Mar 31, 2026 City Council Bond Workshop

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WE'RE GOOD. YEAH. YES WE ARE. SORRY ABOUT THAT. RIGHT. OH. SYSTEMS ARE GO. SO WE'RE GOING

[CALL TO ORDER]

[2.A. Discuss and deliberate the proposed 2026 Bond Program for a Police/Courts Facility and topics related to: • Bond Debt/Capacity • Tax implications • Site Options Revision and New Probable Cost Estimates • Site Visit Recap • Proposed Engagement and Marketing Firm Program • Project Costs and Questions Follow-up • Bond Program Schedule • Service Center Project Options]

GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. RICHARD ABERNATHY, INTERIM CITY MANAGER WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH SOME INTRODUCTORY SLIDES. AND I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO OUR FINANCE AND WALK THROUGH SOME OF THE FINANCIAL ASPECTS OF THIS TOO. AND THEN CHIEF'S DOCTORS TEAM ARE ALSO HERE TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER OTHER ASPECTS. BUT JUST AGAIN, IT'S THE KIND OF INTRODUCTION, INTRODUCTION, DECISION READINESS, LOOKING AT THE BACKGROUND AND UPDATES, THE FINANCIAL ANALYSIS AND TAXPAYER IMPACT. AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THAT PROJECT SCOPE AND COST, OUR SITE DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING, THE ROADMAP TO THE ELECTION. AND THEN JUST ALSO, WE WANT TO TOUCH ON THE MUNICIPAL SERVICE CENTER PROJECT VERY, VERY LIGHTLY ABOUT SOME NEXT STEPS ON THAT. AND SO REALLY BACK TO WHERE WE'RE AT. YOU KNOW, THE NOVEMBER BOND ELECTION IS WHAT WE'RE TARGETING. JUST KIND OF A BOND PACKAGE OVERVIEW. YOU HAVE THE DEBT REPAYMENT STRATEGY, TAXPAYER IMPACT ANALYSIS. WHEN WE CAME BACK TO YOU ALL IN JANUARY, FEBRUARY, WE LOOKED AT AND A SITE OPTION D, WHICH WAS HERE ON THE PROPERTY. SO WE HAVE A REVISED SIDE OPTION SINCE WE MET WITH YOU ALL IN FEBRUARY THAT WE WANT TO WALK THROUGH. ALSO LOOKING AT THOSE ANCILLARY PROJECT CONSIDERATIONS, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE COST OF MOVING? WHAT'S THE COST OF LIKE, WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THE EXTRA SPACE IN CITY HALL? JUST GOING THROUGH THOSE QUESTIONS. AND THEN ALSO THE REMODEL IMPLICATIONS FOR THE EXISTING POLICE STATION, YOU KNOW, COST DRIVERS, SCOPE FACTORS, TREATMENTS, A SEPARATE PROJECT. AND THEN JUST LOOKING AT THOSE OUTCOMES, CAPTURE ADDITIONAL COUNCIL QUESTIONS AND ACTION ITEMS AND THEN RETURN IN MAY.

ONCE WE HAVE THIS, WE GET YOUR FEEDBACK DEPEND ON WHICH DIRECTION WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU ON MAY WITH SOME UPDATES AND RESPONSES. AND SO AGAIN, THAT THAT THAT PURPOSE IS ADDRESSING ALL THOSE OUTSTANDING ITEMS FROM THAT. THE 31ST SESSION WILL BE DUE IN MAY. PRESENT THOSE REFINED FINANCIALS, COUNCIL ACTION, THEN A GO OR NO GO FOR THE NOVEMBER BOND ELECTIONS, JUST DEPENDING ON WHERE WE ARE, WHAT WHERE WE STAND. I REAL QUICKLY JUST WANT TO DO A QUICK RECAP. I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE SEEN THIS SLIDE BEFORE, BUT WANT TO BRING IT BACK TO Y'ALL'S ATTENTION OF WHERE WE ARE AND WHERE WE'VE BEEN. IN JANUARY 2025, THE CITY COUNCIL DID ESTABLISH THE 2025 BOND COMMITTEE. THEY MET FROM JANUARY TO JUNE OF 2025 AND REALLY LOOKED AT A LOT OF DIFFERENT PROJECTS, EVALUATED THEM, LOOKING AT THE FINANCIALS, AND THEN JUST AND THEN MADE A RECOMMENDATION TO YOU ALL ON JULY 17TH OF A $20 MILLION BOND PROGRAM, 12 MILLION FOR A POLICE FACILITY, 8 MILLION FOR A SERVICE CENTER. AND THEN YOU'RE USING USING SOME SAVINGS AND INTEREST FROM BONDS TO, TO MAKE THAT SERVICE CENTER ACTUALLY 12 MILLION, BUT ONLY GO TO THE VOTERS FOR THE EIGHT ON AUGUST 12TH, CITY COUNCIL DEFERRED CALLING THAT BOND ELECTION AND DIRECTED STAFF TO COMPLETE A POLICE AND COURT SPECIAL NEEDS ASSESSMENT, WHICH. AFTER THAT, IN SEPTEMBER, WE IDENTIFIED FUNDING. WE DID AN RFQ AND WE ISSUED A. WE ISSUED A CONTRACT TO KIMLEY-HORN ADG WHO DID THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT.

THEY BEGAN WORK IN OCTOBER. IN DECEMBER, WE CAME BACK TO Y'ALL AND DID A CIP AND FUNDING STRATEGY WORKSHOP. AND THEN WE DID AN INITIAL UPDATE ON WHERE WE WERE AT THE SPECIAL NEEDS ASSESSMENT. AND ON DECEMBER 16TH, 2025, IN JANUARY, WE DID BRING THOSE PROBABLE OPINIONS OF COST TO YOU ALL. AND THEN WE DID A FINANCIAL ANALYSIS PRESENTATION TO YOU ALL ON FEBRUARY 3RD. AT THAT TIME, IT WAS CITED DON'T WE WOULDN'T MOVE FORWARD WITH THE MAY BOND PROGRAM AND POSTPONED IN NOVEMBER. SINCE THEN, WE'VE BEEN DOING TOURS OF OTHER FACILITIES. WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT COMPARATIVE ANALYSIS. AND THEN IN MARCH, WE, WE WE ALSO WENT AND LOOKED AT SOME OTHER FACILITIES. AND HERE WE ARE TODAY WITH REPORTING ON WHERE WE STAND. IN ADDITION, WE DID MEET WITH THE BOND COMMITTEE ON MARCH 12TH TO BRING THEM UP TO SPEED. WE. MOST OF THEM WERE THERE. THERE WAS A COUPLE THAT COULDN'T MAKE IT, BUT WE JUST DID A RECAP OF WHERE WE WERE BASICALLY FROM, FROM SINCE THEY THEY LEFT OFF ON THAT RECOMMENDATION IN JULY. AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT OUR FINANCIAL STRATEGIES, THE MUNICIPAL SERVICE CENTER, THE CERTIFICATES, AND THEN WHERE WE WERE WITH THE POLICE FACILITY AND THOSE GENERAL BONDS. AND THEN WE ALSO KIND OF GAVE THEM AN OVERVIEW OF ALL THOSE CAPITAL PROJECTS. WE BRIEFED YOU ALL IN DECEMBER. WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT OUR EDUCATION PROCESS FOR THIS BOND PROGRAM. IT MOVES FORWARD AND THEN ALSO KIND OF WALK THROUGH THE REFINED PACKAGE. IT WAS A REALLY GOOD MEETING. WE GOT SOME GOOD FEEDBACK. YOU KNOW,

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GREAT. SOME VIEWPOINTS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROOM. GOOD AFTERNOON. MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. RICHARD JACKSON, MANAGING DIRECTOR OF FISCAL SERVICES. WE'LL SEE WHAT IS GOING ON WITH OUR SIGNAL ISSUE. BUT AGAIN, JUST WHILE WE'RE TRYING TO CUE THAT BACK UP, AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE NEW BOND. OF COURSE, IT WOULD COME AT AN INCREASE TO THE TAX RATE. SO THE FIRST THING THAT WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WAS JUST TO START WITH WHAT OUR EXISTING TAX RATE IS AS OF TODAY. SO OUR TOTAL TAX RATE IS JUST OVER $0.60. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE OPERATION PORTION OF THE TOTAL TAX RATE IS THE THE VAST MAJORITY OF WHAT WE HAVE WE DISCUSSED WITH THIS WITH THIS BODY. IN TERMS OF THE DEBT RATE AND HOW THAT COMPARES TO NOT ONLY THE BEST SOUTHWEST, BUT SIMILAR SIZE MUNICIPALITIES IN DFW. SO OUR, OUR, OUR DEBT RATE CURRENTLY IS ON THE, THE LOWER END AT ONLY THREE AND A HALF CENTS TOTAL FOR ONE DEBT OBLIGATION THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. IT'S CURRENTLY RUNS AT ABOUT A $15 MILLION BALANCE IN TERMS OF WHAT'S REMAINING. AND OF COURSE, ON THE OPERATION SIDE, ABOUT 56.5 CENTS, OUR OPERATION NUMBER IN COMPARISON TO THE TO THE OTHER CITIES, IS ON THE HIGHER END. WHEN YOU COMBINE THOSE TWO IN TERMS OF OUR TOTAL RATE, WE'RE KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE. WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT, I THINK OUR LAST SLIDE WE PRESENTED TO YOU ALL HAD ABOUT 15 OR CLOSE TO 15 DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITIES. AND SO RIGHT NOW OUR TAX RATE IS CURRENTLY RIGHT AROUND THE MIDDLE IN COMPARISON. AGAIN, JUST WANTED TO ALSO PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL BACKGROUND TO YOU ALL. SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE COME UP WAS IN AND AROUND DEBT CAPACITY. AND SO FIRST, FIRST AND FOREMOST FROM THE TEXAS STATE CONSTITUTION, WHAT THEY STATE IS THE, THE MAXIMUM AD VALOREM TAX RATE WOULD BE $2.50 PER $100 VALUATION. THAT'S THE ABSOLUTE MAXIMUM THAT A HOME RULE CITY IS ALLOWED TO HAVE. WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR THE CITY OF DUNCANVILLE FINANCIAL POLICY IN THE LAST TIME, WE WANTED TO HAVE THAT IN PARENTHESES FOR.

NOTE TO THIS BODY THAT THE LAST TIME THAT THAT WAS UPDATED WAS QUITE SOME TIME AGO. IN 2003.

IT ACTUALLY, WITHIN THE POLICY SPEAKS TO TWO DIFFERENT DEBT CAPACITIES. SO FIRST THAT IT SPEAKS TO IS HAVING DEBT PER CAPITA THAT IS AT OR BELOW $1,000 PER CAPITA FOR THE CITY.

BUT THERE IS ANOTHER PORTION OF THAT POLICY THAT ACTUALLY MIRRORS WHAT THE TEXAS CONSTITUTION LIMIT IS, WHICH IS 2.5% OF OUR TOTAL TAXABLE BASE. WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR TOTAL TAX BASE FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025, WE WERE AT JUST OVER $4 BILLION, 4.047 TO BE EXACT. LOOKING AT THOSE DEBT CAPACITY NUMBERS PER PER. OUR POLICY, IF WE LOOK AT IT BASED ON THE PER CAPITA CAPACITY OR LIMIT, WE WOULD BE AT $39 MILLION. IF YOU LOOK AT IT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE 2.5% OF TOTAL TAXABLE BASE, 2.5% OF THAT 4 BILLION IS A LITTLE MORE THAN $101 MILLION.

AND SO, AGAIN, JUST AS A RECAP IN TERMS OF WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE AS DEBT IS JUST OVER $15

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OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE I MOVE? OKAY. SO AGAIN, ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANTED TO TALK WITH THIS BODY ABOUT AND REALLY, I GUESS, REDISCUSS THAT WE TALKED PREVIOUSLY IN PRESENTATIONS WITH HILLTOP SECURITIES, OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR IS THAT WE WANT TO HAVE A PHASED ISSUANCE. SO INSTEAD OF HAVING ALL OF THE DEBT ISSUANCE, 100% OF THE DEBT ISSUANCE HAPPEN AT ONE TIME, WE WOULD ACTUALLY BREAK IT UP WHERE WE'D HAVE 60% THAT WOULD BE ISSUED, AND THEN THE FOLLOWING YEAR WE WOULD HAVE A 40% ISSUANCE. AND SO THAT'S DONE. NUMBER ONE. SO THAT'S HELPFUL IN TERMS OF WHAT THE OVERALL IMPACT IS TO THE TAXPAYER FROM A TIMING PERSPECTIVE, BUT IT ALSO HELPS IN TERMS OF WHEN THOSE ISSUANCES COME IN RELATIVE TO THE TIMING OF THE PROJECT OVERALL. SO IN TERMS OF WHEN THE CITY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE PARTICULAR EXPENDITURES AND REPAYMENT OF THE DEBT, THAT IT WOULD BE BETTER IN TERMS OF PHASING THOSE THAT THAT ISSUANCE IN, IN THE TWO ISSUANCES VERSUS HOW ONE ISSUANCE OF ALL OF THE, OF THE ENTIRETY OF THE DEBT. AND THIS SLIDE, WE USED $50 MILLION ISSUANCE AS AN EXAMPLE, JUST TO SAY, JUST TO SHOW WHAT THE IMPACT TO THE TAXPAYER WOULD BE. CERTAINLY IN THE 2026 TAX YEAR, THERE WOULD BE NO TAX IMPACT.

THAT WOULD NOT HAPPEN UNTIL THE 2027 TAX YEAR OR CALENDAR YEAR, 2027. AND SO AGAIN, THE THE

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IF THE BOND TOTAL IS HIGHER THAN THE, THE IMPACT TO THE TAXPAYER WOULD BE HIGHER. ANY QUESTIONS HERE? ALL RIGHT. AND SO LAST THAT WE WANTED TO SHOW WAS IMPACT USING ALL THREE POTENTIAL SCENARIOS 35 MILLION $50,000,064 MILLION BOND RESPECTIVELY. AGAIN AS A RECAP, THIS IS BASED ON THE AVERAGE TAXABLE VALUE OF A HOME HERE IN THE CITY OF DUNCANVILLE, WHICH IS THE 263 816 NUMBER. AND SO WHAT YOU CAN SEE IS FOR $35 MILLION BOND AGAINST ABOUT $110 INCREASE THAT A TAXPAYER CAN EXPECT FOR THIS PARTICULAR DEBT, WHICH IS THE EQUIVALENT OF ABOUT 22 CUPS OF COFFEE AND SEVEN MOVIE TICKETS. OKAY. WHEN WE LOOK AT THE $50 MILLION OPTION, SIMILARLY, JUST AS WE INDICATED IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, JUST UNDER $150 IMPACT ON THE ANNUAL BASIS FOR THE AVERAGE TAXPAYER, OR THE EQUIVALENT OF 30 CUPS OF COFFEE AND TEN MOVIE TICKETS. SO A LITTLE MORE, BUT CERTAINLY WITHIN PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, BASED ON. BASED ON OUR, OUR GUESS, OUR NORMAL ACTION OF PURCHASES THAT WE MAKE. AND LASTLY, ON THE $64 MILLION BOND SCENARIO, THAT WOULD BE JUST UNDER A $200 INCREASE ANNUALLY FOR THE AVERAGE TAXPAYER. AND SO THAT WOULD BE THE EQUIVALENT OF ABOUT 13 MOVIE TICKETS AND ABOUT 40 CUPS OF COFFEE. SO AGAIN, PER THIS COUNCIL, WE WANTED TO PROVIDE THAT SCENARIO NOT ONLY FOR YOU BUT CERTAINLY FOR THE PUBLIC, THE COMMUNITY, THE RESIDENTS AS WELL. BUT WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU ARE THE POTENTIAL SCENARIOS UNDER THE VARIOUS BOND BOND LEVEL OPTIONS THAT WE'VE PRESENTED IN THE PAST. AND CERTAINLY WE WANTED TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION BACK HERE FOR YOU ALL TODAY. ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD TO THE NEXT PORTION OF THE PRESENTATION? ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO CHIEF SCOTT. YEAH. THANK YOU.

