Jan 20, 2026 City Council

[ WORK SESSION / BRIEFING]

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GOING TO GO AHEAD AND BEGIN OUR WORK SESSION FOR TUESDAY, JANUARY 20TH, 2026. FIRST ITEM DISCUSS AGENDA ITEMS. YES. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. MOVING TO THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM SEVEN A IS. JUST CONSIDER THE MINUTES FOR THE JANUARY 6TH REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS TAYLOR IS AVAILABLE OR ANY ANY CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE MADE TO THAT.

OKAY. MOVING ON TO ITEM SEVEN. B CONSIDER RESOLUTION APPROVING THE SPECIAL EVENT SPONSORSHIP PACKAGE. WE DID BRIEF YOU ALL AT A PREVIOUS CITY COUNCIL MEETING, AND IF DEVIN AND LEE IS HERE, SHE CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. YES, THERE YOU ARE. IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THAT ITEM, NO QUESTIONS. ITEM SEVEN C IS CONSIDERED RESOLUTION AWARDING A BID AND AUTHORIZE A COOPERATIVE PURCHASE AGREEMENT WITH PRIME CONTROLS LP FOR AN ON DEMAND SUPERVISORY CONTROL AND DATA ACQUISITION SOFTWARE PROGRAM TO SUPPORT OUR TELEMETRY INTERPRETATION REPAIRS AT OUR WATER STORAGE FACILITIES THROUGH THE CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE. THIS CONTRACT IS, YOU KNOW, UP FOR NOT TO EXCEED $135,000. AND MATT BRYANT AND HIS TEAM ARE AVAILABLE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ITEM. NO QUESTIONS. OKAY. ITEM SEVEN D IS CONSIDERED PROPOSED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE RELATED TO THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE RAILROAD FLATS PROPERTY OWNED BY THE DUNCANVILLE COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENT. THIS ITEM WAS ORIGINALLY ON THE NOVEMBER 18TH CITY COUNCIL MEETING. AT THE TIME, COUNCIL MADE THE DECISION TO TO TABLE THIS TO THE JANUARY 20TH. WE PUT THIS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA BECAUSE STAFF DOES RECOMMEND TABLING THIS ITEM TO FEBRUARY 17TH. IT'LL GIVE US MORE TIME TO MAKE SURE YOU ALL HAVE THE DOCUMENTATION YOU NEED. ANSWER ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. WE HAVE TALKED TO THE APPLICANT THERE. THE APPLICANT IS ON BOARD WITH TABLING IT. AND SO THAT'D BE OUR RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT. YES. QUESTIONS. I WILL SAY I HAVE RESERVATIONS. THANK YOU FOR THE STAFF RECOMMENDING TABLING IT. BUT WE'RE GOING TO TABLE TO BRING BACK ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS COUNCIL HAD LAST TIME. AND THE RESERVATIONS I HAVE, AS I STATED BEFORE, IS HOW IT CAME ABOUT. THERE WAS NO PUBLIC HEARING. AND THEN WHEN IT DID COME TO THE PUBLIC, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF CONCERNS THAT CAME UP. AND I UNDERSTAND THERE'S BEEN A TOUR SINCE THEN, BUT IS IT POSSIBLE THAT WE JUST GO AHEAD AND DENY THE COMPLETE PACKAGE AND THEN BRING BACK, BECAUSE THERE WERE NO RFPS DONE FOR THE PROJECT? THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS ABOUT IT. SO IS IT POSSIBLE TO JUST GO AND SCRATCH, SCRATCH IT AND START BACK OVER AND GO THROUGH THE PROPER PROCESS AND CHANNEL? OR HOW DO WE OR DO WE JUST TABLE IT AND DISCUSS IT? WHEN IT COMES BACK UP? WE CAN SEVERAL OPTIONS. YOU CAN DEFINITELY TABLE AND DISCUSS THE 17TH. WE COULD ALSO TABLE AND MAYBE BRING BACK FOR A BRIEFING ON FEBRUARY 3RD WITH THE APPLICANT. BRIEF THE ITEM, GO THROUGH THOSE DETAILS, ANSWER QUESTIONS YOU COULD ALSO DENIED. I THINK IT WOULD HAVE TO BE PULLED FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION TO DO THAT. SO COUNCIL HAVE THE COUNCIL FEELS IT'S JUST SOMETHING I WANTED TO PUT OUT THERE AND LET THE COUNCIL DISCUSS HOW THEY CHOOSE TO MOVE FORWARD, HOW WE CHOOSE TO. WELL, LET'S LET'S HEAR WHAT I'M 100% AGREEMENT. YEAH. I'M NOT SURE IF WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE CORRECT PROCESS WITH THIS AND I, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING SINCE THE TOUR. I'M NOT SURE. I'M NOT IN AGREEMENT.

COMPLETE AGREEMENT. WELL, LET ME BE CLEAR ON SOMETHING. IS THE IS THE OPPOSITION TO, LET'S SAY, THIS PARTICULAR GROUP BEING THE ONLY GROUP BECAUSE OF THE MONEY THAT WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON TO GIVE TO THEM BECAUSE THEY WERE SELECTED. WHEN YOU SAY THE PROCESS, I DON'T THINK THAT WHEN SOMEBODY BUYS PROPERTY AND THEY GO TO BUILD ON IT, THAT IT NECESSARILY REQUIRES YOU TO GO THROUGH THE RFP PROCESS. OKAY, ANYBODY COULD BUY A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND THEN PROPOSE TO BUILD ON IT. SO THERE MIGHT BE A BETTER WAY TO GET TO WHERE YOU WANT TO GET WITHOUT WITHOUT CUTTING THE CURRENT PROCESS OFF. AND THAT MIGHT BE TO HAVE THE MEETING BEFORE THE 20TH WEEK BRIEFING ITEM ON, THE THIRD BRIEFING ON, AND ADDRESS THE QUESTIONS YOU ASKED. WHAT WAS THE PROCESS? WE CAN HAVE THE APPLICANT THERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, WALK THROUGH ANY OTHER DOCUMENTATION YOU REQUEST, AND JUST JUST HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. IT MIGHT ALSO OPEN UP ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY. BUT AGAIN, I DON'T I'M NOT SURE THE CONNECTION IS THERE FOR US TO DECIDE WHO CAN PURCHASE A PROPERTY AND BUILD ON IT, THAT THAT MIGHT BE THE UNDER THE

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MR. SO IF THE ISSUE IS THE INCENTIVE, WHICH IT IS RIGHT, THEN, YOU KNOW, NOT NOT KNOWING WHO ELSE MIGHT BE WORTHY OF THIS INCENTIVE. AGAIN, JUST BASED ON THAT ISSUE ALONE, I STILL WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF STARTING OVER. OKAY. WELL, HOW ABOUT WE ON THAT FEBRUARY 3RD MEETING? IS THAT THE DATE YOU GAVE ME? WE COULD DO THE FEBRUARY. HOW ABOUT HOW ABOUT WE TALK TO THE EDC AT THAT TIME ABOUT THIS ISSUE, AND THEN AS A GROUP, WE'LL BE BETTER INFORMED TO MAKE A DECISION TO CUT IT OFF AND START OVER OR TO CONTINUE ON. I'M MAYOR, YOU SUGGESTION THIS BEING PART OF THE JANUARY 26TH MEETING AS PART OF THE DISCUSSION AS WELL? WELL, WE WE COULD DO THAT. I MEAN, WE COULD IF WE WANTED TO PUSH IT UP AND JUST MOVE IT FORWARD A LITTLE BIT. Y'ALL OKAY WITH THAT? I GUESS I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. SO THE WHOLE THE CONCERN IS THE INCENTIVE, NOT THE PROPERTY AND THE VEHICLE, BECAUSE IF YOU RECALL, MR. BROWN, IF YOU RECALL THAT OUR ONLY PART IN THIS BECAUSE AN AGREEMENT HAD ALREADY BEEN REACHED OF SOME SORT WITH WITH THE EDC ON THE PURCHASE PRICE. RIGHT, RIGHT.

THAT WASN'T OUR BUSINESS. OUR BUSINESS WAS ONLY AFTER THAT THE INCENTIVE. SO WHEN WE WHEN WE MEET, THE QUESTION IS GOING TO BE, ACCORDING TO MISS GOODEN, A QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT WE NEEDED TO GO EDC NEEDED TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS TO TO GO OUT FOR AN RFP. IS THAT CORRECT? SO I DID MENTION RFP, BEING THAT THAT MAY NOT BE THE ONLY PROCESS IT WAS. THERE WERE NO PUBLIC DISCUSSIONS UNTIL IT CAME TO US. IT WAS ALL EXECUTIVE SESSION, AND WE DON'T KNOW IF THERE WERE ANY OTHER PURCHASERS ENTERTAINED OR IF THIS WAS THE ONLY ONE I QUESTIONED. WHY WAS IT SUCH A RUSH TO GET IT TO APPROVAL STATUS, TO GET IT TO COUNCIL? AND WE DON'T KNOW IF ANY OTHER OTHER INTERESTED PARTIES CAME FORWARD? I DO KNOW OF ONE WHO DID SPEAK TO ME AND WHO WAS INTERESTED, AND I POINTED THEM IN THE DIRECTION OF THE DIRECTOR AT THAT TIME, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WERE ANY FOLLOW UP CONVERSATIONS WITH THE INCENTIVE. THE FIRST YEAR. THEY'RE PROJECTED TO BRING IN 67. UNDERSTANDING THAT IS ONLY A ONE TIME INCENTIVE. HOWEVER, WE KNOW WE HAVE A REVENUE PROBLEM HERE IN THIS. WE HAVE A REVENUE CONCERN IN OUR CITY. AND IF THEY'RE BRINGING IN 67 THE FIRST YEAR THAT IT COMES IN, WE'RE GIVING OUT 70. THAT'S ALREADY A $3,000 DEFICIT. ADDED ON TO THE REVENUE ISSUE WE HAVE NOW, I'M NOT OKAY WITH CONTINUING TO ADD ON TO A BURDEN. YES, IT'LL PROBABLY BE RECOUPED THE NEXT YEAR, BUT WE'RE ASKING OUR CITIZENS TO TAKE ANOTHER $3,000 HIT FOR ANOTHER YEAR WHEN WE ALREADY HAVE. HELP ME CLARIFY. THE DEFICIT YOU'RE REFERRING TO IS THAT THE CITY DEFICIT OR WHEN THE WHEN WE GO TO A BALANCED BUDGET AND WE'RE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT THINGS AND THERE IS ALWAYS A DEFICIT WITH THAT, THEY HAVE TO COME AND MAKE UP, WHICH IS NORMAL PROCESS. BUT WE GO ALWAYS GO FOR THE HIGHER TAX RATE. AND SO WITH THAT HIGHER TAX RATE, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COULD BE OFFSET IF WE DID THE SALES TAX OR IS THAT COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM PROPERTY TAXES. SEE ALL THESE QUESTIONS THAT ARE OUT. THERE ARE CONCERNS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT HAVE NOT BEEN ANSWERED. WE MAY KNOW THE ANSWER HERE AT THIS TABLE, BUT IS IT CLEAR TO THE COMMUNITY IN WHICH WE'RE SERVING? OKAY, SO WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE? I'D LIKE A BRIEFING 26. I'D LIKE TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS, AND I'D LIKE TO TALK TO SOME EDC JUST ON MY OWN. I'VE READ THROUGH THE CONTRACT TODAY, AND THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT ARE MISSING. AND I CAN EITHER ONE OF THOSE TWO. OKAY.

SO IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S GETTING ON BOARD, MR. KOONTZ. AND THERE NOT DISCUSSING THIS NOW, BUT CITY ATTORNEY OR MR. HAGER REFERRED TO THE FACT THAT THERE ARE OTHER IMPLICATIONS TO DENYING THE REQUEST FOR THE INCENTIVE. AND SO. YES, THERE YOU STILL HAVE THE ABILITY NOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. WHAT WAS PROPOSED TO HAVE ANOTHER BRIEFING? CERTAINLY ALLOWS YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO DENY THE THE GRANT AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE GRANT. OKAY. SO LET'S BE CLEAR.

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I WAS GOING TO SAY WE COULD POTENTIALLY DO AN AMENDED AGENDA, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE MEET THE DEADLINE FOR THAT EITHER. ARE YOU OKAY WITH THE THIRD I'M OKAY OKAY OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO 5:00 OKAY. I MEAN. THERE'S THERE'S NOTHING ON THAT AGENDA THAT ALLOWS FOR THIS DISCUSSION. RIGHT NOW. THE ITEMS WE HAVE ON THERE, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A BRIEFING FROM VIRGINIA ON JUST OVERALL COMP PLAN, ECONOMIC OUTLOOK, ETC. THE CATALYST ITEM, WHICH IS BEING BRIEFED TONIGHT. WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE THE DC, DC BYLAWS AND OVERALL GOVERNANCE AMONGST THE BOARDS. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A TIFF, TIFF AND DC FINANCIAL REPORT IS ON THERE. THOSE ARE THE MAIN ITEMS WE HAD ON THERE. I DON'T KNOW IF IT FALL INTO THOSE CATEGORIES OR NOT. BE KIND OF TOUGH. I THINK, JUST BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE. BECAUSE I MEAN, PREFERABLY WE WOULD HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH THE DC, DC. I MEAN, I MEAN, THIS IS THIS PROJECT IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHY WE SHOULD BE HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS, RIGHT? BOB? I DON'T KNOW IF IT. YEAH, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO AMEND OR NOT. I'M ASSUMING WE'RE YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY TUESDAY. WELL, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT TIME THE MEETING IS SET FOR FOR MONDAY AT 6:00 POST. IF YOU AMEND AND POST TOMORROW, YOU DON'T COUNT THE DAY. SO THAT MEANS THERE HAS TO BE THREE BUSINESS DAYS PRIOR TO THE AGENDA ITEMS BEING TAKEN OUT. SO THAT WOULD MEAN IF YOU POSTED BY TOMORROW THAT YOU GOT THURSDAY FRIDAY. IF THE MEETING IS AFTER 5:00 ON MONDAY, THEN YOU WOULD BE FINE BY AMENDING TOMORROW. THAT'S HOW TML INTERPRETED THE WAY THE STATUTE SAYS THREE BUSINESS DAYS PRIOR TO THE MEETING. SO THE MEETING'S AFTER 5:00. OUR BUSINESS DAY ON MONDAY IS AT 5:00, AND YOU COULD CLOSE AS LATE AS TOMORROW. YEAH, THAT OBVIOUSLY WE LIKE TO POST AT LEAST FOUR BUSINESS DAYS AHEAD IN CASE THERE'S A PROBLEM. THEN WE'VE GOT FELT. SO THAT'S WHY WE DO WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW OKAY. AND AS FAR AS ACTION TONIGHT, I'M ASSUMING, BOB, THEY CAN JUST APPROVE THE ITEM AS IS BECAUSE IT TABLES THE 17TH. AND THEN WE ON OUR OWN INDIVIDUALLY WOULD JUST AMEND THE AGENDA, AMEND THE AGENDA FOR TOMORROW. YEAH. I MEAN APPROVE THE ITEM AS WELL. THE ITEM RIGHT NOW RECOMMENDS OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TABLE TO THE 17TH. SO YOU CAN JUST TAKE THE ACTION AS IS AND IT'LL JUST TABLE IT TO THE 17TH. AND THEN INDIVIDUALLY STAFF CAN GO AND DO THAT AMENDED AGENDA TOMORROW MORNING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MEET THAT DEADLINE AND ENSURE THAT CONVERSATIONS ON THE 26TH.

OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. THAT CONCLUDES THE CONSENT AGENDA 71. NO ACTION OKAY. YES. OKAY. OKAY.

WELL THANK YOU. AND THE ABSENCE OF THE MAYOR FOR SECOND THEN COUNCIL CITY SECRETARY, WOULD YOU PLEASE REVIEW THE CALENDAR? OKAY. THANK YOU. WE HAVE FOR JANUARY WE HAVE JANUARY 26TH, THE DC EDC TIFF JOINT MEETING WITH CITY COUNCIL. IT'S AT 6:00 AT THE SENIOR CENTER. THE ARTS COMMISSION MEETING ON THE 27TH AT 630. WE HAVE A BOND ELECTION EDUCATION KICKOFF AT 6:00 AT THE SENIOR CENTER ON THE 29TH. WE DID ORIGINALLY HAVE BOARD AND COMMISSION INTERVIEWS ON THE 29TH, WHICH WE WILL WE HAVE MOVED AND WE'D LIKE TO MOVE IT TO FEBRUARY, SOME OPTIONS OR FEBRUARY THE 5TH IS AN OPTION. OR WE ALSO HAVE FEBRUARY. THE SECOND IS AVAILABLE. COUNCIL.

WE HAVE A MEETING ON THE. ON THE THIRD WE HAVE A. FEBRUARY 5TH. THAT'S A THURSDAY. OKAY.

TO. MONDAY. SOUNDS LIKE I'M HAVING SURGERY. JOE. EITHER 1123 YOU EITHER OR. HOW MANY

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THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE HAVE FOR THURSDAY, FEBRUARY THE 5TH, WE HAVE THE LIBRARY BOARD MEETING AT 630 ON THE NINTH, WE HAVE THE PARKS AND RECREATION MEETING AT 630 AND PLANNING ZONING MEETING AT 630 ON FEBRUARY THE 9TH. WE HAVE THE PROPERTY TAX 101 AT THE SENIOR CENTER. AND THE LAST DAY TO FILE IS ON FEBRUARY THE 13TH. WE HAVE A COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT MEETING ON FEBRUARY THE 12TH, COUNCIL MEETING ON THE 17TH, THE DADDY DAUGHTER DANCE ON THE 21ST, AND THE DC DC EDC MEETING ON THE 23RD, AND THE ARTS COMMISSION MEETING ON THE 24TH.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. CAN YOU JUST FOR PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE, TELL WHAT THE PROPERTY TAX 101 IS ABOUT? THAT ONE IS IS THROUGH DCAD, WHICH IS DOING A WORKSHOP ON PROPERTY TAXES. JUST WHAT THE WHAT YOUR PROPERTY TAX. AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, IT'S NOT A CITY.

NO IT'S NOT. YEAH. THANK YOU. LET'S MOVE ON. BRIEFINGS AND PRESENTATIONS. CITY MANAGER I'LL BE GOOD WITH ONE WITH A YES. ITEM THREE IS THAT BRIEFING ON ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ADVISORY SERVICE. AND MARK ROUSH I BELIEVE IS GOING TO START THIS OFF. SURE, SURE. THANK YOU. YES. THANK YOU. INTERIM CITY MANAGER MARK RAUSCHER ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER FOR COMMUNITY SERVICES. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. TODAY WE'RE EXCITED TO HAVE A BRIEFING FOR YOU ON WHAT WE'RE CALLING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ADVISORY SERVICES. THIS IS A NEED THAT WAS IDENTIFIED ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO HERE AT THE CITY. AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S TAKEN US A LITTLE BIT TO TO IDENTIFY A FIRM THAT'S CAPABLE OF DELIVERING FOR US. AND WE BELIEVE WE HAVE WE HAVE FOUND THAT COMPANY. AND WE WANTED TODAY TO JUST PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF AN OVERVIEW ON, ON THE SERVICES THAT THEY CAN PROVIDE D THIS BRIEFING, LAST MEETING, AND OUR INTENTION AFTER TONIGHT IS IS HOPEFULLY AT THE AT THE JOINT MEETING ON THE 26TH, BE ABLE TO HAVE BOTH CITY COUNCIL AND THE EDC, YOU KNOW, AUTHORIZE A CONTRACT WITH A FIRM KNOWN AS CADILLAC CATALYST COMMERCIAL. CATALYST COMMERCIAL DOES A LOT OF WORK WITHIN THE DFW METROPLEX, INCLUDING CITIES SUCH AS GRAND PRAIRIE AND DESOTO. THEY PROVIDE A WIDE RANGE OF SERVICES, YOU KNOW, PERTAINING TO REAL ESTATE ACQUISITION, REVIEW AND DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS, LOOKING AT LAND BANKING OPPORTUNITIES AND THEN EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN, INCLUDING SURVEY WORK AND APPRAISALS AND SO FORTH. AND THE BEAUTY OF OF THIS COMPANY IS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ABLE TO KIND OF BE AN EXTENSION OF STAFF AND IN SOME CASES THEY CAN THEY CAN DO THAT WITHOUT HAVING TO, YOU KNOW, IDENTIFY THEMSELVES AS, HEY, I'M WITH THE CITY AND AND I'M HERE TO HELP YOU. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ABLE TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, DO A LOT OF GROUNDWORK FOR US THAT A LOT OFTENTIMES WE'RE NOT ABLE TO DO. AND SO TODAY MARLIN WILL GO THROUGH A PRESENTATION. AND THEN WE HAVE JASON CLAUNCH WITH US TODAY FROM CATALYST COMMERCIAL WHO IS ALSO AVAILABLE FOR FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE TODAY.

