5.A. Arts and Business Mixers in collaboration with the Duncanville Community and Economic Development Corporation, presented by Interim Director of Economic Development Marlon Goff.

[5.A. Arts and Business Mixers in collaboration with the Duncanville Community and Economic Development Corporation, presented by Interim Director of Economic Development Marlon Goff.]

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HEARING NONE, WE WILL MOVE ON TO BRIEFINGS AND PRESENTATIONS. FIRST, WE HAVE ARTS AND BUSINESS MIXERS IN COLLABORATION WITH THE COMMUNITY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

AND WE HAVE MISTER MALANGA THAT'S DOING A PRESENTATION FOR US. MISTER GOUGH. YES. SO ONE OF THE CONVERSATIONS WAS HAD WAS THE ARTS COMMISSION'S INTEREST IN CONTINUING TO DO THE ARTS AND BUSINESS MIXERS. YES. THE LAST ONE THAT YOU DID AT SHEILA BISTRO. YES. THERE STARTED TO BE SOME CONVERSATIONS BECAUSE THERE WAS A LOT MORE PEOPLE FROM DC EDC THERE IN ATTENDANCE, AND THEY REALLY GOT EXCITED AND WANTED TO FIND SOME WAY TO COLLABORATE.

I WON'T SAY IT WAS MAJORITY OF THEM, BUT THERE WAS SOME TALK FROM MEMBERS. SO MARLON AND I GOT TOGETHER AND TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT TO FIGURE OUT A WAY THAT THE TWO BODIES COULD COME TOGETHER, AND IT COULD TRULY BE ARTS AND BUSINESS HAVING THESE MIXTURES TOGETHER, TEAMING UP, COLLABORATING. AND THAT LED TO MARLON DECIDING TO COME IN TODAY TO SEE IF WE CAN GET THIS GOING TO THE NEXT STEP AND BRING THOSE ARTS AND BUSINESS MIXERS BACK IN THIS NEXT INCARNATION. YES. YEAH. THANKS, ALEX. SO, LIKE WHAT YOU SAID THIS THIS CONVERSATION STARTED AND WHILE THE AGENDA SAYS A PRESENTATION BY MARLON GOUGH, REALLY IT WAS AN INVITATION TO THAT WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT MAYBE WHAT SOUNDS LIKE SOME MUTUAL INTEREST AMONG THE THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STAFF. I PLAN TO HAVE A SUBSEQUENT DISCUSSION WITH THE DCC BOARD NEXT MONTH AT OUR NEXT MEETING, ABOUT INTEREST THAT I BELIEVE IS THERE, BUT REALLY SOME OPPORTUNITIES OF HOW WE CAN BETTER LEVERAGE ART AS A TOOL FOR STIMULATING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND SPECIFICALLY MORE INVESTMENT IN THIS COMMUNITY. AND SO HE'S RIGHT. IT CAME ON THE HEELS OF ONE OF THE FIRST EVENTS, YOU KNOW, SPONSORED BY THE ARTS COMMISSION THAT I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN.

AND I WAS COMPLIMENTARY. RIGHT. AND THEN HE REMINDED ME THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WERE DOING THESE PROGRAMMATICALLY A COUPLE YEARS AGO. RIGHT? SO I THINK THERE'S INTEREST THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION ABOUT A WAY FOR US TO RESUME THAT, YOU KNOW, INTENTIONAL ACTIVITY OF DOING THAT. SO THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, HE INVITED ME TO THE TABLE. I WANTED TO KIND OF HAVE THE CONVERSATION WITH MANY OF YOU MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE BEEN INVOLVED A FEW YEARS AGO WHEN WE WERE DOING THOSE, SO THAT THEN I CAN BRING THAT INTELLIGENCE, THAT THOUGHT BACK.

ALEX AND I AND DEVIN WILL CONTINUE TO WORK ON, YOU KNOW, HOW THAT COULD LOOK FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS YEAR. BUT JUST IN THE AGAIN, THE CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD, WE HAVE IDENTIFIED THIS TYPE OF ACTIVITY, RIGHT, THAT I WANT TO DO ONE EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, AS WE WERE PREPARING FOR THIS CONVERSATION, AND I THINK BACK TO THE EVENT YOU DID HISTORICALLY, THEY WERE ALSO AT, YOU KNOW, WE'LL SAY NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL CENTERS, WHERE WE HAD SEEN SOME RECENT INVESTMENT WITH NEW BUSINESSES. AND SO IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE COMMERCIAL LEASING AGENTS AND BROKERS TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE COULD LEVERAGE THIS, THIS CULTURE OF ARTS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, CULTIVATE AND EXPAND HERE LOCALLY. BUT, YOU KNOW, TO USE THAT AS A AS A BUSINESS ATTRACTION TOOL, AS AN INVESTMENT TOOL. SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT I'M INTERESTED IN, HAVING MORE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE STAFF IN THIS, IN THIS GROUP, THIS BOARD, THIS COMMISSION ABOUT DOING MAYBE AS SOON AS THE SPRING, THE SUMMER. I KNOW WE WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT DEFINITELY BEING PREPARED AROUND THE HOLIDAY SEASON. AND DEVIN WILL TELL YOU, YOU KNOW, THE EVENTS, THE SOONER YOU CAN GET STARTED AND THINKING AND PLANNING THEM THE BETTER. SO. I EXCUSE ME, WHY DID YOU ALL STOP? I DON'T KNOW, I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DURING MY SHORT TENURE ON THE BOARD, AND IT WAS A COUPLE OF YEARS. I JUST DON'T REMEMBER HOW THAT PROGRAM CAME TO BE. I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW IF ALL OF YOU WERE STILL SEATED, THIS COMMISSION, WHEN WE WERE DOING THAT, I WOULD I WOULD HAVE THE SAME QUESTION FOR YOU. WE'VE ONLY BEEN SEATED THREE YEARS, AND WHEN WE STARTED UNDER RON THOMPSON, OUR FIRST ONE WAS SMOKEY DEE'S AT CHRISTMAS. AND WE DID WE HAD ARTISTS AND EVERYTHING, AND WE ALSO COLLECTED FOOD AND TOYS.

AND THEN WE DID ANOTHER ONE. I FORGOT WE DID FOUR, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT I KNOW WE DID

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DIFFERENT ONES, BUT WE DID ONE AT TEXAS BURGER AND THE PINK YOLK BECAUSE THEY WERE SIDE BY SIDE. TEXAS BURGER PROVIDED THE FOOD. PINK YOLK WAS TO PROMOTE THOSE BUSINESSES. AND THEN THEN THERE WAS THE KINGSMEN AND THE BODEGA BODEGA AND AND SO TO LET PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THEIR, THEIR THE BUSINESSES AND WHAT'S GOING ON AND IT WAS GOOD. AND THEN SHAYLA'S. YEAH. SO I'M THINKING LIKE AND WE ALSO DID ONE HERE HISPANIC HISPANIC HERITAGE. WE DID A BASE STATION. YEAH. THAT MAIN STATION. SO WE'LL SAY AT LEAST 3 OR 4 OF THOSE LOCATIONS YOU MENTIONED. THEY'RE ALSO LOCAL BUSINESSES THAT YOU SUPPORTED VIA SIGNED GRANT OR SOME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE GRANT. AS PART OF THEM OPENING THEIR BUSINESSES IN THIS COMMUNITY. SO I COULD SEE THAT NATURAL ALIGNMENT OR WE WOULD DO THAT. WHAT WHAT YEAR YOU MENTIONED CHRISTMAS 2024 23. THE FIRST YEAR WE STARTED 20. IT WAS CHRISTMAS 24TH, 2024. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH.

AND THAT ONE WAS YEAH. AT SMOKEY D'S AND THE LOUNGE DAY DRINK LOUNGE. OKAY. AND WE WERE ALWAYS LOOKING AT BUSINESSES THAT TIFFANY WHITE WAS SORT OF COORDINATING A LOT OF THAT, BUT LOOKING AT BUSINESSES THAT ARE CLOSE TOGETHER AND THAT WE COULD COLLABORATE AND UTILIZE AND PROMOTE BOTH OF THEM. YEAH. THERE WAS SOME INTEREST IN OTHER BUSINESSES WANTING TO TO WANT WE WANT TO WE WANT TO HAVE IT. WE WANT TO HOST IT. SO THERE IS A LOT OF INTEREST IN THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY AS WELL. YES, A LOT OF COMMENTS, A LOT OF IT. YEAH. I MEAN, I COULD SEE IT NATURALLY. AND IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CHALLENGING OUR STAFF IS EASY TO IDENTIFY OR TARGET THOSE COMMERCIAL CENTERS AND BUSINESSES THAT SERVING FOOD OR BEVERAGE. AND THEN BECAUSE IT'S EASIER TO KIND OF CURATE AND PLAN AN EVENT. BUT YOU'RE RIGHT. WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER BUSINESSES OR VACANT STOREFRONTS THAT MAYBE DON'T HAVE THAT COMPONENT? AS AN INDUSTRY, I'M ALWAYS LOOKING TO MAKE THE CORRELATION OR CONNECTION A WHILE. YES. ARTS COLLABORATION, NETWORKING, BUT TYING IT TO CORE ECONOMIC ACTIVITY, MAYBE THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE TARGETING TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, REDUCE THE VACANCY RATES OR MAYBE, YOU KNOW, HELP COMMERCIAL BROKERS WHO ARE STRUGGLING TO MAYBE ATTRACT, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL END USERS FOR A CENTER. I'M CURIOUS WHAT WHAT WHAT WOULD BE EXAMPLES OF SOME OF THE OTHER TYPES OF BUSINESSES, I'M ASSUMING, LIKE NON RESTAURANTS OR ESTABLISHMENTS. WE HAD A CHURCH THAT WANTED TO DO IT. YEAH, THAT WANTED TO HOST A AN EVENT FOR US, YOU KNOW, WANTED US TO CONSIDER USING THEM. I FORGOT THE NAME OF THE CHURCH, BUT I KNOW WE GO BACK AND LOOK IN THE MINUTES WE CAN FIND IT. WHO ELSE? THE. OF COURSE, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME, THE PODCAST, PEOPLE THAT WE WENT TO VISIT. YEAH, WE WANTED TO DO.

THEY WANTED TO DO SOMETHING. THERE'S A CHURCH ON CEDAR RIDGE THAT ALSO WANTED TO DO SOMETHING AT THIRD PLACE, AND THEY DO HAVE THE THE CAPACITY TO DO IT, TO DO THAT. WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT. YEAH. NO, THAT WASN'T THE CHURCH. THAT WAS. YEAH. I THINK I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. RIGHT. IT HAS A STUDIO AND ALL THAT TYPE OF STUFF. THE INTERSECTION JUST SOUTH OF THE HIGH SCHOOL CAMPUS. SO YOUR FIRST ONE WAS IN DECEMBER OF 23, WASN'T. OKAY. AND THEN YOU DID 1ST MAY OF 24. AND YOU, YOU'VE HAD AT LEAST TWO A YEAR. AND THIS BECAUSE YOU HAD TWO LAST YEAR. SO THIS IS JUST THE YEAR THAT YOU'RE STARTING LATE. AND JUST AS AN ASIDE, WHEN WE WHAT ARE THE REASONS DEVIN WAS HERE? BECAUSE YOU Y'ALL KIND OF LOST YOUR YOUR BIG EVENT COORDINATOR PERSON. SO THIS IDEA OF THE BUSINESS ASPECT, THE ARTS ASPECT AND THEN THIS AWESOME PLANNER OVER HERE EXECUTE THE, THE THE IDEAS. THAT WAS THE IDEA OF LIKE GETTING ENLISTING DEVIN AND ALL THIS TO SO THAT THOSE COULD KEEP GOING. YEAH.