YES, SIR. ANGEL, IF YOU DON'T MIND AS WELL. HEY. GOOD AFTERNOON, GOOD AFTERNOON, GOOD EVENING, GOOD AFTERNOON. HOPE EVERYBODY'S DOING WELL. POLICE CHIEF ANGEL DALE, THE PROJECT MANAGER. ULTIMATELY THE MY RIGHT HAND PERSON ON THIS. GOING THROUGH THIS, I WANT TO INTRODUCE I'M NOT SURE IF DAWN WURTZBURGER HAS BEEN INTRODUCED YET. HE IS WITH 720 DESIGNS. HE HAS ROUGHLY 250 POLICE DEPARTMENTS UNDER HIS BELT. WHETHER HE'S BEEN THE OWNER REPRESENTATIVE DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN THE CONSTRUCTION, THE PLANNING, ALL OF THAT. SO WE BROUGHT HIM IN ULTIMATELY FOR YOU ALL FOR YOU ALL TO ASK QUESTIONS. AND HE CAN GIVE THAT UNBIASED OPINION ON WHAT'S NECESSARY. SO GOING THROUGH THIS ANGEL, IF THIS IS, YOU KNOW, YOURS. YEAH. SO. SO THANK YOU ALL AGAIN FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. SO AS CHIEF WAS TALKING ABOUT, ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE AS PART OF THE FAQ, ALL OF THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE COME UP, AS WE'VE DONE ALL OF THE UPDATES ON OUR SPATIAL ANALYSIS AND NEEDS ASSESSMENT, IS THERE WERE A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT THE LINE ITEMS AND WHAT COSTS HERE.

SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE LEVEL SET WITH THE GROUP AND EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT WHAT WE HAVE AS AN OPINION OF PROBABLE CAUSE AND WHAT THAT REALLY IS, IS THE PROFESSIONAL PRELIMINARY COST ESTIMATE FOR THE PROJECT, USUALLY CONSTRUCTION DESIGN. SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS AS WE MOVE FORWARD, BECAUSE TODAY IS SUPPOSED TO BE WHAT WE REFER TO AS A WORKSHOP OR A WORKING SESSION. SO WE'LL HAVE SOME

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THERE WAS THEN SOME DECISIONS MADE TO, OKAY, MAYBE WE DON'T INCLUDE MUNICIPAL COURT. WE MAKE SOME OTHER AGREED UPON DECISIONS, MAYBE MINOR COMPROMISES THAT PULL THAT DOWN TO 50,000FT■!S. SO AS I SAID, I HAVEN'T HAD A PROJECT YET IN ALL MY CAREER, 45 YEARS AT THE BOTTOM UP, ONE THE DAY IT'S MORE OF IT'S THE TOP DOWN APPROACH OF HOW MUCH ARE WE GOING TO FUND FOR THIS PROJECT? AND SO THAT'S WHAT THIS STRATEGY IS STARTING TO DO. BUT IT'S ONE THING TO GIVE A PROJECT THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT, A MINOR HAIRCUT, WHICH WAS DONE A BIT, I THINK FROM THE 62,000 DOWN TO THE 50. BUT YOU HAVE TO REALIZE THE CUT 15,000FT■!S OUT OF A POLICE FACILITY IS JUST A HARD ONE TO REALLY INTEGRATE BECAUSE POLICE FACILITIES ARE

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BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE TRENDS FROM REALLY THE PAST FIVE, SIX, SEVEN YEARS IS TWO FOCUSES. IT'S ON WELLNESS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THERE'S STILL THAT CHART OUT THERE THAT JUST, YOU KNOW, TUGS AT MY HEART EVERY TIME WHEN YOU SEE OFFICER DEATHS AND IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, IN LINE OF DUTY, IT COULD BE HEALTH CANCER RELATED, IT COULD BE VEHICULAR. AND THEY'RE ALL SORT OF BUMPING ALONG THAT BOTTOM LINE. THEN YOU SEE IT GO WAY UP, ALMOST COMPLETELY OFF THE PAGE, AND IT'S OFFICER SUICIDE. AND IT'S TIME TO START DOING SOMETHING WITH THAT. AND REALLY THE WHOLE POLICING COMMUNITY AND INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF CHIEF POLICE, THERE'S A COUPLE PRESENTATIONS GOING ON AS WE SPEAK DOWN AT THE TEXAS POLICE CONFERENCE RIGHT NOW IN CORPUS CHRISTI THAT ARE STARTING TO DIAL INTO THIS. AND, YOU KNOW, YOU TWO ARE YOU'RE GOING TO TOUR MIDLOTHIAN, ROANOKE AND ROYSE CITY. I WORK IN ALL THREE OF THOSE THAT START INTEGRATING SOME OF THAT. IT COULD BE A QUIET DECOMPRESSION ROOM. IT COULD BE PHYSICAL FITNESS. IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, REALLY THE BUILDING OF THOSE COMMUNITIES.

WE USUALLY SAY, YOU KNOW, THE GOAL IS TO CREATE FORCED COLLISIONS OR STRATEGIC COLLISIONS TO OUR STAFF CAN ALWAYS NOT GET ISOLATED. AND THERE'S SOMEBODY THERE, YOU KNOW, KEEPING TABS, REACHING OUT TO THEM. AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS TRAINING. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A GREAT QUOTE OUT THERE AND I FORGET I REALLY SHOULD MEMORIZE IT SO I CAN PROPERLY GIVE HIM CREDIT. YOU KNOW, THE QUOTE IS WE DON'T RISE TO THE LEVEL OF OUR EXPERIENCE. WE FALL TO THE LEVEL OF OUR TRAINING. AND, YOU KNOW, THAT IS THE FOCUS FOR A LOT OF AGENCIES. YOU KNOW, TRAINING CAN TAKE ON MANY THINGS. YOU KNOW, THERE'S ACADEMIC SETTINGS, YOU KNOW, A LARGE TRAINING ROOM, MORE AND MORE FACILITIES ARE NOW PUTTING IN A MAT ROOM FOR, YOU KNOW, TACTICAL TRAINING, YOU KNOW, THE ABILITY TO BRING A VEHICLE UP INTO A SETTING AND DO TACTICAL TRAINING IN A VEHICLE, GETTING A PRISONER IN AND OUT. AND SO ALL OF THIS IS STARTING TO BE EMBEDDED IN NEWER POLICE FACILITIES. AND IT USUALLY IS SOME SQUARE FOOTAGE, SOME REAL ESTATE, YOU KNOW, AND TO CUT, YOU KNOW, 15,000FT■!S, YOU START ELIMINATING A LOT OF THOSE LITTLE OTHER AMENITIES AND REALLY GO AND COUNTER TO WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE NATIONAL TRENDS ARE OR THE INITIATIVES, YOU KNOW, FOR WELLNESS AND FOR TRAINING IN DIFFERENT FACILITIES. SO, AND THAT IS ONE OF THE CUTS, OBVIOUSLY IS OUR COMMUNITY ROOM WHEN YOU CAN MAKE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT IN THE REDUCTION OF OUR SQUARE FOOTAGE. AND THAT'S 2000FT■!S.

WELL, THAT'S 2000FT■!S WHERE I DON'T HAVE TO TAKE PEOPLE'S OFFICES AWAY AND PUT THEM BACK IN CLOSETS. AND MIND YOU, I AM BUILDING THIS FOR OUR FUTURE GROWTH. WE ARE CAPPED AT 71 OFFICERS, ACCORDING TO THE MATRIX GROUP. SO I AM BUILDING THIS IN DOING EVERYTHING THAT I NEED TO DO, MAKING SURE PEOPLE HAVE THE OFFICES. THAT WAY WHEN THIS THING GETS BUILT, IF IT DOES, I'M NOT THINKING, OH MY GOSH, I FORGOT ABOUT THAT PERSON. NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SCRAMBLE TO FIND A LOCATION FOR THAT PERSON. SO THERE MAY BE SOME AREAS WHERE IT'S GOING TO TAKE US A LITTLE TIME TO FILL. BUT AGAIN, THIS IS FOR THE NEXT 30, 40 YEARS. THIS IS FOR YOUR KIDS AND GRANDKIDS WHO LIVE HERE. SO I MEAN, THE NATIONAL TRENDS AND TEXAS TRENDS ARE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A NEW POLICE FACILITY COMES ABOUT ONCE EVERY 42 YEARS. IT'S HARD TO THINK THAT THAT THAT AN OLDER FACILITY LASTS THAT LONG. BUT I ALWAYS SOMETIMES JOKE, BUT IT'S IN SERIOUSNESS THAT POLICE OFFICERS AND FIRE ARE SOMEWHAT THEIR WORST ENEMY.

THEY JUST FIND A WAY TO MAKE DO. AND EVEN IN A CROWDED, YOU KNOW, OLDER SETTING, THEY JUST MAKE DO. BUT ON DAY ONE, THEY'RE MAKING THIS ONE LITTLE COMPROMISE. AND THEN A YEAR LATER, MAYBE THIS COMPROMISE, AND SOMETIMES IT'S NOT EVEN EVIDENT TO THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE SO EMBEDDED IN IT. MY GOSH, 20, 25 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, THERE HAS BEEN SO MANY COMPROMISES OF OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCIES OF EMBEDDED THEMSELVES. YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES IT'S TAKEN MORE STAFF EVEN BECAUSE OF INEFFICIENCIES IN OLDER BUILDING. AND SO THAT IS THE KEY HERE THAT, YOU KNOW, I LIKE TO SAY YOU GET ONE CHANCE TO GET IT RIGHT EVERY 42 YEARS. AND THAT EVENT IS NOW OCCURRING FOR FOR DUNCANVILLE TO MAKE THAT DECISION OF WHAT TAKES THIS CITY AND POLICE DEPARTMENT INTO THE NEXT 40 PLUS YEARS. THANK YOU SIR. ABSOLUTELY. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT PARTICULAR SLIDE? YES, SIR. SO. 33,000 FOR THE 35 MILLION. NO COMMUNITY. IS THAT CORRECT.

SO IT'S NO COMMUNITY ROOM, NO WELLNESS ROOM, NO WEAPONS CLEANING, MAINTENANCE ROOM, PATROL CONFERENCE. NO. IT CENTRALIZED BREAK ROOMS GONE OUT TO OUTDOOR PATIO AND GREEN SPACES. GONE ARE GYMS GONE. SO THOSE ARE THE BIG, BIG, BIG TICKET THINGS THAT I'VE HAD TO PULL. AND IT'S NOT FOR STICKER SHOCK, IT'S TO MAINTAIN THE OFFICES THAT WE NEED TO MAINTAIN TO RUN THIS DEPARTMENT. SO RIGHT NOW, CURRENTLY, YOU HAVE YOUR CITIZENS ON PATROL,

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THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT GO INTO THAT PROJECT, BUT AND THEN MIDLOTHIAN WAS, I THINK 58 MILLION APPROXIMATELY. OKAY, WELL, LET'S TAKE THOSE LAST TWO. OKAY. IN THAT $50 MILLION RANGE UP HERE, WERE THEY WITH OR WITHOUT THESE REDUCTIONS THAT YOU STILL HAVE AT THE $50 MILLION LEVEL? DID THOSE FACILITIES NOT HAVE SOME OF THOSE ITEMS THAT ARE LISTED THERE? THEY I LOOK THROUGH THESE. THEY STILL HAVE MOST OF THESE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE STORAGE AND TECH BECOMES MORE EFFICIENT AT PUTTING INTO A SMALL OUTBUILDING DONE AT A MORE ECONOMICAL CONSTRUCTION POINT. SOMETIMES ON PROJECTS. WE EVEN TREAT THAT AS AN ALTERNATE. WE SEE HOW BIDS COME IN. IF THEY COME IN GOOD, WE MAYBE CAN FUND THAT. PUT A LOT OF THE STUFF THAT POLICE DEPARTMENTS ACCUMULATE IN. ALMOST WANTS TO BE OUT OF THE NICE, MORE PROFESSIONAL BUILDING. BUT I THINK ON ALL OF THOSE, WE HAD A FAIR AMOUNT OF THIS ALREADY EMBEDDED IN THAT TO THE SAME POINT ON BOTH THOSE FACILITIES, HOW DID THEY COMPARE ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE? SO ON ROANOKE, IT WAS A 46,000 SQUARE FOOT MAIN BUILDING AND A 16,000 SQUARE FOOT SUPPORT TRAINING AND SHOOTING RANGE. SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT THE OUTLIER WITH THE SHOOTING RANGE COMPONENT. AND THEN ON ROYSE CITY THAT WAS INCLUDED, THE MAIN BUILDING AND THE SMALL SUPPORT BUILDING, I THINK JUST AT ABOUT 30,000, 31,000FT■!S. AD TO POINT OUT THE ROANOKE BUILDING, THE BUILDING WAS ACTUALLY A METAL BUILDING, AND THEY HAD A LOT OF SPACE ON THAT PROPERTY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. SO THAT IS KIND OF THE SECRET TO THEIR SOURCE CITY. YEAH, YEAH. YES I APOLOGIZE. YES. NO THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S THE SECRET SAUCE THERE. A LITTLE MORE CHEAPER. BUT YOU'RE NOT LOOKING FOR SHOOTING RANGE. WELL, AND I LISTEN NOT EVERY I, I THIS MAY SOUND WEIRD TO YOU GUYS, BUT I THINK THE GUYS ON THE PERIMETER.

THIS MAKES SENSE. NOT EVERY AGENCY POLICES THE SAME WAY. NOT EVERY AGENCY HAS A SWAT TEAM. WE HAVE A SWAT TEAM. MIDLOTHIAN DOESN'T. THEY'RE PART OF A REGIONALIZED TEAM, SO THEY. WE HAVE TO PROVIDE THAT STORAGE FOR FOR THE EQUIPMENT. AND BELIEVE ME WHEN I TELL YOU, IT CAN FILL UP THIS ROOM FAIRLY QUICKLY. SO OUR POLICING MAY BE DIFFERENT THAN THEIRS. WE MAY HAVE WE HAVE OUR OWN RISE UNIT, MENTAL HEALTH UNIT. THEY MAY NOT. SO IT'S NOT JUST HERE.

HERE'S THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. ANY POLICE DEPARTMENT CAN FIT INTO IT AND DO THEIR JOB. IT'S SPECIFIC TO THE AGENCY. THAT'S WHY WE DO THESE NEEDS ASSESSMENT. AND IF WE DIDN'T, IF IT WAS A COOKIE CUTTER, THERE WOULD BE NO NEED ASSESSMENT NECESSARY BECAUSE WE CAN JUST MOVE INTO A PRE STRUCTURE IN PLACE THAT WAY. BUT AGAIN, I'M NOT A FORTUNE TELLER. I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE NEXT TEN, 15 YEARS WHEN IT COMES TO TECHNOLOGY, BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE THE DRIVING FACTOR OF A LOT OF THIS STUFF. AND I THINK THE HARDEST THING CURRENTLY FOR EVERYONE TO GET THEIR MIND WRAPPED AROUND IS THAT ROUGHLY

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BUT YOU KNOW WHAT GOES INTO THESE BUILDINGS, NUMBER ONE ON DAY ONE TO SATISFY BUILDING CODE. ANY POLICE FACILITY IS CONSIDERED A CRITICAL ASSET FACILITY. IT HAS TO BE DESIGNED 25% MORE ROBUST THAN ANY OTHER REGULAR BUILDING, CITY HALL, MUNICIPAL COURT, ANY OTHERS LIKE THAT. SO RIGHT AWAY, YOUR 25% INCREASE JUST ON ANY BASELINE COST. AND THEN YOU START DOING THE HARDENING, YOU KNOW, THE BALLISTIC PROTECTION. AND A POLICE FACILITY IS ONE OF FIVE FACILITIES. NOW WITH THE NEW BUILDING CODE THAT YOU MUST HAVE A 250 MILE AN HOUR RATED STORM SHELTERS, FIRE STATIONS, DISPATCH CENTERS, SCHOOLS, HOSPITALS, POLICE. THAT ALONE IS A VERY ROBUST, YOU KNOW, ELEMENT BE DESIGNED INTO NEW FACILITIES. THEN YOU START LOOKING AT THE TECHNOLOGY, THE REDUNDANCY, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE AN EMERGENCY GENERATOR BIG ENOUGH TO POWER THAT WHOLE BUILDING, UNINTERRUPTED POWER TO KEEP SERVICES GOING 24/7 AND DURABLE FINISHES. AND I MEAN, YEAH, THERE'S A WHOLE LIST I'VE CREATED OVER THE YEARS, PROBABLY ABOUT 30 ITEMS THAT THAT PEOPLE GO, IT CAN'T BE THAT MUCH. YOU KNOW, I BUILT ANOTHER BUILDING LIKE THIS FOR HALF THAT. BUT WHEN YOU START TOTALING UP ALL OF THAT, THAT GOES INTO WHAT YOU NEED TO BE PROVIDING FOR THESE TYPE OF BUILDINGS THAT'S CRAWLING WITH THE MARKET. IS THAT THAT I OPENED UP FIVE POLICE FACILITIES IN THE PAST 16 MONTHS, AND THEY ALL WERE TRACKING ROUGHLY AT THAT. AND THERE'S A LINE CURVE OF, YOU KNOW, ABOUT THE PAST, YOU KNOW, SEVEN, EIGHT YEARS OF FACILITIES, TEN AND 11 NINE OF WHICH I WORKED ON THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT WE CURRENTLY SIT TODAY AT ABOUT THAT THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT. AND IT'S HARD TO PREDICT WHAT MAY HAPPEN WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING IN OUR WORLD OF, YOU KNOW, OIL AND TARIFFS AND A SEVERE LABOR SHORTAGE, ESCALATION, THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE USING RIGHT NOW. AND WHAT ADG IS USING THAT'S APPROPRIATE RIGHT NOW, NOT KNOWING WHAT OTHER FACTORS MAY SETTLE DOWN OR CALM DOWN, HOPEFULLY IN THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS. BUT THAT'S WHAT ALL GOES IN AND DRIVES THAT NUMBER. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. YOU MAY BE GETTING INTO IT, BUT YOU MENTIONED FUTURE GROWTH.

