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          AHEAD AND OPEN OUR MEETING FOR TUESDAY, MARCH 3RD, 2026. AND WITH THAT, WE'RE GOING TO GET RIGHT INTO OUR WORK SESSION. AND AGENDA ITEM ONE IS DISCUSS AGENDA ITEMS. YES. GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL GOING THROUGH THE AGENDA FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA. ITEM SEVEN A IS JUST CONSIDERING THE MINUTES FOR THE FEBRUARY 17TH, 2026 CITY COUNCIL MEETING. THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE MINUTES CHIQUITA TAYLOR IS AVAILABLE? WE NEED TO MAKE ANY AMENDMENTS OR EDITS. OKAY. MOVING ON. ITEM SEVEN B IS TO CONSIDER RESOLUTION CANCELING THE MAY 2ND, 2026 GENERAL   & ELECTION. AS YOU RECALL, THERE WASN'T ANY CONTESTED RACES, SO THIS WOULD BE THE NEXT STEP IN THE PROCESS. JUST ONE NOTE. AFTER TONIGHT, WE WILL PUT NOTICES OUT TO THE PUBLIC. DOES KNOW THE ELECTION WAS CANCELED. IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM SEVEN. C IS CONSIDER RESOLUTION FOR APPOINTMENT TO FILL A VACANCY ON THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS FOR THE DUNCANVILLE BEAUTIFUL BOARD. IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, TAYLOR IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER THAT AS WELL. ITEM SEVEN D IS A RESOLUTION TO APPROVE A HOT FUND AWARD TO THE HILTON GARDEN INN. JUST THIS IS REALLY KIND OF A HOUSEKEEPING ITEM. THIS WAS DONE UNDER A PREVIOUS PROCESS AND THE PREVIOUS FISCAL YEAR FOR HOT FUND GRANT APPLICATIONS. THEY DID SUBMIT THEIR APPLICATION, BUT IT NEVER DID MAKE IT TO CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL. THEY WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS AND THE WORK THEY DID. AND JUST TO HONOR THAT COMMITMENT AND TO STAY COMPLIANT WITH HOT FUNDS, WE ARE BRINGING THIS FORWARD FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND ANGEL DEALS HERE. ALSO, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THAT APPLICATION. OKAY. ITEM SEVEN D IS CONSIDERED RESOLUTION AWARDING A BID AND AUTHORIZING A COOPERATIVE PURCHASE AGREEMENT WITH RUSH TRUCK CENTERS OF L.P. TO PURCHASE TWO DUMP TRUCKS TO THE BY BOARD CONTRACT SEVEN 2323 AND THE EXPENDITURE AMOUNT OF $205,879.16. THIS WAS A BUDGETED ITEM FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR, AND MATT BRYANT PUBLIC WORKS IS AVAILABLE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THAT ITEM. OKAY. ITEM SEVEN IS CONSIDER RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE ASH GROVE CEMENT PLANT ACCESS AGREEMENT TO UTILIZE THE FACILITIES FOR THE PURPOSE OF ROPES RELATED FIRE RESCUE TRAINING. THIS FACILITY DOWN IN MIDLOTHIAN IS A PLACE WHERE OUR FIRE TEAM DOES DO TRAINING ON ROPES AND CLIMBING THOSE TOWERS, BUT WE NEED TO HAVE THIS AGREEMENT IN PLACE SO THEY CAN ACTUALLY PARTICIPATE IN THAT TRAINING. SO THIS WOULD AUTHORIZE THAT PARTICIPATION. 
          AND ITEM SEVEN G IS CONSIDER A RESOLUTION TO ISSUE A NOTICE OF INTENT TO ISSUE CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION BONDS. THIS IS A FOLLOW UP TO THE ARMY. THIS WOULD ACTUALLY START THAT PROCESS TO ISSUE THOSE BONDS. IF APPROVED TONIGHT WE WOULD COME BACK ON THE MAY 3RD, MAY 5TH AGENDA FOR THE APPROVAL OF THOSE BONDS. AND BOTH RICHARD JACKSON AND JASON HUGHES FROM HILLTOP SECURITY. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? ITEM SEVEN H IS TO CONSIDER RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE APPLICATION TO THE NORTH CENTRAL COUNCIL'S COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS AND FY 26 HOMELAND SECURITY GRANT, STATE HOMELAND SECURITY PROGRAM FOR THERMAL IMAGING EQUIPMENT THAT WILL BE USED FOR AND IN SUPPORT OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S SPECIAL OPERATION UNITS. IT'S THE AMOUNT OF $30,000. THIS IS A GRANT THAT CAME TO OUR ATTENTION HERE JUST RECENTLY, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD REALLY TAKE ADVANTAGE, ESPECIALLY WITH TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, UTILIZE OTHER REVENUE SOURCES AND RESOURCES TO TO FUND OUR OPERATIONS. AND SO REALLY, WHAT WE'RE ASKING TONIGHT IS JUST TO AUTHORIZE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO, TO SUBMIT THIS APPLICATION TO THE NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS. AND CHIEF STONE IS AVAILABLE. IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SPECIFICS OF THE GRANT. OKAY. WELL, THAT THAT CONCLUDES THE CONSENT AGENDA. THANK YOU SIR. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM. TWO. CITY COUNCIL. CITY COUNCIL CALENDAR. THANK YOU MAYOR. WE HAVE SEVERAL BOARD AND COMMISSION MEETINGS. ON THURSDAY, MARCH 5TH. WE HAVE AN AUDIT COMMITTEE AT 2:00 PM IN THE BRIEFING ROOM. ZBA HAS A MEETING AND COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT 7 P.M. DUNCANVILLE. BEAUTIFUL. AT 630 IN THE BRIEFING ROOM AND THE LIBRARY BOARD AND THE LIBRARY MEETING ROOM AT SIX. ALSO, DAYLIGHT SAVINGS TIME IS MARCH 8TH. MARCH 9TH. WE HAVE A DC EDC SPECIAL CALLED MEETING AT 6:00, AND THAT WILL BE AT 103 AT THE ANNEX. AND WE ALSO HAVE A PARK BOARD MEETING, WHICH WILL BE AT THE SENIOR CENTER AND A PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING, WHICH WILL BE IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS ON THE 10TH. WE HAVE THE ARTS AND ARTS AND CULTURAL DISTRICT STEERING COMMITTEE AND THE CPA INTERVIEWS. EVERYONE'S OKAY. IF THOSE AT 5:00, IT'S 5:00. GOOD TIME TO START THOSE, BUT WE CAN DO SIX, FIVE, SIX. THE 
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INTERVIEWS FOR GOTCHA. YES. THAT'S OKAY. 5:00 ON THE 10TH. AND WE HAVE A COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ADVISORY BOARD MEETING ON THE 12TH. AND THAT'S AT 630. CITY COUNCIL MEETING ON THE 17TH. COFFEE WITH THE MAYOR IS MOVED TO THE 19TH OF MARCH. AND THAT'LL BE AT THE SENIOR CENTER FROM 12 TO 1. ALSO, WE HAVE A BOARD MEETING AT 6:00 ON THE 19TH. THERE DCDC REGULAR MEETING IS AT 6:00 ON THE 23RD ARTS COMMISSION. ON THE 24TH, THE WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH FIRESIDE CHAT IS THE 26TH, WHICH IS WHY WE HAD TO MOVE COFFEE WITH THE MAYOR. AND THAT'LL BE AT THE SENIOR CENTER. AND THE BOND WORKSHOP IS SCHEDULED FOR THE 20, THE 30TH MARCH 31ST. THE EASTER EGG HUNT. WHAT DATE? YES. MARCH 28TH 28TH. OKAY. EASTER EGGS. AND THEN FOR THE FOR THE 31ST, THE BOND WORKSHOP. DO WE HAVE A DRAFT AGENDA PREPARED FOR THAT OR COUNCIL TO REVIEW? AND I'M ASKING BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE COUNCIL IF POSSIBLE, IF WE COULD JUST STICK TO BOND ITEM, THE BOND ITEM CONVERSATION DISCUSSION THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN FOR THE CONSIDERATION. AND AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES WHEN OTHER THINGS HAVE BEEN ADDED TO THE AGENDA. AND I THINK THAT THIS IS SOMETHING WE REALLY NEED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE TIME TO DISCUSS AND ASK THE NECESSARY QUESTIONS AND GET ANSWERS TO ANY CONCERNS THAT MAY HAPPEN. SO THAT WAY IT ALLOWS ENOUGH TIME FOR US TO HAVE THAT IN-DEPTH CONVERSATION AROUND WHATEVER MAY RELATE TO THE BOND. ABSOLUTELY. WE CAN GET YOU A DRAFT AGENDA EARLY. 
          BUT YEAH, OUR PRIMARY FOCUS WAS GOING TO BE THE BOND, THE BOND PROGRAM AND HONE IN ON THAT SUBJECT. BUT YEAH, WE CAN DEFINITELY GET SOMETHING TO YOU ALL HERE SOON. JUST A DRAFT AND I UNDERSTAND. BOND PROGRAM. POLICE DEPARTMENT. CORRECT. OKAY. YES OKAY. AND I'M CALLING TO SEE IF 2:00 IS A GOOD TIME TO START THAT WORKSHOP. OKAY. WHAT ARE WE ON? THAT'S ON MARCH THE 31ST, 2 P.M. AT 2 P.M. YES. CITY MANAGER, DO YOU KNOW ABOUT WHEN WE CAN. WE WERE GOING TO POLL ACTUALLY TODAY WE'RE GOING TO ASK YOU. WE REALLY LIKE TO START THIS AT 2 P.M. IF 2 P.M. 
          WORKS EVERYBODY, WE IDEALLY WOULD FIGURE IT THAT WAY. YOU ALL AREN'T HERE REALLY LATE NIGHT. WE CAN WE CAN GET STARTED IF THAT'S ENOUGH ADVANCE NOTICE FOR EVERYBODY. 
          ALREADY. CALENDAR I THINK WE EXPECTED TO BE APPROXIMATELY. WE'RE HOPING TO HAVE YOU ALL OUT, YOU KNOW, IN THE LATE AFTERNOON EARLY EVENING. BUT IT DEPENDS ON HOW LONG THE DISCUSSION GOES. BUT WE THOUGHT STARTING SOONER WOULD BE BETTER IN THAT WAY. WE JUST WE JUST WANT TO AVOID IF WE'RE BEING LATE NIGHT, WE JUST WANT TO AVOID THAT. SO DO YOU THINK WE COULD HAVE A DRAFT OF IT BY. IS THE SIX TOO SOON. SO THAT WAY WE CAN KIND OF SEE WHAT ARE WE EXPECTING TO DISCUSS AND HOW LONG WE NEED TO PLAN. WE ARE PUTTING A KIND OF A DRAFT PRESENTATION TOGETHER. WE'RE SUPPOSED TO REVIEW THAT ON THE NINTH. WOULD IT BE OKAY TO GET IT TO Y'ALL EARLY NEXT WEEK? YEAH. SO YEAH, AS LONG AS WE DON'T GET IT THAT DAY BECAUSE WE HAVE NO TIME TO PREPARE QUESTIONS. SURE. SO EVEN THE DAY BEFORE I THINK WOULD HELP. 
          YES. SO DO WE AGREE FOR 2:00 OR 6:00, 2:00? I SAW THREE NODS. WE GOT WE GOT FOUR. THAT'S ALL WE NEED. AND WHERE'S THAT MEETING GOING TO BE? WE WERE GOING TO HAVE IT HERE IN THE ROOM WAS OUR PLAN. AND THEN THE COUNCIL ON THE 17TH. LOOKING TO HAVE THAT START AT FIVE. YES. 
          YES. IF FIVE FEET FOR EVERYBODY. WE JUST JUST DUE TO THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE LENGTH OF THE ITEMS WE NEED TO DISCUSS, WE THOUGHT A 5 P.M. WOULD BE, WOULD BE BETTER ALLOW FOR TIME. 
          OH AND NOT GOING ON THE MARCH THE APRIL CALENDAR WE HAVE APRIL 2ND IS THE LIBRARY BOARD MEETING. APRIL 7TH AT CITY COUNCIL. APRIL 9TH IS THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ADVISORY BOARD, AND APRIL 13TH IS THE PARK BOARD AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING. 14TH IS THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. APRIL 20TH IS KEITH DUNCANVILLE BEAUTIFUL AND THE DCDC REGULAR MEETING. APRIL 21ST IS THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING. APRIL 23RD IS COFFEE WITH THE MAYOR AT NOON AT THE SENIOR CENTER, AND APRIL THE 28TH IS ARTS COMMISSION MEETING AT 630. THAT'S ALL. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO BRIEFING AND PRESENTATIONS. ITEM THREE A 
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NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY MEETINGS. FOLLOW UP ON THAT. YES, I WILL FOLLOW UP ON NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY. AND WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME? IT'S BEEN A WHILE. THEY CANCELED THEIR LAST MEETING DUE TO LACK OF QUORUM. AND WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THEIR ATTENDANCE. OKAY. OKAY, OKAY. 
          ITEM THREE BRIEFINGS AND PRESENTATIONS. ITEM A BRIEFING ON HUMAN RESOURCES INFORMATION, PAYROLL SYSTEM. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ASHLEY JACOBS. I'M THE HR DIRECTOR HERE. FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW ME, WE HAVE A QUICK UPDATE FOR YOU ON SOME THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN FINDING IN OUR HR WORLD. A LOT OF TIMES WE'RE BEHIND THE SCENES, BUT AGAIN, WANTING TO COME BEFORE YOU AND SHARE JUST A FEW UPDATES. SO WE CURRENTLY, AS YOU GUYS KNOW, HAVE TYLER. OH I'M SORRY. YEAH, I'M LOOKING AT THAT ONE TYLER ENTERPRISE ERP. THEY'VE CHANGED THE NAME A COUPLE TIMES, BUT THIS IS THE SYSTEM THAT WE USE FOR ALL OF OUR HR FUNCTIONS AS WELL AS PAYROLL. CURRENTLY WE DO A LOT OF MANUAL PROCESSES. 
          WE'VE NOTICED OVER MY TENURE AT LEAST THAT WE'RE LOSING A LOT OF STAFF HOURS. WE'RE RUNNING INTO SOME STRUGGLES WHEN AUDITS ARE PRESENTED, AND WE HAVE SOME DELAYED REPORTING FOR LIKE IRS AND CHILD SUPPORT, GARNISHMENTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. AND SO OUR CHALLENGE, LIKE I HAVE LISTED HERE ARE THE MANUAL WORKAROUNDS A LOT OF RISK EXPOSURE DELAYED REPORTING. 
          WE'RE LITERALLY RUNNING PAYROLL AND THEN PICKING UP THE PHONE CALLING THE IRS. WE'RE MANUALLY KEYING INFORMATION THAT COMES THROUGH OUR SYSTEM FROM APPLICANTS INTO THE MUNIS SYSTEM. IT DOESN'T AUTOMATICALLY TRANSFER OVER. AND THEN, OF COURSE, WE DON'T HAVE AN EMPLOYEE EXPERIENCE THAT'S VERY POSITIVE. RIGHT NOW. WE DON'T HAVE AN APP, A MOBILE APP. WE DON'T HAVE A WAY FOR THE EMPLOYEES TO EASILY LOG IN. I MEAN, JUST TODAY WE'VE HAD SEVERAL CALLS ABOUT GETTING LOGGED INTO THE SYSTEM, PEOPLE FORGETTING PASSWORDS, HAVING TO MANUALLY RESET THE PASSWORD SO EMPLOYEES CAN LOG IN AND CHANGE DIFFERENT INFORMATION. THEY ALSO EMPLOYEES DO NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOG IN AND CHANGE DIRECT DEPOSITS. SO WE HAVE TO HAVE A PHYSICAL DIRECT DEPOSIT FORM. WE HAVE A PHYSICAL ADDRESS CHANGE FORM. 
          WE HAVE A PHYSICAL STATUS CHANGE FORM. SO ANYTIME SOMEONE PROMOTES GETS TERMINATED NONE OF THE SYSTEM DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY DO THAT. SO WE'RE MANUALLY GOING INTO THE SYSTEM TO MAKE THOSE UPDATES, WHICH OBVIOUSLY CAUSES SOME ERRORS ON OUR PART, WHETHER IT BE A SALARY ERROR OR A SITUATION WHERE SOMEONE DOESN'T HAVE THEIR STATUS CHANGE EFFECTIVE ON THE START OF A PAY PERIOD AS WE EXPECTED, EXPECT IT TO BE. AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE NOTICING. SO OUR PLAN OR WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS TO DO AN RFP, GO OUT TO BID AND SEE IF WE CAN FIND A SYSTEM THAT'S MORE AUTOMATED, A SYSTEM THAT, OF COURSE, LIMITS THE MANUAL WORK AROUNDS, HAS SOME BUILT IN COMPLIANCE FEATURES FOR US, ALLOWS US TO DO THE HR FUNCTIONS INCLUSIVE OF PAYROLL AS WELL. IT'LL GIVE US SOME REAL TIME REPORTING, HOPEFULLY, AND THEN MORE OF A MODERN EMPLOYEE EXPERIENCE. LIKE I SAID, HAVING AN APP AVAILABLE, ALLOWING MANAGERS TO GO IN AND CHECK TIME. A LOT OF OUR SYSTEMS ARE SEPARATE, SO WE DON'T HAVE ONE COHESIVE SYSTEM. WE HAVE A SYSTEM FOR OUR BENEFITS, A SYSTEM FOR OUR TIMEKEEPING, A SYSTEM FOR HR AND PAYROLL. SO HOPEFULLY GOING OUT TO BID WILL ALLOW US TO GET ONE COHESIVE, AUTOMATED EXPERIENCE FOR EVERYBODY. WE DO HAVE SOME POTENTIAL COST SAVINGS. SO ENTERPRISE ERP, WHICH IS TYLER MUNIS AS WELL AS EXECUTIVE TIME, THAT'S THE TIME FEATURE, COST US ABOUT $18,500. WE HAVE TIMEKEEPING SOFTWARE IN BOTH PD AND AT THE REC CENTER. 