THANKS, MARK. AND GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL AND STAFF. SO MARK WENT THROUGH A LOT OF THE HISTORY AND CONTEXT OF THIS ITEM. SHE'S GOING TO HELP ME WITH THIS OKAY OKAY OKAY. SO

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BUT MORE RECENTLY WE PRESENTED THIS ITEM, INTRODUCED JASON TO OUR DCDC BOARD IN FACT BACK IN DECEMBER. RIGHT. KIND OF WALKED THEM THROUGH HOW AT THE PROMPTING OF THIS GROUP, IT MIGHT BE ADVANTAGEOUS FOR US TO BRING IN SOME MORE BANDWIDTH TO HELP US ON SOME OF THOSE STRATEGIC PREDEVELOPMENT PRE-ACQUISITION ACTIVITIES INVOLVING REAL ESTATE TRANSACTIONS. SOME OF THAT DISCUSSION HAS HAPPENED EARLIER. JUST ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN THAT KIND OF HAPPEN BEHIND THE SCENES. AND SO HIS FIRM NEXT SLIDE HAS SOME EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE IN THE IMMEDIATE DFW VICINITY. BUT THE MAIN THING GIVE US ANOTHER ADDITIONAL SET OF EYES. SOMETIMES WE DON'T WANT TO DISCLOSE THAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN PARTICIPATING IN THE DEAL, OR MAYBE ACQUIRING A PROPERTY OR DISPOSING. AND SO THE ABILITY TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, PARTNERSHIP. SO WHEN WE CAN DISPATCH TO DO SOME OF THESE THINGS, WE REALLY STRENGTHEN OUR EFFORTS. OKAY. NEXT SLIDE. SO WE EVALUATED A HANDFUL OF FIRMS IN FACT SOME AGAIN WHICH SEVERAL MONTHS AGO WAS BROUGHT TO THE TABLE. BUT ULTIMATELY WE LANDED ON THE RECOMMENDATION WITH CATALYST. AND IN THE NEXT SLIDE WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE. WHY? SO IN ADDITION TO, LET'S SAY, WHEN WE HAVE SOME MORE COMPLEX DEALS BRINGING THAT EXPERIENCE, AND WE SEE SOME OF THE CITIES THAT WE'LL RECOGNIZE IN OUR REGION THAT THEY WORK WITH. YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD MEETINGS WITH JASON AS RECENTLY AS THIS AFTERNOON FOR SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THAT WE KNOW ARE IN THE PIPELINE. NEXT SLIDE. SO THE STRUCTURE OF THIS DEAL IS REALLY GOOD FOR US BECAUSE IT ALLOWS US TO HAVE BOTH TRANSPARENCY AND CONTROL OVER THE COST, RIGHT MENU OF SERVICES THAT WE PROCURE WHEN WE NEED, IF WE NEED IT AND WHEN WE NEED IT. RIGHT. AND AGAIN, HE'S SOPHISTICATED REALLY EXPERIENCED TO KNOW BRING ANOTHER TOOLKIT TO OUR TO OUR BUCKET. NEXT SLIDE. OKAY. SO AGAIN THIS IS THE BRIEFING THE INTRODUCTION KIND OF REPORT BACK. WE'LL BRING THIS AGAIN DEPENDING ON THE FEEDBACK THAT WE GET FROM YOU ALL MAYBE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS. BUT WE'RE PREPARED TO BRING THIS BACK FOR FORMAL ACTION ON THIS ENGAGEMENT WITH HIM AT A FUTURE NEAR FUTURE MEETING IN FEBRUARY.

SO AGAIN, JASON'S HERE. I'M HERE, MARK STILL HERE. IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM MR. JASON, IF I CAN INTRODUCE HIMSELF, TELL US ABOUT WHAT THEY DO. THANK YOU.

THANKS FOR THE INTRODUCTION, MAYOR. MANAGER, AND I NEED TO GET YOU TO REPEAT THAT TO MY WIFE. SHE'S ALWAYS ASKING, WHY ARE YOU GONE EVERY NIGHT? SO I'D SAY MAYBE HALF THE TIME WE MEET AGAIN. I MAY BE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION WORKING ON SOMETHING THAT'S STRATEGIC AND SPECIFIC TO TO YOUR AGENDA. WE'RE VERY FLUID IN TERMS OF WORKING WITH COUNCIL AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. OUR GOALS ARE YOUR GOALS. YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE AVAILABLE TO HELP ADVISE ON THINGS THAT CAN ADVANCE YOU FROM AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT, OR PROVIDE GUIDANCE ON POLICY SPECIFIC TO ANY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OR PLANNING SORT OF INITIATIVES. WE SPEAK PUBLIC AND PRIVATE VERY WELL, SO WE UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE POLICIES AND DECISIONS THAT YOU MAKE, HOW THAT MAY AFFECT THE PRIVATE SECTOR, AND I THINK THAT'S HELPFUL. BUT WE ALSO UNDERSTAND SORT OF HOW TO MAKE DECISIONS IN TERMS OF THE GREATER GOOD AND THINK KIND OF LONGER TERM AND MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN POSITION THE PROJECTS APPROPRIATELY. GOOD TO SEE SEVERAL OF MY FRIENDS IN THE ROOM HERE TODAY. BUT ANYWAY, WE WORK VERY WELL WITH A NUMBER OF MUNICIPALITIES AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN PROVIDE SORT OF OUR EXPERTISE AND OUR HISTORY AND MAYBE MENTOR YOU GUYS ON A FEW PROJECTS THAT MAKE SENSE. SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. HOW LONG HAS YOUR COMPANY BEEN IN OPERATION? SO I STARTED THE FIRM IN 2010. PRIOR TO THAT, I RAN DEVELOPMENT FOR BILLINGSLEY COMPANY FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. PRIOR TO THAT, I DID PRIVATE SECTOR DEVELOPMENT ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. JUST A COMMENT I WANT TO MAKE IS THAT MR. CLAUNCH AND HIS FIRM KNOWN ABOUT THEM. HEARD ABOUT THEM. IT'S A SOLID COMPANY. IT'S A GOOD DECISION. SO THAT'S MY COMMENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER MCBURNETT I AGREE, I WAS ABLE TO DO SOME RESEARCH AND HAPPY TO SEE THAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN WORKING PARTNERING WITH OUR CITY. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH. YES, HE HAS OUR FULL CONFIDENCE. I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR FINANCE. DID I SEE MR. JACKSON? RICHARD.

RICHARD. MR. JACKSON, HI, HOW ARE YOU? I'M GOOD. SO REAL QUICK AND EASY QUESTION. I READ

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WELL COULD YOU TELL US ABOUT SOME PROJECTS THAT Y'ALL HAVE HAD SUCCESS WITH IN THE PAST? YEAH, SO A NUMBER OF OUR PROJECTS DON'T ALWAYS MAKE IT TO THE PRIVATE OR TO THE LIMELIGHT, BUT IF YOU CAN DO A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH, WE'RE QUARTERBACKING AND WITH KIMLEY-HORN, THE PROJECT RIGHT NOW IN DESOTO AT HAMPTON AND BELTLINE, WE HELP CRAFT THE ZONING FOR THE OVERLAY DISTRICT WITH HALF. WE WROTE THE TIF DISTRICT, AND WE WORKED WITH CLOSELY WITH KIMLEY-HORN IN DEVELOPING A MASTER PLAN. AND WE'VE GOT IT OUT TO ABOUT 50 DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT PROSPECTS RIGHT NOW. WE PUSHED THE DATE BACK UNTIL THE SIXTH FOR RECEIPT, BUT WE EXPECT WE'LL HAVE PROBABLY 10 OR 15 PROPOSALS THAT COME IN OUR PLAN.

OUR FIRM DID THE DOWNTOWN PLAN FOR GRAND PRAIRIE. WE ALSO SET UP THE TURN BACK PROCESS THAT THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF IMPLEMENTING. WE WORK WITH BOTH COG AND DALLAS COUNTY ON CREATING AN INTERFACE WITH A ROUNDABOUT WHERE JEFFERSON AND MAIN STREET MEET. AND THEN WE'VE BEEN HELPING STRATEGICALLY WITH THE RFP AND ALSO ACQUIRE STRATEGIC PROPERTIES AS PART OF THAT PROCESS SINCE 2010, WHEN WE LAUNCHED THE FIRM, I THINK WE WORKED ON 1800 PROJECTS, AND MOST OF THAT WORK HAS BEEN THROUGH COMMUNITIES IN DALLAS FORT WORTH. SO IT SHOULD BE EASY TO REFERENCE. I SOME OF THE THINGS YOU JUST MENTIONED, AND THEN SOME OF THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT I'VE SEEN THAT YOU GUYS HAVE DONE IS ALL THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING RIGHT NOW BASED ON OUR MASTER PLAN. SO IT'S PRETTY EXCITING TO HAVE YOU GUYS WORKING WITH US. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. YOU BET. I APPRECIATE THAT THE COUNCIL AND PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER EMBRACED THE IDEA OF BRINGING A CONSULTANT ON BOARD BECAUSE OF WE'VE GOT SOME REALLY SOLID STAFF, BUT THE EXPERTISE THAT IT TAKES TO GET INTO THE DETAILS OF DIFFERENT PROJECTS WE'RE INVOLVED IN. I THINK IT IT TAKES PEOPLE WITH THAT PARTICULAR SPECIAL VIEW OF THAT AND BACKGROUND. SO I'VE BEEN TALKING TO MR. ABERNATHY ABOUT HIS INTERVIEWS WITH Y'ALL, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S IT'S A GOOD MIX FOR US AND HELPING US MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CROSSING ALL OUR T'S AND ALL OUR EYES. THANK YOU, MAYOR, AND I'VE BEEN IMPRESSED WITH YOUR TEAM. OBVIOUSLY, WE'VE INTERFACED WITH THE BOARD AND I THINK YOU'VE GOT A GOOD TEAM. SO IF WE CAN HELP SUPPORT YOU AND CREATE SOME SUCCESSFUL OPPORTUNITIES, WE LOOK FORWARD TO DOING THAT. ABSOLUTELY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SORRY, MISS CHUCK. YEAH. OKAY. SO REFRESH MY MEMORY ON B.

WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THAT TO THE STAFF REPORT. YEAH JUST TALKING TO MAYOR I THINK ANY ITEM B AND C IF YOU WANT MORE TIME TO DISCUSS AM I IN TIME FOR KIMLEY-HORN. YOU COULD MOVE B AND C TO STAFF REPORTS. B AND C ARE DEFINITELY ITEMS THAT YOU ALL WANTED US TO BRING FORWARD.

BUT AGAIN, JUST FOR TIME PURPOSES YOU COULD MOVE B AND C TO STAFF REPORTS LATER IN THE COUNCIL MEETING TO ALLOW TIME FOR THE ARMY AND THE KEMPTHORN PRESENTATION COUNCIL. GOOD WITH THAT. OKAY, SURE. ITEM D BRIEFING ON PROPOSED ADVANCED METERING INFRASTRUCTURE.

STANDARDS.

ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING MAYOR COUNCIL. I'M MATT BRYANT, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS. JOINING ME WITH THIS WILL BE RICHARD JACKSON, OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR. AND I SEE MR. HUGHES IN THE BACKGROUND. SO I THINK HE WILL LIKELY BE HELPING. AND WE ALSO HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM PSI HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. SO WE WANTED TO BRING THIS PRESENTATION TO YOU JUST TO TOUCH ON SOME THINGS WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT, GIVE YOU A LITTLE MORE IN DEPTH OF OUR OUR PLAN FOR THIS PROJECT, AS WELL AS THE FINANCIAL PLAN. AND THEN WE

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SO THIS IS A PRICE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO TOP RANKING FIRMS WHICH WAS BADGER AND MASTER. SO MASTER WILL ACTUALLY WAIVE. THERE'S A SERVICE ANNUAL SERVICE EVERY YEAR FOR THE ARMY TECHNOLOGY BECAUSE IT'S CELLULAR. RIGHT. SO MASTER WILL ACTUALLY WAIVE THAT FOR THE FIRST TEN YEARS. BUT BECAUSE OF THE PRICE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BADGER AND MASTER, YOU CAN SEE HOW HIGHER THEY ARE. SO IF WE IF WE WENT WITH MASTER, THAT WOULD ACTUALLY CREATE AN UPFRONT COST OF OF 1.7 MILLION MORE THAN BADGER. SO WE ACTUALLY EVEN THOUGH WE, WE WOULD BE PAYING THE ANNUAL FEES FOR TEN YEARS, WE'RE STILL SAVING 762,000 BECAUSE THAT'S HOW MUCH CHEAPER BADGER IS THAN MASTER FOR THIS. IN THIS SETUP. SO WE SAID YES MA'AM, AND WE'RE NOT COMPROMISING ANY SERVICES OR ANY. QUALITY IN KNOWING THAT THIS WAS BECAUSE OF THE. THAT'S

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CONTRACT MANAGEMENT AND SUBCONTRACTORS AS NECESSARY. OVERSEEING ENSURING THE DATA SWAP FILES ARE DONE. COMPLETE AS SECTIONS OF METERS ARE REPLACED. ACTIVELY MONITORING ALL INSTALLATIONS TO ENSURE SUPERIOR WORKMANSHIP. HOST AND PARTICIPATE IN REGULAR PROJECT.

UPDATE MEETINGS WITH CITY STAFF AND ENSURING THAT ALL DOCUMENTS ARE COMPLETE AND DELIVERED TO CITY FOR THEIR FILING. AND WHAT SETS THEM APART. WHY WE SELECTED THEM. PSI ASSUMES ALL RISK AND ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THE TURNKEY PROJECT DELIVERY, VERIFIED AND AND MAINTAINED THROUGH MEASUREMENT AND VERIFICATION PROTOCOLS. THE PUBLIC COMMUNICATION SUPPORT FOR RESIDENTS AND UTILITY USERS, UPDATED METER DATABASE AND DETAILED GIS MAPPING WITHIN ONE METER. FULLY OPERATIONAL ARMY SYSTEM WITH READ RATE GUARANTEES. REFURBISHED OR NEW LARGE METER VAULTS. EQUIPMENT COVERED UNDER MANUFACTURER AND WORKMANSHIP WARRANTIES. SO YES, SORRY SORRY SORRY. BUT YOU YOU MENTIONED AND IS THERE THE UPDATED METER DATABASE AND DETAILED GSA MAPPING YOU BRIEFLY TOUCHED ON. BUT WHEN YOU GO A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DIRECTION OF. SO A LOT OF THAT'S COLLECTED AS THEY. AND FEEL FREE TO JUMP IN HERE MISS JENNA. A LOT OF THAT'S COLLECTED AS THEY REPLACE THE METER. A LOT OF THE GIS MAPPING AND STUFF LIKE THAT IS COLLECTED AND UPDATED AS THEY REPLACE THE METER. I DO KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THE DATA TRANSFER AND GETTING THIS INFORMATION INTO TYLER. THEY'RE WELL AWARE WITH THE SOFTWARE WE USE, THEY HAVE SUCCESSFUL INTEGRATION WITH IT PREVIOUSLY. AND SO A LOT OF THAT'S GOING TO GET TAKEN CARE OF FOR THE FIRST METER EVEN GETS INSTALLED. THEY WANT TO PROVE IT. IT'S FUNCTIONAL AND PROVE IT'S OPERATIONAL BEFORE WE EVEN PUT THE METER IN THE GROUND, SO THAT WE HAVE PROVEN SUCCESS BEFORE WE EVEN GO IN THE FIELD.

DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? THANK YOU, THANK YOU. MEASUREMENT VERIFICATION PHASE.

THE METER ACCURACY GUARANTEES TESTING BY AN ENGINEER ONE YEAR AFTER SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION.

INDEPENDENT INDEPENDENT ENGINEERING REVIEW AND SAVINGS PRIOR TO THE CONTRACT AGENDA.

YOU'LL HAVE TO HELP ME WITH THESE ACRONYMS. DON'T EVEN WORRY ABOUT IT. AS LONG AS THE METERS ARE WARRANTED. FOR THE 20 YEARS OF THIS, WE ARE GOING TO BE WITH YOU EVERY YEAR THROUGHOUT THE WAY. WE'RE NOT INSTALLING AND RUNNING. WE STAY WITH YOU FOR A VERY LONG TIME, DECADES AND AN ANNUAL REPORTING TO CONFIRM THE SAVINGS IN THE REVENUES AND RECONCILE GUARANTEES. AND THEN THIS IS AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT SCHEDULE. SO LOOKING AT GETTING THINGS REALLY, YOU KNOW, AWARDED IN EARLY FEBRUARY REALLY HOPEFULLY HITTING THE GROUND AND KIND OF THE MARCH APRIL TIME FRAME AND THEN EVERYTHING MOVING ALONG CORRECTLY STARTING TO WRAP THIS PROJECT UP HOLISTICALLY IN THE JUNE JULY OF 2027. CITYWIDE, 100% ARMY BOXES, VAULTS, LIDS. TURNKEY. DONE. SO IT'D BE TAKE ABOUT A YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF TO GET THE ENTIRE CITY DONE. MISS GORDON'S READY. SO WITH THAT, I WANT TO TURN THIS OVER TO MR. JACKSON AND LET HIM GO OVER THE FUNDING STRATEGIES. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, INTERIM CITY MANAGER, MR. JACKSON, FINANCE DIRECTOR, CFO.

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AND SO THE BOTTOM HALF IS BASED ON CURRENT MARKET RATES PLUS HALF A PERCENT. THE REASON WHY WE HAVE THAT IN THERE IS IT'S A CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE THAT ALLOWS FOR ANY, ANY INTEREST MOVEMENT BETWEEN THE TIME OF THIS DISCUSSION AND WHEN IT ACTUALLY GOES OUT FOR SALE. THE THAT, AS YOU ALL KNOW FROM A FINANCING PERSPECTIVE, THAT INTEREST RATE COULD, COULD DEFINITELY CHANGE. AND SO IT JUST PROVIDES A WORST CASE SCENARIO IN TERMS OF WHERE THE THE INTEREST RATE COULD LAND AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY THE IMPACT ON THE ANNUAL DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS AND TOTAL DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS FOR THE CITY. SO AGAIN, IN TEN YEAR, 12 YEAR AND 15 YEAR, OUR TOTAL DEBT SERVICE HERE EXCEEDS THE THE ESTIMATED ADDITIONAL CASH FLOW THAT MR. BRYANT HAD PRESENTED ON A PREVIOUS SLIDE. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, OF COURSE, OUR TOTAL DEBT SERVICE PAYMENT CERTAINLY INCREASES THE LONGER THAT WE EXTEND IT OUT. HOWEVER, AS I'LL SHOW ON SUBSEQUENT SLIDE, THAT FROM A RECOMMENDATION STANDPOINT, I THINK THAT THE 16 YEAR OPTION IS THE WAY TO GO. HERE. LOOKING AT THE REPAYMENT SCHEDULE OVER 16 YEARS. AND THANK YOU TO JASON HUGHES AND OUR FRIENDS AT HILLTOP SECURITIES FOR HELPING TO GET US THIS INFORMATION TO PRESENT TO YOU TONIGHT. SO WHAT YOU CAN SEE HERE IS, AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO FOCUS ON THE RIGHT HALF OF THIS SLIDE, BECAUSE AGAIN, THAT IS DISCUSSING OUR WORST CASE SCENARIO. BUT HERE WHAT YOU CAN SEE IS, IS THAT BY SWITCHING TO 16 YEARS, WHAT IT WILL DO IS IT WILL KEEP US IN LINE WITH WHAT OUR PROJECTED CASH FLOWS ARE GOING TO BE FOR THIS ARMY PROJECT, SO THAT THE PROJECT ITSELF COULD BE FUNDED JUST FROM THE ADDITIONAL REVENUE OR ADDITIONAL CASH FLOW THAT WE'RE PROJECTING TO RECEIVE AS A RESULT OF BRINGING THE ARMY PROJECT ON FOR THE CITY OF DUNCANVILLE. THIS SLIDE HERE IS BASICALLY FULLY CARRIED OUT

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I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THIS SINKS IN FOR ON THE FAR LEFT. THAT'S ADDITIONAL WATER REVENUE. YES. SO THE FOURTH COLUMN, ANNUAL DEBT SERVICE, AND WE'RE JUST 16 YEARS. THOSE NUMBERS ARE MORE OR LESS THE SAME, SO THAT THE NET CASH FLOW AT THE END HERE. CORRECT. THANK YOU. OH YES, SIR. SO MY WORD ORIENTED BRAND AND THE NUMBERS ARE KILLING ME. BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS SIMPLIFY THIS. ISSUING THESE BONDS IS NOT THE SAME AS OTHER BONDS WE MIGHT ISSUE WHERE IT'S NOT GENERATING REVENUE. BUT THIS THIS WILL PAY FOR ITSELF. AND WE'RE DOING THIS OVER THE COURSE OF 16 YEARS BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT, I GUESS, LIKE I SAID, PROJECTED REVENUES FOR FROM THE WATER. CORRECT. AND SO THE, THE THE PROJECTED REVENUES ARE OVER A PERIOD OF 20 YEARS. AND SO AS YOU CAN SEE AT THE THE LAST FOUR YEARS, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE CASH FLOW HAS INCREASED FROM. FROM I GUESS $5,000 AND DOWN UP TO 1.2 1.3 MILLION A YEAR IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS, BECAUSE IT'S POST ANY PAYMENTS AS A RESULT OF THE DEBT, THAT MAKES SENSE. WELL, THERE AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT WHAT ACTIONS WE HAVE COMING UP ON THIS, BUT WILL THERE BE PUBLIC INFORMATION SESSION THAT PROVIDES INFORMATION FOR THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT HOW THE BOND WORKS? AND ON THE TOWN HALL OR WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO EXPLAIN THIS, WE WERE DEFINITELY GOING TO PLAN ON DOING A TOWN HALL AS FAR AS KICKING THIS PROJECT OFF, WE COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE ONE THAT ALSO INCORPORATES HOW THE BOND STRUCTURE WORKS, IF YOU'D LIKE IT ON THAT. OBVIOUSLY WITH CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION, IT'S SINCE IT'S BEING PAID BACK BY OTHER REVENUE SOURCES, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING IN FRONT OF COUNCIL TO TAKE ACTION AND MAKE THAT SALE HAPPEN. WE WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE VOTERS, BUT WE COULD INCORPORATE THE BOND STRUCTURE INTO THAT TOWN HALL MEETING AS WELL, SO THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU SEE WHEN YOU'RE IMPLEMENTING SOMETHING OR YOU'RE ATTEMPTING TO IMPLEMENT THIS. DO CITIES HAVE TOWN HALL MEETINGS TO TRY TO EXPLAIN TO THE PUBLIC? EVERY CITY, EVERY PROJECT IS DIFFERENT. SO IT'S REALLY HARD TO GIVE YOU A BLANKET ANSWER. SOMETIMES THEY WILL MAKE SURE THAT IN A PUBLIC FUNDING BEFORE YOU'RE DOING THIS OR BEFORE YOU'RE APPROVING IT, IT'S OPEN FOR COMMENTARY. OKAY, SO YOU ALL COULD BE AVAILABLE IF WE HAD TO GO THAT WAY. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH, WE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO DO A PUBLIC HEARING IN ORDER TO SELL THE NOTES. SO. YES, MA'AM. I'M SORRY. THANK YOU. SO WITH THE OPTION THAT'S IN THE PINKISH PEACH COLOR. YES. WE'RE SACRIFICING THE ADDITIONAL REVENUE WE RECEIVE TO PAY, TO ALLOW IT TO PAY FOR ITSELF AND TO OPT OUT OF INCREASING THE RATE OF THE WATER BILL FOR THE CITIZENS AND FOR THE CUSTOMERS. YES, MA'AM. FOR THIS PROJECT? YES, FOR THIS PROJECT. IF WE CHOSE TO GO WITH THE SHORTER TERM LESS THAN 16 YEARS, IT WOULD CAUSE AN INCREASE OF OUR BILL, THE USAGE AMOUNT. IT WOULD CAUSE AN INCREASE FOR THE RATE. I'M SORRY FOR THE RATE THAT WE'RE BEING CHARGED. YES, MA'AM. SO THIS OPTION ALLOWS OUR RATE TO STAY WHAT WE'RE ACCUSTOMED TO. IF WE JUST DON'T SEE THE INCREASE IN REVENUE UNTIL WE GET TO YEAR 2043, I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS. OR 42 NOW WITH THAT, WHICH I LIKE, THE FACT THAT WE'RE GIVING THE PUBLIC OPTIONS. MY QUESTION IS GOING THAT FAR IN ADVANCE. CAN WE BE CONFIDENT THAT THE PRODUCT THAT WE'RE PURCHASING WILL STILL BE READING

