOR 
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INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. TAKE ANY NECESSARY ACTION AS A RESULT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION. 
          [8.B. Consider an Ordinance accepting Fiscal Year 2027 Motor Vehicle Crime  Prevention Authority grant funding, authorizing the required City match and  grant appropriations, authorizing procurement of two Skydio X10 Drone as  First Responder Dock systems from Axon Enterprise, Inc., and deferring  procurement of ten Automated License Plate Recognition systems pending  final State and MVCPA guidance.]
THERE IS NO ACTION TO BE TAKEN AT THIS TIME. SO ITEM EIGHT B CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE ACCEPTING FISCAL YEAR 2027. MOTOR VEHICLE CRIME PREVENTION AUTHORITY GRANT FUNDING. 
          GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I'M ASSISTANT CHIEF MCCARTY WITH THE DUNCANVILLE POLICE DEPARTMENT. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? OKAY. LET'S HOPE I CAN DO THIS ONE WITHOUT BEING AS NERVOUS AS THE FIRST ONE. SO TONIGHT WE'RE COMING TO YOU. THIS ITEMS FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2027 MOTOR VEHICLE CRIME PREVENTION AUTHORITY GRANT. THE CITY WAS AWARDED $132,069 IN NBCANBC GRANT FUNDING WITH A REQUIRED CITY CASH MATCH OF UP TO $26,414 FOR A TOTAL APPROVED PROJECT AMOUNT OF $158 AND 480 $158,483. THE ORIGINAL APPROVED GRANT PROJECT INCLUDED TWO COMPONENTS TWO SKYDIO X10 DRONE AS FIRST RESPONDER SYSTEMS AND TEN AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE RECOGNITION SYSTEMS. THE APPROVED GRANT INCLUDED BOTH THE D, F, R DOC SYSTEMS AND THE ALPR SYSTEMS. SINCE THE GRANT WAS AWARDED, SUBSEQUENT STATE AND MVPA GUIDANCE HAS CREATED UNCERTAINTY REGARDING THE USE OF GRANT FUNDS FOR ALPR TECHNOLOGY. BECAUSE OF THAT, STAFF IS NOT RECOMMENDING THE CITY PROCEED WITH THE ALPR PORTION AT THIS TIME. THE ORDINANCE BEFORE YOU EXPRESSLY DEFERS THAT PORTION OF THE GRANT. IT DOES NOT AUTHORIZE THE PURCHASE, LICENSING, INSTALLATION, DEPLOYMENT OR IMPLEMENTATION OF THE TEN ALPR SYSTEMS AND NO CITY OR GRANT FUNDS WILL BE SPENT ON THAT PORTION AT THIS TIME. IF THE STATE OR MVPA LATER PROVIDE FINAL GUIDANCE ALLOWING COMPONENT THE THAT COMPONENT TO MOVE FORWARD, IT WOULD RETURN TO CITY COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL BEFORE ANY PROCUREMENT OCCURS. THESE TWO ADDITIONAL DOC SYSTEMS WILL EXPAND THE DEPARTMENT'S DRONE AS FIRST RESPONDER CAPABILITY BY ALLOWING DRONES TO BE DEPLOYED REMOTELY FROM ADDITIONAL LOCATIONS IN THE CITY. THAT REDUCES FLIGHT DISTANCE AND ALLOWS THE DEPARTMENT TO GET AERIAL SITUATIONAL AWARENESS TO CALLS MORE QUICKLY. THE CURRENT AXON QUOTE FOR THE TWO DFR DOC SYSTEMS AND RELATED SERVICES IS A 60 MONTH AGREEMENT WITH AN ANNUAL PAYMENT OF $134,560.20. OUR INTENT IS TO CONTINUE APPLYING FOR MVC GRANT FUNDING IN FUTURE FISCAL YEARS. IF. IF FUTURE GRANT FUNDING IS AWARDED, THE CITY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE APPLICABLE APPLICABLE LOCAL MATCH. IF GRANT FUNDING IS NOT AVAILABLE IN A FUTURE YEAR, COUNCIL WOULD THEN HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DETERMINE WHETHER CITY THE CITY WANTS TO CONTINUE FUNDING THE PROGRAM LOCALLY. THIS ACTION DOES NOT AUTHORIZE THE PURCHASE OF ANY ALPR SYSTEM. NO GRANT MATCHING OR OTHER CITY FUNDS WILL BE ENCUMBERED OR SPENT ON THE TEN ALPR SYSTEMS AT THIS TIME. ANY FUTURE ALPR PROCUREMENT WOULD RETURN TO CITY COUNCIL AFTER FINAL STATE AND MVPA GUIDANCE. SO TO SUMMARIZE THE ACTION BEFORE YOU TONIGHT DOES THREE THINGS. FIRST, IT ACCEPTS THE FISCAL YEAR 2027 MVPA GRANT AWARD AND OFF AND AUTHORIZES THE REQUIRED CITY MATCH. SECOND, IT AUTHORIZES US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE TWO DFR DOC SYSTEMS. AND LASTLY, IT EXPRESSLY PLACES THE TEN ALPR SYSTEMS ON HOLD PENDING FINAL STATE AND MVPA GUIDANCE. TONIGHT, THE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE ORDINANCE AS PRESENTED. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS. COUNCIL. COMMENTS. MR. KOONTZ. 
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CHIEF, COULD YOU SPEAK TO JUST SOME OF THE BENEFITS AND EXPERIENCES USING THE DRONE SYSTEM? I KNOW EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE WE GET REPORTS HERE, BUT COULD YOU TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE SUCCESSES IN USING THE DRONE SYSTEM? YES, ABSOLUTELY. THERE'S THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL. I MEAN, REALLY THE OFFICERS WILL TELL YOU, SINCE WE GOT THIS, IT'S LEGITIMATELY A GAME CHANGER TO LAW ENFORCEMENT. THE MOST NOTABLE SUCCESS THAT WE'VE HAD WAS EARLIER THIS YEAR WHEN WE HAD A SHOOTING INCIDENT AT THE BOWLING ALLEY. AND ONE SUSPECT OR ONE VICTIM WAS DECEASED AT THE SCENE, AND ONE WAS SHOT SEVERAL TIMES AND INJURED, AND THE SUSPECT HAD FLED ON FOOT ACROSS THE STREET. WHILE OFFICERS WERE RESPONDING DOWN THERE, ONE OF THE DRONE PILOTS THAT WAS ON DUTY LAUNCHED THE DRONE TO THE AREA, AND I BELIEVE YOU GUYS MAY HAVE SEEN THE VIDEO PREVIOUSLY, BUT WITH THE THERMAL IMAGING CAPABILITY OF THE THE CAMERA ITSELF, THE PILOT WAS ABLE TO LOCATE THE SUSPECT HIDING BEHIND SOME TOWNHOMES AND ACTUALLY WATCHED HIM CHANGING CLOTHES AND HANGING OUT AROUND THE DUMPSTER ON THE REGULAR CAMERA. YOU COULDN'T SEE IT BECAUSE IT WAS TOO DARK. BUT WITH THE THERMAL, IT'S CLEAR AS DAY. THE SUSPECT CONTINUED TO TRY TO FLEE AWAY FROM THAT LOCATION, AND THE DRONE PILOT WAS ABLE TO GUIDE OFFICERS IN, AND THEY APPREHENDED HIM. FURTHER INVESTIGATION LED TO THE INVESTIGATORS BACK TO THE DUMPSTER AREA WHERE THE SUSPECT WAS FIRST LOCATED, AND WE RECOVERED THE CLOTHES THAT HE HAD TAKEN OFF AND THE MURDER WEAPON. YEAH. ABOUT HOW MANY TIMES A WEEK IS THE DRONE DEPLOYED ON AVERAGE? SO WE SEND INTERNALLY, WE SEND A WEEKLY REPORT OF OUR FLIGHTS. I WOULD SAY ON AVERAGE IT'S BETWEEN 15 TO 25 ON MOST WEEKS, 15 TO 25 DIFFERENT FLIGHTS. THE LAST I LOOKED, WE WE STARTED OUR DRONE PROGRAM IN ON DECEMBER 18TH OF 2025, AND WE WERE AT APPROXIMATELY 100 OR 860 FLIGHTS SINCE THAT DATE. THANK YOU, MR. PENNYBAKER. THANK YOU, MAYOR, AND THANK YOU, ASSISTANT CHIEF. APPRECIATE IT. AND I FIRST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION EARLIER. FOR ANYONE THAT DID NOT SEE THAT, A LOT OF IT WAS ADDRESSING ALPR. I APPRECIATE HOW PROACTIVE THE DEPARTMENT'S BEING, THE EFFORT TO MAINTAIN TRANSPARENCY. IT'S DIFFICULT BALANCING SAFETY, SECURITY ENFORCEMENT WITH OUR PRIVACY RIGHTS. AND I THINK YOU ALL ARE TAKING THAT SERIOUSLY. I THINK THE EFFORT MOVING FORWARD TO PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC AND TO COUNCIL. WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT. WITH WITH THE DRONES, I'M GENERALLY IN FAVOR OF THEM. I'VE SEEN SOME VERY PRODUCTIVE RESULTS. I BELIEVE CHIEF WOLCOTT HAD PRESENTED TO US A VIDEO, THE LAST PRESENTATION. THE LAST REPORT WE GOT. AND I THINK WE'D LIKE TO SEE MORE OF THAT, SEE HOW THESE ARE ACTUALLY BENEFITING US AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING OUT THERE. SO I LOOK FORWARD TO MORE INFORMATION, THE TRANSPARENCY Y'ALL ARE ALREADY DELIVERING TO US MOVING FORWARD. 
          THANK YOU SIR. YES, SIR. THANK YOU, MR. DAVIS. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU, ASSISTANT CHIEF, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. I TOOK NOTICE THAT YOU SAID THAT EACH YEAR THE DEPARTMENT WILL APPLY FOR A GRANT. EACH YEAR THEY WILL GO UP FOR FOR THIS GRANT? YES, SIR. SO IS THE GRANT DURATION JUST ONE FISCAL YEAR? YES, SIR. THE GRANT EACH YEAR, THE THE GRANT PERIOD STARTS ON SEPTEMBER 1ST. OKAY. AND RUNS THROUGH AUGUST 31ST. OKAY. MY QUESTION IS NOT NOT WISHING OR PREDICTING OR OR ANY OF THAT. BUT IF FOR SOME REASON WE'RE UNSUCCESSFUL IN RENEWING OUR GRANT THAT SUPPORTS THIS, WHO RETAINS THE OWNERSHIP AND THE MAINTENANCE OF THE EQUIPMENT, ULTIMATELY, AND I HAVE AN AXON REP HERE WITH ME THAT SHE MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER A LITTLE BETTER THAN I CAN, BUT ULTIMATELY, IT'S GOING TO DEPEND ON WHAT WHAT PART OF OUR CONTRACT WE'RE IN. OKAY, OKAY. BECAUSE I PART OF OUR CONTRACT AT ABOUT TWO AND A HALF YEARS, IT INCLUDES AN EQUIPMENT REFRESH WHERE WE GET ALL NEW EQUIPMENT, BUT WE ALSO GET TO RETAIN THE OLD EQUIPMENT. OKAY. SO AT THAT POINT, I KNOW THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO RETAIN THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE'D ALREADY PAID FOR, BUT IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE TO WORK OUT THROUGH THE CONTRACT AND SEE WHAT EXACTLY THE CITY HAS SO FAR PAID FOR. I ASK BECAUSE, AND THIS IS JUST GENERAL COMMENTARY. I ASK BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AS WE LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE, WE KNOW THAT CERTAIN ELEMENTS OF THESE GRANT PROVISIONS ARE IN 
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FACT, GAME CHANGERS TO POLICING THAT WE WOULD WANT TO RETAIN. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A SENSE OF IF SUCH A GRANT SHOULD GO AWAY, WHAT EQUIPMENT WOULD WE RETAIN? WHAT MAINTENANCE COSTS COULD WE EXPECT TO SEE, YOU KNOW, AS A CITY AND AN ORGANIZATION IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THAT, THAT COMPETITIVE OR THAT TECHNOLOGICAL ADVANTAGE IN OUR POLICING? SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. ASSISTANT CHIEF. THANK YOU. HEY, NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. THAT WAS MR. DAVIS. MOTION TO APPROVE BY COUNCILMAN OR MAYOR PRO TEM PENNEBAKER, SECOND. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN KOONTZ. 
          FURTHER DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. ITEM EIGHT EIGHT C IS GOING TO 
          [8.C. Open and hold the continued Public Hearing on the FY 2026-27 Budget ]
BE OPENING AND HOLD THE CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING ON THE FISCAL YEAR 2026 THROUGH 27 BUDGET. I HEREBY REOPEN AS CONTINUED AT OUR SEPTEMBER 1ST MEETING, ITEM EIGHT B, OUR PUBLIC HEARING AT 8:13 P.M. JUST BRIEFLY, BEFORE WE ACTUALLY GET INTO THE HEARING AND FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS AGAIN, JENNIFER ODIE, THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF FISCAL SERVICES. 
          AND THANK YOU, COUNSEL. SO JUST JUST DOING A QUICK RECAP, IF I MAY, A CLIFF NOTES VERSION. 
          YOU'VE HEARD THIS PRESENTATION BEFORE. OF COURSE, OUR BUDGET CAN BE FOUND BY CLICKING ON THAT QR LINK THERE. BUT JUST A REAL QUICK. SO THE BUDGET IS JUST MORE THAN JUST PROPERTY TAX AND GENERAL FUND. THERE ARE OTHER COMPONENTS TO OUR BUDGET. WE NEW RESOURCES ARE 95 MILLION IS WHAT WE'RE PROJECTING FOR NEXT YEAR. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES THAT THEY BREAK DOWN INTO OUR EXPENSES ARE PROJECTED, OUR PLANNED EXPENSES AT 99 MILLION. 
          AND YOU MAY NOTICE THAT THERE'S ACTUALLY A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE RESOURCES AND THE EXPENSES. 
          SO SOME FUNDS HAVE A A FUND BALANCE AND THAT IT IS PLANNED TO USE SOME OF THAT FUND BALANCE IN ORDER TO SPEND IT DOWN. AND THAT IS THE GAP THERE BETWEEN THE RESOURCES AND THE EXPENSES. AND JUST A QUICK BUDGET SNAPSHOT OF WHAT THIS BUDGET IS BUILT ON. SO THIS BUDGET IN THE GENERAL FUND PORTION ANYWAY, IS BASED ON A PROPOSED TAX RATE OF 0.611659, WHICH GENERATES 963,000 IN ADDITIONAL REVENUE FROM TAXES. THIS BUDGET ALSO IS BUILT ON THE FIFTH FIVE. THE FIFTH YEAR OF THE WATER AND SEWER RATE. INCREASED STRATEGY THAT WE ADOPTED FIVE YEARS AGO. THIS BUDGET ALSO IS BUILT ON CONTINUING THE SUPPORT OF OUR SIGNATURE EVENTS DEVELOPMENT, REDEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES, ARTS FUNDING THROUGH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AND THROUGH HOTEL MOTEL FUNDING. THIS BUDGET IS ALSO BUILT WITH IMPROVING OUR RETIREMENT BENEFIT PLAN FOR EMPLOYEES AND RETIREES. THIS BUDGET ABSORBS THE INCREASES THAT WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT FOR GARBAGE, SO THERE'S NO INCREASE TO THE CONSUMERS FOR GARBAGE AND STORMWATER RATES. AND THEN ALSO THIS BUDGET HAS SOME PROJECTS BUILT INTO IT, INCLUDING SOME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUNDED PROJECTS. SO 600,000 GOES TOWARDS PARK CIP AS 3 MILLION GOES TOWARDS WATER AND SEWER CIP, AND THEN 1.3 MILLION IS BUDGETED FOR STREET MAINTENANCE. SO AGAIN, THIS BUDGET IS BUILT ON OUR TAX RATE OF 611659, WHICH AS YOU CAN SEE, FOR THE AVERAGE TAXPAYER, THAT PROPOSED RATE IS ABOUT $138. AGAIN, ON THE AVERAGE TAXABLE VALUE. OKAY. SO AT THE AT THE RISK. YEAH. AT THE. OKAY. THANK YOU. DIDN'T WANT TO LOSE THAT ONE AGAIN. OKAY. WITH THAT WE'RE GOING TO OPEN THIS UP. THE, THE, THE SESSION IS ALREADY OPEN, BUT WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR FEEDBACK INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC ON THIS AGENDA ITEM. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM, PLEASE STEP FORWARD. GOOD EVENING. WESLEY JAMISON 1214. LADY LANE. I WAS REVIEWING SOME OF THESE NUMBERS IN THE BUDGET, AND IT LOOKS LIKE OUR CITYWIDE REVENUE INCREASED BY 6% OVER THE PREVIOUS YEAR, OR AT LEAST IN COMPARED TO THE ADOPTED 2026 BUDGET. BUT YET EXPENDITURES INCREASED BY 8.5%. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT CITIES ARE SUPPOSED TO OPERATE WITHIN THE BUDGET, THAT THERE'S NOT 
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SUPPOSED TO BE EXPENDITURES IN EXCESS OF THE BUDGETED AMOUNTS. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A SHORT TERM ISSUE HERE OR WHAT THE PROBLEM WAS, BUT I THINK IT'S A LEGAL MATTER. AS A MATTER OF FACT, THAT OPERATING IN A DEFICIT IS NOT ALLOWED BY MUNICIPALITIES. THE PROPERTY TAX INCREASE OR THE TAXABLE VALUE OF RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY HERE IN DUNCANVILLE WENT UP BY ABOUT 5.8%. AND NOW YOU'RE TACKING ON WITH THE PROPERTY, WITH THE TAX INCREASE FROM THE .600 TO 0.611, AN ADDITIONAL BURDEN ON PEOPLE, ON THEIR FINANCES. MY STIPULATION WOULD BE THAT WE OPERATE WITHIN THE BUDGET THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE THESE INCREASES. YOU'VE GOT A $750,000 PAYMENT FOR A COMPREHENSIVE FEE STRUCTURE STUDY. PROPOSED RATE IS REALLY THE HIGHEST THAT YOU CAN DO WITHOUT HAVING IT GO BEFORE THE PUBLIC. IN YEARS PAST, THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN WHERE THE CITY MANAGER WENT TO THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT HEADS AND GAVE THEM A PROPOSED ALLOCATION IN BUDGET NUMBERS TO FIT WITHIN. DID THAT HAPPEN THIS YEAR? WAS THERE SOME WAY TO DISCUSS, HEY, THIS IS WHAT YOU NEED TO WORK OUT WITHIN YOUR FINANCES? OR WAS IT PRETTY MUCH JUST TAKEN? HERE'S WHERE WE GO BECAUSE THIS IS THESE RATES HAVE BEEN GOING DOWN SINCE 2021. THIS IS GOING TO BE THE FIRST YEAR THAT THE TAX RATE IS PROPOSED TO BE AN INCREASE. THIS IS PROBABLY NOT THE BEST YEAR TO DO THAT FOR PEOPLE. I GUESS THIS IS THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING. I MISSED THE FIRST ONE ON THE BUDGET, BUT I PROPOSE TO YOU THAT YOU OPERATE WITHIN. AND I'M NOT EVEN SAYING TO THE THE NO REVENUE INCREASE RATE, BUT WITHIN THE CURRENT RATE THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE ON THE TAX RATE AND GO BACK AND REVIEW THE BUDGET AND FIND SOME PLACES TO SAVE IN THERE SO THAT THE TAXPAYERS ARE NOT BURDENED BY THIS OVERBURDENING COMBINATION OF THE APPRAISED VALUE INCREASES, THE TAX RATE INCREASES AND THE BUDGET INCREASE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND EXPRESS OPINIONS OR ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT OUR BUDGET UNDER ITEM EIGHT C? NO COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS. ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? OKAY. 
          OKAY. CITY ATTORNEY TO TO. WHAT'S THE APPROPRIATE STEPS TO ALLOW STAFF TO RESPOND TO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS THAT WERE JUST ADDRESSED? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL, SEEING THAT WE HAVE NO OTHER PEOPLE WANT TO COME FORWARD WITH ANYTHING, I'LL GO AHEAD AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE, MAKE THE MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. BY COUNCILMAN COUNCILMAN MCBURNETT, SECOND BY COUNCILWOMAN GOODWIN. PLEASE VOTE. OKAY. SO THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED AT 8:19 P.M. OKAY. YOU HEARD SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE. DO YOU WANT TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE? ABSOLUTELY. SO I'LL START WITH THE REVENUES OR EXPENDITURES THAT EXCEED REVENUES. SO YES, IT WOULD BE UNBALANCED, IF YOU WILL, IF WE DID NOT HAVE FUND BALANCE RESOURCES TO FILL IN THE GAPS. SO THE, THE, THE TWO LARGEST FUNDS, IF YOU LOOK AT ALL OF OUR FUNDS COMBINED THAT ARE OPTING TO USE THE RESOURCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AS YOU KNOW, HAS A VERY LARGE FUND BALANCE. AND THEY CHOSE TO STRETCH TO STRATEGICALLY BUDGET TO SPEND THAT FUND BALANCE DOWN. SO IT'S NOT GOING TO SHOW UP AS A NEW REVENUE BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY A RESOURCE THAT'S IN THE BANK, IF YOU WILL. AND THE SECOND ONE IS BEING ONE TIME FUND FOR THE ONE TIME PROJECTS. WE MADE A TRANSFER OVER. WE DIDN'T UTILIZE ALL THOSE FUNDS IN THIS YEAR. SO WE'RE BUDGETING FOR THE REMAINDER OF THAT TRANSFER IN FY 27. SO AGAIN, THE RESOURCES ARE AVAILABLE. IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE DIPPING INTO THE BANK ACCOUNT, YOU KNOW, AND YOU'RE IN YOU'RE IN THE, IN THE RED, BUT IT'S UTILIZING FUND BALANCE RESOURCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR THAT PARTICULAR FUND. SO, SO IN THAT MANNER TO ADDRESS THE GENTLEMAN'S CONCERNS, THEN WE ARE WE ARE BALANCED. YES, SIR. BECAUSE WE HAVE AVAILABLE RESOURCES TO COVER IT. RIGHT. OKAY. COUNCIL. 
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ANY COMMENTS, MR. DAVIS? THANK YOU. MR. MAYOR. COULD YOU RESPOND TO MR. JAMESON'S QUESTION ABOUT WHAT TYPE OF INTERNAL CITY MANAGEMENT BUDGET REDUCTION STRATEGIES OCCURRED IN ORDER? SO WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THE BUDGET BACK IN FEBRUARY AS WE LOOKED AT WHAT OUR REVENUES WE THINK WERE GOING TO BE, WHAT WE KNOW, EXPENDITURES, THE NON-NEGOTIABLE THINGS WE KNOW WE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT ARE IN THE BUDGET. WE TOLD THE CITY DEPARTMENTS, THIS IS PRETTY MUCH WHAT THE NUMBER NEEDS TO BE BECAUSE WE KNOW THE FOR EXAMPLE, THE INVESTMENT INCOME, WE KNEW THAT WAS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM AS THAT WAS GOING TO REDUCE GENERAL FUND REVENUE, FOR EXAMPLE. SO WE TOLD THEM BACK IN FEBRUARY, WE NEED TO BUILD A BUDGET BASED ON THIS NUMBER. AND SO BASED ON THE INFORMATION, THOUGH, THAT WE DID GET BACK AND SOME OF THE EXPENDITURES THAT THE DEPARTMENTS WERE PROJECTING AND THE THINGS THAT WERE COMING DOWN, YOU KNOW, FUEL, FOR EXAMPLE, AND JUST THE COST OF THINGS LIKE THAT, WE WERE OVER OVER BUDGET. SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAD MEETINGS IN MARCH AND APRIL AND MAY AND JUNE TO CONTINUE TO REFINE THE BUDGET, TO DETERMINE, OKAY, WHERE MAYBE WE COULD INCREASE OUR REVENUES, WHAT EXPENDITURES CAN WE DELAY OR REMOVE OR CUT? SO IT WAS A FINE TUNING PROCESS FOR THE FOR FOUR MONTHS. SO BELIEVE ME, WE HAVE MADE REDUCTIONS WITH HAVING TO FREEZE SOME POSITIONS, NOT BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE EMPLOYEE RAISES. WE'VE MADE SOME DECISIONS IN THOSE FOUR MONTHS, LIKE I SAID, TRYING TO GET DOWN TO A BALANCED NUMBER. JUST LAST QUESTION, DO YOU HAVE ANY BALLPARK ESTIMATE OF IN TERMS OF THE TOTAL REDUCTION, WHAT WHAT'S THAT NUMBER INTERNALLY THAT YOU ALL WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY JUST UNDER YOUR OWN INTERNAL REDUCTION STRATEGIES? IT WAS ABOUT 2 MILLION. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. MR. PENNYBAKER. 