WHAT DO YOU USE TO PREDICT THE FUTURE GROWTH? SOMETHING THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO LOOK AT. AND SO TWO AREAS THAT ALWAYS ARE THE HIGHEST UPTICKS FOR ANY POLICE AGENCY IS INVESTIGATIONS AND PATROL THE GOOD NEWS ON PATROL, YOU KNOW, 90% OF THAT IS IT'S JUST ANOTHER TWO BY TWO LOCKER THAT AN OFFICER CAN, YOU KNOW, CALL THAT HOME. THEY STILL HAVE THE WORKOUT FACILITY, A BRIEFING ROOM, ALL THE OTHER AMENITIES WITHIN THAT BUILDING, BUT PATROL. THEN ONCE YOU HAD ENOUGH, YOU KNOW, SAY, YOU KNOW, SIX. EIGHT. TEN. NOW YOU TRIGGER, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER MAYBE SERGEANT LEVEL, ANOTHER LIEUTENANT LEVEL. OKAY, NOW YOU'RE LOOKING AT OFFICE, BUT A LOT OF AGENCIES, DETECTIVES, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU YOU OPEN UP A BUILDING, YOU GO BACK FIVE YEARS LATER, THERE MIGHT BE AN UPTICK OF FIVE, SIX, SEVEN DETECTIVES. YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW, DIGITAL FORENSICS IS THE LATEST JUST GOING THROUGH THE ROOF OF PROVIDING A FACILITY THAT SETTING TO PROCESS DIGITAL EVIDENCE, BE IT A LAPTOP, A PHONE, THINGS LIKE THAT. OKAY, SO WHEN IT COMES TO PERSONNEL, SO THE MATRIX STUDY, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT PERSONNEL THAT GROWTH? SURE. SO PERSONNEL WISE, IT'S THAT NONDISCRIMINATORY TIME. IT'S THE GOING OUT THERE AND BEING PROACTIVE. WHAT THEY NOTICED WHERE WE HAD A VERY LOW PERCENTAGE OF THAT WAS FROM AROUND 3 TO 10, 3 TO 11, WHERE IT WAS LIKE 20%, BECAUSE YOU'RE JUST CHASING THAT RADIO FROM ONE CALL TO THE NEXT. AND THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF OUR VEHICLE VEHICULAR CRIME HAPPENS WITHIN THAT TIME. BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THESE OFFICERS ARE ANSWERING CALLS. SO WHEN YOU ADD TWO PATROL THAT THAT PROACTIVITY INCREASES. AND THAT'S WHERE WE GOT OUR NUMBERS OF 71 TOTAL OFFICERS, EXCLUDING ME. THAT'S THAT'S THE TWO ASSISTANT CHIEFS. THAT'S THE LIEUTENANTS, THAT'S THE SERGEANTS, THAT'S THE OFFICERS. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT ORG CHART NOW YOU CAN START POSITIONING PEOPLE THERE. AND I'M TELLING YOU, WE ARE CLOSE TO GETTING FULLY STAFFED WHERE WE CURRENTLY ARE NOW WITH 65 OFFICERS. SO IF YOU REMEMBER THIS BUDGET YEAR, YOU GUYS GAVE US AN ADDITIONAL TWO OFFICERS TO WORK WITH AND WE'RE CLOSE TO HIRING THOSE. I THINK WE'VE GOT FOUR CONDITIONAL JOB OFFERS AND WE HAVE FOUR VACANCIES. SO WE'LL GET THERE. AND THEN NEXT YEAR, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GOING TO ASK FOR, HEY, CAN WE ADD X AMOUNT SO WE CAN CONTINUE DRIVING THAT CRIME RATE DOWN? BECAUSE WHEN YOU SEE THIS, YOU SHOULD BE SEEING BUSINESSES COMING IN, RIGHT? AT LEAST IN THROUGH MY LENS, WE'RE DOING OUR JOB NOW. LET'S TRY TO GET THIS ECONOMY KIND OF BACK ON THE RIGHT PAGE. AND WE'RE WORKING WITH OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ON THAT. THAT EDUCATIONAL PIECE. SO CAN YOU SEE A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN STAFFING NEXT FOUR YEARS? OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE SOME DEPARTMENTS. YOU ALL WILL THE NEED BE THERE. THE NEED IS ALWAYS THERE. I WILL TELL YOU

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I MEAN, IT'S A THREE LEGGED STOOL. I ALWAYS SAY OF, YOU KNOW, IT'S RECRUITMENT, IT'S RETAINING AND IT'S MORALE OF A NEW FACILITY. AND WE ALL KNOW, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU KNOW, OFFICERS AND THEN WHAT THEY'RE GIVING UP AND, YOU KNOW, PUTTING THEMSELVES OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO COME TO MONEY, YOU KNOW, ON A COMPARABLE OTHER AGENCY. BUT IF MONEY'S EQUAL AND THEY HAVE AMENITIES OF WELLNESS AND AMENITIES OF TRAINING JUST UP THE ROAD, AND RIGHT NOW THE METROPLEX IS NOT SHORT OF BRAND NEW FACILITIES OPENING UP. THAT'S GOING TO DRAW SOME INTEREST. IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE, WOW, YOU KNOW, IF I KEEP THE SAME MONEY AND GO HERE, LOOK WHAT I PICK UP. GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T MEAN TO. SO WHEN WE MET BACK IN JANUARY, WE ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH A, B, C, D AND SOME HYBRIDS OF EACH OF THOSE. AND SO THE FIRST ONE THAT WE ORIGINALLY PRESENTED WITH KIMLEY-HORN ATG WAS MASTER PLAN D. SO THIS IS THE SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN. AND IT ACTUALLY WE HAD SOME CONVERSATION. IF YOU LOOK AT THIS DIAGRAM, THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT ENCROACHING ON ARMSTRONG PARK. WE ALSO HAVE POLICE AND COURTS IN THIS NEW FACILITY. AND THESE TWO ARE THE BUILDING THAT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW OBVIOUSLY WOULD HAVE WOULD REMAIN AND THEN WE'D HAVE ALL

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OBVIOUSLY, WE DON'T WANT TO ENCROACH ON OUR NEW ARTS AND CULTURAL DISTRICT, BECAUSE THIS WOULD ALSO REQUIRE THAT WE HAVE A VOTE. WE'VE ALREADY CONSULTED WITH CITY ATTORNEY, AND SO WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO BE DOWN THE LINE IN A PROCESS READY TO BUILD A NEW FACILITY.

AND WE CAN'T HAVE THIS ADDITIONAL THIS ADDITIONAL SECTION OVER HERE. SO AFTER THAT CONVERSATION, WE WENT BACK AS PART OF THE REVISIONS, WE HAD A NUMBER OF WORKSHOPS WITH KIMLEY-HORN, AEG, AND TALKED ABOUT DIFFERENT SITE PLANS. AND JUST TO BRING EVERYBODY UP TO SPEED AGAIN, ON THE CONTEXT, THE GOAL WAS OR SOME OF THE DIRECTION, IF YOU WILL, WAS THAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO ACQUIRE ANY NEW LAND, A RETROFIT. WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT WAS CURRENTLY AVAILABLE THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY GO INTO AND RETROFIT. THERE WERE LOTS OF IDEAS THROWN OUT. HOWEVER, MOST OF THOSE FACILITIES ARE EITHER OCCUPIED BY OTHER BUSINESSES OR OWNERS. THEY'RE NOT TECHNICALLY ON THE MARKET, AND SO IT WOULD HAVE TAKEN ADDITIONAL TIME FOR US TO IDENTIFY OTHER, OTHER SPACES, IF YOU WILL. AND SO THEN WE CAME BACK WITH THIS, THIS OTHER MASTER PLAN. SO IN THAT CONVERSATION, THE DIRECTION THAT WE RECEIVED FROM OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS WAS TO PURSUE MASTER PLAN D, THE COST AND WHAT OPTIONS. SO WE WENT BACK TO THE SAME PLAN. WE OBVIOUSLY TOOK OUT THE CORNER HERE OF ARMSTRONG PARK. BUT PART OF THAT, THAT IMPACT TO US WAS BASED ON THE CONVERSATION OR THE INFORMATION THAT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD BY OUR CITY ADMINISTRATION TEAM. IF WE KEPT IT AT 35 MILLION, WE ABSOLUTELY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO PUT A COURT AND POLICE FACILITY IN THIS BUILDING. SO PART OF WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN THAT WORKSHOP WITH KIMLEY-HORN WAS, WELL, THE PROJECT IS SUPPOSED TO BE ENCOMPASSING OF BOTH BOTH POLICE AND MUNICIPAL COURTS. AND IN ONE OF OUR CONVERSATIONS, PART OF WHAT WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT WAS, AS WE WERE OFFBOARDING THE ANNEX OVER HERE, 103, WHAT HAPPENS TO THOSE EMPLOYEES WHO ARE DISPLACED AND WHAT THAT PROCESS WOULD LOOK LIKE? SO WE WERE ASKED TO IDENTIFY AN ANCILLARY PROJECT. WHAT WOULD THOSE COST BE? WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT HERE SHORTLY. SO IN DOING SO, WE WOULD MOVE THOSE PEOPLE INTO THIS BUILDING OVER HERE INTO THE OLD PD. BUT WITHOUT WE WOULD NEED TO REMODEL THAT FOR OBVIOUS REASONS OR REFIT IT BECAUSE THERE'S JAIL CELLS IN THERE.

IT'S NOT CONDUCIVE TO KIND OF THE OTHER TYPES OF WORK. SO IT WOULD BE IT AND FINANCE MOVING INTO THAT SPACE, BUT IT'S A LITTLE OVER 13,000FT■!S. SO WE DON'T WANT TO TAKE FOR GRANTED THAT SPACE AND JUST PUT TWO DEPARTMENTS IN. SO WE HAD TO WORK THROUGH WHAT OTHER OPTIONS DO WE HAVE? HOW CAN WE MOVE OTHER PEOPLE OR OTHER DEPARTMENTS OR ROLES INTO THAT SPACE? AND SO IN DOING THAT, WE'LL TALK ABOUT HOW WE COULD TWO DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR US TO BRING IN COURTS AND OTHER NONPUBLIC FACING DEPARTMENTS IN WITH IT AND FINANCE. SO IN THIS IN THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT OR THIS ENHANCED DESIGN, AS WE LIKE TO REFER TO IT, WE WOULD KEEP ALL OF OUR PARKING. I THINK WE MAY HAVE LOST TWO SPACES MAYBE, BUT WE ALSO HAVE ADDITIONAL ACCESS POINTS. THE ENTRY PLAZA IS NOT BACKED IS OR EXCUSE ME, THE TWO BUILDINGS ARE NOT BACKED UP AGAINST ONE ANOTHER. SO THE ENTRY MEMORIAL PLAZA MAKES WAY FOR WAYFINDING SIGNAGE, SIGNAGE AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. AND OH, GO AHEAD WHILE I LOOK AT THIS, WE WERE TALKING EARLIER ABOUT THAT FUTURE GROWTH STRATEGY. AND THIS WASN'T EVEN LISTED HERE. BUT BECAUSE OF THIS DASH BUILDING OUTLINE ABOVE, WELL, THERE'S YOUR FUTURE GROWTH STRATEGY DOWN BELOW. AND IT'D BE VERY ECONOMICAL TO INFILL THAT SOMEWHERE ELSE DOWN THE ROAD BECAUSE YOU'VE ALREADY GOTTEN, YOU HAVE A SECOND STOREY ABOVE THAT ALREADY FRAMED OUT AND HANGING OVER THAT AREA. ALL RIGHT. SO AS PART OF THE FAQ, THE QUESTIONS THAT WE WERE ASKED, WE TOOK A LOOK AT THE FLOOR PLAN FOR CITY HALL AND PD. SO THIS IS THIS BUILDING OBVIOUSLY WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW. SO THE GOAL WOULD BE TO OBVIOUSLY FIND A SPACE FIRST AND FOREMOST FOR MUNICIPAL COURT. AGAIN, ORIGINALLY WAS DESIGNED TO HAVE BOTH FACILITY OR BOTH DEPARTMENTS, BOTH UNITS AND IN THE NEW FACILITY TOGETHER. SO WE WENT THROUGH A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS OF REVISIONS. SO QUITE FRANKLY, OBVIOUSLY, I MEAN, I THINK THE OBVIOUS THING WAS, WELL, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH THIS OLD PD? AND MANY PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM WANTED TO KNOW WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE TO REMODEL AND TO MOVE FOLKS INTO THIS SIDE OF THE BUILDING. SO AGAIN, WITH 13,000FT■!S, WE WOULD RELOCATE T AND FINANCE ANY OTHER NON PUBLIC FACING ROLES. WE COULD, WE COULD THEN BUILD OUT ADDITIONAL TRAINING AND COMMUNITY SPACE HERE AS WELL. IT IMPACTS THE EMPLOYEE EXPERIENCE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL HAVE USED THE RESTROOMS IN THIS BUILDING. LEAVES A LOT TO THE IMAGINATION IF YOU WILL.

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BUT THEN WE ALSO LOOKED AT IT AS TWO SEPARATE TWO SEPARATE PROJECTS. AND WE WANTED TO JUST JUST IN THE SPIRIT OF TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY, LET YOU KNOW WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT SO WE COULD MOVE EVERYBODY OVER HERE TO THIS SIDE, OR WE COULD GIVE PORTS THERE PRIORITY AND LEVERAGE WHAT WE HAVE OVER HERE IN TERMS OF BEING FINANCIALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS SPACE, THIS ROOM THAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY ALREADY IN. SO WE WOULD TAKE THIS CITY ADMINISTRATION PORTION HERE AND THEN REMODEL, REFIT IT FOR THE NEEDS THAT QUARTZ CURRENTLY HAS, WHICH, WHICH IS AN IMPORTANT NEED. AND THERE'S QUITE A FEW THINGS THAT THEY NEED IN TERMS OF SEPARATING DEFENDANTS AND VICTIMS AND ATTORNEYS AND ALL OF THE THINGS AND MEETING SPACE. AND THEN WE HAVE, I THINK VICKI AND HER TEAM ARE KIND OF CRAMMED INTO A PRETTY SMALL SPACE, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT CHIEF IS EXPERIENCED. SO WE WANT TO AFFORD THEM THE SAME EXPERIENCE, IF NOT EXACTLY THE SAME, SOMETHING PRETTY CLOSE TO.