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BUT WHAT IT ALSO DOES IS IT GIVES THE CITY INCREASED FLEXIBILITY FOR OTHER CAPITAL RESOURCES. COUNCIL IS AWARE FROM THE OTHER CAPITAL PROJECT DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HAD WITH YOU IN DECEMBER. WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME OTHER THINGS THAT ARE COMING DOWN THE PIPELINE, IF YOU WILL. AND SO THOSE THINGS MAY AND MORE, MORE LIKELY, MORE THAN LIKELY WILL REQUIRE AN INCREASE IN THE RATE. SO IF WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THIS PROJECT, THAT WAS DEFINITELY A PRIORITY FOR NOT ONLY THIS BODY, BUT IN TERMS OF WHAT WAS DISCUSSED WITH THE WITH THE PUBLIC, AND WE CAN DO SO WITHOUT INCREASING RATES. THAT WOULD BE OUR RECOMMENDATION. SO YES, SIR. THE. WELL, THIS PROMISE IS NOT TO HAVE A RATE INCREASE. AS A RESULT OF THIS. THERE STILL WILL BE OUR STANDARD RATE INCREASES. WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER THAT COME FROM DALLAS WATER UTILITIES. THAT WAS MY POINT. I WAS LIKE, THERE'S THERE'S A FACTOR THAT'S NOT ASSOCIATED WITH ARMY WHATSOEVER. AND THAT IS THE COST TO TREAT DRINKING WATER. ARMY IS NOT GOING TO NOT GOING TO AFFECT THAT. SO AT SOME POINT IN THE TOWN HALL MEETING, WE HAVE TO REMIND PEOPLE SO THEY DON'T COME BACK AND SAY, YOU SAID IT WOULDN'T INCREASE. THEY WEREN'T REALLY CLEAR ON THAT. DEFINITELY ANYTIME, ANYTIME THE COST OF TREATMENT GOES UP, THAT ALWAYS BECOMES A PASS THROUGH TO THE WHOLESALE CUSTOMERS. YEAH. AND WE ARE SAID WHOLESALE CUSTOMERS. RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. ON THE RECORD, YES. I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR MR. BRYANT. JUST AGAIN, TELL US HOW THIS IS GOING TO HELP YOUR DEPARTMENT IN TERMS OF. LEAKS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. SO WE WE'VE ACTUALLY IDENTIFIED THROUGH THE SATELLITE LEAK DETECTION COMPANY THAT WE'RE USING, WE'VE ACTUALLY FOUND LEAKS THAT ARE ON THE CUSTOMERS SIDE THAT THE METERS ARE NOT PICKING UP. AND SO THIS WILL HELP THE CUSTOMER IDENTIFY LEAKS AT THEIR HOME. SO IT'S A COMBINATION OF WATER LOSS THAT, YOU KNOW, WATER THAT'S JUST BEING WASTED. IT'S A COMBINATION OF LEAKS IN YOUR HOME THAT YOU MAY NOT BE AWARE OF OR THAT YOU KNOW, WHY IS MY WATER BILL SO HIGH? AND YOU JUST, YOU KNOW, THIS WILL HELP YOU IDENTIFY LEAKS AT YOUR PROPERTY THAT YOU MAY NOT BE AWARE OF. BUT ON TOP OF THAT, IT'S IT'S THE REVENUE THAT WE SHOULD BE GETTING SO THAT WE CAN IMPROVE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE. BECAUSE THE REVENUE THAT WE GET FROM YOUR WATER BILL HELPS US TO REPLACE WATER MAINS AND WATER SERVICES AND, AND, YOU KNOW, ALL THE THINGS THAT GO WITH MAINTAINING MUNICIPAL INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE NEED. SO THIS GOES ALL THE WAY AROUND FULL CIRCLE AND HELPS EVERYBODY. AND ALSO THE BENEFITS TO CUSTOMERS IF THEY'RE ABLE TO SEE THEIR DAILY WATER USAGE. YEAH, THERE WILL BE A CUSTOMER PORTAL WITH THIS THAT EVERY.

YES SIR. OH NO. GO AHEAD. THE CUSTOMER PORTAL THAT GOES ALONG WITH THIS WILL BE AVAILABLE TO ALL CUSTOMERS WHO WANT TO GO ONLINE AND REGISTER FOR IT AND SIGN UP FOR IT. THEY'LL BE ABLE TO SEE I THINK IT'S HOURLY, DAILY, HOURLY. YEAH, YEAH. THEY HAVE THE EYE ON WATER APP THAT THE RESIDENTS WILL BE ABLE TO DOWNLOAD. AND YEAH, THEY CAN CHECK THERE AS WELL. IF SOMEBODY'S ON VACATION AND YOU HAPPEN TO NOTICE THERE'S A SPIKE BECAUSE BECAUSE YOU ALL GET THE INFORMATION AS WELL THE CUSTOMERS DO. ALSO THE CUSTOMERS CAN ACTUALLY SET UP

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SO HOW HOW COULD THEY SHUT THE WATER OFF. THEY THEY WOULD NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO SHUT IT OFF.

BUT THEY CAN IMMEDIATELY NOTIFY UTILITY BILLING WHO CAN THEN GO SHUT IT OFF FOR THEM. YEAH.

BECAUSE THAT BRINGS UP A IN THE LONG RUN SCENARIO WHERE, SAY, I'M CHANGING A VALVE UNDERNEATH MY KITCHEN SINK, RIGHT? AND IT'S THE VALVE. SO I HAVE TO HAVE THE WATER SHUT OFF AND I DON'T HAVE A MANUAL SHUT OFF. IT'S AT THE METER. IF THE PROCESS STILL TO CALL THE CITY TO COME SHUT THE WATER OFF. IF, IF, IF A CUSTOMER DOES NOT HAVE THEIR OWN SHUT OFF NEAR THEIR HOUSE, WE ALWAYS WANT THEM TO CALL US BECAUSE WE NEVER WANT THE CUSTOMER TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR BREAKING SOMETHING IN THE METER BOX. SO WITH THESE METERS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO A PHYSICAL CUT OFF. YOU CAN DO IT REMOTELY, NOT THE METER. NOW, BADGER DOES HAVE A REMOTE CUT OFF VALVE THAT WE COULD PURCHASE, AND WE COULD TALK ABOUT THAT LATER. LIKE THERE'S OPTIONS FOR REMOTE SHUT OFF VALVES, BUT IT'S NOT BUILT INTO THE METER FOR THE CUSTOMER TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF.

SO THERE WILL STILL BE A MANUAL SHUT OFF. YES, YES, YES T. IS THERE IS THERE A PARTICULAR KIND OF BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL THE, THE HARD COMPONENTS. BUT AS FAR AS THE SOFTWARE, THE KIND OF SOFTWARE RUNNING EVERYTHING BEHIND THE SCENES, I KNOW IT'S Y'ALL MIGHT HAVE MORE FAMILIAR WITH THE ACTUAL PROGRAM ITSELF. THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT. THE CITY IS GOING TO HAVE THEIR OWN SOFTWARE WHERE THEY HAVE CAPABILITIES, AND THEN THE CUSTOMER IS GOING TO HAVE THEIR SOFTWARE, WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH AN APP, WEB BASED CLOUD THAT SHOWS THE USAGE. SO WHAT WAS TOUCHED ON AT THE BEGINNING, YOU WILL HAVE THE CITY WILL HAVE ACCESS FROM A GIS STANDPOINT OF EVERY SINGLE METER DOWN TO I'M SORRY METRIC, BUT DOWN TO THE ONE METER ACCURACY. I KNOW THAT SEEMS RIDICULOUS. SO THEY WILL HAVE EVERY SINGLE THING LAYERED ONTO IT AND THEN NO, THAT'S PERFECT. SO BASICALLY, THE CUSTOMER WILL GET A CONDENSED VERSION OF WHAT THE CITY IS GOING TO SEE, EXCEPT THEY WON'T SEE ALL THE NEIGHBORS USAGE, THEY'LL SEE THEIR USAGE. AND AS MR. MENTIONED HERE, THEY CAN SET UP ALERTS OR THRESHOLDS OR BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN ALSO PREDICT WHERE THE USAGE IS GOING TO END AT THE END OF THE MONTH BASED ON WHAT THEIR CONSUMPTION PATTERNS ARE AT ANY POINT IN TIME. SO BASICALLY YOU'LL SEE A CONDENSED VERSION IN AN APP FORMAT. THEY CAN ALSO LOG INTO THE THEIR WEBSITE TO LOOK AT THE SAME ONE. BUT YEAH, IT'S BASICALLY THEY'RE GOING TO SEE ALL THE INFORMATION THAT THE CITY IS GOING TO SEE EXCEPT FOR AND FROM THE CITY SIDE, YOU GUYS HAVE YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS OF A LOT OF BAD DATA. THIS IS GOING TO CLEAN IT ALL UP, MAKE SURE IT'S ALL STREAMLINED, MAKE IT EASIER FOR YOUR BILLING TEAM TO ACTUALLY UTILIZE WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT. LIKE RIGHT NOW, YOU CAN'T DO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL. IT'LL HELP A LOT OF THE TIMES WHEN YOU'RE REPORTING FOR T-C-E-Q, IT'LL HELP REALLY CREATE A LOT OF DIFFERENT INFORMATION THAT YOU GUYS ARE NOT ACCESSING RIGHT NOW. THAT PROBABLY HELP. IS THIS STILL ALLOW FOR A A BACKFLOW CONNECTOR? THAT'S THAT'S ALL ON THE CUSTOMER'S PLUMBING. SO ALL OF THAT'S DONE OUTSIDE THE METER HAVE NO IMPACT ON THIS METERING SYSTEM. IT WON'T IMPACT ANYTHING AFTER THE METER.

OCCASIONALLY WE'VE SEEN SOME THINGS HAPPEN, BUT THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH ONE OFF. BUT IT WOULD REALLY JUST STOP AT THAT METER. THERE'S NOTHING. SAME THING FOR IRRIGATION METERS THAT ARE SEPARATE FROM THE MAIN METER. IT'S THE SAME AS REPLACING A METER. YEAH, IT'S JUST LOGGED INTO THE SYSTEM AS AN IRRIGATION METER. AND GOING BACK TO THE REMOTE SHUT OFF THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT IF NEEDED. IT'S JUST AS MR. MENTIONED, IT'S JUST AN ADD ON TO THE EXISTING METER. SO ONCE WE PUT THESE NEW METERS IN AND IF YOU FEEL LIKE THERE ARE CERTAIN ACCOUNTS WHERE YOU NEED THE REMOTE SHUT OFF CAPABILITY JUST BY THE PIECE, ADD IT ONTO THE METER. STRAIGHTFORWARD. THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE CITYWIDE. YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO LET PEOPLE DO THAT ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS. THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE CITY CONTROLS AND DECIDES THAT THAT REMOTE SHUT OFF VALVE, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE HANDLED. ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT RESIDENTIAL SHUT OFF. I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE THIS ANSWER, BUT HOW MUCH MORE IS THAT? AND THE REASON I ASK IS BECAUSE OCCASIONALLY YOU'LL GET A RESIDENT THAT WILL CALL ME AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, I HAD TO GET THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, I NEED TO COME SHUT THE WATER OFF, OR THE CITY TOOK TOO LONG TO GET HERE AND I CAN'T AFFORD, YOU KNOW, $1,500 TO HAVE A PLUMBER COME OUT HERE AND SHUT THAT OFF OR INSTALL ONE. I'M SORRY. I WANT TO SAY THEY'RE IN THE BALLPARK OF A COUPLE HUNDRED BUCKS. I DON'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I DON'T. I PERSONALLY DON'T BELIEVE THEY'RE FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE TO DO THE ENTIRE CITY. I MEAN,

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WELL, AGAIN, WE WOULD. WE WOULD ASK THEM TO HIRE A PLUMBER, PULL THE PERMITS AND DO IT ON THEIR PROPERTY. AND WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE CITY BOUGHT, CITY MAINTAINED, AND WE WOULD PUT IT IN OUR METER CAN FOR OUR CONTROL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU. JUST JUST ONE MORE SLIDE. GO AHEAD. AND THAT'S JUST TALKING ABOUT THE TIMELINE. SO IS THAT SLIDE 22. NOPE. OH I DON'T KNOW. SO FROM A TIMELINE STANDPOINT THE. THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING IS WHEN WE WOULD WANT TO PRESENT A RESOLUTION FOR PASSAGE FROM FROM COUNCIL ALSO ESSENTIALLY APPROVING A NOTICE OF INTENT THAT WILL GO OUT TO ISSUE THE CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION. FROM THERE, PER THE RULES THAT THE CEOS CAN BE SOLD 60 DAYS AFTER THE NOTICE OF INTENT. SO THAT WOULD BE ROUGHLY APRIL. AND THEN 30 DAYS AFTER THE SALE IS WHEN THE CITY WILL RECEIVE THE PROJECT PROCEEDS FROM THE SALE. SO AGAIN, STARTING NEXT MONTH, IN FEBRUARY WITH THE RESOLUTION, AND THEN ESSENTIALLY 90 DAYS FROM THERE IN MAY IS WHEN THE CITY WOULD WOULD SEE THE FUNDS FROM THE CENTER. AND THEN JUST THE LAST POINT IS THAT OUR FIRST DEBT SERVICE PAYMENT FROM THE NEW CEO BOND WOULD NOT BE DUE UNTIL FEBRUARY OF NEXT YEAR. SO AND WE WILL MAKE SURE, OF COURSE, THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE INCLUDED AS PART OF OUR 2027 BUDGET. SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MR. HUGHES? WANT TO ADD ANYTHING? I THINK RICHARD DID A GREAT JOB, SO I'M HAPPY TO. ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS. WELL DONE, WELL DONE TO STAFF AND TO THIS COUNCIL FOR I KNOW AMY HAS BEEN A TOPIC WITH COUNCIL FOR YEARS AND TO HAVE AN OPTION ON HOW WE MOVE FORWARD TO THIS POINT AND ACTUALLY DOING IT AND GETTING IT INITIATED AND STARTED EXECUTING IT. WELL DONE, WELL DONE. I'M HAPPY TO SEE IT. OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY.

NOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM E ONE ABG POLICE AND COURTS NEEDS ASSESSMENT. SHE'S DONE I'M SORRY. OKAY. I. GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY I'M ANGEL DELLA, PROJECT MANAGER OF DUNCANVILLE. I HAVE WITH ME. WITH ME CHIEF STOGNER, CHIEF OF POLICE AND THEN KIMLEY-HORN AG.

THEIR TEAM IS HERE WITH US. WE HAVE RODNEY MCMANUS AND JUST GO TO STRICKLAND AND LARRY. CAN I GET THAT RIGHT? YES. SO THROUGHOUT THE PRESENTATION, THEY WILL CHIME IN FOR SOME DIFFERENT ITEMS. SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND START. SO THE FIRST THING THAT WE WANTED TO DO TONIGHT IS JUST KIND OF GIVE YOU ALL A REALLY BRIEF RECAP OF HOW WE ARRIVED HERE. AND WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE TIMELINE AND SCOPE AND THE VALUE PROPOSITION. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CHIEF STOGNER AND I AND OBVIOUSLY THE THE INTERNAL TEAM AND KIMLEY-HORN ALIKE, WE ALL HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S WHY WOULD WE DO THIS? WHY WOULDN'T WE DO THIS? EXCUSE ME. SORRY Y'ALL. AND SO I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT BEFORE I GET INTO THE SLIDES IS, YOU KNOW, WHO ARE THE STAKEHOLDERS OR THE

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SO THE VALUE PROPOSITION FOR THEM. SO THEY'RE LOOKING THEY HAVE A FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY OR WE HAVE A FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY TO THEM. THEY'RE LOOKING FOR TRANSPARENCY AND THEY'RE LOOKING FOR US TO USE OUR MONEY IN THE BEST WAY, OR THEIR MONEY, IF YOU WILL, IN THE BEST WAY POSSIBLE. SO THEN THEY'RE THE DECISION MAKERS, RIGHT? SO THAT'S CITY COUNCIL. THAT'S THE FOLKS THAT ARE HERE LOOKING FOR DATA DRIVEN DECISIONS. A STRONGER VALUE PROPOSITION, PROBABLY LOOKING FOR A LOCATION THAT'S CENTRALLY LOCATED, DOESN'T REQUIRE US TO ACQUIRE A NEW SITE AND SPEND ADDITIONAL MONEY. AND THE BUSINESS CONTINUITY. SO HOW DO WE KEEP DUNCANVILLE FINEST IN A SPACE WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE ANY LEGAL LIABILITY WITH, WITH REGARD TO CHAIN OF CUSTODY AND OTHER ITEMS OF THAT SORT, AS WELL AS COURTS IN TERMS OF THEIR, THEIR SECURITY. SO THE OPERATORS ARE THE FOLKS THAT YOU SEE HERE TONIGHT, RIGHT? THEY ARE. AND THEY'RE ALSO A BENEFICIARY. AND SO THEY'RE LOOKING FOR A MODERN FACILITY. REAL TIME CRIME, IMPROVED EMPLOYEE RETENTION. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN SOME OF OUR EARLIER PRESENTATIONS. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY ENHANCED SAFETY AND SECURITY, THAT CHAIN OF CUSTODY COURT STAFF AND ALL THE PARTIES TO THOSE THOSE ITEMS, SECURITY AND SEPARATION FOR THOSE PEOPLE IN THEIR DUTIES.

AND THEN LASTLY, BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST IS THE COMMUNITY. THEY ARE THE BENEFICIARIES. SO THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE, NOT JUST OUR RESIDENTS AND THE TAXPAYERS, BUT PEOPLE THAT WILL VISIT DUNCANVILLE. SO AS WE GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT, I WANTED TO STOP AND BRING THAT TO EVERYBODY'S ATTENTION BECAUSE WE ARE WE ARE AT A CROSSROADS, IF YOU WILL.

WE EXPECT TO GO TO A MAY BOND ELECTION, AND WE DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL MAKE THAT TIMELINE JUST BEING VERY CANDID AND VERY TRANSPARENT. RIGHT. AND SO THE POSSIBILITY OF US HAVING TO MOVE IT. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DO IS THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO NEXT AND WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GO AND WHAT THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE FOR, FOR OUR CITY AND FOR OUR TEAM HERE. SO WE'LL START WITH SOME FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS ACTUALLY. SORRY. LET ME BACK UP. SO WHAT YOU ALL HAVE WHAT COUNCIL HAS IS A PRESENTATION PACKET. AND SO I WANT TO JUST LET THEM KNOW. TYPICALLY WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS HAVE THE PRESENTATION AVAILABLE. AND WE HAVE A PRETTY STRICT PROCESS INTERNALLY. WE TRY TO GET ALL OF THIS INFORMATION UPLOADED TWO WEEKS, BUT I WANT TO HELP EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE WITH THE SPECIAL NEEDS ANALYSIS. THIS PROCESS TYPICALLY TAKES A FIRM 4 TO 6 MONTHS TO DO SO. IF YOU GUYS ARE NOT AWARE, WE SIGNED THIS AGREEMENT IN OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR. IT IS ONLY JANUARY 20TH, SO WE ARE RIGHT AT ABOUT TWO AND A HALF FULL MONTHS. SO WE HAVE ASKED THEM TO DO THIS IN A VERY FAST AND FURIOUS TIME FRAME THAT TRADITIONALLY, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY OTHER FIRMS. ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE CHOSE THEM WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN THIS TIMELINE. TIMELINE. IN ORDER FOR US TO TRY TO MAKE THAT DEADLINE. SO THE REASON WHY WE HAVE THE PRESENTATION HERE FOR YOU ALL IS BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY WORKED OVER THE WEEKEND AND HOLIDAY TO PULL ALL OF THIS DATA TOGETHER. YOU ALL HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS FOR US ON THE 13TH. SO IF YOU REMEMBER, WE WERE JUST HERE LAST TUESDAY, SO THAT'S ALL THE TIME THAT WE HAD TO BRING IT ALL BACK TOGETHER. SO WE WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WHY THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE IT PUBLISHED. HOWEVER, IT WILL BE AVAILABLE. SO IT IS PRINTED HERE TONIGHT FOR CITY COUNCIL. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS IS JUST KIND OF AN OVERVIEW. WE'RE GOING TO DO THE FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS. KIMLEY-HORN AND MYSELF AND CHIEF WILL KIND OF GO BACK AND FORTH ON SOME OF THE ITEMS. WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE EXISTING SITE. JUST TO GIVE YOU GUYS A QUICK RECAP, A SUMMARY OF WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST WEEK, THE PLAN OPTIONS AND THE OPINION OF PROBABLE CAUSE. I WANT TO PLAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO WHAT THAT OPINION OF PROBABLE CAUSE IS. IT'S EXACTLY THAT, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE'RE STILL IN THE SPATIAL NEEDS. THIS IS WHAT WE HIRED. WE ASKED KIMLEY-HORN TO DO NOT THE CONSTRUCTION YET NOT BUY THE FURNITURE YET. BUT THE WHAT DO WE NEED? WHAT DEFICIENCIES DO WE NEED TO ELIMINATE? AND WHAT COULD A FACILITY POTENTIALLY LOOK LIKE. AND THEN THEY DO HAVE ANOTHER OPTION FOR US THAT WE'RE GOING TO EXPLORE TONIGHT A NEW MASTER PLAN, OPTION D WITH OPINION OF PROBABLE COST. WE WOULD LIKE, IF POSSIBLE, BECAUSE OF THE LENGTH OF THE PRESENTATION AND THE DETAIL THAT WE NEED TO GET INTO. THE FINAL PART OF IT IS IF YOU DO HAVE QUESTIONS, IF YOU COULD JOT THOSE DOWN AND WE'LL GO TO THOSE AT THE AT THE VERY END. SO WE'LL DO A Q&A. AND THEN I'M GOING TO COME BACK TO YOU WITH ANOTHER SERMON ABOUT WHY WE'RE HERE AND TALK ABOUT NEXT STEPS SO THAT WE HOPEFULLY CAN BRING THIS GROUP, BRING OUR TEAM, OUR CITY OF CHAMPIONS, TO A PLACE AND COMPEL US TO ACT. ALL RIGHT. SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP LAST WEEK WAS OPERATIONS,

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SO THAT WOULD ACTUALLY COME IN PHASE TWO. SO BUT YOU ASKED MAYOR AND A FEW OF YOU, SO WHAT IS THE TRUE COST OF EXPANSION? SO WHAT WE DID IS THAT WE TOOK A LOOK AT SOME OF THE OBVIOUSLY THE INDUSTRY LEADERS THAT DO THIS TYPE OF ESTIMATING FOR US. OUR CURRENT FACILITY IS A LITTLE LESS THAN 14,000FT■!S. TE PROPOSED IS AROUND 65. AND SO THIS IS WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE A PROJECTION FOR THE YEARLY, THE ANNUAL COST BASED ON BENCHMARKING AND THEN SAYS MEANS THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A COST INDEX THAT THEY USE. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT NUMBER ACTUALLY JUMPS SUBSTANTIALLY. SO IT'S ABOUT IT'S IT'S ALMOST FIVE TIMES AS MUCH INCREASE IN ANNUAL COSTS.