          THAT'S ABOUT $4,400. AND THEN BENEFIT CONNECTOR IS FOR OUR BENEFIT SPECIFICALLY. AND THEN WE ALSO PAY TO DO 1095 PROCESSING AND W-2 PROCESSING. THAT HELPS US, BUT WE'RE STILL MANUALLY DOING THOSE INTERNALLY, LIKE WE RAN W-2S, WHICH WE'RE NOT TAX PROFESSIONALS, SO I'D PREFER SOME HELP THERE. AND THEN 1095 AS WELL. WE PAY ABOUT $15,000 FOR THOSE. SO THAT COULD BE POTENTIAL COST SAVINGS. IF WE FIND A SYSTEM THAT COHESIVELY DOES ALL OF THAT FOR US OR HELPS US WITH THAT. OUR PLAN IS TO, OF COURSE, PROVIDE BRIEFING TO YOU ALL AND THEN POST AN RFP TO COLLECT BIDS, SEE KIND OF WHAT WE'RE WORKING WITH. WE WOULD CONDUCT A 
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PRE-BID MEETING EARLY MARCH. I THINK WE WERE THINKING NEXT WEEK, LATER, MID TO LATE MARCH, WE WOULD HAVE A DEADLINE FOR VENDORS TO SUBMIT ANY PROPOSALS TO US AND THEN MEET INTERNALLY TO GO OVER THE SCORING AND SEE WHAT THE PRICING LOOKS LIKE, POTENTIALLY AWARD A VENDOR AND THEN BY MID-APRIL TO EARLY MAY, PRESENT BACK TO YOU ALL WITH AN UPDATE. AS FAR AS ANY HR ASSISTANCE THAT WE DO DEEM WOULD BE HELPFUL TO US, I AM OPEN FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS HAVE. OKAY, I'M GOING TO START. YOU SAID SOMETHING AT THE FRONT END AND I KNOW THIS WASN'T YOUR INTENTION, BUT IT SOUNDED TO ME A LITTLE BIT LIKE THIS WAS BASED ON ERRORS THAT HAD BEEN MADE IN MANUAL SYSTEMS. AND I'M ALL ABOUT UPDATING AND USING NEW TECHNOLOGY, BUT. I KIND OF GOT MY ATTENTION BECAUSE IF YOU CAN MAKE MISTAKES ON PAPER, YOU CAN SURELY MAKE THEM DOING ENTRIES INTO A SYSTEM LIKE THIS. SO I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. AND ALSO PRIOR DEPARTMENTS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO FUNCTION WITHOUT THIS ADDITIONAL COST. AND THE ONLY REASON I'M BRINGING THIS UP IS, IS WE ARE REALLY IN A COST SAVING MODE. WE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A TOUGH BUDGET THIS YEAR. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER WE'RE SPENDING OUR MONEY ON, NO MATTER HOW LOW IT IS. AND THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS IT JUST SEEMS TO BE A NATURAL THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO CONSIDER SOMETHING, THAT IT WOULD BE MUNIS, BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY IN THE SYSTEM. WE PAID A LOT OF MONEY FOR THAT, AND WE SEEM TO BE GOING OUTSIDE OF MUNIS A LOT OF TIMES JUST BY SAYING IT DOESN'T WORK FOR US. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT MUNIS WORKS FOR A LOT OF CITIES FOR PAYROLL AND HR, SO I'M NOT SURE WHY WE HAVE TO GO OUT FOR THE RFQ. BUT HAVING SAID THAT, IT'S MY OPINION THAT THESE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T WORK WITH THIS EVERY DAY, I DON'T WORK WITH IT. I WORK FOR THE CITY, AND I DON'T KNOW ANY MORE ABOUT PAYROLL THAN YOU ALL KNOW EXCEPT KAREN. KAREN KNOWS ABOUT PAYROLL. SHE WRITES CHECKS, BUT THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WHEN I TALKED ABOUT LAST MEETING, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT WORKSHOPPING SO WE CAN COME IN HERE AND SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT THIS IN GREATER DEPTH SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT SHE'S BRINGING UP TO US AND WEIGH THAT AGAINST WHETHER WE INCUR THE COST. WE LOOK AT WHAT THE MODULE OR UNITS WOULD BE IF THAT WAS THE ANSWER. BUT WE CAN HAVE A MORE IN-DEPTH DISCUSSION BECAUSE THIS IS A, YOU KNOW, AND I APPRECIATE YOU GOT A VERY SHORT PRESENTATION AND I LOVE THAT. BUT THERE'S SO MUCH MORE INFORMATION THAN SOMETHING LIKE THIS. AND AS WE'RE COUNTING OUR PENNIES, I THINK IT BETTER FOR US TO KNOW IN MORE DETAIL WHAT WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT, AND LOOK AT ALL THE ASPECTS THAT SHE OUTLINED AND WEIGH THEM AGAINST OTHER OPTIONS OR, OR SUPPORTING THIS, THIS REQUEST. BUT I CERTAINLY DON'T EVEN EVEN WITH THE PRESENTATION TODAY NOT MEANING TO BE A VOTE, I'D WANT TO WORKSHOP THIS BEFORE WE GET TO THE VOTING POINT. SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW COUNCIL'S IDEAS ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU. WHEN I LOOK AROUND, MAYBE JOE'S BEEN HERE, BUT. BUT I SIT THERE AND THINK WHEN THEY BROUGHT IN TYLER, IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'D KIND OF MENTIONED. WE WERE GETTING KIND OF LIKE THE DELUXE MODEL, EVEN TO THE POINT WHERE THEY WERE SAYING, A CITY LIKE US MAYBE DOESN'T NEED THAT. 
          OKAY. HOWEVER, WE'RE STILL COMING WITH THE, THE, THE HIGH END OF SOMETHING. AND SO, LIKE, I'M SITTING THERE TRYING TO THINK IF WE MISSING A MODULE OR IS THERE OR IS THERE WHAT? BUT BUT ALSO SOMETHING THAT THE MAYOR SAID TOO, BECAUSE LIKE THINGS HAVE BEEN WORKING AND SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE. YOU KNOW, WHAT'S NOT WORKING. AND I APPRECIATE THE REFERENCE TO, YOU KNOW, HAVING NEW PEOPLE ON BOARD AND HAVING A TURNOVER THAT HAS BEEN A PROBLEM IN ALMOST EVERY DEPARTMENT. IT'S KIND OF STABILIZED A LITTLE BIT IN THE LAST YEAR OR SO. WE'VE SEEN PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, STAYING NOW WHERE WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT MASSIVE TURNOVER. SO THAT ALWAYS, I THINK CONTRIBUTES TO PROBLEMS WITH UNDERSTANDING OUR SYSTEM AND USING THAT TO GET THE THE APPROPRIATE RESULTS FROM USING THAT. BUT I GO BACK TO MUNIS. I THINK IF WE'VE GOT MUNIS, THAT SHOULD BE OUR FIRST CHOICES TO LOOK AT THAT. AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD TAKE GETTING ANOTHER MODULE, I WOULD THINK BECAUSE WE GOT WE GET PACKAGED THAT THAT'S PART OF IT. 
          SO BUT THOSE ARE THE THINGS I'D WANT TO TALK ABOUT IN A WORKSHOP SETTING. YES. SO, MISS 
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JACOBS, HAVE YOU ACTUALLY LOOKED AT OKAY. WE DID. SO WE THAT WAS OUR FIRST STOP. WE CHECKED WITH MUNIS. WE DID A COMPREHENSIVE STUDY OF THE FULL HR FUNCTION OF WHEN I THINK HER NAME WAS TIA. SHE CAME BACK, SHE GAVE US A FULL STUDY. YOU KNOW, HERE ARE ALL THE MODULES THAT YOU HAVE. HERE ARE THE MODULES THAT WILL MAKE IT MORE AUTOMATED. HERE ARE SOME QUICK FIXES THAT WE CAN MAKE. WE HAD A COUPLE DOLLARS FROM COST SAVINGS THAT CLAYTON HELPED US KIND OF NAVIGATE THROUGH. SO WE WERE ABLE TO GET SOME QUICK FIXES. IF WE WERE TO IMPLEMENT ALL OF THE MODULES THAT SHE RECOMMENDED TO MAKE THE SYSTEM MORE AUTOMATED, IT WOULD STILL BE ABOUT $85,000 OR SO. SO, YOU KNOW, I'D HAVE TO GO BACK TO HER TO SEE IF THAT'S A ONE TIME COST, IF IT COSTS THE 85 TO MAINTAIN IT OVER THE YEARS. BUT I THINK WHAT WHAT I UNDERSTOOD WAS HAPPENING WAS THAT WE WERE UPDATING THE MODULES THAT WERE BEING USED, BUT NOT ACQUIRING THE NEW MODULES THAT HELP THINGS CONTINUE ALONG AND BECOME MORE AUTOMATED AS WE GREW. SO NO FAULT TO ANYONE. I THINK THE WAY THAT IT WAS WORKING WAS IT WORKS. IT DOES WORK. IT JUST TAKES A LOT OF MANPOWER BEHIND THE SCENES TO TO TO KEEP THE BALL ROLLING. 
          YES. GO AHEAD, GO AHEAD. SO HAVE I. I'M ASKING THIS QUESTION BECAUSE THAT'S YOUR AVAILABLE BUDGET IN A PURCHASE AMOUNT IN A AFTER INCUMBENT IN A. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA OF WHAT ANY ESTIMATES OF WHAT WE COULD BE LOOKING AT? WE'VE DONE SOME PRELIMINARY RESEARCH. WE HAD A COUPLE COMPANIES THAT CAME BACK TO US. FINANCE HELPED US WITH THAT. THERE WAS A RANGE ONE COMPANY QUOTED, I THINK ABOUT $50,000. ONE COMPANY QUOTED 85,000. THE OTHER COMPANY WAS IN THE MIDDLE, AROUND 70,000. SO I THINK IT WILL JUST BE DEPENDENT UPON HOW ROBUST WE WOULD WANT TO MAKE IT. I MEAN, I'M HEARING MAYOR SAY THAT WE THOUGHT WE WERE GETTING THE THE BEST OF THE BEST AT THE TIME. AND I THINK IT WAS I THINK I JUST THINK WE FELL OFF THE WAGON A LITTLE BIT AS FAR AS KEEPING IT UPDATED, ONE THING. I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. IS THIS SOMETHING THAT'S IN THE BUDGET THAT WE CURRENTLY ARE? IS IT IN FISCAL YEAR 26 BUDGET? BECAUSE I SEE THAT PLANNING ON DOING IT THIS FISCAL YEAR. YEAH. TO MY UNDERSTANDING, WE DO NOT HAVE IT BUILT IN BECAUSE WE DIDN'T NOTICE THE MAGNITUDE OF THE ERRORS THAT WERE BEING MADE. SO IT WOULD BE A BUDGET ADJUSTMENT THAT WOULD NEED TO TALK. COUNCIL. YEAH. TO TO TO TO TO TO PROCESS. IS THERE ONE IF WE'RE ABLE TO GET WITHIN THE CURRENT BUDGET WE HAVE. BECAUSE YOU KNOW OBVIOUSLY IF WE WENT WITH A SYSTEM LIKE THIS WE COULD CANCEL THE SERVICES WE'RE PAYING FOR NOW. BENEFIT CONNECTOR, MUNIS, OTHER SERVICES. ALSO KEEP IN MIND WE HAVE THREE PAYROLL SYSTEMS. IT'S NOT JUST MUNIS, BUT WE HAVE A A TIMEKEEPING SYSTEM FOR POLICE. WE HAVE A TIMEKEEPING SYSTEM FOR FIRE. TWO IF YOU COULD CONSOLIDATE AND MAKE IT BUDGET NEUTRAL, GREAT. WE WOULD WE WOULD BRING IT BACK TO YOU. BUT IF NOT, THEN WE'D HAVE TO GO FURTHER, MAYBE DOING SOMETHING FOR THE FOR THE NEXT BUDGET. BUT GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY. 
          SORRY. NO, NO. I HEAR YOU MENTIONED THREE DIFFERENT SYSTEMS. AND AND AGAIN, I'M KIND OF SPEAKING ON PAST EXPERIENCE. AND WE'VE HAD SYSTEMS AND WE HAD ANOTHER SYSTEM THAT WAS DOING SOMETHING. NOW I'M HEARING THREE SYSTEMS. AND THAT'S ANOTHER PART OF THIS EXERCISE TRYING TO CONSOLIDATE THOSE SERVICES. PARKS AND REC HAVING THE REC CENTER AS WELL. 
          YEAH. AND SO IT'S LIKE OKAY THAT. DOES SOUND A LITTLE MESSY. ABSOLUTELY. YES. ONE THING I WANTED TO ONE THING I WANTED TO NOTE TOO, AND ACTUALLY CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT YOU DID UPGRADE THE MUNIS MODULE. WE WOULD STILL HAVE TO PAY FOR THE BENEFIT CONNECTOR SERVICE, CORRECT. AND SOME OF THOSE OTHER MODULES TO THE SOFTWARE. THE SOFTWARE. IT WOULD ALL STAY. 
          CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THAT IS SO THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS. YES. SO WE HAVE DIFFERENT TIMEKEEPING SOFTWARE FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. COACH, COACH, CHIEF STOGNER CAN SPEAK TO THAT COACH. 
          AND THEN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THEY HAVE DIFFERENT SCHEDULING. YOU KNOW, THEY WORK THE 48, 96, THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT SCHEDULING SOFTWARE. AND THEN THE REC CENTER THEY HAVE I THINK IT'S CALLED EXPLORER. IT'S CALLED SPECIFICALLY, BUT THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT SET OF TIMEKEEPING SOFTWARE. SO THEN THEY'RE EXTRACTING ALL OF THEIR DATA ON PAYROLL MONDAY AND PUTTING IT INTO EXECUTIVE TIME SO THAT WE CAN THEN TAKE ALL THAT DATA, RUN THE REPORTS THAT WE NEED TO DETERMINE HOW MUCH EVERYONE GETS PAID. SO IT'S NOT JUST MANUAL FOR HR. THERE'S SOME MANUAL PROCESSES FOR PD AND FIRE AND THE REC CENTER AS WELL. 
          AND WHAT'S BENEFACTOR BENEFIT CONNECTOR IS THE SYSTEM THAT EMPLOYEES LOG INTO. IT'S A 
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SEPARATE LOGIN FROM MUNIS AND EXECUTIVE. THEY HAVE TO LOG INTO THAT. THEY CAN ELECT THEIR BENEFITS BUT THEY CAN'T MAKE ANY CHANGES IN THERE. THEY HAVE TO REQUEST A CHANGE. AND THEN WE HAVE TO GO IN ON THE MUNIS SIDE AND MAKE ANY CHANGES ON ON THE WHAT GETS DRAFTED OUT OF THEIR BANK ACCOUNT FOR PAYROLL AND THEN ANY OTHER CHANGES STATE IN BENEFIT CONNECTOR SO THAT THE BENEFIT VENDORS CAN PULL FROM THAT INFORMATION. SO WE'RE WORKING TWO SYSTEMS THERE AS WELL. WELL, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LET'S SAY IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE MUNIS OPTION, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING A MUCH BETTER SITUATION THAN YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW ACCORDING TO YOUR YOUR REPORT, BUT YOU'RE LISTING ALL THE THINGS THAT'S WRONG WITH IT. THAT'S WHY I THINK WE NEED TO WORKSHOP IT SO WE UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENT SYSTEMS AND HOW HR IS GOING TO BE BETTER BECAUSE OF GOING TO A MORE MODERN SYSTEM, WHATEVER IT MAY BE. AND RIGHT NOW WE DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT, AND WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO GET THE ANSWERS TODAY. SO ANY EXPENDITURE GOING FORWARD, KNOWING WHAT OUR BUDGET SITUATION IS, I'M JUST NOT WANTING TO GO IN UNINFORMED. NOT THAT YOU HAVEN'T DONE A GOOD JOB IN YOUR PRESENTATION, BUT THERE'S STILL SO MANY MORE QUESTIONS I WOULD HAVE ABOUT THE SYSTEM, AND I'D WANT TO LEARN ABOUT THE SYSTEM BEFORE I COMMIT TO SPENDING MONEY. EVEN IF IT'S MUNIS, I STILL WANT TO KNOW. SO I'D ASK THE COUNCIL IF. I'VE GOT GOOD RESPONSES WHEN I'VE USED THE WORKSHOP WORD BEFORE, BUT IF THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD ENTERTAIN. YES, I WOULD. I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION TO MR. JACOBS IS WITH THIS PROCESS, WHO ALL IS INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS? IT'S JUST HR OR IS IT IS FINANCE INVOLVED WITH IT AS WELL AS IT? MR. GANS ARE INVOLVED WITH IT AND HIS TEAM AS WELL. RIGHT NOW FINANCE IS HELPING US RUN PAYROLL. SO THEY AND THEY'VE OBVIOUSLY BEEN INVOLVED WITH SOME OF THE QUOTES THAT WE'VE RECEIVED JUST TO GET A BALLPARK AMOUNT. AND THEN, YES, MR. GANZER HAS HELPED US AS FAR AS GETTING ALL THE INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO MUNIS, WHAT TYPE OF MODULES WE HAVE, WHAT IT WOULD COST TO TERMINATE THOSE HR SPECIFIC MODULES, AND THEN MOVING FORWARD. YEAH, CLAYTON WOULD CONTINUE TO HELP US. FINANCE, OF COURSE, WOULD HELP US IN ANY BILL PAY AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. BUT HR WOULD ASSUME THE FUNCTIONS SINCE THEY WOULD ALL BE IN ONE. OKAY. SO SO I HEARD YOU SAY THAT FINANCE IS HELPING PAYROLL. YES. OKAY. IS THAT ALWAYS BEEN A FINANCE FUNCTION OR HAS THAT BEEN A HR FUNCTION? FROM MY KNOWLEDGE, THE PREVIOUS HR DIRECTOR WAS RUNNING PAYROLL. 