SO WE TALKED ABOUT LEVERAGING THIS AREA. AND THEN WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN IS CITY ADMINISTRATION WOULD MOVE INTO THIS AREA, WHAT YOU SEE OVER HERE. SO THEN WE WOULD GIVE YOU MUNICIPAL COURT, THIS AREA RIGHT HERE. WE CAN LEVERAGE THE EXISTING CHAMBERS. WE WOULD INCREASE THE SECURITY THERE, AND THEN WE WOULD RELOCATE WHOEVER IS IN THIS SIDE, IN THE EAST SIDE OVER THERE, WHICH WOULD BE CITY ADMINISTRATION, HUMAN RESOURCES BUILDING MAINTENANCE IS ACTUALLY ON THE WEST SIDE. BUT WE ALSO HAVE FOLKS ON THAT SIDE WHO ARE CRAMMED INTO WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE WHO HAVE OFFICES AS CLOSETS. SO IF WE LOOK ABOUT THE IF WE IF WE THINK ABOUT THE EMPLOYEE EXPERIENCE OVERALL. NOW, IT'S NOT JUST YOUR PROJECT, BUT NOW WE'RE TAKING CARE OF EVERYBODY IN ONE PRICE POINT. SO PUTTING CITY ADMINISTRATION, BUILDING MAINTENANCE, IT AND FINANCE IN THIS AREA OVER HERE, AND THEN GETTING BACK TO COURT, MAKING SURE THAT AS A PRIORITY IN A SECONDARY SUBSEQUENT PROJECT, MUNICIPAL COURTS WOULD BE HOUSED HERE. SO JUST JUST TO REITERATE, IT IS A SEPARATE PROJECT NOT RELATED TO BOND, BECAUSE THAT QUESTION WAS BROUGHT TO US. WHAT WOULD IT WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? WHAT WOULD IT TAKE? SO AGAIN, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE SHARED THAT INFORMATION WITH YOU AS WELL. BECAUSE AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH WHATEVER DECISION WE COME TO, IF WE ARE MOVING FORWARD, WE WOULD DISPOSE OF 103. GO AHEAD. WELL, JUST ONE NOTE TOO, IN AS FAR AS COSTS GO.

NOW ON THE CIP NEEDS ASSESSMENT. WE DID FOR YOU ALL BASED ON THE HEWITT STUDY, IT WAS ABOUT $6 MILLION TO DO BASICALLY A BASIC RENOVATION TO CITY HALL. SO AS SHE SAID, YOU WOULD STILL HAVE TO GET A COSTCO FOR DOING THIS BECAUSE THAT WAS MORE CALLING FOR JUST A GENERAL REHAB OF THE BUILDING IS WHAT THAT THAT STUDY SAID TWO YEARS AGO. SO JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT RIGHT NOW, THE ONLY COST PROJECTION WE'VE GOT IS JUST THAT BASED ON THAT NEW STUDY, THAT STUDY DIDN'T INCLUDE THE COST FOR THE DEMOLITION OF 103. IT DID NOT. IT WAS BASICALLY, IF YOU RECALL, IT HAD A COST STUDY FOR A MUNICIPAL SERVICE CENTER AND LIBRARY SENIOR CENTER IN CITY HALL. IT KIND OF DID A. OF OUR FACILITY THAT DID NOT INCLUDE POLICE DEMO WOULD ACTUALLY GO IN THE YES POLICE PROJECT. SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO SPEND THAT COST HERE. IT WOULD BE IN THE BOND. YES, SIR. SO THE $6 MILLION COST IS INCLUDED IN THIS. BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT THAT'S NOT ENOUGH. SO YOU'RE SAYING I SEE A HEAD SHAKING. THAT'S NOT. NO. SO IT'S A DIFFERENT PROJECT. IT'S A DIFFERENT A DIFFERENT PROJECT. I'M JUST MAKING A NOTE. YEAH.

PROJECT. BUT YOU HAVE FUNDING OR CONSIDERATION FOR FUNDING INCLUDED IN THAT 35 MILLION TO DO THIS WORK. SO THIS WOULD BE AN ADDITION. THIS IS A COMPLETELY SEPARATE PROJECT.

AND WHAT MR. ABERNATHY IS REFERRING TO IS THEIR ASSESSMENT, THEIR PROJECTION OR AN OPINION OF PROBABLE COST ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO REFIT THIS BASED ON WHAT THAT

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SO BAREBONES, VERY BASIC, SOMETHING KIND OF MIDDLE OF THE ROAD, IF YOU WILL, SIMILAR TO IN THE PD PROJECT, THE $50,000,055 MILLION MARK AND THEN EMPLOYER OF CHOICE, RIGHT? SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE ALONG THE SAME LINES THAT DON IS SHARING, THAT CHIEF IS SAYING IS THAT WE'RE NOW GOING FOR ALL THE BELLS AND WHISTLES, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IT WILL ACCOMMODATE THE OPERATIONAL ADJACENCY AND EFFECTIVENESS OF ALL THE TEAMS OR DEPARTMENTS THAT WE WOULD PUT IN THAT IN THAT SIDE. SO AS A RESULT OF THAT, WHEN I WHEN WE WORKED WITH THEM AND I SHARED THE SCOPE AND OUTLINED SOME SPACE BECAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY DONE THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT FOR MUNICIPAL COURTS. SO THERE ARE THAT PART IS, IS KIND OF ALREADY OUTLINED. SO WHAT WE ASKED THEM TO DO, IF YOU ALL REMEMBER, WAS TO COME BACK WITH A PROPOSAL OF WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO PUT ALL OF THAT TOGETHER FOR US. AND SO THAT'S PART OF THE EXHIBIT THAT YOU ALL WILL GET TODAY. IS THAT KIMLEY-HORN PROPOSAL, NOT SOMETHING THAT WE NECESSARILY HAVE TO VET FROM A COUNCIL AGENDA PERSPECTIVE. BUT AGAIN, PART OF WHAT YOU ALL ASKED US TO DO, THE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.

AND YOU CAN SEE ACTUALLY THE WORK THAT KIM HAS PUT INTO THAT AND WHAT IT WOULD TAKE FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD. YES, SIR. HOW MANY SQUARE FEET IS THE EXISTING POLICE DEPARTMENT FACILITY? IT'S A LITTLE OVER 13,000FT■!S. HOW MANY SQUARE FET IS THE SIDEWALK? HOW MANY SQUARE FEET IS THE CURRENT AUXILIARY BUILDING? THE OLD LIBRARY, 103. IT'S ABOUT 8500FT■!S FOR OUR FACILITIES GROUP. SO DEFINITELY SMALLER THAN THE CURRENT. HOW MUCH OF THE CURRENT PD FACILITY IS IS IS CURRENTLY USABLE FOR LIKE WORKSPACE OFFICE SPACE? BECAUSE I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THE JAIL WE COULD USE. WELL, RIGHT NOW, PROBABLY MOST OF IT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MAYBE ABOUT THREE, IT IS 2000FT■!S BECAUSE THE JAI. YES. WE, WE HAVE BECOME VERY EFFICIENT WHERE WE'VE EVEN USING CLOSETS TO OFFICE PEOPLE, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN BAD ENOUGH TO WHERE WE'RE PUTTING PEOPLE IN A JAIL CELL YET, BUT THAT WILL SOON HAPPEN. I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT IS YOU KNOW WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS. SO YES, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE WHAT YOU MIGHT BE ASKING US IS, IS THERE ANY ROOM FOR US TO WHICH WE DID PUT OUT BRIEFLY IF, IF IN ITS CURRENT STATE, COULD WE MOVE PEOPLE THERE WITHOUT DOING A HUGE ADDITIONAL PROJECT? CORRECT. IS THAT WE ABSOLUTELY COULD DO THAT. YEAH. AND NOT THAT WE WOULD WANT TO KEEP THEM, BECAUSE THEN THEY WOULD BE IN THE SAME SITUATION YOU ALL ARE IN NOW. NOT THAT WE WOULD WANT TO KEEP THEM IN THAT SITUATION, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE AN EMERGENCY WHERE WE'D BE LOOKING FOR EXTRA SPACE. CORRECT. BECAUSE NOW THEY'RE OKAY. YES. NO, I THINK THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM FOR THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD MOVE OVER THERE. AND TO YOUR POINT, MR. KOONTZ, WE ACTUALLY ONE OF THE POINTS THAT I'LL BRING OUT IS THAT WE ACTUALLY HAD ALREADY, I BELIEVE IN 2024, 20, GOING INTO 2025 CITY HALL, THERE WAS A, A, A PROJECTED PROJECT FOR 2030 TO DO SOME RENOVATIONS, WHICH IS WHY THE, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THAT ASSESSMENT CAME ABOUT. SO ABSOLUTELY, WE, WE DON'T HAVE TO BE IN A HURRY TO DO THIS SECONDARY PROJECT. THIS WORKS BECAUSE NOW WE CAN MOVE IF WE MOVE TO THE PD PROJECT. YES, WE ABSOLUTELY DISPLACE EMPLOYEES, BUT WE HAVE AN IMMEDIATE SPACE FOR THEM TO GO TO WORK. AND YOU'RE SAYING A MEDIA SPACE FOR THEM TO GO TO WORK WITHOUT ANY RENOVATIONS. WE COULD DO THAT. WE COULD. WELL, THEY ALREADY HAVE PROBLEMS OVER THERE.

YOU'RE GOING TO JUST TRANSFER THOSE PROBLEMS TO THE NEW OCCUPANTS. SO SO I'M GLAD THAT YOU SAID THAT, MAYOR, BECAUSE YOU ACTUALLY SAID IT BEFORE, WHICH IS WHY WE TOOK IT BACK AND SAID WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING WITH THIS SIDE. WE WE DIDN'T WANT TO JUST DUMP IT AND FINANCE IN AN OLD. AGAIN, THE EMPLOYEE EXPERIENCE AND WHAT OTHER DEPARTMENTS COULD WE USE THERE? IF YOU ALL RECALL, MAYBE YOU ALL DON'T KNOW, BUT WE DID A SPACE PLANNING PROJECT IN 2025 WHERE WE WANTED THIS WEST SIDE TO BE CUSTOMER FACING AND PART OF OUR CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE INITIATIVE. SO THIS WOULD ALSO ALLOW US TO BRING THERE'S PROBABLY WE HAVE BUILDING MAINTENANCE OVER THERE AS WELL. WE COULD BRING THEM OUT AND THAT WOULD MAKE MORE ROOM FOR ALL THOSE CUSTOMER SERVICE FOLKS THAT ACTUALLY DO TALK WITH THE PUBLIC PERMITTING, PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICE, CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE, ETC. YEAH, I JUST WANT TO SEE I MEAN, WE

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OKAY. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. BUT GREAT QUESTION. AND WE'VE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT ALSO WITH KIMLEY-HORN ADG AS WELL, BECAUSE THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT WHERE WE MEET WITH THEM.

WE WERE CONCERNED WHEN WE WHEN I TALKED TO OUR PREVIOUS ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF FINANCE, TIA, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SHE AND I TALKED ABOUT IS WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND TALKING ABOUT THE EMPLOYEE EXPERIENCE, TO LEAH'S POINT, MAKING SURE THAT WE CONSIDER ALL THAT ARE IMPACTED IN OUR PLAN. AS AS A REMINDER THAT 103, THAT WAS A LIBRARY BEFORE IT WAS A BIG OPEN SPACE. AND WHEN EMPLOYEES WENT OVER THERE, THAT THAT WAS KIND OF AN AWKWARD ARRANGEMENT AS WELL. I MEAN, THAT SPACE WASN'T DESIGNED AT ALL FOR WHAT THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE THROWN IN THERE FOR. SO I DON'T KNOW IF MAYBE THOSE DEPARTMENTS CAN SPEAK TO WHETHER OR NOT JUST MOVING OVER TO THE CURRENT POLICE SPACE, AT LEAST THAT SPACE IS DESIGNED FOR WORKSPACES AND DESIGNS, YOU KNOW, HAS I MEAN, THEY WERE PUTTING PARTITIONS OVER THERE.

YEAH. JUST TO BE CLEAR, I DON'T WANT TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THIS MYSELF. THAT WAS TAKEN OVER BY A PRIVATE ENTITY THAT DID A FINISH OUT IN THERE TO ACCOMMODATE THEIR NEEDS. WHAT WERE THEY CALLED? DON. YOU REMEMBER THEM? THEY DIDN'T LAST BUT A COUPLE OF YEARS IN THERE.

SO THEY HAD ALREADY MADE MASSIVE REPAIRS. WE WENT IN TO FACILITATE OUR CIVILIAN OCCUPANTS IN THEIR. AND WE MADE SOME MINOR RENOVATIONS TO MAKE THOSE ADJUSTMENTS. BUT A LOT OF THAT WAS BETWEEN THE LIBRARY OCCUPANCY AND THE EMPLOYEE OCCUPANCY. THERE WAS A LOT OF REPAIR WORK, AND A MATTER OF FACT, THEY INCREASED THE SIZE OF THE BATHROOMS. THEY DID A LOT OF WORK OVER THERE, SO IT WASN'T QUITE THE QUITE THE LEAP WE'RE TAKING HERE. THE FOLKS THAT THEY WERE TO MOVE OVER THERE AFTER THE POLICE MOVED OUT, THEY'D BE IN A PRETTY SHABBY ENVIRONMENT BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY TO UNDO THINGS LIKE THAT AND NOT LEAVE IT IN A NOT SO DESIRABLE FOR FOR EMPLOYEES COMING IN THAT MAYBE WE'RE IN A BETTER SITUATION FOR HOWEVER LONG THAT MIGHT LAST. I'D BE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE TRYING TO WORK AND DO THE KIND OF CONSTRUCTION YOU'D HAVE TO DO EVENTUALLY WHILE PEOPLE ARE OCCUPYING THAT SPACE IS A MESS. IT WOULD BE A MESS THAT I WOULDN'T WANT THE EMPLOYEES TO HAVE TO SIT THROUGH. SO I'M JUST LOOKING AT IT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO REALLY WITH THE THE, THE NEW POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHICH BY THE WAY, I SAW IT'S STILL THREE STORIES. IT IS. YES, SIR. OKAY. YES. BUT THE FOOTPRINT OUT THERE, WE HAVE TO GO UP. SO AS

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AND SO WE KNOW ABOUT OUR EXPERIENCE WITH COST OVERRUNS AND BUDGET CONTROL. SO DON IS ONE OF THOSE FOLKS THAT WORKS IN THAT ARENA, WORKS AS A COMMUNICATOR BETWEEN THE PROJECT AND ALL THE CONTRACTORS AND EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON DAY TO DAY WITH THE INTERNAL TEAM, YOU KNOW, QUALITY CONTROL INSPECTIONS AND WHATEVER RISK THAT COULD COME UP ALONG THE WAY. SO JUST SO THAT WE'RE ALL CLEAR AS WELL, NOT A SUBSTITUTE FOR US NOT TO GET THE RIGHT FOLKS AND TAKE ALL THE LEGAL ACTION THAT WE NEED TO, BUT DEFINITELY SOMEONE TO WALK ALONGSIDE US IN THE BEST INTEREST OF. SO WALK ALONGSIDE US ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS, THIS ENDEAVOR, WHICH IS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ITSELF, THE CONSTRUCTION, AND THEN ALL THESE OTHER THINGS WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, THESE ANCILLARY PROJECTS. I COULD I MEAN, MY, MY PASSION FOR THE PAST 45 YEARS IS PUBLIC SAFETY, POLICE, FIRE, MUNICIPAL COURT, CITY HALL. SO, I MEAN, IT IS ALL STILL FEEDING INTO THAT THAT REALM. BUT YEAH, I REALLY POLICE IS WHERE I, YOU KNOW, I SAID EARLIER ABOUT 250 PLUS PROJECTS. SO LET'S SAY FOR THE MOMENT THAT THAT'S NOT PASSIONATE IS INTERESTING. WHO'S GOING TO BE MONITORING THE ANCILLARY COSTS TO THE EXTENT THAT WE HAVE COVERED EVERYTHING, EVERY POSSIBILITY.

SO AT SOME POINT BEFORE NOVEMBER, WE'LL KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT'S GOING TO COST US TO MOVE PEOPLE AROUND OUTSIDE OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CONSTRUCTION BUDGET. SO OH, GO AHEAD. I MEAN, I FEEL THAT TO DELIVER THIS POLICE PROJECT IS GOING TO ENTAIL BEING IN THE WEEDS ON ALL THE REST OF THIS BECAUSE IT'S ALL SO INTERCONNECTED. SO WHAT CAN WE MOVE THEM OUT HERE AND THEN WE MOVE THEM OVER HERE. I MEAN, IT'S THIS WHOLE RUBIK'S CUBE.