AND JUST REMEMBER THIS IS THIS WOULD BE CONSIDERING PD SEPARATE FROM CITY HALL. IT WOULD NOT BE AS MUCH. IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT LESS IF WE WERE THINKING OF CITY HALL AND THE PD, THIS WHOLE BUILDING ALL TOGETHER. SO THESE ARE SIMPLY ILLUSTRATIVE. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S AWARE OF THAT. IT'S A BENCHMARK. AND SO WE WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU BECAUSE THE QUESTION WAS ASKED. BUT WE ALSO WANT TO GIVE YOU CONTEXT BEHIND WHY WE WOULDN'T HAVE THIS EXACT NUMBER. SO MOVING TO A NEW FACILITY IS GOING TO COST US MORE MONEY. SO BASED ON THEIR BENCHMARKS, THIS IS WHERE THE IFMA WOULD PUT US AT BASED ON THOSE BENCHMARKS, 63,000 A YEAR RS. OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN SEE THEY DO A MORE DETAILED COST INDEX. SO BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE FACILITY RIGHT NOW, THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD LOOK AT. BUT DOWN THERE AT THE BOTTOM IF YOU SEE I WORK OOPS SORRY. I WORKED WITH FINANCE AND WE DID CRUNCH SOME NUMBERS. THANK YOU JENNIFER AND TEAM FOR HELPING US WITH THAT. BUT WE'RE ACTUALLY SPENDING RIGHT NOW FOR THIS FACILITY, THE ENTIRE BUILDING ABOUT 100 AND 185,000 PER YEAR. AND SO THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE SERVICE CONTRACTS. THAT'S JUST WHAT WE DATA THAT WE HAVE FROM BUILDING MAINTENANCE. SO THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE ANY ANY STRUCTURAL SYSTEMS, IF YOU WILL, THEIR SALARIES OR THE STAFF THAT DOES IT. ANY SERVICE CONTRACTS THAT WE HAVE AND WE KNOW WE HAVE OUR OWN PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT FOLKS BUT GROUNDS. SO IF IT WERE IN ANOTHER ENVIRONMENT THAT WOULD BE CAPTURED IN THAT AS WELL. SO YOU CAN LOOK AT THE DIFFERENCE THERE AND YOU CAN SEE THERE'S AN INCREASE OF ABOUT 35% IN UTILITIES, 30 IN MAINTENANCE AND REPAIRS AND THEN CUSTODIAL. AND SO WHERE THE MONEY GOES, HERE'S YOUR BREAKDOWN HERE. ALL RIGHT. SO BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO KIMLEY-HORN AGEE, I JUST WANTED TO AGAIN REMIND EVERYBODY TO THINK ABOUT SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD LAST WEEK. ONE OF THEM WAS RELATED TO STORMWATER. SO AS WE GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE WANT YOU ALL TO HOLD YOUR QUESTIONS, BECAUSE AS WE HAVE A CONVERSATION TONIGHT, WE'RE PROBABLY WE'RE GOING TO ANSWER MOST OF THOSE QUESTIONS. SO STORMWATER ALSO THERE'S A SEWER LINE. THERE'S SOME UTILITY LINES THAT WE NEED TO BE REROUTED BASED ON THE SITE DEVELOPMENT OPTION THAT WE CHOOSE AND WHAT COSTS ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE. AND SO AGAIN, I WANT TO REMIND THE GROUP THAT WE ARE IN THE SPATIAL NEEDS. WE'RE IN THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT STAGE. SO ALL OF THESE NUMBERS ARE NOT READILY AVAILABLE IMMEDIATELY IN THIS PART OF THE PROCESS.

RIGHT. YOU ALL WANT TO. LOOK FOR YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU EVERYONE. WE GOT TO MEET SOME OF YOU LAST WEEK ON OUR VIRTUAL CALL. BUT THIS IS A MUCH BIGGER CROWD. JUST A LOT OF FUN FOR US. YEAH. MY NAME IS ANNIE BRISCOE. I'M WITH KIMBERLY HORTON ASSOCIATES. I'M A CIVIL ENGINEER BY TRADE, BUT I DO ALMOST SOLELY PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES. MY HUSBAND WORKS FOR THE CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE FIRE DEPARTMENT. PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES ARE WHAT I LOVE TO DO BECAUSE THEY IMPACT FAMILIES LIKE MINE. SO WE BROUGHT IN THE EXPERTS FOR THIS PROJECT BECAUSE AGAIN, I'M A CIVIL ENGINEER. I DON'T DESIGN BUILDINGS, BUT ADG DOES, AND THEY ARE THE EXPERTS SPECIFICALLY IN SPATIAL NEEDS ANALYSIS. BUT THEN PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES AS WELL, MYSELF AND LARRY WILLIAMS, WHO'S IN THE CHAIR OVER THERE.

WE BOTH WORK FOR KIMLEY-HORN, BUT I'M GOING TO LET ME INTRODUCE ADG. MY NAME IS RODNEY MCMANUS. I'M THE SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT AND DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS FOR ARCHITECTS

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WE'VE BROKEN IT DOWN INTO PHASE ONE, WHICH IS PRE-DESIGN PLANNING. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW WITH THE SPATIAL NEEDS ASSESSMENT. THE SITE ANALYSIS, THE MASTER PLANNING AND THE DEVELOPMENT OPTIONS THAT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT TODAY. AND THEN WE'VE YET TO DO THE FINAL REPORT. THAT'S WHERE WE PULL ALL THIS. WE VALIDATE ALL THE INFORMATION, PULL IT ALL TOGETHER INTO A RECORD DOCUMENT TO GIVE. AND THAT'S USED AS THE THE BASIS OF THE PROJECT MOVING FORWARD IN PHASE TWO INTO DESIGN, DOCUMENTATION AND CONSTRUCTION. THE REALLY IMPORTANT THING I WANT TO POINT OUT IS THE PRE-DESIGN PHASE OF THE STUDY, EVEN THOUGH IT'S THE SHORTEST PHASE OF THE STUDY, IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT BECAUSE THIS IS WHEN WE'RE BUILDING THE FOUNDATION TO THE PROJECT, AND IF WE GET IT WRONG, THEN IT'S GOING TO BE HARD TO RECTIFY IN THE IN THE LATER PHASES. SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE GONE WE'VE MET WITH WITH THE CHIEF, CHIEF STOGNER AND A LOT OF THE FOLKS IN THIS ROOM. WE'VE MET UP WITH HIM ONE ON ONE. WE'VE WE'VE INTERVIEWED THEM. THEY'VE FILLED OUT QUESTIONNAIRES. THEY'VE GIVEN US ALL THEIR INFORMATION, ALL THEIR ORG CHARTS. WE'VE MET WITH THE COURTS THE SAME THING, ALL THE ORG CHARTS. AND THEN WE'VE HAD SEVERAL ROUNDS OF MEETINGS WITH THEM, UNDERSTANDING EXACTLY WHAT NEEDS TO BE IN THE PROGRAM. WE DO WHAT WE CALL A SPATIAL NEEDS ASSESSMENT. THIS IS JUST THIS IS THE EXECUTIVE, THE EXECUTIVE REPORT ON THAT. IT'S PART OF THIS SPECIAL NEEDS ASSESSMENT. BUT YOU CAN SEE HERE WE'VE BROKEN IT INTO PUBLIC ACCESS AREAS. RECORDS. POLICE ADMINISTRATION, OFFICE OF INTERNAL AFFAIRS AND SO ON. AS WE GO DOWN INTO ALSO THE MUNICIPAL COURT SPACES. SO WE'VE TALKED TO EACH OF THE REPRESENTATIVES FROM EACH OF THESE AREAS WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT COURTS TO GET THIS INFORMATION. AND THEN WE'VE USED OUR KNOWLEDGE BASE OF HOW OTHER PEOPLE, OTHER DEPARTMENTS AROUND THE COUNTRY WORK, AND WE'VE CHALLENGED THEM. I THINK THE CHIEF CAN TELL YOU WE'VE CHALLENGED THEM TO THINK A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY, MAYBE THINK OUT OF THE BOX, DON'T THINK ABOUT THE WAY THEY DO THINGS NOW, BUT THE WAY THAT THEY WANT TO DO THINGS IN THE FUTURE AND AND POLICE TRAINING, POLICE SERVICES HAVE CHANGED DRAMATICALLY IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, TEN YEARS, 15 YEARS. AND THEY'RE WITH WITH THE REAL TIME CRIME CENTER, REAL TIME INFORMATION CENTER, THINGS ARE GOING TO CHANGE DRASTICALLY IN EVEN SHORTER AMOUNTS OF TIME INTO THE FUTURE. AND WHAT THESE WHAT THESE SERVICES DO AND WHAT THESE CHANGES DO IS THAT THEY ALLOW US MORE SITUATIONAL AWARENESS FOR THE OFFICERS THAT ARE OUT IN THE FIELD. SO IT'S SAFER FOR THEM TO BE OUT THERE. AND THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE THING THAT WE WANT TO DO IS WE WANT TO TAKE CARE OF THE FOLKS THAT TAKE CARE OF US. SO THERE YOU GO. OKAY. AND SO THIS IS THE THE EXISTING SITE HERE. WE'RE SITTING IN THE CITY HALL. I SHOULDN'T TOUCH IT BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO FLIP, BUT WE'RE SAYING THE CITY HALL, WE WENT WE WENT THROUGH CITY HALL. WE ALSO WENT THROUGH THE EXISTING POLICE DEPARTMENT. WE SAW WHAT WHAT WAS AROUND THIS CORNER LOT RIGHT HERE HAS THE EXISTING IT AND FINANCE IN IT. THAT IS A ONE STORY BUILDING. THESE TWO BUILDINGS ARE ARE WERE BUILT IN IN THE 1980S. SO THEY'RE ABOUT 40, 45 YEARS OLD. THAT'S GENERALLY THE LENGTH OF TIME THAT A BUILDING EXISTS IN PROPER WORKING. WE TRY BECAUSE OF THE WAY WE BUILD BUILDINGS. OURS TEND TO LAST CLOSER TO THE 50 TO 70 TO 100 YEAR TIME SPAN

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IT WOULDN'T IT WOULDN'T IMPEDE ANY OTHER OR WOULDN'T TAKE TAKE AWAY FROM ANYTHING ELSE. THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT IN ORDER TO BUILD THE BUILDINGS YOU CAN SEE HERE, IT'S QUITE A TIGHT SITE.

WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE PUBLIC PARKING FOR COURTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, IN ORDER TO UTILIZE THIS SITE, THE EXISTING CITY HALL WOULD HAVE TO BE TORN DOWN. AND PHASE ONE, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO TEAR THE EXISTING PD DOWN. AND IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE'D HAVE TO MOVE ALL THE PD FUNCTIONS OUTSIDE OF THAT, INCLUDING ALL THE EVIDENCE AND EVIDENCE STORAGE. AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE SANCTITY OF THE EVIDENCE. IT NEEDS TO BE MAINTAINED SO THAT THE COURTS HAVE SOMETHING TO WORK WITH WHEN THEY'RE TRYING TO PUT THE BAD GUYS AWAY. SO WHAT THIS WOULD ENTAIL IS FOR ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF, THEY WOULD BE BUILDING THIS THIS NEW POLICE DEPARTMENT, THREE STORY POLICE DEPARTMENT WHERE SHOWN HERE AFTER DEMOLISHING CITY HALL.

POLICE WOULD STILL BE WORKING THERE. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A REALLY WONDERFUL ENVIRONMENT TO WORK IN, BUT STILL BECAUSE OF THE CLOSE PROXIMITY. BUT WE DO BELIEVE IT COULD BE DONE. ONCE WE BUILT THIS NEW BUILDING, WE COULD MOVE POLICE OUT AND INTO THE NEW BUILDING. ALL THE EVIDENCE THAT WOULD BE ONE MOVE, NOT TWO MOVES OUT AND BACK, AND THEN WE WOULD TEAR DOWN THE EXISTING POLICE DEPARTMENT TO MAKE WAY FOR ALL THE PUBLIC PARKING THAT'S NECESSARY FOR THE COURTS, THE CITY HALL AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO I GUESS ONE OF THE ONE OF THE CONS OF THIS IS, IS THAT IT'S A MULTI-PHASE PROCESS, AND IT'S GOING TO BE A MUCH LONGER PROCESS. AND AS WE ALL KNOW, TIME IS MONEY. SO JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT RODNEY IS SAYING. SO OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD DISPLACE A LOT OF FOLKS THE CHAIN OF CUSTODY. AND THEN IT'S JUST GOING TO COST AN ADDITIONAL RIDICULOUS, IF I CAN USE THAT WORD. ADDITIONAL COSTS INCURRED IF WE IF WE WERE TO CHOOSE THAT ONE. SO THAT YOU ALL SAW THIS LAST WEEK, THE PROBABLE CAUSE FOR OPTION A, SO WE WON'T GO THROUGH THAT LINE FOR LINE. BUT THAT ALSO IS AVAILABLE AS A RECAP FOR YOU AS WELL. SO THEN WE HAD OPTION B THAT WE WENT OVER LAST WEEK.

THE OPTION B WE, WE DECIDED TO LOOK AT AND WE HAD A GREAT IDEA. WE DECIDED TO LOOK AT THE BUILDING HERE, THE IT AND FINANCE BUILDING I BELIEVE ARE THE TWO, THE TWO ENTITIES THAT EXIST IN THE SMALLER BUILDING IN THE BACK OF THE SITE HERE ON THE CORNER. WE WE LOOKED AT TAKING OVER THAT PROPERTY AS WELL. THAT WOULD ALLOW US THEN TO BUILD THE COURTS, THE NEW POLICE AND COURTS. IT WOULD FACE MAIN STREET AND THE PUBLIC PARKING WOULD BE ON MAIN STREET,

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SOMETHING REALLY FAST BECAUSE WE GOT QUESTIONS LAST WEEK ABOUT DRAINAGE. AND THEN THE SANITARY SEWER REROUTING. I'M GOING TO ADDRESS OPTIONS A AND B FIRST. AND THEN WHEN WE GET INTO OPTION C AND D I'LL READDRESS THE SEWER BECAUSE IT CHANGES A LITTLE BIT BETWEEN THE OPTIONS AS WELL. FIRST, WITH THE SANITARY WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO REROUTE IT. IT'S PUBLICLY AVAILABLE ON YOUR GIS THAT THERE'S A TEN INCH SEWER LINE THAT BISECTS YOUR SITE.

THE WE'RE NOT QUITE THERE IN THE DESIGN PART OF THIS YET. I DON'T HAVE SURVEY INFORMATION ON THE FLOW LINES OF THE MANHOLES. HOWEVER, PENDING THAT IT IS DEEP ENOUGH TO REROUTE START THEIR COST ESTIMATE FOR OPTION A AND OPTION B ARE ROUGHLY $200,000 TO REROUTE THAT SEWER LINE. ASSUMING THAT THE FLOW LINE DEPTHS ARE THERE FOR THAT, IT'S CONSERVATIVE, AND IT'S ALSO BAKED INTO THE COST ESTIMATE THAT RODNEY HAS SHOWN. YOU'LL SEE A DIFFERENCE IN THE SITE COST FOR OPTION A VERSUS OPTION B AS WELL. WE'RE CARRYING ABOUT FOUR $400,000 PER ACRE FOR SITE DEVELOPMENT. OPTION B'S IS BIGGER BECAUSE THERE IS SIGNIFICANTLY MORE SITE DEVELOPMENT WITH THAT. THAT ALSO INCLUDES SOME OF THE DRAINAGE REROUTING THAT WE TALK ABOUT TOO. WHEN YOU GET INTO OPTION B, I WENT AND GOT TO WALK THE PARK ACTUALLY BEFORE THIS MEETING TO TO LOOK AT. YOU CAN PULL GIS CONTOURS ONLINE AND LOOK AT THEM HIGH LEVEL AND SEE IT WAS HELPFUL FOR ME. AND OPTION A, IT'S A LITTLE EASIER TO REROUTE THE STORM ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE SITE WHERE THE OPENING IS. FROM THE PARK INTO THE PARKING LOT, YOU HAVE PLUMES IN THE PARKING LOT. YOU TAKE IT OUT TO THE DRAINAGE IN THE STREET. THAT CAN PRETTY WELL STAY AN OPTION. A IT HAS TO GET REROUTED AND AN OPTIONS B, C, AND D I'M CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN ROUTE IT AROUND THE BUILDING AND THAT THAT COST IS INCLUDED IN THE SITE DEVELOPMENT COST AS WELL. AGAIN, WE'RE NOT IN DESIGN AND I DON'T HAVE RECORD DRAWINGS YET FOR THE PARK OR THE CITY HALL SITE EITHER. SO I CAN'T GIVE YOU A I'M GOING TO USE THREE FOUR BY SIX BOX CULVERTS TO DO THIS. OR OH YES, I CAN DO IT WITH AN 18 INCH PIPE, BUT I'M CONFIDENT THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT SITE COST NUMBERS RIGHT NOW TO NOT ONLY INCLUDE THE DRAINAGE REROUTE THAT'S GOING TO TAKE PLACE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE SITE, BUT ALSO ANY ADDITIONAL UNDERGROUND DETENTION THAT'S REQUIRED FOR THE FULL BUILD OUT OF THIS SITE. WHAT YOU SEE IN OPTIONS B THROUGH D ARE WHAT I WOULD CALL FULL BUILD OUT OF THE SITE. LET'S ASSUME IT'S 85% OF YOUR SITE IS PAVED. EVEN IF YOU WERE TO PAVE THAT MUCH OF YOUR SITE, YOU'RE ONLY LOOKING AT AN INCREASE OF UNDERGROUND DETENTION FOR THE PORTION THAT WE'RE PAVING. THAT'S ADDITIONAL, WHICH IS ABOUT $250,000 IN UNDERGROUND DETENTION COST. SO THIS SLIDE HERE IS JUST TO GIVE YOU ALL A LITTLE BIT OF THE SAME INFORMATION, BUT ALLOW YOU TO COMPARE THE TWO PRELIMINARY OPTIONS. SO WE HAVE A DEVELOPMENT OPTION A ON THE LEFT AND THEN OPTION B ON THE RIGHT. AND ONE THING THAT I WANT TO POINT OUT ANY THANK YOU. SHE ALREADY CALLED OUT SOME OF THOSE THINGS. THE DIFFERENCE IN COST. BUT FOR OPTION B THERE WOULD BE NO SHELL SPACE, SO THERE WOULD BE NO POTENTIAL GROWTH IF YOU WOULD. THE WAY THAT THEY PROJECTED IT OUT FOR US TO 2046. AND IT ALSO GIVES THE COST BREAKDOWN, WHICH IS NOT NOT A HUGE, HUGE DIFFERENCE.

BUT THERE'S A LITTLE THERE'S A FEW MILLION IN THERE BETWEEN THE A AND B. SO WE HAD AN OPTION C. AND SO BEFORE WE GO INTO THIS ONE I WILL SAY THAT THE INTERNAL TEAM GOT BACK WITH RODNEY AND ANNIE AND THEIR TEAM. AND WE TALKED ABOUT IS THERE A WAY TO KIND OF TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF THIS AND A LITTLE BIT OF THAT AND PUT IT TOGETHER AND MAKE ANOTHER OPTION. AND WHEN

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WE DID. ANGEL CAME BACK TO US AND THEN THE CHIEF AND THEY SAID YOU KNOW SOMEBODY MENTIONED YOU'VE GOT THAT KIND OF DOGLEG IN THE SITE. DO YOU HAVE THE. YEAH. LET ME. THERE WE GO. YOU GOT THAT LITTLE DOGLEG IN THE SITE. WHAT IF YOU STRAIGHTEN THAT OUT. WHAT WOULD IT DO TO THE PARK. WELL, WE'D HAVE TO REROUTE A PATH THAT PRESENTLY COMES LIKE THIS AND THEN FOLLOWS AND FOLLOWS IT IN. SO THAT PATH WOULD HAVE TO BE REROUTED BEYOND. GIVING THAT SPACE TO THIS SITE ACTUALLY ADDED ABOUT THREE QUARTERS OF AN ACRE TO THE SITE, WHICH IS REFLECTED IN THE IN THE OPINION OF PROBABLE CAUSE TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE SITE WORK TO DO, BUT NOT SIGNIFICANT. AND IT'S PRETTY CLEAN BECAUSE IT'S A PARK. THIS OPTION PULLS THE THE UP POLICE BUILDING AND THE NEW COURTS BUILDING CLOSER TO THE EXISTING CITY HALL, AND IT ALLOWS FOR US TO PUT PARKING ON THE ON THE PERIMETER OF THE BUILDING BETWEEN THE THE MAIN THOROUGHFARES AND THE POLICE. WE HAVE WHAT WE CALL SEPTET CRIME PREVENTION THROUGH ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN. YEAH. CRIME PREVENTION THROUGH ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN. IT TALKS ABOUT HOW FAR AWAY SHOULD A BUILDING BE FROM THE PUBLIC ROADS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S GOT A. COMMUNICATIONS CENTER IN IT. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING. AGAIN, THIS THIS HAS THE NEW POLICE BUILDING FACING THE CITY HALL.