          WE'VE HAD SEVERAL AUDITS THAT HAVE MENTIONED IT WOULD BE BEST PRACTICE TO REMOVE PAYROLL FROM HR. BUT WE'RE A SMALL WE'RE A SMALL CITY. AND SO I UNDERSTAND WHY THAT WAS HAPPENING. SO PAYROLL HAS OR FINANCE HAS BEEN HELPING US RUN PAYROLL BECAUSE I WAS OUT ON MATERNITY LEAVE. 
          AND SINCE WE'VE COME BACK, WE'RE NOW SHIFTING, YOU KNOW, SHIFTING DUTIES OR TRYING TO SHIFT DUTIES. AND THEN THIS IS THAT'S HOW THIS ALL CAME UP AS FAR AS SYSTEM. THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW. WHAT WAS DISCOVERED THAT BROUGHT THIS UP? WE'RE WORKSHOPPING RIGHT NOW AND I DON'T. ON TIME. SO I'M GOING TO ASK YOU AGAIN BECAUSE I THINK WORKSHOP. WORKSHOP, WORKSHOP WORKSHOP. YES. OKAY. ITEM THREE B BRIEFING ON GRAND PRAIRIE FIRE DEPARTMENT SPECIALIZED RESPONSE OPERATIONS AVAILABLE TO DUNCANVILLE. YEAH, I THINK YOU'RE GOING THE WRONG WAY. I'M GOING THE WRONG WAY. YEAH. KEEP GOING, KEEP GOING, KEEP GOING. ALL RIGHT, THERE WE GO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WELL GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL I'M VERY EXCITED TO SHARE THIS GOOD NEWS WITH YOU ALL OBVIOUSLY. AND I'LL GET RIGHT INTO IT THAT THE GRAND PRAIRIE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS OFFERED TO PROVIDE SPECIAL OPERATIONS SERVICES FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. KEY ISSUE HERE. DO THE COST, TRAINING REQUIREMENTS AND INFREQUENT OCCURRENCE OF THESE INSTANCES IS NEITHER PRACTICAL NOR FEASIBLE FOR THE DUNCANVILLE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES? CERTAINLY WHEN I WAS IN HOUSTON FIRE DEPARTMENT, WE DID THAT IN THE HOUSTON METROPOLITAN REGION, DALLAS FIRE RESCUE COUNCILMEMBER VERACRUZ FAMILIAR WITH THIS. THEY DO THAT HERE IN THE DFW REGION. BUT I LIKE TO HAVE A BACKUP PLAN BECAUSE SOMETIMES YOU CAN HAVE SIMILAR THOSE TYPE INCIDENTS HAPPENING. 
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IT DON'T HAPPEN OFTEN. THEY'RE PRETTY INFREQUENT AS YOU SEE ON THE SLIDE. BUT NEVERTHELESS, KNOWING SHE FIGHTS THE FIRE CHIEF GRANBURY FOR MANY YEARS AND REACHED OUT TO HIM, I HEARD THEY HAD RESOURCES. QUITE FRANKLY, A LOT OF FIREFIGHTERS DIDN'T KNOW GRAND PRAIRIE HAD ALL THOSE RESOURCES, AND SO THEY HAVE BEEN VERY USER FRIENDLY. AND YOU'LL SEE THE AGREEMENT THERE. AND JUST TO HIGHLIGHT WHAT THEY PROVIDE IS ROPE RESCUE AND CONFINED SPACE RESCUE. WHEN YOU HAVE COLLAPSES, VARIOUS CONSTRUCTION AREAS AND WHAT HAVE YOU STRUCTURAL COLLAPSE RESCUE, WATER RESCUE OPERATION INCLUDING DIVE OPERATIONS AS WELL. WE I UNDERSTAND MANY YEARS AGO WE HAD A RECOVERY IN THE LAKE AND THEY DALLAS IN THIS CASE HAD CAME OUT PERSIST AS WELL. LIGHT VEHICLE RESCUE OPERATIONS AND HEAVY COMPLEX VEHICLE RESCUE AND HAZMAT AND RAILWAY INSTANCES AS WELL. SO THIS IS THERE'S NO COST TO US IF THERE'S A COST RECOVERY OPTION WORKING WITH THAT ENTITY THAT HAD THE THE CHALLENGE THAT CAUSED THE INCIDENT THAT THAT GRAND PRAIRIE IN THIS CASE WOULD SEEK REIMBURSEMENT FROM THEM. BUT THERE'S NEVER A COST TO THE CITY OF DUNCANVILLE FOR THEM PROVIDING THOSE SERVICES. 
          AND SO IT IS A WIN WIN FOR THE CITY OF DUNCANVILLE. ANY QUESTIONS Y'ALL HAVE FOR ME? YES, SIR. CHIEF. SO WHAT'S THE PRIMARY PLAN RIGHT NOW? IS IT DALLAS? FOR MOST OF THOSE? WELL, IT DALLAS IS AVAILABLE. I THINK GRAND PRAIRIE IS A LITTLE BIT CLOSER IN MANY ASPECTS. AND SO WE'LL PROBABLY CONTACT THEM NOW. ONE ASPECT OF TRENCH RESCUE THAT GRAND PRAIRIE DOESN'T PROVIDE THAT SPECIAL OPERATIONS SERVICE. AND I VISIT WITH CHIEF BALL. AND HE SAYS THE MOU IS STILL GOOD FOR DUNCANVILLE WITH DALLAS FIRE RESCUE. PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES. PLUS ALL THE ONES I JUST SHARED THAT DALLAS OFFICE DOES AS WELL. YEAH, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WORKING IN DALLAS, WE HAD ONE HAZMAT TEAM AND IF WE WERE OUT, I HAD ANOTHER INCIDENT. THEN WE HAD TO GET PLANO IN HERE. YES. SO YEAH, I AGREE. AND WE HAD TO DO THE SAME THING IN HOUSTON. 
          AND WE HAD THREE HEAVY RESCUES. AND THEN WE HAD A HAZMAT TEAM AT STATION 22 ON THE SHIP CHANNEL. BUT THERE WERE TIMES, AND THAT'S WHY HARRIS COUNTY DECIDED TO HAVE A HAZMAT TEAM, BECAUSE ALL THE PETROCHEMICAL INDUSTRY DOWN THERE IN THAT AREA STATES. SO THIS IS THERE'S NO DOWNSIDE TO THIS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, CHIEF? IS THIS THE SITE THAT'S OFF OF 161. WHAT'S THAT AGAIN? 161 LOCATION OF THE SITE. THE GRAND PRAIRIE SITE. WHAT STATION THEY COME OUT OF? NO, SIR. IT'S OFF OF HIGHWAY 161. YEAH. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. I'VE SEEN THE TRAIN. I'M SORRY. 
          I'M. YEAH. SO. YEAH. NO, IT IS A GOOD DEAL. THANK. OH, NO. I WAS GOING TO GIVE A THUMBS UP. 
          SO WE LIKE NO MONEY. REQUIRE ANY ACTION ON OUR PART. CHIEF. CHIEF, WOULD THAT REQUIRE ANY ACTION ON OUR PART? IS WHAT COUNCILMAN ASKED FOR NEXT STEPS DO WE REQUIRE? WHAT IS ANY FURTHER ACTION REQUIRED IN ORDER TO DO THIS? NO, NOT AT ALL. OKAY. HE'S DONE. THERE WOULDN'T NEED TO BE AN AGREEMENT SIGNED. WOULD NEED TO AUTHORIZE. ALREADY SIGNED IT. 
          AND SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF US CONTACTING. BUT TO GIVE YOU A BRIEFING THAT WE HAVE THIS RESOURCE IN PLACE IN CASE WE NEED IT. SO AND AGAIN, THERE WON'T BE ANY COST FACTORS TO THE CITY OF DUNCANVILLE FOR THEM ASSISTING US WHEN WE HAVE THESE TYPE OF INCIDENTS. SOUNDS GOOD. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. EXECUTIVE SESSION. THAT EXECUTIVE SESSION. 
          ALL RIGHT. SO THAT DOES THAT DOES CONCLUDE THE BRIEFING SESSION. SO WE'RE NOW GOING TO 
          [EXECUTIVE SESSION]
GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. SO WE'RE GOING TO RECESS THIS REGULAR MEETING AT 
          [CALL TO ORDER]
OKAY. WE'RE ALL HERE. AND WE'RE GOING TO BEGIN OUR REGULAR SESSION AT 7:11 P.M. AND I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND START WITH INVOCATION FOR PASTOR DIEGO MOTA FROM THE DUNCANVILLE FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH. PLEASE STAND IF YOU CAN. 
          TO BOW OUR HEADS WITH ME. LORD, YOUR WORD GRANTS US THAT WHEN WE HUMBLE OURSELVES BEFORE YOU 
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LIFT US UP. AND IT'S IN HUMILITY, LORD, THAT WE RECOGNIZE WHO YOU ARE, WHO WE ARE, AND HOW DEPENDENT WE ARE IN YOU. LORD, I PRAY FOR MAYOR CONTRERAS. LORD, I PRAY FOR EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER HERE THAT YOU BLESS THEM WITH YOUR WISDOM, LORD, AND IN THEIR BRAINS, AND WITH YOUR LOVE FOR THE PEOPLE OF DUNCANVILLE IN THEIR HEARTS, IN THE WAY THAT THEY CAN CONTINUE TO SERVE LORD FAITHFULLY IN A WAY TO CARRY OUT YOUR WILL AND YOUR PLANS FOR OUR BEAUTIFUL CITY. LORD, I PRAY FOR OUR FAMILIES, ALL OF US. I PRAY FOR THE PROSPERITY OF OUR CITY AND THAT YOU WILL KEEP BLESSING US. LORD, WITH YOUR PLANS AND YOUR PLANS ALONE. 
          BLESS THIS MEETING, LORD. MAY IT BE FILLED WITH HUMILITY, LORD, AND WISDOM COMING FROM YOU IN A WAY THAT THINGS GET RESOLVED AND YOUR NAME IS GLORIFIED EVERY STEP OF THE WAY. 
          LORD, WE LOVE YOU. WE BELONG TO YOU. THE CITY BELONGS TO YOU WHEN WE DEDICATE THIS TIME TO YOU. IN JESUS NAME, AMEN. AMEN. THANK YOU PASTOR. ALRIGHT, PLEASE JOIN US IN THE PLEDGES TO OUR FLAGS. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. TEXAS FLAG I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE, TEXAS. ONE STATE FOR GOD, ONE INDIVISIBLE. THANK YOU. OKAY. WE'LL GET RIGHT INTO OUR REPORTS. FIRST ONE IS MAYOR 
          [4.A. Mayor's Report]
REPORT. I JUST WANT TO COMMENT ON AN EVENT THAT WE HAD THIS PAST WEEK. VERY SUCCESSFUL EVENT. IT WAS A BLACK HISTORY MONTH FIRESIDE CHAT. WE HAD IT OVER AT THE SENIOR CENTER. IT WAS PRETTY MUCH STANDING ROOM ONLY. GREAT MIXTURE OF OUR COMMUNITY AND STAFF, GREAT PRESENTER, FIRST TIME PRESENTER, FIRST TIME I MET HER MISS CARLA FROM SHE WORKED DOWN AT THE FIELDHOUSE AND SHE DID A STELLAR JOB. SHE REALLY DID. SHE ENGAGED WITH THE SPEAKERS. 
          WE HAD OUTSTANDING SPEAKERS. IT WAS REALLY A CHAT. IT WASN'T ANYTHING ABOVE THAT. IT WAS JUST A CONVERSATION AND IT WAS REALLY A HEARTFELT AND I WOULD SAY THIS WITH WITH ANY CELEBRATION OF OUR ETHNICITY IN THIS CITY, IT SHOULDN'T BE ONE TIME OF YEAR THAT WE DO THESE TYPES OF THINGS. WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT IT EVERY DAY AND DO THESE MORE OFTEN TO CELEBRATE 
          [4.B. Councilmembers' Report]
OUR CULTURES IN THIS COMMUNITY. SO WITH THAT, I'LL PASS IT ON TO COUNCIL MEMBER REPORTS COUNCILMAN MCBURNETT. THANK YOU MAYOR. I WANT TO HAVE PRAYERS OR BLESSINGS FOR FOR FORMER POLICE OFFICER DOUG SISK AND HIS FAMILY. HE RECENTLY LOST HIS MOM AND WE HAD THAT. BUT HE WAS A SERVANT HERE FOR DUNCANVILLE FOR 35 YEARS. ALSO, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT SHAYLA'S BISTRO AND I KNOW IT'S ON THE AGENDA ITEM, BUT IF YOU HAVEN'T GONE BY THERE LATELY, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY SPECIAL. IN TERMS OF THAT, I HAD THE FIRESIDE CHAT LISTED AS WELL. I'M SORRY I COULDN'T BE THERE FOR THAT EVENT, BUT BUT IT WAS A I HEARD VERY GOOD THINGS ABOUT IT. ALSO LIKE PRAYERS FOR STEVE MARTIN, FORMER CHAMBER PRESIDENT. HE'S GOT SOME ISSUES THAT HE'S HAVING TO DEAL WITH AS WELL. AND THEN I GOTTA GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO MARS, MY SISTER AND MY DAUGHTER'S BIRTHDAY. SO. SO WE'LL WE'LL GO WITH THAT. YEP. 
          ALSO SOME THINGS THE BEST SOUTHWEST EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS THAT'S HAPPENING IN DESOTO. BUT THAT'S IN ON MARCH 12TH. LAUREN SANCHEZ DOES AN EXCELLENT JOB AND WE'RE IN THE COMMUNITY. WE'VE GOT DUNCAN SWITCH COMING UP. BUT DUNCAN SWITCH IS HAVING A SWITCH BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE HELD IN ARMSTRONG PARK. AND THAT'S THE THIRD SATURDAY. THEN THE CHAMBER'S ALSO HAVING A BURGERS, BOWLING AND BUSINESS. SO IF ANY OF YOU ARE BOWLERS OR EVEN PRETEND TO BE BOWLERS, YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO DO. AND THE EASTER'S, THE CITY'S EASTER EGG HUNT IS GOING TO BE AT THE END OF MARCH ON THE 28TH ON A SATURDAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. 
          MAYOR PRO TEM GOODEN. THANK YOU, MAYOR. GOOD EVENING. DUNCANVILLE CITY OF CHAMPIONS. 
          I JUST WANT TO REMIND US ALL TO KEEP AS A MILITARY MOM, KEEP THE MILITARY AND THEIR FAMILIES IN YOUR PRAYERS. WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW, IT ISN'T AN EASY TIME FOR THOSE OF US WHO HAVE ACTIVE DUTY SERVICE MEN AND WOMEN. SO I JUST ASK THAT YOU 
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PLEASE BE MINDFUL IF YOU SEE SOMEONE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND THEY ARE A MILITARY FAMILY, OR THEY ARE SERVING OUR COUNTRY, PLEASE WELCOME THEM WITH OPEN ARMS AND GIVE THEM A HUG AND LET THEM KNOW THAT THEY ARE LOVED AND THEY ARE THOUGHT OF IN THIS TIME. SO THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS GOODEN. OKAY. NO FURTHER REQUEST FROM COUNCIL, 
          [4.C. City Manager's Report]
SO WE'LL MOVE INTO CITY MANAGER'S REPORT. YES. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I A LOT OF THE STUFF THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN MENTIONED, BUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, MARCH IS WOMEN'S HISTORY, WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH. AND WE DO HAVE A PROCLAMATION TONIGHT. BUT IF YOU LOOK OUT IN OUR LOBBY, WE DO HAVE A REALLY GOOD DISPLAY OF, OF WOMEN'S HISTORY AND ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND INDIVIDUALS IN OUR, IN OUR COUNTRY'S HISTORY THAT HAVE ACHIEVED GREAT THINGS. AND AGAIN, THERE WILL BE A FIRESIDE CHAT ON THURSDAY, MARCH 26TH, 11 A.M. TO 1 P.M. AT THE SENIOR CENTER. I ALSO WANTED TO FOLLOW UP. IF YOU RECALL, BACK ON NOVEMBER 4TH, WE BRIEFED THE CITY COUNCIL ON OUR THE CURRENT CONDITION OF OUR OUTDOOR WARNING SIRENS. AND YOU KNOW, WE'VE UPDATED SINCE THAT WE'VE WE'VE MADE THOSE REPAIRS TO THE OUTDOOR WARNING SIRENS. I WANT TO THANK LAUREN SANCHEZ AND OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT AND CHIEF KENNEALY FOR FOR MAKING THAT HAPPEN. WE ARE WE WERE SUPPOSED TO DO AN OUTDOOR WARNING SIRENS TEST TOMORROW, BUT WITH THE WEATHER BEING IT IS, WE PROBABLY WON'T. AND THAT DOES. 