AND SO KNOWING THAT POLICE IS NOT GOING TO BE MOVING IN OR, OR COUNCIL BE CUTTING THE RIBBON FOR CLOSE TO THREE YEARS. I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO BE A MONTHLY, DAILY, WEEKLY DISCUSSION OF ALL THE PIECES AND THE PEOPLE. AND SO I FEEL I'M GOING TO BE INVOLVED IN IT ANYWAY TO HELP DELIVER THE POLICE PROJECT. THANK YOU. YES. AND THAT'S JUST FOR PHASE ONE AS WELL. RIGHT. SO TWOFOLD AND GREAT CALL OUT AND QUESTION FOR US WOULD BE AS WE AS WE CLOSE OUT THIS PHASE ONE, WE WOULD LEVERAGE DON IN THIS CAPACITY AS WE MOVE FORWARD TO THE OFFICIAL PROJECT WITH YOU ALL'S APPROVAL, THEN WE WOULD LEVERAGE HIM AS WELL. AND THEN ALSO ALL OF THE WE DO HAVE THREE OTHER, TWO OTHER PMPS WITHIN THE CITY. SO WE WOULD ALL BE A PMO TEAM TO COMMUNICATE WITH HIM AND BE EYES AND EARS BOOTS ON THE

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NOBODY. YES. YEAH, THAT'S MY POINT IS I WANT YOU GUYS TO FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH WHATEVER DECISION YOU GUYS MAKE BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE RESIDENT EXPERT, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GO TO HIM AND ASK ABOUT THIS LAW THAT'S OR THIS CRIME THAT'S HAPPENING ON THE STREET, RIGHT? YOU'LL PROBABLY COME TO ME OR SOMEBODY IN THIS ROOM. IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN THIS. I'M NOT THE EXPERT.

THAT MEANS THE EXPERT. AND THAT'S WHY I WANTED HIM HERE IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS, TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO YOU. AND HE DIDN'T GET ANY MONEY TODAY? HE DID NOT. HE GOT A WATER.

WELCOME TO OUR WORLD. AND I WILL SAY AS WE WERE DOING TOURS, YOU KNOW, HIS NAME KEPT COMING UP IN EVERY PLACE I WENT, OH, YOU KNOW, HE WORKED WITH. YEAH. SO, SO BACK TO OUR POINT. I THINK YOU TOUCHED ON IS THAT IN ALL OF THE HUNDREDS OF PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES THAT YOU'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH, YOU HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH SOME THAT HAVE THESE OUTSIDE OF THAT FACILITY, THESE OTHER CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE. YES. MOVING ON MORE AND MORE, IT'S MULTIPLE, YOU KNOW, LIKE MIDLOTHIAN, WE HAD TO WOW, YOU KNOW, PULL IN MUNICIPAL COURT, ADMINISTRATOR ADMINISTRATION, THE FIRE MARSHALL POLICE ALSO, THEY HAD AN OUTSIDE INVESTIGATIVE, YOU KNOW, FEDERAL GROUP. AND SO MORE AND MORE PROJECTS ARE REALLY GATHERING THE, THE SORT OF CAPS AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE GET THEM INTO THE BUILDING AND ALSO HOW WE MOVE ALL THE PIECES AND PARTS AROUND. AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT THE END OF THE DAY, HAVING THAT RESOURCE HELPS US BE AS TRANSPARENT AS WE CAN BE WITH OUR PUBLIC. AS WE GO THROUGH THIS, AND WE TALK ABOUT THIS AND THE POTENTIAL TO ACCOMPLISH ALL THIS, WE CAN'T AFFORD TO MISS ANY. HAVE ANY MISSTEPS OR MISCALCULATIONS ALONG THE WAY. SO THAT'S WHY I'M GLAD WE HAVE AN EXTRA SET OF EYES THAT WOULD BE WATCHING, AND HOPEFULLY THAT ALL THAT AGREEMENT WILL COME TO BE AND WE'LL FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE. AND I FEEL THE FIRST FOR YOU TONIGHT. AND I FEEL TYING RIGHT INTO THAT, I'D BE REMISS OF NOT TELLING, YOU KNOW, FROM MY JOURNEYS OF ONE RECENT, YOU KNOW, PROJECT, NORTH DALLAS, BUT TO WHERE, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS 4 OR 5 YEARS AGO.

SO IT WAS PRE-COVID. AND WE DID THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT FOR POLICE. AND WE SAID, WOW, AS FAST AS THIS COMMUNITY IS GROWING AND WAY BEYOND THE GROWTH LEVELS THAT YOU HAVE, BUT YOU KNOW, WE SAID YOU NEED 46,000FT■!S AND TE LEADERSHIP IN THE CITY SAID, HERE'S 12 MILLION, KNOCK YOURSELF OUT. AND THAT ONLY GOT HIM 22,000FT■!S. AND ON DAY ONE OF MOVING IN, THEY WERE SIGNING

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AND I THINK IN THE BACK OF THEIR MINDS ARE LIKE, WE JUST PUT YOU IN A BRAND NEW POLICE FACILITY. WHY ARE YOU ASKING AGAIN FOR THIS? AND SO GOING BACK TO EARLIER IN MY TALK, YOU GET ONE CHANCE HERE TO GET IT RIGHT ABOUT EVERY 40, 42 YEARS. AND CITIZENS, REMEMBER THAT YOU'VE ALREADY BEEN TO THE TROUGH AND ENGORGED. WE DON'T WANT TO PROVE THIS AND IT FITS IN WELL WITH THE DISCUSSION. WOULD YOU GO RIGHT? THAT FITS IN WELL WITH THE DISCUSSION WE HAD EARLY ON ABOUT THE EDUCATIONAL PIECE. THAT'S RIGHT. FROM NOW UNTIL THEN, WE HAVE TO REALLY EDUCATE THE PUBLIC AND BE TRANSPARENT WITH THEM ABOUT BOTH SIDES OF THIS ENDEAVOR.

AND SO WE'RE ALREADY AWARE OF THAT, THAT EDUCATION CAN BE KEY TO TRYING TO GET TO WHERE WE WANT TO GET WITH THE CITIZENS AND TALKING TO THEM ABOUT THIS. CAN'T TALK ABOUT THAT FOR A SECOND. SURE. SO WE ARE ON BOARD WITH THAT. WE MET WITH THE COMPANY THAT'S GOING TO DO OUR EDUCATIONAL WITH US, THE MARKETING. I HAVE SOME DOCUMENTS THERE. WE'RE LOOKING AT RT PROCURING OUR WEBSITE. WE ARE DOING EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO GET READY. WE'RE GOING TO HOST TOWN HALLS. WE'RE GOING TO I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO DO EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN BESIDES ME GETTING DIVORCED TO GET THIS THING GOING RIGHT. SO IT WAS A GOOD SEGUE. SO WHEN WE MET IN DECEMBER, ACTUALLY FOR OUR OFF SITE, ONE OF THE RESOUNDING COMMENTS FOR FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED FROM YOU ALL WAS THE EDUCATIONAL PIECE AROUND THIS. AND OBVIOUSLY SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN THAT DISCUSSION. SO TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT CHIEF IS SAYING AS PART OF OUR ENGAGEMENT PLAN. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANT TO I DO WANT TO CALL IT IS THAT IT'S REALLY NEVER TOO EARLY TO JUST START HAVING THE CONVERSATION AND PUT IT OUT THERE, WHETHER, WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO VOTE OR NOT, IF IT'S A YES OR A NO, JUST EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ON WHAT IT ACTUALLY MEANS. AND I BELIEVE IT WAS IN SOME OF OUR CITIZENS INPUT IN THE CONVERSATION ON JANUARY 20TH, WHERE WE DID HAVE FEEDBACK AND THE PUBLIC DID GIVE US FEEDBACK THAT THEY FELT LIKE, WELL, HEY, NOW YOU'RE HAVING THIS BIG PRESENTATION AND THERE HASN'T BEEN A WHOLE LOT OF DIALOG OR INFORMATION OUT THERE. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WITH YOUR BLESSING AS A GOAL, THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT WE DO THAT APPROPRIATELY. SO WE HAVE IDENTIFIED A FIRM THAT CAN ASSIST US BUILDING OUT THE THE WEBSITE. SO IT WOULD BE AN ACTUAL LANDING PAGE THAT IS DEDICATED TO THE BOND PROJECT WITH INFORMATION GUIDES, SIMILAR TO WHAT CHIEF HAS BROUGHT HERE TONIGHT WE HAVE AN ONLINE HOMEOWNER TOOL. SO LIKE A WIDGET WHERE. SO MY HOUSE IS WORTH 450,000. IF YOU DO THIS, I'M GOING TO PUT PLUG IN THESE NUMBERS AND IT'LL SPIT OUT WHAT MY CITY TAX, IF YOU WILL, OR TAX WOULD LOOK LIKE. PART OF WHAT JENNIFER AND HER TEAM PUT TOGETHER FOR US TONIGHT. SO THE INFORMATION SESSIONS AND WE DON'T WANT TO JUST LIMIT THOSE TO JUST A TOWN HALL. WE ALSO WANT TO TAKE THEM INTO DIFFERENT PLACES. SO CHIEF AND I HAVE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH DIFFERENT CHURCHES IN THE, IN THE, IN THE AREA AS WELL AS ALL OF OUR SOCIAL CLUBS HERE. SO SOME ENGAGEMENT EVENTS. WE HAVE A PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTION THAT THAT YOU ALL WILL GET OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS WILL HAVE BASED ON THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU'VE ALREADY ASKED LEADING UP TO THIS. BUT ON THE WEBSITE, THERE'LL BE A PORTION WHERE THERE'S FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS AS WELL. SO WE WANT TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE EDUCATE THEM. NO QUESTION IS IS TOO TRIVIAL, IF YOU WILL. SO DOWN TO WHAT IS THE BOND? WHAT IS YOUR CITY NEED TO DO IF THEY'RE GOING TO ASK YOU TO VOTE FOR A BOND, WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS? WHAT IS THE TIMELINE? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR YOU? WHAT HAPPENS IF, IF SOMETHING OF THIS NATURE DOESN'T PASS, OR WHAT HAPPENS WHEN IT DOES PASS? ALL OF THOSE THINGS AND ALL OF THE WORK THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING WITH FINANCE AND NOW WITH DON, WITH KIMLEY-HORN, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN SHARE THAT WITH THE PUBLIC AS WELL. AND THEN ALSO SOME SOCIAL MEDIA EDUCATIONAL CAMPAIGNS. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ON LINKEDIN, NO ROCK UNTURNED, LINKEDIN, INSTAGRAM, FACEBOOK. WE ALSO BELIEVE THAT THERE'S A HUGE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO LINK THIS TO OUR DIRECT WEBSITE SO THAT IF PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THE BOND, THEY'RE NOT GOING ALL OVER. THEY CAN JUST CLICK AND THERE IT COMES UP. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE USER INTERFACE AND THE USER EXPERIENCE BECAUSE WE WE DO HAVE SOME OPPORTUNITY IN OUR EXISTING WEBSITE THAT WE'RE WORKING ON. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE NAVIGATE IT VERY QUICKLY. YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T REQUIRE 20 CLICKS TO JUST GET TO SEE A QUESTION ANSWERED OR TO, TO SEE VISUALS OR ANY OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE POSTED ON THE WEBSITE. ALL

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AND SO IN TONIGHT'S CONVERSATION, AND I'LL SHARE SOME SHARE THOSE EXHIBITS WITH YOU HERE SHORTLY. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU FEEL INFORMED, THAT YOU HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION THAT YOU CAN BEGIN TO THINK ABOUT THE WAY FORWARD, WHAT THE CRITICAL PATH WOULD BE IF WE NEED TO COME BACK. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE TIMELINE BEING PREPARED, KIND OF OUR JOURNEY TO A BOND ELECTION IN NOVEMBER. SO TONIGHT, WHAT DO WE TAKE AWAY FROM TONIGHT? WHAT QUESTIONS ARE HAVE ARE NOT ANSWERED OR WHAT OTHER QUESTIONS DO WE HAVE? SO THEN WE WOULD COME BACK IN MAY FOR A QUICK TOUCH BASE, EITHER BY SPECIAL SESSION OR IN A BRIEFING. HOWEVER, WE DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD AND WE WE REALLY WANT TO GET TO A GO OR NO GO DECISION POINT. AND SO THE, THE DECISION MAKERS HAVE TO LET US KNOW WHERE ARE WE IN TERMS OF THE DEBT CAPACITY? WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE? CAN WE ACTUALLY GO TO A NOVEMBER BOND ELECTION? AND IF WE CAN, IF THE PATH IS GO, THEN WE WANT TO HAVE ONE FINAL CONVERSATION. IF IT'S NECESSARY TO MAKE SURE ALL OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'VE ASKED US FOR, THAT YOU FEEL CONFIDENT THAT WE ARE IN A READY STATE, THAT THE COMMUNITY FEELS EDUCATED, AT LEAST UP TO THAT POINT, THAT YOU FEEL CONFIDENT AND THAT WE'RE WE'RE ALIGNED AND WE'RE READY TO MOVE FORWARD.

WE CAN'T WE CAN'T MOVE FORWARD IF WE AREN'T ALIGNED. SO WE WANT TO MAKE THE REASON WHY WE WANT TO HAVE THAT LAST CONVERSATION AND JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ON POINT IS BECAUSE WE DO HAVE ALL THE STATUTORY DEADLINES THAT WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE THAT WE NEED TO MEET SO THAT WE CAN FILE FOR THE ELECTION AND MOVE FORWARD. IF FOR SOME REASON I FEEL LIKE I'M NOW IN THE UNLIKELY EVENT THAT THE CABIN LOSES PRESSURE, THEN WE'LL FIGURE OUT WE'LL PUT OUR MASK ON FIRST, BUT WE'LL FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD IN TERMS OF THAT PATH.

SO, DELILAH, CAN YOU HELP ME? SO WE HAVE A FEW EXHIBITS THAT WE WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU AND THE TOTAL PACKAGE. NONE OF THIS IS LIKE SECRET OR SENSITIVE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS HAD THIS INFORMATION. AS WE KIND OF MOVE INTO MORE OF A DISCUSSION PIECE, WE HAVE ONE OTHER ELEMENT THAT WE WANT TO SHARE AS IT RELATES TO ANOTHER PROJECT. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET THAT OUT. BUT WE WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU THE FACILITY SITE COMPARISON THAT WE DID BASED ON ALL THE FACILITIES THAT WE VISITED ROANOKE, WAXAHACHIE, ROYSE CITY, MIDLOTHIAN AND WATERFORD. AND THEN THERE IS PROBABLY ABOUT 15 PAGES OF FAQ. AND WHAT WE DID WAS TOOK ALL THE QUESTIONS FROM THE BEGINNING AS WE STARTED THIS PROCESS AND PUT THEM HERE. SO JUST SO YOU KNOW, THE INTERNAL TEAM WE DISCUSSED, THAT DOESN'T TRANSPOSE TRANSPOSE VERY WELL ON A, ON A SCREEN, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS. THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE SECONDARY PROJECT SCOPE THAT WE KIND OF ALREADY TALKED THROUGH. SO WE'LL SHARE THAT WITH YOU KIND OF TALK THROUGH WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, IF THERE ARE OTHER QUESTIONS AROUND THAT. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE TWO PROPOSALS. SO WE HAVE THE LONGHORN ATG PROPOSAL WITH REGARD TO WHAT IS IT GOING TO TAKE FOR US TO GET TO A PLACE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT A REMODEL RETROFIT WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR US? AND THEN MR. WURZBURGER, THE OWNER REPRESENTATIVE PROPOSAL, IS ALSO A PART OF THAT PACKAGE AS WELL. SO WE ARE. WERE YOU ABOUT TO SAY SOMETHING? MR. NO, NO, NO. OKAY. SO WE DO WANT TO DIVE INTO THE EXHIBITS AND ADDRESS ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. AND SO IF YOU ALL COULD BEAR WITH US JUST A FEW MORE MINUTES BEFORE WE JUMP INTO THAT, WE ALSO HAVE MR. MUHAMMAD HERE. SHE'S GOING TO SPEAK BRIEFLY ON THE SERVICE CENTER PROJECT. SO WE WANTED TO LEVERAGE THIS TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GOT THAT IN FRONT OF YOU AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT AS WELL. SO. I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE A BREAK. WE'RE GOING TO LET HER MOVE FORWARD, AND I'LL TURN IT OVER AND LET YOU ALL NEED A BREAK. WOULD YOU LIKE TO TAKE A BREAK HERE? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I'LL DRIVE FOR YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS JAHAN MUHAMMAD, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS. GOOD EVENING AGAIN. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYBODY. SO SINCE