AND FOR FOOD WE HAD A GIFT CARD FROM JOVI'S. DO WE STILL HAVE MONEY ON THAT? DO YOU SUPPOSE YOU GOT A FEW HUNDRED DOLLARS? YEAH, A COUPLE HUNDRED DOLLARS. ABOUT $300. YEAH, IT'S A LOT OF POTATO CHIPS. YEAH, YEAH. YES. YEAH. BUT PART OF THE WHAT, WHAT WHAT, WHAT WAS BEING SPENT WAS IN THE CASE OF THERE BEING A RESTAURANT AND A VENUE. THERE WAS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WAS GOING TO THE, TO THE FOOD PROPRIETOR SO THAT THEY COULD OFFER SAMPLES. SO IT

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WASN'T REALLY JUST LIKE A MEAL. IT WAS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE WHO CAME OUT TO THE MIXER TO GET SAMPLES OF WHAT THE FOOD OF THE FOOD PART OF THE BUSINESS, OR I THINK DAY DRINK HAD ALSO OFFERED SOME, SOME BITES IN THEIR PLACE SO THAT PEOPLE COULD KIND OF MIX AND MINGLE ABOUT. SO THIS THIS IS HELPFUL, I THINK, FOR ME, FOR US WITHOUT SPEAKING FOR US, DEFINITELY HELPFUL FOR ME. YEAH, THAT, THAT THAT'S REALLY WHAT I THINK THE THINGS THAT I HOPE TO HELP WITH IN THE TEAM WITH IS YEAH, US IDENTIFYING TARGET AUDIENCE. RIGHT. I THINK ART THE BACKDROP RIGHT. THAT THAT'S THE THING THAT, YOU KNOW, MAKE THE EVENT AN EVENT WORTH COMING AND EXPERIENCING. BUT FOR FOR FOR OUR BOARD, OUR STAKEHOLDERS, FOR US JUSTIFIED SPENDING. IT'S LIKE, HEY, THIS IS REALLY WHAT WHO WE'RE TARGETING AND HOW WE CAN SHOW THOSE OUTCOMES FOR THAT EFFORT, FOR THAT INVESTMENT. IT'S GOING TO BE A GREAT TIME. LIKE THAT MUCH I KNOW. LIKE YOU SAID, THAT'S REALLY WHAT DROVE THE CONVERSATION. I'M JUST WANTING TO FIND WAYS TO LEVERAGE WHAT I SEE REALLY AS THE MOMENTUM. RIGHT. THE GRAVITY THAT THIS GROUP HAS IN THE COMMUNITY. RIGHT. AND WHEN PEOPLE STILL SEE US THERE, I STILL GET ASKED, WHEN IS YOUR NEXT MIXER? YEAH, YEAH. OKAY. SO THEY'RE ASKING, OKAY, SO. CAN WE VOLUNTEER THE OTHER PART. WHAT OTHER PART? THE MONEY. ARE YOU JUST DO IT. YEAH. NO I THINK I ALREADY SAID THAT I DID AND AND THAT'S WHERE I WAS THINKING IN THOSE CODES OF TERMS LIKE, THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE'VE KIND OF ALREADY, IN A GENERAL SENSE, IDENTIFIED AS, YOU KNOW, ACTIVITIES IN OUR WORK PLAN THAT THAT WE WANT TO BE DOING. RIGHT. I MAY CALL IT A NETWORKING SESSION OR MIXER, RIGHT, BUT IT STILL FIT THE FRAMEWORK OF AN ARTS CURATED BUSINESS MIXER OR. RIGHT. SO WE'VE KIND OF SET ASIDE SOME FUNDING TO BE ABLE TO DO SOME OF THOSE THINGS. AGAIN, BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THIS AS A AS AN ADVERTISING AND MARKETING ACTIVITY WHERE I'M TRYING TO STIMULATE INVESTMENT, RIGHT? I'M TRYING TO CLEAR THE PATH FOR VACANT SPACES TO BE OCCUPIED. RIGHT. FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE ASPIRING ENTREPRENEURS OR BUSINESS OWNERS. RIGHT. BUT, YOU KNOW, THE CARROT IS THE ART. THE EVENT HAS COME OUT AND ENGAGE FELLOWSHIP NETWORK. BUT WHILE YOU'RE HERE, THIS IS WHAT YOU'LL BE EXPOSED TO, AND I'LL BE ABLE TO POINT TO THAT. SO WE KNOW WE SPEND MONEY TO DO THAT. SO YEAH, BECAUSE YOU ALL WE CAME TO YOU ALL AND YOU ALL UNDERWROTE OUR WE DIDN'T HAVE MONEY. SO YEAH, WE'RE WE'RE ALEX AND I TALKED ABOUT IF WE WERE LET'S SAY PROGRAMMATICALLY WE WANTED TO START DOING THIS TRULY LIKE AS A QUARTERLY EVENT.

RIGHT. BUT WE WANT TO CO-SPONSOR IT WITH YOU GUYS AND WILLING TO PARTICIPATE IN COST SHARING THAT THAT'S WHAT HE AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT. SO AGAIN, THERE STILL HAS TO BE THIS CONVERSATION WITH OUR BOARD TO KIND OF LAY THIS OUT. WE BELIEVE THERE'S ALREADY THE BUDGET AUTHORITY, BUT THERE'S STILL THIS THIS ALIGNMENT, THIS BLESSING, THIS ENDORSEMENT, GIVING THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK AND, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE INPUT ON WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, BECAUSE PROBABLY MAYBE ONLY A FEW, 1 OR 2, IF ANY, WERE AT THE TABLE WHEN WE WERE DOING THIS 2023, 2024. RIGHT. SO NOW IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, PICK BACK UP ON WHAT WAS OTHERWISE A REALLY SUCCESSFUL EVENT, BUT JUST, YOU KNOW, LETTING THEM KNOW THIS THIS IS THE FRAMEWORK WE WANT TO WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH. AND IT'S SOMETHING YOU'D PROBABLY WANT TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL AND ALSO ASK FOR FUNDS TO BE ABLE TO CONTRIBUTE TO THIS. SO IF THEY WELL, WE DID I'M SORRY, I DID UNDER THE GRANT THAT WE'RE WAITING TO HEAR THE APPROVAL. WE WHEN I WROTE THAT ONE OF THE GRANTS I DID. YEAH. BUT THIS WAS THE CONVERSATION I WANTED TO HOLD OFF ON, BECAUSE AT THIS POINT, WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH FUNDING IS GOING TO COME FROM DC, DC. THEY NEED TO HAVE THAT AND THEN COME BACK TO THIS.

SO WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME ON THE ARTS COMMISSION SIDE TO DEAL WITH THE FUNDING PART OF IT, RIGHT. BECAUSE RATHER THAN GET AHEAD, THIS ALLOWS FOR THERE TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE, TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE SHELF LIFE. OKAY. I WAS JUST GOING TO THANK I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I'VE PROVEN AND THERE'S SO MANY DOCUMENTS WRITTEN. I KNOW RON CAN CORROBORATE THAT, BUT ABOUT HOW THE ARTS DRIVE THE ECONOMY. AND I WAS AT A MEETING IN MCKINNEY TODAY ABOUT THE COURTHOUSE THEATER AND HOW THE ARTS ARE DRIVING THE ECONOMY THERE AND

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AND COLORADO, WHERE I GO, THE WHOLE ECONOMY IS BUILT AROUND ART AND THEATER AND A MUSIC COLLABORATIVE PLACE. AND SO I SEE THAT AND I'M EXCITED TO HEAR THIS AND SEE THAT THERE'S AN INTEREST IN THAT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? THANK YOU. GOOD JOB. OKAY. NEXT WE

[5.B. Neighborhood Town Halls on the Arts presented by Community Engagment Advisory Board member Ron Thompson]

HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD TOWN HALLS ON ARTS PRESENTED BY THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ADVISORY BOARD MEMBER, MISTER RON THOMPSON. YAY! MADAM CHAIR, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS TIME. SHE WAS FABULOUS. NO OFFENSE FOR THE CITY, OKAY? WE'RE ALL FAMILY HERE. I'M HERE TO REPRESENT SOME ACTION THAT THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ADVISORY. LET ME SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME. COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ADVISORY BOARD. IT'S HARD TO SAY FOR TALKING QUICKLY. THE BOARD'S MET THREE FOUR TIMES NOW AND BEGINNING TO IDENTIFY THINGS THAT CAN HELP REALLY CHANGE THE NATURE OF THE BOARD TO REPORT A NEW, BRAND NEW WAYS. THE BOARD'S IDENTIFIED SOME THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE IMPORTANT AS WE MOVE FORWARD, AND THAT WOULD BE CONTINUOUS INTERCHANGE OF COMMUNICATION BETWEEN BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, THE COMMUNITY CITY COUNCIL AND HOW YOU KEEP IT WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE COMMUNITY. SO ONE OF THE CONCEPTS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, IT'S ON THE TAIL END OF OF MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ADVISORY BOARD TALKING ABOUT LEANING INTO OUR INDIVIDUAL EXPERTISE. HOW DO WE BEGIN TO INTERACT, KNIT TOGETHER OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, THE CITY COUNCIL, YOU GO TO ANY CITY COUNCIL MEMBER MEETING, ANY BOARD MEETING EVERYONE IS TALKING ABOUT, WELL, HOW DO WE COMMUNICATE TO THE TO THE PUBLIC? THE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNICATIONS FOR THE CITY OF DUNCANVILLE TOLD ME, THERE'S AN ACRONYM THAT I LOVE TO USE NOW STP, SAME TEN PEOPLE. SO HOW DO WE BEGIN TO TALK TO MORE THAN THE SAME TEN PEOPLE? HERE'S A CONCEPT. AND SO OSTENSIBLY, CITY HALL CAN BE A VERY TRANSIENT PLACE. ELECTIONS CHANGE THE COURSE OF TRAJECTORY.

STAFF CHANGES THE COURSE OF TRAJECTORY. SO WHAT CAN WE DO THAT KEEPS ACTIVITY WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, KEEPS IT RESIDENT DRIVEN. SO YOU ALL KNOW HERE I'M REALLY EXTENSIVE PROPOSALS.

SO I'M NOT GOING TO GO OVER REALLY FAST. BUT OSTENSIBLY HOW CAN THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ADVISORY BOARD BEGIN TO OVERSEE THE EVOLUTION AND THE ACTIVATION OF FORUMS, PUBLIC FORUMS? THESE WOULD BE FORUMS THAT BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND CITY COUNCIL WANT TO SEE ACTIVATED. BUT THESE WOULD ALSO BE FORUMS THAT THE RESIDENTS CAN ACTIVATE SO THAT EVERYBODY HAS A VOICE AND WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO THEM IN THE COMMUNITY. SO THESE THINGS I ALREADY TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, COMMUNITY INPUT IS FRAGMENTED. IT'S IT'S INCONSISTENT. WE DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW PEOPLE COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OTHER. NOT EVERYBODY IS ON SOCIAL MEDIA. NOT EVERYBODY HAS EMAIL ACCOUNTS. WE DON'T HAVE A DAILY NEWSPAPER THAT WE USED TO HAVE. SO AND NOT EVERYBODY'S ON SOCIAL MEDIA. SO HOW DO WE GET THE INFORMATION? INPUT IS VULNERABLE TO LOSS DURING LEADERSHIP CHANGES. LIKE I SAID, WHEN SOMETHING CHANGES WHERE IS THAT BODY OF INFORMATION RESIDE? AS YOU KNOW, WHEN A COMMISSION OR A BOARD CHANGES, A LOT OF THAT INSTITUTIONAL MEMORY GOES WITH IT. AND OF COURSE, PROCESSES RELY TOO HEAVILY ON INDIVIDUAL PERSONALITIES OFTEN. SO A FORUM SOLUTION IS TO BEGIN TO BRAND SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE CONSISTENT. EVERYONE'S GOING TO KNOW, IS THERE A FORUM? IS THERE AN APPLICATION? HOW DO YOU ACTIVATE A FORUM? DOES IT NEED TO BE A TOWN HALL? DOES IT NEED TO BE A SMALL DISCUSSION GROUP? DOES IT NEED TO BE SO SCALABLE? IS THE WORD AND IT SURE AND ENSURES FOLLOW THROUGH ON COMMITMENTS. WE HAVE OUR LOVELY PRESIDENT OF THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ADVISORY BOARD OVER HERE, MR. THOMAS LACKEY, WHO BY THE WAY HAPPENS TO BE A DATA SCIENTIST, WHICH TO ME SOUNDS LIKE A TOTAL DRAG. BUT IN THIS CASE, IT'S THE MAGIC SAUCE THAT'S GOING TO MAKE ALL THIS WORK. INFORMATION COMES IN, WE'RE TRANSPARENT ABOUT IT, WE ARTICULATE IT, WE TRY TO UNDERSTAND IT, IT GOES TO THE MASTER COMPUTER, AND THEN SOMETHING HAS TO HAPPEN WITH THAT INFORMATION. HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU BEEN TO SOMETHING AND YOU'VE HAD FLIPCHARTS AND POST-ITS, AND YOU DO ALL THIS AND YOU SEE IT ON THE WALL, AND THEN YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENS THEREAFTER. SO IT'S A LOT OF CONTINUUM OF ACTIVITY THAT BEGINS TO AGGREGATE. SO IF YOU HAVE COMMUNITY PUTTING TOGETHER, IF YOU HAVE COUNCIL BOARDS, ORGANIZATIONS, AND THEY ALL HAVE THIS PORTAL BY WHICH INFORMATION COMES THROUGH, IT'S REVIEWED, IT'S PROCESSED. AND THEN THERE'S ACTION ITEMS ATTACHED TO IT. AND THEN HOWEVER WE DECIDE THAT WE WANT TO COMMUNICATE IT. THAT'S PART OF THE LONG TERM COMMUNITY MEMORY. SO WE NEED TO START DEVELOPING A PROOF OF CONCEPT.

I'M SORRY. AND IT'S REAL EASY FOR US TO LOOK AT THE ARTS COMMISSION. WE SHARE A COUNCIL

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LIAISON. WE SHARE STAFF LIAISON. AND WE ALL AND THE ARTS ARE DOING EVERYTHING RIGHT NOW THAT IS REQUIRING THIS BACK AND FORTH. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE GRANTS, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE PATRONS, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE POTENTIAL DONORS. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ALL THOSE THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO START HAVING THIS SUSTAINABILITY CONVERSATION. SO THE IDEA IS I'M PITCHING Y'ALL, AND I WANT TO HEAR FEEDBACK, AND THEN I'M GOING TO GO BACK AND HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. AND THEN POSSIBLY IF THERE'S IF Y'ALL WANT TO START DATING, THEN WE CAN HAVE A JOINT. WE CAN HAVE A JOINT MEETING. THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT PROJECT.

SO THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF WILL BE OVERSEEING THIS. I'M JUST HERE BECAUSE I LIKE Y'ALL. AND AND SO WHY DID WE START WITH THE ARTS COMMISSION? IS BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT IN COMMON.