          THAT DOES REMIND ME THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A COLD FRONT COMING IN THIS WEEK, AND IT IS ANTICIPATED THAT WEDNESDAY THROUGH THIS WEEKEND WE WILL EXPERIENCE SOME POTENTIAL SEVERE SEVERE WEATHER AND FLASH FLOOD. AND SO JUST JUST A REMINDER TO EVERYONE THAT WE ARE APPROACHING THE STORM SEASON. AND SO IF YOU REALLY WANT TO GET UPDATES ON EMERGENCY NOTIFICATIONS, WE REALLY DO RECOMMEND GOING TO DUNCANVILLE, TX, OUR WEBSITE AND SIGN UP FOR THOSE EMERGENCY NOTIFICATIONS. IN ADDITION, THERE'S THE EVENT COMING UP ON THE 12TH THAT COUNCIL MEMBER BURNETT. BUT AGAIN, JUST A FRIENDLY REMINDER THAT WE ARE ENTERING THAT SEASON. AND THEN JUST ONE HOUSEKEEPING ITEM. WE DID TALK ABOUT IT IN THE CALENDAR, BUT WE DO HAVE SEVERAL MEETINGS NEXT MONDAY ON MARCH 9TH. WE DO HAVE A DC DC SPECIAL CALLED MEETING AT 6 P.M. AT 103 EAST WHEATLAND. MAIN REASON FOR THAT SPECIAL CALL MEETING IS WE HAD TO CANCEL THE MEETING IN JANUARY DUE TO THE WINTER WEATHER, AND SO THIS REALLY ALLOWS THEM TO GET CAUGHT UP ON SOME BUSINESS THAT NEEDS TO BE ATTENDED TO. 
          BUT AT THE SAME TIME, ON MONDAY, WE DO HAVE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING HERE IN THE CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS STARTING AT 630, AND THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD MEETING WILL ALSO BE MEETING AT 6 P.M. IN THE SENIOR CENTER. SO A LOT OF MEETINGS GOING ON ONE NIGHT, BUT JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S AWARE OF THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, IN REGARDS TO THE FIRESIDE CHATS FOR BLACK HISTORY MONTH, IT WAS A REALLY GREAT EVENT. I THINK WE WE ALL GOT SOME REALLY GOOD PERSPECTIVES AND HISTORY. IT WAS REALLY GOOD. I JUST WANT TO THANK THE STAFF AND THE SENIOR CENTER FOR, FOR, FOR WORKING AND PUTTING THAT TOGETHER. SO THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CITY MANAGER. OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO 
          [5.A. Proclamation for Women's History Month 2026.]
ITEM FIVE PROCLAMATIONS AND PRESENTATIONS PRESENTING A PROCLAMATION FOR WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH 2026 IS COUNCILWOMAN CHERRY BROWN. 
          COME RIGHT HERE THEN. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. WHEREAS MARCH'S WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH, WHICH COMMEMORATES AND ENCOURAGES THE STUDY, OBSERVANCE AND CELEBRATION OF THE VITAL ROLE OF WOMEN IN AMERICAN HISTORY. AND WHEREAS WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH HAS BEEN OBSERVED ANNUALLY DURING THE MONTH OF MARCH IN THE UNITED STATES SINCE 1987, AND WHEREAS, THROUGHOUT OUR HISTORY, WOMEN HAVE INFLUENCED EVERY FACET OF AMERICAN AND CULTURE OF AMERICAN LIFE AND CULTURE. AND WHEREAS WOMEN HAVE BEEN PIONEERS IN THE FIELDS OF SCIENCE, MEDICINE, ENGINEERING, EDUCATION, FINANCE, ARTS, JOURNALISM, BUSINESS, GOVERNMENT, AND MORE. WHEREAS DURING THE MONTH OF MARCH, WE CELEBRATE THE CONTRIBUTION WOMEN HAVE MADE IN OUR COUNTRY, STATE, REGION AND CITIES AND RECOGNIZE THE OUTSTANDING ACHIEVEMENT WOMEN HAVE MADE OVER THE COURSE OF HISTORY. 
          AMERICAN HISTORY. AND WHEREAS THE THEME FOR 2026 IS LEADING THE CHANGE WOMEN SHAPING AND SUSTAINING FUTURE, HIGHLIGHTING WOMEN WHO ARE DRIVING, REBUILDING AND REIMAGINING SYSTEMS FOR LONG TERM SUSTAINABILITY ACROSS ENVIRONMENTAL ECONOMICS, EDUCATION AND SOCIAL JUSTICE SECTORS. NOW, THEREFORE, GREG CONTRERAS, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF DUNCANVILLE, TEXAS, DOES HEREBY PROCLAIM MARCH AS WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH IN THE CITY OF 
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DUNCANVILLE AND URGE THE CITIZENS TO JOIN HIM. JOIN US IN CELEBRATING THE COLLECTIVE STRENGTH AND INFLUENCE OF WOMEN, AND ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO PARTICIPATE IN EVENTS HONORING THE HISTORY AND CONTRIBUTION OF WOMEN. AND WE'D LIKE TO PRESENT THIS TO MISSUS ANGEL. DEAL. 
          LOOK, DON'T GET THESE ORTHOPEDIC SHOES. FIVE. FOUR. THREE. TWO. ONE. SMILE. THANK 
          [6. CITIZENS' INPUT]
YOU ALL. OKAY, NOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE INTO CITIZENS INPUT. COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES IN TIME. AND PLEASE REMEMBER AS YOU APPROACH THE DAIS TO NAME YOUR STATE NAME YOUR GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. THANK YOU. FIRST UP, MISS ERICA BROWNING. GOOD EVENING, ERICA BROWNING, 442 EAST CHERRY STREET. I WANT TO SPEAK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT RAILROAD FLATS. I THINK IT'S ITEM D ON YOUR AGENDA. I WOULD ASK YOU TO TAKE MORE TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT AND HOW IT INVOLVES HOW IT IMPACTS THE NEIGHBORS AROUND THERE. I KNOW THAT OUR COUNCIL, AS IT IS NOW, IS REALLY FOCUSED ON TRANSPARENCY AND MAKING SURE THAT CITIZENS ARE INVOLVED. BUT I HAVE HEARD NUMEROUS PEOPLE OVER THERE SAYING THAT THEY DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT. AND THAT IS A HUGE CHANGE IN IN THEIR ENVIRONMENT TO PUT THAT IN THERE. I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 30 UNITS ON A VERY SMALL PIECE OF LAND. I KNOW, I KNOW THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO INFILL TO GET MORE PROPERTY TAX REVENUE, BUT I REALLY THINK YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT THAT BEFORE YOU JUST PASS IT. TONIGHT. I, I ALSO, YOU KNOW, AS SOMEBODY WHO LIVES ON EAST CHERRY STREET, WHICH IS ONE OF THE STREETS THAT BOUNDS THAT PROPERTY. WE HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON OUR STREET THAT THAT CUTS THROUGH FROM COCKRELL HILL OVER TO MAIN STREET. AND IF YOU HAVE 30 UNITS AND THAT'S AT LEAST 60 VEHICLES, AT LEAST IF THEY'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, YOUNG ADULT CHILDREN, YOU'RE YOU'RE TALKING MORE MAYBE, YOU KNOW, 80 TO 100 VEHICLES. AND OUR STREET JUST CAN'T HANDLE THAT. YOU LOOK AT ALL OF THE THE TRAFFIC PROBLEM, I MEAN, THE PARKING PROBLEMS THAT WE'RE ALREADY HAVING. AND THAT'S JUST GOING TO ADD TO IT. SO I WOULD REALLY LIKE YOU TO, TO CONSIDER THAT BEFORE BEFORE DOING ANYTHING TONIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT UP IS. 
          REESE EDWARDS. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JUSTIN REESE EDWARDS. 226 MIZELL HERE IN DUNCANVILLE. 
          75116. I COME TO SPEAK TONIGHT ON A ON ANOTHER ENVIRONMENTAL TOPIC CALLED HILLTOP HAVEN. AND I WANT TO THANK Y'ALL FOR OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS. BUT CAN WE TURN ON THE CLOCK? IT'S ON. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU. SO OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS, I WANT TO THANK Y'ALL FOR CHAMPIONING A COUPLE OF MAJOR ENVIRONMENTAL CAUSES HERE IN THE CITY OF CHAMPIONS, INCLUDING THE PRESERVE THE NEW LIGHT ORDINANCE. AND AND ALSO KEEP DUNCANVILLE BEAUTIFUL. TONIGHT I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON HILLTOP HAVENS. AS YOU ALL KNOW, IT'S A 12.4 PIECE PIECE OF PROPERTY ACREAGE IN PRESIDENTIAL ESTATES THAT HAS BEEN CHAMPIONED BY A SMALL GROUP OF LOCAL CITIZENS. IT IT IS FOR SALE FOR A VERY LARGE SUM OF MONEY. BUT I IMPLORE YOU, WE KNOW IT'S A LOT OF MONEY, BUT I JUST WANT TO PUT ON YOUR RADAR THAT IF A TIME DOES HAPPEN WHEN THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY IS REALISTICALLY PUT UP TO MARKET BY THE BY THE OWNER AND THE SMALL GROUP OF CITIZENS THAT ACT SWIFTLY AND ACT WISELY AND JUDICIOUSLY TO ACQUIRE THAT PROPERTY. AND HERE'S WHY. WE LIVE IN A WORLD WHERE THE CLIMATE'S CHANGING. YOU KNOW, WINTERS ARE GETTING COLDER, SUMMERS ARE GETTING HOTTER. AND SO WE NEED TO HAVE A PLACE THAT THAT FOR THE FOR FOR CITIZENS AND CHILDREN TO GO AND ENJOY THE ENVIRONMENT. AND SO IF WE CAN DO, DO, DO OUR PART TO CHAMPION THE ENVIRONMENT, SUCH AS OTHER CITIES AROUND HAVE INCLUDING CEDAR HILLS, A BIG ONE TO DO OUR PART TO ADD GREEN SPACES. NOT ONLY WILL WE HELP CHAMPION ENVIRONMENT, WE'LL GIVE PEOPLE A PLACE TO RECREATE AS WE AS WE LOOK TO THEIR FUTURE. SO I JUST WANT TO AGAIN HELP YOU ALL TO BE AWARE THAT IF A TIME DOES COME FOR US TO ADD MORE GREEN 
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SPACE TO THE CITY OF CHAMPIONS, NOT ONLY FOR YOU TO LEAVE A LEGACY, BUT ALSO FOR OUR CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN TO HAVE A PLACE TO GO AND SEE WISE AND UNTOUCHED NATURE. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND THANK YOU FOR SERVING THE CITY OF CHAMPIONS, DUNCANVILLE. THANK 
          [7. CONSENT AGENDA]
YOU. OKAY, NOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO ITEM SEVEN, CONSENT AGENDA. BY THE WAY, WERE THERE ANY ELECTRONIC SUBMITTALS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT OKAY. FIRST ITEM A CONSIDER THE MINUTES OF FEBRUARY 17TH, 2026. I'M SORRY, I'M JUMPING AHEAD, MAYOR. THANK YOU. MAYOR. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. SECOND. SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM GOODEN, PLEASE VOTE. THANK YOU. I MOVE ON TO ITEM EIGHT, ITEM FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. ITEM 
          [8.B. Consider a resolution to adopt the new Community Pillars, Core Values and Mission Statement]
A THERE IS NO ACTION TO TAKE AS A RESULT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION. MOVE TO ITEM B, CONSIDER RESOLUTION TO ADOPT THE NEW COMMUNITY PILLARS, CORE VALUES AND MISSION STATEMENTS. GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL CITY MANAGER, WE BROUGHT THIS ITEM TO YOU BEFORE. EXCUSE ME. ANGEL DEAL, PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE CITY. SO WE BROUGHT THIS ITEM TO YOU ALL BACK IN JUNE IN ONE OF OUR EARLY WORKSHOPS IN THE SUMMER, AND THEN BROUGHT SOME ADDITIONAL DETAIL LATER ON IN THE YEAR. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU ASKED US TO DO IS TO GIVE YOU A SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON OF THE OLD CORE VALUES, EXCUSE ME, THE OLD VALUES AND THE NEW VALUES. WE ALSO HAVE THE COMMUNITY PILLARS AND THE MISSION STATEMENT. AND SO THIS CHANGE WOULD ULTIMATELY BE IMPACTED BY OUR NEW CIVIC CLERK WHEN WE PRESENT STAFF REPORTS, WHEN WE PRESENT NEW PROJECTS, THEY WILL JUST HAVE AN EXPANDED MEETING, MEANING, EXCUSE ME OF WHAT THOSE PROJECTS REPRESENT AS IT RELATES TO OUR COMMUNITY PILLARS AND CORE VALUES. SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT YOUR PACKET, YOU WOULD HAVE RECEIVED THE ORIGINAL PRESENTATION THAT WE SHARED. THE SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON, WHICH ALSO INCLUDED WHY WE WANTED TO INITIATE THIS CHANGE. AND SO TONIGHT WE JUST WANT TO BRING IT BACK BEFORE YOU TO SIGN OFF ON US MOVING FORWARD WITH THE NEW MISSION STATEMENT, COMMUNITY PILLARS AND CORE VALUES. COUNCIL COMMENTS. QUESTIONS. AT THIS POINT, WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CONSIDER THE ORDINANCE. 
          MOTION TO APPROVE. MOTION TO APPROVE. MOTION TO APPROVE BY COUNCILMAN MCBURNETT. SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN KAREN CHERRY BROWN. PLEASE VOTE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OUR NEXT ITEM FOR 
          [8.C. Consider and Ordinance Merging the Sign Control Board into the Zoning Board of Adjustment (ZBA)]
INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. EIGHT C CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE MERGING THE SIGN CONTROL BOARD INTO THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. MARK RAUSCHER ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER. YOU MIGHT RECALL BACK IN OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR, WE PROVIDED A BRIEFING TO YOU RELATED TO A COUPLE OF CHANGES THAT WE WERE LOOKING TO MAKE TO HELP STREAMLINE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS IN THE IN THE CITY AND HELP, YOU KNOW, ENHANCE RELIABILITY OF QUORUMS AND TRANSPARENCY AND SO FORTH. AND SO TONIGHT, WE'RE BRINGING FORWARD A RESOLUTION TO ESSENTIALLY MERGE THE DUTIES OF THE SIGN CONTROL BOARD INTO THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. AND THE AGAIN, THE PRIMARY GOAL HERE IS TO ENSURE THAT WE ALWAYS HAVE A QUORUM AND ALSO TO, YOU KNOW, STREAMLINE SOME OF THE OVERLAPPING, YOU KNOW, ASPECTS OF OF THOSE TWO OF THOSE TWO BOARDS. AND SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE EXPECT THIS WILL, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE GREATER PREDICTABILITY ON ON MEETINGS, MAKING QUORUM AND BEING ABLE TO HANDLE BUSINESS AND, AND SO FORTH. SO WITH THAT, BE HAPPY TO TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE REGARDING THIS RESOLUTION TONIGHT. I'LL JUST COMMENT THAT AFTER MUCH DELIBERATION WITH MANY OF OUR BOARDS AND TRYING TO REACH CONCLUSIONS, HOW WE CAN. CAN ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO ATTEND THE MEETINGS TO THE EXTENT THAT WE HAVE QUORUMS. THIS ONE WAS SOMETHING OUT OF THE BOX FOR ME, BUT IT MADE GOOD SENSE THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE SIGN CONTROL BOARD MEETING AND THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT DON'T MEET THAT OFTEN. AND IN MORE RECENT YEARS, THE SIGN CONTROL BOARD HAS MET VERY RARELY. SO IT MEANS TO ME THAT PEOPLE ARE BUILDING SIGNS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CURRENT ORDINANCES, SO THEY'RE NOT HAVING TO ASK FOR 
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VARIANCES. BUT THAT BEING SAID, I THINK THE JOINING TOGETHER OF THE TWO BOARDS, WHICH APPARENTLY OTHER CITIES DO SUCCESSFULLY, I THINK IS A GREAT IDEA TO KEEP THE BOARDS FILLED AND MAKE SURE WE GET QUORUMS FOR OUR MEETINGS. SO, MR. MCBURNETT, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. AND AND I WOULD TEND TO AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE HAVING TO SAY. MR. RAUSCHER, WOULD WOULD YOU TELL US HOW YOU THINK OF THAT? AND ALSO IF IF SOMEBODY IS ON SIGN BOARD, THAT WHAT I GUESS, WHAT'S THE OFFICIAL NAME OF THIS GOING TO BE? AND THEN AND IF SOMEBODY IS ALREADY SIGNED ON OR THEY DO, THEY JUST MOVE OVER OR SO WE ESSENTIALLY THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT CURRENTLY HAS FIVE MEMBERS WITH TWO ALTERNATES. AND ANYTIME THE ZBA I'LL JUST I'LL JUST CALL IT FOR SHORT NEEDS TO MEET ON A ON A SIGN VARIANCE ISSUE. THEY WOULD THEY WOULD ESSENTIALLY ADJOURN AS THE ZBA. AND THEN YOU KNOW RE YOU KNOW, CONSTITUTE AS THE, AS THE SIGN CONTROL BOARD. AND AS FAR AS THE EXISTING MEMBERS THAT ARE ON THE SIGN CONTROL BOARD TODAY, WE WOULD WORK TO, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY ASSIGN THEM ONTO A NEW BOARD WITH THE CITY. WE CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE ANY VACANCIES ON THE ON THE ZBA RIGHT NOW, BUT AS SOON AS WE DO HAVE VACANCIES THERE OR ON ON PNC, FOR EXAMPLE, WE KNOW WE HAVE TWO VACANCIES ON PNC RIGHT NOW, WITH A THIRD ONE COMING UP. SO THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD PLACE TO TO LOOK TO MERGE. MEMBERS FROM THAT ARE CURRENTLY ON THE SIGN CONTROL BOARD TO TO ANOTHER BOARD THAT'S OUT THERE. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU FOR. THANK YOU. DONE. WELL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. OKAY. MOTION TO APPROVE BY COUNCILMAN MCBURNETT. SECOND. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN PENNEBAKER. PLEASE VOTE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM EIGHT. D CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING TO 
          [8.D. Conduct a public hearing to consider a Chapter 380 Agreement with Pegaso California Construction Corporation as part of the acquisition and redevelopment of the Railroad Flats Property, owned by the Duncanville Community and Economic Development Corporation (DCEDC).]