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SO WE WANTED TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO BRING BACK THE SERVICE CENTER AND TALK ABOUT WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE HOW THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF ACHIEVING THIS PROJECT IN THIS CASE. SO I WANTED TO BRING A QUICK SNAPSHOT OF THE HISTORY OF LOOKING AT THE SERVICE CENTER PROJECTS AND BRINGING BACK SOMETHING. WE HAVE PROBABLY BRIEFED COUNCIL ABOUT BEFORE AND COUNCIL HAVE SEEN, IS THE FACILITIES NEEDS ASSESSMENT. AND THAT WAS THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT THAT THE LATEST COMPREHENSIVE NEEDS ASSESSMENT THAT WAS DONE ON THE SERVICE CENTER, SOME OTHER FACILITIES. AS A RESULT OF THAT, THERE WAS AN ESTIMATE OF ABOUT $8 MILLION THAT WAS CREATED, BUT THAT WAS ASSOCIATED WITH A REHABILITATION OF EXISTING BUILDING. INSTEAD OF RECONSTRUCTING THE EXISTING BUILDING OR LIKE COMING UP WITH A NEW BUILDING IN THAT SPACE LATER ON. AND THAT ESTIMATE ITSELF WAS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PREVIOUS BOND ESTIMATE, WHICH WAS WITH ADDITIONAL CONTINGENCIES AND, AND, AND SOME ADDITIONAL DESIGN COSTS WITH A TOTAL OF $12 MILLION. NOW, THE PICTURES YOU SEE HERE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS YOU HAVE ALSO SEEN BEFORE AS A PRELIMINARY OR CONCEPTUAL DESIGN THAT WAS LATER ON WORKED ON BY THE FORMER CITY MANAGER WITH ANOTHER CONSULTANT, WHICH WAS MRP GROUP, AND THIS WAS PROVIDED BY MRP GROUP AS CONCEPTUAL DESIGN FOR. ON HOW A NEW FACILITY WOULD LOOK LIKE. HOWEVER, DETAILED COST ESTIMATES WERE NOT ESTABLISHED FOR THIS. JUST AS A CAVEAT TO THIS DISCUSSION. NEXT, PLEASE. THANK YOU. SO THE DESIGN, THE OUR APPROACH AND WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING AS AN APPROACH FOR THE EXISTING PROJECT IS TO REALLY LOOK AT DIVING A LITTLE MORE TO GET A DETAILED ESTIMATES IN TERMS OF HOW THIS IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE AND WHAT THE CITY CAN AFFORD BEFORE ISSUING C, O, S OR TALKING ABOUT FUNDINGS FOR THIS PROJECT. SO WHICH IS WHY WE'RE RECOMMENDING A TWO PHASED APPROACH TO THE PROJECT. PHASE ONE WOULD INCLUDE SCHEMATIC DESIGN AND COST VALIDATION TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO FALL IN THE SAME BALLPARK OF $12 MILLION OR NOT, DEPENDING ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DESIGN THE PROJECT. AND THEN NEXT STEP WILL BE OUR NEXT PHASE WILL BE REALLY DOING THE FULL DESIGN THAT'S GOING TO BE READY FOR CONSTRUCTION. SO NEXT PLEASE. ALL RIGHT. SO LOOKING AT THIS FINANCIALLY AS IT STANDS TODAY, THE PROJECT CURRENTLY IS, AS YOU ALL MIGHT BE AWARE, THIS PROJECT IS A 2018 BOND PROJECT. SO AS PART OF THE 2018 BOND PROGRAM, THERE WAS ABOUT $2.3 MILLION ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT AND VOTED BY PUBLIC TO SPEND A LITTLE BIT OF THAT. FUNDS WAS ALREADY SPENT DURING THE WORK OF, OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE PRELIMINARY DESIGN THAT WAS SHARED, SOME OF THE STUDIES AND THE ACTIONS THAT WAS DONE. AND THAT WAS WHAT SPENT. AND THAT SHOWS THE DIFFERENCE HERE. SO THIS IS WHAT'S AVAILABLE TODAY IN THE PROJECT ACCOUNT FUNDS.

AND THAT'S ABOUT 2 MILLION AND 197 AND 200. AND THEN THERE IS ALSO ANOTHER PIECE TO IT THAT WAS PART OF PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS WITH THE BOND COMMITTEE AS WELL, IS THE $2.4 MILLION AVAILABLE IN INTEREST INCOME FROM THE PREVIOUS BOND. SO THE TOTAL OF THE AVAILABLE FUNDS THAT CAN BE UTILIZED FOR THE PROJECT IS 4.597 AND $200 MILLION. SO WITH THAT, SO THAT'S WHERE WE STAND AS FINANCIALLY. AND OUR APPROACH IS REALLY RECOMMEND RECOMMENDING TO DO CERTIFICATE OF OBLIGATIONS TO GET THE PROJECT CONSTRUCTED. AVAILABLE FUNDS ACTUALLY CAN COVER THE DESIGN OF THE PROJECT AS IT STANDS TODAY. SO WE CAN

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RIGHT. SO, SO NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THOSE SAVINGS GOING AND PAYING FOR. SO AS, AS I MENTIONED, THIS WOULD HELP THE SAME FUND ACCOUNT, WHICH IS THE UTILITY. SO UTILITY FUNDS ARE, YOU KNOW, UTILITY FUNDS ARE ENTERPRISE. SO IT'S REVENUE GENERATING FUND ALREADY THAT TYPICALLY CITIES DO USE CEOS AND PAY THEM FROM THIS KIND OF ENTERPRISE FUNDS THAT ARE REVENUE GENERATING FUNDS. SO TO ACHIEVE CIP, LARGER PROJECTS, BECAUSE IT'S REALLY HARD TO ACHIEVE PROJECTS WHEN YOU'RE DOING WHEN YOU'RE USING THEM DIRECTLY WITH NO DEBT. AND IN FACT, IT'S NOT ENOUGH REALLY FUNDS THAT WE'RE ACHIEVING OR REALLY REVENUE THAT WE'RE MAKING AND UTILITIES TO BE ABLE TO DO ALL OF THE LARGER CIP PROJECTS. SO THAT'S THE APPROACH FOR CITIES TYPICALLY. AND THEN I SEE MR. JACKSON IS TRYING TO CHIME IN HERE. SO. HI AGAIN. YEAH. SO AGAIN, IF YOU RECALL, JUST OVERALL LOOKING AT THE BOND PROJECTS AND PROGRAMS HOLISTICALLY, WE TALK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT POLICE FACILITY AND ABOUT SERVICE CENTER. THAT'S WHERE THE GENESIS OF ALL THE DISCUSSION WAS. SO AS IT RELATES TO ARMY, AGAIN, TO YOUR POINT, AND I KNOW COUNCILMAN MCBURNETT JUST BROUGHT THAT UP AS WELL, THAT YES, FOR ARMY SPECIFICALLY, THE IDEA WAS THAT THE SAVINGS FROM THAT WOULD BE ACHIEVED FROM THE

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SINCE JENNIFER IS HERE WITH US, JUST TO CONFIRM, WE HAVE BOTH OF THESE ITEMS ALREADY, LIKE THE PROPOSALS WE DID SHARE THEM WITH YOU ALL. RELOOK AT THAT PROPOSAL FOR NOW.

SO, MISS GOODWIN, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR US? COUNCIL PRESENTATION IS 6000. IS THAT WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING OR AM I READING IT WRONG FOR THE TEAM TO TRAVEL IF THEY COME ON SITE? OKAY. IT INCLUDES TRAVEL, NOT JUST STANDING HERE DOING A PRESENTATION. YES. OKAY. THAT'S ALL THEIR EXPENSES. BUT THERE'S USUALLY IT IS JUST A LINE UP EMBEDDED IN WITH THAT AS WELL.

OKAY. YES. SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE SAME DOCUMENT THAT WAS GOOD. IT HAS THE EXISTING

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CORRECT? YES. OKAY. I JUST MENTIONED I THINK WE NEED A PROFESSIONAL GRANT WRITER. YES.

THAT WAS ACTUALLY A COMMENT WE GOT AT THE BOND COMMITTEE. THEY MENTIONED THE SAME THING THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD. YEAH, THAT WAS A REALLY GOOD COMMENT. WE GOT THERE TOO.

BUT YEAH, WE AGREE. THAT INDIVIDUAL WILL BE DEDICATED TO OUR PROJECT. SIMILAR TO THE WAY DON AND HIS CAPACITY IS GRANT EXPERT WOULD BE OUR PERSON FOR ALL OF WHAT'S AVAILABLE FOR US DOING THAT APPLICATION PROCESS FOR US AND RESEARCHING ONGOING FOR NEW OPPORTUNITIES. SO THIS IS SOMETHING FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER. KIMLEY-HORN PROPOSAL RIGHT NOW. AND THEN YOU'LL BRING IT BACK LATER, MAINLY FUNDING, WHICH WE'LL BE BRINGING TO YOU GUYS. A BRIEF ON THE SEVENTH. YEAH, TECHNICALLY SPEAKING, BY PROCUREMENT, WE CAN WE CAN DO THE AMENDMENT TO THE EXISTING CONTRACT INTERNALLY, ADMINISTRATIVELY, BUT WE JUST SIMPLY DON'T HAVE THE FUNDS. SO MR. JACKSON IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE BRIEFING YOU ON THE SEVENTH ON SOME OF OUR FUND BALANCE POLICY. YOU KNOW, SOME OF OUR WHERE WE'RE OVER THAT.

AND SO WE NEED TO DO SOME ONE TIME COST PROJECTS. AND SO WE'RE BRIEFING YOU ALL ON THE SEVENTH ON THAT. BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE DEFINITELY WANT TO CONSIDER. SO THE SEVENTH PUTS US AT 21 DAYS, THEN INTO THAT 120 DAYS. SO NOW WE'VE LOST SOME ADDITIONAL TIME TO GET WHAT'S GOING ON. HOW LONG DOES IT NORMALLY TAKE TO PREPARE FOR A GRANT APPLICATION? WHAT ALL WOULD YOU NEED TO GATHER AS FAR AS, DO YOU AT LEAST HAVE A CHECKLIST OF WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING? SO THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. I'M NOT SURE I AM UNFAMILIAR WITH THIS GRANT.

IT IS A FEDERAL GRANT, AND I HAVE APPLIED WITH THOSE IN THE PAST, AND IT IS EXTENSIVE ON WHAT YOU NEED AND THE DOCUMENTS THAT YOU NEED TO GET. I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT ON THAT YET.

I DON'T WANT TO STEP OUTSIDE THIS AND START WORKING WITH THEM NOW WITHOUT YOU GUYS CERTAINLY GIVING US THE OKAY. NOW IF THERE IS A SENSE OF URGENCY FROM COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, MR. JACKSON AND I CAN DEFINITELY GET TOGETHER AND SEE WHAT MAY BE AVAILABLE IN THE CURRENT BUDGET WE'RE CONSIDERING. IT'S ABOUT $62,000 FOR THAT PROPOSAL AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. SO, I MEAN, IF THERE IS A SENSE OF URGENCY AND THAT'S THE TAKEAWAY FROM THE COUNCIL RIGHT NOW, WE CAN TRY TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO AND MAYBE COME BACK WITH

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WE'RE ALREADY 14 DAYS BEHIND ON WHATEVER OPPORTUNITIES WE HAVE FOR GRANT OF 120 DAYS. AND IF WE ARE WAITING TILL THE SEVENTH, THAT'LL PUT US EVEN FURTHER BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL IN THAT TIMELINE, AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WILL TAKE TO GATHER THE INFORMATION. SO WE'RE CONSIDERING 35 TO $50 MILLION TO $60 MILLION. ANY LITTLE ASSISTANCE WE CAN GET WITH THAT, I WOULD THINK WOULD BE LESS OF A BURDEN ON THE TAXPAYERS. YES, YES, WE CAN. WE CAN GO BACK AND WE'LL GO BACK AND LOOK AT OPTIONS AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO. SO I'LL GET WITH FINANCE AND WE'LL KEEP YOU ALL UPDATED. THAT'S JUST MY LET'S HEAR. WHAT DID YOU ALL HAPPEN TO MENTION IN THE GRANTS THAT ARE THERE TWO GRANTS THAT WE'RE MAKING APPLICATION FOR? SO I PULLED UP THE ONE THAT JULY 23RD, THE DEADLINE, JULY 23RD. AND IT IS THROUGH FEMA. AND I'M UNFAMILIAR WITH THE OTHER ONE. I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT UNLESS THAT'S THE ONE. IS THAT THE ONE? I BELIEVE SO, OKAY, OKAY. AND I KNOW GRANTS ARE FUNNY, BUT DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT WHAT AMOUNTS THAT WOULD BE ASKING FOR? WELL, WITHOUT GETTING IN DEPTH IN THIS. SO IT SAYS 757 MILLION FOR NATIONAL COMPETITION. UP TO 20 MILLION FEDERAL COST SHARE PER SUBAPPLICATION. SO I WOULD ASSUME THAT WE WOULD TRY TO OBTAIN AS MUCH MONEY AS WE COULD. SO IT SAYS NO SINGLE APPLICANT MAY RECEIVE MORE THAN 15% OF THE TOTAL AVAILABLE FUNDING ACROSS THE B, R I C CATEGORIES INCLUDES A COMBINED TOTAL. SO WITHOUT GETTING. I DON'T WANT TO TELL YOU SOMETHING THAT'S NOT RIGHT. WITHOUT LOOKING INTO THIS FURTHER, TO FIGURE OUT IF THERE IS A A PERCENTAGE MATCH THAT WE HAVE TO PROVIDE. I JUST DON'T WANT TO SAY ANYTHING ON THE RECORD WITHOUT LOOKING AT IT. I UNDERSTAND THAT'S WHY I SAID GRANTS ARE FUNNY. I'VE BEEN INVOLVED ARE MANY GRANTS AND SOME. EXPERIENCES THAT I'VE HAD.

OKAY, WELL, 15% OR SOMETHING. YEAH. THAT'S A BIG AMOUNT. BUT LIKE SHE SAID, THERE'S NO STONE GOING TO BE UNTURNED WHEN IT COMES TO THIS. IT'S THAT IMPORTANT. EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM. SO IF THE GRANTS APPLICATION, THAT ONE GRANT APPLICATION IS IN JULY, THEN DO WE KNOW WHEN THEY WOULD RESPOND? YOU KNOW WHAT? I'LL TELL YOU THIS. WE'VE APPLIED FOR GRANTS WHERE IT'S BEEN 3 OR 4 YEARS BEFORE WE GOT THE MONEY, AND WE'VE HAD TO DO A CHANGE OF NARRATIVE, BECAUSE WHAT WE WANTED 3 OR 4 YEARS AGO NO LONGER IS EFFECTIVE FOR US NOW.

SO IT'S I'M NOT SURE. I MEAN, THE WHEELS OF JUSTICE, THE WILLS OF, OF THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCHES, VERY SLOW. BUT AGAIN, IF WE DON'T APPLY FOR IT, YOU'RE GUARANTEED NOT TO GET ANY. YEAH. AND TECHNICALLY SPEAKING, WHEN YOU ARE I MEAN, WE CAN PUT THIS EDUCATION, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE JUST ASKING THE VOTERS FOR THE AUTHORIZATION TO ISSUE THAT DEBT. IF YOU GET DOWN THE PROJECT AND YOU'RE ABLE TO GET MORE GRANTS, YOU MAY NOT NECESSARILY HAVE TO ISSUE THAT FULL DEBT. IT'S JUST JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. AGAIN, STILL NEED TO WORK OUT THE BUGS. BUT TECHNICALLY SPEAKING, WHEN YOU GO TO THE VOTERS, YOU'RE JUST SIMPLY ASKING FOR THAT AUTHORIZATION TO, TO, TO ISSUE 50 MILLION OR 35 MILLION OR WHATEVER DECIDED IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST SOMETHING TO FOOD FOR THOUGHT THAT, YOU KNOW, IDEALLY WE'D LIKE TO GET THAT DATA AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT NOTE, THE WAY IT WAS PRESENTED THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HAVING TWO DIFFERENT ISSUANCES, RIGHT, 40% AND 60%.