          THANK YOU. MAYOR, THE GENTLEMAN MADE A REFERENCE TO THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT WE'VE INCREASED THE TAX RATE IN SEVERAL YEARS. BUT WHAT WE'VE COME OUT OF, PROBABLY BEGINNING IN 2019, 2020, WAS A HYPERACTIVE REAL ESTATE MARKET THAT WAS INCREASING PROPERTY VALUES SIGNIFICANTLY. SO US AS COUNCIL PEOPLE CAN SIT UP HERE AND EFFECTIVELY LOWER YOUR RATE AND STILL ENJOY HIGHER TAX REVENUE OFF OF THAT. AND ON THE REAL ESTATE SIDE, THINGS BEGAN TO FLATTEN OUT PROBABLY 2 OR 3 YEARS AGO. BUT THAT TAKES A LITTLE BIT OF TIME BEFORE IT STARTS HITTING THE TAX ROLLS FOR THE FOR THE COUNTY TO CATCH UP. SO EVEN THOUGH IT'S KIND OF LEVELED OFF THE LAST FEW YEARS, WE'RE STILL ABLE TO LOWER OUR TAX RATE. AND FINALLY, WE'RE AT A POINT THAT WE HAVE TO RAISE IT JUST TO KIND OF KEEP UP WITH THOSE THINGS. IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. MR. MCBURNETT THANK YOU. MAYOR. MISS. OKAY. 
          CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE THE NUMBERS THAT YOU SAID, WHAT THE REVENUES WERE AND THEN WHAT THE EXPENSES WERE, WHICH NUMBERS? AND I DO HAVE LAST MEETINGS, PRESENTATION ON STANDBY IF YOU NEEDED IT. YEAH. WHICH NUMBERS. I'M SORRY. SO THE NEW RESOURCES ARE 95, 646673. AND THEN THEN THE EXPENSES ARE 99245 816. THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S CORRECT. IT'S ON THERE. OKAY. THIS THIS MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR OUR CITY ATTORNEY, BUT BUT I THINK WE'RE GETTING READY TO PASS A BUDGET OR CLOSE TO PASSING A BUDGET. AND I THINK UPCOMING, WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME CHANGES. OR ARE THOSE ADDRESSED IN THIS BUDGET? I'M SORRY. ASK YOUR QUESTION AGAIN. 
          WE KNOW WE HAVE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME CHANGES WITH THAT. ARE THESE ADDRESSED IN THIS BUDGET? THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME SALARY CHANGES. THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME OTHER THINGS. 
          BUT IS THAT IS THAT A IS THAT I MEAN, IT MIGHT BE A MR. JACKSON QUESTION. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR 
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AND COUNCIL. RICHARD JACKSON, CFO MR. MCBURNETT, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YES. ADJUSTMENTS WERE MADE IN THE BUDGET TO ACCOUNT FOR ANY OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES THAT THIS COUNCIL MAY HAVE, WHERE IT WOULD NOT IMPACT THE TOTAL NUMBERS AS PRESENTED TO THE COUNCIL. OKAY. THANK YOU. 
          YES, SIR. OKAY. SO AT THIS AT THIS POINT, NO FURTHER COMMENT. MR. KOONTZ, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OR WERE YOU READY TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION? YES. THIS IS JUST A HEARING. SO. YEAH. 
          YEAH. YEAH. THE NEXT IS THE TAX RATE PUBLIC HEARING. WE'RE GOING TO DO THEM TOGETHER. OKAY. 
          OKAY. BECAUSE THEY'RE TWO SEPARATE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. WELL, OKAY. 
          SO WE'D BE MOVING INTO ITEM EIGHT D. WELL, OKAY. SO WHAT I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT THEN IF WE'RE GOING TO STAY HERE. SO JUST SO YOU SAID THAT YOU ALL BEGIN YOUR BUDGET DISCUSSIONS BACK IN FEBRUARY. YES. RIGHT. THAT'S WHEN WE DO OUR KICKOFF, WHEN INTERIM CITY MANAGER THAT YOU START HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS WITH, WITH YOUR DEPARTMENT STAFF AND WITH YOUR EXECUTIVE STAFF. AND THAT'S SO ALL THE WAY BACK IN FEBRUARY, YOU'RE HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS, AND THEN THERE'S ABOUT FOUR MONTHS. I THINK IT SOUNDS LIKE, WHERE Y'ALL ARE HAVING THOSE INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE DURING THOSE DISCUSSIONS, YOU REALIZE THAT, YES, WE WERE OVER BUDGET, THAT OUR EXPENSES EXCEEDED OUR REVENUES. SO YOU, YOU GOT ABOUT $2 MILLION DOWN DURING THOSE DISCUSSIONS. THIS IS EVEN BEFORE YOU COME TO US, RIGHT BEFORE YOU PRESENT THAT TO US. CORRECT. AND SO AND THEN MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE'S, THERE'S A MANDATE OF ABOUT A 5% CUT ACROSS ALL ALL CITY DEPARTMENTS, 5% CUT. SO. AND I'LL GIVE YOU A MOMENT IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT IN A SECOND, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE WE ALL UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS HERE. SO YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT IT, $2 MILLION, 5% CUTS. WE'RE SEEING THAT WE'RE OVER BUDGET AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET THESE NUMBERS DOWN. AND THEN YOU THEN YOU PRESENT TO THE COUNCIL, RIGHT. AND WE GET THIS PROPOSED BUDGET, AND THEN WE TALK ABOUT IT, AND WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT. AND THIS IS JUST A PROCESS EVERY YEAR. AND I GUESS I'M JUST KIND OF FOR PUBLIC INFORMATION BECAUSE WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE MEETINGS. AND ONE OF THOSE MEETINGS WAS ABOUT 7 OR 8 HOURS. I THINK OF US TRYING TO GO THROUGH THESE NUMBERS AND DO EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO GET GET THE NUMBERS DOWN. I'M SAYING ALL THIS BECAUSE EVERY YEAR I LOOK AT THE BUDGET AND I SEE THINGS THAT I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY DO BETTER. I SEE AREAS THAT, YOU KNOW, HERE AND THERE WHERE I THINK WILL THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT I WOULD CHANGE. BUT OVERALL, THE BUDGET AS A WHOLE, I'M VERY THANKFUL THAT, YOU KNOW, THE STAFF DOES ALL MONTHS OF WORK TO PRESENT US SOMETHING THAT WE CAN APPROVE THAT THE PUBLIC GENERALLY WOULD SUPPORT. AND THEN THIS COUNCIL PUTS IN MANY HOURS OF WORK TO TRY TO GET SOMETHING THAT THE PUBLIC GENERALLY WOULD SUPPORT, KNOWING THAT THERE ARE GOING TO BE THINGS IN THERE THAT NOT NOT EVERYBODY IS GOING TO BE COMPLETELY HAPPY WITH IT. I AND EVERY YEAR IT COMES DOWN TO THE SAME ISSUE, IS THAT THE CITY. 
          WE NEED TO BE FIGURING OUT WAYS TO GENERATE ADDITIONAL REVENUE SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO GO TO THE TAXPAYERS. AND I THINK THIS COUNCIL, EVERYONE HERE, AND I BELIEVE CITY STAFF, I THINK EVERYBODY IS ALWAYS OPEN TO ANY IDEAS THAT ANYBODY HAS FOR US TO, TO, TO FIND THOSE NEW REVENUE SOURCES. BUT I, YOU KNOW, SAYING ALL THAT I DO WANT TO AGAIN, THANK JENNIFER AND MR. JACKSON AND INTERIM CITY MANAGER ABERNATHY STEPPING IN TO DO ALL THIS WORK FOR US, AND ALSO THE COUNCIL FOR ALL THE WORK THAT WE'VE PUT IN. AND I AND I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THIS BUDGET AS IS PRESENTED. AND IT'S WE TALK ABOUT IT'S A LIVING DOCUMENT. AND SO EVEN THOUGH WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE SOMETHING TONIGHT, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT AMENDMENTS CAN'T BE MADE TO IT. AND WE CAN MAKE IMPROVEMENTS ALONG THE WAY. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO WORK TO DO THAT. AND IF THERE ARE CITIZENS THAT HAVE IDEAS ON HOW WE CAN IMPROVE THIS BUDGET AS WE'RE MOVING FORWARD, AND I'M SURE EVERYBODY HERE WOULD BE OPEN TO THOSE IDEAS. THANK YOU, MAYOR, THANK YOU. OKAY. WE CAN MOVE ON TO ITEM D. OKAY. AT THIS POINT, 
          [8.D. Conduct a Public Hearing on the 2026 tax rate. ]
WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM EIGHT. D, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 2026 TAX RATE. 
          THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO LET ME JUST KIND OF RUN THROUGH THE PROCESS OF HOW THE TAX RATE IS 
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ACTUALLY CALCULATED. SO EVERYTHING STARTS WITH THE CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT. AS YOU KNOW THEY ARE CHARGED WITH APPRAISING THE VALUES. THEY START THIS PROCESS EARLY IN THE CALENDAR YEAR. THE CITY DOESN'T ACTUALLY START RECEIVING ESTIMATES UNTIL MAY IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY THINK THE VALUES MIGHT COME TO BE. AND IN THAT TIME, YOU KNOW, CITIZENS ARE AND PROPERTY OWNERS ARE, YOU KNOW, PROTESTING THEIR VALUES. AND SO THEY'RE STILL DOING HEARINGS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, EVEN EVEN PAST AT THIS POINT IN THE YEAR, THEY'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THOSE. SO SO IT STARTS WITH THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT. THEY DETERMINE THE VALUES. THE CITY IS FORMULATING THE BUDGET, WHICH HELPS DETERMINE THE TAX RATE. WE DON'T GET THE CERTIFIED VALUES FROM THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT UNTIL JULY 25TH, WHICH DOESN'T GIVE US A WHOLE LOT OF TIME. IF WE NEED TO MAKE CHANGES TO THE BUDGET, BECAUSE MAYBE THE TAX RATE IS LESS THAN WHAT WE WERE THINKING OR WHAT HAVE YOU. SO WE DON'T GET THAT CERTIFIED VALUE UNTIL JULY 25TH. AND THEN AFTER THAT, IT'S A NINE PAGE DOCUMENT. IF YOU'VE EVER LOOKED AT IT IN TERMS OF HOW THE TAX RATE ITSELF IS CALCULATED, IT IS NOT A SIMPLE OR EASY PROCESS AT ALL. 
          SO IT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE VALUES ARE, WHAT THEY INCREASED, AND YOU KNOW WHAT IT WAS THE PREVIOUS YEAR. ALL THESE DIFFERENT VARIABLES GO INTO THAT CALCULATION. AND THEN AGAIN, THE STAFF PRESENTS THE BUDGET AND THE TAX RATE FOR ADOPTION. SO THIS IS, YOU KNOW, PRETTY MUCH A 12 YEAR PROCESS. SO OUR 12 MONTH PROCESS. SO THE PROPOSED TAX RATE OBVIOUSLY IS THE TAX RATE THAT THE BUDGET'S BUILT ON IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE, AS YOU KNOW, IS WOULD BE THE TAX RATE THAT WOULD NOT GENERATE ANY ADDITIONAL REVENUE WOULD BE THE SAME AS THE PREVIOUS YEAR. AND THEN THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE IS THE HIGHEST RATE THAT THE CITY MAY ADOPT WITHOUT AN ELECTION BY LAW. SO THIS JUST SHOWS YOU COMPARISON OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS ON THE TAX RATE ITSELF AS BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, AFTER COVID AND, YOU KNOW, THE INFLATION THAT WE ALL EXPERIENCE, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT DRAMATICALLY INCREASED AND THE TAX RATE WENT DOWN PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY BECAUSE THE VALUES SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED. BUT AS YOU CAN SEE WITH THE DIFFERENT NO NEW REVENUES RATES WERE THE VOTER APPROVAL RATES, THE AVERAGE TAXABLE VALUE. AND THEN ULTIMATELY WHAT THE ANNUAL TAXES FOR THE CITY PORTION AND WHAT THAT DAILY COST COMES TO, IF YOU LIKE TO LOOK AT IT LIKE THAT, AGAIN, JUST A PENNY ON THE TAX RATE. SO OUR CERTIFIED VALUES CAME AT 4.1 BILLION. 
          THAT'S ALL PROPERTIES IN THE CITY. $0.01 OF THE TAX RATE GENERATES ABOUT 413 000 IN REVENUE FOR THE CITY, $0.01 ON THE TAX RATE BASED ON AN AVERAGE TAXABLE VALUE. HOME IS ABOUT $29 FOR THE YEAR. IF CITIZENS ARE NOT AWARE. JUST WANT TO POINT THIS OUT. YOU CAN GO ON TO THE DALLAS COUNTY WEBSITE RIGHT NOW. THIS LINK IS ALSO ON OUR WEBSITE. SO YOU CAN TYPE IN YOUR STREET ADDRESS AND YOU CAN PULL UP WHAT YOUR PROPOSED TAX RATES WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR TAX YEAR 2026 WITH ALL OF THE DIFFERENT ENTITIES, NOT JUST THE CITY. SO I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO DO THAT. AND THEN JUST SHOWING YOU WHAT THE TAX RATE WOULD LOOK LIKE BASED ON, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENT HOME VALUES. OBVIOUSLY, IT'S GOING TO VARY FROM PERSON TO PERSON, DEPENDING ON IF THEY HAVE EXEMPTIONS, DEPENDING ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE VALUE OF THEIR HOME IS. SO FOR A $350,000 HOME WITH NO EXEMPTION, THE ANNUAL AMOUNT IS $2,141. IF YOU HAVE EXEMPTIONS IN PLACE, THAT'S ABOUT $1,800 FOR JUST THE CITY PORTION. AND THEN LASTLY, SO THE PROPOSED TAX RATE IS A 5% INCREASE TO THE TOTAL TAX RATE. AND I'M JUST SHOWING YOU A BUNCH OF NUMBERS BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ATTACHMENTS AND WHAT THE COUNTY PROVIDES AND HOW THEY CALCULATE ALL OF IT, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IF IT HELPS MAKE SOME CLARITY HERE OR NOT. BUT WHAT THEY BASE THAT 5% ON IS BASED ON THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE. SO IT'S NOT BASED ON, SAY, THE PREVIOUS YEAR'S VOTER APPROVAL RATE, BUT BASED ON WHAT THAT CALCULATED, NO NEW REVENUE RATE IS. SO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE NO NEW AND THE PROPOSED IS ABOUT $0.02, ALMOST $0.03. AND THAT COMES TO 5.7%. ADDITIONALLY, THE TAX LAW, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN IT, IT DOESN'T MAKE IT VERY EASY TO UNDERSTAND, BUT THERE'S A BUNCH OF OTHER NUMBERS COMPARING THE NO NEW REVENUE ON THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION SIDE OF THE RATE VERSUS THE DEBT SIDE OF THE RATE. AND THEN YOU HAVE TO SHOW WHAT THAT CHANGE WOULD LOOK LIKE BASED ON $100,000 HOME, WHICH IS A FIXED VALUE WITHIN THE TAX CODE. SO, SO BASICALLY THE CHANGE RESULTS IN A DIFFERENCE OF $12.55. BUT AGAIN, THIS IS JUST BASED ON HOW THE TAX CODE READS. AND THEN AGAIN YOU SEE IN THE TAXPAYER IMPACT STATEMENT AGAIN THE BUDGET'S BUILT ON 0.611659, WHICH WOULD BE ABOUT $138 INCREASE ON THE ANNUAL FOR THE AVERAGE TAXABLE VALUE. OKAY. 
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ALL RIGHT. SO WITH THAT BEING COMPLETED, WE'RE GOING TO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 8:36 P.M. AND AS SUCH, I WOULD ASK ONCE AGAIN THAT ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS AGENDA ITEM, PLEASE STEP FORWARD. JAMESON. 1214 LADY LANE I KNOW THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE TAX RATE, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE HANDS OF ANYONE WHOSE APPRAISAL WENT DOWN THIS YEAR. MINE SURE DIDN'T. SO I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, REAL ESTATE MAY HAVE SLOWED DOWN, BUT IT SURE DIDN'T TAKE MY APPRAISAL DOWN WITH IT. AND YOU TAKE THAT INCREASE IN THE TAX RATE WITH THE INCREASE IN THE APPRAISED VALUE. AND THESE CHARTS ARE VERY INTERESTING. AND THEY TELL A STORY. BUT THE REAL STORY IS THE AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD TAX BILL IS GOING TO GO UP 8%. THE CITY TAX BILL THAT'S IN YOUR NUMBERS TOO. 
          IT'S ONE OF THE TILES THAT I DIDN'T SEE PUT ON THE BOARD UP THERE. SO IT'S AN 8% TAX INCREASE WITH THE BUDGET THAT YOU'VE GOT, THE TAX INCREASE THAT YOU'VE GOT AND THE INCREASE IN THE APPRAISED VALUE. SO ALL THOSE THINGS COME TOGETHER TO MAKE UP THIS WHOLE MILIEU OF FUNDING. AND YOU KNOW, THE THE 5% CUT IS INTERESTING. I THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO LOOK MORE LIKE AT AN 8 TO 10% CUT BECAUSE I DON'T GET TO GO IF I CAN'T PAY MY BILLS, I DON'T GET TO GO TO THE BANK AND SAY, HEY, CAN YOU GIVE ME A, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF EXTRA PERCENT HERE TO HELP ME OUT? WE NEED TO LIVE WITHIN THE BUDGET. AND IF THAT MEANS WE HAVE TO HOLD OFF ON IMPROVING THE CEMENT STAGE AT ARMSTRONG PARK OR PAYING $750,000 FOR A FEE STUDY. I MEAN, LET'S BE REALISTIC ABOUT SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT ARE IN THAT BUDGET. 
          BUT I WOULD PROPOSE, AGAIN, THAT YOU GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD. I DON'T THINK THE BUDGET IS DUE TOMORROW. AND TAKE A LOOK AT THIS TAX RATE, REEVALUATE WHERE WE CAN CUT AND THEN COME DOWN ON THAT TAX INCREASE FIRST TIME IN 5 OR 6 YEARS THAT IT GOES UP THE WORST POSSIBLE YEAR THAT CAN HAPPEN. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE HEAR THAT ON THIS ITEM WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND EXPRESS CONCERNS. COMMENTS QUESTIONS. PLEASE COME UP. WELL NOBODY LIKES INFLATION BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'VE GOT. AND SO WHAT I NEED YOU TO KNOW IS THAT WHATEVER YOU DO, MISS GOODEN HELPED WITH THIS TO DON'T TAKE AWAY MONEY FROM THAT NEW POLICE DEPARTMENT. THEY NEED IT. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO TO GET IT QUICKER. BUT IS HE TALKING ABOUT $750,000 FOR THAT OR WHAT? OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU WEREN'T GETTING RID OF THAT. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND MAKE COMMENTS OR HAVE QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS ISSUE? SEEING NONE, I'D CALL FOR A MOTION MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING BY COUNCILMAN MCBURNETT. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN JARED DAVIS. PLEASE VOTE. OKAY. IS PART OF THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED AT 8:40 P.M. CITY MANAGER. YES, I THINK YOU HAD YOU HAD MENTIONED TO ME WHAT ARE WHAT ARE WHERE DO WE STACK UP ON TAX RATES WITH OTHER BEST SOUTHWEST CITIES? SO CEDAR HILLS RATES AT 0.638. DE SOTO'S IS A 0.684 AND THEN LANCASTER IS 0.59. LANCASTER ADOPTED THEIR RATE ON THE 31ST OF AUGUST. DE SOTO IS DOING THEIRS TONIGHT IN CEDAR HILL. ADOPTED THEIRS LAST TUESDAY. I BELIEVE IT'S THE EIGHTH. SO WE'RE NOT THE HIGHEST RATE, BUT WE'RE NOT THE LOWEST RATE. SO I BUT JUST THAT PROVIDING THAT INFORMATION. THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN COUNCILWOMAN GOODEN THANK YOU MAYOR. I'M JUST ASKING THE SAME QUESTIONS I ASK ANNUALLY. SO COULD YOU, MISS ODIE, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AND THE WORK THAT'S GONE INTO PREPARING THE BUDGET AND TALKING TO NOT ONLY YOUR INTERNAL STAFF, BUT ANSWERING 
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ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT WE'VE HAD AS COUNCIL. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR DEDICATION. I APPRECIATE YOU. SO AS WE TALK ABOUT THE TAX RATE, COULD YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND OR HELP ME UNDERSTAND FUND BALANCE, STATE LAW? HOW MUCH DO WE HAVE TO RETAIN WITHIN THE FUND BALANCE BY THE STATE LAW? NOW TO ADMIT STATE LAW, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WHAT STATE LAW MIGHT ACTUALLY SAY, BUT GFOA, FOR EXAMPLE, BEST PRACTICE IN TERMS OF FINANCIAL BOOKKEEPING AND EVERYTHING, 60 DAYS REALLY IS THE MINIMUM. SO HAVING 60 DAYS OF FUND BALANCE ON HAND IS WHAT IS RECOMMENDED. OBVIOUSLY, YOU CAN, BY POLICY HAVE SOMETHING HIGHER, WHICH WE DO, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING TO NEXT. OUR POLICY IS HIGHER THAN WHAT IS REQUIRED BY THE GFA IS THAT 150 DAYS, 90 DAYS AS A MINIMUM? YES, MA'AM. AND THEN 150 AS A MAXIMUM. OKAY, SO WE WERE JUST ASKED AND I'M GOING SOMEWHERE WITH THIS. WE WERE JUST ASKED TO IDENTIFY SOME ONE TIME EXPENDITURES. THAT IS BECAUSE WE HAD AN EXCESSIVE AMOUNT OF FUND BALANCE BEYOND WHAT WE SAID. WE WERE RETAINED AS THE POLICY, CORRECT? YES, MA'AM. 
          AND THEN WE STILL HAVE. AND WHAT DID WE HOW MUCH DID WE REALLOCATE IN THE LAST. I THINK IT WAS THE LAST BUDGET WORKSHOP WHERE WE IDENTIFIED SOME ONE TIME EXPENDITURES. DO WE RECALL THE TOTAL OF THAT. SO WE DID NOT FROM THAT WORKSHOP, YOU KNOW, DECIDE TO TRANSFER ANY ADDITIONAL ABOVE THE 150. BUT IF WE BETWEEN 90 DAYS AND 150, THAT TOTAL VALUE IS ABOUT 7 MILLION, 7 MILLION. AND WE WERE OVER THE 7 MILLION MARK IN THE FUND. FUND BALANCE RIGHT NOW IS ABOUT 18 MILLION, ABOUT 18 MILLION. SO WITH THAT SAID, I UNDERSTAND THE MARKET AND I UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE EXPENDITURES THAT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO MEET. BUT I THINK EVERY YEAR WE HEAR THE THE STATEMENT THAT WE ARE BELOW BUDGET OR WE'RE HAVING BUDGET ISSUES, BUT EVERY YEAR WE ALSO HAVE MONEY TO ADD INTO THE FUND BALANCE. 