CONSIDER CHAPTER 380 AGREEMENT WITH PEGASO. PEGASO, CALIFORNIA CONSTRUCTION CORPORATION. GOOD EVENING. MAYOR, COUNCIL STAFF. MARLIN GOLF, REPRESENTING THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, AS NOTED IN THE CAPTION. SO THIS ITEM IS BEFORE YOU. THE ACTION ITEM IS TO CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING. RIGHT? TO CONSIDER THIS CHAPTER THREE EIGHT AGREEMENT. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. WE SPEND QUITE A BIT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT THIS SITE RIGHT AT OUR JOINT MEETING. 
          IT'S HISTORICALLY BEEN REFERRED TO AS RAILROAD FLATS, RIGHT. IT'S ESSENTIALLY A COLLECTION OF 29 PARCELS. SO TO RESET THE CONVERSATION, THIS SITE IS OWNED BY THE COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION. THE LOCATION AGAIN IS SITUATED WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN DUNCANVILLE ZONING DISTRICT. AND THE PROPOSED THE BUYER OF WHICH WHO'S UNDER CONTRACT WITH THE CORPORATION, HAS A HANDFUL OF PROJECT SITES WITHIN DALLAS COUNTY AND THE METROPLEX. 
          TIMELINE SNAPSHOT BACK IN OCTOBER. LAST FALL, REALLY AT THE START OF THIS FISCAL YEAR, THE CORPORATION APPROVED THAT PURCHASE SALE AGREEMENT, BUT IT WAS ALWAYS CONTINGENT UPON THE ACTION ITEM HERE TONIGHT, RIGHT? IN PART BECAUSE OF THE NEGOTIATIONS. AS I UNDERSTAND, THAT PRICE POINT INCREASED SUBSTANTIALLY. THIS WAS A REQUEST FOR THE DEVELOPER TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, AFTER STARTING THE PROJECT, RECOVER SOME OF THAT INCREASE IN PURCHASE PRICE. HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF THE SITE PLAN. DEVELOPER SUBMITTED REALLY HIGHLY CONCEPTUAL, AND IN PART BECAUSE THIS THIS PROJECT STILL. SO THERE'S A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT WE TALKED ABOUT AS THE ZONING. RIGHT. THE PROPOSAL CALLS FOR ADDITIONAL UNITS, WHICH WILL REQUIRE AN AMENDMENT RIGHT TO THAT PLAN DEVELOPMENT. SO HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF SOME OF THE SITES. MANY OF US HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE PHYSICALLY UP CLOSE, BUT THEY'RE SUBMITTED AS PART OF CONCEPTUAL EXCUSE ME ON THE GROUND EXAMPLES OF THE PRODUCTS THEY'VE DONE. OKAY. AND THEN THE SUMMARY WHAT THE CHAPTER 8380 AGREEMENT REPRESENTS IN TERMS OF INCENTIVE, IN SPITE OF THE CAPITAL INVESTMENT, SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS. THIS INCENTIVE REQUEST IS ESSENTIALLY VALUED AT $70,000 TO BE REBATED OVER A PERIOD OF TIME. AS THE NEW ASSESSED VALUE COMES ONLINE. AGAIN, THESE ARE THE REQUESTED ACTION ITEMS AND THAT IF YOU WANT TO HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, ME TO COVER NOW, IF YOU WANT TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, I 
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STAND BY FOR YOUR DIRECTION. YEAH, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME AT 7:37 P.M. AND WE MAY ASK YOU BACK UP FOR SOME QUESTIONS. I'LL START BY ASKING IF THERE'S ANY CITIZENS THAT ARE HERE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF THIS PROJECT. ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THE PROJECT? OKAY. COME ON UP. PLEASE GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. MAY DE LA ROSA, 1107 ROCK SPRINGS ROAD. I AM OPPOSED TO THIS JUST FOR ONE REASON, AND THAT IS THAT IT DOES NOT APPEAR THAT THE PREVIOUS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION THAT WAS IN OPERATION LAST YEAR GAVE DUE PROCESS TO OTHER INTERESTED PARTIES THAT EXPRESSED AN INTEREST. THAT'S REALLY IT. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE HERE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF THIS PROJECT? OKAY. SEEING NONE, I'LL ASK IF THERE'S ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT. JIM JONES 1627 NOB HILL CIRCLE. AND AND I DIDN'T ORIGINALLY COME HERE TO TO SPEAK ON THIS, BUT THERE IS A VITALIZATION PROGRAM GOING ON MAIN STREET HERE IN DUNCANVILLE, AND THIS COUNCIL IS DOING EVERYTHING IT CAN. I DON'T WANT TO USE THE TERM GENTRIFY, BUT YOU'RE TRYING TO BRING IN SOME TAX DOLLARS. YOU'RE TRYING TO INCREASE THE MEANINGFUL VALUE OF PROPERTIES TO BRING IN MORE REVENUE FOR YOU. AND YOU'RE TRYING TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIFESTYLE IN THIS CITY. I DON'T THINK THAT YOU'RE GOING TO VITALIZE DOWNTOWN BY DOING A SINGLE RESIDENCE, HOMES. AND I DON'T KNOW IF GEN Z AND THE CURRENT GEN'S, WHATEVER THEY ARE, ARE 100% ENTIRELY ABOUT BUYING A HOUSE. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE ABOUT, BUT IF YOU CAN TELL BY THE HOUSING THAT'S GOING IN ALL ACROSS THE METROPLEX, WHICH FRANKLY, IS GOING TO HAVE A POPULATION OF ABOUT 35 TO 48 MILLION BY 2100, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO CHECK THAT. SO THAT'S WHERE ALL OF THIS HOUSING IS COMING FROM. AND SO YOU HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO ADDRESS THAT FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING. NOW, THAT BEING SAID YOU'VE GOT A BIG NUT TO CRACK AND YOUR EDC, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING, BUT RATHER THAN BEING BUREAUCRATIC, I THINK YOUR EDC NEEDS TO CRACK THE WHIP AND BRING IN SOME MEAT. THEY NEED TO BE MEAT HUNTERS. THEY NEED TO BRING YOU SOME REVENUE. AND IF THIS IS IT, THIS IS WHAT YOU NEED TO DO. AND IN THE MEANTIME, SOMEONE NEEDS TO GO GET A CRAFT BREWERY, PUT 2 OR 3 RESTAURANTS AROUND IT. YOU'RE GETTING 3 OR 4 MORE RESTAURANTS AROUND HERE. I DON'T SEE HOW ON A VITALIZATION PROJECT ON A MAIN STREET PROJECT WHERE IF YOU HAVE HIGH DENSITY OR ULTRA HIGH DENSITY, THAT THAT HURTS. I THINK PEOPLE TEND TO EXPECT THAT ON A PROPERTY LIKE MAIN STREET, THAT YOU WOULD HAVE HIGH DENSITY OR ULTRA HIGH DENSITY AND PROBABLY SOME ASSOCIATED STOREFRONTS WITH IT. AND, AND I ANYWAY, I CAN'T SEE THAT YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO DO THAT, YOU KNOW, IS IT GOING TO BOTHER SOME OTHER PEOPLE? IT MIGHT. AND YOU KNOW WHAT? I LIKE IT UNNECESSARILY IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. WELL, I LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WITH A BUNCH OF RESIDENCES, AND I DON'T FRONT A MAIN STREET. THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN AN ECONOMIC CENTER. SO. 
          ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE HERE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT? ANYONE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT? SEEING NONE, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. MAYOR A MOTION TO CLOSE BY. COUNCIL MEMBER. MCBURNETT SECOND SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM GOODEN. PLEASE VOTE. TIME IS 7:41 P.M. OKAY. COUNCIL QUESTIONS FOR ANYONE REGARDING THE PROJECT AND KEEPING IN MIND THAT WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON HERE TONIGHT IS JUST THE INCENTIVE. IF YOU EXPLAIN THAT JUST ONE MORE TIME ABOUT THE INCENTIVE, SO THAT THE PUBLIC HAS A CLEAR INDICATION OF WHAT WE AS A COUNCIL HAVE SOME SAY IN VERSUS THE ACTUAL PROJECT ITSELF. OKAY, I'LL DO MY BEST. YEAH. SO IN TERMS OF ACTION ITEMS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE REQUEST TO CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING. AND THAT'S WHAT WE DO WHEN THERE'S A MONETARY 
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COMPONENT WITH WITH ANY OF THE GRANT AGREEMENTS IN THIS PARTICULAR LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, WHEN YOU'RE REBATING A PORTION OF THE SALES TAX, THE CITY COUNCIL IS THE GOVERNING BODY THAT APPROVES THOSE RESOLUTION AGREEMENTS. RIGHT? SO THIS IS JUST ESSENTIAL BREAKDOWN OF WHAT THE INCENTIVE REPRESENTS MONETARILY AND HOW IT WOULD BE AWARDED. RIGHT. AND WHO WOULD WE BE REWARDED FROM THE THE COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, WHICH IS THE LANDOWNER. RIGHT. AND SO HOW'S THAT? I MEAN, I GUESS THAT WOULD BE MY RESPONSE TO WHAT'S BEFORE US TONIGHT. YES. THANK YOU. ALSO. THE ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, BECAUSE IT WAS A A DEAL STRUCK BETWEEN THE CONTRACTOR DEVELOPER AND THE EDC, IT DID NOT NEED COUNCIL APPROVAL FOR THAT PART. THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE. CORRECT. WELL, AS A REAL ESTATE TRANSACTION, IT IS TYPICALLY GOING TO BE RIGHT BETWEEN THE THE SELLER PROPERTY OWNER AND THE BUYER. RIGHT. AND SO THE DC-DC IN OCTOBER OF 2025, RIGHT THERE APPROVED THE RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THEIR PRESIDENT TO EXECUTE THE PURCHASE SALE AGREEMENT. BUT BECAUSE IT'S CONTINGENT RIGHT UPON IN THIS ACTION ITEM IS KIND OF LIKE A PARTY TO THIS PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT, THAT THAT CONTRACT IS STILL READY TO BE EXECUTED. BUT BUT IN TERMS OF WE'LL SAY AGAIN, ATTORNEYS FEEL FREE TO GUIDE ME. PARTIES TO REAL ESTATE CONTRACT SELLER BUYER. 
          AND SOME OF US DID GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO OUT AND SEE SEVERAL SITES WHERE THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPER HAS DEVELOPED IN DALLAS. WELL, WE WEREN'T ANTICIPATING WE'D BE LOOKING AT WHAT THE FINISHED PRODUCT WOULD BE HERE BASED ON WHAT HE BUILT THERE. I WILL TELL YOU THAT I WAS COMFORTABLE WITH THE QUALITY OF THE PRODUCT IN TERMS OF THE THE BUILD QUALITY AND THE MATERIAL QUALITIES. AND THAT'S ONE THING THAT ALWAYS CONCERNS ME IS THAT WE'RE GETTING QUALITY NOW IN TERMS OF WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE. WE SHOWED A SERIES OF PICTURES HERE. NONE OF US, INCLUDING THE EDC, KNOWS WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE YET. IS THAT CORRECT, WHAT THOSE UNITS ARE GOING TO LOOK LIKE? YEAH. AND AND TO ADD ON TO THAT POINT, RIGHT, THAT THAT'S STILL THE WE'LL SAY CONTINGENT PORTION OF THIS PROJECT. RIGHT. PROJECT BEING REAL ESTATE TRANSACTION INCENTIVE REQUESTS, BUT THEN ALSO APPROVAL OF YOUR ZONING AND LAND USE RIGHTS. SO THE ENTITLEMENT RIGHT. AND THEN THAT ENTAILS A POTENTIAL A CHANGE OF ZONING, RIGHT. AND APPROVAL OF SITE PLAN. RIGHT. SO THE PROPERTY THE TRANSACTION DOESN'T CLOSE. RIGHT. ANY BUYER DOING GOOD DILIGENCE. RIGHT. YOU DON'T WANT TO CLOSE ON THE TRANSACTION WITH NO ASSURANCES THAT UNLESS IT'S NOT PERMITTED BY RIGHT, YOU MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT TO DEVELOP THE PROJECT. RIGHT, BECAUSE YOU STILL HAVE TO SECURE ZONING, YOUR ENTITLEMENT, YOUR DESIGN. SO, I MEAN, I GUESS THAT'S A LONG WINDED, COMPLEX WAY OF SAYING THE PROJECT HAS ALL OF THOSE COMPONENTS AND THIS IS ONE OF THEM. STILL DON'T SEE ANY LIGHTS ON. SO I'M GOING TO ASK ONE MORE QUESTION OR ASK IF YOU COULD EXPLAIN FOR THE PUBLIC THE CHAPTER 380 AGREEMENT. YEAH. CHAPTER 380 IS THE REFERENCE TO THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, RIGHT? THE STATE AND THAT AUTHORIZES MUNICIPALITIES, CITIES, GOVERNMENT TO ENTER INTO AGREEMENTS. EXCUSE ME. PERFORMANCE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS WITH PRIVATE ENTITIES TO REBATE A PORTION OF EITHER THE PROPERTY AND OR SALES TAX RIGHT IN THIS COMMUNITY. SO THIS PARTICULAR AGREEMENT AGAIN, AS ILLUSTRATED HERE, WHAT THE CORPORATION DID WAS LIKE, OKAY, WHEN THE PROJECT IS APPROVED, RIGHT, YOU'RE UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THE PROPERTY IS OWNED BY THE CORPORATION, RIGHT. 
          IT'S TAX EXEMPT. THERE IS NO REVENUE. RIGHT. SO AS A AS A RESULT OF COMMENCING DEVELOPMENT AT THIS SITE, WE'RE NOW GENERATING REVENUE, OKAY. THOSE UNITS OCCUPIED BY RESIDENTS WHO ARE NOW ELIGIBLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE TRADE MARKET, EITHER THE WORKFORCE OR CONSUMERS. BUT AS IT RELATES TO THE PROPERTY AND HOW THE INCENTIVE IS LAID OUT, IT'S A COMPLEX WAY OF INCENTIVIZING OR REBATING THE DEVELOPER'S SITE COSTS, RIGHT, BECAUSE YOU'RE PAYING A PREMIUM FOR THE THE LAND OVER AND ABOVE THE APPRAISED VALUE. AND SO MAYBE, 
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YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY, A, TO GIVE YOU THE INCENTIVE TO PERFORM. AND IF, IF AND HOW YOU DO THIS IS WHERE THE REBATE WOULD BE UNDER THAT AUTHORITY. THANK YOU. 
          COUNCILMAN KOONTZ. WORKING NOW. THANK YOU. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE JUST TO FOLLOW UP WITH THE MAYOR'S QUESTION. SO THE PURCHASE SALE AGREEMENT IS CONTINGENT UPON APPROVAL OF. 
          THE CHAPTER 380 AGREEMENT. YES. AND NORMALLY, YOU KNOW, SO THE DEVELOPER WHO IS ALSO THE BUYER, PROPOSED BUYER IN THAT TRANSACTION, YOU KNOW, HE COULDN'T BE HERE. SO DANIEL LOZANO WITH PEGASUS CONSTRUCTION CORE DEVEL IS THEIR LOCAL ENTITY STRICKEN WITH THE FLU. HE'S UNDER DOCTOR'S ADVISEMENT TO NOT APPEAR TONIGHT. WE THOUGHT THERE MIGHT BE SOMEONE FROM THE COMPANY WHO AT THE LAST MINUTE COULD COME, BUT WE DIDN'T SEE THEM PRIOR TO THE MEETING. BUT IN OUR CALLS AND PREP FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING. RESETTING THE CONVERSATION, POST JOINT MEETING, GIVING THEM THAT FEEDBACK OF THE DISCOURSE WE HAD. AND WE HAD A HEALTHY CONVERSATION. RIGHT. SO WE WERE ABLE TO SHARE THAT WITH THEM. 