SO COULD WE ISSUE THAT INITIAL 40 OR 60%? AND THEN IF WE GET A GRANT OR THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY, WE MAY NOT HAVE TO ISSUE AS MUCH AS WE. ABSOLUTELY. I WOULD ASSUME SO. AGAIN, I'M THE I'M THE PROBABLY THE LESS SMART PERSON IN THIS ROOM OTHER THAN LAW ENFORCEMENT STUFF. SO I GAVE YOU REMEMBER, LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE ASKING ME THAT QUESTION. I'M LIKE, I DON'T HAVE A CLUE,

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NOW WE'RE READY TO GO TO TO GO TO THIS. DO WE NOT HAVE SHARED DRIVES HERE IN THE CITY WHERE YOU CAN PROVIDE US ACCESS TO A SHARED DRIVE FOLDER? YES. AND THEN WE'RE ABLE TO GO IN AND VIEW WHATEVER INFORMATION IT IS YOU'RE PROVIDING TO US. THAT WAY WE CAN'T CROSS TALK TO ONE ANOTHER AND MAKE ANY DECISIONS. IT'S JUST INFORMATION THAT'S AVAILABLE. WE CAN ACCESS IT, READ IT, REVIEW IT, AND THEN IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS, SEND THEM BACK TO YOU INDIVIDUALLY BY EMAIL. YES, MA'AM. SO WE DO THAT FOLDER. YES, MA'AM. IT WAS SET UP ACTUALLY ONE OF THE FIRST ITEMS ON MY WORK PLAN. SO THAT FOLDER DOES EXIST. AND I'LL MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL HAVE THAT LIVE LINK AND WE'LL LEVERAGE THAT. AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE THAT'S HOW WE OPERATE AT ANOTHER MUNICIPALITY. OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD. WHAT'S YOUR NAME? WHICH WILL. SO WE HAVE THE. IF THERE ARE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS AROUND GRANTS, WE DO HAVE MR. BERGER'S PROPOSAL HERE AS WELL. DO WE GIVE YOU WHAT YOU NEED? I THINK WHAT I'LL DO. I DIDN'T GET A FULL CONSENSUS, BUT I WILL WORK WITH FINANCE TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO. IF THERE'S A WAY WE CAN FAST TRACK SOMETHING. SO I'LL HAVE TO GET WITH THEM AND I'LL UPDATE THE COUNCIL, SEE WHAT WE CAN DO.

CAN I SAY SOMETHING? SURE. JUST LIKE WHAT THE MAYOR SAID. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OUTCOME WILL BE. WE DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT WILL TAKE. BUT WE DO HAVE CONTROL OVER HOW LONG WE CAN GET THE APPLICATION COMPLETED AND ENTERED, OR AT LEAST GET THE CHECKLIST OF WHAT THEY WILL BE ASKING FOR AND START PREPARING. AND ONCE THIS KIMBERLY HORN COME ON BOARD, WE CAN AT LEAST BE AHEAD AND SAY, WE ALREADY HAVE THE DOCUMENTS THEY REQUESTED. AND HERE'S WHAT YOU NEED TO JUST GO AHEAD AND COMPLETE THE APPLICATION ANY WAY WE CAN STREAMLINE IT, I GUESS, IS WHAT I'M SAYING. YEAH. AND PREVENT US FROM HAVING THE BIG, HUGE COST OR OFFSET IT SOME WAY I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL. YEAH, I'LL DEFINITELY GET INTERNAL. WE'LL LOOK IN AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO FAST TRACK. YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT SOME IDEAS IN MY HEAD, BUT I CONSULT WITH OUR FINANCE TEAM. BUT YEAH, I'VE GOT I THINK I'VE GOT PRETTY MUCH DIRECTION ON THAT.

SO I'LL UPDATE YOU ALL ON WHAT WE DO. SO. SO JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE'RE CLEAR, WE WILL TAKE THE STEPS TO FIND OUT THE DETAILS OF BECAUSE THAT'S PUBLIC, WHAT IS REQUIRED, WHAT'S NEEDED. AS MR. ABERNATHY WORKS THROUGH THE FINANCIAL COMPONENT. SO WE CAN BE AHEAD OF THAT. YES. SO THE 720 AGREEMENT. MR. DON WURTZBURGER AS OWNER'S REP. THERE'S GOING TO BE A CONTRACT, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. YES. I MEAN, I GLANCED THIS I'M COMFORTABLE WITH DEFERRING TO CHIEF'S JUDGMENT ON THAT. THIS LOOKS GOOD AND ACCEPTABLE TO YOU. IT DOES TO ME. YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'VE DEALT WITH THE FACILITY HERE WHERE WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT THIRD PARTY COME IN AND MANAGE IT. AND I THINK THIS WILL DISALLOW SOME OF THOSE ISSUES THAT WE'VE HAD. YES, SIR, 100%. AND I PURPOSELY, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY MOST ARCHITECTS DO LUMP SUM CONTRACTS, BUT THIS ONE, NOT KNOWING WHAT THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS MIGHT BE UP TO NOVEMBER, I LEFT IT AS HOURLY THAT, YOU KNOW, ONE WEEK I'M NOT SPENDING ANY TIME. THE NEXT WEEK IT'S TEN HOURS. BUT MAYBE WE GET TO NOVEMBER. I HAVEN'T EVEN ACCRUED THAT FULL AMOUNT, BUT I JUST FELT IT WAS ONLY

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THE OTHER ITEMS THERE, WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO. I MEAN, IT'S AT YOU ALL'S DISCRETION ON HOW, YOU KNOW, CONVERSATION THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE. DON IS ALSO HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND CHIME IN AS WELL. BUT AGAIN, WE TRY TO. SO I'LL START WITH THIS COMPARATIVE ANALYSIS OF THE POLICE AND COURT SITE VISITS THAT WE DID BASICALLY JUST OUTLINES THE FACILITY, THE DATE IT OPENED, THE BUILD TYPE, AND THE INCLUDED DEPARTMENTS AND FEATURES THE SQUARE FOOTAGE ACREAGE, IF THAT WAS AVAILABLE. SO MEANING THE FOOTPRINT, HOW THEY FUNDED THE PROJECT. AND THEN THE REASON WHY WE PUT THE COVID PRICING IN THAT CONTEXT IN THERE IS WE KNOW THERE WERE SOME CONVERSATIONS INTERNALLY ABOUT VISITING CERTAIN FACILITIES. AND DON KIND OF TOUCHED ON THAT EARLIER ABOUT WHAT THE PRICE IS. AND ONE YEAR OR A COUPLE YEARS AGO, A FEW YEARS AGO DEFINITELY CHANGES. AND SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE. ALSO, CHIEF MENTIONED EVERY DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT. AND SO THERE ISN'T ONE THAT'S EXACTLY LIKE DUNCANVILLE. SO ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS THAT THE CHIEF AND HIS TEAM WOULD BE, WOULD, WOULD NEED AND, AND THE SPACE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE ONE THAT'S SUCCINCTLY APPLES TO APPLES. BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THIS EXERCISE WAS BENEFICIAL. IT DEFINITELY HELPED US UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S OUT THERE AND WHAT PEOPLE ARE DOING GAVE US A LOT OF GOOD INSIGHT. WE ALSO BUILT QUITE A FEW RELATIONSHIPS ALONG THE WAY, AND IT HELPED US SEE WHAT WAS POSSIBLE. AND THEN I WILL ALSO ADD THAT IN MEETING WITH ALL OF THESE, THESE CHIEFS, ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS THAT THEY GAVE FEEDBACK THAT THEY GAVE BACK TO US IS STORAGE. ANOTHER CALL OUT WAS CUSTODIAL, RIGHT? SO WHEN YOU BUILD A NEW FACILITY, YOU GOT TO TAKE CARE OF IT. AND HAVING THOSE SPACES FOR THE SYNC AND THE EQUIPMENT AND HAVING COMMERCIAL EQUIPMENT, RIGHT. SO WE WOULDN'T GO TO, YOU KNOW, WELLS FARGO BANK AND CLEAN WITH FABULOSO, WE'D HAVE A COMMERCIAL TYPE OF CLEANER THAT HAS A DISINFECTANT, RIGHT? JUST THE TYPE OF MATERIALS THAT WE WOULD EVEN USE THE ADA COMPLIANCE. I KNOW MANY OF YOU WEREN'T ABLE TO ATTEND THE TOURS AND THAT'S OKAY. WE RECOGNIZE YOU HAVE A LIFE OUTSIDE OF US AND COMMITMENTS, BUT WE BROUGHT THIS TOGETHER. IT'S A VERY BRIEF SUMMARY. WE HAVE A TON OF PHOTOS. SO AS PART OF WHAT MISS GOODEN WAS TALKING ABOUT, THE PLACE WHERE WE PLAN TO UPLOAD, WE'LL PUT THESE EXHIBITS FOR YOU AND THEN SOME OF THOSE PHOTOS AS WELL. THEY'LL BE LABELED BY THE SITE AND YOU'RE WELCOME TO, YOU KNOW, ASK THOSE QUESTIONS OR REACH BACK IF THERE ARE ANY CONCERNS REGARDING THAT. SO I'M NOT GOING TO READ THROUGH IT SPECIFICALLY, BUT YOU ALL COULD PROBABLY POINT OUT AND MAKE A FEW CORRELATIONS IN TERMS OF THE BUILD TYPE AND THE DEPARTMENTS THAT WERE REQUIRED. THERE. SO I KNOW WE'RE, WE'RE DEEP INTO DISCUSSIONS ABOUT FUNDING THIS THROUGH BONDS, BUT I NOTICED MULTIPLE OF THESE OTHER FACILITIES WERE FUNDED THROUGH, AT LEAST IN PART THROUGH SALES TAX INCREASES. SO I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE CAN SPEAK TO THAT. AND WAS THAT AN OPTION THAT WE CONSIDERED AT ANY POINT OR DISCUSSED? I REMEMBER DISCUSSING? AND I'D LIKE TO TAG ON, AND I'D LIKE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THE CRIME CONTROL DISTRICTS. RIGHT. THERE ARE SOME THERE ARE SOME CITIES THAT USE CRIME CONTROL DISTRICT FUNDS. THERE'S ALSO SOME CITIES LIKE ROYSE CITY, FOR EXAMPLE, USE CEO'S. BUT BECAUSE THEIR PROPERTY TAX RATE IS THEIR TOP FAST GROWING SO FAST, IT DIDN'T IMPACT THEIR DEBT RATE, MEANING CITIZENS REALLY DIDN'T SEE A HIT TO THEIR TAX RATE. SO THEY COULD MAKE THAT HAPPEN. OUR SITUATION IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT. OBVIOUSLY, I DON'T THINK YOU GUYS WANT TO ISSUE $35 MILLION IN CEO'S. IF THERE'S A TAX DEGREE, I THINK YOU PROBABLY WANT TO LET THE VOTERS DECIDE THAT ONE. BUT YEAH, YOU CAN DO CRIME CONTROL DISTRICT. IT'S SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, CREATION STANDPOINT. WE ALREADY HAVE A HALF CENT DEDICATED TO DUNCANVILLE COMMUNITY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GRANT CORPORATION. AND REALISTICALLY SPEAKING, YOUR OTHER YOUR OTHER HALF THE SIN IS REALLY TECHNICALLY SALES TAX RELIEF, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. REALISTICALLY, YEAH, YOU COULD DO THE OTHER HALF SINCE CRIME CONTROL DISTRICT, BUT IT WOULD REALLY EAT INTO THE GENERAL FUND OTHERWISE AND HAVE AN IMPACT REALLY REALISTICALLY, JUST CONCEPTUALLY SPEAKING. AND

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IT WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE VOTERS TO APPROVE THE CREATION OF THE CRIME CONTROL DISTRICT AND WHATEVER CAPACITY THAT WOULD BE. SOME SOME PEOPLE CALL IT CRIME CONTROL DISTRICT. IT'S GOT SEVERAL DIFFERENT NAMES, BUT THE TEXTBOOK TERM IS CRIME CONTROL DISTRICT, PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT. THAT'S A THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT. THAT'S LIKE A TAX OVERLAY. AND USUALLY IT'S TO DO ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS TO THE AREA. THERE IS A WAY YOU CAN POTENTIALLY DO WITH PUBLIC SAFETY. IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT, BUT IT'S STILL LIKE A SPECIFIC AREA. I KNOW THIS THIS ISN'T WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. BUT LOOKING AT THAT OPTION, AT SOME POINT, IT MIGHT BE OF SOME VALUE TO US TO AT LEAST HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. BECAUSE AGAIN, TALKING ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WHICH POLICE DEPARTMENT. ROANOKE, ROANOKE, AND AS WELL AS. SALES TAX EXTENSION, YOU KNOW, I KNOW AGAIN, WE'RE NOT I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WE CAN TALK ABOUT THERE, BUT I KNOW YOU ALWAYS HAVE A HEALTHY FUND BALANCE. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF THAT CAN BE IT. MAYBE NOT NECESSARILY A HALF CENT, BUT EVEN A PORTION OF THAT COULD BE REDIRECTED TOWARD THIS PROJECT. SO IT'S WORTH HAVING THAT DISCUSSION. I THINK IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. AND I JUST BRING UP WHEN WE DID, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT THE AT THE THE WORK SESSION BACK IN DECEMBER ABOUT WAYS TO FUND OTHER PROJECTS. AND YOU KNOW, JASON FROM HUGHES FROM HILLTOP MENTIONED THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, THE FIELDHOUSE, WHEN WE, WHEN WE BOUGHT THE FIELDHOUSE, WE ISSUED CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION. AND THEN WE DID AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE CDC. AND THEY ACTUALLY, THE CORPORATION ACTUALLY FINANCED THE DEBT. AND AS WE SAID, TECHNICALLY SPEAKING, BY, BY, BY THE WAY, THE LAW SET UP FOR FOR BEES, YOU COULD DO THE SAME FOR POLICE AND YOU COULD DO THE SAME FOR PARKS PROJECTS. YOU COULD REALISTICALLY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD ISSUE A $35 MILLION AGAINST IT. YOU'D HAVE TO. I DON'T KNOW IF IT HAS THAT KIND OF CAPACITY, BUT YOU COULD FEASIBLY, IF WANTED, YOU COULD ISSUE CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION FOR A PORTION OF A PROJECT OR A PROJECT AND THEN HAVE THE, THE CORPORATION PAY THAT BACK THROUGH IT IN A LOCAL AGREEMENT. AND THEN THE DEBT SERVICE THROUGH THE THROUGH THE CORPORATION AND NOT THE PROPERTY TAXPAYER. SO IT IS SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK INTO AS WELL IN FURTHER DETAIL, BUT THAT IS TECHNICALLY AN OPTION.