IT'S GOT THE ENTRY PLAZA, THE MEMORIAL PLAZA THAT DOESN'T HAVE INTERRUPTED PARKING IN THE MIDDLE OF IT. IT PROVIDES US WITH ADDITIONAL PARKING THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE BEFORE, AND IT

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SO ANYBODY WHO'S IN THE PARK SEES EXACTLY WHAT THE COPS DO WHEN THEY'RE GOING OUT, WHERE THEIR CARS ARE, HOW LONG THEY'VE BEEN OUT OF THEIR CAR. IT'S VERY VISUAL. WE COULD BUILD A SOLID WALL THERE, OR EVEN A GREEN WALL ON THE FACE OF THE PARK SIDE, WHICH WOULD TERMINATE YOUR PARK WITH A GREEN FEATURE. ALSO, THERE'S A POSSIBILITY OF DOING PUBLIC ART, THINGS LIKE THAT THAT COULD BRING A REAL DYNAMIC FEEL TO THE PARK, AND IT WOULD PROVIDE YOU THAT SECURITY, THE VISION THAT YOU WOULD NEED. SO WE WERE WE WERE KIND OF THRILLED WITH THIS, THIS OPTION. BUT HONESTLY, JUST TO ADD TO WHAT RODNEY IS SAYING. SO HE KIND OF WALKED THROUGH ALL OF THE THE ITEMS, THE THE IMPROVEMENTS WITH THIS NEW PLAN. SO THESE ARE THE COSTS THAT WE WOULD AVOID. SO NO DEMOLITION, NO UNSAFE REHAB EXPENSES AND AND NOT TRYING TO DIG INTO THE EXISTING SITE. SO NO UNFORESEEN STRUCTURAL REPAIRS. SO VIRTUALLY NO NEW LOGISTICS COSTS. LIKE WE DON'T HAVE TO GO AND GET A NEW ASSET. WE'RE GOING TO USE EVERYTHING THAT WE ALREADY HAVE RIGHT HERE, THAT WE OWN THAT MURAL IDEA OR GREEN SPACE, IF YOU WILL. ON THE BACK OF THE WALL AT ARMSTRONG PARK IS OFFICIALLY OUR CULTURAL DISTRICT. SO WE WE KIND OF HAVE INCORPORATED THAT AS WELL. SO THAT IS A COMMUNITY BENEFIT. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN EARLY 2025 WAS CITY HALL ACTUALLY BEING EARMARKED TO BE FOR AN EXPANSION, TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS IN OUR 2030 PLAN. SO THAT SEEMS SO FAR AWAY A YEAR AGO, BUT IT NOW IS ONLY FOUR YEARS AWAY. BUT WE WOULD PRESERVE THIS SPACE AND MAYBE DO SOME MINOR THINGS AND LOOK AT IT LATER ON LONG TERM ABOUT WHAT AN EXPANSION OR REHAB FOR THIS FACILITY WOULD LOOK LIKE. SO THAT IS ONE OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICY AREAS.

IS FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY AND OR EXCUSE ME, FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY AND INFRASTRUCTURE. SO THEN HERE WE ARE WITH A VISUAL CONCEPT. YEAH. NOW THIS IS THIS IS ARCHITECT'S PLAN. ARCHITECTS. YOU KNOW THIS THIS IS I KNOW THAT EVERYBODY HAS THEIR OWN JUDGMENTS AND VALUES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WE BELIEVE ARCHITECTURE, MODERN DAY ARCHITECTURE SHOULD, SHOULD EXUDE STATE OF THE ART, EXUDE, YOU KNOW, CUTTING EDGE TECHNOLOGY, SOPHISTICATION, THINGS LIKE THAT. IN OUR MIND, THOUGH, WE DESIGN ANYTHING YOU WANT IN OUR MIND, A MORE CONTEMPORARY LOOK FOR A BUILDING WOULD BE BETTER. THIS WOULD BE A THREE STORY BUILDING.

IT DOES STEP DOWN TO A TWO STORY BUILDING LATER, AND THEN ONE STORY BUILDING. BY THE TIME IT GETS TO MAIN STREET, MOST POLICE FUNCTIONS WANT TO BE ON THE FIRST FLOOR. YOU CAN ASK CHIEF. CERTAINLY EVIDENCE AND PATROL ARE TWO TWO OF THE THINGS THAT REALLY WANT TO BE ON THE FIRST FLOOR. THIS SETS THE THE COURT APART FROM THE POLICE STATION. SO THEY HAVE A DUAL CONNECTED IDENTITY, BUT NOT BE THE SAME ENTRY FOR BOTH OF THEM. THEY WOULD HAVE THEIR

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BUT WE THINK IT COULD BE A GREAT LOOK FOR DUNCANVILLE. AND THIS IS JUST A COMPARISON. SO BASICALLY WE TALKED ABOUT WE NEEDED ABOUT FIVE ACRES. RIGHT NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SEVEN AND THREE QUARTER ACRES. WE ALWAYS SAID SEVEN ACRES. AND PEOPLE SAID WHY DO YOU NEED THAT? BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT A PARKING DECK. PARKING DECK IS $35,000 PER CAR. SURFACE PARKING IS $3,500 PER CAR. SO YOU'RE SAVING A LOT OF MONEY. IF YOU CAN FIND THIS SPACE ON THE GROUND, THE PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY, IT GOES UP FROM 68,000 UP TO 73,000 AND CHANGE NOT IT'S ABOUT 4000, 44,300 OR 4300FT■!S. TO GET THE CHIEF WHAT HE NEEDS FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS OF GROWTH, WE WOULD SUGGEST BUILDING A BUILDING AT LEAST TO THE 2036, BUT TO PUSH IT TO THE 2046 FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS WOULD ONLY BE ABOUT A MILLION. A MILLION, I THINK $1.3 MILLION IS IN THE IT'S IN THE BREAKDOWN HERE. YEAH. SO YOU SAVE $1,000,188 IF YOU IF YOU BUILD SHELF SPACE, WHICH WOULD BE ADDING CLOSETS WHERE THEY NEED TO EXPAND INTO THE FUTURE. IF YOU WANTED TO DO THAT, IF YOU WANTED TO BUILD IT OUT FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS, THEN IT WOULD COST THAT MUCH MORE. BUT THIS DID COME AGAIN. LIKE I SAID, THIS CAME IN A COUPLE, I THINK ABOUT $500,000 LESS THAN OPTIONS B AND C, AND YOU GET TO KEEP YOUR EXISTING PD AND YOU HAVE MORE OPPORTUNITY WITH YOUR CITY OFFICE. SO WE WE SAW THIS AS A WIN WIN. SO BEFORE WE GET TO QUESTIONS Q&A, I WANT TO JUST SAY THANK YOU TO RODNEY AND ANNIE AND THEIR TEAM FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER FOR US. AND IT'S BEEN AN ABSOLUTE DELIGHT TO WORK WITH THEM. BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE YET, SO JUST DON'T. I TOLD HER SHE'S OUR FAVORITE. SO WE DO. SO WE DO. WE DO WANT TO CALL OUT THAT THERE IS OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE SPACE, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU ALL CAN SEE WE SHARED WITH YOU LAST WEEK EACH WHAT WOULD BE ON EACH FLOOR. SO WE COULD DO ANOTHER ROUND OF REVISIONS. AND CHIEF AND I HAVE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT SOME SPACES THAT WE COULD DOWNSIZE, YOU KNOW, DOES THIS NEED THIS DOES ONE AREA DO WE NEED A COURTROOM LOBBY OF, YOU KNOW, 1200 OR 1600 SQUARE FEET? LIKE, THAT'S A HOUSE, RIGHT? IT'S A SMALL HOUSE. SOME OTHER SPACES THAT WE COULD, YOU KNOW, MINIMIZE OR BRING BACK SOME OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE WITHOUT COMPROMISING OPERATIONS. SO WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THAT. I KNOW RODNEY LOOKED AT IT AS WELL, CHIEF, AND I LOOKED AT IT. AND SO RIGHT NOW WE ARE EVEN THERE'S EVEN PROBABLY ABOUT 7 OR 8000FT■!S THAT WE COULD EVEN SCALE BACK, WHICH, YOU KNOW, AS WE GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DRILLING DOWN TO WHAT WE NEED WITHOUT COMPROMISING SAFETY FOR BOTH COURT AND PD AND THE PUBLIC, IF YOU WILL, THEN THIS PROBABLE OR OPINION OF PROBABLE COST WOULD CHANGE AGAIN, WOULD WOULD ALSO REDUCE. SO WHERE DO WE GROW FROM HERE. SO SOMETHING FOR YOU ALL TO THINK ABOUT WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE BEGINNING OR WHAT I SHARE WITH YOU ALL ABOUT THE OPERATORS, THE STAKEHOLDERS, THE DECISION MAKERS AND THE BENEFICIARIES OF A NEW POLICE FACILITY. AND SO HERE WE ARE AGAIN. WE STARTED THIS CONVERSATION, I THINK, IN THE EARLY PART OF THE SUMMER, AND KIND OF IT KIND OF CAME TO A HEAD, IF YOU WILL, LATE AUGUST, SEPTEMBER TIME FRAME. SO ARE WE ACTUALLY READY? SOME THINGS FOR US TO THINK ABOUT. ARE WE READY TO SELECT A MASTER PLAN OPTION, OR DO WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO BACK? WHAT A SELECTION WILL DO FOR US IS OBVIOUSLY WE'LL GO BACK TO THE TEAM, MAKE REVISIONS ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. IT ALSO HELPS US POINT TO WHAT SPEND IS GOING TO BE. SO I KNOW WE HAVE HILLTOP HERE IN THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT OR TALK ABOUT WHAT IT WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR GEO FOR BOND DEBT, BUT WITHOUT HAVING THAT NUMBER AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, WE REALLY CAN'T ALLOW ADG AND KIMLEY-HORN TO DO WHAT WE HAVE PROCURED THEM TO DO, RIGHT? SO THEY'RE KIND OF IN LIMBO, IF YOU WILL, WITHOUT

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OBVIOUSLY, WE CAN'T TELL THEM HOW OR WHAT TO VOTE, BUT WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM AS MUCH INFORMATION AS POSSIBLE SO THAT THEY CAN MAKE AN EDUCATED DECISION ABOUT THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE HEADED. THEY'VE TRUSTED US WITH THEIR MONEY. THIS IS THEIR CD. AND SO WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF OF THAT OF OUR TIME AND OUR RESOURCES. SO LAST BUT NOT LEAST, WE WANT TO KNOW. AND WE DON'T HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THIS TONIGHT, BUT SOMETHING FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER. AND OBVIOUSLY CITY ADMINISTRATION, OUR EXECUTIVE TEAM HERE, ARE THERE ANY OTHER SERVICES AS IT RELATES TO THIS PART OF THE PROCESS AND THE OPTIONAL TASKS THAT ARE AVAILABLE IN THIS PHASE OF THE PROJECT THAT WE WANT TO EXPLORE, AND WHAT ARE THOSE? AND SO WE WANT TO TAKE THOSE BACK TO THE TEAM AND TALK THROUGH WHAT THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE, IF IT'S GOING TO COST MORE MONEY OR CAN WE EVEN DO THOSE THINGS? IS IT IN SCOPE? SO WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. AGAIN.

THANK YOU FOR THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED AND UNDERSTANDING I UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'RE ONLY LOOKING AT THE SPATIAL NEEDS OR CONSIDERING THE SPATIAL NEEDS.

IT KIND OF PUTS ME IN A BIND ON FORMING MY QUESTIONS, BECAUSE SPATIAL NEEDS IS JUST A SMALL PORTION OF IT. I'M LET ME SAY IT FOR THE RECORD, I'M IN SUPPORT OF A NEW PD. BUT I ALSO WANT TO KNOW, YES, WE HAVE THE SPATIAL NEEDS AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE 68 MILLION. ARE WE CONSIDERING ADDITIONAL FEES THAT WE DON'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT CURRENTLY? SO I DON'T KNOW. HOW DO WE GET TO DETERMINE A BOND PACKAGE AMOUNT WHEN WE JUST KNOW THE SPATIAL NEEDS? ALSO, ANOTHER CONCERN OR A QUESTION I WOULD SAY WITH. ENCROACHING ON THE OPTION D ON THE PARK, LET'S CONFIRM THAT WE CAN DO THIS STATE WILL ALLOW FOR US TO ENCROACH ONTO THE PARK AND IF SO, THEN INFORM THE CITIZENS BECAUSE THIS IS OUR CROWN JEWEL, ARMSTRONG PARK. IT IS PART OF OUR CULTURAL DISTRICT. I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T MENTION THAT. SO LET'S JUST GET PUBLIC OPINION ABOUT TAKING THAT PORTION OF THE PARK. BUT IF I WAS TO HAVE MY SAY, I THINK THIS OPTION D PROVIDES. AND THERE'S MR. HAGER. GO AHEAD. YES. IN ORDER TO TAKE IF IF THAT PART THAT IS IN OPTION D WOULD HAVE TO ENCROACH INTO WHAT IS THAT PARK LAND. THERE HAS TO BE AN ELECTION TO WITH WHAT LAWYERS CALL D PARK, THAT PARK. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE AN ELECTION TO TAKE THAT PORTION OUT OF THE PARK. IF IT IS TRULY DEDICATED TO PARK.

THANK YOU. SO THAT WOULD THAT COULD THAT BE AT THE SAME TIME WE DO THE BOND ELECTION, WHATEVER WE DECIDE TO DO THAT. YES, YES. OKAY. SO I'LL JUST STOP THERE AND ALLOW SOMEBODY ELSE TO. SCHOOLS. YES. SO THANK YOU FOR A MY UNDERSTANDING IS Y'ALL TOOK ABOUT SIX MONTHS OF WORK COMPACTED INTO ABOUT TWO. SO 4 OR 5 MONTHS. OKAY. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU MISS DEAL

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SO IT IS INCLUDED. IT'S 82 PARKING SPACES HERE. AND THEN 40 YEARS JUST JUST TO THE RIGHT OF THE EXISTING PARKING RIGHT THERE. IT WAS OFF TO THE SIDE, THAT'S WHY. BUT IF WE CAN INCLUDE THAT THAT'S GREAT. SO TECHNICALLY THAT FALLS IN THAT PARK LIMIT LIKE WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT. SO YOU HAVE A PARK PARCEL TO THE NORTH AND THEN A PARK PARCEL TO THE EAST TO. SO I IF WE WERE GOING TO DO THE ELECTION WITH THE REVISION TO THE PARK, THAT COULD BE A PORTION OF IT. WE WERE TRYING TO LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF PARK WE'RE TOUCHING IN THESE. I MEAN, RIGHT NOW WHEN I'M OUT THERE, I THINK THAT THAT'S USED MOSTLY BY IT IS OVERFLOW PARKING FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. YEAH, YEAH. A FEW PEOPLE PARK THERE AND GO WALK OR RUN THERE PARKING SOMEWHERE ELSE. SO I MEAN THAT THAT SHOULD PROVIDE SOME MORE SPACE FOR US TO WORK WITH. THERE IS ALSO WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOU HAVE THE PARKING LOT NEAR THE SENIOR CENTER NORTH OF ARMSTRONG PARK TOO, AND THERE'S A COUPLE NICE TRAILS THAT FLOW THROUGH THERE.

AND IF YOU EVER NEEDED TO USE THEM FOR OVERFLOW PARKING OR EVEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WHEN YOU CONSTRUCT THIS THEORY IS GOING TO BE A HEAVY PHASING PLAN. THERE ARE PORTIONS OF THIS PHASING WHERE YOU WILL DISPLACE PEOPLE AND THEIR PARKING SPOTS. THAT PARKING LOT IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE ONE OF THOSE SPACES. SOMEBODY'S GOING TO CORRECT ME IF THAT IS NOT ALLOWED. BUT WHEN YOU DO THAT, WE COULD ADD TEMPORARY OR PERMANENT LIGHTING IN THE PARK AS WELL, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS A SAFE PATH IF YOU PERMANENTLY WANT TO USE IT TO GET TO ANY OF THESE FACILITIES, BUT ALSO IN THE INTERIM, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE PHASING THAT GOES INTO A FACILITY LIKE THIS AND THE DIFFERENT PARKING AND THE TRANSITION OF PARKING, KNOWING THAT YOU HAVE LARGE EVENTS HERE AND KNOWING THAT YOU HAVE A COUPLE HUNDRED STAFF

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SO I WOULD RECOMMEND MAKING THAT CHANGE. AND THEN ONE THING I SAW, AND I GUESS I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS ON, MAYBE ON THE, THE RENDERING THAT THE ONE RENDERING THAT WE HAD. BUT YOU SAID THAT IT WOULD THE THREE STORY SIDE OF IT WOULD BE FACING MORE INTERNAL AND THAT IT WOULD STEP DOWN AND IT WOULD STEP DOWN FROM THE STREET. YOU WOULD SEE THE ONE STORY COMPONENT. SO IN OTHER WORDS, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THIS BIG LOOMING STRUCTURE. NO, NO, NO, IT STEPS BACK. AND AGAIN, THIS IS THIS IS VERY PRELIMINARY. SO IF WE IF WE WE GENERALLY DO SUN STUDIES, SIGHTLINE STUDIES, THINGS LIKE THAT, WE HAVEN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.

BUT IT COULD BE THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS WE PULL THAT THAT THIRD STORY BACK A LITTLE BIT. OR MAYBE IT'S MAYBE IT'S ONLY A TWO STORY WITH A STEP BACK, AND THEN IT STEPS BACK DOWN AND GOES OUT SO WE CAN PLAY WITH THE VOLUMES. SO IT'S NOT OVERWHELMING. WE, WE USE A TRAUMA INFORMED ARCHITECTURE IS IS A TERM THAT WE UTILIZE. AND IT'S IT'S TALKING ABOUT DESIGNING BUILDINGS SO THAT THEY'RE NOT FORTRESSES SO THAT THEY'RE WELCOMING. AND AND WHEN WE WHEN WE LOOK AT PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDINGS IN COURTS, NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE GO TO A, TO A POLICE STATION OR A COURT JUST TO HANG OUT ON THEIR OWN BECAUSE THEY WANT TO BE THERE.

RIGHT. BUT BUT, BUT BUT YEAH, MAYBE THE CHIEF DOES. SO A LOT OF TIMES THE REASON YOU'RE THERE IS SOMETHING TERRIBLE HAPPENED TO YOU OR YOU'VE DONE SOMETHING TERRIBLE. AND IN EITHER CASE, WE WE WANT IT TO BE A WELCOMING ENVIRONMENT, SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE NOT AFRAID OF. THE CHIEF CAN TELL YOU THIS, THAT, THAT IF YOU'RE INTERVIEWING SOMEBODY AND YOU'RE QUESTIONING THEM, IF THEY FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE, THEY'LL TELL YOU MORE. AND SO THERE'S A WAY OF DOING ARCHITECTURE. SO IT HELPS TO TO BRING THE POLICE AND THE PUBLIC TOGETHER IN A WAY THAT IT BENEFITS EVERYONE. YOU KNOW, AND THE COMMUNITY SHOULDN'T BE AFRAID OF THE AUTHORITY OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND I THINK WHERE WHERE OUR COMMUNITIES TODAY ARE, I'M SORRY TO SAY, IS PULLED AWAY A LOT. AND THROUGH ARCHITECTURE, WE BELIEVE, AND THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS I WAKE UP HAPPY EVERY MORNING, ALMOST EVERY MORNING IS WE, WE, WE TRY AND HEAL SOME OF THAT. WE TRY AND BRING SOME OF THAT STUFF TOGETHER AND AND FOSTER THOSE RELATIONSHIPS. AND THE OTHER THING ABOUT A BRAND NEW BUILDING I FAILED TO MENTION THIS BEFORE IS RETENTION OF EMPLOYEES AND ALSO RECRUITMENT OF EMPLOYEES. IT COSTS A LOT OF MONEY TO TRAIN A COP, A LOT OF MONEY TO TRAIN A COP, AND IF THEY HAVE BAD FACILITIES, THEY'RE NOT CONVENIENT. THEY DON'T PROVIDE THEM WITH THE THINGS THAT THEY NEED TO DO THEIR JOB SAFELY. THEN THEY'RE GOING TO FIND SOMEWHERE ELSE TO GO. AND SO YOU'VE PAID FOR THE COLLEGE JUST SO THEY CAN GO SOMEWHERE ELSE TO WORK. AND THAT'S IT'S NEVER A GOOD THING.

THANK YOU SIR. YEAH I'M 100% BEHIND THE OPTION D, AND I LIKE THE 2046 FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT WHEN WE WERE CHOOSING OUR FIRE STATION, I BELIEVE COUNCILMEMBER AND FORMER MAYOR GORDON WERE ON THE COUNCIL. THEN WE HAD AN OPTION, YOU KNOW, A, B AND C, RIGHT. AND C OBVIOUSLY WAS THE BIGGEST. IT HAD MORE SPACE AND IT WAS IT WAS A TOUGH CALL. HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. IT COST MORE OBVIOUSLY. AND THIS ONE DOESN'T. BUT THAT'S THAT'S MY REASONING BEHIND THAT. SO THANK YOU. GO AHEAD OKAY. SO IN THIS HOW MANY EMPLOYEES WILL BE HOUSED HERE IN THE NEW SPATIAL NEEDS. YOU WERE YOU HAD INCREASED THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES FOR UP TO. WELL YOU'VE GOT YOU CAN'T FAIL RIGHT NOW. RIGHT, RIGHT. SO SO HERE WE HAVE 65 OFFICERS. BUT THEN WE'RE INCREASING BY EIGHT. AND THEN WE HAVE 15 PROFESSIONAL STAFF. WE'RE INCREASING BY TWO. SO. OKAY LET ME GET OUT MY CALCULATOR AND LET SOMEBODY CAN

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BUT THEY'RE STRATEGIC POSITIONS. IN ADDITION TO THAT WE CAN ALL SIT HERE AND KIND OF GUESS 20 YEARS FROM NOW WHAT HAPPENS, YOU KNOW, IS CRIME GOING TO SPIKE ALL OF A SUDDEN? IS MARTIAL LAW COMING? YOU KNOW, THERE'S A TON OF STUFF THAT WE CAN SIT HERE AND TALK ABOUT.