          AND JUST TO CLARIFY, YEAH, THEY'RE AT A POINT WHERE THIS PROPOSAL WAS ALWAYS CONTINGENT UPON THE INCENTIVE. RIGHT. AND THERE ARE ALSO KIND OF AT A STAGE WHERE IN TERMS OF TIME SPENT IN PURSUIT OF THIS PROJECT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PREPARED TO MAKE A DECISION EITHER WAY, WANTING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT IF THE INCENTIVE IS APPROVED, IF NOT, MOVE THEIR CAPITAL, MAYBE TO ANOTHER PROJECT SITE AND SEE WHAT BECOMES. THEY ALSO HAVE ANOTHER PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT HERE IN THE CITY WHERE THEY ACTUALLY I MEAN, THEY ACQUIRE THE PROPERTY. WE DIDN'T OWN IT. SO THEY'RE GOING THROUGH A SIMILAR PROCESS WITH THE ZONING, DEVELOPMENT PLANS, ETC. SO THAT WAS THE TRANSPARENT CONVERSATIONS, NOT SPEAKING ON THEM, BUT REALLY KIND OF SHARING WHAT THE STAFF CONVERSATION HAS BEEN OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS LEADING UP TO TONIGHT'S PUBLIC HEARING. MR. MCBURNETT OH, I'M SORRY, MR. KOONTZ. YOU'RE DONE. NOT NOT QUITE, BUT, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF INCENTIVIZING A HIGHER DENSITY DEVELOPMENT IN THIS PART OF TOWN, THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT, AND WE CAN LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, ALL THE DOWNTOWN PLANS WE'VE HAD IN THE LAST TWO DECADES OR SO. AND WE CAN LOOK AT THE DEED RESTRICTIONS. IT'S WE CAN LOOK AT KIND OF THE TRENDING POPULATION GROWTH OF THE AREA THAT IT'S IT MAKES SENSE THAT WE WOULD WANT MORE DENSITY AND THAT THAT SITE, THIS IS WHAT IT WAS DESIGNED FOR. I THINK ONE OF THE QUESTIONS IS HOW MUCH MORE DENSITY AND IS IS ARE THERE ANY TRADE OFFS AS FAR AS DENSITY FOR, YOU KNOW, QUALITY OF DESIGN AND NOT JUST CONSTRUCTION QUALITY BUT ESTHETICS? DOES IT MATCH THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD? WHAT IS WHAT WILL IT LOOK LIKE? YOU KNOW, WE LOOKED AT SOME SAMPLE PRODUCTS OF THIS PARTICULAR BUILDER AND THEY WERE ALL NEW BUILDS, WHICH YOU WOULD EXPECT A NEW HOUSE OR NEW TOWNHOME TO LOOK GOOD BEFORE ANYBODY MOVES IN. BUT, YOU KNOW, ARE THERE ANY POTENTIAL TRADE OFFS IN THE LONG RUN? WHAT I SAW, I WAS IMPRESSED IN THE FACT THAT IT WAS BRAND NEW, BUT IT WAS VERY IT WAS VERY BASIC. THERE WAS NOTHING EXTRAORDINARY ABOUT IT. ARE WE INCENTIVIZING SOMETHING THAT'S WE'VE GIVEN MUCH MORE MONEY AND WE'VE INCENTIVIZED MUCH SMALLER PROJECTS FOR MUCH MORE MONEY BECAUSE THEY WERE EXCEPTIONAL PROJECTS. THEY'RE EXCEPTIONAL CONCEPTS. IT WAS A GREAT VISION BEHIND IT. WE SUPPORTED THE VISION. THERE WAS LOTS OF CONVERSATION BETWEEN THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND THE COUNCIL AND THE DEVELOPER, AND IT WAS A GREAT CONCEPT THAT THAT WAS REALIZED, AND WE GAVE A LOT MORE TO THOSE PROJECTS, EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE SMALLER PROJECTS. THIS SEEMS LIKE IT'S NOT GOING TO COST THE CITY VERY MUCH AS FAR AS WHAT WHAT WE'RE HAVING TO INVEST IN THIS. BUT SOMETIMES YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. I'LL HOLD MY COMMENTS AND LET COUNCIL MEMBER MCBURNETT SPEAK. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. MAYOR. MR. MR. GOFF, REGARDING THE 380 AGREEMENT AND THE INCENTIVES. WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT IS LAID OUT DO THEY HAVE TO DO TO EARN THE INCENTIVE BESIDES COMPLETION? IS THERE ANY THING ELSE OR ANY RESTRICTIONS? NO, THE INCENTIVE 
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IS MONETARY FRAMEWORK, RIGHT? TIED TO CERTAIN MILESTONES. ONE BEING OKAY, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE THE PERMIT TO BUILD THE PROJECT THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO GET APPROVED THROUGH THE ZONING SITE PLANNING PROCESS. RIGHT? AS THAT PRODUCT IS BUILT, LIKE WE KNOW, AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THE CURRENT VACANT CONDITION, WE KNOW THE ECONOMICS ARE FLAT, RIGHT? AND SO AS THIS BUILT ENVIRONMENT COMES ONLINE, THERE'S AN ASSESSED VALUE. THERE'S A REMITTANCE OF THE REVENUE RIGHT TO THE TAX AND ENTITIES. THIS INCENTIVE, THIS CHAPTER 380 AGREEMENT IS STRUCTURED AS SUCH THAT THAT REBATE WILL HAPPEN. RIGHT. OVER THAT COURSE AS THAT NEW INCREMENT COMES ONLINE, UP TO $70,000. RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY, OKAY. I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR THE ATTORNEY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I DON'T STEP OUT OF LINE HERE. I'VE NOT HEARD ANYTHING DURING OUR VISITS OUT THERE OR IN ANY OTHER CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT THE FINAL PRODUCT THEY'RE BUILDING IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE. SO CAN I ASK THAT QUESTION? NOT THAT QUESTION SPECIFICALLY, BUT WHO MAKES THAT DETERMINATION? WHO, WHO WHO IS GOING TO MAKE THE FINAL DETERMINATION OF WHAT THAT PRODUCT WILL LOOK LIKE? IN TERMS OF WE HAVE WE HAVE ONE SLIDE THAT WE SAW WITH, I THINK 4 OR 5 DIFFERENT. CAN YOU PUT THAT ONE BACK UP? AND WE KNOW IN TALKING TO THE DEVELOPER THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO NECESSARILY GET ANY OF THESE. 
          THEY'VE GOT TO PRICE IT FOR DUNCANVILLE. SO THAT MEANS IT'LL BE YOU WON'T MAYBE GET THREE STORIES. MAYBE YOU'LL GET TWO, I DON'T KNOW, BUT THAT PICTURE RIGHT THERE IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE. WHO MAKES THE DECISION ON WHAT THAT FINAL PRODUCT IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE WHEN WHEN IT GETS BUILT HERE. SO A LOT OF THAT REALLY HINGES ON ON THE DETAILS OF THE ZONING. 
          SO CURRENTLY THERE'S A PD THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE BACK IN 2009, JANUARY OF OH NINE. SO 17 YEARS AGO ROUGHLY. AND IN THERE IT SPECIFIES THE, THE AMOUNT OF, YOU KNOW, THE EXTERIOR, YOU KNOW, 80% OF THE FRONT FACING ON A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY NEEDS TO BE BRICK MASONRY TYPE MATERIAL, INCLUDING WINDOWS, OBVIOUSLY. AND THEN THE EXTERIOR OF OF OTHER BUILDINGS ON THE SITE THAT ARE MORE INTERIOR, YOU KNOW, THE RATIOS A LITTLE BIT LESS. IT'S 50%. IT CALLS FOR WOOD ROOF. THAT WOOD ROOF SHINGLES WOULD, WOULD BE PROHIBITED. AND THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER DETAILS THAT THAT ARE SPELLED OUT IN THE CURRENT ZONING. AND SO, AS MR. GOFF SAID EARLIER, THIS DEVELOPER WOULD LIKELY COME FORWARD WITH WITH A REZONING REQUEST TO TO MAYBE GET A LITTLE MORE DENSITY BECAUSE THE CURRENT PD ONLY ALLOWS 31 UNITS AT A BUILDING HEIGHT OF 36FT. AND SO THEY MIGHT HE MIGHT WANT TO, YOU KNOW, TRY TO GET 34 UNITS, FOR EXAMPLE. OR HE MIGHT LIVE WITHIN THE 31. YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT, WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE. BUT RIGHT NOW, THE CURRENT ZONING ALLOWS FOR 31 TOWNHOME UNITS TO BE BUILT ON THE SITE. AND WHO WOULD DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT HE COULD BUILD TO A HIGHER DENSITY. 
          SO IF HE IF HE BROUGHT FORWARD A ZONING PROPOSAL, LET'S SAY, TO GO TO 34 UNITS ON THAT ON THAT RAILROAD FLAT SITE, YOU KNOW, STAFF WOULD OBVIOUSLY REVIEW THAT AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WOULD GO TO THE PNC AND THEN ULTIMATELY COME COME TO THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          OKAY, OKAY. MR. PENNEBAKER. THANK YOU. MAYOR. MY MY COMMENTS ARE MORE ALONG THE PERSONAL SIDE OF THIS. MY MY FIRST INVOLVEMENT OR INTEREST IN WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THIS CITY WAS THE STAR CENTER AND BOB KNIGHT FIELD HOUSE, AND THEN THE MAIN STREET REDEVELOPMENT PLAN AND EVENTUALLY THE THE WHAT'S NOW THE RAILROAD FLATS. OUR FIRST HOUSE IS RIGHT ON THE CORNER THERE. AND BEFORE ALL THAT STARTED TO GET TORN DOWN, WE WOULD HAVE RATS FROM THE HOUSE THAT WAS BUILT IN THE 1800S COME ACROSS OUR TELEPHONE LINES INTO OUR PROPERTY, AND WE'D SIT ON THE BACK PORCH AND SHOOT THEM WITH THE BB GUNS. SEEING SOMETHING HAPPEN THERE AFTER 20 YEARS IS VERY ENCOURAGING. IT'S LIKE FINALLY WE'RE GETTING THERE. THE MAIN STREET REDEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS SUPPOSED TO DO THAT TOO, AND IT JUST NEVER TOOK OFF. SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I'M I'M EXCITED ABOUT. I LIKE THE PLAN AND I 
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DON'T EXPECT TO SLOW THIS DOWN OVER THE 70,000 OR. YEAH, FOR FOR THAT FOR THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY. SO THAT'S IT. AND I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. MR. KUNTZ, LIGHTS ON. 
          LET ME JUST GET BACK TO HIM. DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION? COMMENT? YES, SIR. THANK YOU. 
          MAYOR. SO. AS FAR AS THE QUESTION IS WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE, I THINK MR. GOFF HAD ALREADY STATED THAT IT'S IT'S HIGHLY CONCEPTUAL IS I BELIEVE IS WHAT WHAT HE STATED HIGHLY NOT JUST CONCEPTUAL BUT HIGHLY CONCEPTUAL. AND THEN, MR. RAUSCHER, YOU JUST SAID THAT THE BUILDER DESIRES TO INCREASE THE DENSITY. IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT THAT IS HIS DESIRE THAT THE DENSITY WOULD BE INCREASED FROM THE 29 UNITS. YEAH. WE'VE HEARD SOME INTEREST IN INCREASING IT AS HIGH AS 34. SO THAT WOULD BE AN EXTRA THREE UNITS ABOVE WHAT THE CURRENT ZONING ALLOWS. OKAY. SO WE. WE HAD A MEETING HERE RECENTLY. IT WAS A JOINT MEETING BETWEEN THE COUNCIL EDC AND THE TIFF BOARD. AND ONE OF THE TAKEAWAYS FROM THAT MEETING, AND I THINK EVERYONE AT THE TIME WAS IN AGREEMENT THAT WE SHOULD WORKSHOP CITY OWNED PROPERTIES AND DECIDE WHAT, SEE OR CDC OWNED AND CITY OWNED PROPERTIES, THAT WE SHOULD WORKSHOP THEM AND REALLY COME UP WITH A VISION FOR WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE. AND THEN WORK OUT THE STRATEGIES FOR HOW WE WOULD TRY TO REALIZE THOSE VISIONS. AND WE ALSO HAVE HIRED A CONSULTANT, THE CATALYST GROUP, I BELIEVE, TO ASSIST US IN THOSE EFFORTS. AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT WE HIRED THEM FOR. AND THIS THIS PROPERTY IS ONE OF THE PROPERTIES THAT WE DISCUSSED, IN ADDITION TO A FEW OTHERS. AS FAR AS THIS IS WHAT WE NEED, SOMEONE LIKE THE CATALYST GROUP TO HELP US STRATEGIZE. AND SO IN, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO MAKE USE OF THAT, THAT RESOURCE. I WOULD SAY WE HAD 1 OR 2 COMMENTS AS, AS THE COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVE FOR THIS DISTRICT IS THAT I WOULD IMPLORE THIS BODY TO CONSIDER TAKING ANY EXTRA TIME THAT WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THIS RIGHT. AND I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER PENNEBAKER. IT'S PRETTY EXCITING TO SEE THAT SOMETHING'S FINALLY HAPPENING. WE'RE LOOKING AT INCENTIVIZING THIS PROJECT. YOU KNOW, I WONDER WHAT. OTHER OPTIONS THERE COULD HAVE BEEN. THAT'S ALL I'LL SAY ABOUT THAT. BUT I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE INCENTIVIZING SOMETHING THAT THIS JUST. IF THIS IS THE BEST THAT WE CAN DO, AND IF IT'S THE BEST THAT WE CAN DO, THEN I GUESS IT'S THE BEST THAT WE CAN DO. IF IT'S NOT THE BEST THAT WE CAN DO, AND THERE'S SOMETHING BETTER THAT WE CAN INCENTIVIZE, I WOULD AGAIN IMPLORE THIS BODY TO CONSIDER THAT AND ALSO TO CONSIDER THE FACT, AGAIN, WE'VE HAD 1 OR 2 COMMENTS THAT THE THE RESIDENTS AROUND THAT AREA, MAYBE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF COUNCIL PENNEBAKER'S HOUSE, BUT THE RESIDENTS AROUND THAT AREA HAVE, YOU KNOW, HAVE HAVE EXPRESSED CONCERN ABOUT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT TRANSPARENCY AND WHY NOT GET THEM INVOLVED WITH THE ENVISIONING PROCESS. HAD THE PROPERTY OWNER SEEN THE DEED RESTRICTIONS YET? YOU MENTIONED THE PD. MY UNDERSTANDING FROM. AT LEAST ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY DIDN'T REALLY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE DEED RESTRICTIONS. HAS THE DEVELOPER SEEN THE DEED RESTRICTIONS? BECAUSE THAT WOULD ALSO PUT FURTHER, YOU KNOW, CONTROLS ON THE DEVELOPER CAN'T DO. YEAH, THE DEVELOPER DOES HAVE A HAVE A COPY OF THE CURRENT PD ORDINANCE FROM 2009 AND IS AWARE OF THAT. SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, AS A COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVE AND FEELING VERY COMFORTABLE ABOUT HOW AT LEAST IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA THE DISTRICT FEELS, I WOULD IMPLORE THIS COUNCIL TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA TIME TO BE ABLE TO GO BACK TO HAVE THE WORKSHOP, HAVE THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE DISCUSSED, GET CATALYSTS INVOLVED AND TRY TO GET SOMETHING THAT IS EXCEPTIONAL INSTEAD OF JUST TRYING TO GET, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WE CAN GET. AND WE DO NEED THE THE REVENUE FROM THE INCREASED DENSITY. BUT AGAIN, WHAT IS IT GOING TO LOOK LIKE LONG TERM IF IT'S JUST A 
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BEST BASIC DEVELOPMENT? THANK YOU. AND I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE. OKAY. 
          WITH THAT SAID, WE'VE GOT A MOTION TO APPROVE FROM COUNCILMAN KOONTZ. SECOND. GOT A SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN CHERRY BROWN. PLEASE VOTE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE 
          [8.E. Consider a resolution establishing the Charles F. Ladd Nature Preserve Advisory Committee, defining their scope of work, and appointing members to the committee.]
GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM E8E. CONSIDER RESOLUTION ESTABLISHING THE CHARLES F LAD NATURE PRESERVE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. THANK YOU. MAYOR BART STEVENSON, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION. WE BRIEF THIS TO YOU A FEW WEEKS AGO, SO NONE OF IT SHOULD BE MUCH OF A SURPRISE TO YOU. IT HASN'T CHANGED MUCH, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND. AS YOU KNOW, WE APPROVED THE LAD MASTER PLAN BACK IN EARLY 2025, AND I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT IT WAS A GREAT SUCCESS AND THAT SUCCESS IS REALLY DUE TO THE PROCESS THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE, AND ALSO ESTABLISHING A STEERING COMMITTEE THAT OVERSAW THAT PROCESS WITH THE CONSULTANTS AND STAFF. AND SO KUDOS TO THAT STAFF, TO THAT, TO THAT STEERING COMMITTEE. AND I ACTUALLY DID INCLUDE THEIR NAMES HERE. AND I'D LIKE TO CALL THEM OUT JUST BECAUSE, AGAIN, I DON'T THINK THEY GOT ENOUGH CREDIT FOR ALL THE WORK THAT THEY DID WITH JOE VERACRUZ, DON MCBURNETT, JEREMY KOONTZ, SAM KIESCHNICK, JIM JONES, ROBBIE ROBBINS, AND REESE EDWARDS. SO NOW WE HAVE THE MASTER PLAN IN PLACE. NOW KIND OF WHAT'S NEXT? AND SO AGAIN, KIND OF HARKENING BACK TO THE MOST RECENT SUCCESS WITH THE STEERING COMMITTEE, IT SEEMS APPROPRIATE THAT WE NOW MOVE FORWARD WITH AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO NOW SEE OVERSEE THE THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE LAD PROPERTY AND PROVIDE GUIDANCE AND RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COUNCIL ON HOW HOW BEST TO PROCEED WITH ITS DEVELOPMENT. AND YOU'LL NOTICE THAT, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THAT COMMITTEE WAS SO SUCCESSFUL WAS BECAUSE OF ITS DIVERSITY. THEY ALL HAD DIFFERENT IDEAS, DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS AS TO WHAT THEY SAW IN THE LAD PROPERTY, AND TRYING TO MAKE IT AND TRYING TO MAKE IT A NATURE RESERVE. AND SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE COMMITTEE, YOU KNOW, IT'S OUR RECOMMENDATION AGAIN, MOVE FORWARD WITH A DIVERSE GROUP, THE MASTER NATURALISTS, THEY'VE BEEN INVOLVED SINCE DAY ONE OUT AT THE NATURE PRESERVE, DOING MANUAL LABOR LITERALLY ALMOST EVERY DAY THAT DUNCANVILLE NATURE CONSERVANCY, THOSE FOLKS ARE OUT THERE TRYING TO RAISE MONEY AND RAISE AWARENESS AND SUPPORT FOR THE NATURE PRESERVE. USING THE NATURE PRESERVE, EXPERTS SUCH AS FOLKS FROM TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE, THE AUDUBON SOCIETY LAND TRUST, YOU MAY WANT TO TAP INTO YOUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS WHO HAVE GENUINE INTEREST IN THIS, SUCH AS THE PARK BOARD, PLANNING AND ZONING, CDB. AND OF COURSE, THE CITY COUNCIL AND ALSO THE LAD FAMILY. SO AND THEN LASTLY, YOU KNOW, MOST OF OUR COMMITTEES AND BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS HERE IN DUNCANVILLE HAVE SEVEN MEMBERS. SO WE WOULD ALSO RECOMMEND A SEVEN MEMBER BOARD HERE. I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T GO ANY MORE THAN NINE. SO WITH THAT TONIGHT, WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO YOU TO APPROVE THE CREATION OF THE LAD NATURE PRESERVE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE READY AT THIS TIME TO NAME THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS, BUT AFTER TALKING TO CITY ATTORNEY HAGER, WE CAN ALWAYS BRING THAT BACK TO YOU AT A FUTURE MEETING. WE CAN LOOK AT SECTION TWO, WHICH SPECIFICALLY CALLS OUT THE MEMBERS, AND WE CAN ADDRESS THAT AT A SEPARATE MEETING. SO YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THE CREATION OF THE COMMITTEE TONIGHT. IF YOU'RE NOT READY TO NAME THE MEMBERS, THAT'S OKAY. WE CAN COME BACK AND DO THAT LATER TIME. SO WITH THAT, I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE AND MOVE FORWARD FROM THERE. OKAY. I SAW THAT YOU HAD. 