I MEAN, IF WE GOT JUST $10 MILLION OUT OF THAT OPTION, THAT IT WOULD AT LEAST REDUCE THE TAX BURDEN AT LEAST A LITTLE BIT, RIGHT, CITIZENS. SO IT'S WORTH LOOKING AT IT. CAN I PIGGYBACK OFF OF WHAT YOU SAID? SO THE FUND BALANCE, I KNOW I THINK IT'S 60 DAYS REQUIRED AND WE'RE AT 150 DAYS AND A LITTLE BIT MORE, I GUESS. RICHARD, YOU WANT TO GIVE THE SPECIFICS ON THAT SPECIFICALLY. SO SPECIFICALLY FOR THE GENERAL FUND WAS GOOD FOR THE FUND BALANCE. OKAY. SO YEAH, SO PER, PER PER OUR POLICY. AND AGAIN, AS MR. ABERNATHY STATED, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO BRIEF COMING UP ON. SEVEN OUR POLICY STATES THAT AS A GOAL, WE HAVE A MINIMUM OF 90 DAYS AND A MAXIMUM OF 150 DAYS SO THAT, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T HAVE THE APPEARANCE THAT WE'RE JUST CONTINUING TO JUST GROW THE FUND BALANCE. SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE OVER AND ABOVE OUR 150 DAY CAP BY A LITTLE MORE THAN $4 MILLION. AND SO WITH THAT, WE WANTED TO COME FORWARD WITH SOME SUGGESTIONS, NOT ONLY FROM A PROJECT PERSPECTIVE IN TERMS OF WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATIONS WERE FOR SOME OF THAT AMOUNT, MISS GOOD AND COUNCIL AS WELL, BUT ALSO IN TERMS OF MOVING FORWARD, WE WANTED TO HAVE A RECOMMENDATION FOR HOW WE ACCOUNT FOR THAT AS WE FINISH AND COMPLETE OUR AUDIT, BECAUSE A LOT OF THAT IS BASED IN TERMS OF THAT CALCULATION ON WHAT THE AUDITED FUND BALANCE IS, THAT WE FIND OUT ONCE THE AQUIFER IS COMPLETED, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. YES, IT MAKES SENSE. AND THANK YOU FOR THAT. WHAT I'M THINKING

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THEY'RE MAKING DECISIONS. THEY'VE ALREADY MADE A DECISION. YEAH. BECAUSE ON JUNE 30TH AGAIN, IT'S THE FIFTH TUESDAY RIGHT BEFORE THE DEADLINE. PRELIMINARY BUDGET. YOU MIGHT HAVE TO LOOK AT A TOWN HALL. GO AHEAD. SO ARE WE HEARING THAT IT'S TOO SOON. BUT AROUND THAT TIME FRAME, YOU'D LIKE TO SEE MAYBE A TOWN HALL TO INTRODUCE SOME GENERAL INFORMATION? OR

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I IN ADDITION, I THINK WHEN WE HAVE THAT MEETING, I THINK THE PRESENTATION THAT WE PROVIDED THERE WOULD BE SUFFICIENT WITH THE PD BECAUSE IT DOES COVER EVERYTHING, NOT GRANULAR, BUT IT GETS KIND OF THE NUTS AND BOLTS OUT THERE. AND WHETHER OR NOT MR. BERGER CAN CAN MAKE IT TO. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE OWNER REPRESENTATIVE, REPRESENTATIVE THERE, CHIEF. WE ALSO HAVE AN OPEN HOUSE ON THE 28TH. NO. SO WE PUSHED THAT TO OCTOBER. IT'S OUR BOOTH WITH THE BLUE. WE HAD ABOUT 2000 PEOPLE SHOW UP FOR THAT LAST YEAR, AND WE WANT TO KIND OF COMBINE THOSE. SO THE ONLY OTHER THING YOU'LL HAVE IN THERE IS THE FAQ, WHICH IS QUITE A FEW PAGES. DEFINITELY UPLOADED TO THE SHARED SPACE. AND THEN I WILL ALSO INCLUDE THE SOME OF THE DETAILS AROUND THE SCOPE THAT WE DISCUSSED AROUND THE ANCILLARY PROJECT.

BUT BEFORE WE TRANSITION OR, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO GIVE TIME. IF YOU ALL WANT TO TALK ABOUT ANYTHING IN THE FAQS, IF THERE'S SOMETHING. AND THIS WAS CREATED SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS, THIS FORUM, FOR THIS GROUP, FOR YOU ALL, IF THERE ARE OTHER QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE, YOU MAY NOT HAVE THEM TODAY, BUT JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT SAYING LIKE, THIS IS THE DON'T ASK US ANY MORE QUESTIONS, BUT WE WANTED TO CATCH YOU UP TO WHERE WE ARE, AND THEN WE'LL BUILD UPON THIS SO THAT WE, WE SAY WE KEEP THIS AS A LIVE DOCUMENT. WE WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THIS. THE FAQ FOR US. YEAH. WE HAVE NO EXCUSE FOR NOT BEING INFORMED. SO THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU. SO THE THE ONLY THING THAT YOU ALL DON'T HAVE THERE IT IS A NUMBER OF PAGES AS WELL IS SOME OF THE, THE KIND OF THE WRITE UP OUR CONVERSATION AROUND THE SECONDARY PROJECT WHILE DEPENDENT A DIFFERENT SCOPE.

AND IT JUST HAS THE KIND OF WHAT THE PROJECT OVERVIEW WOULD BE IN THOSE PRIMARY GOALS. SO I ALSO WANT TO GIVE YOU ALL TIME TO DIGEST THAT AND LOOK THROUGH IT AND TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES THAT REALLY LOOK LIKE FOR US? BUT JUST HIGH LEVEL, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE SCOPE WOULD BE A REMODEL OR REHABILITATION OF THE EXISTING FACILITY AT APPROXIMATELY 13,000FT■!S. SO WE WOULD CONVERT THAT AS WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PRESENTATION. AND SO THE GOAL AGAIN WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE PRIORITY, RIGHT, INITIALLY WOULD BE COURTS MAKING SURE THAT THERE IS SPACE FOR THEM AND THAT WE CAN MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS. THE ADA SECURITY, ADA COMPLIANT COURT FACILITY WITH SEPARATE PUBLIC AND STAFF CIRCULATION. SO WE WANT TO SEPARATE THOSE DEPARTMENTS, CREATE AN EFFICIENT WORK WORKSPACE FOR THOSE OTHER DEPARTMENTS HR, I.T. FINANCE, WHICH ALSO WOULD INCLUDE PROCUREMENT AND THEN BE ABLE TO DELIVER TRAINING, MEETING AND BREAK ROOM AMENITIES. SO JUST THE IMPACT TO THE EMPLOYEE EXPERIENCE AND THEN ALSO PROVIDE SPACE FOR RECORDS, INFRASTRUCTURE. AND THE PARKING WOULD, WOULD BE ADDRESSED IN THE OVERALL PROJECT THAT WE ALREADY ARE TALKING ABOUT. BUT JUST MAKING SURE THAT, AGAIN, QUARTZ IS NOT FORGOTTEN, THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE A PART OF THIS CONVERSATION FROM THE ONSET. AND WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO SILENCE THEM. RIGHT? CITY MANAGER, I'M GOING TO SAY THIS, IF THERE'S A LOT OF OPTIONS OR A. MR. JACKSON HAVE STUFF, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THIS STUFF ENDS RIGHT. AND, AND FOR THE EDUCATION PIECE, IT'S GOING TO BE THE TAXPAYERS REALLY SUPPORTING THIS AND SUPPORTING IT LOOKS LIKE WHAT IT WOULD BE A TAX INCREASE. DEFINITELY BE A TAX INCREASE FOR SURE. I MEAN EITHER WAY, WHATEVER, WHATEVER OPTION, JUST THE REALITY WE'RE IN. BUT I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.

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80%, THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT I WAS TOLD IS MID 70S. THAT MAN RIGHT THERE IS THAT EXPERT.

OKAY, SO MY QUESTION IS, IS THERE A WAY TO IDENTIFY LIKE THE IMPACT ON TAX RATE VERSUS THE SUCCESS RATE? YEAH. SO WE HAVE A BETTER CHANCE AT THIS NUMBER THAN WE WOULD AT THIS NUMBER. IF WE WANT TO GET IT. I'M NOT SURE. WE DON'T WANT TO MISS THAT OPPORTUNITY. RIGHT.

YEAH. I'M NOT SURE IT'S A TRUE DATABASE ON THAT. MOST OF IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, WHAT I REMEMBER FROM PROJECT FROM PROJECT. YEAH. YOU KNOW, I WAS GOING TO ASK, YOU KNOW, IS THERE ANY THOUGHTS OF HAVING ANY RENDERINGS DONE, YOU KNOW, FOR PEOPLE, THE CITIZENS, INSTEAD OF JUST HAVING THAT COLD NUMBER IN FRONT OF THEM, YES OR NO, OR A SITE PLAN FOR, SAY, SOME EDUCATIONAL STUFF. AND AGAIN, IT'S ALWAYS A SLIPPERY SLOPE, BUT A RENDERING THAT'S LOOSEY GOOSEY ENOUGH, KNOWING THAT THAT'S NOT THE FINAL PROMISED THAT BECAUSE IT WILL CHANGE DURING DESIGN, BUT SOMETHING THAT SORT OF GIVES THAT EMOTIONAL CONNECTION OR RESPONSE, YOU KNOW, TO CITIZENS OF, YEAH, THAT'S GOING TO BE MY POLICE FACILITY THAT I'M VOTING FOR. YOU KNOW, THERE'S THAT OPPORTUNITY WITH THE THREE STORY POLICE AT PLAZA CONNECTION, THEN WITH CITY HALL OF JUST SORT OF THAT IMAGERY. I SEE THAT DONE QUITE OFTEN AS PART OF THE BOND EDUCATION PROCESS. SO DID YOU SAY THAT DATABASE EXISTS THOUGH, AS FAR AS FINDING A SUCCESS RATE? I, I DON'T THINK IT DOES NECESSARILY, BUT NOT FOR THOSE SPECIFIC NUMBERS, BUT. CORRECT. YOU'RE 70% ON AVERAGE THESE PAST AT THIS RATE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, YOU KNOW, UNTIL THE PAST 18 MONTHS, I'M NOT SURE MY ENTIRE 45 YEARS I'VE SEEN A POLICE OR FIRE BOND FAIL. AND THE LAST FEW BOND ROUNDS, IT'S BEEN PRETTY BRUTAL. I CONTRIBUTE A COUPLE OF THEM THAT I THINK THERE WASN'T ENOUGH WORK DONE BY SOME COMMITTEES OR BY SAY, YOU KNOW, LIKE EDISON IMMEDIATELY FORMED A BOND ELECTION COMMITTEE, IMMEDIATELY

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WE CAN TALK TO THEM AND SEE. BUT WE WE HAD TO CUT THAT SO MUCH. I JUST DON'T KNOW. YOUR FACE IS STILL GOING TO BE THE SAME FACE. YEAH. I MEAN, IT COULD BE LOOSEY GOOSEY ENOUGH TO THE PUBLIC. THEY WOULD NOT KNOW. YEAH. THAT REPRESENTS 35,000FT■!S. RIGHT. AND I'D LOVE TO SEE IT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO CONCEPTUALIZE UNTIL YOU, YOU SEE IT. AND I THINK YOU GUYS SAW IT WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU TOOK THOSE TOURS INTO YOUR SAME POINT.

TODAY'S THE FIRST DAY I'VE SEEN A RENDERING FOR THE SERVICE. THERE YOU GO. HADN'T SEEN THAT BEFORE. AND IT'S LIKE, OKAY, SO SOMEBODY'S THINKING SOMEBODY'S SURE. YEAH. WE CAN. PART OF THE REASON WHY WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HAD AN AVENUE TO DROP THINGS SO THAT ALONG THE WAY.

BUT I WANTED TO GO BACK TO YOUR QUESTION, MR. PENNYBAKER, AND I CAN DROP THIS DATA INTO THAT SAME SITE I WAS JUST SHARING WITH CHIEF. SO THE STATE DOES HAVE A SITE, LOCAL BONDED ELECTION RESULTS, AND I'M A LITTLE BIT OF A EXCEL PIVOT JUNKIE, SO I CAN SORT THAT DATA BY WHAT TYPE OF PROJECT IT WAS, THE DOLLAR AMOUNT, WHETHER IT CARRIED OR IF IT WAS TO FEED IT AND PUT TOGETHER SOME TABLES FOR YOU. AND YOU COULD PROBABLY MAKE SOME PRESUMPTIONS. I'M NOT GOING TO SAY TO DAN'S POINT, THERE ISN'T A SPECIFIC SITE THAT TELLS US THAT, BUT YOU COULD LOOK AT THAT PUBLIC DATA. OKAY. THANKS TO THE SHARED FOLDER. YES, MA'AM. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RENDERINGS, AND I APPRECIATE YOU SAYING THAT ABOUT BE DIFFICULT TO PRODUCE ANY KIND OF RENDERING RIGHT NOW, GIVEN THE OPTIONS THAT WE'VE SEEN THROUGH VAST DIFFERENCE IN WHAT FEATURES THAT FACILITY MIGHT HAVE. RIGHT. AND THIS IS KIND OF JUST A COMMENT, BUT WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE EXCLUSIONS, A LOT OF IT HAD TO DO WITH STORAGE. A LOT OF IT HAD TO DO WITH SPACE. THE INFORMATION CENTER AT $35 MILLION LEVEL. WHEN WE DID THE FACILITY NEEDS ASSESSMENT. THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE'LL RECOGNIZE. THIS IS WHY WE'RE BUILDING A NEW FACILITY. IT'S NOT JUST BECAUSE WE NEED MORE, A BIGGER BUILDING, BUT THERE ARE SOME FACILITIES. THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT GO INTO THAT BUILDING THAT WE NEED, THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THESE COSTS. AND I'M I'LL JUST SPEAK SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, NOT FOR THE WHOLE COUNCIL. BUT WE CANNOT PUT SOMETHING BEFORE THE VOTERS IN GOOD CONSCIENCE THAT WE KNOW DOES NOT MEET THE ALREADY EXPRESSED NEEDS. RIGHT. AND SO THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE SAW BEFORE WE SAW ANY OF THE NUMBERS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT THERE WERE SOME THINGS THAT WE SAW THAT THIS IS WHAT THE DEPARTMENT NEEDS AND THAT THAT SHOULD BE WHAT WHATEVER WE DECIDE TO PUT BEFORE THE VOTERS, THAT SHOULD BE WHAT IT'S BASED ON, BECAUSE WHAT WE SAW IN THE $35 MILLION LEVEL, WE CAN'T EVEN MAKE RENDERINGS THAT SHOW WHAT THAT FACILITY IS GOING TO HAVE, BECAUSE IT MAY OR MAY NOT INCLUDE SOME OF THOSE THINGS. SOME OF THOSE THINGS ARE WHAT THE DEPARTMENT NEEDS. SO I'M JUST JUST A WORD OF CAUTION ABOUT THAT ASSUMPTION IS THAT IT WAS MENTIONED THAT. WE HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO DESIGN TO ADD ON IN THAT AREA. YOU POINTED OUT ON ONE OF THE SLIDES THAT WE HAD UP HERE, SO THAT IF IT REALLY CAME DOWN TO IT AND WE FELT THAT THERE WAS A NEED TO NOT INCLUDE EVERYTHING IN THE IN THE FIRST RUN AT THIS, FOR WHATEVER REASON THAT MAY BE. AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING RIGHT NOW, BUT WE HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO BE ABLE TO BUILD ON. IS THAT CORRECT? YOU DO. BUT, YOU KNOW, USUALLY THAT FUTURE GROWTH STRATEGY MEANS AT LEAST ON DAY ONE, YOU ARE GIVING THEM PRETTY MUCH WHAT THEY NEEDED AT THAT SNAPSHOT TO IMMEDIATELY BE CUTTING IT BACK AND SAY, THAT'S THE PLAN IN FIVE YEARS. AND JUST THAT SITE IN THE SECURE PARKING, THAT DISRUPTION TO BRING CRANES AND CONSTRUCTION CREWS IN TO DO THAT THREE, FOUR, FIVE YEARS LATER. AND THEN I WOULD ALSO QUESTION WHAT HAPPENS IN THOSE THREE, 4 OR 5 YEARS WHEN ALL THOSE INDIVIDUAL

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SO YES, BASED ON THAT PREMISE, YES, THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT CAN HAPPEN BECAUSE THAT MAY BE MORE LIKE EIGHT, TEN YEARS DOWN THE ROAD THAT'S NEATLY TUCKED IN THERE. THERE'LL BE SOME DISRUPTION AND PAIN FOR, YOU KNOW, 18, 20 MONTHS. EXCUSE ME. I JUST HAVE ONE HOUSEKEEPING ITEM. WE WILL POST THIS BECAUSE WE OBVIOUSLY ARE WORKING ON THIS TO THE TO THE VERY END, WE WILL POST THIS ONLINE WITH THE AGENDA. I TALKED TO NIKITA AND WE'LL GET SOME OF THAT SUPPORT DOCUMENTATION. IT'LL BE ONLINE UNDER THE AGENDA FOR FOR THE PUBLIC. SO JUST ONE OF JUST THAT HOUSEKEEPING NOTE. SO THIS IS MY SPACE DOT IS REFERRING TO HERE. EXCUSE ME CHIEF. YES.

RIGHT HERE. COVERED AREA UNDER THAT DESIGN EXPANDABLE TO SOMETHING. YES. AND THEN IT BECOMES MUCH MORE COST EFFICIENT. IT BECOMES MORE INFILL LATER DOWN THE ROAD VERSUS A WHOLE NEW SUPERSTRUCTURE. AND FOUNDATIONS. OKAY. GOT ANYTHING ELSE? YOUR WORKSHOP? YEAH. THANK YOU, THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY, SO WITH THAT, IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS OR INPUT, DO I COMPLETE. YES, SIR. I'VE HAD ENOUGH. FOR A BREAK. OKAY. SO THAT WOULD BE THE END OF OUR BUSINESS FOR THIS AGENDA. AND WITH THAT, WE WILL ADJOURN AT 4:31 P.M.

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