BUT WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS BUILD SOMETHING. AND THEN FIVE YEARS COME TO YOU AND SAY, HEY, WE NEEDED MORE SPACE. HERE'S MY RESIGNATION LETTER. YOU KNOW? AND ULTIMATELY, I WOULD EXPECT THAT. SO I UNDERSTAND HOW APPREHENSIVE WE ARE. I GET IT WHEN IT COMES TO, HEY, THIS IS $64 MILLION, I GET IT. BUT THIS IS YOU CAN SEE HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS. YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND THAT YOU GUYS ARE VERY SUPPORTIVE IN THIS, BUT ALL I NEED AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IN THESE LAST 2 OR 3 MONTHS IS WHERE'S OUR CEILING? YOU KNOW, THEN I CAN GO BACK AND MAKE THESE ADJUSTMENTS AND COME BACK AND SAY, THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN MOVE INTO THIS POLICE DEPARTMENT WITH THAT CEILING, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. WELL, I'M GLAD YOU SAID THE CEILING PART, BECAUSE WE TRIED TO DO A PACKAGE A FEW MONTHS AGO BASED ON THE CEILING, AND IT'S NOWHERE NEAR WHAT YOU NEEDED. CORRECT. SO YOU'RE ABLE TO COME BACK WITH SOME ASSESSMENTS THAT ARE TRUE AND ACCURATE TO WHAT WE'RE REALLY NEEDING. AND IF WE'RE CONSIDERING BUILDING FOR THE FUTURE INSTEAD OF BUILDING FOR TODAY, WE DO HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT SPACE THAT WILL BE NEEDED FOR THE NEW EMPLOYEES. AND I HEAR ALL THE TIME FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT WE WISH WE HAD MORE POLICE OFFICERS, AND IF THIS WOULD ALLOW FOR US TO HOUSE THE NEW POLICE OFFICERS THAT THE CITIZENS ARE INTERESTED IN HAVING, I THINK THAT'S A A GREAT OPPORTUNITY. ALSO, YOU MENTIONED AT THE LAST MEETING THAT YOU WOULD HOST OTHER CITIES FOR THE TRAINING ROOM. COULD YOU SPEAK TO THAT? IS THAT GOING TO BE A COST SERVICE THAT LIKE WILL THIS OTHER LIKE TRI CITY AN AGREEMENT FOR OTHER CITIES? WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN AN AGREEMENT FOR USING OUR TRAINING? ABSOLUTELY.

NOW, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS CONVERSATION REGIONALLY IS. I HAVE HEARD RUMORS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT A REGIONAL TRAINING FACILITY DOWN IN CEDAR HILL. I'M NOT SURE WHERE THAT IS, BUT ABSOLUTELY, WITH THE SPACE THAT WE HAVE, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO HOST REALLY ANYTHING. YOU KNOW, I'M BIG ON THE LEADERSHIP ASPECT OF THINGS. I HAVE TO SEND PEOPLE OUT TO THE FBI TRILOGY CLASSES NOW. WE CAN HOST THEM AND WE GET A BENEFIT FROM THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TO THEN PAY THAT TUITION. WE ONLY GET A COUPLE OF SPOTS, BUT IT'S THAT COST SAVING. WE CAN'T DO THAT NOW. IN FACT, YOU SAW THE PICTURE WHERE I HAD THREE OFFICERS, OUR NEWEST OFFICERS IN OUR REPORT WRITING, DOING TRAINING, WHILE SOME OF THESE GUYS WERE WERE DOING REPORTS.

THAT'S NOT A GOOD LOOK FOR ME, ESPECIALLY WHEN SEEMINGLY PRETTY MUCH EVERY AGENCY THAT I'M GOING TO ARE NOW DEVELOPING A NEW POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO WE HAVE THEM FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS UNTIL THEY REALIZE, HEY, THE NEW IS WORN OFF. NOW I WANT TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE THAT, YOU KNOW, A POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS A SAUNA. WHAT DOES IT COST TO FULLY TRAIN A POLICE OFFICER AND GET THEM ON THE STREET? FROM THE MOMENT HE'S WALKING IN TO THE MOMENT HE'S ON THE STREET, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT SO ROUGHLY ABOUT $250,000. 250,000 GONE OUT THE DOOR WHEN THEY DECIDE TO GO 100%. AND I'M TELLING YOU, IT IS VERY GOOD TRAINING THAT WE HAVE HERE. WE GET AS MUCH AS I HATE TO SAY IT, I GET A LOT OF COMPLIMENTS WITH OUR OFFICERS MOVING ELSEWHERE BECAUSE THEY DON'T NEED TO BE TRAINED. THEY KNOW HOW TO POLICE. AND THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IS WE DO A LOT OF GREAT WORK HERE. THANK YOU MAYOR. MAYOR SAYS UP HERE. WE HAVE BEEN WAITING A LONG TIME AND YOU ARE KIND OF TOUCHING ON THAT A LITTLE BIT WITH THE SIZE OF THE PROJECT. AND THAT'S BEEN MY HARDEST PART, GETTING MY HEAD AROUND, GOING 4 TO 5 TIMES BIGGER THAN WHAT WE HAVE NOW. AND WE ABSOLUTELY NEED TO DO SOMETHING. FOR ME, I JUST NEED TO KNOW THIS IS WHAT WE NEED. WE'RE NOT OVERDOING IT. WE'RE NOT GOING TOO FAR. AND I GUESS I NEED SOME JUSTIFICATION FOR THE SITE, THE SIZE OF THE PROJECT. AND DO WE HAVE SOME THINGS? AND I'VE LOOKED AROUND SOME OF THE DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITIES, JUST SOME THINGS TO COMPARE IT TO AND WHAT THEY'VE DONE, BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S GROWING CITIES THAT ARE PUTTING NEW POLICE DEPARTMENTS OUT THERE. RIGHT. WE'VE, WE'VE DONE OVER 450 POLICE AND OR PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES. WE'VE DONE SPECIAL NEEDS ASSESSMENT STUDIES FOR 456 MUNICIPALITIES. WE'VE DONE ABOUT 250 PROJECTS WHERE THEY CAME IN TO BRICKS AND MORTAR, BUILT PROJECTS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. SO WHAT WE CAN BRING IS WE CAN BRING HOW OTHER

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DETECTIVES EVEN WORK IN CUBICLES NOW THAT ARE IN A BULLPEN AREA. AND WE FIND IT ACTUALLY WORKS BETTER BECAUSE THERE'S A CROSS-POLLINATION. IF YOU'RE WORKING ON THE SAME CASE WITH A DIFFERENT DETECTIVE, NOW, YOU'VE GOT A CLEAR WAY OF LOOKING AND DISCUSSING THINGS WITHOUT HAVING TO GET UP, GO INTO THEIR OFFICE AND TALK TO THEM AND GO BACK TO YOUR OFFICE AND DO SOMETHING. SO ALL THESE THINGS WORK TOGETHER. AND AND THE MORE MODULAR WE CAN MAKE THIS, THE MORE IT BREEDS. AND SO IT CAN GROW AND CONTRACT AS IT NEEDS TO, TO TO FIT MORE PEOPLE. CHIEF, I APPRECIATE YOU MENTIONING THAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO DOWNSIZE SOME THINGS. AND ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS THAT WITH THE BOND, WE'RE GOING TO HANDCUFF OURSELVES INTO THE FUTURE WITH SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE WANT TO DO. SO I THINK FINDING THAT CAP OR FINDING THAT SMALLER, I WANT TO SAY SMALLEST OR BUT WHAT'S GOING TO BE BEST FOR US LONG TERM AND MAKE MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT OVERDOING IT. AND WHEN I SEE SOME OF THESE OTHER FACILITIES, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE COMPARISON. YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE MIGHT BE 2 OR 3 YEARS OLD THAT THEY'VE DONE, BUT THEY'VE COST LESS. AND I KNOW I'VE TALKED ABOUT 7% PER MONTH OR PER YEAR THAT THEY INCREASE. AND, YOU KNOW, EVEN SOME OF THOSE, WHEN YOU FACTOR THAT IN, THEY'RE STILL COMING IN LESS AND THEY'RE GROWING. CITIES ARE DOING THESE THINGS. SO I'D LIKE TO SEE WHERE THEY'RE DOING IT, HOW THEY DID IT, OR SOME SORT OF A COMPARISON THAT Y'ALL CAN BRING. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU ALL HAVE DONE? YES. YEAH, 100%. WE CAN DO THAT. YEAH. NOW WHEN WHEN WE DESIGN FACILITIES, GENERALLY YOU DON'T WALK INTO A POLICE FACILITY OR FIRE FACILITY AND SEE, YOU KNOW, BCT OR BAT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, VINYL FLOORING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WE USE, USE PORCELAIN TILE AT THE VERY LEAST. OR, OR OR A LOT OF TIMES WE'LL USE POLISHED CONCRETE. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S A IT'S A KIND OF A COOL LOOK, ESPECIALLY FOR THE BACK OF HOUSE AREAS, MUCH, MUCH LESS EXPENSIVE, BUT INCREDIBLY DURABLE. YOU KNOW, WE PUT THE HOSPITAL GUARDS LIKE, YOU SEE, YOU KNOW, THE ON ALL THE WALLS, THE MAIN CORRIDORS BECAUSE THEY'RE BIG. THEY'RE BIG. GUYS HAVE GUNS AND THEY THEY SCRAPE THE WALLS. SO WE DO THINGS THAT THAT MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE BUILDING CAN BE EASILY MAINTAINED, DURABLE. IT'LL LAST FOREVER. NOBODY'S HARDER ON A BUILDING THAN FIREMEN, EXCEPT MAYBE FOR COPS. SO, IF I MAY, I WANT TO ADD ONE THING TO YOUR THING IS, IS NOT ONLY IS IT THE SIZE, BUT IT'S WHERE EVERYBODY'S LOCATED. WE ARE SO INEFFICIENT IN OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT. WE HAVE OUR DRONE WAS DEPLOYED THREE TIMES IN THE PAST, WHAT, FOUR DAYS ON OUR FOOT CHASES? WE HAVE PEOPLE RUN FROM US. WELL, YOU HAVE TO GET THROUGH A SECURE DOOR BECAUSE THEY'RE HOUSED ON THIS SIDE OF THE BUILDING. SO THERE'S LACK OF COMMUNICATION AS WELL. AND THAT'S HUGE. MY TWO ASSISTANT CHIEFS ARE AS FAR AWAY FROM ME AS THEY CAN. AND THAT'S SO THAT'S INEFFICIENCY COMES INTO PLAY AS WELL. GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY. SO I JUST WANTED TO ADD TO WHAT HE'S ASKING AND JUST KEEP KEEP ME HONEST. SO YOU'RE LOOKING FOR SOMEWHAT OF A COMPARATIVE ANALYSIS. AND SO JUST SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THE INTERNAL TEAM WE DEFINITELY ARE HAVE HAVE COMPILED IT'S NOT PREPARED YET. BUT WE LOOKED AT SEVERAL CITIES, EVEN SOME THAT ARE NOT QUITE LIKE OURS. APPLES AND ORANGES IF YOU WILL. SO FORT WORTH, ROWLETT, TERRELL, ROYSE CITY, SEVERAL CITIES IN COMPARISON TO US. AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO CALL

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WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS BECAUSE ONCE YOU GET OUT TO WHEATLAND, FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO WITH THAT STORMWATER YOU'VE CAPTURED. YOU'LL FIND OUT WHEATLAND IS FLAT. AND SO THAT COULD BE A WHOLE CAN OF WORMS. THAT OPENS UP AS TO HOW WE CAN REDO A SEWER LINE, A STORM SEWER LINE DOWN TO, I'M GOING TO ASSUME TOWARDS COCKRELL HILL. WE DON'T

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SO WE DO HAVE THAT TAX SIMPLIFICATION INFORMATION TO I. JUST BEFORE WE GO ON TO HERE THAT I WANT TO ASK YOU ALL. YOU'VE BEEN DOING THIS A LONG TIME. YOU'VE BEEN DOING IT A LOT OF PLACES AND I'VE BEEN DOING IT SINCE 23. YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO TELL US THAT. BUT. YOU HEARD WHAT I JUST SAID, WHAT I JUST SAID ABOUT THE KIND OF THE INCOMPLETENESS OF THE PROCESS.

HOW OFTEN DO YOU VENTURE ON AND STILL HAVE THINGS ON THE TABLE THAT DON'T DON'T GET REALLY VETTED OUT? WE DON'T LIKE TO DO THAT. AND WE WE PREFER EVERYTHING TO BE VETTED OUT BECAUSE IT KEEPS EVERYONE SAFE AND HAPPY. AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THERE'S LESS FINGERPOINTING IF WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, WE WE ABSOLUTELY LOVE TO DO THAT. WHEN WE PUT TOGETHER THESE OPINIONS OF PROBABLE CAUSE. AND I'LL SAY THAT IT'S AN OPINION OF

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WE'VE WORKED IN GEORGETOWN, HIGHLAND PARK, DALLAS, WE'VE WORKED WE'VE WORKED ALL AROUND THIS AREA, LONGVIEW. AND THESE ARE COSTS THAT WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE CONFIDENT WITH. IN ADDITION TO THAT, YOU'LL SEE IN THERE THAT WE HAVE TWO YEARS BECAUSE WE KNOW IT'S GOING TO TAKE AT LEAST TWO YEARS FROM TODAY FOR YOU TO REALIZE THIS BUILDING. AND SO WE'VE WE'VE GOT THE ESCALATIONS IN THERE OF 5% PER YEAR. THEY'VE BEEN RANGING SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 4 AND 6%. SO WE USED A BLENDED AT FIVE. DURING THE PANDEMIC, THERE WERE 20% A YEAR INCREASES IN CONSTRUCTION COSTS. SO WE FACTORED IN TWO YEARS OF THAT AND WE'VE GOT A 10% CONTINGENCY IN THERE AS WELL, WHICH IS I THINK IS 4.4 MILLION CHANGE IN CONTINGENCIES, WHICH HELPS US AT LEAST ADD A PILLOW THERE SO THAT THERE'S NO PERFECT PROJECT, THERE'S NO PERFECT DRAWING, THERE'S NO PERFECT DESIGN. I WISH I COULD SAY THERE WAS IF I COULD SAY THAT I'D BE A LOT SMARTER THAN I AM TODAY. BUT THERE IS NO PERFECT. AND WE LEARN THINGS EVERY DAY. BUT EVERY PROJECT WE DO, WE LEARN A LITTLE BIT MORE, AND WE'RE A LITTLE BIT BETTER ON THE NEXT ONE. AND COMBINED, I THINK WE'VE PROBABLY DONE HUNDREDS OF PROJECTS AND IT'S VERY SIMILAR PROJECTS TO THIS. THANK YOU. JEREMY SAID. 10% CONTINGENCIES BUILT INTO THE 68. YES. THAT'S THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE. THEY'RE ALL THEY'RE ALL LINE ITEMS OUT THERE. AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD THAT. AND WE'VE GOT ALL THE SOFT COSTS ARE INCORPORATED IN THAT. THE ONLY THING THAT AREN'T INCORPORATED GEOTECHNICAL, WHICH IS USUALLY DONE BY THE CITY MOVING EXPENSES. AND WE EVEN HAVE FOR THE FIXTURES, FURNISHINGS AND EQUIPMENT INCLUDED IN THERE AS WELL AS TECHNOLOGY, SECURITY. ALL OF THAT IS ALL INCLUDED IN. SO OKAY. BECAUSE YES, BECAUSE I KNOW WE'D ASKED ABOUT THIS LAST WEEK AND CHIEF SPOKE A LITTLE BIT TO THIS AS FAR AS DELAYS. THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE WORLD BETWEEN NOW AND NOVEMBER. THAT MIGHT CHANGE THE WHOLE ATMOSPHERE. AND WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT TALKING ABOUT THIS, TALKING ABOUT THIS, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT IT BECAUSE SOMETHING HAPPENS. RIGHT? AND THAT'S, THAT'S MY MY BIGGEST CONCERN ABOUT PUTTING ANY KIND OF DELAY PAST MAY. SO JUST PUT THAT OUT THERE. I KNOW THE CHIEF SPOKE TO IT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO REMIND US. NO, I AGREE, I THINK YOU KNOW, WHAT QUESTIONS WILL COME UP IF WE POSTPONE TO NOVEMBER. AND THEN ARE WE ASKING FOR ANOTHER POSTPONEMENT TO TO MARCH? EVENTUALLY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO RIP THE BAND-AID OFF. AND I HATE TO SAY IT LIKE THAT, BECAUSE IT'S JUST GOING TO GRADUALLY SNOWBALL AND COST. WE'VE I BELIEVE THAT WE PERFORMED AND AND PROVIDED GREAT INFORMATION BASED OFF MY KNOWLEDGE, BASED OFF THE EXPERTS HERE. I JUST I WISH I COULD FORECAST WHAT HAPPENS. EVERYBODY SEES WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. WILL THAT EVENTUALLY TRICKLE DOWN INTO LOCAL GOVERNMENT? WELL, WHO KNOWS WHAT HAPPENS IN SPRINGFIELD, ILLINOIS, BECAUSE THAT WOULD AFFECT US. IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN WHAT HAPPENED IN 2018. SO OF COURSE, MY RECOMMENDATION IS FOR MAY WE HAVE EVERYTHING PREPARED EDUCATIONAL WISE TO START IMMEDIATELY. BUT I NEED Y'ALL'S FEEDBACK ON DIRECTION, ON WHAT DO I NEED TO DO AT THIS POINT? I HAVE ALL MY DUCKS IN A ROW. I SAW THAT ON YOUR BOOK, BY THE WAY. SO? SO I'M READY. ANGEL DID AN EXEMPLARY JOB TONIGHT.

THESE GUYS DID A GREAT JOB TONIGHT PRESENTING THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE. I WOULD JUST LIKE, IF I MAY ADD, SO MAYOR PRO TEM ASKED THE QUESTION AND VOICE CONCERN ABOUT A PREVIOUS PROJECT. AND WHILE SOME OF US WERE NOT HERE, WE WE LIKE TO TAKE ACCOUNTABILITY, RIGHT. BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE ROOM. SO WE'RE PART OF THE TEAM. SO WE WANT TO OWN WHETHER IT'S PAST, YOU KNOW, HAPPENED PRIOR TO US. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THAT I CAN SAY FROM AN INTERNAL STANDPOINT, NOT TO GET TOO INTO THE WEEDS, BUT PART OF THE GAP THAT WE EXPERIENCED AFTER GOING BACK AND LOOKING AT I WORKED WITH I THINK CHAD'S TEAM HAD SOME INFORMATION FOR ME, ALLAN BROWN. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LOOKED AT IS WE WE DON'T

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THE LAST TIME WE DID A PROJECT, WE WENT WAY OVER BUDGET. SO WE INTERNALLY AGAIN, WE THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE HERE TO PRESENT, BUT WE RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE SOME CHECKS AND BALANCES INTERNALLY THAT WE NEEDED TO HAVE SO THAT WE COULD CARRY A PROJECT OF THIS NATURE. AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE EARLY THINGS THAT WE SAID, LIKE, DO YOU NEED TO PUT A CONTINGENCY IN HERE? WE KNOW IT'S GOING TO INFLATE THE NUMBER. IT'S GOING TO LOOK CRAZY, BUT WE CAN'T DO ANOTHER F1, WE CAN'T DO ANOTHER FIRE STATION, ONE WITH ALL OF THOSE CHANGE ORDERS. SO WE HAVE SOME WORK TO DO THERE. I BELIEVE WE HAVE TIME TO BUILD THAT OUT. I FEEL LIKE IF WE HAVE THE LEADERSHIP THAT SAYS THIS IS A PRIORITY, IF YOU ALL ARE SAYING, HEY, WE NEED TO KNOW, SO WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? RIGHT? SO IF WE CAME TO YOU ALL AND THERE WAS A CHANGE ORDER FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT, WHAT DOES THAT LANGUAGE, WHAT IS THE RESOLUTION? HOW DO WE BUILD THAT AS WE MOVE INTO A PROJECT LIKE THIS, WHETHER IT'S IN MAY OR NOVEMBER THAT SAYS IF WE GO TO THIS AMOUNT, WE NEED TO GET ANOTHER LEVEL OF APPROVAL, AND WE NEED TO COME TO YOU WITH JUSTIFICATION ON WHY WE'RE MAKING THIS CHANGE AND WHY IT'S HAPPENING. SO WE DEFINITELY WANT TO OWN THAT. WE HAVE SOME OPPORTUNITY INTERNALLY TO BUILD OUT THAT PROCESS AND BE ABLE TO SHARE THAT OBVIOUSLY WITH OUR INTERNAL TEAM AND WHOEVER WE GO TO WHEN WE DO GET TO THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION PHASE, WE WANT TO DO THOSE PORTIONS. THE LAST THING THAT I'LL SAY IS I DEFINITELY AGREE WITH CHIEF IN TERMS OF AND I THINK WE'VE SAID IT A COUPLE OF TIMES, YOU KNOW, WE ARE KICKING THE CAN AT THE SAME TIME WE DO WE DO WANT TO MAKE AN INFORMED AND AN EDUCATED DECISION. AND MAYOR POINTS OUT, YOU KNOW, ANGEL, YOU ALL ARE DOING THE RESEARCH AND YOU'RE PULLING THAT INFORMATION TOGETHER. AND THIS IS HOW WE LANDED HERE LAST YEAR IN THE FALL, BECAUSE THERE WERE SO MANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS.

AND SO I RESONATE WITH WHAT CHIEF IS SAYING. IF YOU SAY THIS IS WHERE WE STOP, OR IF YOU SAY WE GO OR WE OR WE HOLD OFF, WE OBVIOUSLY ARE NOT GOING TO DEFY THAT. WE WILL DO THAT.