FUNCTIONALLY. WE HAVE STAFF AND COUNCIL LIAISONS WHO WHO WE HAVE IN COMMON. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE A MISTAKE, IF WE'RE GOING TO KIND OF FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING TO WORK, WHAT'S NOT GOING TO WORK, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE DO IT WITH A LOT OF KNOWN VARIABLES. AND AND AGAIN, WHAT THIS IS MEANT TO DO, IT'S MEANT TO INSTITUTIONALIZE COMMUNICATION. THANK YOU. SO BECAUSE RIGHT NOW AGAIN IT'S IT'S IT'S SCATTERED. SO THIS IS THE IDEA THAT WHEN THIS MOVES ON THIS IS GOING TO GO TO EVENTUALLY OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS PARKS, ALL OF THEM.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ADVISOR HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT IS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE ABLE TO CONNECT WITH BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS TO TO BREAK DOWN THE SILOS. WE ALL KNOW THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, BUT WE REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING. SO THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT BOARD TO GROW. AND THEN WE START BECOMING LIAISONS. SO WE START LISTENING. SO WHEN THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT COMES TOGETHER, SOMEONE WHO'S LIAISONING WITH PARKS IS GOING TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? THIS IS WHAT I HEARD THEM SAYING. SO AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT I HEARD THEM SAYING. ARTS. YOU KNOW WHAT? THIS IS WHAT I HEARD THEM SAYING. WHAT ARE THE COMMONALITIES? WHAT ARE THE SAME CHALLENGES THEY'RE HAVING? AND THERE ARE THE SAME THING WITH WITH CITY COUNCIL LIAISONS TO CITY COUNCIL. SO WHEN THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW DO WE GET INFORMATION, IT COMES BACK TO A BOARD WHOSE SOLE PURPOSE IS TO BREAK DOWN SILOS, GET THE COMMUNITY INVOLVED, FIGURE OUT HOW THE INFORMATION IS GOING TO BE COLLECTED AND HOW IT'S GOING TO BE USED. THIS WILL PROBABLY GO IN YOUR PACKET. SO AGAIN, THIS IS JUST BULLET SPEAK. I'VE ALREADY SAID ALL THIS STUFF. WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THOUGH IS FOR THE RESIDENTS. SO WE KNOW WE ALL VOTE HERE. WE ALL SHOW UP HERE. WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF INTERACTION. BUT HOW MANY OPPORTUNITIES DOES THE CITY REALLY GIVE FOR RESIDENTS TO GET INVOLVED? IF THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, THAT'S A LOT. SO WHAT THIS CAN DO IS WHEN THERE CAN BE AN APPLICATION WHERE THE RESIDENTS OR THE COMMUNITY CAN SAY, HEY, I WOULD LOVE FOR US TO START TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING AGAIN, SCALABLE. NOT EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE A TOWN HALL. SOMETIMES IT'LL BE A SMALL DISCUSSION, BUT THERE'S GOING TO BE AN APPLICATION PROCESS. EVERYTHING'S GOING TO BE AN APPLICATION PROCESS. YOU HAVE AN APPLICATION PROCESS FOR GRANTS. THIS APPLICATION IS GOING TO COME TO COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. WE'RE GOING TO FIGURE OUT, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE GOT THIS APPLICATION FROM THE COMMUNITY. IT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD IN DISTRICT TWO. SO WE'VE GOT TO CONNECT WITH THE DISTRICT TWO REPRESENTATIVE. AND THEN WE ALSO KNOW THAT WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE'VE HEARD ARTS TALK ABOUT WE'VE HEARD PARKS TALK ABOUT WE'VE HEARD ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TALK ABOUT. SO YOU KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO DO A COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT FORUM. AND AGAIN, SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE NESTING THE COMMUNICATIONS AND THE ADVOCACY WITH THE COMMUNITY, BECAUSE IT'S HARD TO SIT ON A BOARD.

AND AND THIS COULD BE A WAY TO GET MORE PEOPLE INVOLVED IF WE DON'T ASK THEM TO SIT ON A BOARD OR COMMISSION, FIND SOMETHING YOU'RE PASSIONATE ABOUT, HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON IT, HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A DECISION MAKERS TO HEAR IT, AND THEN LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS FROM THERE. SCALABLE ENGAGEMENT, PARKS PLANNING. OTHER GROUPS ULTIMATE GOAL IS A PERMANENT, RESIDENT DRIVEN CIVIC ENGAGEMENT SYSTEM DESIGNED TO GROW WITH DUNCANVILLE. THIS IS MEANT TO BE SCALABLE. WE HAVEN'T DONE THIS. COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IS REALLY BUILDING THE PLATFORM IN WHICH IT REALLY DEFINES ITSELF. I LIKE TO USE THE ANALOGY, AND OF COURSE EVERYONE HAS ALREADY HEARD MUSIC ANALOGY. IF YOU'VE EVER SEEN LITTLE KIDS PLAY SOCCER, WHAT DO THEY DO? ALL THE KIDS ARE CHASING AFTER THE BALL.

THEY'RE ALL GOING AFTER THE SAME BALL. THEY HAVEN'T LEARNED ABOUT HOW TO TAKE A POSITION YET. AS THEY MATURE, THEY START TO TAKE POSITIONS. IT'S WHAT OUR LOVELY ARTS COMMISSION DID.

WE ALL CHASED THE SAME BALL UNTIL WE FIGURED OUT WE NEED TO HAVE A POSITION. THIS IS GOING TO BE A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ADVISORY BOARD TO REALLY DO THAT. WE ALL TAKE POSITIONS. WE ALL FIND OURSELVES LIAISONING WITH OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, GETTING OUT AND SPEAKING FROM THE COMMUNITY. AND SO THIS IDEA ORIGINALLY KIND OF CAME ABOUT. THIS IS MY LAST SLIDE. SO THE IDEA REALLY CAME ABOUT, IT WAS AFTER OUR SHARED COUNCIL LIAISON HAD A VERY SUCCESSFUL TOWN HALL, AND I SAID, WELL, WOULDN'T IT BE REALLY GREAT IF WE HAD A TOWN HALL? ON WHAT I ALWAYS TALK ABOUT THE ARTS. AND SO THE

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CONVERSATION IS, HOW COULD COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND THE ARTS COMMISSION AND OUR COUNCIL LIAISON AND OUR STAFF LIAISON ORGANIZE A TOWN HALL AROUND THE ARTS, BUT USE THAT DATA SCIENTIST BRAIN OVER THERE TO TAKE THE INFORMATION. HOW DO WE USE IT? AND THEN HOW IS THAT MORE HELPFUL FOR YOU? YOU'RE LOOKING AT A WHOLE LOT OF GRANT APPLICATIONS. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE IMPACT OF YOUR GRANTS ARE TO DISTRICT THREE? PROBABLY NOT. SO SHOULD YOU KNOW WHAT THE IMPACT OF YOUR GRANT SUBMISSIONS ARE TO DISTRICT THREE? YES. SO THAT'S WHERE IT COMES. WE CAN START FIGURING OUT WHAT THE QUESTIONS WHAT ARE THE ANSWERS THAT WE DON'T KNOW YET TO THE QUESTIONS WE HAVEN'T HEARD YET. AND AND WE JUST START TO TO BUILD THAT PLANE AS WE AS WE FLY IT. SO MY PURPOSE HERE IS TO INTRODUCE YOU TO MR. LACKEY. TALK ABOUT THIS PROPOSAL. THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ADVISORY BOARD IS STILL VERY MUCH IN THE VERY PRELIMINARY OF THIS. SO FORTUNATELY THESE DISCUSSIONS ARE ARE RECORDED. SO THE NATURE OF THIS DISCUSSION CAN GO BACK TO COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT. AND THEN HOPEFULLY IF THERE'S SOME SORT OF COME TOGETHER, IT WOULD BE A CONVERSATION THAT MAYBE THE COUNCIL LIAISON AND STAFF LIAISON COULD SAY, OKAY, LET'S TRY TO DO AN ARTS FOCUSED TOWN HALL. OR MAYBE IF IN THE COURSE OF THE CONVERSATION IS MAYBE NOT A TOWN HALL, MAYBE SOMETHING ELSE. PART OF THE CONVERSATION IS, LET'S SAY, IF IT'S GOING TO BE AN ALL CITY EVENT, LIKE A, LIKE AN ALL CITY TOWN HALL THAT YOU WOULD HAVE AN AT LARGE OR THE MAYOR FACILITATE. WELL, AT SOME POINT WE'RE GOING TO LEARN. I ASKED YOU WHAT THE IMPACT OF DISTRICT THREE. IF THERE'S A LOT OF INTEREST IN A SPECIFIC DISTRICT, DO WE NEED TO START HAVING DISTRICT SPECIFIC TOWN HALLS SO WE CAN START TO TAKE THAT DOWN? THIS COMES BACK. THE VICE PRESIDENT OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT BOARD, SHE SAID IT SUCCINCTLY. SHE WAS LOOKING FOR COMMONALITIES. AND SHE SAYS MOST NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE A PARK. WHAT CAN WE DO IN THE PARK? AND MY BRAIN IMMEDIATELY GOES TO THE ARTS. SO HOW CAN WE FIND THOSE SHARED COMMONALITIES? SO I'M HERE TO KIND OF GET YOUR VIBE ON THIS. TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT IT, AND IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU FIND VALUABLE, THEN WE CAN TAKE THIS INFORMATION BACK TO COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU THINK YOU'RE TOO OVERLOADED ON RIGHT NOW, THEN WE'LL GO TO A DIFFERENT BOARD. BUT I ALWAYS START WITH THE ARTS. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THIS IS THIS IS A WHOLE LOT OF MOVING. AND I'M HAPPY TO TO ANSWER QUESTIONS OR BUILD YOUR THOUGHTS. I'M HAPPY TO GIVE ALEX NEW THINGS TO DO ON HIS TO DO LIST. YEAH. VICE CHAIR. SO THIS IS NEW TO EVERYBODY. SO. I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE THE WHOLE FORM SYSTEM THAT YOU WENT OVER QUICKLY. I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THIS PART. SO. I SEE YOU DO THE DISTRICT THREE INTEREST. WHAT WOULD THAT FORM. WOULD A COMMUNITY MEMBER START. IT IS WELL IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE BECAUSE AGAIN WE'RE STILL GOING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE NEED IS.

THE THIS WOULD PROBABLY BE AN AT LARGE BECAUSE WE BOTH SHARE THE AT LARGE AS OUR COUNCIL LIAISON. OUR STAFF LIAISONS ARE BOTH IN THE COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT. AND IF YOU REALLY LOOK AT IT, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IS PROBABLY MORE LIKELY AKIN TO THE ADVISORY BOARD TO TO MR. HEMMINGS DEPARTMENT. SO IT'S ABOUT COMMUNICATIONS. LET'S SAY THAT YOU FIND IT'S VALUABLE TO DO A ALL CITY TOWN HALL TO BETTER UNDERSTAND HOW PEOPLE WANT TO SEE AN IMPACT IN THE ARTS. DO THEY KNOW DO THEY CARE? YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN IT'S BEEN SUGGESTED TO ME THE TWO THINGS THAT ALWAYS GET PEOPLE OUT IS THEIR TRASH AND THEIR DOGS. SO THERE'S GOT TO BE SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S GOING TO ACTIVATE PEOPLE. SO LET'S SAY THAT YOU'RE WORKING ON SOMETHING THAT YOU REALLY WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT. LET'S SAY THAT YOU REALLY WANT TO GET SOME NEW INFORMATION FROM THE COMMUNITY. YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE HOT FUNDS. THAT'S ABOUT VISITORS. BUT HOW ARE THE RESIDENTS BENEFITING FROM THE ARTS? SO THOSE KINDS OF THINGS THAT YOU WOULD NEED TO WORK WITH, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, THIS WOULD BE THIS WOULD DEFINITELY BE SOMETHING FROM YOU WOULD SAY, HEY, WHAT DO WE NEED HELP WITH? LET'S GO TO COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. AND IT'S NOT TO GIVE YOU BUSYWORK, BECAUSE HONESTLY, IF RIGHT NOW THERE'S NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE ACHING TO HEAR OR KNOW, UNDERSTAND, THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE RIGHT FOR YOU. AND I DON'T WANT TO GIVE YOU BUSYWORK.

BUT IT'S BUT RIGHT NOW WITH WITH FROM MY THINKING, WITH THE GRANTS PROGRAM, THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF A LOT OF PEOPLE UNDERSTAND HOW DOES THIS BENEFIT YOU. AND THEN YOU KIND OF TAILOR WHAT DOES THAT NEED. AND WE GO BACK AND AND FIGURE IT OUT. YOU CAN OBVIOUSLY IN THIS COURSE OF THE CONVERSATION, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENTS ALL OVER THIS PARKS IS ALL OVER IT MAYBE POTENTIALLY ABOUT GETTING THE INFORMATION. ALSO IT'S FINDING THE COMMONALITY. SO TO ANSWER

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YOUR QUESTION, THE FUNCTION RIGHT NOW IS THEORETICALLY A TOWN HALL, A CITY WIDE TOWN HALL INVOLVING OUR SHARED COUNCIL LIAISON ABOUT THE ARTS. WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THIS.