          IT DEPENDS. YOU KNOW, MAYBE REVENUES CAME IN HIGHER THAN WE PROJECTED AND EXPENDITURES WERE LESS. SO, YOU KNOW, USUALLY IT'S A VARIABLE OF THAT AS WELL. OKAY. SO THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE TAX RATE. THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS WHEN IT COMES TO THE TAX RATE. I THIS IS ANYTHING NEW. I'VE ALWAYS JUST HAD CONCERN THAT WE GO WITH THE HIGHEST AMOUNT. AND I KNOW A COUPLE YEARS AGO WE'VE DONE EXERCISES WHERE WE SAW WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF WE DID THIS AMOUNT OR IF WE DIDN'T GO FOR THE HIGHER AMOUNT, OR IF WE DID NO NEW REVENUE AMOUNT. AND WE STILL SAW THAT THERE WAS A DEFICIT. SO THIS YEAR, I DON'T KNOW. DID WE DO A SCENARIO AS SUCH WHERE WE TRIED DIFFERENT TAX RATES? WE DIDN'T PRESENT THAT SPECIFICALLY. NO. BUT WE HAVE A GENERAL IDEA IF DEPENDING ON WHICH RATE, YOU KNOW, WE POSSIBLY GO WITH HOW MUCH OF A REDUCTION THAT WOULD LEAD TO BE HOW IT WOULD IMPACT THE THE BUDGET IF WE WENT WITH A LOWER TAX RATE. BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT THE HIGHEST BEFORE IT TRIGGERS AN ELECTION FROM THE CITIZENS. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. THANK YOU. MR. DAVIS. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. JUST A QUICK QUESTION. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M FOLLOWING THE DOLLARS. WITH THIS PENNY INCREASE. WE ARE LOOKING TO REALIZE FROM A CITY BUDGETING PERSPECTIVE, AN ADDITIONAL $432,000, 3432. SO WHAT THIS IS JUST TRYING TO CONVEY IS WHAT, WHAT THAT COST WOULD BE. SO A PENNY LESS TO THE RESIDENT, RIGHT? BUT HOW MUCH WOULD THIS PENNY INCREASE? ARE WE ANTICIPATING AN INCREASE REVENUE THROUGH THIS TAX RATE. RIGHT. SO THE TOTAL TAX RATE GENERATES 900. AND IT'S ON THE OTHER PAGE 930 SOMETHING THOUSAND DOLLARS IN ADDITIONAL REVENUE FOR THE FULL AMOUNT JUST SHY OF A OF A MILLION. YES, SIR. JUST SHY OF $1 MILLION. 
          AND SO IN EXCHANGE FOR THAT 930, WE'RE PASSING BACK TO ALL OF US WHERE YOU'RE SAYING WHICH YOU ARE, YOU'RE MODELING A $12 AND 55 CENT INCREASE. NO, THIS IS JUST TO SHOW YOU WHAT'S WRITTEN IN THE TAX CODE. THIS IS NOT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CITY'S NECESSARILY BUDGET OR TAX RATE. BUT WE HAVE TO SHOW WE HAVE TO SHOW THESE SPECIFIC NUMBERS BY THE TAX CODE AND BY LAW IN TERMS OF WHAT GOES IN THE THE NOTICES AND ALL OF THAT. SO SINCE WE ARE INCREASING THE 
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TAX RATE BASED ON $100,000 HOME, WHEN YOU COMPARE IT TO THE PREVIOUS YEAR, IT'S GOING TO SHOW THAT THAT INCREASE IN PREVIOUS YEARS, WHEN OUR TAX RATE ACTUALLY WENT DOWN EVERY YEAR, YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN THAT NUMBER BE A NEGATIVE. WELL, I MEAN IT'S JUST AGAIN, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN IN THE TAX CODE. OKAY. THANK YOU. MY LAST QUESTION FOR YOU IS. DID WE MODEL AND THIS IS TO MY COLLEAGUE'S QUESTION. BUT I'M JUST GOING TO TRAIL IT A LITTLE MORE. DID WE MODEL WHAT OUR BUDGETING SCENARIO WOULD LOOK LIKE IF OUR TAX RATE REMAINED THE SAME IN TERMS OF NOT REALIZING THE $930,000? WE DID NOT. OKAY. THANK YOU. MR. KOONTZ. THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO I KNOW IN YEAH, AS I SAID, MAYOR PRO TEM. BUT COUNCILWOMAN GOODEN SAID WE HAVE HAD THAT THAT THOSE COMPARISONS IN THE PAST. I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING THEM IN THE PRESENTATIONS, BUT I DO REMEMBER IN PAST CONVERSATIONS WHEN WE WERE MAKING THOSE COMPARISONS, THE QUESTION WAS ALWAYS, OKAY, SO IF IF WE'RE GOING TO FORFEIT $200,000 IN REVENUE OR HALF $1 MILLION IN REVENUE, WHERE IS THAT COMING OUT OF? SO IS IT GOING TO COME OUT OF, YOU KNOW, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS? IS IT GOING TO COME OUT OF PARKS? IS IT GOING TO COME OUT OF SALARIES? WHAT WHERE IS IT GOING TO COME FROM? AND SO WE HAVE HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS IN THE PAST BEFORE, AGAIN, FOR FOR ANYONE RECOMMENDING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CONTINUE TO, YOU KNOW, THAT WE LOWER THAT RATE, THAT WE ALSO NEED TO KNOW WHERE WE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS ON WHAT SERVICES THAT WE WOULD BE CUTTING. AND SO, BUT I DO REMEMBER HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS. AND BACK TO THE, THE QUESTION ABOUT OR ACTUALLY YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT COMPARATIVE RATES, RIGHT? COMPARING US TO TO OTHER CITIES, AND I WOULD BE MORE INTERESTED IN SEEING NOT JUST OUR RATE OR PROPOSED RATE NOW COMPARED TO OTHER CITIES, BUT HISTORICALLY, THE CHANGE OVER THE LAST MAYBE TEN, MAYBE 15 YEARS. AND NOT TO BE THIS ISN'T MEANT TO BE CRITICAL IN ANY WAY OF PREVIOUS COUNCILS BECAUSE I WASN'T HERE, SO I COULDN'T I COULDN'T SAY EXACTLY WHY. I KNOW AT SOME POINT WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE CHANGES HISTORICALLY OF OTHER CITIES, THAT THERE WAS A GRADUAL INCREASE OVER A DECADE, 12 YEARS OR WHATEVER IT WAS. AND AS THOSE EXPENSES GO UP AND THE PRICE OF CONTRACTS GO UP AND THE PRICE OF MATERIALS GO UP, AND WE ARE COMPARING THE CITY OF DUNCANVILLE TO OTHER CITIES THAT WHILE THEY WERE GRADUALLY, INCREMENTALLY RAISING THEIR RATES, THE CITY OF DUNCANVILLE, THAT WE WERE HAPPY TO SAY THAT WE WERE KEEPING OUR RATES LOW AGAIN, I WASN'T HERE. I'M NOT. AGAIN, IT'S NOT TO BE CRITICAL OF ANYONE THAT WAS SITTING IN THESE SEATS PREVIOUSLY, BUT WHILE WE WERE KEEPING OUR RATES LOW AND OUR EXPENSES WERE GOING UP, OTHER CITIES WERE GRADUALLY MAKING THOSE CHANGES. AND SO NOW WE'RE IN A SITUATION WHERE WE'VE REALIZED THROUGH VARIOUS PRESENTATIONS FROM CONSULTANTS AND OUR OWN STAFF, THAT NOW WE'RE APPROACHING A SERIOUS PROBLEM WITH THE GAP BETWEEN THE EXPENSES AND WHERE THE RATE IS. AND SO IT'S WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS, IS THAT INEVITABLY, IF WE DON'T COME UP WITH ADDITIONAL SOURCES OF REVENUE, THEN SOME OF THAT IS GOING TO HAVE TO COME OUT OF, YOU KNOW, FROM THE TAXPAYERS. AND NONE OF US LIKE TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE'RE TAXPAYERS AS WELL. 
          BUT AGAIN, I, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE ANY OF THAT HISTORICAL DATA OVER AGAIN THE LAST 10 OR 15 YEARS, THAT MIGHT TELL A DIFFERENT STORY ABOUT WHY OUR RATE IS PROPOSED THE WAY IT IS NOW. THANK YOU. I JUST MIGHT MENTION, WHILE WE. ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS HAS BEEN VERY COMPLICATED PROCESS, BOTH FOR STAFF AND THE COUNCIL TO GO THROUGH TO TRY TO BALANCE EVERYTHING AND COME UP WITH SOME REASONABLE CONCLUSIONS, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE HAVE. 
          WE'RE WE'RE JUST TO ME, WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE WE'VE SQUEEZED EVERYTHING WE COULD SQUEEZE OUT OF IT. AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT'S BEEN COMMENTED ON A COUPLE OF TIMES IS A PATHWAY THROUGH 2040 TO HELP BRING THINGS INTO ACTION IN DUNCANVILLE, TO GET US OUT OF THIS CYCLE. AND THAT'S WHAT THE HOPE IS, IS THAT BY HIRING CONSULTANTS THAT SEE WHAT OUR 
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PROBLEMS ARE, AND THEY CAN BRING SOLUTIONS IN THE FORM OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND MANY OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS UP HERE SAT ON THAT COMMITTEE. IT IS AN AVENUE. WE CAN'T WE CAN'T LOSE TRACK OF THE FACT THAT LONG TERM, WE OWE THE PUBLIC SOME HOPE THAT WE'RE BUILDING IN A DIRECTION THAT WILL. WE'RE GETTING ADVICE ON WHAT WILL BRING MORE REVENUE TO THIS CITY. 
          IF WE JUST DID THIS EVERY YEAR, YEAR IN AND YEAR OUT AND WE DIDN'T DO THE EXTRA EFFORT, I THINK WE'RE DOING A DISSERVICE TO THE PUBLIC BY NOT THINKING AHEAD. AT THE SAME TIME, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO MANAGE THESE REALLY DIFFICULT AND CHALLENGING PROBLEMS. SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT ABOUT THE THE OTHER EFFORTS WE'RE MAKING TO TRY TO WE CAME TO A REALIZATION A WHILE BACK AND IT WAS BROUGHT UP, AND I'VE MENTIONED THIS BEFORE, WHERE IT'S NOT UNCOMMON ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO SEE CITIES WHO ON A GRAPH, THEIR THEIR REVENUE HAS DROPPED BELOW THE RISE IN THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS. AND IT HAS TO DO WITH AGING INFRASTRUCTURE, THE INCREASED COST OF MATERIALS AND SERVICES TO FIX THAT INFRASTRUCTURE. AND IT'S A PROBLEM NOT JUST HERE IN DUNCANVILLE. IT'S A NATIONAL PROBLEM. IT'S A REALITY THAT AGING CITIES ARE GETTING MORE AND MORE EXPENSIVE TO MAINTAIN. SO YOU'VE GOT TO BALANCE THAT TOO, WHILE YOU'RE WHILE YOU'RE TRYING TO YEAR BY YEAR, COME UP WITH A BALANCED BUDGET. SO IT'S BEEN A REAL CHALLENGE AND IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE A CHALLENGE FOR SOME TIME. BUT IF WE'RE NOT DOING IF WE'RE NOT REACHING OUT TO THE FUTURE BY, BY LOOKING FOR PROFESSIONAL HELP AND WHAT WE CAN DO TO GENERATE NEW REVENUE AND WHAT CAN BRING IN MORE PEOPLE AND BUILD OUR POPULATION BACK UP, THEN WE'RE DOING A DISSERVICE. SO I, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY KNOWS WE'RE WORKING AT THIS FROM ALL ANGLES. AND I THINK I THINK IT'S A GOOD PLAN, AND I HAVE MUCH TRUST THAT IT WILL PAY OFF IN THE LONG RUN. IT IS OUT TO 2040. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE SEEING GOOD THINGS HAPPEN RIGHT NOW AS A RESULT OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, GIVING US IDEAS. SO I JUST WANT TO MENTION THAT PART TO, OKAY. MR. MCBURNETT MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE MOTION. I MOVE THE LET ME LET ME DO THIS BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE TO D. E. I'M SORRY. WE NEED TO MOVE. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. YOU SHOULD HAVE A HEARING. SHOULD HAVE A COPY. WELL, WE'RE MOVING. WE'RE MOVING OFF A D. WE'RE MOVING TO ITEM E NOW SO WE CAN MAKE THE MOTION CORRECT. YOU'RE DONE WITH THE TAX RATE PORTION AND YOU'RE READY TO MOVE ON. RIGHT. OKAY. SO LET ME JUST GIVE YOU SOME SOME SOME INSTRUCTIONS 
          [8.E. Consider an Ordinance approving and adopting a budget for the City for the  Fiscal Year October 1, 2026, through September 30, 2027. ]
HERE. SO THESE ITEMS AS YOU SEE HERE ON THE SCREEN ARE ALL RELATED TO THE BUDGET IN SOME FORM OR FASHION. SO I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT NOT EVERY SINGLE ITEM WILL HAVE AN IN DEPTH, YOU KNOW, PRESENTATION OR ANYTHING. I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH EACH OF THEM. BUT STARTING WITH, YOU HAVE TO ADOPT OR APPROVE THE BUDGET FIRST. OKAY, SO EIGHT E IS THE BUDGET ADOPTION AND THIS IS THE MOTION HERE. IF THAT'S WHAT YOU CHOOSE TO DO, IF YOU WANT TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS CHANGES, WHATEVER YOU DO, HAVE A WRITTEN COPY AS WELL IN FRONT OF YOU. 
          IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU WANT TO DO DIFFERENT. OKAY, WELL, WE'LL GO INTO THE DISCUSSION PHASE. 
          WE HAVE A BEGINNING OF A MOTION, MR. MCBURNETT. MAYOR, TO MAKE THE MOTION. OKAY, OKAY. I MOVE THE PROPOSED BUDGET FOR THE CITY OF DUNCANVILLE FOR FISCAL YEAR OCTOBER 1ST, 2026 THROUGH SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2027, PROVIDING THAT THE EXPENDITURES FOR SAID FISCAL YEAR SHALL BE MADE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SAID BUDGET BE ADOPTED. THIS BUDGET WILL RAISE MORE PROPERTY TAXES THAN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET BY $963,171, OR 3.81%, AND OF THAT AMOUNT, $21,629. IS TAX REVENUE TO BE RAISED FROM NEW PROPERTY ADDED TO THE TAX ROLL THIS YEAR? OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MARK BURNETT. SECOND, I HAVE A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN KOONTZ. ANY DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE. 
          [8.F. Consider an Ordinance of the City of Duncanville, Texas, levying Ad Valorem  Taxes for the Year 2026 at a rate of $0.611659 per one hundred dollars  ($100.00) assessed valuation on all taxable property within the corporate limits  of the City of Duncanville as of January 1, 2026, to provide revenues for  current expenses and interest and sinking fund requirements. ]
THANK YOU. OKAY, NOW WE MOVE ON TO ITEM F. THE SECOND ITEM IS THE ORDINANCE ON LOVING THE AD VALOREM TAXES. THIS IS THE SPECIFIC MOTION FOR THAT. MAYOR. I'LL MAKE THE MOTION AS WELL. I 
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MOVE THE PROPERTY TAX RATE BE INCREASED BY THE ADOPTION OF A TAX RATE OF 0.661659, WHICH IS EFFECTIVELY A 5.07% INCREASE IN THE TAX RATE. OKAY. I BELIEVE YOU SAID. 6610.6610.66165976611, 0.611659. THANK YOU. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MCBURNETT. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN KOONTZ. ANY COMMENTS? QUESTIONS PLEASE VOTE. OKAY. THANK YOU. 
          [8.G. Consider an Ordinance ratifying the Fiscal Year 2026-2027 Budget which  raises more revenue from property tax than in the previous year. ]
ITEM H G IS A RATIFICATION OF THE BUDGET. SO NOW THAT YOU ADOPTED THE BUDGET AND THEN NOW YOU ADOPTED A TAX RATE THAT INCREASES INCREASES THE TAXES, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO RATIFY THE BUDGET. SO THIS IS THE ORDINANCE TO RATIFY IT. BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO READ THIS. THIS IS JUST AN EXPLANATION OF WHAT THE ORDINANCE IS. SO BUT A SIMPLE MOTION. YEAH. SIMPLE MOTION WILL DO. MAYOR. I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE EIGHT G RATIFICATION OF BUDGET. 
          OKAY. MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MCBURNETT. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN KOONTZ. PLEASE VOTE. THANK YOU. 
          [8.H. Consider a Resolution adopting the Master Fee Schedule for FY 2026-2027. ]
ITEM H8H HAS TO DO WITH AMENDING THE MASTER FEE SCHEDULE. SO THIS IS A RESOLUTION AMENDING THE MASTER FEE SCHEDULE FOR THE 2027. SO A RECAP OF THE CHANGES IN THE MASTER FEES. WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, BUT WE HAVE THE ALARM PERMITTING AND THE FALSE ALARMS. THAT ORDINANCE IS ACTUALLY A LATER ITEM HERE, BUT THE FEES ARE REFLECTED OF THOSE CHANGES. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE FIRE RESPONSE RECOVERY WHERE WE BILL INSURANCE FOR FIRE RESPONSE. SO THE FEES ARE ATTACHED IN THE SCHEDULE. WE'VE UPDATED THE WATER SEWER RATES BASED ON THE ORDINANCE 2230 R, WHICH WAS THE FROM FIVE YEARS AGO. WE UPDATED HEALTH PERMITS. 
          THESE WERE JUST NOT INCLUDED IN THE MAY 2026 UPDATE THAT WAS BROUGHT TO YOU ALL, AS WELL AS PASSING ALONG CREDIT CARD FEES, MAKING SURE THAT THAT'S RECORDED IN THE MASTER FEE SCHEDULE. THIS IS JUST FOR PLANNING, PERMITTING, AND INSPECTIONS WHEN MGO GOES LIVE. 
          OKAY. ON THE ISSUE OF HEALTH PERMITS, WHERE IT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THE 526 UPDATE, ARE THOSE AND THIS. I GUESS TO ANYONE THAT THAT KNOWS THE ANSWER, ARE, ARE THE INCREASES IN KEEPING WITH THE SURROUNDING CITIES FEE STRUCTURE FOR HEALTH INSPECTIONS? I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT, BUT I DO KNOW FROM THAT ITERATION THAT WAS BROUGHT TO YOU BEFORE WITH THE BIG UPDATE ON PLANNING AND PERMITS, THOSE WERE JUST NOT REFLECTED IN THAT THAT RESOLUTION. SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF MARK'S THERE, BUT I BELIEVE IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THEY ARE UP TO DATE WITH NOT ONLY STATE LAWS, BUT SURROUNDING CITIES, BUT MARK CAN CONFIRM. YEAH. MARK RAUSCHER, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, CITY DUNCANVILLE. SO YES, WE DID LOOK AT NEIGHBORING CITIES AND THESE PARTICULAR CHANGES REFERENCED HERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN THAT EARLIER UPDATE BACK IN AUGUST, BUT THEY WERE SUBSEQUENTLY MISSED WITH ALL THE ITERATIONS THAT WERE GOING BACK AND FORTH. BUT THEY ARE IN ALIGNMENT WITH OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES HERE IN DALLAS. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY. COUNCIL, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM H8H? MASTER MOTION MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM H BY COUNCILMAN MCBURNETT. SECOND BY AT LARGE COUNCILWOMAN DEE GORDON. PLEASE VOTE. THANK YOU. ITEM EIGHT I IS THE TMRS ORDINANCE. AS A 
          [8.I. Consider an Ordinance regarding the City of Duncanville's Texas Municipal  Retirement System (TMRS) benefits adopting: (1) Retroactive Repeating  COLAs, for retirees and their beneficiaries; and (2) Annually Accruing Updated  Service Credits (USC). ]
PART OF THE BUDGET, WE WERE AMENDING THE BENEFITS OF RETIREMENT. SO THIS IS WILL UPDATE THAT BENEFIT PLAN. SO IT WILL NOW BE 100% REPEATING UPDATED SERVICE CREDITS WHICH AFFECTS EMPLOYEES AND THEN 30% REPEATING RETROACTIVE COLAS FOR RETIREES. SO THIS WILL TAKE EFFECT JANUARY 1ST. I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM EIGHT. I SECOND OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM I BY COUNCILMAN MCBURNETT. SECOND BY AT-LARGE REPRESENTATIVE MONICA GOODEN. PLEASE VOTE. THANK YOU. ITEM EIGHT J IS THE FALSE ALARM ORDINANCE. SO AS WE TALKED 
          [8.J. Consider an Ordinance updating - False Alarms - Alarm Permitting ]
ABOUT UPDATING FALSE ALARM FEES AND FALSE ROBBERY ALARMS AND REPEATED FALSE ALARM 
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OCCURRENCES. SO THIS IS THE RECAP OF THE CHANGES WITHIN THAT ORDINANCE. AND WE'RE PROPOSING A TIERED PERMIT STRUCTURE. SO $35 IS THE CURRENT CHARGE FOR NON-SENIORS. 
          SENIORS WILL HAVE A $25 CHARGE. THE IT'LL GO UP TO $100 FOR COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES AND $200 FOR BANKING FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS. AND THEN THE FALSE ALARM ROBBERY ALARMS HAS AN UPDATED. BASED ON THE OCCURRENCE AND THE FREQUENCY OF ADDITIONAL FALSE ALARMS. SO IT'S ALL WRITTEN WITHIN THE WITHIN THE ORDINANCE. THANK YOU. MOTION TO APPROVE EIGHT J. OKAY. 
          MOTION TO APPROVE BY COUNCILMAN MCBURNETT. SECOND BY AT-LARGE REPRESENTATIVE DEMONICA GOODEN. 
          PLEASE VOTE. THANK YOU. ITEM EIGHT K IS THE ORDINANCE FOR A MERGER FIRE PROGRAM AND RATE. 
          [8.K. Consider an Ordinance establishing and implementing a program to charge  mitigation rates for the deployment of emergency and non-emergency services  by the Fire Department for services provided/rendered for the City of  Duncanville.]
SO THIS IS THIS ORDINANCE APPROVES THE FIRE RESPONSE AND COST RECOVERY PROGRAM. IT ESTABLISHES THE MITIGATION RATES. THIS PROGRAM WILL ALLOW AGAIN FOR THE BILLING AND COLLECTIONS FOR INSURANCE FOR FIRE RESPONSES. MAYOR MEGAN, THE MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM EIGHT K MOTION TO APPROVE BY COUNCIL MEMBER MCBURNETT. SECOND. SECOND BY LARGE REPRESENTATIVE DE MONICA GOODEN. PLEASE VOTE. THANK YOU. AND THEN LASTLY, EIGHT L IS A 
          [8.L. Consider a Resolution authorizing an addendum to the service agreement with  Emergicon, LLC, adding billing and claims management services with  Emergifire for fire response and cost recovery services for a service fee of  15% of revenues collected. ]
RESOLUTION. SO THIS IS THE AN ADDENDUM TO A MERGER CON FOR A MERGER FIRE. SO AS YOU MAY KNOW, EMERGING CON IS OUR EMS COLLECTIONS PROVIDER AND EMERGENT FIRE IS A PARTNER TO THEM. AND SO TO ADD TO THE SERVICES IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO BILL AND COLLECT FOR INSURANCE, IT'S AN ADDENDUM TO THE AGREEMENT AND CONTRACT. SO THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THIS RESOLUTION. THANK YOU. MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM EIGHT L MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM L BY COUNCILMAN MCBURNETT. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MAYOR PRO TEM PENNEBAKER. PLEASE VOTE. THANK YOU. OKAY. 