IT WILL GIVE US ADDITIONAL TIME. IT WILL MAKE THE EDUCATIONAL COMPONENT JUST THAT MUCH MORE ROBUST. BUT I WILL SAY THAT WE CAN'T NOT DO SOMETHING THAT I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. CAN I ADD JUST ONE MORE THING? YOU SAID? VERY WELL SAID. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW, RIGHT? I'VE HEARD ALMOST EVERY POLICE CHIEF I'VE EVER MET SAY THAT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW. AND THAT'S AN IMPORTANT WAY TO THINK ABOUT LIFE IN GENERAL. BUT THE TWO THINGS KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD ADDS MONEY TO THE PROJECT. THAT'S NUMBER ONE. SO NOT A GREAT THING. BUT THAT'S NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO WITH WITH THE QUESTIONS THAT THE CHIEF RAISED WITH WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH POLICE, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN ILLINOIS. HOW'S THAT GOING TO AFFECT US. THINGS LIKE THAT? I WOULD I WOULD JUST IN ANGEL WE DO A SEMINAR. ANGELS SEEN ANOTHER CHIEF TALK. NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS, YOU WANT TO BE AS READY AS YOU CAN POSSIBLY BE WITH, WITH YOUR POLICING. IF YOU DON'T KNOW, IT'S BETTER TO PLAN FOR THE WORST AND HOPE FOR THE BEST. AND YOU KNOW, I DON'T LIVE HERE. I DON'T HAVE A DOG IN THIS RACE.

SO. SO I'M GOING TO END WITH THIS REAL QUICK. SO ALLOW US INTERNALLY, MY PEOPLE ANGEL, THESE GUYS ALLOW US TO GO BACK AND LOOK AND SEE. LOOK AT SOME THINGS. THAT WAY I CAN GET WITH THEM AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHAT I'M LOOKING AT REDUCING. WHAT IS YOUR OPINION? WELL, BEST CASE SCENARIO, YOU DO THAT, THEN YOU HAVE TO EXPECT THIS. AND, YOU KNOW, A YEAR FROM NOW OR TWO YEARS FROM NOW. SO ALLOW US TO DO THAT NOW, BETWEEN NOW AND FEBRUARY 16TH, WE'D PROBABLY HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER SPECIAL SESSION SO WE CAN PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO YOU AND THE INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR THEIR COUNCIL MEMBER, PENNEBAKER. SO WE STILL HAVE TIME, AND I'M STILL GOING TO WORK WEEKENDS, NIGHTS AND EVERYTHING I CAN FOR THE PEOPLE SITTING IN THIS ROOM. AND I KNOW SHE IS AS WELL. SO JUST GIVE US THAT. DON'T LET'S NOT PUNT IT YET. WELL. YOU MAY RECALL THAT SATURDAY NIGHT AT THE STATE OF THE CITY, I ASKED HOW THINGS WERE GOING AND YOU WERE AT A LOSS FOR WORDS BECAUSE YOU HAD BEEN PUTTING IN SO MANY HOURS. I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE WHAT YOU ALL PUT IN, AND I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MUCH THAT MEANS TO KNOW THAT IT MEANS SO MUCH TO YOU THAT YOU'RE PUTTING IN THOSE

[02:30:04]

WHY? THAT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE NEED FOR THE POLICE STATION. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'D LIKE TO HEAR BACK ON WHEN WE GET BACK TOGETHER. SO. WELL, I THINK EXCUSE ME. SO, SO I MEAN, WE CAN AT LEAST, I DON'T KNOW. SOUNDS LIKE AT LEAST WE HAVE AN OPTION THAT WE FEEL. THERE'S SOME SEEMS LIKE THERE'S SOME KIND OF CONSENSUS WHERE WE CAN AT LEAST SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN OPTION THAT WE'RE ALL COMFORTABLE WITH. GO AND GET THE INFORMATION FOR THAT OPTION. SO YEAH, WE STILL HAVE ONE MORE PIECE THAT WE WANT TO I REALLY WANT TO SHOW YOU ALL THAT Y'ALL ASKED FOR WHAT THE TAX IMPLEMENTATION WOULD BE. SO I'M NOT DOING MY JOB IF I DON'T SHOW YOU ALL THAT INFORMATION. SO WE DO HAVE JASON USING RICHARD JACKSON HERE. I THINK WE'VE GOT THE SLIDE ON. I THINK WE'VE GOT IT ON THE SCREEN. BUT I THINK JASON HAS HANDOUTS. SO WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE Y'ALL HAVE THE INFORMATION ABOUT TAX IMPLICATIONS TOO. AND IS KIND OF MR. PENNEBAKER MENTIONED LIKE YOUR ABILITY TO DO OTHER THINGS DOWN THE ROAD AS WELL. THAT WILL THAT WILL IMPACT IT FOR SURE. AND I HAVE TO SAY THAT THAT'S I'M NOT DOING MY JOB IF I DON'T. SO WE'LL PASS THIS OUT. AND. HAWAII'S PASSING OUT. CAN I ASK ANOTHER QUESTION? SURE. THE CONTINGENCY DOES THAT THAT CONTINGENCY AMOUNT, DOES THAT INCLUDE THE AMOUNT FOR DISPLACEMENT AND RENOVATIONS OR. NO. OR YOU CAN GO BACK AND GRAB THAT. IT DOES NOT. IT DOES NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF THE NEW BUILDING AND AND THE SITE. WILL ABSOLUTELY TRY. YES. WE'LL SEE WHAT WE TOGETHER MAYBE FOR UNREASONABLE.

UNREASONABLE. BUT WE'LL. WE'LL JUST. OKAY. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, GOOD EVENING AGAIN, JASON HUGHES WITH HILLTOP SECURITIES. WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IS A SUMMARY OF A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PIECES OF ANALYZES. OKAY. WHAT YOU SEE UP HERE IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU. SO JUST GIVEN THIS TO YOU, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF NUMBERS ON THERE. THEY'RE FAIRLY SMALL, BUT I'LL GO THROUGH AND IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, I'LL WALK THROUGH THIS FAIRLY QUICKLY. IF YOU CHOOSE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A BOND ELECTION, OBVIOUSLY, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, YOU WOULD HAVE TO CALL THAT BY FEBRUARY 16TH.

THAT WOULD BE FOR MAY. RIGHT. AND SO WHAT STATE LAW BASICALLY SAYS IS AT THE TIME THAT YOU DO THAT ELECTION, YOU PUT THAT OUT TO YOUR CITIZENS. THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE AS FAR AS WHAT YOUR ASSUMPTIONS ARE WITHIN THAT BOND ELECTION, THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR, ANTICIPATED REPAYMENT CYCLE OR TERM, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO LET ME JUST WALK THROUGH HERE. I WANT TO GO THROUGH SOME OF THESE ASSUMPTIONS. SO IF YOU SEE THERE ARE TAXABLE ASSESSED VALUE RIGHT NOW YOUR TAXABLE ASSESSED VALUE IS ABOUT $4 BILLION. WHAT IS ASSUMED HERE IS A 3% GROWTH RATE FOR TEN YEARS AND THEN 0% THEREAFTER.

DON'T WORRY SO MUCH ABOUT THE 0% THEREAFTER. REALLY WHAT WE'RE MOST FOCUSED ON IS THAT 3%, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT'S THE NEAR TERM WHERE WE HAVE THE MOST TAX RATE PRESSURE. WHAT I DID HERE IS THEY WENT THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION PERIOD IS RELATIVELY SHORT. IT'S ONLY ABOUT 24 MONTHS. AND SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS WE CAN ONLY FINANCE, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY FOR THAT TIME PERIOD. AND SO WHAT'S ASSUMED IS IF YOU HAVE A BOND ELECTION, THAT YOU WOULD HAVE A LATE SUMMER 2026 ISSUE ARBITRARILY, I PICKED 60% OF THE TOTAL COST WOULD BE FINANCED IN 2026, 40% WOULD BE FINANCED IN 27. OKAY, TWO SEPARATE BOND ISSUES. WHAT'S ASSUMED IS CURRENT MARKET RATES PLUS ONE HALF OF 1%, I.E. IT'S CONSERVATIVE RIGHT NOW, KIND OF GOES BACK TO THE QUESTION WHAT HAPPENS IN THE FUTURE? BUT RIGHT NOW THAT'S CONSERVATIVE.

I THINK THOSE VALUES, HISTORICALLY SPEAKING, ARE VERY CONSERVATIVE TO. SO YOU SEE HERE THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT SCENARIOS HERE. 20 YEAR REPAYMENT IS IN THE DARK BLUE.

AND THAT'S COLUMNS E THROUGH H. AND THEN IN THE LIGHT BLUE IS A 25 YEAR REPAYMENT 25 YEARS. BY TAKING IT LONGER WE HAVE A LONG TERM ASSET. THAT MEANS THAT OUR PAYMENTS, GENERALLY SPEAKING ARE LOWER. IT'S THE LESS TAX RATE IMPACT, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO PAY MORE OVER TIME. SAME CONCEPT IS IF YOU TAKE OUT A 20 YEAR MORTGAGE VERSUS A 30 YEAR MORTGAGE, YOUR MONTHLY PAYMENT WILL BE LOWER ON THE 30 YEAR, BUT YOU'LL PAY MORE INTEREST OVER THAT TIME PERIOD. SAME EXACT CONCEPT. THE REASON THAT WE SEPARATE THIS OUT. IF YOU GO BACK TO YOUR LAST BOND ELECTION BACK IN 2018, WHENEVER WE SOLD BONDS IN 2019, WE HAD ONE SERIES OF BONDS. THAT'S ALL WE SOLD. IT WAS A LOWER AMOUNT, BUT WE WENT AHEAD AND WE SOLD IT. SINCE WE'RE BREAKING UP

[02:35:01]

SO THAT IS AGAIN, 64, ROUGHLY 64.5 MILLION 20 YEAR, 25 YEAR. IF YOU'LL GO FORWARD TO THE NEXT OR JUST OKAY. ONE THING WE ALSO DID AND REALLY JUST PROVIDE A SCENARIO TO THIS IS FINANCING. 50 MILLION IS JUST TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT. IF YOU RECALL BACK IN, I THINK IT WAS FIRST OR SECOND WEEK OF DECEMBER WHENEVER YOU HAD YOUR RETREAT, WE TALKED ABOUT 25 MILLION. SO AGAIN, NOT TRYING TO STEER TOWARDS A CERTAIN AMOUNT, BUT JUST TRYING TO PROVIDE THAT CONTEXT THAT WE HAD 25 MILLION, 50 MILLION. AND THEN AGAIN, TYING BACK TO THE SCENARIO TONIGHT, SAME EXACT STRUCTURE. SO LET ME GO TO THE SUMMARY PAGE. SO THIS GOES THROUGH AGAIN SCENARIO ONE 64.5 MILLION. JUST UNDER THAT 20 YEARS OR 25 YEARS THERE'S YOUR TAX RATE. AND THEN ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I APOLOGIZE I FORGET WHO ASKED IT. WHAT DOES THIS MEAN TO A CITIZEN. RIGHT. SO WE HAVE SOME DIFFERENT SELECT NET HOME VALUES. SO THIS WOULD BE THE TAXABLE VALUE OF THE HOME AFTER ALL OF WHETHER IT'S A HOMESTEAD DISABLED VET WHAT HAVE YOU. SO THIS WOULD BE WHAT A HOMEOWNER WOULD PAY TAXES ON. SO ANYWHERE FROM 200,000 300,000 400,000, THE AVERAGE HOME VALUE, THE NUMBER I HAD WAS ABOUT 263,000. AND SO IT PROVIDES SOME CONTEXT HERE. THERE'S YOUR ANNUAL INCREASE. SO IF YOU HAVE THE AVERAGE LET'S JUST GO TO THAT ABOUT $225 ANNUALLY THAT YOU WOULD PAY OVER AND ABOVE WHAT YOU PAY NOW. BUT IF YOU BREAK THAT DOWN TO MONTHLY, THAT'S LESS THAN WHAT YOU PAID FOR PIZZA HUT PIZZA TYPICALLY. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TRY AND SHOW, AND ESPECIALLY WORKING WITH THE ARCHITECT AND THAT TEAM PROVIDE THOSE NUMBERS TO THEM, BECAUSE THAT'S ULTIMATELY WHAT YOUR CITIZENS ARE GOING TO WANT TO KNOW. RIGHT. SO SO AGAIN, I KNOW I WENT THROUGH THAT VERY QUICKLY IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, BUT THAT'S THE INITIAL CERTAINLY, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS AND WE HAVE SOME NUMBERS THAT WERE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT DIFFERENT FROM THIS, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY RUN THOSE NUMBERS, PROVIDE THOSE TO MR. ABERNATHY, MR. RAUSCHER, MR. JACKSON. SO QUESTIONS. DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YES, SIR. TO BONDS. WHAT WHAT IS THE STATE LEGISLATURE HAVE NOW THAT IN TERMS OF BONDS, WHAT'S THE REQUIREMENTS? WHAT? I MEAN, I KNOW THEY'LL SAY IT'S A TAX, BUT WHAT ELSE IS THERE AS WELL. SO. RIGHT. SO WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO IS YOU WOULD HAVE TO COUNCIL PASS A BOND ELECTION ORDINANCE. AND THERE'S DIFFERENT THINGS IN THERE. AMONG OTHERS. IT CONTAINS THE AMOUNT OF THE BOND ELECTION DATE OF THE BOND ELECTION WHERE YOU CAN GO VOTE THINGS OF THAT NATURE. THE OTHER THING, NOW THAT THEY HAVE WITHIN PROBABLY THE LAST TWO LEGISLATIVE SESSIONS, IS THEY ADDED WHAT'S CALLED A BID OR VOTER INFORMATION DOCUMENT. WITHIN THAT, WE HAVE TO PUT WHAT OUR ASSUMPTIONS ARE. SO GOING BACK HERE, WE WOULD TALK ABOUT THE ANTICIPATED TAX RATE. IMPACT IS IT'S $0.11. SO THAT GOES UP. I THINK THAT WAS ROUGHLY WHAT SEVEN AND A HALF CENTS. IT'S BASED OFF OF THESE 3% TAX VALUE GROWTH. THAT'S BASED OFF OF 2025 YEAR REPAYMENT. IT'S BASED OFF OF TWO ISSUES. ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE PUT IN THERE THAT ARE REQUIRED NOW TO HELP VOTERS MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE ASKING THEM TO VOTE ON. SO WHAT'S NEEDED OF US TONIGHT? WELL, THIS IS JUST ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, BECAUSE THIS CAN BE IMPORTANT FOR ALL OF US AND FOR THE TEAM THAT PUT THE PRESENTATION TOGETHER TO BE PREPARED TO ANSWER THESE

[02:40:01]

OKAY. AND THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION IS, LIKE I SAID, Y'ALL ASKED EARLIER, WOULD THIS PREVENT US FROM DOING ANY STUFF? THE ANSWER IS PROBABLY YES. ON OUR CIP. WE'D HAVE TO REALLY GO BACK, AND IT WOULD BE SEVERAL YEARS BEFORE YOU COULD DO ANOTHER ANOTHER PROJECT. I MEAN, THE SERVICE CENTER ARMY. THOSE ARE SEPARATE. THOSE ARE COSTS PAID BY A DIFFERENT SOURCE. BUT AGAIN, WITH THIS TAX IMPLEMENTATION, YOU WOULD, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD NEED TO BE LOOKED FURTHER. OBVIOUSLY. OBVIOUSLY IT WOULD BE A SEPARATE CONVERSATION BECAUSE THIS IS A NEEDS ASSESSMENT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT. BUT IT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE'D HAVE TO REALLY GO ANALYZE AND GO, OKAY, WHAT ARE WE WHAT ARE WE PUSHING BACK. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE I HEARD CORRECTLY THIS IS NOT JEOPARDIZING THE SERVICE CENTER AND ARMY. WE'RE STILL THERE. THE DIRECTION WE GOT FROM COUNCIL IS WE'RE GOING TO GO THE CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION ROUTE, UTILIZE UTILITY FUND DOLLARS. SO YES, BUT IF LIKE FIRE STATION THREE, CITY HALL RENOVATIONS, PARK PROJECTS, THAT STUFF WOULD HAVE TO BE REALLY PUSHED OUT. I CAN'T ANSWER THAT TONIGHT. AND AGAIN, STAYING WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THIS, THIS AGENDA ITEM. BUT IT WOULD ALL THAT STUFF REALLY WOULD BE DELAYED FOR, FOR QUITE SOME TIME. JUST AGAIN, WE'LL SUPPORT WHATEVER DECISION YOU ALL MAKE AT THE END OF THE DAY. BUT I GOT TO DO MY JOB AND MAKE SURE Y'ALL ARE AWARE OF THAT. SO, YOU KNOW, SO WHEN I THINK ABOUT OUR OUR WORK PLAN, IT'S LIKE I THINK, OKAY, POLICE STATION THAT WAS VERY HIGH UP THERE. ARMY WAS ON THERE. THE CURRENT BOND PROJECTS SERVICE CENTER, CEDAR RIDGE ROAD. I MEAN, ARE THERE ANY CONSIDERABLE CIP? I MEAN, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THINGS CAN HAPPEN, BUT OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS, I MEAN, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT THINKING ABOUT THAT WE MIGHT THAT THAT WOULD BE IMPACTED BY THIS DECISION, MIGHT BE ABLE TO TELL US WE HAVE A WHOLE LIST OF INFRASTRUCTURE, CIP PROJECTS INTERNALLY THAT WE'RE CONSTANTLY SCHEDULING EVERY YEAR. BUT SIGNIFICANT FACILITY CIP. NOTHING WOULD HAVE TO ISSUE BONDS FOR. I MEAN, WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS ON INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS AND BUT RIGHT NOW THEY'RE JUST DISCUSSIONS. SO BECAUSE I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT ARMY FOR PAST FIVE YEARS, I WOULD IMAGINE IF SOMETHING DID COME UP, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT BE A 4 OR 5 YEAR CONVERSATION. YEAH. I MEAN, I'M NOT I'M NOT I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THE IMPLICATION. I'M NOT OVERLY CONCERNED ABOUT US NOT BEING ABLE TO DO OTHER THINGS. BUT I DO UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN. YEAH. I MEAN, WE SAID WE BRIEFED YOU ON DECEMBER 12TH ON ALL THOSE NEEDS. SO A LOT OF STUFF STREETS, TRAFFIC, TRAFFIC SIGNALS WHICH NEED TO BE REPAIRED. FIRE STATION THREE, THE CHARLES LADD NATURE PRESERVE, ALL THAT STUFF WOULD HAVE TO BE I THINK WE HAD THEM IN THE NEXT TWO, THREE YEARS. AGAIN, WE'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND REALLY DO AN IN-DEPTH ANALYSIS, COME BACK TO YOU ALL AND SAY, HEY, HERE'S WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE AGAIN. ALSO, JUST STAYING WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THIS, THIS AGENDA ITEM. BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK AND TELL Y'ALL THIS IS WHAT THE THE NEW CIP SCHEDULE WOULD LOOK LIKE. SO I'LL GO BACK TO WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY IS THAT I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE COMFORTABLE ALREADY AT THIS POINT TO AT LEAST LET THEM KNOW WHAT OPTION WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH SO THAT THEY CAN START GETTING MORE INFORMATION BASED ON THAT OPTION. WELL, I'VE HEARD AT LEAST THREE DAYS. I MEAN, JOE, YOU REFERRED TO D D YOU REFERRED TO D I THINK YOU REFERRED TO D NOT FOR FIVE. I'M

[02:45:04]

OKAY. YES. THIS IS BOB. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU MAY WANT TO HAVE FURTHER INFORMATION IF WE DO DEPART THAT AREA IN ARMSTRONG PARK, WHICH IS THAT THE NORTHWEST PART OF THE PROJECT, I WOULD ASSUME THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO MOVE THAT PATHWAY FOR THAT TRAIL BACK INTO THE PARK AND RECONFIGURE THAT OR MAKE THAT CONNECTIVITY. SO SOMEONE MAY WANT TO FIGURE OUT WHETHER THAT'S PART OF THAT PROJECT AS WELL. I KNOW IT'S A VERY MINUTE PART, BUT IT'S STILL PART OF THAT PROJECT TO RECONNECT WHAT IS LOST. AND ALL OF AND. YEAH, AND WE DON'T HAVE TO DISCUSS IT NOW. THANK YOU. WE DON'T HAVE TO DISCUSS IT NOW, BUT. NO, YOU DON'T HAVE TONIGHT.

BUT IT IT IS A COST TO RECONNECT THAT PART. AND IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S A VERY SMALL PART, BUT IT'S STILL A PART. NO, BUT ON THE CHANCE THAT THAT THAT PART OF THE BOND FAILED, THEN THERE'S A WHOLE NEW REGROUP. AND THAT WOULD HAVE TO OCCUR BECAUSE. WHAT DO YOU MIND? I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD AFFECT YOUR BUILDING ITSELF, BUT IT WOULD AFFECT. YEAH. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. WELL, WE GONE OVER LONGER, BUT IT'S BEEN A GOOD, GOOD DISCUSSION. THANK YOU ALL.

THANK YOU. SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT THAT YOU ALL NEED FROM US FOR CLARITY ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT, GET IN TOUCH WITH CITY MANAGER AND WE'LL TRY TO MAKE SURE WE GET CLEAR ANSWERS BACK TO YOU. OTHERWISE THANK YOU. YEAH, YEAH. SAME IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BETWEEN NOW AND THEN. I MEAN WE'LL CERTAINLY WORK WITH CITY MANAGEMENT ON PULLING YOU ALL CITY SECRETARY ON WHEN'S A GOOD DATE TO MEET. OBVIOUSLY PRIOR TO THE FEBRUARY DEADLINE. AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE EVERYTHING THAT YOU GUYS HAVE ASKED FOR. SO IF THERE IS ANYTHING THAT COMES UP, PLEASE REACH OUT TO THE CITY, TO US.