SO THIS IS JUST RON THOMPSON TALKING. MY MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE BE VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT THE KIND OF OUTCOME THAT YOU WANT TO HEAR ABOUT, THAT YOU WANT TO KNOW IF YOU WALK INTO THESE SITUATIONS AND MR. DATA SCIENTISTS, YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M SAYING THING OUT OF LINE, BUT IF YOU WALK INTO A SITUATION WHERE YOU'RE NOT REALLY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT KIND OF INFORMATION YOU WANT, LET IT GO. I MEAN, LET IT GO IN DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS IF THAT'S THE WAY THE DIRECTION GOES. BUT IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A TOWN HALL AND SAY, DO WE LIKE ART, THAT MAY NOT BE WORTH THE TIME. IT MAY NOT BE A CONVERSATION, BUT IT WOULD BE LIKE THE TIME THAT DURING OUR LAST JUNETEENTH WHERE WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT IS DUNCANVILLE MEAN TO ARTISTS AND THE CONVERSATION TURNED INTO CAN ARTS BE PART OF PUBLIC SAFETY? AND EVERYBODY STARTED CLICKING ON PUBLIC SAFETY IN THE ARTS. SO WHAT COULD WE HAVE GLEANED FROM THAT IN THAT PROCESS? SO THERE'S NOT A FRAMEWORK. THIS IS IN THE VERY INFANCY I CAN'T EVEN TELL YOU. AND THEN WE TAKE ALL THIS INFORMATION AND GO BACK TO COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. THEY THEY MAY SAY TOO MUCH, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO BEGIN TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS BECAUSE, AGAIN, ULTIMATELY THIS IS SUPPOSED TO REST THIS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT ALWAYS GOING TO BE AT THIS TABLE. HE'S NOT ALWAYS GOING TO BE AT THE END OF THIS TABLE, BUT THE WORK THAT YOU DO SUSTAINS. SO HOW DO YOU MAKE IT SUSTAIN YOU MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMUNITY AND THE RESIDENTS HAVE OWNERSHIP IN THE CONVERSATION, BECAUSE THEN IT WILL SUSTAIN. THEN THERE WILL BE PUBLIC MEMORY OF SOMETHING. I OVER TALK A LOT. SO SO BASICALLY THERE'S NOT A FORM. RIGHT NOW WE'RE THINKING ABOUT A CITY WIDE TOWN HALL ON THE ARTS. BECAUSE IF IF MISS GOODEN AND ANGELA AND I ARE IN THE SAME ROOM TALKING ABOUT THE ARTS, WE THINK EVERYBODY NEEDS TO KNOW ABOUT AND TALK ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME. BUT MAYBE THEY DON'T. MAYBE THEY WON'T. SO THAT PART OF THE CONVERSATION TO FIGURE OUT IT WOULD PROBABLY BE WE HAVE THIS BRIEFING, WE GO BACK BRIEF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, AND THEN WE DISCUSS A POSSIBILITY OF A JOINT MEETING, WHICH I KNOW IS NOT SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE ALWAYS LIKE TO DO.

SO AGAIN, YOU GUYS ARE BUSY. IF THIS IS IF THIS BREAKS, YOU DON'T DO IT BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO REALLY KIND OF FIGURE OUT THE PROCESS. SO BACK TO SAME TEAM PEOPLE. STEEP. IT'S AN OLD CONCEPT WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH WHEN WE DO ANYTHING. WHERE I COME FROM, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO ENLARGE THAT GROUP? THIS IS JUST A IT'S NOT A COMPLICATED QUESTION. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO COMMUNICATE TO PEOPLE TO TO ENGAGE WITH THIS I DON'T KNOW. YES. OKAY. YOU'RE NODDING. SO I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN I COULD THEORIZE YEAH. YOU KNOW, I COULD TALK ABOUT WHAT THINGS GET PEOPLE EXCITED ABOUT. WE HAVE A REALLY GREAT BOARD OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, INCREDIBLY TALENTED PEOPLE WHO LOOK AT THINGS MUCH DIFFERENTLY THAN I DO. WE COULD LOOK AT FRANCISCO HAS A LIST OF THINGS THAT HE NEEDS TO GET DONE DURING THE DAY. THERE ARE THINGS THAT BY COMPLIANCE BY LAW, THE CITY HAS TO DO COMMUNICATION WISE, LIKE IS IT ADA COMPLIANT? WE NEED TO HAVE EVERYTHING IN. IF ENGLISH IS NOT YOUR FIRST LANGUAGE, THERE NEEDS TO BE A SPANISH LANGUAGE OPTION. SO THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ADVISORY BOARD IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY FEELS LIKE THEY HAVE ACCESS TO INFORMATION THE SAME WAY. SO FOR INSTANCE, IF YOU WERE IF ENGLISH IS NOT YOUR FIRST LANGUAGE AND YOU FILLED OUT AN APPLICATION THAT WAS IN ENGLISH FOR ANY CITY SERVICE, IS THAT FAIR? IF AND THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER CONVERSATION TO HAVE. AND THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE PUBLIC CONVERSATIONS. SO IF YOU WANT TO GET THE BEST OUT OF THE COMMUNITY, YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY CAN EFFECTIVELY COMMUNICATE THEIR NEEDS AND THEIR DESIRES AND WANTS AND WHAT THEY WANT TO ACCOMPLISH. SO I DON'T KNOW. MY QUESTION IS, HOW WOULD YOU PACKAGE THIS FORUM THAT WOULD GET PEOPLE TO COME TO IT IN THE FIRST PLACE? I DON'T KNOW, AND IT WOULD PROBABLY BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAPPEN IN PROGRESS OVER TIME. SO WE CALL IT A FORUM TO GIVE IT A BRAND PACKAGE. OKAY. SO YOU KNOW HOW MANY BECAUSE THE CITY HAS LOTS OF THINGS. THERE'S TOWN HALLS, THERE'S CHARETTES, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, ALL THE DIFFERENT TOOLS THAT THAT CAN ALL BE PART OF A FORUM. AND FORUMS CAN BE BIG IF IT'S LIKE A BIG ISSUE, LIKE A BOND, OR IT CAN BE SMALL IF IT'S DISTRICT THREE WANTS TO DO A NEIGHBORHOOD CLEANUP. SO IT'S MEANT TO BE LIKE THAT. SO THEORETICALLY. GRIFFIN THEORETICALLY, PROBABLY THE BEGINNING. IT WOULD BE PEER TO PEER COMMUNICATION CHANNELS. IF YOU GET INTO SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW IS IMPORTANT OR YOUR

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FRIENDS KNOW THAT'S IMPORTANT, THEN YOU GET YOU GET THE WORD OUT. USE AN EXAMPLE THE THE LAB PROJECT. THAT WAS ALL PEER TO PEER NETWORKING. AND AND THEY GOT THE WORD OUT. AND SO IT WOULD BE FIGURING THAT OUT. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT REALLY TALKS A LOT ABOUT IS WELL HOW. AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ALL TALK ABOUT. HOW DO YOU GET THE WORD OUT. HOW DO YOU MAKE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND? I DON'T KNOW, AND THAT THE LAST ARTS DISCUSSION FOR FOR JUNETEENTH, THAT WAS PART OF THE DISCUSSION. HOW DO YOU MAKE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHERE THE ARTS ARE HAPPENING AND WHAT PEOPLE CARE ABOUT? ONE LADY I THOUGHT WAS A BRILLIANT IDEA. SHE SAYS, WELL, EVERYBODY IN TOWN GOES TO A GROCERY STORE. CAN YOU PUT A KIOSK WITH SOME MAGAZINES AT THE GROCERY STORE? LET'S TRY IT. LET'S JUST SEE IF IT WORKS. AND THAT'S WHERE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT COMES IN. BECAUSE LIKE, THIS IS NOT ABOUT SCOPE CREEP FOR YOU GUYS. IF EVERYBODY KNOWS ABOUT THE ARTS, THEY'RE GOING TO KNOW ABOUT PARKS. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO KNOW ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE ABOUT THE DESIGN GRANT PROGRAM. SO WE HAVE TO KIND OF FIGURE IT OUT. SO THAT'S A RESIDENT SUGGESTION.

I THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT SUGGESTION. IF THERE'S MONEY TO PUT SOMETHING IN EVERY SINGLE GROCERY STORE, THEN AT LEAST WE KNOW EVERYONE WHO GOES TO THE GROCERY STORE IN DUNCANVILLE, WHICH ARE PROBABLY GOING TO ALL BE RESIDENTS, WILL BE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TO SEE THAT. BUT I WOULD THINK FROM THE BEGINNING WOULD PROBABLY BE PEER TO PEER, I THINK, IF I MAY, I THINK TO EXPAND THE SDP, YOU KNOW. AS WE BEGIN TO CAPTURE THAT KNOWLEDGE, RIGHT, IT'S GOING TO BE BUILDING FROM SCRATCH. AND THAT'S WHY WE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I THINK THE, YOU KNOW, STARTING WITH, WITH THIS BOARD COULD BE REALLY GOOD BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A GREAT REPUTATION IN TOWN. YOU KNOW, IT'S A UNIQUE SORT OF FORUM KIND OF EVENT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. I MEAN, NORMALLY IT'S ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BOND ISSUES AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND THAT KIND OF STUFF. SO WE'D BE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY. BUT MY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, AS RON SAID, IT'S GOING TO BE PEER TO PEER TO BEGIN WITH. AND HOPEFULLY AS WE QUANTIFY THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT DROVE PEOPLE TO THIS, YOU KNOW, THEN WE CAN BUILD A REAL NETWORK. AND AND THEORETICALLY, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT THE COMMUNITY. WE TALKED ABOUT HOW DO WE EMPOWER THE COMMUNITY. THAT'S PART OF OUR JOB AS COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, RIGHT? IT CAN'T JUST BE US SITTING AROUND TABLES WHO DECIDE THE WAY THINGS HAPPEN AND IT CAN'T. AND IT NEEDS TO BE MORE THAN PEOPLE WHO CAN ACTUALLY COMMIT TO BEING ON A BOARD OR COMMISSION. AS FAR AS I KNOW, THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY THING THAT YOU CAN GET INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY. WELL, IF WE COULD DISTILL THAT. SO PEOPLE WHO CARE ABOUT SOMETHING, THEY'RE PASSIONATE ABOUT SOMETHING, BUT THEY COULDN'T COMMIT, MAYBE THEY WORK NIGHTS, YOU KNOW, THEY COULDN'T COMMIT TO BEING ON A BOARD OR COMMISSION. BUT IF WE GIVE THEM SOMETHING THEY CAN LEAN INTO. AND AGAIN, THIS IS ABOUT VESTING THE MEMORY AND THE COMMUNITY. SO LIKE I WILL TELL YOU, WHEN I'M SITTING OVER THERE AND SOMEONE ASKS A QUESTION ABOUT THE ARTS AND I KNOW IT, IT MAKES ME NUTS. I WANT TO RAISE MY HAND AND SAY, I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT, BUT THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THIS KIND OF ACTIVITY IS IS AGAIN, I'M REPEATING MYSELF THE MEMORIES INVESTED AND REMEMBERED IN THE COMMUNITY. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'LL WORK. NOBODY KNOWS IF IT'LL WORK. WHEN I INTERVIEWED FOR THE FOR THE FOR THE ENGAGEMENT BOARD, ONE OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS ASKED ME, WHAT DO YOU THINK THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE TO DUNCANVILLE IS? I SAID, APATHY. SOMEONE SAYS, WELL, HOW DO YOU THINK YOU FIX THAT? I SAID, OWNERSHIP, AND I BELIEVE THAT. AND THAT'S WHY THE ARTISTS WERE IMPORTANT, BECAUSE THE ARTS GIVE PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY TO OWN SOMETHING. SENSE OF IDENTITY, A SENSE OF VOICE, A SENSE OF BELONGING. THIS GIVES PEOPLE AN OWNERSHIP OF THE NARRATIVE. THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE COMMUNITY, IT'S NOT JUST BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT CAN APPLY. THE COMMUNITY GETS TO APPLY. RIGHT. AND THAT GETS BACK TO YOUR QUESTION, BACK ABOUT THE FORMS, RIGHT. YOU KNOW, MY MY VISION FOR THIS. YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON, YOU KNOW, MORE CONSENSUS. IS THAT MOST OF THE TOPICS AND KIND OF EVEN THE FRAMEWORK OF WHAT THESE FORM EVENTS WILL BE, WILL BE COMING FROM THE COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT ASKING BOARD FOLKS TO PRODUCE AN EVENT. I WAS AT A I WAS AT A DISTRICT MEETING. I WAS IN A MEETING FOR DISTRICT SIX, MISS JERRY BROWN'S DISTRICT FOR, FOR AND WE WERE I WAS THERE TO SPEAK ON THE ARTS. WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT THE ARTS HAD DONE FOR THE COMMUNITY. AND THIS WAS A THIS WAS KIND OF A PRETTY THIS WAS A THIS WAS A ROBUST MEETING BECAUSE IT HAD TO DO WITH SOME, SOME CONTROVERSIAL THINGS ON THE AGENDA. AND, AND, AND I'M JUST AS PLEASED AS MUCH TO TALK ABOUT THE ARTS. YOU HEAR PEOPLE APPLAUD. YOU KNOW, THEY WEREN'T APPLAUDING ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE. AND THEN ULTIMATELY SOMEONE IN THE BACK STANDS UP AND GOES, I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE ARTS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE STREETS AND POLICE. OKAY?