          [8.M. Conduct a public hearing and consider a zoning text amendment and  amendment to the land use chart to allow HUD-code manufactured homes as  a permitted land use in the Estate Single-Family Residential District (SF-43)  zoning district. ]
THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL. OKAY. NOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM EIGHT M. AND THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER A ZONING TEXT, AMENDMENT AND AMENDMENT TO THE LAND USE CHART TO ALLOW HUD CODE MANUFACTURED HOMES AS A PERMITTED LAND USE. 
          GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL AGAIN, MARK RAUSCHER, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER. SO YOU ALL ARE FAMILIAR I THINK WITH WITH SENATE BILL 785. WE'VE SPOKEN ABOUT THAT PREVIOUSLY. YOU KNOW, THIS IS A NEW SENATE BILL THAT GOES INTO EFFECT SEPTEMBER 1ST OF THIS MONTH. AND BASICALLY, LONG STORY SHORT, IT IT ESSENTIALLY RESTRICTS CITIES FROM HAVING EXTRA HURDLES, IF YOU WILL, TO ENABLE HUD MANUFACTURED HOUSING TO EXIST WITHIN YOUR CITY. SO IN ESSENCE, WE NEED TO IDENTIFY AND ENABLE THAT TYPE OF HOUSING USE TO EXIST IN THE CITY BY RIGHT IN AT LEAST ONE RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT. AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT DOES PRESERVE LOCAL AUTHORITY BECAUSE IT GIVES US THE ABILITY TO ESSENTIALLY SPECIFY WHERE WE WANT THIS HOUSING TYPE TO BE. AND, AND, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE OTHER ASPECTS THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT AS FAR AS SIZING AND SETBACKS AND, AND INSTALLATION AND SO FORTH. SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS HERE THAT, THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH IN THE PAST. BUT AS I'LL SHOW YOU HERE MOMENTARILY, THERE ARE SEVERAL DIFFERENT TYPES OF HUD CODE MANUFACTURED HOMES. IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, STEREOTYPICAL MOBILE HOME, YOU KNOW, FROM THE 60S OR THE OR THE 70S. IN A LOT OF CASES, THESE ARE MODULAR IN DUSTRIAL BUILT HOMES THAT IN A LOT OF WAYS LOOK LIKE YOUR TYPICAL, YOU KNOW, BRICK AND MORTAR HOUSE. THAT'S, THAT'S BUILT FROM SCRATCH ON A, ON A CONCRETE FOUNDATION. CURRENTLY, DUNCANVILLE IS ZONING ORDINANCE DOES ALLOW FOR HUD CODE MANUFACTURED HOMES TO EXIST WITHIN THE SF 43 OR ESTATE RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT. HOWEVER, YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN SUP IN ORDER TO TO DO THAT. AND THAT'S SPECIFICALLY THE KIND OF THING THAT SENATE BILL 785, YOU KNOW, NOW PREVENTS CITIES FROM FROM DOING. SO. AGAIN, THESE ARE JUST SOME EXAMPLES OF WHAT HUD CODE MANUFACTURED HOME CAN LOOK LIKE. THE MAIN THING WITH THIS SLIDE IS YOU'VE, YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE THAT RED LABEL THAT YOU SEE THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE, OF THE SLIDE THAT THAT CERTIFIES THAT IT DOES MEET ALL THE FEDERAL HOUSING REQUIREMENTS FOR HUD CODE MANUFACTURED HOUSING. SO STAFF 
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RECOMMENDS TONIGHT APPROVING THE USE OF A HUD CODE MANUFACTURED HOME WITHIN THE SF 43 ESTATE STYLE ZONING DISTRICT BY RIGHT, AS LONG AS IT'S SUBJECT TO THE LAND USE REGULATIONS IN THAT DISTRICT. SO YOU CAN SEE THERE ITEMS A THROUGH D, YOU KNOW, THE HOME WOULD STILL HAVE TO TIE INTO THE MUNICIPAL WATER AND SEWER SYSTEM. IN OTHER WORDS, NO SEPTIC TANKS. THE HOME WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A PERMANENT FOUNDATION AND MEET ALL THE FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS RELATED TO THE DESIGN OF THE HOME, THE INSULATION, PLUMBING AND ELECTRICAL SYSTEMS AND SO FORTH. THE HOME WOULD ALSO HAVE TO BE INSTALLED UTILIZING APPROVED ENGINEERING STANDARDS AND ADHERING TO THE CITY'S SETBACK REQUIREMENTS FOR FRONT YARD, SIDE YARD AND REAR YARD, FOR EXAMPLE. AND LASTLY, THE HOME WOULD ALSO HAVE TO PROVIDE FOR OFF STREET PARKING. IN OTHER WORDS, IT WOULD HAVE TO HAVE GARAGE SPACES AVAILABLE FOR FOR THE HOME TO EXIST. LAST NIGHT WE WE DID PRESENT THIS ITEM TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND IT WAS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. AND SO WE'RE WE'RE BRINGING IT BACK TO YOU TONIGHT. 
          WE DID WE DID NOTICE IN THE NEWSPAPER AND, YOU KNOW, PUBLICLY THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS ITEM WOULD BE DISCUSSED AT BOTH THE P AND Z ON SEPTEMBER 14TH, AS WELL AS HERE TONIGHT AT CITY COUNCIL. SO IT WAS A DUAL NOTICE. SO WITH THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY, ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE TONIGHT. I'M. A MOTION TO APPROVE, MR. MAYOR. WE NEED TO WE NEED TO THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I'LL NEED TO. OH, OKAY. OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          SO AT THIS. OH. THAT'S RIGHT. LET'S GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 8908. AND I'LL START BY ASKING ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT HAS ANY COMMENTS FOR OR AGAINST THIS ISSUE. PLEASE STEP FORWARD AND LET US HEAR YOUR QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. OKAY. SEEING NONE. 
          I'LL ACCEPT A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO MOVED. SECOND. OKAY, WE GOT A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER MCBURNETT. SECOND BY. COUNCILMAN KOONTZ. AND THAT WOULD BE CLOSED AT 908. 
          PLEASE VOTE. 909. OKAY. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS? COUNCILMAN PENNEBAKER. JUST ONE QUESTION. 
          AS FAR AS THE FOUNDATION, IT WOULD BE THE THE HUD CODE FOR FOUNDATIONS. WE COULDN'T REQUIRE THEM TO HAVE A SLAB. IT'D BE THE TIE INS. AND AS FAR AS THE FOUNDATION FOR THE HUD. 
          SO. SO WE WOULD REQUIRE WHAT'S IN OUR IN OUR BUILDING STANDARDS IN THAT CASE. SO YOU, YOU, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO JUST ROLL IN A, YOU KNOW, A MOBILE HOME AND PUT SOME LITTLE METAL ANCHORS INTO THE DIRT AND, AND, AND CALL IT A DAY. OKAY. AND THAT'S, THAT WOULD MAKE BECAUSE MOST OF THEM ARE LIKE THAT TO SOME DEGREE. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S, YOU'RE NOT TOO FAR AWAY FROM HAVING A CONSIDERED REAL PROPERTY. ONCE YOU DO THAT, REMOVE THE WHEELS AND THINGS LIKE THAT FROM IT. CORRECT. AND THAT'S ALL FOR THAT. AND I'M NOT REALLY CONCERNED AT ALL ABOUT THIS AFFECTING PROPERTY VALUES, ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING TO HAVE AND WELL, WE'VE GOT TO HAVE IT. SO YEAH, THESE MANUFACTURED HOMES DON'T COME WITH WHEELS. THOSE ARE THOSE ARE MOBILE HOMES. BUT BUT HAVING SAID THAT, HAVING SAID THAT, SO THEY WOULD WOULD BUY OUR CODE. THEY WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO BE BROUGHT IN AND BUILT ON SOME KIND OF A RETAINING SYSTEM AND ANCHORED INTO THE GROUND, BECAUSE TRADITIONALLY THAT'S HOW THEY'RE INSTALLED. WOULD WE BE ABLE TO MANDATE THAT THEY ARE PLACED ON A CONCRETE FOUNDATION? YES, SIR. OKAY. AND THEN YOU HAD THE SLIDE WITH THE MAP. IF YOU GO BACK TO THAT ONE. OKAY. SO THE LIGHT GREEN AND MY EYES ARE REALLY STRAINING. THAT LOOKS LIKE THE SF 43 IS THE LIGHT GREEN. YES, THAT IS CORRECT. SO THERE ARE THERE ARE A FEW LOTS THAT ARE ALONG CEDAR HILL ROAD IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE CITY, AND EACH OF THOSE LOTS ALREADY HAS A LARGE, YOU KNOW, CONVENTIONAL HOME ON THEM. AND THEN MOVING FURTHER EAST OVER TOWARDS THE COCKRELL HILL CORRIDOR, JUST JUST NORTH OF WINTERGREEN THERE. MOST OF THAT LAND ON THAT NORTHWEST CORNER OF OF COCKRELL HILL AND AND WINTERGREEN IS IS DUNCANVILLE 
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ISD OWNED PROPERTY. YOU KNOW, THE OLD F A FFA AND AG BARN AREA AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT STILL OWNS THAT. AND THEN JUST TO THE EAST OF COCKRELL HILL, THOSE IMMEDIATE LOTS CURRENTLY HAVE LARGE HOMES ON ESTATE STYLE HOMES ON THEM. AND THEN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER EAST IS, IS, IS THE COUNTRY CLUB. YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY ALL THE FAIRWAYS AND WHATNOT THAT MAKE UP THE IDEA THAT WE'VE DESIGNATED THESE AREAS MEETS THE STATE REQUIREMENT OR THE INTENT OF THE STATE REQUIREMENTS TO ALLOW THAT IF A PIECE OF THAT PROPERTY IS AVAILABLE, THAT THAT'S WHERE THE HUD MANUFACTURED HOME COULD GO. CORRECT. YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. 
          MR. PENNEBAKER. YES. THANK YOU. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, SINCE YOU BROUGHT THAT UP ABOUT THE MANUFACTURED HOME. SO THERE'S A DIFFERENT VARIETY OF MANUFACTURED HOMES WE HAVE. 
          MANUFACTURED HOMES AS FAR AS WHAT PEOPLE TYPICALLY CONSIDER MOBILE HOMES, WHICH NOW THEY'RE UPGRADED TO HUD STANDARDS, AND THEN YOU HAVE MODULAR AND CROSS MOD. SO OUR DOES THIS ENABLE MANUFACTURED HOMES TO COME ONTO A PROPERTY, NOT JUST THE MODULAR THAT WE'RE SEEING HERE FOR THE MOST PART. WELL, SO FOR WHEN YOU SAY MANUFACTURED HOME, THE MOBILE HOME, I BELIEVE. 
          YEAH. OLD SCHOOL RIGHT. A DOUBLE WIDE OR OR A SINGLE WIDE. RIGHT. CORRECT. AND SO BECAUSE OF OUR HOUSING, BECAUSE OF OUR BUILDING STANDARDS WITHIN THE SF 43 DISTRICT, THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PUT A SINGLE WIDE OR, OR YOUR, YOUR TYPICAL, I FORGET WHAT A TYPICAL DOUBLE WIDE IS. 
          IT'S PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, 1200FT■!S. IT GO 2000 2400. SO YEAH, THEY GET PRETTY, PRETTY GOOD SIZE. SO WITH THAT, ENABLE THAT TO GO DOWN IT, IT WOULD NOT. I MEAN, YOU WOULD NOT END UP WITH THE, THE TYPICAL MOBILE HOME THAT YOU'RE THINKING OF THE MANUFACTURER. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I WAS CURIOUS. THANK YOU. BECAUSE IN ESTATE STYLE RESIDENTIAL ZONING, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A HOME SIZE THAT'S A CERTAIN, YOU KNOW, FOOTPRINT. AND A LOT OF THESE WOULD NOT MEET THAT FOOTPRINT. IT WOULD ONLY BE HOMES THAT HAVE THIS HUD CERTIFICATION LABEL ON THEM. 
          CORRECT. WHICH SOME SOME DOUBLE WIDES AND WHATNOT DO, BUT AGAIN, NOT THE SAME LABEL. THEY'RE NOT THE SAME LABEL. CORRECT. YEAH. SO OKAY, WE WE BELIEVE THERE ARE PLENTY OF SAFEGUARDS HERE TO PROTECT THE INTEGRITY OF THIS ZONING DISTRICT. GOOD. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT MOTION. YES, MR. MAYOR. I MOVE YOU KNOW, WE'RE OUT OF THE PUBLIC HEARING. YES. I MOVED TO APPROVE ITEM EIGHT IN MM8M WITH AN AMENDMENT TO REQUIRE THESE MANUFACTURER HOMES TO BE PLACED UPON A CONCRETE FOUNDATION IN ACCORDANCE WITH SINGLE FAMILY HOME BUILDING REQUIREMENTS, SUCH AS THEY EXIST. AND. AND I HAVE COMMENTS IF I HAVE A SECOND TO THAT AFTERWARDS. OKAY. 
          SO LET ME BE CLEAR THAT THAT THAT CONDITION IS ALLOWED UNDER THIS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. ALRIGHT, SO WE HAVE A MOTION WITH AN AMENDMENT BY COUNCILMAN JARED DAVIS. I'LL SECOND. WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN AT LARGE D MONICA GOODEN. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? I DO HAVE JUST A COMMENT ABOUT ABOUT THE AMENDMENT. THANK YOU. 
          COLLEAGUES, FOR SECONDING THAT THAT MOTION IN HEARING THE DISCUSSION AND THE DESIRE TO HAVE THESE PLACED UPON A CONCRETE AND THE ABILITY FOR US TO IMPLEMENT SUCH A REQUIREMENT TO MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE WERE SHOOTING FOR IN, IN SOME OF THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS. SO I'LL LET YOU ALL WORK OUT THE TEXT OF THAT LANGUAGE. BUT IN ESSENCE, I'M WANTING HEARING MY COLLEAGUES, I WANT THEM TO BE PLACED UPON. THE MOTION IS INTENDED FOR THEM TO PLACE UPON A CONCRETE FOUNDATION SIMILAR TO THAT WE REQUIRE. I THINK THAT I REMEMBER THIS BRIEFING FROM A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AND FROM A PLANNING AND ZONING PERSPECTIVE. I THINK THIS BRINGS US IN COMPLIANCE WITH WHAT THE LAW REQUIRES. I THINK THAT I WANT TO COMMEND YOU ALL FOR THINKING VERY APTLY ABOUT WHAT SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT THIS WOULD BE MOST SUITABLE IN, AND HOW THAT WOULD AFFECT OUR OUR LAND USE AND PLANNING. AND SO WITH THAT, I MAKE THAT MOTION AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS. OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE VOTE. THANK YOU. OKAY. WE MOVE ON TO ITEM EIGHT N, CONDUCT A 
          [8.N. Conduct a public hearing and consider a request to amend the Code of  Ordinances, Appendix B Subdivision Regulations and Section 5.02, Planning  and Zoning Commission of the Zoning Ordinance to delegate the Planning and  Zoning Director/Assistant Director or designee the authority to administratively  approve, approve with conditions, or disapprove all simple plats as defined by  the Zoning Ordinance.]
PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER A REQUEST TO AMEND THE CODE OF ORDINANCES. APPENDIX B 
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SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS AND SECTION 5.02. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL SHEILA JONES, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND ZONING, HERE TODAY TO REQUEST TO AMEND THE CODE OF ORDINANCE FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO DELEGATE THE PLANNING AND ZONING DIRECTOR OR ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OR DESIGNEE. THE AUTHORITY TO ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVE, APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS OR DISAPPROVE ALL SIMPLE PLANS AS DEFINED BY THE ZONING ORDINANCE. SO THE PURPOSE FOR THIS REQUEST IS TO ALLOW THE APPROVAL FOR MINOR OR SIMPLE PLATS TO BE ABLE TO BE APPROVED BY THE DIRECTOR OR ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF THE PNC, OR WITH PLANNING AND ZONING. THE REASON FOR THIS ALSO IS TO HELP REDUCE SOME OF THE PUBLICATION COSTS FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS, AND ALSO TO ALLOW FOR MINOR PLATS TO BE APPROVED WITHIN THE 30 DAY SHOT CLOCK, WHICH IS REQUIRED BY THE STATE TIME FRAME. SO OUR CURRENT PROCESS RIGHT NOW, THE APPLICATION IS TYPICALLY SUBMITTED ON THE SET DATE, THE STAFF REVIEWS AND DOES ANY REVISIONS. A NOTICE TO THE NEWSPAPER IS DONE 15 DAYS PRIOR TO THE MEETING. AND THEN THE THE ACTUAL MAIL NOTICES ARE SENT OUT TEN DAYS PRIOR TO THE MEETING. THE STAFF IS GOING TO REVIEW IT AND PREPARE FOR PNC. PNC IS ONLY DONE ONCE A MONTH, SO IT'S THE SECOND MONDAY OF THE MONTH. IF IT'S APPROVED, THEN THE PLAT IS GOING TO GO AND BE RECORDED AT THE DALLAS CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT. AND THEN THE APPLICANT PROVIDES A RECORDING. PLATINUM APPLIES FOR THE PERMIT AS NEEDED WITH THE AMENDED PROCESS. IT STILL WILL HAVE TO BE SUBMITTED ON THE SET DATE. THE STAFF WILL STILL REVIEW IT, BUT WE WILL NOT HAVE TO DO THE PUBLIC NOTICE BECAUSE IT WILL BE DONE ADMINISTRATIVELY, SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE NEWSPAPER FEE AS WELL AS THE FEES THAT WILL GO WITH THE MAILERS. THE STAFF WILL STILL REVIEW DO REVISIONS. THEY WOULD STILL RECEIVE REVISIONS FROM THE DRC, WHICH INCLUDES THE ENGINEER, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS UTILITIES. 
          ALSO, ONCE OUR REVISIONS ARE ADEQUATELY MET, THE DIRECTOR AND OR ASSISTANT DIRECTOR WILL SIGN OFF ON IT, AND THEN IT WILL STILL NEED TO BE RECORDED WITH THE DALLAS CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT, AS WELL AS IT NEEDS TO BE RECORDED. AND THE PLAT HAS TO BE, OF COURSE, BROUGHT BACK FOR PERMITS WHEN THEY'RE NEEDED. SO AS FAR AS DEFINING THE MINOR OR SIMPLE PLATS, ALL OF THESE PLATS MUST MEET ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA. ONE THING IS THESE ARE SPECIFIC FOR PLATS AND OR PARCELS THAT HAS NEVER BEEN PLATTED WITH DALLAS COUNTY OR DCAD MINOR OR TECHNICAL ERROR CORRECTIONS AND AMENDMENTS IS ANOTHER THING THAT WILL BE CONSIDERED A SIMPLE PLAT OR MINOR PLAT. PROPERTY HAS AN EXISTING STRUCTURE ON THE SITE. MAJOR INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS AND CHANGES ARE NOT REQUIRED OR NEEDED. THAT'S GOING TO BE INCLUDED IN THE EASEMENT, THE DEDICATION OF THE RIGHT OF WAY AND OR OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE RELATED NEEDS, WHICH WILL MAKE THAT NULL AND VOID FOR A MINOR OR SIMPLE PLAT. AND THEN, OF COURSE, MINOR CHANGES TO THE BOUNDARY LINES. AS FAR AS THE DEFINITION, THIS WOULD BE THE BASIS OF THAT DEFINITION. BUT WE ARE OF COURSE GOING TO WORK WITH LEGAL IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE IT PROPERLY WORDED. SO THAT WAY IT CAN BE ABLE TO BE PUT FORTH AS FAR AS THE ORDINANCE CHANGE, AS FAR AS THE STAFF ANALYSIS, ONCE WE ONCE WE ASSESS THE SURROUNDING CITIES, THE CITY EXCUSE ME, FOR PRACTICES RELATED TO ADMINISTRATIVE MINOR PLAT APPROVALS, MANY OF THE CITIES WERE IN ALIGNMENT AND HAVE A LOT OF THE SIMILAR LANGUAGE AS FAR AS MINOR PLAT APPROVALS. SOME OF THE CITIES THAT WE LOOKED AT WAS CEDAR HILL. WE LOOKED AT RED OAK, WE LOOKED AT DESOTO. AND SO SOME OF ALL OF THEM HAVE SIMILAR MINOR PLAT APPROVAL PROCESSES. NO FEE CHANGES WOULD BE NECESSARY BECAUSE THE FEES HAVE ALREADY BEEN ASSESSED AND ADDED AND HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL. AND THIS AMENDMENT WILL ALSO ALLOW AN APPROVAL PROCESS FOR THOSE UNIQUE CASES AND SCENARIOS. WHEN A PARCEL IS BOUNDED BY OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES. WE CURRENTLY HAVE ONE PROPERTY LIKE THAT, AND SO THIS WOULD ALLOW US TO GET THAT MOVING FORWARD AS WELL, BECAUSE THAT IN ESSENCE WAS SOMETIMES IT'S CAUSED BY CIRCUMSTANCES THAT WE WOULDN'T THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY FAVORABLE. AND SO THAT IS ALL THESE ARE THE OPTIONS FOR CONSIDERATION. MR. DAVIS, YOUR LIGHTS ON. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. LIGHTS ON. OFF. 
          ALRIGHT. SO THANK THANK YOU, MR. JONES. QUICK QUESTION. YOU THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN. EXCUSE ME, I MISSED. WE'RE I NEED TO OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING. OH, OKAY. 
          OKAY. I APOLOGIZE. YOU'RE FINE. SO WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 921. 
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AND ASK THAT ANYBODY THAT'S HERE IN THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT THAT HAS ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? AGREE TO THIS OR NOT? STEP FORWARD. LET IT BE HEARD. ANYONE WANT TO STEP UP AND COMMENT ON THIS AGENDA ITEM? OKAY. SEEING NONE, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO MOVED. OKAY. MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER MCBURNETT. SECOND BY JARED DAVIS. OKAY. PLEASE VOTE. OKAY. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED AT 922. GO AHEAD, MR. DAVIS. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU, MISS JONES. THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE MINOR AND THE MAJOR AMENDMENTS. HAS STAFF CONDUCTED ANY REVIEW FROM A DATA PERSPECTIVE, IN THE NUMBER OF PLATS THAT WOULD FALL IN THIS CATEGORY? SO, YOU KNOW, YEAR OVER YEAR, YOU KNOW, IF WE DID A LOOK BACK, HOW MANY OF THE TOTAL PLATS WE RECEIVED WOULD FALL INTO THIS CATEGORY? SO I WOULD SAY THE MAJORITY OF OUR PLATS ARE ACTUALLY FALLING INTO THIS CATEGORY. YEAH, THAT'S MY QUESTION. WAS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, DID THEY VOTE UNANIMOUSLY FOR THIS CHANGE? YES. ONE OF THE FUNCTIONS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IN ANY CITY IS THEIR QUASI JUDICIAL RESPONSIBILITY TO APPROVE AND OR DENY PLATS, EVEN MINISTERIALLY. SO. THIS WOULD PRETTY MUCH TAKE AWAY FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION THEIR QUASI JUDICIAL FUNCTION BY VIRTUE, YOU KNOW, NOTWITHSTANDING SOME OTHER ASPECTS OF IT, BUT THE VOLUME OF IT WOULD BE TAKEN AWAY BY MOVING IN THIS DIRECTION. SO MAY I ASK, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT TRIGGERS? OPERATIONALLY THE REQUEST FOR THIS AMENDMENT? WELL, A LOT OF THE PLATS THAT WE HAVE, LIKE SOME OF THEM, MAY BE A PROPERTY LINE. AND I WOULD SAY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I MENTIONED WAS THE BOUNDING CIRCUMSTANCES. AND SO, FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT NOW WE DO HAVE A LOT THAT HAS SOME ISSUES BECAUSE IT'S BEEN LANDLOCKED AND PART OF IT BEING LANDLOCKED, I DON'T THINK IT WAS NECESSARILY OF COURSE, IT WASN'T ON PURPOSE, BUT WITH OTHER DEVELOPMENTS AND THINGS. SO WITH THAT, WITH THAT ISSUE COMING UP, SOME OF THE BACKLASH FROM IT IS, OF COURSE, YOU CANNOT DEVELOP ON A LOT THAT'S LANDLOCKED. AND SO THIS WOULD ALLOW BECAUSE THE ONLY THING IS THE PROPERTY OWNER OWNS BOTH PIECES OF THIS LAND. SO IT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO LITERALLY BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT LAND PLATTED VERSUS HAVING TO COME BACK THROUGH THE WHOLE BOARD. BUT THIS IS THAT'S ONLY ONE CASE IN THAT INSTANCE. BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF OTHER CASES THAT A LOT OF TIMES IT MAY BE JUST A LINE. AND THEN NOT ONLY THAT, WE HAVE CERTAIN WE'VE HAD SITUATIONS IN WHICH THE PLANNING AND ZONING, YOU KNOW, WE MAY NOT MEET THE QUORUM OR EVERYTHING. AND SO IT RUNS INTO THAT SHOT CLOCK. AND SO ONCE THE SHOT CLOCK, NO MATTER WHAT, IT ENDS UP BEING THAT IT HAS TO BE APPROVED BASED OFF OF STATE REQUIREMENTS. AND SO A LOT OF TIMES THESE SAME PLATS, THEY CAN'T BE DENIED IF THEY MEET ALL THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS. AND SO IF THEY MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS VERSUS TAKING THEM THROUGH ALL THOSE DIFFERENT PROCESSES, IT SEEMED LIKE IT WOULD JUST BE MORE BUSINESS FRIENDLY TO GO AHEAD AND BE ABLE TO DO IT THIS WAY. AS FAR AS BEING ABLE TO DO IT ADMINISTRATIVELY. THANK YOU. IN YOUR EXPLANATION, YOU MENTIONED SOMEBODY THAT HAD A LANDLOCKED LOT, BUT THEY OWNED AN ADJACENT LOT. YES. AND SO WHAT WAS THE SOLUTION? SO THAT THAT LANDLOCKED LOT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S THE SAME OWNER COULD. SO THEY ORIGINALLY DID NOT OWN IT. THEY BOUGHT IT LATER ON. SO THEY OWNED THE ORIGINAL LOT. 
          THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL LOT THAT WAS ORIGINALLY OWNED. THEY BOUGHT THE ADJACENT LOT. SO THEN THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO GET TO A TO WHEATLAND BASICALLY. SO TO GET TO THE MAIN ROAD, OKAY. 
          SO THEY COULD REPLANT IT. YES. TO ONE LOT. YES. AND THEREFORE THEY COULD BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT ACCESS. YES. OKAY. ANOTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS REGARDING. AN ISSUE THAT WOULD COME UP FROM TIME TO TIME. AND LET'S SAY THAT WE HAD A LOT THAT JUST DIDN'T MEET THE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE REQUIREMENTS TO BUILD A HOUSE ON. WOULD THIS EMPOWER STAFF TO SUPERSEDE GOING TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT FOR THAT TYPE OF REQUEST? NO. OKAY. NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT PORTION. WE'RE NOT GOING TO SUPERSEDE. IF YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, IT'S LITERALLY ONLY THOSE LAWS THAT MAY HAVE ONE PROPERTY LINE THAT NEEDS TO BE MOVED OR THAT HAS A 
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MISSPELLING OR SOMETHING THAT IS NOT GOING TO REQUIRE THE VARIANCE OR THINGS OF THAT NATURE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THAT, COUNCILMAN PENNEBAKER. THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          THANK YOU DOCTOR. MINE IS ALSO AROUND THE BOUNDARY LINES, AND I'M I'M FAMILIAR WITH ANOTHER PROPERTY IN DUNCANVILLE WHERE THE PROPERTY OWNER OWNED BOTH PARCELS, SOLD A LANDLOCKED PARCEL INTENTIONALLY. SO THEY HAVE SOME CONTROL OVER THE ACCESS TO IT, BUT IT HAS AN IMPROVEMENT ON IT. SO IN THAT SORT OF SCENARIO WHERE YOU. PROPERTY LINES CONCERN ME A LOT AS FAR AS MOVING THEM AND WHAT'S, I GUESS WHAT'S WHAT'S CONSIDERED A MINOR CHANGE TO A PROPERTY LINE. AND HOW WOULD YOU ADDRESS THAT IF YOU HAVE A BETTING PROPERTIES? WELL, AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE LEGALLY, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO SELL LANDLOCKED PROPERTIES. AND SO WITH THAT INSTANCE THAT YOU DESCRIBED THAT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY FOLLOW UP ON THE MINOR LOT LINE BECAUSE IT WOULD FOR ONE, ONE PROPERTY OWNER SOLD IT INTENTIONALLY. SO YOU HAVE A WHOLE NOTHER SET OF SITUATION THAT'S IN THAT CASE. AND THEN THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS DONE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY CONTROL WHEN IT WHEN I'M TALKING ABOUT THIS LOT OR THE OTHER LOT THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT, THAT LOT, THE LANDLOCKED WAS CREATED IN ESSENCE BY CITY. 
          SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN A PERSON INTENTIONALLY GOING AND LANDLOCKED THAT. SO THAT WOULDN'T BE THAT WOULDN'T FALL UPON THE LANDLOCKED, THAT WOULDN'T FALL UP UNDER A MINOR LOT. AND SO WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING, I THINK, IS IF YOU HAVE TWO SEPARATE OWNERS ON A PROPERTY LINE, THAT'S NOT A MINOR CHANGE. REGARDLESS IF IT'S ONE FOOT, ONE INCH, ANYTHING LIKE THAT. CORRECT. OKAY. OKAY. I'M SORRY, MR. KOONTZ. THANK YOU. MAYOR. I APPRECIATE, MR. DAVIS, SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS BECAUSE YOU GOT THE HAMSTERS RUNNING. SO, YOU KNOW, SO THE COUNCIL IS THE ZONING AUTHORITY AND THE THE PNC. THEY'RE THEY'RE RECOMMENDING BODY. AM I CORRECT ON THAT? AND SO, YOU KNOW, TO MR. DAVIS'S QUESTION, YOUR RESPONSE WAS THAT, YEAH, MOST OF THE REPORTS THAT COME TO US FALL UNDER THIS CATEGORY. AND WE HAVE THAT, THAT THAT BODY, THAT COMMISSION TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO US. ULTIMATELY, WE MAKE THE DECISION, BUT THEY DO MAKE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS TO US. AND SO I I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT, BUT FOR PLATTS, THEY ACTUALLY DON'T COME TO COUNCIL. THEY ONLY COME TO PNC. OKAY. OKAY. IT'S CORRECT. YES. OKAY. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SO E EVEN THEN. SO SO WE'RE NOT IN INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS AT ALL THEN. OKAY. THEY'RE THEY'RE THE ONLY ONES. OKAY. SO NOW THEY'RE TAKEN OUT OF THAT EQUATION AND NOW IT'S JUST THE STAFF MAKING THOSE DECISIONS. IS THAT HOW THIS IS BEING PRESENTED FOR MINOR PLATTS. YES. IT WOULD BE THE STAFF MAKING THOSE DECISIONS. BUT I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I DO SAY THAT EVEN WITH THAT, LIKE BY TIME STAFF REVIEWS IT AND IT GOES TO THE BOARD, EVERYTHING HAS TO MEET THE CERTAIN LEGAL REQUIREMENTS. SO IT HAS TO BE REVIEWED. IT HAS TO BE ANYTHING. IT HAS TO BE MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS OF AFTER THE REVISION. AND SO AT THAT POINT, WHEN IT ACTUALLY GOES TO THE BOARD, THEY THEY DON'T HAVE THE OPTION TO, TO DENY IT BECAUSE IT'S MET ALL THOSE REQUIREMENTS. 
          AND STAFF IS NOT GOING TO BRING IT TO THE BOARD WITHOUT IT MEETING THOSE REQUIREMENTS, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO ULTIMATELY GET DENIED. OKAY. I THAT, THAT THAT EXPLANATION LEADS ME TO THINK THAT WE DON'T EVEN NEED THEM FOR THIS PROCESS. IS THAT NO, YOU DO NEED THEM. 
          YOU DON'T NEED THEM FOR THE MINOR. WELL, IT'S NOT THAT YOU DON'T NEED THEM, BUT MINOR. 
          THEY'RE STILL ARE MAJOR PLATTS. OKAY. AND MAJOR PLATTS REQUIRE A LOT MORE. MORE LOOK. AND SO PLANNING AND ZONING WOULD BE VERY INSTRUMENTAL FOR THAT VERSUS HAVING A DEVELOPER WAIT A MONTH AND SOMETIMES MORE IN THAT IF WE DON'T OR OTHER THINGS COME UP. SO SO WHEN WE LOOK AT MINOR, THE DEFINITION FOR MINOR OR SIMPLE PLATTS, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN HERE ABOUT THE ACTUAL SIZE. SO SO THIS APPLIES TO 40 ACRES THE SAME AS IT APPLIES TO TO A QUARTER OF AN ACRE. SO THE MINOR AND SIMPLE DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE SIZE OF THE NO. SO IT COULD BE A REALLY LARGE REPLAT. IT'D BE YES. THAT WOULD FALL UNDER THIS CATEGORY. 
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YES. OKAY. THAT'S AGAIN, I, I WAS GOING TO SAY A COUPLE, A COUPLE PAGES BACK, THERE'S AN INDICATION THAT, THAT YOU HAVE NOT COMPLETED THE PROCESS OF DEFINING A MINOR, RIGHT? SO THESE ARE THE BASIS OF WHAT WE ARE CONSIDERING TO BE A MINOR PLAT. AND SO WE'RE STILL TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A SOLID DEFINITION FOR THE ORDINANCE PORTION OF IT. SO WE'RE BEING ASKED TO CONSIDER APPROVING SOMETHING THAT ISN'T COMPLETE. MAYBE. WELL. OH, OKAY. LET ME LET ME JUMP IN REAL QUICK. SO NOT QUITE FINISHED WITH MY QUESTIONS, BUT BUT THAT'S A GOOD ONE. SO I'LL, I'LL WAIT. OKAY. SO REALLY, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE INTENTION OF THIS WAS IN THOSE CASES WHERE YOU HAVE, LET'S SAY, YOU KNOW, A HALF ACRE TRACT OF LAND THAT'S NEVER BEEN PLATTED. AND THE OWNER WANTS TO AND THERE'S NO BUILDING ON IT. AND THE OWNER WANTS TO GO AHEAD AND BUILD A HOUSE ON IT OR, OR MAYBE A BUSINESS IF IT'S A LONG COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR, BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SUBDIVIDE THAT PROPERTY. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE REQUIRE THEM TO PLAT IT BECAUSE IT'S PART OF OUR ORDINANCE, THEN THAT CASE WOULD BE CONSIDERED A MINOR OR SIMPLE PLAT, BECAUSE IT'S JUST A SMALL, SMALLER TRACT OF LAND. AND IT'S GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, ONE, MAYBE TWO LOTS AND, AND THAT'S IT. BUT IF YOU I MEAN, IN MY OPINION, IF YOU HAD THE, THE BIG 40 ACRE TRACT OF LAND OR I'M THINKING ABOUT THAT PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS ON NORTH COCKRELL HILL ROAD, YOU KNOW, A FEW MONTHS AGO, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS DENIED. IT WAS THE PROPOSED DUPLEX DEVELOPMENT. I MEAN, SOMETHING LIKE THAT'S A LOT MORE INVOLVED, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT STREET INFRASTRUCTURE. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, 20, 30, 40 LOTS. YOU KNOW, TO ME THAT THAT THAT WOULD STILL COME, COME THROUGH THE PROCESS. BUT WHEN IT'S SOMETHING SIMPLE OR YOU'RE JUST SLIGHTLY ADJUSTING, YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTY LINE FIVE FEET TO, YOU KNOW, ACCOMMODATE A UTILITY EASEMENT, FOR EXAMPLE, THEN THOSE WOULD BE THOSE CASES OF A MINOR OR SIMPLE PLAT. BUT YEAH, BUT EVEN SO, THAT'S ACTUALLY A GREAT EXAMPLE BECAUSE THAT THAT WOULD FALL, THAT COULD FALL UNDER THIS CATEGORY, RIGHT? MAJOR INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS, CHANGES ARE NOT REQUIRED OR NEEDED. BUT SO I. I THINK IN. THERE IS REQUIRED A, A PUBLIC HEARING CURRENTLY, RIGHT? SO FOR THE REPORTS THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING IS REQUIRED. CORRECT. AND THAT THAT ALSO CONCERNS ME A LITTLE BIT THAT WE WOULD TAKE OUT THAT ELEMENT, THAT ASPECT OF GIVING, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WITH ADJACENT OWN THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES AN OPPORTUNITY TO KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING. AND SO THAT, THAT, THAT DOES CONCERN ME AS WELL WITH THIS. BUT MAYOR, THANK YOU. I'LL STOP THERE, MR. DAVIS. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. REALLY, REALLY BRIEFLY. AND THANK YOU, COLLEAGUE KOONTZ, BECAUSE ONE OF MY QUESTIONS IS GOING TO BE AROUND WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THE PUBLIC INPUT AND HEARING PROCESS FOR SUCH AMENDMENTS. AND SO THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT THAT WOULD BE FORECLOSED ON THE PUBLIC AND FOLK IN THAT CASE. SO TONIGHT, THIS IS ON THE AGENDA, STYLED AS CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER A REQUEST TO AMEND THE CODE OF ORDINANCES. AND IT GOES ON. IF WE AMEND THE CODE OF ORDINANCES TONIGHT, WHAT'S THE DEFINITION FOR MINOR OR SIMPLE PLAT THAT WILL APPEAR IN THAT CODE OF ORDINANCES, AS AMENDED, THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING US TO DO TONIGHT? SO THE SO WHERE IT SAYS DEFINING MINOR AND SIMPLE, THAT'S GOING TO BE THE BASIS OF IT. SO IT'S GOING TO HAVE THE PLAT, A PARCEL THAT HAS NEVER BEEN PLANTED WITH DALLAS COUNTY MINOR TECHNICAL ERROR CORRECTIONS AND AMENDMENTS. THE PROPERTY HAS AN EXISTING STRUCTURE ON THE SITE, AND THE MAJOR INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT CHANGES ARE NO MAJOR STRUCTURE. INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT CHANGES WILL BE FOR THAT LOT AND THEN THE MINOR CHANGE OF THE BOUNDARY LINES. SO THOSE WILL BE THE BASIS OF THE ACTUAL THAT'S THE CRITERIA. 
          WHAT IS THE DEFINITION IN THE PROPOSED AMENDED TEXT OF THAT WE'RE ASKED TO TAKE ACTION ON TONIGHT FOR MINOR AND SIMPLE PLAT. I FOLLOW THE CRITERIA. IS THERE A DEFINITION BEFORE US? NO. OKAY. THANK YOU. I'LL GO AHEAD AND. KIND OF FOLLOW UP ON ON MR. DAVIS'S COMMENTS, BECAUSE I ASKED THAT QUESTION BEFORE. IT SEEMS LIKE WE'D WANT THAT DEFINITION BEFORE WE PROCEED ON. AND THAT WOULD BE MY OPINION. NORMALLY WE, YOU KNOW, WE GET THE FULL PACKAGE AND THERE'S NOT SOMETHING SAYING, GO AHEAD AND VOTE AND APPROVE THIS AND THEN BE 
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SURPRISED BY WHAT THE DEFINITION IS. SO MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT WE WE COMPLETE THE DEFINITION SO THAT WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE APPROVING WITHOUT QUESTION. AND RIGHT NOW WE KIND OF DON'T KNOW THAT YOU PUT A LOT OF HARD WORK INTO THIS. AND I APPRECIATE YOU DID MENTION THAT, THAT OTHER CITIES WERE WERE FOLLOWING THIS PATH TO TO FACILITATE QUICKER TURNAROUND ON THESE SMALL ISSUES. AND I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT. AND I THINK I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. BUT WITHOUT THE DEFINITION, WE'RE KIND OF VOTING ON IN THE BLIND HERE. SO I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM OTHER COUNCIL MEMBER PENNYBAKER. SO SO I THINK THE THOUGHT WAS REAL QUICK, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU'D START WITH THESE 5 OR 6 CRITERIA, AND THAT WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE THE LIMITING FACTOR. AND THEN WE WOULD WORDSMITH A AN OFFICIAL DEFINITION BASED ON THOSE CRITERIA. BUT I TOTALLY AGREE. AND WE CAN ALSO BRING BACK EXAMPLES OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING TO. MR. PENNYBAKER. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND. 
          I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THAT. DO THAT. HOWEVER, I'M FAMILIAR SITUATION. THERE WAS SO MUCH. 
          JUST CLARIFICATION FOR COUNCIL. DO YOU WANT A TABLE TO A SPECIFIC DATE LIKE OR JUST JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE ON THAT BECAUSE WE CAN. SO YOUR NEXT SCHEDULED REGULAR MEETING IS OCTOBER 20TH. SO WE COULD WE COULD JUST PLAN ON BRINGING IT, BRINGING IT FORWARD. THEN IF THAT WORKS. CAN WE HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS ITEM TO OUR NEXT MEETING ON OCTOBER 20TH, SECONDED BY AT LARGE REPRESENTATIVE DEMONICA GOODEN. PLEASE VOTE. MAYOR. WE DO HAVE OCTOBER 6TH AS THE NEXT MEETING. TO VOTE THERE. OKAY? OKAY. SO IF WE'RE IF WE'RE OKAY WITH OCTOBER 20TH AS THE MOTION INDICATED, PLEASE VOTE. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. NOW WE'RE 
          [7.N. Consider an ordinance amending the Code of Ordinances by revising Chapter  12G, “Automotive Repair, Restoration and Salvage Facilities,” to modify  provisions relating to vehicle storage timeframes, appeals, and record production timeframes. ]
GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM EIGHT, WHICH IS FORMERLY SEVEN N, AND THAT IS. CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES BY REVISING CHAPTER 12 G AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR, RESTORATION AND SALVAGE FACILITIES. 
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GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. MY NAME IS VICTOR PIZARRO, CODE ENFORCEMENT SUPERINTENDENT. I'M HERE JUST WITH A BRINGING BACK AN ORDINANCE THAT WE JUST KIND OF TALKED ABOUT LAST COUNCIL MEETING, AND IT'S REGARDING THE AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR AND RESTORATION AND SALVAGE FACILITIES. WE DO HAVE SOME AMENDMENTS THAT WE ADDED TO IT TO KIND OF GO OVER IT A LITTLE BIT. AGAIN, IT'S IT'S THE PURPOSE IS FOR TO REGULATE AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR, RESTORATION, SALVAGE, AND RECLAMATION ACTIVITIES TO PREVENT PROLONGED OUTDOOR STORAGE OF JUNK, INOPERABLE VEHICLES AND SCRAP MATERIALS TO PROTECT PUBLIC HEALTH SAFETY, NEIGHBORHOODS AND COMMUNITY ESTHETICS, TO MAINTAIN ZONING AND COMMUNITY STANDARDS WHILE REDUCING UNNECESSARY ADMINISTRATIVE BURDENS. SOME OF THE KEY PROVISIONS ON THIS IS GOING TO BE AN ANNUAL LICENSING AND REGISTRATION, VEHICLE STORAGE LIMITS, JUNKING INOPERABLE VEHICLE CONTROLS, ZONING PROTECTIONS AND PROHIBITED PRACTICES, CUSTOMER NOTICES AND DISCLOSURES, COMPLAINT DRIVEN RECORD KEEPING REQUIRED SIGNAGE STREAMLINE ENFORCEMENT. THE BENEFITS TO THE CITY IS TO TARGET VISIBLE NUISANCES AND COMPLIANCE ISSUES, PROTECT NEIGHBORHOODS AND COMMUNITY ESTHETICS, MAINTAIN CONSUMER AND ZONING PROTECTIONS, REDUCE STAFF WORKLOAD BY ELIMINATING ROUTINE LABOR INTENSIVE AUDITS. 
          FOCUS ENFORCEMENT ON COMPLAINTS, VISIBILITY, AND DOCUMENTED VIOLATIONS TO PROVIDE CLEAR AND CONSISTENT REQUIREMENTS FOR REGULATED BUSINESSES AND ALIGN BEST PRACTICES USED BY PEER AND SIMILAR CITIES. ANY QUESTIONS? DO WE HAVE COUNCILMAN? THANK YOU, MAYOR, AND THANK YOU, MR. PIZARRO, FOR STICKING AROUND FOR THIS LONG. AND SO COUNCIL, I WANTED TO TO FOR US TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS BECAUSE IT CAME BACK TO US AS A CONSENT AGENDA ITEM, BECAUSE IT LOOKED LIKE MAYBE THERE MAY HAVE BEEN A MISTAKE WITH SOME DAY NUMBERS THAT THAT WERE YOU KNOW, WHAT WE GOT WAS MAYBE NOT WHAT WAS INTENDED. SO, SO THE IN MAKE SURE I'M GETTING THIS RIGHT. 
          THE, THE, THE CORRECTION. SO WHAT WE PASSED, FOR EXAMPLE, SECTION 12 G SEVEN. WE WHAT WE PASSED NO INOPERABLE INOPERABLE VEHICLE MAY BE STORED OUTDOORS AND IN PUBLIC VIEW FOR MORE THAN 15 CONSECUTIVE DAYS WITHOUT EVIDENCE OF ACTIVE REPAIR. AND SO THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE FOR THE THE CHANGE, WHAT WE WOULD BE APPROVING AND THE CONSENT AGENDA BASICALLY CHANGES THAT 15 DAYS TO 30 DAYS, RIGHT? CORRECT. AND THEN THE SAME THING. AND THERE'S THERE'S A COUPLE OF OTHERS, SECTION 12 G, AND THESE ARE JUST A FEW THAT I HONED IN ON 12 G 17. 
          AGAIN, WE PASSED THAT NO VEHICLE MAY REMAIN OUTDOORS FOR MORE THAN 15 CONSECUTIVE CALENDAR DAYS WITHOUT ACTIVE RESTORATION WORK. AND THEN AGAIN, THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE. 
          NO VEHICLE MAY REMAIN OUTDOORS FOR MORE THAN 30 CONSECUTIVE CALENDAR DAYS WITHOUT ACTIVE RESTORATION WORK. AND SO, YOU KNOW, I WANT US TO TO GO OVER THIS AGAIN. AND I GUESS, MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS WHAT WE ACTUALLY WANT TO DO. I KNOW THAT WHEN WE HAD THIS WAS BEING PRESENTED TO US INITIALLY THAT WE WERE EXPECTING SOMETHING AGGRESSIVE AND AN AGGRESSIVE ORDINANCE THAT WOULD MAYBE SEND A MESSAGE AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE WOULD SEE SOME RESULTS IN SOONER THAN LATER AND SEE SOME CHANGES. AND SO I REMEMBER SEEING THAT 15 DAYS AND I THOUGHT, OKAY, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING 15 DAYS. I DID, I ACTUALLY CALLED UP AN OWNER OF AN AUTO REPAIR SHOP IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, AND I ASKED HIM IF HE THOUGHT THE 15 DAYS. WAS THAT TOO STRICT? WAS THAT TOO AGGRESSIVE? YOU KNOW, HE SAID THAT IN 2 TO 3 DAYS IS IS AN 
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AVERAGE REPAIR THAT YOU WOULD EXPECT A CAR TO, TO BE HANGING AROUND FOR MAYBE 2 OR 3 DAYS, HE SAID. FOR A MAJOR ENGINE REPAIR REPLACEMENT, A MAJOR ENGINE JOB, MAJOR WORK UP TO TWO WEEKS. AND IF IT'S THERE FOR OVER TWO WEEKS, NOW, IT'S YOU'RE STARTING TO STORE IT. 