          WHAT AT SOME POINT IN THIS DISCUSSION YOU MENTIONED THAT OR ON THIS, WHAT YOU HAD UP ON THE SCREEN HERE WAS THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS PEOPLE. SO IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THAT SELECTION OF RECOMMENDED NAMES HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE. NO, WE HAVE NOT. PROVIDED WE PROVIDED SOME NAMES OF FOLKS WHO HAVE BEEN INVOLVED, ONE WITH THE THE STEERING COMMITTEE OF THE OF THE MASTER PLAN. AND THEN THERE'S BEEN A FEW NAMES THAT HAVE COME FORWARD THAT WAS IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM YOU GUYS, THAT FOLKS WHO MIGHT BE INTERESTED, WHO WERE NOT INCLUDED ON THAT ORIGINAL COMMITTEE THAT YOU MAY WANT TO CONSIDER AS WELL, JUST BECAUSE THEY WERE BROUGHT FORWARD BY BY SOME OF YOU FOLKS SEPARATELY, I HAD, AT THE REQUEST OF THE CITY SECRETARY THROUGH EMAIL, I HAD ADDED TWO NAMES THAT PEOPLE WOULD REACH OUT TO ME. I DON'T KNOW THEM. ONE'S A MASTER NATURALIST AND THE OTHER ONE WORKS AT VILLAGE TECH. I'D SAY THE NAMES MICHELLE MCCLELLAND AND ELIZABETH BODINE. BODINE. OKAY, SO I ASSUME THAT LIST GOT 
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THE STAFF. IT DID SO THAT WITH THE OTHER NAMES THAT WERE SUBMITTED CORRECT. I THINK YOU SUBMITTED A COUPLE, AND THERE WERE A COUPLE OF OTHERS THAT MAY HAVE COME FORWARD AS WELL. 
          SO I TRUST THE PEOPLE THAT WILL BE MAKING THIS DECISION THAT THEY KNOW ALL OF THESE PEOPLE, AND THEY HAVE A WAY OF VETTING THEM SO THAT WHATEVER THE STAFF COMES BACK WITH IS THE RECOMMENDATION. I'M NOT IN A POSITION TO DEBATE THAT OR ARGUE WITH IT. RIGHT. I WISH I KNEW MORE ABOUT IT, BUT I DON'T. SO I'LL I'LL ENTRUST THAT TO Y'ALL MYSELF TO MAKE THAT RIGHT DECISION TO BRING THOSE TO US. AT SOME IT WOULD BE AT A LATER DATE NOW. OR DO YOU HAVE THE NAMES ALREADY? I DON'T HAVE THE NAMES RIGHT NOW. ANOTHER OPTION FOR YOU IS YOU CAN ALSO CONSIDER IS YOU CAN DO SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU DID WITH THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND THAT YOU COULD WE COULD OPEN UP AN APPLICATION PROCESS FOR THOSE WHO ARE INTERESTED AND GO THAT ROUTE AS WELL. SO AS YOU SAID EARLIER, WE'RE JUST VOTING ON THE RESOLUTION TO ESTABLISH THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, CORRECT. I JUST WANT TO ESTABLISH IT. AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO GO TO THE APPLICATION ROUTE, LIKE WE DO WITH ALL THE OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, WE CAN GO THAT WAY. 
          OR IF YOU GUYS HAVE GOT 7 TO 9 MEMBERS THAT YOU KIND OF ARE SET ON, WE CAN DO THAT TOO. 
          THANK YOU. I'M SORRY. YEP. MOTION TO APPROVE. MOTION TO APPROVE THE CREATION OF ADVISORY COMMITTEE BY COUNCILMAN MCBURNETT. SECOND SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM GOODIN. 
          PLEASE VOTE. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN DO YOU HAVE DIRECTION THAT YOU WANT US TO GO FORWARD WITH THE APPLICATION PROCESS OR BRING YOU BACK 7 TO 9 NAMES? I WILL SAY FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT, IT IS EASIER TO DO THE APPLICATION PROCESS THAT WAY. WE KNOW THOSE INDIVIDUALS ARE TRULY INTERESTED. THEY TOOK THE TIME AND THEN Y'ALL KNOW THEY'RE COMING. ALRIGHT. AND 7 OR 9, SEVEN. SEVEN, SEVEN. ALL RIGHT. YOU WILL GET CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE AND GET THAT MOVING FORWARD. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY. ITEM EIGHT F CONSIDER RESOLUTION APPROVING 
          [8.F. Consider a resolution approving funding awards for the 2nd quarter of Fiscal Year 2025-2026 City of Duncanville Arts Grant Program as recommended by the Duncanville Arts Commission.]
FUNDING FOR THE SECOND QUARTER OF FISCAL YEAR 20 2526. CITY OF DUNCANVILLE ARTS GRANT PROGRAM. 
          GOOD EVENING. MAYOR, COUNCIL CITY MANAGER ALEX HAMBY, COMMUNICATIONS AND MARKETING ADMINISTRATOR FOR THE CITY. AND I AM HERE TO SHARE THE ARTS COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATIONS WITH REGARDS TO THE SECOND QUARTER OF FISCAL YEAR 26 ART GRANT APPLICATIONS. JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND. THE APPLICATION, THE APPLICATION WINDOW WAS IN DECEMBER, AND ON JANUARY 12TH, THE ARTS COMMISSION MET AND REVIEWED ALL OF THE APPLICATIONS. 13 APPLICATIONS WERE RECEIVED AND REVIEWED, AND THE APPLICANTS ALL WERE HERE ON FEBRUARY 2ND TO PRESENT THEIR INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS TO YOU. I'M JUST GOING TO GO THROUGH THESE WHAT THEIR RECOMMENDATION WAS. SO THE CITY OF DUNCANVILLE ARTS COMMISSION PODCAST, THEY HAD THE ARTS COMMISSION HAD APPLIED FOR THIS. THEY REQUESTED $3,000. THEY RECOMMENDED $3,000. BUT MY DEPARTMENT IS OFFERED TO TAKE IT OVER AND JUST ASSIST THEM WITH THIS AS FAR AS TAKE OVER THE RESPONSIBILITY SO WE CAN KEEP THE MONEY IN THE FUND. WE'VE GOT THE EQUIPMENT WE CAN HELP WITH, HELP THEM WITH THE EDITING. SO WE'VE ACTUALLY I'M HAVE REDUCED THAT THROUGH A RECOMMENDATION OF TO ZERO TO SAVE THAT MONEY. DERBY HAT PARTY. THE REQUESTED AMOUNT WAS $8,500, AND THE ARTS COMMISSION RECOMMENDED $1,500 FOR THIS. THE ONCE UPON A TIME WITH THE DSO CELLIST, THE REQUESTED AMOUNT WAS $3,000. THE ARTS COMMISSION RECOMMENDED 3000, THE DUNCANVILLE POET LAUREATE, THE ARTS COMMISSION, APPLIED FOR THIS. THEY REQUESTED 3500. 
          THEY RECOMMEND 3500 EMPOWERMENT THROUGH BALLET. THE REQUESTED AMOUNT WAS 5000. ARTS COMMISSION RECOMMENDED 5000. HE THAT FINDS A WIFE FIND ME. THE REQUESTED AMOUNT WAS $10,000. 
          ARTS COMMISSION RECOMMENDS $8,000. LETTERING, ART AND DESIGN WORKSHOP. THE REQUESTED AMOUNT WAS $25,200. THE ARTS COMMISSION RECOMMENDED $2,100, WHICH WOULD COVER ONE OF ONE OF THE CLASSES, THE MAYA ANGELOU LITERARY FESTIVAL. THE REQUESTED AMOUNT WAS $3,000. 
          THEY RECOMMENDED $3,000 PIECES OF US, A DUNCANVILLE MOSAIC. THE REQUESTED AMOUNT WAS $3,000. 
          THE ARTS COMMISSION RECOMMENDS FUNDING IT FOR $3,000. TYLER AGEE WAS HERE DURING THAT PRESENTATION, HE MET WITH THE PRESENTER AND SAID THAT THEY WANTED TO SUPPLEMENT IT. THE 
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PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT WANTS TO SUPPLEMENT THAT, SO THEY CAN GET MATERIALS TO PUT THIS MOSAIC OUTSIDE, AND THEY ALSO WANT TO GIVE THEM THE SPACE TO BUILD IT. SPRING STREET SHOPPING AND MUSIC EXPERIENCE. THE REQUESTED AMOUNT WAS 3500. ARTS COMMISSION RECOMMENDS FUNDING IT FOR $3,000, CONTINGENT ON A DIFFERENT DATE, THAT THEY SELECT A DIFFERENT DATE FOR THE EVENT. AND I BELIEVE WHEN SHE PRESENTED, SHE DID SAY THAT SHE WOULD MOVE THE DATE. AND THEN SUPERFLY REQUESTED AMOUNT WAS $10,000. THE ARTS COMMISSION RECOMMENDS 2000 CITY IN MOTION REQUESTED AMOUNT WAS $10,000. THEY RECOMMEND FUNDED IT FOR 3000, AND THE VITA IMPACT LAB. THE REQUESTED AMOUNT WAS $20,000. THEY WERE FIRST TIME APPLICANT, SO THE RECOMMENDED WAS $3,000. THE TOTAL REQUESTED AMOUNT WAS $107,700. THE AVAILABLE BUDGET IS $74,000. THE ARTS COMMISSION RECOMMENDED $40,100 IN FUNDING. ADJUSTING FOR THE PODCAST, THAT COMES DOWN TO 37,100, AND AFTER THE ENCUMBER, IT WOULD BE 36,900. WITH TWO MORE CYCLES TO GO FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR. DOING THE SIMPLE MATH, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ABOUT ONLY ABOUT $15,000 FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE. ROUGHLY ABOUT OKAY. MISTER PENNEBAKER. THANK YOU. MAYOR, JUST ONE QUESTION. AS FAR AS THE GRANTS WHEN WE AWARDED THEM, WHAT WHAT IS OUR FOLLOW UP AS FAR AS THEM USING THEM AND THEN REIMBURSING THEM TO THE ACCOUNT IF THEY'RE UNUSED. SO I'M SORRY, I'M THE FOLLOW UP FROM THIS IS I WILL NOTIFY THEM. THEY HAVE TO ACCEPT IT, AND THEN THEY HAVE TO TURN IN A REPORT WITHIN 45 DAYS OF THE EVENT OR THE PROJECT DATE THAT IS STATED IN THE APPLICATION, OR THEY HAVE TO MAINTAIN SOME COMMUNICATION WITH REGARDS TO WHAT THEY'RE DOING. OKAY, SO THESE ALL HAVE HARD DATES ON THEM OR A MONTH OR SOMETHING ON THE APPLICATION. 
          THEY ALL PUT A DATE WHEN THE PROJECT SHOULD BE EITHER HAPPENING OR COMPLETED. OKAY. 
          THE FIRST SERIES, THERE WERE SOME THAT ARE A LITTLE AMBIGUOUS ABOUT THE WIN. SO THEN THAT MONEY WOULD GO BACK INTO IT IF IT'S UNUSED, OR WE ADDRESS SOME OF THAT IN THE NEXT ITEM. PERFECT. DO. THIS WAS ALL DISCUSSED IN AN OPEN MEETING WITH ARTS COMMISSION ON DETERMINING HOW MUCH, BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE GOT WHAT THEY ASKED FOR, SOME PEOPLE GOT. THERE IS A RECORDING OF THE MEETING. IT IS OUT ON YOUTUBE. YES, THEY DO DISCUSS IT IN PRETTY, PRETTY GOOD IN DEPTH DISCUSSIONS ON THIS TOPIC. TO VET EACH ONE OF THE APPLICATIONS, ASK ALL THE QUESTIONS. THEY DON'T DO IT IN FRONT OF THE APPLICANTS BECAUSE THEY WANT TO JUDGE IT BASED ON THE APPLICATION AND WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS PRESENTED TO THEM THROUGH THAT APPLICATION. OKAY, MISS GOODEN, THANK YOU MAYOR, JUST IN CASE SOMEONE IS LISTENING AND MAY HAVE A QUESTION ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT THE MAYOR JUST ASKED IF ONE REQUESTED 10,000 IS THEIR FIRST EVENT, BUT YOU ONLY FUNDED 2000 OR 3000. HOW DO YOU MAKE THAT DETERMINATION OF WHAT YOU FUND? IS IT BASED ON IF THIS IS THEIR FIRST EVENT OR IF THEY'VE SUCCESSFULLY HAD AN EVENT HERE IN DUNCANVILLE, THEN THEY WOULD RECEIVE MORE BECAUSE THEY HAVE HAD A SUCCESSFUL EVENT HERE IN DUNCANVILLE AND MET THE REQUIREMENTS. SO WHAT DETERMINATIONS DO YOU USE TO DETERMINE THE AMOUNT? SO ONE, THEY ARE DEFINITELY USING WHAT THEY ARE APPLYING FOR. SO IF THEY'RE A FIRST TIME APPLICANT, THERE ARE CERTAIN LIMITS WITH REGARDS TO WHAT THE WHAT THEY ARE STATING THAT THEY ARE APPLYING FOR, WHICH ONE OF THE THREE CATEGORIES, IF IT'S A FIRST TIME APPLICANT OR A RETURNING APPLICANT, IF THEY'VE TURNED IN A REPORT, WHAT THAT REPORT SAYS. AND AT THIS POINT WE'VE RECEIVED FOUR REPORTS BACK, AND THEN THEY BASICALLY ARE JUDGING IT BASED ON ITEMS THAT THEY SEE IN THE REPORT, ITEMS THAT THEY SEE IN THE APPLICATION AND USING THEIR BEST JUDGMENT. BECAUSE THIS IS ALSO THEIR THIRD CYCLE OF DOING THIS. THANK YOU. SURE. MR. PENNYBAKER, YOUR LIGHT STILL ON? OKAY, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. OKAY. WE'VE GOT A MOTION TO APPROVE BY MAYOR PRO TEM GOODEN, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN JERRY BROWN. PLEASE VOTE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. NOW WE'RE GOING TO GO TO ITEM EIGHT 
          [8.G. Consider a resolution adopting the Arts Funding Policy and Grant Guidelines Revision]
G. CONSIDER RESOLUTION ADOPTING ARTS FUNDING POLICY AND GRANT GUIDELINES REVISIONS. THANK YOU. 
          SO WE'VE NOW BEEN THROUGH THREE GRANT CYCLES. AND FROM THE VERY FIRST ONE AND THROUGH THE LAST 
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TWO A LOT OF QUESTIONS WERE ASKED. A LOT OF WE SOME WEAK SPOTS WERE FOUND AND SOME NEEDS TO IMPROVE. THE POLICY CAME TO LIGHT. SO THE ORIGINAL POLICY WAS ADOPTED IN JUNE 3RD, 2025. 