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NO, YOU'RE NOT COMING TO MY HOUSE THEN. BUT BUT ALSO, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT DIALOG BECAUSE I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT GOD CARES ABOUT THE ARTS. I KNOW FOR A FACT I DON'T KNOW ANYONE WHO DOESN'T CARE ABOUT IT. IF YOU THINK THAT YOUR TAX DOLLARS ARE GOING TO RAISE BECAUSE OF THE ARTS, YOU'RE INCORRECT AND THAT'S THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS. SO IF, IF THAT, IF THAT WAS A FORUM OR IT LED TO A FORUM, THEN SOMEONE COULD HAVE SAID, WELL, LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT. WHAT DO YOU AND SO IT'S, IT'S NOW THAT OPPORTUNITY IS PASSED AND I CAN NEVER GET IT BACK. BUT I REMEMBER THAT BECAUSE IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THE CHAIR OF THE ARTS COMMISSION EVER WANTS TO HEAR IN A PUBLIC FORUM. AND I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE BEEN ABLE TO RESPOND TO IT. SO WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO FROM US TO START WITH IS MAYBE HAVING A TOWN HALL THAT HAVE FOCUSED AROUND THE ARTS AND AT LARGE MEETING WHAT I'M WHAT I MIGHT RECOMMEND IF THIS IS SOMETHING. AND AGAIN, DON'T FEEL COMPELLED BECAUSE YOU'RE BUSY AND I DON'T PUT ANYTHING ON YOUR TABLE THAT THIS HAS TO BE IMPORTANT TO YOU, BECAUSE THE ULTIMATELY THIS CONVERSATION IS GOING TO BE HAD WITH EVERY BOARD AND EVERY COMMISSION, EVERY CITY STAFF PERSON IN LEADERSHIP. BUT SINCE WE HAVE A LOT OF SHARED RESOURCES, YES, THE THE WAY THIS COULD GO, AS IF YOU SAY, OKAY, I THINK THIS MIGHT BE KIND OF COOL IF OUR SHARED RESOURCES COULD WORK TOGETHER, BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY THAT TOWN HALLS WORK ANYWAY. CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS IS GOING TO HAVE A TOWN HALL AND THE STAFF MAKES IT HAPPEN. AND SOMETIMES THE COUNCIL MEMBER REALLY DOESN'T KNOW THE MAGIC BEHIND THE SCENE. AND SO THAT WOULD BE KIND OF THAT CONVERSATION TO HAVE. AND THEN WE WOULD GO BACK BECAUSE AGAIN, REMEMBER, TOBY'S GOING TO BE IN CHARGE OF THIS BECAUSE HE'S OUR DATA SCIENTIST.

AND AND HE'S GOING TO COME BACK AND SAY, OKAY, ARTS MAY WANT TO PLAY IF IT DOESN'T INTERFERE WITH OTHER THINGS WE'RE DOING, BUT THEY RECOGNIZE THIS COULD BE FAVORABLE. AND THEN WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE SORT OF HAVE THOSE BACK AND FORTH. THEY WOULD FIND A WAY TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. AND THEN WHAT I MIGHT RECOMMEND IS HAVING A JOINT MEETING. BUT BY THAT TIME WE HAVE A JOINT MEETING. MY HOPE IS COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT WITH STAFF AND COUNCIL LIAISON. WE WOULD HAVE A HARD STRUCTURE BY WHICH WE PRESENT A FORMULA, AND YOUR JOB WOULD BE THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW. TO BETTER UNDERSTAND YOURS ISN'T TO WORK THE FORMULA. YOURS IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND, WHAT YOU WANT TO KNOW, WHAT YOU THINK WOULD BENEFIT YOUR WORK HERE IS IS COMMUNICATED TO US, AND THEN COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT GOES BACK. AND THEN WE SAY OKAY WE THEN WE LOOK AT ALL THE COMPLIANCE THINGS. IS THIS DUAL LANGUAGE, IS IT ADA COMPLIANT.

IS THERE ARE PLACES. IS THIS A MOBILITY ISSUE? IS THIS SEEING AND HEARING IMPAIRED? DOES EVERYONE HAVE ACCESS TO THIS INFORMATION. SO WE HAVE LIKE LEGAL THINGS TO CHECK OFF ONCE THOSE LEGAL THINGS ARE CHECKED OFF. IS IT ALL AVAILABLE IN THE WEBSITE? CHECK CHECK CHECK CHECK CHECK. THEN WE GET INTO WE'VE GOT THAT. NOW HOW DO WE FRAME THAT CONVERSATION. SO CHANCES ARE THE VERY FIRST ONE THREE PEOPLE CAN SHOW UP. THERE WAS A I THINK I SAW YOU ON TV, THERE WAS A JOINT MEETING WITH THREE DIFFERENT BOARDS OR TWO DIFFERENT BOARDS IN CITY COUNCIL, AND HARDLY ANYBODY WAS THERE. SO THERE IS A CHANCE NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE SHOW UP. BUT WHEN YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS, PARTICULARLY IN COMMUNICATION, A NEGATIVE RESULT IS A RESULT. SO IF YOU GET A NEGATIVE RESULT OR SOMETHING THAT WASN'T WHAT YOU ANTICIPATED, THAT GOES INTO THE ALGORITHM. AGAIN. DATA SCIENTIST SO WAS IT THAT PEOPLE DIDN'T CARE ABOUT THE THING OR WAS IT THE TIME OR WAS IT THERE WERE THREE OTHER THINGS HAPPENING THAT WEEK, OR WAS IT THEY DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT, RIGHT? RIGHT. BUT AGAIN, THIS IS THIS IS STILL A THIS IS STILL IN ITS FORMATIVE STAGE. WE'RE LOOKING FOR A PROOF OF CONCEPT. OKAY. I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA. I MEAN, I'VE READ YOUR PROPOSAL WHEN YOU SENT IT ABOUT THE TOWN HALL. AND ART SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD DRAW PEOPLE POSSIBLY TO THE MEETING. RIGHT. AND HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT IT, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO IF OUR CITY COUNCIL LIAISON AND EVERYBODY CAN COME TOGETHER ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I THINK IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING GOOD, JUST INFORMATIONAL, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, I DON'T THINK EVERY AM I, I DON'T KNOW IF EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD HAS A PARK, BUT I DO KNOW THAT THERE'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE ARTISTICALLY DONE IN JUST ABOUT ANY NEIGHBORHOOD. ONE OF THE THINGS I LOVE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY ADVISORY BOARD IS EVERYONE APPROACHES EVERYTHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENTLY, BUT EVERYBODY IS LOOKING FOR SOMETHING SHARED, AND YOU DON'T ALWAYS HAVE THAT IN A BOARD.

AND WHEN YOU HAVE THESE MEETINGS, EVERYONE IS LOOKING FOR SOMETHING THAT WE SHARE.

AND FROM THAT STANDPOINT, WE GROW OUT. AND SO THAT AGAIN, SO THAT'S PART OF THE COMPOSITION

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OF THE CONVERSATION FOR SURE. WOULD YOU WOULD YOU BE OPEN FOR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT TO CONTINUE THIS CONVERSATION WITH OUR SHARED COUNCIL LIAISON AND THE BOARD TO SAY, YES, MAYBE THEY WANT TO PLAY WITH US? I THINK IT MIGHT ALSO BE HELPFUL IS AS WE BEGIN TO DEVELOP THIS, WE'LL PROBABLY BEGIN TO SEE WHERE THINGS STICK, AND WE MIGHT WANT TO GIVE THEM AN EXIT STRATEGY TO IF, IF AND SO WE MIGHT WANT TO TALK TO ANOTHER BOARD TOO. RIGHT. IF, IF, IF THEY GET WE SAY LIKE OKAY, MAYBE WE'LL DO THIS. THE NEXT ONE. I'M VERY I'M VERY, VERY SENSITIVE TO YOUR WORKLOAD. I KNOW YOUR WORKLOAD. SO AND I'M AND SO THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING AGAIN I THINK IT'D BE IMPORTANT THAT AT LEAST THE CHAIR BE AT THE THING THE ROLE OF COUNCIL AND STAFF AND THE CHAIR OF ANY BOARD OR COMMISSION IS MEANT TO BE NEUTRAL. THE GROUP THAT INTERVENES WOULD BE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. SO THIS WOULD BE FACE FORWARD COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. AND SO YOU GUYS WOULD BE THERE. YOU'D BE HEARING IT. YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO ORGANIZE IT. YOU WOULD JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KNOW WHAT NEEDS TO COME OUT OF IT.

MAYBE THAT I THINK I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA. I, I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY IMPORTANT, AS YOU MENTIONED EARLY ON, TO BE VERY SPECIFIC, WHAT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN, SOME OF THESE ACTIVITIES ARE SUCCESSFUL. YOU MAY BE EVEN PUBLISHED THE FIVE TALKING POINTS SO THAT PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE A COMMUNITY THEATER MEETING AND AND WE WANT TO GET INPUT ABOUT WHAT KIND OF PLACE PEOPLE WANT TO SEE, TONS OF PEOPLE WANT TO STAND UP AND YELL ABOUT WHY WE DON'T RENT THE SPACE AND WHY WE DO EVERYTHING ELSE. I'M LIKE, STAY ON TRACK. IF YOU HAVE TO PUBLISH THE TALKING POINTS. I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY SPECIFIC. THAT WOULD BE VERY IMPORTANT TO NARROW THAT DOWN TO MAYBE JUST FIVE MAJOR TALKING POINTS ABOUT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. I DON'T THINK THAT I THINK IT'S WITHIN WHAT WE ALL SIGNED UP TO DO, REALLY TO TO FIND OUT WHAT IS IMPORTANT, WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS LOOKING FOR AS FAR AS THE ARTS. AND I THINK WITHOUT THAT KNOWLEDGE, SOMETIMES IT'S HARD FOR US TO KNOW WHICH DIRECTION TO GO. SO I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL. YOU'RE RIGHT, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF BANDWIDTH, BUT IF WE CAME IN, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAD 2 OR 3 DIFFERENT DATES THAT WE KNEW WE MIGHT BE LOOKING AT, I THINK LOCATION IS IMPORTANT. YOU KNOW, WHERE THERE'S SOUND SYSTEM AND PEOPLE CAN HEAR AND SEE THOUGHT. THOSE ARE ALL THE THINGS THAT I WAS WORRIED ABOUT. AND NOT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT SINCE YOU YOU'VE DONE A LOT OF THIS. YES. DO YOU FIND THAT THERE'S A FORMULA THAT IT ALWAYS TAKES? IS THERE SOMETHING THAT EVERY TIME YOU DO IT SO WE CAN GO AHEAD AND TAKE THAT OFF THE TABLE SO I CAN SAY DO NOT HAVE WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO TALK ABOUT. DO NOT HAVE AN OPEN FORUM WHERE THEY ALL GET TO TALK. THEY ALL GET TO SAY WHAT THEY'RE MAD ABOUT.

YOU HAVE TO KEEP THEM ON TASK. THAT'S WHAT I ALWAYS SAY. FIVE TALKING POINTS, VERY SPECIFIC.

WHEN I HAVE ANNUAL MEMBERSHIP MEETINGS TO GO IN THERE, I HAVE A SLIDE. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT. AND THIS WE'RE GOING TO WHEN THEY GET OFF TRACK, I ALWAYS HAVE SOMEBODY WHO'S NICE AND THAT'S USUALLY NOT ME. IT'S ALWAYS HEATHER OR SOMEBODY. EVERYBODY LOVES HEATHER. SHE CAN SAY, EXCUSE ME, BUT THAT'S NOT ON THE DISCUSSION. AND IF I SAY IT, I SAY IT MY SCHOOL TEACHER VOICE AND NOBODY LIKES THAT. BUT I THINK YOU HAVE YOU HAVE APPOINTED PEOPLE TO HELP DO THAT AND GET PEOPLE BACK ON TRACK. BUT BUT THAT'S THE MAIN THING IS NO OPEN ENDED. LIKE, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THAT IS THE DEATH KNELL.

EVERYBODY HAS QUESTIONS AND YOU'RE GOING TO BE THERE THREE MORE HOURS TRYING TO ANSWER THEM. AND MAYBE WHEN THEY DO MENTION SOMETHING THAT'S NOT ONE OF THE TALKING POINTS. YOU MIGHT SAY SOMEBODY TAKING NOTES AND CONSIDER IT AS A TALKING POINT IN YOUR NEXT SESSION. HOW LONG DO YOU AND STEPPING ON ANYBODY'S TOES NOW, HOW LONG WOULD YOU WANT SOMETHING LIKE THIS TO BE? LET'S SAY THE BIGGEST POSSIBLE. LET'S SAY IT WAS A CITY WIDE TOWN HALL AND NOT A SMALL THING. HOW LONG WOULD YOU WANT TO SEE IT? I DON'T KNOW, LIKE YOUR EXPERIENCES AND OURS LIKE AND NOT NOT TO THROW ANYBODY UNDER THE BUS, BUT LIKE THE CITY TOWN HALL ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THING THAT WENT ON VERY LONG. REMEMBER, WE WERE ALL SITTING THERE AT THAT TABLE AT THE VERY FRONT, ALL LOOKING FOR THAT STRATEGY. BUT WE COULDN'T LEAVE BECAUSE WE WERE. BECAUSE WE WERE AT THE VERY FRONT. OH, I GOT AN IMPORTANT PHONE CALL.