          AND SO OF COURSE, AGAIN, IN OUR ORDINANCE THAT WE APPROVED, YOU KNOW, 15 DAYS, TWO WEEKS WAS A KIND OF IN THAT TIME FRAME. AND HE SAID, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S THERE FOR MORE THAN 15 DAYS, THEN YOU NEED TO MOVE IT SOMEWHERE OUT OF SIGHT, WHICH IS WHAT, WHAT WE HAVE HERE. AND, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHERE BEHIND A FENCE OR SOMETHING, WE KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE SEE HAPPENING ON MAIN STREET. AND WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF AUTO REPAIR PLACES, YOU KNOW, THE CARS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN THERE JUST FOR 30 DAYS, BUT FOR MONTHS AND SOMETIMES YEARS. AND SO I, I WOULD PREFER THAT WE KEEP THE 15 DAYS AGAIN AND KEEP THE ORDINANCE AGGRESSIVE AND SEND THAT MESSAGE. AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE DON'T APPROVE THIS, IT STAYS AS WE ALREADY APPROVED IT RIGHT AT THE 15 DAYS. SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS, MAYOR. LET'S SEE IF WE GET A REASON BEHIND ONE TO EXTEND IT TO 30 DAYS. THE REASON BEHIND IT IS TO STAY MORE ALIGNED WITH THE JUNK VEHICLE ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVE. SO A 30 DAYS, A VEHICLE THAT'S STANDING WITHOUT ANY KIND OF OPERATION OR INOPERABLE COMPLETELY, THEN IT BECOMES A JUNK VEHICLE. SO THAT WAS THE REASON FOR THE CHANGE FROM 15 TO 30. OKAY. ARE THEY JUNK VEHICLES ON COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES OR ABANDONED VEHICLES? IT COULD BE IT COULD BE A MIXTURE OF BOTH. IN THIS CASE, WE WILL GO MORE WITH THE ALIGN ORDINANCE THAT WE ALREADY HAVE, SINCE WE ALREADY HAVE THE ESTABLISHED TO BE ABLE TO REMOVE VEHICLES THAT ARE CONSIDERED JUNK VEHICLES AT THAT POINT. OKAY, I'VE GOT YOU. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO THE OTHERS. I JUST MY NEXT QUESTION SLIPPED MY MIND. COUNCILMAN DAVIS. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. IN THE FIRST ITERATION OF THIS, WE HAD WRITTEN INTO THE ORDINANCE 15 DAYS. WELL, IN LESS THAN 15 DAYS, WE'RE BACK ON. ON SEPTEMBER THE 1ST, WE PASSED AN ORDINANCE 14 DAYS LATER. I THINK THAT WOULD MAKE TODAY THE 15TH. WE'RE BACK. WHAT CHANGED? IT IS A MULTI-DEPARTMENT TYPE ORDINANCE. SO WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WORKING IN CONJUNCTION WITH CMO AS WELL AS BUILDING INSPECTIONS AS WELL AS PLANNING AND ZONING AND CODE ENFORCEMENT. 
          WE ALL KIND OF CAME TOGETHER AS A, AS A, AS A GROUP AND SAW WHAT WHAT WAS APPROVED AS WE'RE GOING TO START THE WHOLE ENFORCING ALL OF THAT AND PLANNING HOW WE'RE GOING TO START THAT WHOLE PROCESS. AND WE AS A, AS A TEAM KIND OF CAME TOGETHER AND SAID IT MIGHT BE BEST TO HAVE IT AT 30 DAYS JUST SO IT CAN BE MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE ESTABLISHED AS A JUNK VEHICLE, SO THAT WHEN IT HIT THOSE 30 DAYS IN THAT PROPERTY, IT BECOMES A JUNK VEHICLE. AND WE CAN START THAT PROCESS FOR REMOVAL, TOWING OUT OF OUT OF THERE. SO, SO DID WE NOT CONTEMPLATE OR REVIEW THIS MULTI DEPARTMENTALLY UPON STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION THAT LED US TO ADOPTING THE ORDINANCE SOME 14 DAYS AGO? YES, YES, WE DID AT THAT TIME. OKAY. AND DID THAT JUST NOT COME TO THE FORE OR WE. SO, SO THERE WAS A FRANKLY, THERE WAS A MIX UP IN WHAT GOT UPLOADED INTO THE SYSTEM. THERE WERE NUMEROUS ITERATIONS THAT WERE, THAT WERE BEING CIRCULATED AMONGST ALL THE DEPARTMENTS WORKING WITH CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AS WELL. AND WHAT WAS ULTIMATELY UPLOADED WAS NOT THE THE LATEST AND GREATEST. NOW, THIS ISSUE TODAY IS ACTUALLY A GREAT EXAMPLE OF WHY WE ARE EMBARKING ON AN OVERALL UPDATE TO OUR CITY CODE OF ORDINANCE. YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED TO Y'ALL PREVIOUSLY ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO WORK TO UPDATE OUR ORDINANCE, WHICH WILL ALSO LEAD INTO ULTIMATELY A ZONING CODE UPDATE TOO. BUT WE HAVE AREAS WITHIN OUR THE 22 CHAPTERS OF OUR CODE OF ORDINANCE, WHERE ONE ONE CHAPTER SAYS ONE THING AND THEN ANOTHER CHAPTER SAYS ANOTHER, AND THEY'RE NOT FULLY ALIGNED. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED HERE IS, YOU KNOW, THIS CODE IS NOT ALIGNED WITH THE JUNK VEHICLE ORDINANCE. SO WE WERE TRYING TO GET IT IN ALIGNMENT. WHAT DOES SUCH AN ALIGNMENT DO IN TERMS OF BECAUSE WHAT I'M HEARING, WHAT I THINK I'M HEARING IS THAT WE, WE CAME FORWARD WITH AN ORDINANCE, REGARDLESS OF WHAT ITERATION WAS UPLOADED OR WHAT. WE CAME FORWARD WITH AN ORDINANCE. WE APPROVED AN ORDINANCE. DOES IT HAVE ENFORCEMENT TEETH IN IT? IS THAT WHY WE'RE TRYING TO NOW GET PARITY WITH THE JUNK ORDINANCE, THE JUNK VEHICLE ORDINANCE? HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE DRIVING PIECES THAT ARE ENFORCEMENT ADVANTAGE THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT'S NOT PRESENT IN THE EXISTING ORDINANCE OR YES, IN THIS CASE, YES IT WOULD. WHAT IT WOULD DO IS. SO IT'S TWO DIFFERENT THINGS, RIGHT? SO IF WE LEAVE IT AT 15, LIKE, LIKE THE COUNCIL IS SPEAKING ABOUT, IT'S PERFECTLY FINE TO DO SO. BUT THE THING IS, ONCE WE GET TO 15 THEN AT THAT POINT I HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE FULL 30 TO BE ABLE TO START THE ACTUAL PART OF THE 
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ORDINANCE WHERE WE CAN REMOVE ALL THOSE THINGS, THE ACTUAL VEHICLES AND THINGS LIKE THAT OUT OF THERE. RIGHT? SO IF I GET TO 15, WHICH IS PERFECTLY FINE, THEN AT THAT POINT I'M BEING HELD TO ONLY ISSUING CITATIONS AT THAT POINT AND STARTING THAT, THAT PROCESS OF ONLY CITATIONS. AND STILL THE VEHICLES WILL HAVE TO BE THERE FOR, FOR A LITTLE BIT LONGER. 
          AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS KIND OF ELIMINATE THAT, THAT ACTUAL SMALL LITTLE SECTION THERE AND ACTUALLY MOVE FORWARD TO BE ABLE TO START THAT PROCESS OF TOWING THE VEHICLES OUT OF THERE. BECAUSE FRANKLY, A LOT OF THESE PROPERTIES HAVE A LOT OF VEHICLES IN THEM. 
          THANK YOU. THAT'S GOOD. THANK YOU. MAYOR. SO THE ORDINANCE, WHY DON'T WE JUST ADDRESS THE ORDINANCE INSTEAD OF ADDRESSING WHAT WE PASSED LAST TWO WEEKS AGO? WHY DON'T WE JUST HAVE THE ORDINANCE COME TO US AND WE MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE STRONGER TO ALIGN WITH THIS? I'M NOT I'M NOT SURE I'M FOLLOWING. SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT TO MAKE IT UNIFORM ACROSS ALL DEPARTMENTS? YES. IT'S ONE ORDINANCE THAT'S DRIVING IT THAT SAYS 30 DAYS. WELL, IT'S THE THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID. OKAY. IT'S THE JUNK VEHICLE PART OF IT THAT ALLOWS US TO BE ABLE TO REMOVE TO REMOVE VEHICLES RIGHT FROM TOWING VEHICLES OUT OF THE CITY ITSELF TO, TO TOW VEHICLES OUT OF THERE. SO THE WAY, THE WAY WE HAVE IT RIGHT NOW SET UP IS, YES, A 15 DAYS. YOU'RE STILL IN VIOLATION. WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY REPAIRS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT. YOU CAN'T SHOW ME ANY PROOF OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THEN AT THAT POINT WE START ISSUING CITATIONS. BUT TO OUR ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVE ESTABLISHED, WHICH IS. YES. YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU NEED TO GIVE THAT 30 DAYS. WHERE IS IT, 30 DAYS COMING FROM AN ORDINANCE, CORRECT? YES. THAT THAT WE ALREADY HAVE, WHICH IS THE ORDINANCE. SO WHY DON'T WE ADDRESS THE JUNK VEHICLE ORDINANCE TO ALIGN WITH 15 DAYS INSTEAD OF MAKING EVERYTHING ELSE PROLONGED TO THE 30 DAY TIMELINE? WELL, WITH STATE LAW, IT HAS TO BE 30 DAYS. SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS NEEDING. THE STATE LAW SAYS THAT IT HAS TO BE 30 DAYS. CORRECT? OKAY. THANK YOU. NO PROBLEM. WE'VE GOT SOME MORE QUESTIONS, BUT I WANT TO JUST MENTION THAT EARLIER YOU DESCRIBED THAT IF A VEHICLE HADN'T BEEN WORKED ON FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME, YOU DO REALIZE THAT COULD YOU PROBABLY HAD PEOPLE PULL THIS. THEY'RE GOING TO CLAIM THEY WENT OUT THERE AND TURNED A WRENCH ON IT AT MIDNIGHT. AND YOU CAN'T ARGUE THAT THEY DIDN'T DO THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A THAT'S A HARD NUT TO CRACK. IF SOMEBODY CHOOSES TO PUT UP THAT DEFENSE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO PROVE WHETHER OR NOT THEY WENT AND TURNED THAT WRENCH OR NOT. AND THAT PROBABLY IS GOING TO HAPPEN OCCASIONALLY, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'LL BE A MAJOR PROBLEM. BUT I JUST I'VE LEARNED OVER THE YEARS TO EXPECT THE UNEXPECTED. YEAH. NO. 
          WELL, MAYOR, WE DO HAVE IT IN THE ORDINANCE THAT WAS APPROVED FOR FOR WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS THAT IT HAS TO SHOW SIGNIFICANT WORK HAPPENING AND PROGRESS TO IT. RIGHT. OBVIOUSLY, THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOME SOME TIMES WHERE PARTS MIGHT BE BACK ORDER, THINGS LIKE THAT. WE UNDERSTAND THAT. SO BUT IN THIS CASE, WE DO HAVE THAT IN THERE AS A PROTECTION BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED SOMEBODY OUT THERE TURNING JUST A, YOU KNOW, A FLATHEAD SCREWDRIVER AND WE'RE GOOD TO GO. NO, IT CAN'T BE. SO EVERY TIME WE GO OUT TO THESE PROPERTIES, WE ARE GOING TO BE TAKING PICTURES OF THE VEHICLES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO WE HAVE AT LEAST A BASELINE AS TO WHAT'S BEING DONE. AND ALSO THEN PROVIDING RECORDS TO US, SHOWING WHAT'S HAPPENING AND WHAT KIND OF PROGRESS THEY'RE DOING ON THE VEHICLE ITSELF. 
          WOW, THIS IS A HOT SUBJECT. THEY'RE ALL LIT UP. MR. MCBURNETT. THANK YOU. MAYOR. 
          CAN YOU GO BACK A SLIDE OR. THERE WE GO. BENEFITS CITY. REDUCES STAFF WORKLOAD BY ELIMINATED ROUTINE LABOR INTENSIVE AUDITS. WE WE JUST KIND OF CLARIFY THAT FOR ME BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE GETTING READY TO GET INTO A HORNET'S NEST. AND WE ARE AND WE ARE FRANKLY, TO BE COMPLETELY HONEST. SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS THE WAY WE SET UP THE ORDINANCE, IS SOMETHING MORE GOING TO BE COMPLAINT DRIVEN? OBVIOUSLY NOT AT THE BEGINNING. THIS IS GOING TO BE A VERY LONG PROCESS. THERE ARE A LOT OF BUSINESSES THAT ARE GOING TO BE GETS AFFECTED BY THIS, AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FALL IN LINE WITH SOME OF THE STUFF HERE. SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS NOT ELIMINATE A LOT OF THAT LABOR INTENSIVE PART OF IT. THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH AT PAST THE BEGINNING STAGES OF THIS, BY NOT HAVING TO DO LIKE YEARLY INSPECTIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, RIGHT? SO IT'LL BE MORE OF A COMPLAINT DRIVEN SLASH PROACTIVE. IF THE CODE OFFICE HAPPENS TO BE DRIVING BY, SEES FOR WHATEVER THE REASON, 15 VEHICLES OUT THERE, WE'RE GOING TO STOP AND WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THOSE THINGS. AND BUT YES, YOU ARE CORRECT. IT'S GOING TO BE INTENSIVE AT THE VERY BEGINNING, BUT WE ARE PREPARED FOR THAT. AND WE ARE GOING TO WE DO HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE TO, ONCE WE GET THIS GOING, FOR US TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THIS ACCORDINGLY. OKAY. 
          THANK YOU SIR. MR. PENNYBAKER, THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION AGAIN. SO THIS 
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IS GOING TO BE A MONUMENTAL UNDERTAKING. YES. AND I'VE I'VE ASKED THIS BEFORE IN BRIEFING IF WE ARE CONSIDERING SOME SUBCONTRACTING ASSISTANCE TO HELP WITH THIS AND EXPEDITE THE PROCESS. OTHERWISE, I FEEL LIKE IT COULD GO ON FOR QUITE A WHILE. IT IS SOMETHING WE WOULD HAVE TO EXPLORE, BUT OBVIOUSLY WE'D HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT IT FROM A BUDGETARY STANDPOINT. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, WE DO NEED TO START THE PROCESS, BUT I'D MAKE SURE I'M MISSING SOMETHING THERE, MARK, IF YOU WANT TO. YEAH. AND I THINK I THINK IT WOULD BE IN A LOT OF WAYS, A TEAM EFFORT INVOLVING, YOU KNOW, AS VIC SAID, MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THE BUILDING OFFICIAL, FOR EXAMPLE. AND WE'VE EVEN HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE IN A LOT OF CASES, YOU HAVE THESE VEHICLES THAT ARE CLEARLY BLOCKING FIRE LANES. AND THAT'S, THAT'S A THAT'S FIRE MARSHAL, YOU KNOW, ONE ON ONE RIGHT THERE. YOU CAN'T BE DOING THAT. AND SO IT COULD INVOLVE KIND OF A MULTI-PRONGED, YOU KNOW, ATTACK APPROACH AS WELL AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, BRINGING IN OUTSIDE RESOURCES NECESSARILY. BUT IT MIGHT COME TO THAT AS I SEE HIM, ABERNATHY SAID. THANK YOU. AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THIS. I THINK YOU'RE SETTING IT UP SO YOU CAN BE AS AGGRESSIVE AS POSSIBLE AND EFFECTIVE AS POSSIBLE. AND THE THE DOMINO EFFECT FROM IT, FROM ENCOURAGING NEW BUSINESS FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND THE MASTER PLAN IMPACT IT WILL HAVE DOWN THE ROAD. I I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS BEING IMPLEMENTED. THANK YOU VICTOR. I'LL LIVE THIS NIGHTMARE. SO I DON'T ENVY WHAT YOU'RE HAVING TO GO THROUGH. BUT TO MR. PENNEBAKER'S POINT, YEAH. THE STEPS TO IDENTIFY. EACH VEHICLE AND WRITE THEM UP, FOLLOW UP. KEEP UP WITH WHEN THE DATE TO GO BACK AND REVISIT IS SO LABOR INTENSIVE, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO GOING TO COURT TO GET THE COURT ORDER TO TOW A VEHICLE, IT GOES ON AND ON AND ON. SO THIS IS, I WOULD PROBABLY SAY THAT YOU'VE GOT YOU'VE IDENTIFIED 20, MAYBE 30 OF THESE LOCATIONS, INCLUDING THOSE UP ON REDBIRD LANE. YOU'RE GOING TO PRIORITIZE THE THE ONES THAT NEED TO GO FIRST, THAT ARE MOSTLY VISIBLE TO OUR, OUR COMMUNITIES. SOME OF THEM ARE ON THE OUTSKIRTS AND THEY'RE NOT AS VISIBLE, BUT THEY STILL NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT YEARS TO GET ALL OF THESE CLEANED UP. BUT THE GOOD THING IS, IS THEY DO HAVE A TENDENCY WHEN THEY SEE ACTION BEING TAKEN, SOME OF THEM WILL START TO REMOVE SOME OF THE VEHICLES BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO LOSE THEM. SO THEY'LL TAKE THEM OUT TO COUNTRY SOMEWHERE AND PARK THEM IN A FIELD. BUT SO THERE WILL BE SOME BENEFIT TO THE NOTORIETY ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON, BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE WILL WANT THEY WON'T WANT TO GET CITATIONS. THEY WON'T WANT THE HASSLE OF HAVING TO TOW ALL THESE VEHICLES. SO, YOU KNOW, ONCE THE WORD GETS OUT AND IT'LL GET OUT FAST, THAT'S GOING TO BE A BIG BENEFIT, BUT IT'S STILL UNAVOIDABLE. THE AMOUNT OF WORK AND WORKFORCE HOURS THAT HAVE TO GO INTO START TO FINISH TO WHATEVER IT'S GOING TO BE A CITATION OR A TOW, WHATEVER IT'S GOING TO BE. IT'S, IT'S A IT'S AN IMMENSE UNDERTAKING. AND I APPRECIATE THE EFFORTS YOU'RE MAKING. GOT A LOT MORE LIGHTS LIT UP. SO MISS MISS GOODIN, MR. KOONTZ, I THINK HE WAS ON NEXT. THANK YOU MAYOR. SO I DO WANT TO GO BACK TO THE 15 DAY VERSUS THREE. THAT ACTUALLY MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. AND I APPRECIATE THE EXPLANATION. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S SOME STATE LAW THAT WE'RE KEEPING IN MIND HERE WHEN WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS IS. I GUESS IF THEY RECEIVE A CITATION OR NOTICE OF VIOLATION OF 15 DAYS, HOW MUCH TIME DO THEY HAVE TO COMPLY? THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THEIR REGULAR STANDARD TIME OF TEN DAYS. TEN DAYS. THAT IS CORRECT. ON THE ON THE ACTUAL AND WE DO GIVE OUT INITIAL AND A FINAL NOTICE. SO TECHNICALLY, TO EXPLAIN IT MORE FURTHER A LITTLE BIT, YOU GET THE FIRST TEN DAYS ON INITIAL, THEN YOU GET ANOTHER TEN DAYS WITH THE FINAL. SO IT'S A TOTAL OF 20 DAYS AT THAT POINT FOR TO FOR IT TO BE IN COMPLIANCE. OKAY. AND THEN AS FAR AS THE, THE JUNKED VEHICLE ORDINANCE THAT 30 DAYS. WHAT HAPPENS IF IT'S IDENTIFIED AS A JUNKED VEHICLE AT THAT 30 DAY MARK AT A 30 DAY MARK? THEN WE START THE PROCESS. SO WE HAVE TO NOTIFY ALL, ALL RESPONSIBLE PARTIES OR INTERESTED PARTIES THAT COME TO US. SO WE DO HAVE TO DO A SEARCH WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF MOTOR VEHICLES ABOUT IT. AND EVERYBODY NEEDS TO BE NOTIFIED. 
          THAT CAN'T HAVE ANY KIND OF INTEREST TO THE VEHICLE ITSELF. RIGHT. THE GOAL HERE WOULD BE FOR ME, WHICH IS EASIER. IT'S FOR THE ACTUAL COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES THAT HAVE THESE VEHICLES TO ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO THEN AT THAT POINT, FILE THE MECHANICAL LIENS THAT NEED TO 
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BE FILING BECAUSE SOME OF THESE VEHICLES, THEY'VE BEEN THERE AT LEAST AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN HERE, WHICH IS ALMOST TWO YEARS. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO FILE THOSE MECHANICAL LIENS, TAKE POSSESSION, AND THEN AT THAT POINT HAVE THEM TOWED. THAT IS THE EASIER THING FOR THEM TO DO. THEY DON'T DO THAT. THAT'S FINE. WE CAN DO THAT FOR THEM. BUT THERE'S GOING TO BE FEES, INVOICES AND ALL THAT STUFF THAT COMES ALONG WITH IT FOR THAT, FOR US DOING THAT KIND OF A SERVICE. BUT AGAIN, WE DO HAVE TO NOTIFY ALL INTERESTED PARTIES, MAKE SURE EVERYBODY GETS CERTIFIED NOTIFICATIONS AND ALL, AND WAIT FOR THAT TO COME BACK AND ALL, ALL THIS A LITTLE. IT'S VERY INVOLVED, BUT WE GET IT DONE. SO MISS PIZARRO, AND AGAIN, I APPRECIATE YOU STICKING AROUND AND HAVING THIS CONVERSATION AGAIN. WE'VE BEEN HAVING IT. AND I KNOW IT'S IT'S LABORIOUS. SO WOULD YOUR RECOMMENDATION BE TO, TO MOVE IT TO THE 30 DAYS OR. I MEAN, IS THERE ANY I MEAN, IS THERE ANY BENEFIT WHATSOEVER? DOES IT MAKE A DIFFERENCE IF WE KEEP IT AT THE 15 DAYS WHEN YOU STILL HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE 30 DAYS FOR IT TO BE IDENTIFIED AS A JUNKED VEHICLE? SO IS YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO KEEP IT THIS WAY OR TO TO MAKE THE CHANGE TO 30 DAYS? IT DOES MAKE IT MORE ALIGNED WITH THE 30 DAYS. BUT TO YOUR POINT, IF, IF, IF THE COUNCIL PREFERS TO HAVE 15 DAYS TO BE MORE AGGRESSIVE WITH THAT ORDINANCE, THAT IS PERFECTLY FINE. YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH IT MAY NOT FULLY START AT THE 30 DAYS. RIGHT. WE CAN IT DOESN'T STOP US FROM BEING OUT THERE ISSUING THE NOTICES AND THEN KIND OF MOVING ON FROM THAT. SO IF THE COUNCIL PREFERS TO HAVE THE 15 DAYS, THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE. THAT DOESN'T AFFECT ANYTHING AT ALL WITH THE WITH THE VEHICLE. WE JUST WANTED TO BE ABLE TO KIND OF BE MORE ALIGNED SO THAT WHEN IT HITS THE 30, WE AUTOMATICALLY MOVE INTO THE VEHICLE. BUT AGAIN, IF IF, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO BE MORE AGGRESSIVE WITH THESE BUSINESSES, THAT IS PERFECTLY FINE. I'M HERE WITH, YOU KNOW, YOUR MERCY AS FAR AS COUNCIL GOES, WHATEVER THE COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR FEELS IS GOING TO BE MORE APPROPRIATE, IT'S PERFECTLY FINE. WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT. SO, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S ONE THING FOR US TO TO MAKE THESE APPROVALS, ANOTHER THING FOR YOU GUYS TO GO OUT AND ACTUALLY DEAL WITH IT, I THINK AS A MAYOR SAID, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERING THE DIRECTION WE'RE GOING WITH THIS AT SOME POINT OR ANOTHER, WE'RE PROBABLY ARE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE HERE AFTER WE'VE MADE A DECISION BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE AND ALL THE STAFF IS GOING TO SAY AS WELL, THIS IS WHAT THE COUNCIL WANTED US TO DO. AND SO, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT OR ANOTHER, WE MAY HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT OURSELVES. BUT I MENTIONED THE THE AERIAL, YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AT HISTORIC AERIALS OF OF THESE PROPERTIES WITH THESE CARS AND THEY HAVE MULTIPLIED LIKE CANCER OVER THE LAST TWO DECADES OR SO. AND THERE'S A FEW PROPERTIES. YOU LOOK AT WHERE IT STARTED OUT WITH 2 OR 3 CARS ON MAIN STREET, AND NOW IT'S AN OCEAN OF CARS AND THE, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S IT DOESN'T NEUTRALIZE RIGHT. EITHER. THEY'RE, THEY'RE GOING TO BE MORE AND MORE OR SOMETHING'S HAPPENING TO MAKE THAT REDUCTION. AND MY SENSE OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS IS THAT WE DO NEED TO BE AS AGGRESSIVE. WE NEED TO BE REASONABLE, I THINK. AND THAT'S, I THINK, WHY I WAS ASKING THE QUESTION. IF YOU FEEL LIKE IT'S UNREASONABLE, THEN THAT'S THAT'S SOMETHING. RIGHT. AND THIS IS WHY I ALSO CALLED, YOU KNOW, CONSULTED WITH ONE OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS IS, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE WE ARE REASONABLE. 