          AND WE HAVEN'T EVEN GONE THROUGH FOUR CYCLES YET. BUT AS FOR AS FAR AS THE FIRST MEETING WHERE THE ARTS COMMISSION VETTED APPLICATIONS, BRINGING THOSE APPLICATIONS BEFORE THIS BODY AND THEN TAKING WHAT WAS LEARNED FROM JUST THAT EXPERIENCE TOLD US THERE WERE ALREADY SOME THINGS THAT WE HAD TO DO TO TO BEEF UP THIS, THIS POLICY. THEN WE WENT THROUGH TWO MORE. WE WENT THROUGH TWO MORE, AND THERE WERE TWO. THERE WERE MORE QUESTIONS, MORE THINGS THAT NEEDED TO BE SOLVED IN THE IN THE POLICY AND HOW WE'RE COMMUNICATING WITH APPLICANTS, WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS ARE AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. SO SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS ARE WE EXPANDED ELIGIBILITY. WE HAD APPLICANTS WHO ARE APPLYING FROM OUTSIDE OF DUNCANVILLE. THE OLD POLICY DID NOT ALLOW THEM TO APPLY AND RECEIVE A GRANT. THEY WERE APPLYING TO DO THINGS WITHIN THE CITY. SO THE ARTS COMMISSION DETERMINED OR OR RAISED THE QUESTION, SHOULD WE BE PROHIBITING THESE PEOPLE FROM APPLYING WHEN THIS EVENT COULD BENEFIT THE CITY THEY WANTED? DEFINITELY PROJECT TIMING. THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT TIMING THEIR PROJECTS SO CLOSE TO THE DECISION PROCESS THAT THEY CAN'T EVEN DO IT. THEY WANT MORE TIME. AND THEN THEY WANTED TO BASICALLY EMPHASIZE THAT THE ARTS COMMISSION, THE CITY COUNCIL, THE CITY OF DUNCANVILLE, SHOULD NOT BE THE PRIMARY FUNDING SOURCE FOR YOUR PROJECT, FOR YOUR EVENT. IT SHOULD SUPPLEMENT WHAT YOU'RE DOING. SO THERE IS AN ENHANCED APPLICATION STANDARDS YOU NEED TO PUT IN THE SPECIFIC DATE, WHICH IS ALREADY IN THEIR BUDGET REQUIRED. THE ARTS COMMISSION IS VERY VIGILANT ABOUT KEEPING AN EYE OUT FOR THAT BUDGET. THEY WANT TO SEE WHAT THEY'RE PLANNING TO SPEND THE MONEY ON. PRIOR GRANTEES COMPLETE PROJECTS, AND SUBMIT REPORTS. THEY WANT THOSE REPORTS. THE RECIPIENTS NOW MUST FORMALLY, AS PER THIS POLICY, THEY MUST FORMALLY ACCEPT THE MONEY. WE'RE NOT JUST GOING TO DEFAULT, SEND IT TO THEM. THEY MIGHT NOT WANT THAT AMOUNT. THAT AMOUNT MAY NOT COVER WHAT THEY'RE WANTING TO DO. SO WE WANT THEM TO ACCEPT THE AMOUNT. OTHERWISE THE THEY DON'T TAKE THE MONEY, THEY CAN REAPPLY. THEY CAN REAPPLY AGAIN. AND THEN NONRESPONSE WE'RE JUST GOING TO ACCEPT THAT AS A AS THEM DECLINING CANCELED PROJECTS, WE DID HAVE A PROJECT THAT DID GET CANCELED. THE APPLICANT RETURNED THE MONEY, BROUGHT THE MONEY THAT CHECK BACK UNSPENT. SHE QUALIFIES TO REAPPLY AND THEN FAILURE TO REPORT RETURNED FUNDS OR NOTIFIED PERMANENT INELIGIBILITY. WE NEED TO GET THAT SO THAT WE CAN BUILD THIS AND PROTECT IT AND BUILD THIS. THE MOST OF THE CORE STAYED THE SAME. THE THREE GRANT CATEGORIES, THE FUNDING LIMITS AND QUARTERLY GRANT CYCLE SCHEDULE, THE EVALUATION CRITERIA AND THEN THE, YOU KNOW, STAYING WITHIN THE TAX CODE FOR THE HOT FUNDS. QUESTIONS COUNCIL. IF NOT, GO RIGHT AHEAD. COUNCILMAN MCBURNETT. THANK YOU MAYOR. MR. HAMBY, I WANT TO THANK YOU IN THE ARTS COMMISSION AGAIN FOR FOR LOOKING AT ALL THIS STUFF BECAUSE IT IS BRAND NEW. SO SO WE ARE GOING THROUGH GROWING PAINS AND AND STUFF. SO I'M GOING TO MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE. OKAY. I'VE GOT A MOTION TO APPROVE BY COUNCILMAN MCBURNETT. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN PENNYBAKER. PLEASE VOTE. THANK YOU. OKAY. ITEM EIGHT. H. CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE REPEALING AND REPLACING SECTION 16 DASH 
          [8.H. Consider an ordinance repealing and replacing Section 16A-39, “Murals,” of Ordinance No. 1909, § 1, 10-5-04, to remove restrictions on branded content and business identification in murals]
16, A DASH 39 MURALS. THANK YOU AGAIN. SO YOU JUST SAW THIS A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO. WE BROUGHT THIS BACK TO CHANGE THE APPROVAL PROCESS TO REPLACE KEEP DUNCANVILLE BEAUTIFUL WITH THE ARTS COMMISSION. AND NOW I AM BRINGING IT BACK AGAIN TO MAKE ONE MORE CHANGE, WHICH IS TO REMOVE THE PROHIBITION ON BRANDED PRODUCTS TO ALLOW BRANDS LOGOS AND SUCH INTO A MURAL. THE REST OF IT IS PRETTY MUCH STAYING THE SAME. THE ARTS COMMISSION WILL STILL REVIEW AND RECOMMEND THOSE. THE MURALS. THE PROPOSED MURALS WILL STILL COME TO THE CITY COUNCIL, AND ALL CONSTRUCTION AND MAINTENANCE STANDARDS THAT WERE A PART OF THE MURAL ORDINANCE FOREVER. OKAY, I DON'T WANT TO. OVERLY EXCITE SOMEBODY BY THE STATEMENT I'M ABOUT TO MAKE, BUT. IN THE SIGN ORDINANCE, THERE'S A DEFINITION FOR A SIGN, AND I'M REALLY STRETCHING WHAT 
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IT SAYS. BUT IN ESSENCE, A PORTION SAYS A SIGN IS ANYTHING THAT IS IS MEANT TO DRAW ATTENTION FOR GOODS AND WARES AT A, AT A PARTICULAR BUSINESS. OKAY. SO THAT RIGHT NOW, AS IT STANDS, WOULD INCLUDE A MURAL. AND UNLESS THERE'S LANGUAGE IN THAT SECTION THAT SAYS EXCEPT MURALS, YOU MIGHT HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A PROBLEM WITH A CONFLICT BETWEEN THE TWO ORDINANCES. SO IF THAT HASN'T BEEN ADDRESSED, I'D ADVISE THAT THAT SOMEONE TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. AND THEN SECONDLY, NOW HERE'S WHERE I MAY I'M GOING TO USE A WORD, BUT I DON'T MEAN IT ABOUT MURALS. SIGN CLUTTER. SIGN CLUTTER IN DUNCANVILLE HAS ALWAYS BEEN CAREFULLY MONITORED TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE BUILDING WITHIN THE REQUIREMENTS, UNLESS THEY GET A VARIANCE. OKAY, WHEN SOMEONE DOES THAT, THEY'RE RESTRICTED TO THE AMOUNT OF SIGNAGE THEY CAN HAVE ON THEIR BUILDING. SO WHETHER IT'S A SIGN THAT'S PAINTED ON THEIR BUILDING, NOT A MURAL, WHETHER IT'S A HAND SIGN OR LETTERS, WHATEVER, WHATEVER THE ADVERTISING IS BUILDING, THEY HAVE A MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE THEY CAN PUT ON THERE. BUT WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING HERE ABOUT A MURAL, YOU'RE GIVING SOMEBODY A HUGE ADVANTAGE OVER THOSE PEOPLE THAT JUST ARE LIMITED TO THE CANNED SIGNS. SO RIGHT NOW, AS IT STANDS, I PERSONALLY WOULD HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT BECAUSE OF THE ADVANTAGE. I'M NOT AGAINST MURALS, BUT PUTTING BRAND NAMES ON IT, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S THAT PARTICULAR STORE OR SOMETHING THAT STORE SELLS, REALLY PUTS HIM AT AN ADVANTAGE WAY BEYOND WHAT THE STRICT LIMITS OF SIGN REGULATIONS ARE CURRENTLY FOR EVERY OTHER BUSINESS. SO I'LL JUST MAKE THAT COMMENT. AND ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL? YES, I JUST HAVE ONE. I JUST HAVE ONE CLARIFICATION. CITY ATTORNEY BACK ME UP OTHERWISE. BUT I UNDERSTAND IN THIS THIS CHANGE THE ORDINANCE. SO IF LET'S JUST SAY AN EXAMPLE, LET'S SAY IT'S MCDONALD'S THAT GETS THE MURAL. IF THEY PUT MCDONALD'S ON THE MURAL, THAT'S OKAY. BUT IT CAN'T BE OFF SITE. SO LIKE THEY COULDN'T PUT LIKE HILTON GARDEN INN IN THERE. IT WOULD ONLY HAVE TO PERTAIN TO THE ACTUAL BUSINESS, THEIR BUSINESS, ONLY THEY COULDN'T PUT ANOTHER BUSINESS'S LOGO IN THAT MURAL. AND I THINK THAT'S CALLED OFF SITE. CORRECT? YOU'RE CORRECT. YES. THAT'S NOT WHAT I HEARD YOU TALKING ABOUT THOUGH. 
          YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BUSINESS AT THAT LOCATION CAN DO BRANDING WITHIN THE WITHIN THE MURAL. YES. BUT I BELIEVE THAT WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT ACTUALLY CLARIFIES MORE OF MY UNDERSTANDING EVEN. YEAH, BUT HE HE'S TALKING. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING DIFFERENT BECAUSE THIS ISN'T ABOUT OFF SITE. THIS IS ABOUT ON SITE. AND AGAIN, GOING BACK TO MY DEFINITION OF A SIGN, IT'S THAT WHICH DRAWS OR ATTRACTS TO THAT LOCATION. IT DRAWS ATTENTION TO THAT. AND THAT BEING THE CASE, IF IF I WAS GOING TO PAINT A SIGN, I WASN'T GOING UNDER THE MURAL ORDINANCE, BUT I DIDN'T HAVE THE MONEY FOR A CAN SIGN, BUT I'M ALLOWED TO PAINT A SIGN. 
          I'VE GOT X NUMBER OF SQUARE FEET I'M LIMITED TO, BUT IF I DO A MURAL, WHICH A LOT OF PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD, THAT YOU CAN NOW HAVE A HUGE SIGN, BECAUSE EVERY ELEMENT OF THAT SIGN, NOT JUST THE LETTERS OF THE OF THE BUSINESS, BUT EVERYTHING NOW BECOMES PART OF THE SIGN, IN MY OPINION, TO THE EXTENT THAT IT NOW IS. IT CAN BE A WHOLE SIDE OF A BUILDING, WHEREAS SOMEBODY THAT WANTS TO PUT A CAN SIGN UP COULD NEVER PUT ONE UP THAT BIG, NOR WOULD THEY WANT TO. SO I JUST, I JUST DON'T WANT TO TAKE AWAY THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR ALL BUSINESSES TO BE ABLE TO ADVERTISE EQUALLY. AND THIS IDEA SEEMS TO PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES TO CREATE A MUCH LARGER SIGN BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO CONTROL, LET'S JUST SAY THAT IT'S NOT A PRODUCT, BUT IT'S A STORE ITSELF, AND THEY WANT TO MAKE IT AS BIG AS WALL TO WALL. WELL, NO ONE ELSE IN TOWN CAN DO THAT. BUT BECAUSE IT'S A MURAL THAT THAT OPPORTUNITY EXISTS. AND I THINK THAT'S KIND OF AN UNFAIR OPPORTUNITY FOR BUSINESSES. I LOVE MURALS, I LOVE WHAT YOU ALL ARE DOING. I'VE ALREADY SEEN THE MURAL GOING UP AT CHELSEA. I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA, BUT I DON'T WANT TO TAKE AWAY THE FAIRNESS OF ATTRACTING BUSINESSES WITH SIGNS. WHEN A MURAL CAN BE MUCH LARGER THAN ANY OTHER SIGN IN TOWN. I THINK THE ONLY THING THAT I COULD ADD FROM MY VANTAGE POINT IS THAT THERE IS STILL A REVIEW PROCESS THAT INCLUDES THE ARTS COMMISSION, WHICH IS GOING TO JUDGE IT BASED ON ITS ARTISTIC MERITS, AND THEN CITY COUNCIL, WHICH CAN JUDGE IT FOR ALL OF THE OTHER ASPECTS OF THAT MURAL, INCLUDING THAT. BUT YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF POINT TO YES, I'M SORRY. I JUST WANTED 
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TO KIND OF HELP CLARIFY AND TOUCH ON THE DISCUSSION HERE. SO THE INTENTION OF THIS CHANGE WAS, AS ICM ABERNATHY SAID, YOU KNOW, WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO ALLOW MURALS TO HAVE THE BUSINESS NAME IN IT, NOT NECESSARILY LOGOS AND THAT SORT OF THING. WE WORKED WITH CITY ATTORNEY HAGER TO MODIFY THE SIGN ORDINANCE SO THAT BUSINESS NAMES COULD BE INCLUDED ON THE SIDE OF THAT EXISTING BUSINESS. AND AS ICM ABERNATHY SAID, WE DON'T WANT TO ENCOURAGE OR ALLOW OFF SITE, YOU KNOW, BUSINESS NAMES. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE THE EXAMPLE HE GAVE, IF IF YOU HAVE A MCDONALD'S AND THEY WANT TO PUT A HILTON LOGO OR SIGN ON THE SIDE OF MCDONALD'S, THAT THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE ALLOWED. AND WORKING WITH ATTORNEY HAGER, THAT'S THAT'S THE WAY THAT THIS CHANGES. IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE. AND LOOK, I'M NOT I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY I'M SMARTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE IN THIS ROOM ABOUT THIS ISSUE, BUT I SEE A PROBLEM THAT STILL EXISTS THAT HASN'T BEEN ADDRESSED. AND I UNDERSTAND THIS IS KIND OF A SHOCKER THAT I'M PUTTING THIS OUT THERE, BUT WHEN I READ IT, I SAW IT RIGHT AWAY. SO IF I HAVE A BUSINESS AND I HAVE ANOTHER BUSINESS NEXT TO ME, I'M GOING TO BE LIMITED TO, LET'S SAY, 30 SQUARE FOOT SIGN. BUT IF I MAKE IT A MURAL, I CAN PUT A 60 SQUARE FOOT SIGN UP, AND THERE'S NOTHING IN THERE THAT SAYS THAT MOST OF THE MURAL CAN'T BE THE NAME OF THE BUSINESS. SO I'M JUST I'M JUST SAYING, IN FAIRNESS. I JUST THINK WE MISSED THAT ONE. BUT I'M JUST ONE PERSON, OKAY, MISS. MISS GOODEN. THANK YOU. MAYOR, I BELIEVE THE MAYOR BROUGHT UP SOME GOOD POINTS AND MAYBE CITY MANAGER, STAFF AND CITY ATTORNEY CAN GET TOGETHER TO ADDRESS THAT. BUT WHAT WHAT BROUGHT THIS ABOUT. AND I'M SURE COUNCIL EVERYBODY READ THE PACKET. THERE WAS AN ITEM APPROVED AND BROUGHT BEFORE US. AND WE LIKED WHAT WE SAW AND WE APPROVED IT BY COUNCIL. AND IT WAS ALSO A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE ARTS COMMISSION THAT LEND ITSELF TOWARDS DEVELOPING THE ARTS HERE IN OUR CITY AND GROWING IT. AND THERE WAS A AN OBSTACLE THAT ONCE WE APPROVED IT, THE REQUESTER WAS TRYING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT. 
          BUT THERE WERE SOME INTERNAL OBSTACLES THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED. SO WITH THAT IN MIND, AND WHAT THE MAYOR HAS MENTIONED TODAY, IF I COULD SUGGEST THAT STAFF GET WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY AND CREATE THAT LANGUAGE THAT'S NEEDED TO MAKE THIS POSSIBLE. ALSO WITH THAT, CONSIDER OUR INTERNAL PROCESSES. SO WHEN ITEMS COME TO THE ARTS COMMISSION, THERE IS SOME TYPE OF CONVERSATION AMONGST DEPARTMENTS. SO THAT WAY IT PREVENTS US FROM COMING HERE. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION MOVING FORWARD. CITY ATTORNEY IS THAT FINE. 
          YEAH OKAY. IT'S UNDERSTANDABLE. SO DO WE WANT TO TABLE THIS NOW AND THEN BRING IT BACK ONCE YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO OKAY I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE OKAY. WE'VE GOT A MOTION TO TABLE BY MAYOR PRO TEM GOODEN. SECOND SECOND BY COUNCILMAN VERA CRUZ. PLEASE VOTE. THANK 
          [8.I. Consider a resolution approving a mural at Xela Bistro, 1117 S. Main Street, Duncanville, TX 75137.]
YOU. OKAY. ITEM EIGHT I CONSIDER RESOLUTION APPROVING A MURAL AT CELLO BISTRO. OKAY, SO SHAYLA BISTRO SUBMITTED A PERMIT REQUEST OR A APPLICATION FOR A PERMIT FOR THE MURAL THAT IS DISPLAYED IN FRONT OF YOU. THE ARTS COMMISSION HAS REVIEWED IT, AND THEY DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL AND RELEASE OF THE PERMIT. AND NOW IT IS BEING BROUGHT TO YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. I GOT A MOTION TO APPROVE. I GOT A MOTION TO APPROVE BY MAYOR PRO TEM GOODEN, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN PENNEBAKER. SOUND LIKE, SOUND LIKE BOB HAGER RIGHT NOW? YEAH. SO NO GOOD CATCH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, EVERYBODY GET THAT. SO WE WE WE VOTED. AND WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO FIX THAT I THINK. AND YOUR EMOTIONS. OH MA'AM. SO 
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ITEM H WE'RE REPEALING REPLACING. BUT WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT YET. RIGHT. SO. OH. THIS DOESN'T STOP THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE THEY'RE DONE WITH THEIR MURAL. RIGHT. YES, SIR. 
          INQUIRING. OKAY. SO WHAT DO WE DO TO UNDO THE VOTE? YOU CAN. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO AMEND THE MOTION TO TABLE THIS ITEM AFTER APPROVAL OF ITEM A, EIGHT. OKAY. AND MR. PENNYBAKER, YOU SECONDED AND YOUR APPROVING OF THE WITHDRAWING OF THE MOTION. OKAY. OKAY. SO NOW WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE VOTING TO ACCEPT THE WITHDRAWAL OF THE MOTION. THAT. CORRECT. ALL RIGHT. PLEASE VOTE. 
          THANK YOU. YEAH, YEAH. 
          GOOD TO GO. YEAH OKAY. I HAD TO DOUBLE CHECK BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THE TIME 833. AND UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER BUSINESS, WE ARE ADJOURNED AT
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.