I BETTER GO. BUT I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU PLAN FOR AN HOUR, IT MIGHT GO AN HOUR AND TEN. BUT I THINK YOU PLAN, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T YOU DON'T HAVE A TIME WHEN YOU CUT IT OFF RIGHT AT THE HOUR. BUT IF YOU PLAN FOR IT TO BE AN HOUR AND YOU KIND OF HAVE, WHAT I TRY TO DO IS HAVE A BUILT IN, LIKE I'VE GOT A LITTLE TIMER, LIKE, OKAY, IF WE'VE GOT FIVE BULLET POINTS, BULLET POINT, EACH BULLET POINT GETS LIKE 10 OR 15 MINUTES OR SO. AND AFTER THAT TIME, UNLESS THERE'S REALLY COMPREHENSIVE, IMPORTANT DISCUSSION. OKAY. I THINK WE'VE TALKED THAT ONE. LET'S GO ON TO THE NEXT ONE. YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY'S REALLY DRIVING THAT

[01:05:04]

SO THAT IT IT STAYS ON POINT. YOU KNOW, THE MAIN THING IS IF YOU DON'T HAVE A LEADER WHO WILL KEEP THEM ON POINT IN A FRIENDLY FASHION, YOU KNOW, NOT A SCHOOL TEACHER FASHION, BUT LIKE, HEY, WE NEED TO STAY HERE. I THINK I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO. I MEAN, AND YOU KNOW WHAT? THIS MAKES ME THINK, SHOULD THAT WE ACTUALLY GET TO THE POINT WITH WHOMEVER, WHETHER THIS BOARD OR THE BOARD, TO, TO HAVE A JOINT MEETING IS THEIR EXPERIENCES AND WHAT WORKED AND HASN'T WORKED. WE SHOULD COMPLETELY TAKE THEIR LEAD ON THAT. AND THEN THAT WAY IT'S JUST IT'S JUST OFF THE TABLE. AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, YOU BROUGHT UP SOMETHING INTERESTING ABOUT THE MEAN VOICE. IT'S HE'S GOING TO BE THE MEAN VOICE, Y'ALL. HE GETS TO BE THE MEAN VOICE. SO YOU GUYS MEETING I HAVE I HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE DESIGNATED OKAY. YOU'RE THE NICE ONE. YOU'RE GOING TO BE THE YOU'RE THE GOING TO BE THE SHUT IT DOWN PERSON. YOU'RE GOING TO BE THIS ONE. DAVID, WHEN YOU LIVED IN DUNCANVILLE, HE WAS THE MAGICIAN. AND HE WAS AWESOME AT THAT. HE COULD ALWAYS REFOCUS EVERYBODY WITH THE MAGIC TRICK OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, GET EVERYBODY BACK WHERE YOU WANTED THEM TO BE.

BUT YOU YOU ASSIGN THOSE ROLES BEFORE THE MEETING EVER STARTS. WELL, AND, YOU KNOW, AND I'VE HEARD LINDA SPEAK AT LEAST A HALF A DOZEN TIMES. AND WHENEVER SHE SPEAKS IMMEDIATELY BECOMES A LASER, YOU KNOW, AND IMMEDIATELY EVERYONE'S ENGAGED. AND I HAVE I'VE GOT A CHANCE TO HEAR YOU SPEAK. AND THERE'S, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE, FORTUNATELY, EVERYONE AT THIS BOARD IS VERY EXPERIENCED AND GETTING INFORMATION. AND SO I THINK THAT ONE OF THE MOST HELPFUL THINGS THAT WE CAN DO IS TAKE EVERYTHING OFF THE TABLE THEY'VE ALREADY DONE. THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE, THEY DON'T LIKE IT. THEY WOULD BE THE NICE PEOPLE IN THE BACK DRINKING A GLASS OF WINE. YOU WOULD BE THE GUY IN THE FRONT THAT EVERYBODY WOULD HATE. NOT REALLY. AGAIN, IT'S ABOUT NEUTRALITY, RIGHT? YOU CAN'T IT BE DIFFICULT FOR SOMEONE TO BE OPEN ABOUT THE ARTS IF THEY DON'T WANT TO HURT YOUR FEELINGS? ABSOLUTELY. NO. WE HAVE NO. YEAH, I THINK IT'S I THINK IT'S GOOD. AND I THINK IT'S GOOD TO USE US. LIKE YOU SAID, EVERYBODY EVERYBODY IS EXCITED AND TALKING ABOUT IT. AND THAT'S GOOD EXPOSURE FOR US TO AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO PROMOTE OURSELVES, BECAUSE I THINK WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH WHAT YOU'RE DOING. I THINK THE PRELIMINARY ASK WOULD BE TO, FOR, YOU KNOW, THIS BOARD TO JUST KIND OF COME UP WITH THOSE FIVE POINTS, RIGHT? OKAY. YOU KNOW, MY GOAL IS NOT TO ADD WORK TO THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF WHAT OUR PURPOSE IS KIND OF CRYSTALLIZING TO, YOU KNOW, IS FACILITATING ALL OF THIS, YOU KNOW, SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THE INDIVIDUAL BOARDS DON'T HAVE TO DO ALL OF THAT PRE-PRODUCTION WORK, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, BUT THE AGENDA AND THE STUFF THAT YOU AS A COMMISSION WANT TO COMMUNICATE TO THE COMMUNITY AND GET BACK FROM THE COMMUNITY, YOU GUYS ARE THE EXPERTS, RIGHT? SO, YEAH, WE COULD DO THAT. WELL, IF THERE'S CONSENSUS, I WOULD LOVE TO TAKE IT BACK AND SHOW BECAUSE THIS IS RECORDED SHOW THIS MEETING TO COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, GET THEIR INPUT. AND WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO A JOINT MEETING? YES OF COURSE.

YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. WELL THANK YOU GUYS. IT'S GOOD SEEING EVERYBODY. GOOD TO SEE

[5.C. Ellafair at BloomFest 2026]

YOU OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ON BLUMFEST OR. WE'LL TALK LATER THIS YEAR. THOMPSON. AS FAR AS US ON BLUMFEST WITH DEVIN, BECAUSE EVERYTHING I'VE DISCUSSED, I'VE DISCUSSED WITH DEVIN. OKAY. OKAY. I KNOW FOR L'AFFAIRE, WE HAVE BOOKED THE SENIOR CENTER FOR Y'ALL TO BE THERE ON FRIDAY FOR Y'ALL'S RECEPTION AS WELL AS SATURDAY FOR THE EVENT ITSELF. BOTH THINGS ARE BOOKED. YOUR RENTAL, YOUR RENTAL AT THE SENIOR CENTER STARTS FRIDAY, ANY TIME AFTER THREE, JUST BECAUSE THEY STILL HAVE SENIOR ACTIVITIES AND IT COULD PROBABLY BE PUSHED UP. THEY JUST HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK THEIR CALENDAR AND THINGS GOING ON IF YOU NEED IT EARLIER THAN THREE DAY REMINDER FRIDAY THE EIGHTH AND SATURDAY THE 9TH OF MAY, MAY, MAY 9TH EIGHT. THE NINTH IS WHEN Y'ALL WILL HAVE THE SENIOR CENTER. BLOOM FEST IS ON THE NINTH, AND THEN BLOOM FEST ITSELF IS FROM 4 TO 10 P.M. SO THAT'S WHAT WILL BE. IT WILL BE GOING IN AND OUT OF THERE. IT IS NOT CURRENTLY ON THE EVENT CALENDAR. IT'S NOT CURRENTLY TIED IN ANY WAY TO BLUE FEST. SO REALLY JUST NEED THAT FROM YOUR OKAY, NEED SOME TYPE OF ADVERTISING. YEAH. NEED TO KNOW WHAT YOU WANT TO ADVERTISE BECAUSE AT THIS POINT IT SEEMS TO ME THERE IS MAYBE TIMES AND DEFINITELY DATES AND THE LOCATION. AND RON IS COORDINATING THAT. BUT IF ANYBODY WANTS TO WORK WITH RON ON IT. ON THE ARTS COMMISSION

[01:10:05]

AND JUST LET ME KNOW OR. OTHER THAN THAT IT WOULD BE, THANK YOU FOR LAST YEAR. NO, I THINK HE'S LOOKING FOR DOESN'T NECESSARILY SEND PEOPLE DIFFERENT ARTISTS OR DIFFERENT IDEAS OF ARTISTS TO BE THERE. SO IF YOU HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS, NOW WOULD BE THE TIME TO I MEAN, TO GET ARTISTS. I MEANT TO ORGANIZERS. OH, WITH GAIL. YEAH, I WAS GOING TO SAY I THINK HE'S STILL SOMEWHAT WORK WITH ME. I DIDN'T KNOW IF GAIL WAS BRINGING IN THE ARTIST AGAIN OR WHAT THE PLAN WAS THERE. I THINK IS MOSTLY DOING IT. OKAY. SHE MAY BE ASSISTING, BUT YEAH, BUT I THOUGHT I THINK HE'S TAKEN THE LEAD ON IT. OKAY. YEAH, BUT WE CAN. I'LL TALK TO HIM. KIM. HE SENT ME SOME STUFF ON IT, BUT I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH HIM ON THAT.

[Items 5.D & 5.E]

OKAY. SO NOW D AND E ARE ACTUALLY THE SAME THING. JUST JUST ONE TRAVERSED THE OTHER.

BUT SO WE'LL NEXT ONE IS D AND E AND MR. HAMBY. SO I JUST GOT EVERY FEW MONTHS SOMEBODY REACHES OUT TO BRING UP THE MURAL AT COCKRELL HILL AND DANIEL DALE, WHICH WAS STARTED PRE-COVID, WAS STOPPED BECAUSE OF COVID. AND PEOPLE REACH OUT TO FIND OUT ABOUT WHEN IS IT GOING TO BE FINISHED OR WHEN IS IT COMING DOWN. I THINK WE BROUGHT THIS BEFORE, BUT I WANTED TO BRING IT BACK AGAIN AND SEE IF YOU HAD ANY DIRECTION FOR ME AS FAR AS PUTTING IT ON FUTURE AGENDAS OR PUTTING THIS IN SOME. WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO IF YOU WANT TO DO ANYTHING? CURTIS WAS INVOLVED IN THAT AND LAST TIME I WAS BROUGHT UP WITH HIM THERE, HE SAID, OH YEAH, I NEED TO GET THAT FINISHED. SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE FINISHED BY HIM BECAUSE HE WAS PART OF STARTING IT, OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO ORGANIZE A WORK DAY OR WHAT? WHAT IS IT THAT YOU NEED? I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW WHAT I NEED.

I JUST KNOW THAT COMMUNICATIONS COME INTO ME, AND THIS WAS NOT PARTICULARLY A PUBLIC COMMENT.

IT'S JUST, HEY, IS THE ARTS COMMISSION GOING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT? WHICH I THINK HAS BEEN THE CONSISTENT CONVERSATION? I'VE HEARD IT AT CITY HALL MEETINGS. I'VE GONE TO, I'VE HEARD PUBLIC COMMENT PEOPLE COMING UP AND SAYING THAT TO, SO WHY IS IT NOT FINISHED? IS THERE A REASON? I DON'T THINK THEY EVER WENT BACK TO IT AFTER IT GOT PAUSED? I DON'T KNOW THE WHOLE STORY BECAUSE THAT MURAL WAS I WAS IN A DIFFERENT PLACE IN THE CITY AT THAT POINT. SO I DON'T KNOW ALL THE BACKGROUND ON WHO ORGANIZED IT, WHO PAID FOR IT.

BUT I KNOW THAT COVID PAUSED IT AND JUST NOBODY WENT BACK. I KNOW JESSICA JAMES, WHO WAS THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PERSON, LEAD PERSON THEN, WAS IN CHARGE OF IT AT THE TIME. NOW, WHETHER OR NOT THEY PAID FOR IT, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO ANY OF THAT, BUT I WAS AT COUNCIL THE NIGHT SHE MADE THE PRESENTATION BECAUSE SHE KIND OF REFERRED TO IT AS A PAINT BY NUMBER. AND THEY COULD DO VOLUNTEERS AND PEOPLE COULD HAVE THEIR LITTLE SECTION AND PAINT. AND SO I REMEMBER ALL OF THAT. BUT YOU'RE RIGHT. THEN THERE WAS COVID AND IT ALL JUST KIND OF AS SO MANY THINGS HAPPENED AFTER THAT. SO WE DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO FINISH THAT MURAL. DO WE NEED TO GET AN ASSESSMENT OR SOMETHING OR HAVE I THINK CURTIS NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT IN JUST YEAH, TALK TO CURTIS. SO WOULD YOU. SO I CAN SEND HIM AN INVITE TO THE NEXT MEETING TO DISCUSS THIS AND SEE IF HE CAN BRIEF YOU ON WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, BACKGROUND OF IT, WHAT WHAT WAS DONE, WHAT HE INFORMATION FROM IT. YEAH. YEAH.