          BUT AT THE SAME TIME THAT A MESSAGE IS BEING SENT AND THAT WE'RE BEING AGGRESSIVE. SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN AND IF WE TAKE AN ACTION ON IT, YOU KNOW, I'LL, I'LL VOTE TO APPROVE, BUT TO DENY OR TO VOTE AGAINST, YOU KNOW, CHANGING IT BACK TO 30 DAYS SO THAT WE CAN BE AGGRESSIVE. AND. MR. BIZZARRO, I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO BE IDENTIFIED AS A MAN THAT CLEANED UP DUNCANVILLE. AND, YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOMETHING HAPPENING I WANT TO CALL LIKE OPERATION CLEAN DUNCANVILLE. I WANT TO GIVE IT A NAME, BUT THAT'S ALREADY BEEN TRACED. YEAH, COPYRIGHTED. SO. BUT, YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE WE'RE ON TO SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE BIG AND IT IS MONUMENTAL, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY FOR US TO ACCOMPLISH THE GOALS OF THE 2040 PLAN. THERE'S NO WAY WE'RE GOING TO ACCOMPLISH ALL THAT WITH SOME OF THESE PROBLEMS THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING. 
          SO AGAIN, THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR, JUST AS A POINT OF CLARITY AND GOING BACK TO THE JUNKED VEHICLE ORDINANCE ALIGNMENT WITH THIS, THE PROCESS TO DECLARE VEHICLE A JUNKED VEHICLE. THE LAW SAYS 30 DAYS. BUT IN ACTUALITY, BY THE TIME YOU GET RETURNED, CERTIFIED MAIL FROM ALL INTERESTED PARTIES, WHICH SOMETIMES COULD BE 3 OR 4 PEOPLE, INCLUDING THE PROPERTY OWNER, YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOR THAT RETURN. SO 30 DAYS IS THE NUMBER, BUT IN ACTUALITY, TO PLAY IT OUT AND GET THE RETURN EMAILS OR RETURN CERTIFIED MAILS, YOU'RE TALKING 45 DAYS. SO I THINK WHAT HE'S TRYING TO DO IS GET A JUMP ON THAT BECAUSE AT 15 DAYS HE CAN WRITE THE TICKET, BUT IT DOESN'T GET RID OF THE PROBLEM UNLESS THE PERSON DOESN'T WANT ANOTHER TICKET. BUT IF YOU'VE ALREADY GOT A JUMP ON THE ON THE JUNKED 
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VEHICLE ORDINANCE AND YOU'RE GIVEN THE 30 DAYS, YOU'RE THAT MUCH FURTHER AHEAD IN GETTING RID OF THAT ONE INDIVIDUAL VEHICLE TIMES 100. SO THAT THAT'S I, I KIND OF TRACK WITH WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO IS TO GET A JUMP ON THAT. BUT IF IT'S COUNCIL'S PLEASURE TO JUST, YOU KNOW, HIT HIM UP WITH TICKETS AT 15 DAYS, JUST KEEP IN MIND IT DOES PUT THE PROCESS BEHIND TO INITIATE THE JUNKED VEHICLE PROCESS. AND THAT I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TRYING YOU'RE TRYING TO SPEED UP THAT PROCESS. I AM BECAUSE AT THAT POINT, AT 30 DAYS, IF THEY HAVEN'T HAD ANYTHING DONE, THEN YES, WE AUTOMATICALLY START THAT PROCESS. BUT AGAIN, IT DOESN'T STOP ANYTHING. THE 15 DAYS IS PERFECTLY FINE. IT DOESN'T STOP US FROM ENFORCING, AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, ORDINANCE AND ISSUING CITATIONS. OKAY. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR ON THAT. SO THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE. WE WILL BE DOING THAT EVEN IF WE STAY AT 15 DAYS. SO THIS IS NOT IT'S WHATEVER THE COUNCIL SEES IS BEST FOR, FOR THE CITY, FOR, FOR US TO GO OUT AND ENFORCE. NOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO SOMEBODY THAT'S TOWED A FEW JUNKED VEHICLES. 
          MISS GOODIN, THANK YOU, MAYOR, WHICH IS TRUE. I HAVE TOLD A FEW BACK IN MY CODE DAYS LONG TIME AGO. SO WITH THAT SAID, I DID NOTICE THE EXTENSION FROM 15 TO 30 AND IT WAS A NOTE THAT I HAD. AND I WAS GLAD TO SEE THAT THE ITEM WAS PULLED BECAUSE IT IS SOMETHING I WANTED TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT. JUST BEING VERY BRIEF. I AM IN SUPPORT OF THE 15 DAYS AND YOU JUST GOING AHEAD AND ISSUING THE CITATIONS, AND THEN YOU ABATE IT AT THE 30 DAY PROCESS. 
          YOU CAN JUST MOVE RIGHT INTO IT. I, I SEE THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE WITH THE GROWING JUNK VEHICLES, STORED VEHICLES, INOPERABLE VEHICLES, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL THEM, AND TO ALLOW FOR IT TO GET TO 30 DAYS. AND THEN WE START DOING SOMETHING FOR ME, I'M JUST NOT IN SUPPORT OF IT, BUT I THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT FORWARD, AND I THANK YOU FOR GETTING OUR OPINION ON IT. SO THAT IS WHERE I WOULD STAND WITH IT. THANK YOU. I JUST JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, AT THE 15 DAYS, WOULD YOU BE ISSUING THE NOTICE OF VIOLATION OR ISSUING THE CITATION? BECAUSE USUALLY YOU ISSUE A NOTICE BEFORE YOU ISSUE A CITATION. AT THAT POINT, IT WOULD BE THEY'LL BE IN VIOLATION OF, OF OUR ACTUAL ORDINANCE ITSELF. SO WE COULD ISSUE CITATIONS AT THAT POINT JUST BECAUSE WITH THE SECOND WITH THE SECOND NOTICE, IT IS UP TO OFFICER DISCRETION. SO IT COULD BE THE FIVE DAYS OR IT COULD BE THE TEN. IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH IT. SO WE TEND TO REALLY PUSH TOWARDS JUST STAYING KIND OF UNIFORM WITH TEN AND TEN JUST TO MAKE IT EASIER. BUT YES. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I I'M IN FAVOR OF AN ORDINANCE. I'VE ALWAYS BEEN IN FAVOR OF AN ORDINANCE THAT HELPS US MANAGE THIS, THIS, THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE. I THINK IT'S CRITICAL TO OUR GROWTH, OUR DEVELOPMENT AND QUALITY OF LIFE. AND, AND EVEN SOME OF THE AIMS IN OUR IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, YOU HAVE WRESTLING, YOU HAVE LAUREL LAND, AND THEN YOU HAVE AUTOMOBILE LAND THAT THAT WE SEEM TO BE CREATING HERE. AND I, AND I WANT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT. IF I FALL INTO THIS CATEGORY AND MY CAR IS ONE OF THESE VEHICLES OUTSIDE OF ME BEING THE VEHICLE OWNER AND THE LIENHOLDER OR OTHER INTERESTED PARTIES, WHAT WHAT SKIN IN THE GAME DOES THE REPAIR PERSON HAVE? THEY HAVE BASICALLY ALL OF IT WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, LIKE THEY USUALLY SAY POSSESSION IS 9/10, BUT IN THIS CASE, THEY'RE IN PROCESSION AND IN CONTROL OF THAT PROPERTY ITSELF. RIGHT? SO WE, YOU, LET'S SAY YOU ARE THE VEHICLE OWNER. YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO US ENFORCING THE ACTUAL LAW ITSELF, THEN AT THAT POINT WE'RE NOTIFYING EVERYBODY. SO THAT WAY, YOU KNOW THAT YOUR VEHICLE IS IN DANGER OF BEING TOWED, BUT REALLY FALLS INTO THE PROPERTY BECAUSE THE PROPERTY THAT HAS THE VEHICLE IS THE ONE THAT'S GOING TO BE GETTING, LET'S JUST SAY, DIDN'T PAY THE INVOICE AFTER WE TOW IT. THEN THEY GET THE LIENS. THEY'LL BE THEY'LL BE THE ONES. I HEARD YOU SAY. THAT LAST QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU IS, AND THIS IS REALLY MORE OF A COMMENT AND A REQUEST TO THE MANAGER. AND FOR THE RECORD, I DON'T I CONSIDER THIS ISSUE EQUAL TO MANY OF THE OTHER MAJOR ISSUES THAT AFFECT US HERE IN THE CITY. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US ON AT LEAST AN ANNUAL BASIS. AT THE VERY LEAST, A REPORT ON THE NUMBER OF CITATIONS, RECOVERY AND HOW WE'RE, YOU KNOW, HOW WE'RE PROGRESSING THROUGH THIS PROGRAM. JUST TO UNDERSTAND, AND I'M CALLING IT A PROGRAM BECAUSE AS COUNCILMAN KOONTZ TRIES TO FIND AN UNUSED NAME FOR IT. BUT TO SEE HOW WE'RE TICKING ALONG IN, IN DEALING WITH SOME OF THESE ISSUES, I THINK JUST IN TERMS OF PERFORMANCE, I THINK THIS COUNCIL WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THAT ON AN ONGOING BASIS, YOU 
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KNOW, WITH SOME FREQUENCY BUT NOT TOO FREQUENT. THANK YOU. I WAS GOING TO ADD THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, YOU KNOW, CODE ENFORCEMENT IS PART OF PUBLIC WORKS. AND WHEN THEY DO THEIR REPORTS, WE CAN DEFINITELY MAKE SURE THAT INFORMATION IS INCLUDED IN THOSE SEMIANNUAL. THANK YOU. 
          ONE LAST THING I WANT TO COMMENT ON IS THAT SOME SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF THESE VEHICLES THAT ARE ON THESE LOTS ARE THE RESULT OF PEOPLE BRINGING THEM IN THEM IN FOR REPAIRS AND NEVER COMING BACK TO PICK THEM UP BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY. SO THE OPTION IS AVAILABLE, BUT NOBODY WANTS TO EXERCISE IT. THE AFTER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME, THE THE BUSINESS OWNER CAN GO TO THE STATE AND FILE TO TAKE OWNERSHIP OF THAT VEHICLE. IT'S SO MUCH WORK AND TIME AND EFFORT FOR THEM TO GO DO THAT. VERY FEW OF THEM DO THAT. SO THEY END UP BEING EITHER BEING JUNK VEHICLES OR SALVAGE VEHICLES THAT THEY'LL PICK PARTS OF. AND IF YOU NOTICE, SOME OF THOSE CARS START TO SHRINK OVER TIME AS PIECES ARE TAKEN OFF OF THEM. SO IT'S, IT'S JUST A, IT'S A COMPLICATED BUSINESS TO, TO BREAK UP. AND IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR A LONG TIME. BUT I'M PROUD THAT YOU'RE MAKING THESE STEPS TO AND PUTTING A PLAN IN PLACE TO, TO EFFECTIVELY ONE AT A TIME, GET THEM OUT AND, AND GET THE WORD OUT. I THINK THAT'LL HELP A LOT. MR. KOONTZ. THANK YOU. MAYOR. I'M GETTING READY TO MAKE A MOTION. BUT AGAIN, THANK YOU, MR. PIZARRO. AND THIS IS JUST ONE PIECE OF THIS PUZZLE, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE THE ZONING ORDINANCE STILL LOOK AT IT. AND THAT'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER MAJOR PART OF THIS OPERATION IS, YOU KNOW, THE TOOLS WE HAVE THROUGH THE ZONING ORDINANCE. 
          SO. SO I'M GOING TO MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE AMENDMENTS. BUT AGAIN, I'LL BE VOTING AGAINST. I'D LIKE FOR US TO DO EVERYTHING AS AGGRESSIVELY AS POSSIBLE. SO I'D LIKE TO KEEP THE 15 DAYS. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE. DO I HAVE A SECOND? OKAY. I HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VERA CRUZ. PLEASE VOTE. THE MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY. WELL, NORMALLY THAT WOULD BE THE END OF OUR MEETING, BUT NO, 
          [9.A. Receive a Staff Update on the Solid Waste Collection, Disposal, and Recycling  Procurement Process]
WE DO HAVE A RECEIVE A STAFF UPDATE ON SOLID WASTE COLLECTION ITEM NINE A. SO. 
          WHILE WE'RE WAITING ON. 
          PRESENTATION AND PROCLAMATION, MAYBE ON THAT. 
          ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU EVERYBODY. MAYOR, COUNCIL. MATT BRYANT, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS. THANK YOU ALL FOR STICKING AROUND WITH ME AND AND OUR RESIDENTS HERE WITH US TONIGHT. SO JUST TO GIVE YOU ALL A BRIEF UPDATE ON OUR SOLID WASTE EFFORTS. SO WE HAVE COMPLETED OUR SOLICITATION PHASE FOR THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS FOR SOLID WASTE SERVICES. THE PURPOSE OF TODAY'S UPDATE IS TO PROVIDE RESIDENTS WITH A HIGH LEVEL STATUS UPDATE, OUTLINE THE PROCUREMENT TIMELINE, AND EXPLAIN THE NEXT STEPS IN THIS 
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PROCESS. SO A RECAP OF THE TIMELINE REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS WAS ISSUED JULY 8TH, 2026. THE REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS CLOSED ON AUGUST 18TH OF THIS YEAR. THIS MONTH, WE WILL BE CONDUCTING INTERVIEWS WITH SOME OF THE TOP RESPONDENTS THAT WE JUST WANT TO HAVE SOME FURTHER CONVERSATION WITH, AND THEN WE ARE PROPOSING TO BRING YOU A AN ACTION ITEM FOR AWARD ON OCTOBER 20TH. JUST A REMINDER THAT TONIGHT THERE'S NO ACTION ITEM. THIS IS JUST SIMPLY SOME INFORMATION. SO THIS IS THE JUDGING MATRIX THAT WE USE WITH THE REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL. IT'S VERY ELABORATE. THERE'S SCORE PERCENTAGES FOR EACH RESPONSE OR FOR FOR EACH CATEGORY. SO GOING INTO THEIR EXPERIENCE WITH LIKE SIZED CITIES, THEIR FINANCIAL STRENGTH, THE THE STRENGTH OF THEIR PERSONNEL AND THE HAULING DIVISION, THEIR OPERATIONAL PLAN IN A NARRATIVE FORMAT THAT WAS, YOU CAN SEE THAT RANKS PRETTY HIGH. THE TRANSITION PLAN FOR DUNCANVILLE IS PROBABLY MOST IMPORTANT. TOTAL RECORDABLE INCIDENT RATES AND THE DAYS AWAY RESTRICTED TRANSFER. THOSE BASICALLY ARE JUST IDENTIFIERS ON HOW SAFE THE COMPANY IS AS A WHOLE AND THEIR BEST PRACTICES. THE WHERE AM I TRANSITION PLAN AND THEIR OH, I'M SORRY I READ THAT ALREADY. CUSTOMER SERVICE REPORTING, QA, QC, AND AS WELL AS THE USE OF GPS. AGAIN, FROM A QUALITY ASSURANCE STANDPOINT, JUST TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY IF TRASH WAS TRULY MISSED AND HANDLING CUSTOMER COMPLAINTS AND MINIMIZING NOT ONLY COMPLAINTS, BUT COMPLAINTS THAT COME IN DIRECTLY TO THE CITY, THEIR COMPLIANCE AND CLARITY OF THE PROPOSAL IS MINIMAL. 
          EXCEPTIONS TO THE REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL AND CONTRACT. SO WE HAD SOME TERMS AND CONDITIONS BUILT IN. THE CONTRACT WAS FULLY TRANSPARENT. THE IN THE RFP, SO IT GAVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY, IF THEY CHOSE TO TAKE EXCEPTION TO SOME OF OUR TERMS AND CONDITIONS, THEIR COMPETITIVE COST, AND AGAIN, IN-PERSON INTERVIEWS THAT WE ARE WILL BE MOVING FORWARD WITH VERY SHORTLY. SO THIS IS JUST AN OVERVIEW OF OUR CURRENT LEVEL OF SERVICE BAG. TRASH IS COLLECTED TWICE PER WEEK. RECYCLING IS COLLECTED ONCE PER WEEK, AND AN 18 GALLON BIN BRUSH AND BULK IS UP TO TEN CUBIC YARDS TWICE A MONTH. AND THEN OUR DISPOSAL FEE IS THROUGH A SEPARATE CONTRACT. AND SO AND THERE'S ALSO THE PRICE BREAKDOWNS THAT MAKE UP THE APPROXIMATELY $30.41 PER MONTH PER RESIDENTIAL HOME NON ALI COLLECTION, BY THE WAY. AND THEN THERE'S ADMINISTRATIVE FEE. THE ADMINISTRATIVE FEE COVERS THE LITTER CREW AND VARIOUS CITY OPERATIONS THAT HELP WORK AND COINCIDE WITH THE SOLID WASTE COLLECTION. SO HERE ARE SOME SERVICE LEVEL OPTIONS. I WANT TO NOTE THAT WE DID PUBLISH THIS REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL AS KIND OF AN A LA CARTE. SO WE HAVE SEVERAL DIFFERENT PRICING OPTIONS FOR SEVERAL DIFFERENT LEVELS OF SERVICE. SO WE JUST KIND OF PUT OUT SOME OPTIONS IF WE WANTED TO CONTINUE WITH TWO BAGS, TWO COLLECTIONS BAG TRASH PER WEEK AT TEN CUBIC YARDS TWICE A MONTH. SO OPTION A IS EXACTLY WHAT WE HAVE TODAY. OPTION TWO IS BAG TRASH TWICE PER WEEK. WE DID CONSIDER LOWERING THAT FROM TEN CUBIC YARDS TWICE A MONTH TO FIVE CUBIC YARDS ONCE PER WEEK. THE IDEA BEHIND THAT IS WE SEE SOMETIMES THE STRUGGLES WITH MAINTAINING THE BRUSH AND BULK COLLECTION. I THINK A LOT OF THAT'S DRIVEN BY THE THE GRAPPLER TRUCK, THE LARGE GRAPPLER TRUCK THAT'S SERVICING THE CITY. THAT'S A VERY LARGE, VERY SLOW VEHICLE. THE TURNAROUND TIME FOR THE TO THE LANDFILL AND BACK TAKES LONGER. SO THE THOUGHT WAS THAT WITHOUT TRULY REDUCING THE LEVEL OF SERVICE, PICKING UP A LESS AMOUNT MORE OFTEN WOULD BE BETTER BECAUSE THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET THE THE BULK OF THAT, MOST OF THAT IN A REAR LOADER, THERE'S MORE REAR LOADERS IN THE CITY. IT'S FASTER TURNAROUND TIME. AND ACTUALLY BY DOING THAT, IF THERE WAS A FIFTH WEEK IN THE MONTH, THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE ADDITIONAL BRUSH AND BULK PICKUP GOING INTO OPTION C, OBVIOUSLY, CARTS IS ON THE TABLE. THE CART CONVERSATION IS ON THE TABLE. WE WANTED TO LOOK AT THAT PRICING AND THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE. AGAIN WITH THE TEN CUBIC YARDS TWICE PER MONTH, OPTION D WOULD BE THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF SERVICE AND LIKELY THE HIGHEST PRICE, WHICH WOULD BE CARTS TWICE PER WEEK AND TEN CUBIC YARDS TWICE PER MONTH. AND THEN OPTION E IS CARTS ONCE PER WEEK, FIVE CUBIC YARDS ONCE PER WEEK. AND JUST TO BREAK DOWN THE RECYCLING WOULD BE COLLECTED WEEKLY IN EITHER 
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SCENARIO, IN EITHER A 96 GALLON CART OR AN 18 GALLON BIN, WHICH IS WHAT WE CURRENTLY USE TODAY. 
          SO AS A RECOMMENDED LEVEL OF SERVICE, THIS IS NOT, AGAIN, AN ACTION ITEM. THIS IS JUST SIMPLY THE EVALUATION COMMITTEE THAT GOT TOGETHER ON THIS. WE FEEL THAT BASED OFF VALUE, TOTAL VALUE, AND THAT'S THE LEVEL OF SERVICE, THAT'S THE STRENGTH OF THE COMPANY. THAT'S ALSO THE THE PRICE VALUE, THE WE'VE SEEN, WE BELIEVE THAT WE WILL SEE SUBSTANTIAL SAVINGS TO THE HOMEOWNER AND ALSO AN INCREASED LEVEL OF SERVICE. I WAS HERE DURING THE 2019 RENEWAL. I BLESS YOUR HEARTS, THE COUNCIL THAT WAS INVOLVED IN THAT. AND SO I MY GOAL IS TO, TO TAKE US NOWHERE NEAR THAT DIRECTION. SO WE'RE CONSIDERING ONCE PER WEEK AND A 96 GALLON CART ONCE PER WEEK IN THE 96 GALLON CART FOR RECYCLING, FIVE CUBIC YARDS ONCE PER WEEK, BRUSH AND BULK AND HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE IS SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE HAD AS KIND OF THE A LA CARTE OPTION IN THIS REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL. CURRENTLY, RESIDENTS HAVE TO EITHER COME TO ONE OF OUR EVENTS OR THEY HAVE TO DRIVE INTO DALLAS. THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING. IT WOULD BE VERY MINIMAL, A FEW DOLLARS PER RESIDENT PER MONTH, AND IT WOULD BE AN OPTION TO CALL IN TO THE SERVICE PROVIDER AND HAVE HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE PICKED UP FROM YOUR HOME. WE THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT RESIDENTS MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN. AGAIN, JUST AN A LA CARTE OPTION. IF IF THE CONSENSUS IS THAT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE'RE INTERESTED IN, WE CAN OVERLOOK THAT. AND SO THE BENEFITS TO THIS RECOMMENDED LEVEL OF SERVICE WOULD BE OBVIOUSLY COST EFFECTIVE. IT PROVIDES A BALANCED LEVEL OF SERVICE WHILE CONTROLLING COLLECTION COSTS. IT BRINGS US INTO THE MODERNIZATION. YOU KNOW, WE ARE IN A CART BASED SOCIETY AND ADEQUATE CAPACITY. SO WE BELIEVE THAT WEEKLY CART SERVICE MEETS THE ROUTINE HOUSEHOLD TRASH. IT ADDRESSES BULK AND BRUSH AND BULK WEEKLY FIVE CUBIC YARDS. IT, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY ALIGNS WITH THE TEN CUBIC YARDS TWICE PER MONTH. 