NOT EVEN ASKING HIM TO DO IT. WE NEED INFORMATION. OH. WHAT? YEAH. OR. YEAH. OR WHAT. WHAT IS IT THAT WOULD NEED TO BE DONE TO FINISH IT? WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE IT HAPPEN? SO PEOPLE COULD STOP TALKING ABOUT FRESHEN IT UP. NEEDS TO LOOK NICE AND. YEAH. AND EVEN IF IT IF IT AND IF IT'S GOING TO COST SOMETHING, HOW MUCH IS IT GOING TO COST? I MEAN I DRIVE PAST IT SEVERAL TIMES EVERY DAY. SO I LIVE OFF OF COCKRELL HILL, OKAY. AND I WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT FINISHED AND WE NEED TO GET IT FINISHED. SO AND SEE, I WHEN I LOOK AT IT I DON'T SEE IT LIKE THAT. YEAH I DON'T EITHER. I DRIVE IT BY AND I GUESS BECAUSE I GUESS I'VE SEEN ART WITH NO FACES. WELL, YEAH. AND IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME SO MUCH AS THE COMMENTS THAT PEOPLE SAY SO THEN I SEE IT. SO I'M NOT SURE. YEAH, I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO BE FINISHED. BUT LIKE, YOU'RE RIGHT, HE CAN TELL US IF IT'S UNFINISHED, WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE FOR IT TO BE FINISHED. FINISHED. YEAH, MAYBE IT IS. I DON'T, BUT HE CAN TELL US. WE DON'T KNOW. HE DOESN'T THINK IT'S THE. PERRY'S ALSO SAID THAT THEY DIDN'T

[01:15:05]

THINK IT WAS FINISHED AND I THINK THEY WERE INVOLVED. YEAH I REMEMBER I REMEMBER AN SAYING SOMETHING LIKE THAT. OKAY SO SO MAYBE WHEN YOU INVITE THEM TO THE NEXT MEET, CAN YOU ASK THEM TO GO AHEAD AND MAYBE LOOK AT IT AND THEN COME IN AND TELL US ALREADY HAVE LOOKED AT IT, SURE TO TELL US. I WILL INVITE HIM AND SEE IF HE CAN TELL THE STORY OF THE MURAL, WHERE IT IS, WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO TAKE IT TO THE NEXT STEP. F TAKING IT TO. I'LL ASK HIM TO COME IN WITH A WHO, WHAT, WHERE, WHEN, WHY AND HOW. OKAY. YES. OKAY. BECAUSE HE'S LIKE THE MURALIST FOR THE CITY. I WAS EVERY MURAL. I THINK HE HAS HAD SOME INPUT IN IT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. NUMBER

[5.F. Second quarter grant applications, policy revisions, and third quarter application cycle briefing.]

F SECOND QUARTER GRANT APPLICATIONS, POLICY REVISIONS, THIRD QUARTER APPLICATION CYCLE BRIEFING. MR. HAMBY. SO YOU WERE PROBABLY EXPECTING THAT THE GRANT APPLICATIONS WOULD BE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS WOULD GO BEFORE THE COUNCIL ON FEBRUARY 17TH. THE ITEM GOT PULLED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY. HE WANTED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH ME, AND WE'VE SINCE HAD THAT CONVERSATION. SO THE ITEM WILL NOW BE IT IS NOW ITEM EIGHT F IN THE NEXT WEEK AND NEXT TUESDAY'S MEETING. SO THAT WILL BE GOING BEFORE THEM. MADE ONE REVISION TO THE RESOLUTION THAT I SUBMITTED, WHICH WAS THAT THE FUNDING FOR THE PODCAST, I'VE TAKEN THAT OUT SO THAT THAT CAN GO BACK INTO THE BALANCE, AS OUR DEPARTMENT WILL HELP SUPPORT THAT. WITH FRANCISCO EDITING THE EQUIPMENT AND EVERYTHING, AND WE WILL MAKE IT WORK SO THAT YOU CAN KEEP THAT MONEY IN AND YOU CAN HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY WITH THE PODCAST. SECOND THING, OKAY, SO THAT'S COVERED THE START DATE IN THE POLICY. IT ALLOWED FOR DATES TO CHANGE. SO IT'S CLEARLY STATED ON THE WEBSITE THAT ALL THE DATES THAT WE OUTLINED WERE SUBJECT TO CHANGE. SO THE NEXT GRANT CYCLE WILL START ON THE FOURTH. AFTER I HAVE GOTTEN THROUGH ITEM G G ON THE NEXT COUNCIL AGENDA, WHICH IS THE POLICY REVISION. SO THAT'S GOING TO BE GOING BEFORE COUNCIL FOR THEM TO CONSIDER AND ADOPT. THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS SEEN IT. THERE WAS AN ADDITIONAL ADDITIONAL CHANGE THAT I HAD TO MAKE ON THE FLY, WHICH HAD TO DO WITH MURALS BECAUSE I DID NOT IN THE ORIGINAL POLICY. I DID NOT PREDICT OR ADVISE THAT MURALS AND THE MURAL ORDINANCE SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING SET IN THE POLICY ABOUT THAT, ABOUT APPLYING FOR A PERMIT SO BOTH THINGS CAN TRAVEL AT THE SAME TIME. SO THAT IS THE ONLY THING THAT WAS NOT IN THE VERSION THAT YOU RECOMMENDED. THAT WILL BE GOING BEFORE COUNCIL. AND A COUPLE LITTLE WORD CHANGES THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY PRESENTED TO ME. SO THE GOAL IS TO HAVE ALL OF THOSE CHANGES MADE TO THE WEBSITE ON THE FOURTH, AND FOR IT TO GO LIVE ON THE FOURTH FOR THE NEXT GRANT CYCLE. OKAY. REAL QUICK QUESTION, ALEX. YES, MA'AM. IS THE MURAL CONSIDERED LIKE AN A MEETING APPROVAL, LIKE THE SIGN? YES, MA'AM. AND THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE CASE FOR THE CITY. I DON'T KNOW, ACTUALLY. NO, I DO KNOW IT WAS SOMETHING. IT WAS ORIGINALLY ADOPTED ON OCTOBER 5TH, 2004. YES. SO IT HAS BEEN THAT WAY THAT LONG? I JUST WONDERED. SO THOSE WILL BE THE POLICY REVISIONS WILL ALSO BE DONE ON THE FOURTH. AND THEN THE LAST THING WITH REGARDS TO THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC IS I WAS ASKED IF THERE IS A WAY THAT WE CAN SHORTEN THE INTRODUCTIONS TO THE BRIEFING, THE WAY THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING THE BRIEFING, WHICH I KIND OF CAME UP WITH AS A WAY TO DO THIS SO THE COUNCIL COULD MEET THE GRANT APPLICANTS, GET AN IDEA OF WHAT THE GRANT APPLICANT WAS ASKING FOR, BE INTRODUCED TO THEIR PROJECT. I WAS ASKED IF I COULD SHORTEN THAT DRAMATICALLY, AND ONE IDEA WAS DOING A VIDEO WITH ALL THE GRANT APPLICANTS WHERE THEY COULD GIVE A LIKE A 32ND, RATHER THAN A TWO MINUTE INTRODUCTION, AND I CAN EDIT IT INTO A SINGLE VIDEO THAT CAN BE PLAYED DURING THAT SEGMENT AND CUT IT, CUT SOME OF THE TIME OUT. SO I WANTED TO ASK YOU IF YOU GUYS THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA, OR IF IT'S IF YOU HAD ANOTHER IDEA FOR SHORTENING THAT DRAMATICALLY. I THOUGHT TWO MINUTES WAS NICE AND SHORT, BUT THEY SAID IT'S TOO LONG. WELL, WE HAD, I THINK, BECAUSE WE HAD SO MANY. YEAH, I THINK GIVEN THE NUMBER, I THINK IT BECOMES TEDIOUS. AND WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE HUMAN BRAIN AT SOME POINT QUITS LISTENING, SHUT DOWN. YEAH. I MEAN, IT JUST DOES. SO I HAVE TWO THINGS TO SAY ABOUT THAT, I THINK SHORTENING EVEN TO A 32ND

[01:20:05]

VIDEO, IF YOU GIVE THEM 30S, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT. BUT IF YOU DO HAVE THEM DO A 32ND PROMO THAT YOU COULD SHOW, MAYBE THEY THEY CAN RECORD IT AND SEND IT TO YOU THE 32ND THING ON THEIR PHONE OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT THAT THAT WAY. IT'S ON THEM WHETHER YOU KNOW WHETHER IT'S GREAT OR NOT. HI, I'M SO-AND-SO, I'VE APPLIED FOR A GRANT TO DO BLAH BLAH. THIS IS WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO. YOU'VE GOT THE PACKET. I APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION. SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YOU KNOW, CAN I ASK A QUESTION BASED ON THAT? YES.

WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING YOU WOULD ALL WANT TO SEE TOO, FOR YOUR MEETING? ABSOLUTELY. YEAH, I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, AFTER WE, I MEAN SUCH WHEN WE WERE AT THE MEETING, I'D NEVER BEEN TO ONE WHEN THEY WERE PRESENTED. IT WAS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE TO HEAR WHAT THEY WERE DOING. YES, WE READ WHAT THEY SAID, BUT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE AREN'T. WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF I SHOULD SAY THAT LIKE THAT, BUT WRITING AND TALKING ARE VERY DIFFERENT. SO I'D LOVE TO SEE, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S. YEAH, I WAS GOING TO MENTION THAT MARY ANN WAS SAYING THAT IT WAS SAID WONDERED IF MAYBE WE ACTUALLY TAKE THE TIME AND HAVE THEM COME IN AND MAYBE DO THE TWO MINUTES HERE AND MAYBE YOU COULD FILM IT. JUST AN IDEA FROM THIS CONVERSATION IS THEY COULD COME AND PRESENT TO YOU AND THEN AND THEN I TAKE THAT AND CUT IT DOWN AND JUST ASK THEM ALL. IT'S A TWO MINUTE. YEAH. IT'S TO YOU ALL. THEN THEY ALL DO THEIR TWO MINUTES THAT SEGMENTS DONE. WE ASK THEM TO LEAVE OR THEY CAN HANG OUT BUT THEY CAN'T AS THEY DON'T ENGAGE PAST THAT. AND THEN I EDIT DOWN THEIR PRESENTATIONS INTO A 32ND. IS THAT A LOT OF WORK FOR YOU? YEAH, I DIDN'T SAY IT WAS GOING TO BE FUN, BUT I WAS ASKED TO MAKE SURE I STILL SAY WE GET WE ASK THEM TO DO THE, YOU KNOW, START WITH THEIR 32ND PROMO WHERE THEY TAKE A SELFIE VIDEO AND SAY THAT THEN IF THAT IS SLOPPY OR WHATEVER, NOT WHAT WE WANT, THEN WE CAN. I HATE FOR YOUR PLATE IS FAIRLY FULL. WELL WELL WELL, DID YOU WANT TO TRY WITH THIS NEXT RUN TO ASK THEM TO SUBMIT THAT? BECAUSE IT'S EASIER TO PUT IT ALL TOGETHER INTO A MONTAGE, OR BASICALLY EDIT THEM ALL TOGETHER AND JUST HAVE THEM GO ONE AFTER THE OTHER, AND THEN YOU CAN ALL WATCH THAT, AND YOU CAN BE THE FIRST TO BE THE TEST AUDIENCE TO SEE IF THAT WORKS. AND THEN I JUST TAKE THAT VIDEO IF YOU'RE LIKE, YEAH, THAT KIND OF WORKED. I CAN TAKE IT TO COUNCIL, BUT YOU'RE YOU'RE ASSUMING I'M SORRY. YOU'RE ASSUMING THAT THEY MAY NOT KNOW HOW TO VIDEO OR HAVE SOMEBODY VIDEO RECORD. WE'RE JUST ASSUMING THAT THEY KNOW HOW TO DO THAT AND SEND IT. THEY MAY OR MAY NOT, BUT I DON'T KNOW.

WE TALKED ABOUT EITHER OR AT ONE POINT SOME LONG TIME AGO THAT THEY COULD EITHER COME OR DO A VIDEO. THIS IS A LONG TIME AGO, SAME AMOUNT OF TIME. BUT BUT THEN THEY'D BE VIDEOED HERE.

OKAY. LET ME I PERSONALLY THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE EACH APPLICANT SEND IN A 32ND VIDEO SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ALL THE EDITING, BUT WE GET THE PICTURE OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING BECAUSE WE HAVE THE APPLICATION, THE APPLICATION IN 30S HOPEFULLY WILL BE SUFFICIENT FOR US TO GET A GOOD. THAT WAY YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO EDITING WHEN YOU MAKE A 32ND AD ON TV. WELL, AND I THINK MOST PEOPLE HAVE THE PHONE THAT THEY CAN DO IT ON, OR THEY HAVE A KID THAT CAN DO IT FOR THEM. FOR THEM. OKAY, LINDA, CONSISTENCY. YOU MIGHT RATHER DO THAT SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO MESS WITH A BUNCH OF FILES. MESSING WITH FILES IS CAN BE A NIGHTMARE. IF EACH APPLICANT WERE TO SEND OVER A 32ND VIDEO INTRODUCING THEIR PROJECT, ALL I HAVE TO DO IS PUT THEM IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER. AND THAT'S REALLY THAT IS GRABBING A BUNCH OF FILES, DROPPING THEM IN, PUTTING THEM IN IN THE ORDER, EXPORTING THEM, WHICH ONLY THAT WOULD ALL TAKE ABOUT IF I WAS BEING REALLY DRAMATIC ABOUT WHAT WAS ME. I'M WORKING TOO HARD. MAYBE TEN MINUTES. IF I WAS JUST DOING, IF I WAS JUST DOING THE VIDEOS AS IS PUTTING THEM IN ORDER, THAT WOULD TAKE ME LIKE TEN HOURS. BUT WELL, BECAUSE I'M NOT, I WON'T BE CUTTING THEM, I WON'T BE, I WON'T BE DOING FANCY EDITING. IT WILL JUST BE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR. AND I WILL ASK, INTRODUCE, INTRODUCE YOURSELF, INTRODUCE YOUR PROJECT AND GIVE YOUR BASICALLY YOUR ELEVATOR PITCH. AND THEN YEAH, NONE OF THIS REALLY INTRODUCTORY STUFF YOU KNOW OR CLOSING OUT STUFF. JUST ELEVATOR PITCH IS GOOD ENOUGH TERM. SO AND THEN ALL I HAVE TO DO IS JUST PUT IN A COUPLE SECOND SPACE SO THAT, YOU KNOW THAT THERE'S A DIFFERENT VIDEO.