          AGAIN, IF WE IF WE END UP WITH A FIFTH WEEK, THAT'S ACTUALLY ADDITIONAL ADDITIONAL LEVEL OF SERVICE. AND THEN MAINTAINING ALI COLLECTION, I DON'T SEE THE VALUE IN, IN GETTING RID OF ALI COLLECTION, IS THERE SAVINGS THERE? POSSIBLY, BUT I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S ANOTHER FIGHT OR DEBATE WE WANT TO GET INTO WITH THE PUBLIC. I THINK GIVING THEM AS MUCH LEVEL OF SERVICE AS POSSIBLE AND MAINTAINING THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL. AND THEN ALSO THE HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE COLLECTION. AS I SAID, THAT'S AN OPTION. IF IF WE WENT WITH IT, THE RESIDENTS WOULD JUST SIMPLY CALL INTO THE SERVICE PROVIDER. THEY'D HAVE ONCE A MONTH COLLECTION ANYTIME THEY NEEDED IT. THEY JUST CALL, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE YOU HAVE AT YOUR HOME. THEY WOULD COME PICK THAT UP FROM YOUR HOME. I WANTED TO PUT THIS TOGETHER. SO THIS IS A MAP OF THE GREATER DALLAS AREA. YOU WILL SEE THAT BLUE ARE MUNICIPALITIES THAT ARE CURRENTLY UTILIZING CARTS. YELLOW IS CURRENTLY IN HAND COLLECT. AND GRAND PRAIRIE IS ACTUALLY, WE'VE BEEN TOLD, IS ACTIVELY TRANSITIONING TO CARTS IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE. SO AND IRVING OPERATES THEIR OWN SANITARY SANITATION OPERATION, THEIR OWN TRUCKS, LANDFILLS, STUFF LIKE THAT. SO THEY KIND OF MAKE THEIR OWN CALL THEIR OWN SHOTS ON HOW THEY WANT TO SERVICE THEIR PROVIDERS. AND THEN THERE'S DUNCANVILLE IN THE MIDDLE. SO WHERE WE ARE TODAY. SO LIKE I SAID, THE SOLICITATION HAS CLOSED. THE CITY HAS RECEIVED EIGHT PROPOSALS. INITIAL PROPOSALS HAVE BEEN INITIAL EVALUATION, EXCUSE ME, HAVE BEEN COMPLETED. SO OUR NEXT STEPS WILL BE FINALIST INTERVIEWS. WE WILL HAVE INTERVIEWS WILL PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY TO ENGAGE DIRECTLY WITH THE PROPOSALS AND FURTHER EVALUATE THEIR QUALIFICATIONS, APPROACH AND ABILITY TO MEET THE CITY'S SOLID WASTE SERVICE REQUIREMENTS. SO NEXT, WE WILL HAVE FINALIST INTERVIEWS. ONCE AGAIN, WE WILL COMPLETE THE EVALUATION AND PREPARE A RECOMMENDATION FOLLOWING THOSE INTERVIEWS, WHICH WE WILL BRING AN ACTION ITEM TO COUNCIL ON OCTOBER 20TH. AND THEN FOLLOWING THAT WILL BE THE AWARD. AS I MENTIONED, ONE OF THE ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WE REQUESTED IN THIS PROPOSAL WAS A VERY DETAILED TRANSITION PLAN. SO STEP FOUR IS BASICALLY EXECUTING THAT TRANSITION PLAN, WHICH IS GOING TO BE LOTS OF EDUCATIONAL MATERIAL, LOTS OF SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS, JUST LOTS OF ENGAGEMENT WITH THE COMMUNITY SO THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHAT'S GOING ON. SO OUR COMMITMENT TO OUR RESIDENTS IS GOING TO BE CONDUCTING A FAIR AND COMPETITIVE PROCUREMENT, THOROUGHLY EVALUATING ALL PROPOSALS 
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RECEIVED, KEEPING RESIDENTS INFORMED ABOUT MAJOR MILESTONES, AND BRINGING THE MOST VALUABLE SOLUTION FORWARD TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION. AND WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. SO IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THE OPTION TO USE A SMALLER CARTS IS BEING CONSIDERED. THERE IS AN OPTION FOR SMALLER CARTS, BUT IT WAS NOT BROUGHT. IT'S NOT PART OF THE RECOMMENDATION, JUST BASED ON VALUE, BASED ON VALUE, RIGHT. BUT NOT BASED ON THE NEEDS OF RESIDENTS. SO THERE IS AN OPTION FOR RESIDENTS WHO EITHER ARE MOBILITY IMPAIRED SENIORS, STUFF LIKE THAT. THERE IS THAT OPTION FOR IT TO BE PICKED UP FROM THEIR HOME. WE ALSO HAVE AN OPTION. AND ACTUALLY MOST OF THE PROPOSALS CAME IN WITH THE SAME COST. SO IF YOU ARE MOBILY ABLE AND YOU JUST DON'T WANT TO DRAG THE CART, WE HAD A PRICE ITEM IN THERE. THOUGHT PROCESS WAS IF YOU'RE ABLE TO AND YOU JUST DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE WILL PICK IT UP FROM YOUR GARAGE OR YOUR DOORSTEP AND IT MIGHT COST YOU EXTRA. WE DON'T KNOW. YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M WHAT I'M ASKING. YES, SIR. I'M ASKING THAT IN THE BEGINNING. AND THE FIRST CONVERSATIONS AND PRESENTATIONS THAT WE HAD AT TOWN HALL MEETINGS, THERE WAS AN OPTION FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT DON'T GENERATE ENOUGH TRASH TO BE HAULING OR STORING THE BIG UNITS. AND THERE WAS AND SUDDENLY THAT'S GONE. THAT OPTION TO TAKE THE SMALLER, I DON'T REMEMBER, THE GALLON SIZE 96 IS THE LARGER. AND THEN THERE'S THE 60, I THINK. YEAH. 
          SO SOMEONE DECIDED TO PULL THAT OFF THE TABLE. I, I HONESTLY DON'T RECALL THAT NOT BEING AN OPTION IN THE RFP, BUT I, I DON'T SEE THAT BEING A COST SAVINGS OTHER THAN JUST ABOUT COST SAVINGS. IF I, IF I DON'T GENERATE ENOUGH TRASH TO BE HAULING THAT BIG ONE AROUND BECAUSE IT'S JUST ME AND MY WIFE, I DON'T HAVE THE OPTION TO HAVE THE SMALLER CART. AND THEN THE BEGINNING AT THE TOWN HALL MEETING, THAT WAS AN OPTION, BUT THAT'S BEEN REMOVED. 
          SO I CAN I CAN CONFIRM THAT. AND I CAN DEFINITELY BE PART OF THE IN PERSON INTERVIEWS AND NEGOTIATIONS FOR SURE. WELL, THIS IS JUST, YOU KNOW, COMING FROM ME THAT I THINK THERE'S A BENEFIT AND THERE'S A REASON IT WAS OFFERED, BUT NOW IT'S NOT. SO I'M GOING TO LET THAT GO FOR A MINUTE. I THINK THAT WE'RE GETTING CLOSE AND WE HAVEN'T. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE MADE AN EFFORT TO ESTABLISH RULES AND BOUNDARIES FOR THE CARTS. I'M IN FAVOR OF THE CARTS. OKAY. 
          BUT I DON'T THINK WE'VE ESTABLISHED RULES SUCH AS SCREENING FROM PUBLIC VIEW WHEN THEY'RE NOT BEING SET OUT FOR PICKUP. REQUIREMENTS, FOR WHEN YOU HAVE TO TAKE THEM BACK IN, VERSUS LETTING THEM SIT OUT FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS. SO WE AS A COUNCIL, HAVE TO WORK ON WHAT WE BELIEVE ARE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE ESTHETICS OF NEIGHBORHOODS SO THAT THESE THINGS DON'T, BECAUSE MOST CITIES THAT I SEE HAVE RULES ABOUT AT LEAST ABOUT WHERE YOU CAN STORE THEM AND OUT OF SO THEY'RE OUT OF PUBLIC VIEW. I KNOW A NUMBER OF CITIES REQUIRE, IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THEM OUT IN THE FRONT BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT THEM IN THE BACK, YOU CREATE SOME TYPE OF A NATURAL SCREENING. TO TO HIDE THEM. SO GET RID OF SOME OF THE BLIGHT THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE SUBJECTED TO AS A RESULT OF THESE THINGS BEING PLACED ANYWHERE AND EVERYWHERE. SO WE AS A COUNCIL HAVE NOT EVEN BEGUN TO WORK ON THAT. SECONDLY, AND MORE IMPORTANT TO ME IS WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF TALK ABOUT HELPING PEOPLE THAT ARE DISABLED ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, OR ELDERLY PEOPLE THAT LIVE DOWN A HILL OR UP A HILL. WE'VE HEARD THAT, BUT THERE'S NOTHING TO THIS POINT THAT'S BEEN CONCRETE, THAT THOSE ISSUES WILL BE ADDRESSED AS PROMISED, AND THAT PROMISE WILL NOT BE BROKEN, AND NOBODY WILL BE LEFT ONE DAY SAYING, WELL, THEY TOLD ME THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT ANYMORE. WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT CONTRACTUAL THAT THOSE PEOPLE THAT QUALIFY AND, AND IT'S NOT SO MUCH JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE A DISABILITY OR YOU HAVE AGE ISSUE, IT'S THAT SOME PEOPLE TO HAUL THOSE, THOSE BIG CANS UP A DRIVEWAY IN DISTRICT FIVE IN PARTICULAR, THERE'S ABLE BODIED PEOPLE THAT AREN'T GOING TO BE ABLE TO PULL THOSE CARTS UP THERE. SO THE PROMISE THAT'S BEING MADE HAS TO BE LOCKED DOWN TO WHERE ANY PROVIDER CANNOT DEVIATE FROM THAT PROMISE. OTHERWISE, THOSE PEOPLE ARE STUCK RIGHT NOW. THEY PUT THEM ON THE TRUNK OF THEIR CAR AND THEY DRIVE THEM UP TO THE TOP THE BAGS, AND THEN THEY DUMP THEM OUT. OKAY, SO IF THERE'S GOING TO BE 
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PROMISES MADE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO FACILITATE THOSE FOLKS BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE BEING FORCED. BUT I'M, I'M FOR CARTS, BUT THEY'RE BEING FORCED BECAUSE OF WHAT WE DECIDE TO DO THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DEPEND ON THE WORD BEING KEPT, THAT THEIR CANS WILL BE PICKED UP AT THE BOTTOM, THEY WILL BE TAKEN UP AND THEY WILL BE RETURNED TO THE BOTTOM. 
          IF THAT'S THE AGREEMENT I'VE HEARD THAT MENTIONED, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S SO THOSE THOSE WERE IN THE THOSE THAT SITUATION SCENARIO WAS IN THE CONTRACT, BUT THEN ALSO PERFORMANCE BASED LIQUIDATED DAMAGES, STUFF LIKE THAT. SO SO THAT TYPE OF SCENARIO, WHICH WOULD GET REPORTED TO US COULD, COULD GO AGAINST THE, THE PROVIDER. I JUST SUGGEST TO THE COUNCIL THAT, THAT IF YOU LOOK AROUND, A NUMBER OF CITIES HAVE REGULATIONS THAT I'M GOING TO GUESS THAT STAFF HELPED COUNCIL PUT TOGETHER TO PROHIBIT THE OPEN DISPLAY OF THE GARBAGE CANS. IN FRONT YARDS THROUGHOUT THE CITY WITHOUT BEING SCREENED. SO I THINK THAT IF IF AN ACTION ITEM CAME FOR CARTS, AND IF CARTS WERE VOTED IN FAVOR, WE WOULD THERE WOULD BE A ONE YEAR TRANSITION. THAT'S WHEN THOSE ORDINANCES WOULD COME TO YOU FOR UPDATES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK THAT IF YOU WE BRING IT TO YOU IN OCTOBER, YOU ALL VOTED TO DO A CONTRACT WITH CARTS. YEAH, WE WOULD HAVE UNTIL THE END OF SEPTEMBER OF 2027. SO DURING THAT PERIOD, YOU WOULD HAVE TO START DOING THAT LEGWORK, LIKE YOU'RE SAYING, BRINGING THAT FORWARD, GETTING THOSE REQUIREMENTS IN, GETTING YOUR FEEDBACK AND GETTING THAT APPROVED. SO WE IT WOULD BE PART OF THAT TRANSITION TIMELINE. YEAH, YEAH. THERE COULD BE A LOT OF DOWNSIDES. NOT TO THE EXTENT THAT IT CHANGES MY MIND ABOUT MOVING TO CARTS. BUT I'VE SEEN CITIES WHERE THEY LAY OUT IN THE STREET, THEY'RE KNOCKED OVER BY THE WIND, AND THEY SIT THERE AND EVERYBODY HAS TO UNDERSTAND PEOPLE ARE AT WORK. SO IF THEY FALL OVER AND THEY LAY THERE ALL DAY, THERE'S NOTHING ANYBODY CAN DO ABOUT THAT. BUT IT DOES BRING A BLIGHT THAT WE'VE NOT HAD. SO AT LEAST HAVE SOME CONTROL MEASURES TO THOSE THINGS THAT WE CAN CONTROL, THAT WE DO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION TO TRY TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE BLIGHT THAT GOES ALONG NATURALLY WITH THIS KIND OF A PROCESS. MR. PENNEBAKER. THANK YOU. KYLE PENNEBAKER, DISTRICT FIVE. WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE OVER THERE. 
          AND I'M I'M ON ONE OF THOSE HOUSES WHERE THE STREETS HERE, MY HOUSE IS DOWN HERE. AND PERSONALLY, I'M NOT FOR CARTS. HOWEVER, MY VOTE WILL BE BASED ON WHAT I THINK IS BEST FOR THE CITY. I HAVE AN ACTION PLAN FOR ME. IF WE DO GO THE ROUTE OF CARTS AND THAT'LL GO INTO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOME OF OUR ORDINANCES AND THINGS AROUND THAT TOO, AS FAR AS SCREENING AND LOCATION OF THE CARTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND I JUST WANT TO SAY IT'S GOING TO MATTER, YOU KNOW, TO ME A LOT THAT WE MAKE SURE WE'RE ACCOMMODATING THE PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE MENTIONING AND THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE WITH BEING ABLE TO GET THE TRASH UP THE DRIVEWAYS OR DOWN THE DRIVEWAYS AND THE TRASH CAN BACK UP AND, YOU KNOW, ACCOMMODATE THOSE PEOPLES AND THEIR NEEDS. THANK YOU. IT'S GOOD. THANK YOU. MAYOR, I'LL BE VERY BRIEF. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AND THE UPDATE. I SEE THAT THE INTERVIEWS WILL START. IT SAYS SEPTEMBER. WE'RE IN SEPTEMBER. YES. DO WE PLAN TO GET THE INTERVIEW SCHEDULED? I PERSONALLY DON'T HAVE A HARD DATE, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT IF, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY AS SOON AS NEXT WEEK. I DON'T HAVE A HARD DATE YET, THOUGH. I'M SORRY. OKAY. AND OF COURSE, LIKE MY COLLEAGUE SAID, I'LL BE IN FAVOR OF WHATEVER THE COMMUNITY IS DESIRING. BUT I REALLY DO LIKE THE ONE PER WEEK BULK TRASH PICKUP. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. COATS. THANK YOU. 
          MAYOR, COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE. IT WAS A MAP THAT YOU SHOWED US. OKAY. GRAND PRAIRIE IS TRANSITIONING TO BLUE, RIGHT TO CARTS. YES, SIR. AND I LOOKED UP MANSFIELD. THEY HAVE THERE'S A CART OPTION THERE WHERE YOU CAN USE THEM. AND WHAT IS WHAT IS THAT DOLL? WORTHINGTON, WORTHINGTON GARDENS AND PANTEGO. OKAY. I GUESS 50 YEARS AGO THIS WOULD HAVE LOOKED QUITE DIFFERENT, RIGHT? IT PROBABLY WOULD HAVE BEEN MOSTLY YELLOW 50 YEARS AGO. SO AND I'M SURE IF YOU EXPANDED THIS EVEN FURTHER REGIONALLY, WE PROBABLY SEE A LOT MORE BLUE. CORRECT? WE COULD. AND THE DRIVING FACTOR BEHIND THIS GREATER DALLAS AREA, THIS IS WHERE THE SERVICE PROVIDERS ARE. THIS IS WHERE THE LANDFILLS ARE. SO YEAH. SO. I'LL LEAVE MY 
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COMMENTS THERE. I THINK THAT THE MAP MAKES A POINT BY ITSELF. THANK YOU MAYOR. MR. DAVIS. 
          I'LL THROW AWAY MY QUESTION. MR. VERA CRUZ. THANK YOU. MAYOR, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE RECOMMENDED SLIDE? SO WITH THE OPTION OF THE HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE, WILL WE STILL HAVE THE ANNUAL HAZARD HOUSEHOLD WASTE. YOU KNOW, THE BIG ONE, THE THE DISCUSSION OF REMOVING THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED. SO AS OF TODAY ON THE SPOT, I WOULD SAY THAT WOULD CONTINUE TO HAPPEN. OKAY. AND THEN ALSO OPERATION CLEAN DUNCANVILLE I GUESS WOULD STILL. ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO MENTION, I THINK THAT HOUSEHOLD WAS APPROVED TONIGHT. I THINK IT'S JUST AN ANNUAL $60,000 A YEAR. IT'S A PRETTY MINIMAL COST IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS FOR THE THE PROGRAM. MR. MCBURNETT THANK YOU MAYOR. THIS ALWAYS ENDS UP BEING THE HOT TOPIC. SO WHEN'S THE FIRST TOWN HALL? I, I YEAH, I'M NOT IN A COMFORTABLE POSITION RIGHT HERE. 
          I THINK MARK MARK HAS BEEN WORKING ON SOMETHING TO YOU. SO WHAT WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING TO DO HERE WITH THIS WITH THIS PARTICULAR EFFORT IS, IS TRY SOMETHING NEW IN DUNCANVILLE. 
          YOU KNOW, WE MAY HAVE LIKE A TYPICAL TOWN HALL WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE, YOU KNOW, HAVE IT AT THE SENIOR CENTER AND, YOU KNOW, WE GET 25 OR 40 OR MAYBE 60 PEOPLE THAT COME OUT, WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS. BUT WE WANT TO TRY SOMETHING KNOWN AS TELEPHONE TOWN HALL. THERE'S A COMPANY OUT THERE THAT DOES THIS FOR, FOR VARIOUS CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY. AND THEY, IT RANGES ON TOPICS, AS, YOU KNOW, LIKE SOLID WASTE, OR IT MIGHT BE THE BUDGET, THE ANNUAL BUDGET, OR IT MIGHT BE A CAPITAL PROJECT OR CAPITAL PROGRAM, A WIDE VARIETY OF TOPICS. AND IT'S, IT'S ESSENTIALLY A ONE HOUR LONG, PRETTY, PRETTY INTENSE TELEPHONE TOWN HALL WHERE, WHERE THE VENDOR ACTUALLY CALLS ALL RESIDENTIAL PHONES. YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A DATABASE, YOU KNOW, CELL PHONES, IT'S LANDLINES AND SO FORTH. AND WE'LL ALSO, AS PART OF THIS, THIS EFFORT, WE'LL HAVE KIND OF A MARKETING CAMPAIGN WHERE WE'LL ASK PEOPLE TO SIGN UP AS WELL. AND, AND THEY'LL BE NOTIFIED JUST LIKE THOSE THAT DON'T SIGN UP, BUT THOSE THAT SIGN UP, THEY'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SUBMIT QUESTIONS IN ADVANCE. AND IT WILL WE'LL HAVE A MODERATOR AND YOU KNOW, THAT MODERATOR WILL ASSIST US IN THE ENTIRE PROCESS FOR THAT, THAT ONE HOUR PERIOD. YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, THEY'RE GOING TO BE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WILL ASK THE SAME QUESTION. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH AND ANSWER THE SAME QUESTION TEN TIMES. YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL, THE MODERATOR WILL HELP US KEEP IT EFFICIENT AND, AND ON TASK SO THAT WE REALLY GET FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY. WE THINK THIS IS A GREAT WAY TO DO THAT, TO HEAR RESIDENTS, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR FROM THE SAME SEVEN PEOPLE. WE WANT TO WE WANT TO HEAR FROM THE BROAD COMMUNITY. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING TO DO PROBABLY IN EARLY OCTOBER. 
          AND WE'LL WE'RE MEETING WITH THE CONSULTANT THURSDAY, I BELIEVE, TO TO TRY TO NAIL DOWN MORE OF THE SPECIFICS. WE HAD A GREAT MEETING, I THINK IT WAS YESTERDAY WITH THEM. THE CONSULTANTS ARE FAMILIAR WITH THIS TYPE OF EFFORT WITH SOLID WASTE AND RECYCLING. SO I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A GREAT TOOL FOR US TO USE. AND OBVIOUSLY WE WE'D LOVE TO HAVE YOU ALL PARTICIPATE OR HELP MONITOR, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE DIALOG AND ALL THAT THERE TOO. SO JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT. THANK YOU. GET MORE LIGHTS, MISS GOODEN. YES, MA'AM. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY MY LAST STATEMENT. COULD WE GO BACK TO THE OPTIONS? OKAY. OPTION B TWO TIMES PER WEEK. BAGS ONCE PER WEEK ON BULK BRUSH. THANK YOU. MR. PENNYBAKER. JUST REAL QUICK THANK YOU, MR. RAUSCHER FOR THAT. THAT SEEMS KIND OF FUN. AND JUST A COMMENT. IT'S REALLY CURIOUS THAT WE'LL HAVE TEN TIMES THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE ENGAGE IN OUR TRASH PUBLIC MEETINGS AS THE BUDGET, AND I'D BE REALLY INTERESTED TO SEE MORE PEOPLE GET MORE INTERESTED IN THE BUDGET AND IN THE PROCESS, AND UNDERSTANDING MORE OF THAT. THE TRASH IS EVERY DAY THAT'S AFFECTING US. THE BUDGET AFFECTS US IN MORE WAYS THAN ANYONE KNOWS, BUT IT. I ENCOURAGE THE PUBLIC TO PAY MORE ATTENTION TO THE BUDGET. THANK YOU, MR. KOONTZ. THANK YOU, MAYOR, THANKS FOR GOING BACK TO THIS SLIDE. SO AT SOME POINT, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY NUMBERS OR, YOU KNOW, PRICING, I MEAN, SO I MEAN, WE'RE I, YOU KNOW, APPRECIATE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE'RE GETTING, BUT AT SOME POINT SOMEBODY'S GOING TO ASK US, WELL, HOW SO EXACTLY HOW MUCH WAS OPTION A AND EXACTLY HOW MUCH WAS OPTION B? AND SO WHAT WE SEE THOSE NUMBERS AT ANY POINT. YES. YES YOU WILL. OKAY. THAT'S GOOD. THANK YOU. OKAY. 
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ALL THE LIGHTS ARE OUT. ASSUME THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. 
          AT THIS POINT. THAT ITEM HAS BEEN COMPLETED AND WE WERE GOING TO RECESS THE REGULAR SESSION AT 1041. AND WE'RE GOING TO MOVE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. AND AT THE COMPLETION 
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OF EXECUTIVE SESSION, THERE WILL BE A STATEMENT ON ANY ACTION THAT'S TAKEN AS A RESULT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION. SO IT WILL SO WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND RESUME OUR REGULAR SESSION AT 11:40 P.M. AND WITH THAT. IN REGARDS TO THE EXECUTIVE SESSION, THERE'S NO ACTION TO BE TAKEN AS A RESULT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION, AND THIS
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