[01:25:05]

OKAY, I AGREE, THE 32ND VIDEO IS ENOUGH AND WE'RE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS ON EVERY ONE OF THESE. YEAH. SO THAT HAS BEEN THAT WILL BE PRESENTED WITH THAT 32ND COUNCILWOMAN. AND DO YOU ALL WANT TO SEE THE 32ND VIDEOS TOO. YES. OKAY. IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE A TEST AUDIENCE BEFORE. BEFORE. YEAH. NO, I THINK IT'S GOOD, BUT I DON'T THINK I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, IT JUST SEEMS TO ME TOO, THAT IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT OF THE APPLICATION. YOU CAN'T GET THAT DONE ANYWAY YET DOESN'T THEY? DON'T. HOW CAN YOU WORD THAT? SO IT'S NOT WE AREN'T GOING TO CONSIDER YOU UNLESS YOU'VE GOT THE VIDEO. I WASN'T GOING TO TAKE THAT APPROACH BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD APPLICANTS AND SO FAR THAT I'VE PRESENTED WHERE THEY WEREN'T HERE AND THEN YOU MEAN NOTHING BUT THE APPLICATION. AND ALL I DO IS PUT UP A TITLE SLIDE AND THIS PERSON. WELL THAT'S TRUE. SO SUBMITTED THIS. THAT'S TRUE TOO OKAY OKAY OKAY. SO WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT OKAY 32ND. SO AS I GET APPLICATIONS IN THIS TIME I'LL ASK I'LL INVITE THEM TO BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN THE POLICY. IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT. I'LL INVITE THEM TO SEND A 32ND VIDEO THAT WILL BE SHOWN TO THE ARTS COMMISSION ON THE NIGHT WHEN YOU ALL REVIEW THE APPLICATIONS, AND THEN ALSO TO CITY COUNCIL, AND WE CAN INVITE THEM TO THIS SHOWING THEIR VIDEOS JUST IN CASE THEY'RE. NO, NO, YOU WOULDN'T SAY THEY COULDN'T COME TO THE COUNCIL MEETING WHERE THE INFORMATION IS. NO, NO. THEY COME TO A COUNCIL MEETING. I MEAN NO NO NO NO. BUT WHAT WE DO WHEN WE I MEAN, EVERYTHING IS OPEN. THEY CAN DO ANYTHING. THE WE CALL THE RATING PARTIAL.

OH NO NO NO I DON'T WANT THEM INVOLVED IN THAT. I'M SAYING WHEN THEY GO TO THE COUNCIL FIRST LET ME MAKE SURE WE GOT THIS RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO DO THE 32ND VIDEO TO THE CITY COUNCIL WHEN THEY'RE MAKING THE CONSIDERATION FOR THESE AWARDEES. YES, YES. OKAY. SO IF THEY'RE GOING TO DO THE 30S, WE SHOULD HAVE THEM THERE JUST IN CASE THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I'VE SEEN THESE THINGS GO ON BEFORE AND THE COUNCIL WILL ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT SOMETHING. YES.

AND SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE DO INVITE THEM TO IT. YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME. YEAH. BUT NOT FOR US. WE'LL WATCH IT TOO. YEAH. AND THEN IT WILL BE THE ONES THAT WE DON'T RECOMMEND.

WE DON'T SEND FORWARD THE VIDEO. RIGHT. I'M NOT SURE WE SHOULD DO IT I WILL ASK I WILL ASK THEM TO SEND THE VIDEO WHEN I RECEIVE THE APPLICATION SO THAT THERE'S NOT ANY. SO THAT THERE'S NOT ANY DECISION. HAS NO DECISION HAS BEEN MADE. RIGHT. AND EVEN AND REMEMBER, WE ALWAYS PUT EVEN IF WE DIDN'T RECOMMEND IT, IT STILL GOES BEFORE CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE THEY CAN OVERRIDE IT AND CHANGE THE DECISION. OH, SO THEY SEE ALL OF THEM WHETHER WE RECOMMENDED IT OR NOT? YES. HOW DID I NOT KNOW THAT? YOU JUST MISSED IT. THAT'S OKAY, THAT'S OKAY. NEVER MIND. WE ALWAYS GET WE ALWAYS DID IT IN THE POSITIVE. BUT BUT THIS WOULD TAKE WHAT WAS ESSENTIALLY A SAY. IF IT WAS 12, THAT WOULD BE A 24 MINUTE PRESENTATION AND 12 APPLICANTS TO TAKE IT DOWN TO SIX MINUTES. SO IT WOULD MAKE IT A REALLY TIDY THING FOR THEM TO. THAT'S GOOD. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. AND AND YOU CAN PLAY IT. THIS IS JUST MY THOUGHT, MY LAST COMMENT. YOU CAN PLAY IT. YOU CAN PLAY IT AT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING. BUT THE CITY COUNCIL PEOPLE, THEY CAN LOOK AT IT IN ADVANCE WHEN THEY GET THE WORKSHOP STUFF IN THERE.

COULD THEY NOT DOWNLOAD IT AND REVIEW IT IN ADVANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING THAT I HAVE TO SEE, BECAUSE TYPICALLY THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED. OKAY, THAT MAKES SENSE. I JUST HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET IT TO THEM. AND I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING ON THAT. AND THAT WAS WHEN I WAS THE ONE THAT VOTED AGAINST THE THERE'S THAT ONE THING IN THE POLICY, AND I JUST WANT TO BRING THIS UP AND IT'S NOT ANYTHING YOU MIGHT. MY OPINION IS THAT IN THE POLICY, IT SAYS THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE CITY COUNCIL PERSON ABOUT YOUR APPLICATION AND HAVING APPLIED FOR AND RECEIVED HOT FUNDS FOR OVER 30 YEARS. I CAN'T THINK OF A YEAR THAT A CITY COUNCIL PERSON HASN'T CALLED ME AND SAID, HEY, WHAT ARE YOU DOING? YOU KNOW, AND THEY INITIATE IT AND THEY WENT BACKGROUND NOT I'M NOT TRYING TO INFLUENCE. IN FACT, USUALLY I'M LIKE, HEY, DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. I'M NOT TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, I'M TAKING THE HIGH ROAD HERE, BUT I THINK, I THINK I AND I THOUGHT THAT'S THE REASON I VOTED AGAINST THAT.

I THINK IT'S BENEFICIAL FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO BE ENGAGED IF THEY HAVE QUESTIONS. YOU KNOW, I THINK THEY HAVE THE PREROGATIVE IF THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE BEING UNDULY INFLUENCED OR SOMEBODY'S TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, SING LOUDLY ABOUT THEIR, YOU KNOW, THEIR THING, THAT THEY CAN SAY THANK YOU. THAT'S NOT REALLY. I JUST NEED YOU TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS. AND I'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, I JUST HAVE TWO QUESTIONS FOR YOU. I MEAN, I REMEMBER I CAN TELL YOU THEY'VE ALL CALLED ME THE MAYOR HAS, YOU KNOW, QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT ARE YOU DOING? HOW WHAT

[01:30:03]

KIND OF SHOWS ARE YOU DOING? HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO ATTRACT? THEY WANT THAT INFORMATION SO THEY CAN MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION. SO AT SOME POINT I MIGHT YOU KNOW, I STILL KIND OF FEEL THAT THAT THAT IS LIMITING NOT REALLY TO THE APPLICANT BUT TO THE CITY COUNCIL, LIKE WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT. COULD THEY GET THAT INFORMATION? YOU KNOW, I'VE NEVER HAD THEM NOT CALL ME ABOUT. SO JUST SO THAT YOU'RE AWARE, ON THE 3RD FEBRUARY THIRD, WHEN THIS ITEM WENT BEFORE THEM, ALL THE APPLICATIONS WERE ATTACHED TO THEIR AGENDA. THEY HAD ACCESS TO ALL OF THE APPLICATIONS, AND THEN THEY GET THEM AGAIN. SO THEY GET ACCESS TO THE APPLICATIONS TWICE. THOSE WERE REDACTED APPLICATIONS. SO TAKING OUT SOME OF THE STUFF THAT YOU ALL WERE VERY SENSITIVE TO SEE, I REDACTED THEM BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THAT DOES BECOME PART OF THEIR MINUTES, BUT THEY GOT TO SEE THEM TWICE, HAD ACCESS TO THEM TWICE AS OF TODAY. OKAY, OKAY. GOOD DEAL. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

[6.A. Xela Bistro Mural Reconsideration]

ITEM SIX ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. SIX A'S. SHAYLA BISTRO MURAL RECONSIDERATION.

THAT WAS ME. AND THAT IS TABLED. NOT WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT. THERE'S NOTHING TO DISCUSS. SO

[6.B. Consider Recommending a Permit for the Xela Bistro Mural]

I ASKED THAT THAT BE TABLED AND SIX BE CONSIDER RECOMMENDING A PERMIT TO SHAYLA BISTRO MURAL.

THAT'S WHAT MR. HAMBY HAD TALKED ABOUT EARLIER. WE HAD A MURAL THERE TRYING TO MOVE FORWARD. YOU'LL SEE A RENDITION, WHICH IS THE LAST COPY IN YOUR THING ABOUT IT. AND PART OF THE PROCESS THAT WE WEREN'T AWARE OF, BUT THAT MADE MR. AWARE THAT THAT HAD TO BE A PERMIT PROCESS. SO WHEN THEY WERE TRYING TO MOVE FORWARD, THEY DIDN'T HAVE A PERMIT. SO WE NEED TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL FOR PERMIT, JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND. SO THIS THE ORDINANCE CAME BACK TO THE ORDINANCE CHANGED SWITCHING IT FROM KEEP DUNCANVILLE BEAUTIFUL TO YOU. SO THE PROCESS IS NOW MURALS ARE. SOMEBODY GOES AND THEY APPLY FOR A PERMIT. IF IT GOES TO THE NORMAL PATH, THEY APPLY FOR A MURAL PERMIT. IT GOES TO YOU FIRST TO LOOK AT FOR ITS ARTISTIC MERIT, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO JUDGE IT.

THEN YOU MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE OR NOT APPROVE IT OR HOWEVER YOU WANT TO HANDLE THAT. AND THEN IF THEY APPROVE IT, THE PERMIT GETS RELEASED THE NEXT DAY. IF THEY DON'T APPROVE IT, THEN THE PERMIT DOESN'T GET RELEASED. SO THAT'S THE CURRENT WORKFLOW PER THE ORDINANCE. AND YOUR PART IN THIS QUESTION ABOUT THE I THINK THE ISSUE WAS THAT IT HAD THE SHAPE OF BISTROS. SO THEN IT TURNED INTO A BUSINESS SIGN INSTEAD OF JUST A MURAL. IS THAT SOMETHING WE NEED TO. SO YES, THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED IN ITEM EIGHT. I KNOW EIGHT H ON TUESDAY, WHICH IS A REVISION TO THE ORDINANCE THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR THE BUSINESS NAME TO APPEAR ON IT. OKAY. SO WHAT YOU NEED FROM US IS A VOTE TO APPROVE THE PERMIT. AND IF YES, IF YOU RECOMMEND APPROVE RECOMMENDATION, IF YOU'RE RECOMMENDING THAT THEY APPROVE IT OR NOT, I MOVE TO RECOMMEND APPROVING THE SECOND. OKAY. IT'S BEEN MOVED BY MR. BROWNING AND SECOND, BY MR. TAYLOR TO APPROVE THE PERMIT FOR SHAYLA BISTRO. AND IN READINESS. DO YOU DO WE KNOW WHO'S DOING IT? YES. OH, DO WE KNOW WHO? THE NAME OF THE ARTIST. NO, BUT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO START NEXT WEEK. THAT'S REALLY NICE. IT IS NICE. NICE PIECE. YEAH. ALEX MAY KNOW THE NAME OF THE ARTIST. I DON'T I DO KNOW NOT KNOW THE NAME OF THE ARTIST. AND THEY DIDN'T INCLUDE IT IN AN READINESS. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NAY. CAN I ASK A FAVOR ON THIS PARTICULAR ONE? CAN EVERYBODY WHO'S IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND? OKAY. THANK YOU. AYES HAVE IT. MOTION CARRIES. I'M SORRY. YES. YOU SAID NEXT WEEK. SO IS NEXT TUESDAY DONE? THIS? THEY VOTE OR NEXT WEEK. AND THEN IT WOULD LITERALLY BE THE NEXT DAY.

WEDNESDAY. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YEAH. THEY'RE JUST WAITING TO GO THROUGH THESE LAST TWO STEPS AND THEN THEY'RE READY TO GO OKAY. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW. ALL RIGHTY. NOW WE ARE DOWN TO SEVEN WHICH IS ADJOURNMENT AT 806. ANY.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.

Feb 24, 2026 Arts Commission

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