YES. DID YOU GET A COPY OF THIS? SO THAT WAY YOU HAVE A COPY. OKAY. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. I DO NOT HAVE THAT DOCUMENT. SO WE GOT ELECTRONIC COPY. ANOTHER COMMENT AS WELL TOO, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY IT'S GOING TO FALL ON THE VOTERS DECISION. THAT'S RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHERE AS MUCH INFORMATION THAT CAN BE PROVIDED CAN SUPPORT AND STUFF. YOU KNOW THIS IS WHAT I'M GETTING INTO. THAT'S WHAT WE NEED. YEAH. SO I'LL I'LL DO MY BEST TO HAVE OUR COMPANY, OUR MARKETING FIRM, PROVIDE US WITH COPIES OF SOME OF THE THE LITERATURE, THE EDUCATIONAL PIECES TO HAND TO GIVE YOU GUYS WORKING ON A VERY SHORT COUPLE OF WEEKS. BUT I'LL DO EVERYTHING I CAN. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. CAN WE GET A YEAH. NO. OKAY. WE HAVE

[EXECUTIVE SESSION (Part 1 of 2)]

[CALL TO ORDER]

[02:50:15]

ALRIGHT, PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE TO THE FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE, TEXAS. ONE STATE WITH GOD. ONE. MAY BE SEATED. THANK YOU. OKAY. FIRST

[ 4.A. Mayor's Report]

THIS WAS SERIOUS BUSINESS. A LOT OF AWARDS WERE HANDED OUT, A LOT OF RECOGNITION. I WANT TO THANK ALEX AND FRANCISCO FOR THE MARVELOUS JOB THEY DO ON THE VIDEOS THAT THEY PUT TOGETHER. THIS YEAR WAS ANOTHER OUTSTANDING EXAMPLE OF THE WORK THAT THEY DO. BUT BUT OVERALL, IT WAS JUST A REAL. WHEN YOU LOOK OUT IN THE AUDIENCE AND YOU SEE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE, THEY'RE FROM ALL THE ASPECTS OF OUR COMMUNITY. THEY'RE THERE FROM THEIR BUSINESS OWNERS, FRIENDS, NEIGHBORS, A LOT OF COUNCIL, COUNCIL MEMBERS, OF COURSE, WERE THERE. THE. JUST THE CITIZEN INVOLVEMENT WAS WAS SPECTACULAR. SO I WANT TO THANK THE CHAMBER FOR PUTTING ON SUCH A GREAT UNIFYING EVENT. AND I THINK IT WAS JUST VERY WELL

[4.B. Councilmembers' Report ]

CITY OF DUNCANVILLE I RECEIVED AN EMAIL ABOUT TWO EMPLOYEES THAT I WAS GOING TO SPEAK HIGHLY OF TONIGHT, AND WHEN I RECEIVED THE EMAIL, IT WAS JUST CONFIRMATION. SO I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE FRANCISCO FOR. SO IF YOU KNOW FRANCISCO, HE'S BEEN. HE'S VERY QUIET.

FRANCISCO DOESN'T SAY MUCH, BUT LATELY I HAVE NOTICED THAT FRANCISCO IS REALLY STEPPING OUT. GET INVOLVED. HE'S ALWAYS BEEN INVOLVED, BUT REALLY, HE'S LEADING A LIAISON STAFF LIAISON FOR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, DOING A GREAT JOB THERE. AND HE'S ALWAYS THE MAN BEHIND THE CAMERA. HE DOESN'T SAY MUCH, BUT HE DOES A LOT. AND QUIET SPIRIT. AND SO FRANCISCO, THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR WORK. THANK YOU FOR BEING EASY TO WORK WITH. AND I KNOW IT'S KIND OF

[02:55:03]

[4.C. City Manager's Report ]

SO OUR CURRENT FORECAST CALL FOR FREEZING WEATHER STARTING THIS FRIDAY WITH A WINTER MIX COMING IN AND FRIDAY AFTERNOON MOVING THROUGH SATURDAY. AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE TEMPERATURE IS SUPPOSED TO REMAIN BELOW ZERO UNTIL TUESDAY MORNING AROUND 11 A.M. SO IN INTERNALLY, WE'VE BEEN WORKING AND MONITORING THE SITUATION AND HAVING OUR OUR DISCUSSIONS ON POSSIBLE CLOSURES OF CITY FACILITIES. WE WILL CONTINUE TO MONITOR THAT OVER THE NEXT DAY DAYS, AND WE'LL NOTIFY THE PUBLIC AS WELL AS CITY COUNCIL. WE WILL, IF NEED BE, HAVE A WARMING CENTER AT THE RECREATION CENTER. AGAIN, IT WOULD BE A WARMING CENTER ONLY IT WOULDN'T BE FOR OVERNIGHT STAY OR REALLY TO UTILIZE THE FACILITY FOR THE RECREATIONAL PURPOSES. JUST SIMPLY A WARMING FACILITY. BUT AGAIN, WE'LL BE PROVIDING THOSE UPDATES TO BOTH THE PUBLIC AND CITY COUNCIL. BUT WE DO ENCOURAGE RESIDENTS TO REALLY FOLLOW US ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND OUR WEBSITE. AND ALSO IF YOU CAN SIGN UP FOR EVERBRIDGE FOR THE EMERGENCY NOTIFICATIONS BY PHONE, IT CAN BE FOUND ON THE FRONT FRONT PAGE OF OUR WEBSITE UNDER SIGN UP FOR EMERGENCY NOTIFICATIONS. SO WE WE DO RECOMMEND THAT. AND AGAIN WE'LL KEEP YOU ALL UPDATED ON THAT WEATHER. AND THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT. THANK YOU. AND JUST DOUBLE CHECKING ON WHAT YOU SAID IS THAT BELOW ZERO OR BELOW FREEZING. BELOW FREEZING I. OKAY. GOTCHA I DON'T KNOW WHY I SAID THAT. I MEANT BELOW 32. MY APOLOGIES COUNCIL. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

WE HAVE NO PROCLAMATIONS OR PRESENTATIONS THIS EVENING. AND SO WE'LL MOVE INTO CITIZENS

[ 6. CITIZENS' INPUT]

YOU'VE ALREADY MADE A DECISION ON WHERE YOU'RE MOVING, WHAT YOU'RE DOING. YOU DON'T NEED TO RECONVENE THAT COMMITTEE. OUR CHARGE ON THE BOND COMMITTEE WAS TO EVALUATE, LIKE, 12 DIFFERENT PROJECTS AND DECIDE WHICH ONES THE CITY SHOULD EMBARK ON. THAT DECISION WAS MADE SERVICE CENTER AND THE POLICE STATION. SO YOU DON'T NEED TO RECONVENE THE BOND

[03:00:02]

THE CITIZENS IN TERMS OF TRANSPARENCY, WHEN YOU USE THAT WORD A LOT, THE CITIZENS KNOW WHAT THE NET NET DEBT IS TO THE CITY, AND IT NEEDS EVERYTHING TO BE IN THERE. IN TERMS OF TRANSPARENCY, HOW CAN YOU, AS A CITY COUNCIL, COMMUNICATE TO THE CITIZENS OF THIS CITY THE NET NET STICKER SHOCK OF THIS NET DEBT IS GOING TO BE IN MY HISTORY WITH THE CITY. MIGHT GO BACK, SOMEBODY MIGHT FIND IT. THIS CITY HAS NEVER INCURRED THIS AMOUNT OF DEBT BEFORE. SO THERE'S STICKER SHOCK AND THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME TRANSPARENCY. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE TOWN HALLS? I'M SURE I'LL SEND AN EMAIL AND LET YOU KNOW THE REST OF MY THOUGHTS. THANK YOU. MR. JIM JONES. GO FIGURE. HELLO, MAYOR. COUNCIL JIM JONES, 1627 NOB HILL CIRCLE A LOT TO SAY.

YOU HAVE A LOT ON YOUR PLATE. AND YOU KNOW NOW THAT IT'S CERTAINLY LONELY AT THE TOP.

AND REGARDING THE COMMENT THAT WAS JUST PREVIOUSLY MADE, I'VE BEEN ALSO FOLLOWING THE PROPOSED BOND. IT'S CLEARLY A FINANCIAL AND EMOTIONAL ISSUE FOR THE CITY, FOR THE COUNCIL, FOR THE FOR THE CITIZENS OF DUNCANVILLE. REGARDING THE LAD, IT'S BEEN OVER FIVE YEARS SINCE THE LAD EFFORT BEGAN. IT'S BEEN TWO AND A HALF YEARS SINCE THE LAD PRESERVED CREATION. IT WAS AND IS A BIG DEAL SINCE JULY OF 2023. IN ADDITION TO THE SOLID ENVIRONMENTAL WORK DONE BY THE MASTER NATURALIST ON THE GROUND, ROUGHLY THE MASTER PLAN HAS BEEN CREATED, A CABLE PARKING LOT HAS BEEN INSTALLED, AND A DONATED SIGN HAS BEEN INSTALLED. IN THE LAST TWO AND A HALF YEARS, BONDS NATIONWIDE THAT INCLUDE PRESERVES AND GREEN SPACE PASS AT ROUGHLY A 55% TO 69% LEVEL AND THEORETICALLY A STATISTICALLY HIGHER THAN WITHOUT A GREEN SPACE OR BOND PROVISION. SO QUICKLY, IT MIGHT BE SAFE TO SAY THAT THE CITIZEN ENGAGEMENT ON THE LAD WAS, AND IS AMONG THE HIGHEST CITIZEN ENGAGEMENT IN THE CITY OF DUNCANVILLE IN RECENT HISTORY.

IF YOU WERE TO INCLUDE 1 OR $2 MILLION, AND I UNDERSTAND THE VOLUMES AND ALL THE PROJECTS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH PROPOSED BONDS ON THE LAD PRESERVE TO EXECUTE THE MASTER PLAN AND WORK ON THE LAD PRESERVE TO IT WILL VERY LIKELY INCREASE THE LIKELIHOOD OF PASSING THE BOND. PLUS IT WILL LIKELY GENERATE THE DONATION OF A SUBSTANTIAL DONATION AND, IF I UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY, PLUS THE DONATION OF THE OTHER EIGHT ACRES THAT ARE NOT OWNED BY THE CITY, WHICH ALSO INCLUDES THE PARKING LOT AND THE EDUCATIONAL CENTER THAT WILL BE FOR THE NATURE PRESERVE, IF IF IT'S NOT INCLUDED, IT BEGS THE QUESTION WHERE THE FUNDING FOR THE LAD IS GOING TO COME FROM. THAT BEING SAID, NEXT, A LAD STEERING COMMITTEE IS INDEED NEEDED TO CREATE FOCUSED PLANNING, DISCUSSION AND AGREEMENT ON PLANS AND NEEDED WORK AT THE LAD. THE PARKS BOARD. CHEERS. THANK YOU. MISS EMILY BRIDGES. HELLO, EMILY BRIDGES, 408 OLEANDER. I HAVEN'T SEEN YOU IN A WHILE. HAPPY NEW YEAR, BUT I'LL TOUCH ON THE LAST THING THAT JIM WAS SPEAKING ABOUT, WHICH IS THE STEERING COMMITTEE. IT HAS BEEN SINCE 2023 THAT NOT A LOT HAS TAKEN PLACE. AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS BETWEEN THE CONSERVANCY, THE MASTER NATURALISTS, THE PARKS BOARD, AND THEN WITH Y'ALL. AND THERE'S JUST A LOT OF SPINNING WHEELS HAPPENING. SO IN ORDER TO GET THE COMMITTEE TOGETHER, THAT WOULD SAVE EVERYBODY A LOT OF TIME COMING UP HERE, GOING OVER THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND BACK AND FORTH. SO I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN GET THE STEERING

[03:05:02]

[ 7. CONSENT AGENDA]

OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO WE HAVE THAT MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? COUNCILMAN VERACRUZ OKAY. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN VERACRUZ, PLEASE VOTE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO GOING BACK TO A, B AND C, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. WE APPROVE. OKAY. MOTION TO APPROVE ITEMS A, B AND C IN THE CONSENT AGENDA BY COUNCILMAN MCBURNETT. SECOND SECOND BY COUNCILMAN PENNEBAKER.

PLEASE VOTE. THANK YOU. OKAY. ITEM ITEM EIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO HOLD OFF UNTIL AFTER THE MEETING TO HAVE OUR EXECUTIVE SESSION. SO THEREFORE THERE ARE NO ACTIONS TO BE TAKEN AT THIS

[8.B.Nominees for Art and cultural District Steering Committee Chairperson]

SORRY. SO WE ARE HERE AGAIN. I'M SORRY WE'RE HERE AGAIN AS IT RELATES TO THE ARTS AND CULTURAL DISTRICT. SO ACCORDING TO THE RESOLUTION AND THE STRATEGIC PLAN THAT WE OUTLINED EARLIER THIS YEAR, PART OF OR EXCUSE ME, LAST YEAR WAS 2026, THE RESOLUTION CALLS FOR THE COUNCIL TO ACTUALLY APPOINT A CHAIR OF THE STEERING COMMITTEE, AND THEN THE STEERING COMMITTEE CHAIR WILL DEVELOP, PUT THE GROUP TOGETHER AND THEN CREATE THE SUBCOMMITTEES IN. IN DOING THAT, WE DON'T HAVE ANY NOMINATIONS. SO TONIGHT'S ACTUALLY IS NOT THE APPOINTMENT I APOLOGIZE FOR FOR THAT LANGUAGE THERE. IT'S ALSO MISSPELLED. WE ARE LOOKING FOR NOMINEES FOR THE APPOINTMENT OF THE CHAIRPERSON OF THE STEERING COMMITTEE. SO THERE'S REALLY NOT MUCH ELSE TO DISCUSS IN TERMS OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, UNLESS YOU ALL HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS. WE'RE LOOKING FOR YOUR NOMINATIONS AND HOW YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD IN THE PROCESS. AND APPOINTING THAT INDIVIDUAL. MAYOR. SO WE'RE WE'RE PROVIDING NAMES OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE STEERING COMMITTEE. SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN THERE ARE THREE NAMES I WOULD LIKE TO PUT FORTH. OR DO YOU NEED TO MAKE A MOTION OR ANYTHING BEFORE WE GET STARTED? NO, I'D LIKE TO HEAR THE NAMES, BUT EXCUSE ME, ARE WE CERTAIN THAT THE PEOPLE THAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO NAME ARE INTERESTED IN BEING NOMINATED? YES, I VERIFIED OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

WELL, LET'S GO AHEAD AND HEAR YOUR NOMINATIONS. SO I WILL BEGIN WITH RON THOMPSON. I WOULD BEGIN ALSO AT ANGELA THORPE HARRIS. OR ANGEL DEAL IF THE CITY MANAGER WOULD APPROVE.

AND THE REASON WHY I SAY ANGEL DEAL. BECAUSE THIS THIS CHAIR WOULD NEED A COMPONENT TO BE ABLE TO WORK INSIDE, INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL, WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE ACCESS TO SCHEDULES TO

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HAVE YOU COMPLETED YOUR RESEARCH? YES. IT IS LISTED IN THE RESOLUTION THAT WE PASSED.

THE CITY COUNCIL SHALL APPOINT A CHAIR. THE CHAIR SHALL OVERSEE THE ORGANIZATION OF SUBCOMMITTEES AND COORDINATE THE WORK OF THE STEERING COMMITTEE. SO WHAT WE'RE ESSENTIALLY DOING IS SELECTING THE CHAIR. AND THE CHAIR WOULD PUT THE COMMITTEE TOGETHER. I KNOW THAT THE CONCERN IS THAT WE NORMALLY PICK THE ENTIRE BOARD, BUT THIS IS A UNIQUE COMMITTEE. THIS ISN'T LIKE THE NORMAL BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT WE WOULD NORMALLY PUT TOGETHER. THIS WOULD TAKE CERTAIN EXPERTISE. AND IT'S ALSO, I BELIEVE, PATTERNED AFTER TCA'S TEXAS COMMISSION OF ARTS RECOMMENDATIONS. SO THIS IS A KIND OF A DIFFERENT SUBCOMMITTEE AND DIFFERENT STEERING COMMITTEE AS IT RELATES TO HOW WE NORMALLY DO THINGS. SO THAT'S JUST TO BE CLEAR. THERE'S THERE'S STEERING COMMITTEE REALLY HAS NO DIRECT CONNECTION WITH THE ARTS COMMISSION. IS THAT CORRECT? THE STEERING COMMITTEE, THE ARTS COMMISSION IS ORGANIZED TO FUND ARTS PROJECTS AND TO. THEIR MISSION IS TO PROMOTE AND GROW THE ARTS HERE BY FUNDING THE ARTS HERE IN DUNCANVILLE. THEY JUST BROUGHT THIS TO OUR ATTENTION AND SUGGESTED IT, BUT IT NO, IT REALLY WOULDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO HAVE A PERSON ON THE STEERING COMMITTEE WHO IS ALSO SERVING ON THE ARTS COMMISSION. YEAH, WELL, I DON'T KNOW THAT I AGREE THAT THAT'S NECESSARILY THE CASE. HOWEVER, I JUST WANT TO ESTABLISH THAT THE STEERING COMMITTEE IS NOT A IT'S NOT A CITY SANCTIONED COMMITTEE, IS IT? THERE WAS A RESOLUTION THAT DID ACTUALLY CREATE IT. IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. SO IF I COULD CHIME IN AGAIN. SO THE SO THE APPROACH IS OR THE RESOLUTION THAT WAS AGREED UPON WAS THE SELECTION PROCESS, THE WAY THAT IT IS THAT YOU ALL WOULD, WOULD NOMINATE AND SELECT THE CHAIR WITH THE STRATEGIC PLAN. I THINK THAT WOULD HAVE GIVEN US A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTEXT. HAD IT NOT BEEN REMOVED FROM THE PACKET, WE'D BE ABLE TO SEE THE DIFFERENT SUBCOMMITTEES. SO I THINK MAYBE THERE'S WHAT MAYBE ISN'T BEING SAID IS HOW WE MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE ARTS COMMISSION AND WHAT THIS STEERING COMMITTEE IS GOING TO DO. SO I WOULD LIKEN IT TO WHEN WE ADOPTED OR PRE-PREPARED FOR OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WE HAD A STEERING COMMITTEE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MET THE MILESTONES FOR THE PLAN TO CREATE THAT, TO FINISH THAT PROJECT. SO IF WE

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THERE WILL BE OTHER SUBCOMMITTEES, AND THERE'LL BE A CHAIR OF EACH OF THOSE COMMITTEES AS WELL. OKAY. MR. KOONTZ, DID YOU AGREE WITH THE FINAL ASSESSMENT ON THE QUESTION THAT YOU ASKED EARLIER ABOUT WHETHER THE COMMITTEE SHOULD SELECT THE THE CHAIR OR WHETHER IT'S US? I MEAN, IT'S JUST THAT'S JUST ME SPEAKING. I STILL FEEL LIKE THE COMMITTEE SHOULD SELECT THEIR OWN CHAIR, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT'S IN THE RESOLUTION MAYBE IS DETERMINING WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO. SO. IF WE HAVE TO, IF WE'RE IF WE'RE BOUND BY THE RESOLUTION. SO THE QUESTION THAT I WOULD ASK IN ADDITION TO THAT COMMENT, MAYOR, IS IF WHICHEVER APPROACH WE TAKE, IF WE TAKE THIS APPROACH, COUNCIL MEMBER KOONTZ, WHAT ACTIONS WOULD YOU ALL LIKE US TO TAKE WITH REGARD TO THE NOMINEES, GAUGE THEIR INTERESTS, DO THAT PRELIMINARY WORK SO THAT YOU COULD COME BACK AND MAKE THAT SELECTION. OR IF WE TAKE THE OTHER, WOULD YOU ALL LIKE TO THEN TABLE THIS, SEND US NAMES OF WHO THE COMMITTEE WOULD BE, AND THEN GIVE THAT INSTRUCTION TO THE COMMITTEE THAT THEY CAN SELECT THEIR OWN CHAIR. TWO OKAY, THAT THAT WOULD BE MY MY STANDPOINT JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT ALL THE INFORMATION FOR YOU. AND I KNOW WE WERE TRYING TO MOVE THIS FORWARD JUST TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE WE KNOW IT'S A IT'S A CRITICAL TOPIC. AND BUT THAT MAY BE HELPFUL OKAY MISS GOODEN THANK YOU MAYOR. SO CITY ATTORNEY, WOULD WE NEED TO CHANGE THE RESOLUTION BECAUSE THE RESOLUTION STATES THE ROLE OF THE STEERING COMMITTEE AND IT STATES THE ROLE OF THE CHAIR AND ALL OF THE DIFFERENT MILESTONES THAT THEY SHOULD BE HITTING. SO WITH THIS NEED TO CHANGE, THE ONE FROM 2025 IN FEBRUARY AND START FROM SCRATCH, I WOULD SAY YES. IF Y'ALL ARE DECIDING ON A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT IF Y'ALL HAPPEN TO DECIDE ON A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT APPROACH TO THIS. SO THAT WOULD FURTHER DELAY THE STEERING COMMITTEE BEING DEVELOPED. IF WE HAVE TO GO AGAINST WHAT WE VOTED ON IN FEBRUARY, AND I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO GO, THE DIRECTION THAT THE COUNCIL MAJORITY VOTES ON MAKES SENSE. BUT HERE WE ARE IN 2020 6TH JANUARY OF 2026, DISCUSSING JUST SELECTING A PERSON TO START THE STEERING COMMITTEE AND GET THE ACTIVATION NEEDED FOR THE CULTURAL DISTRICT. I WOULD JUST CAUTION US IN ADDITIONAL DELAYS. THAT'S IT. WELL, AND I WOULD NOT ARGUE, BUT I WOULD CONTEND THAT THE THE WAY THIS IS PRESENTED TO US RIGHT HERE, NOMINEES FOR ART AND CULTURAL DISTRICT STEERING COMMITTEE CHAIRPERSON. THAT'S THERE'S NOT A LOT OF INFORMATION THERE. SO WE JUST WE WE START THROWING OUT NAMES AND GRANTED THESE ARE THESE ARE APPROPRIATE NAMES THAT WE'RE HEARING. BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THIS TO VOTE ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS SHOULD COME AT US FROM A DIFFERENT ANGLE THAT WE'RE MORE ACCUSTOMED TO THAN PICKING OUT PEOPLE, MOST OF WHICH ARE HERE IN THE AUDIENCE AND ALL QUALIFIED. BUT IT PUTS US ON THE SPOT TO DO A VOTE LIKE THIS. I'M NOT SURE THAT I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT PROCESS.

I, I DON'T WANT TO DELAY IT UNNECESSARILY. BUT, MR. KOONTZ, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEAS? WHAT? IT WOULDN'T BE A MAJOR.

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CREATION OF STEERING COMMITTEE. THE CITY OF DUNCANVILLE HEREBY ESTABLISHES THE CULTURAL DISTRICT STEERING COMMITTEE TO OVERSEE THE DEVELOPMENT AND IMPLEMENTATION OF THE CULTURAL DISTRICT IN ACCORDANCE WITH STRUCTURAL RECOMMENDED BY THE TEXAS COMMISSION ON THE ARTS.

NAME AND BOUNDARIES OF THE CULTURAL DISTRICT. THEN WE GO TO MEMBERSHIP AND APPOINTMENTS, AND THAT IS THE STEERING COMMITTEE SHALL CONSIST OF REPRESENTATIVES OF THE CITY BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, CITY STAFF, MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL, LOCAL BUSINESSES, PROPERTY DEVELOPERS, STATE REPRESENTATIVES, COMMUNITY MEMBERS. THE CITY COUNCIL SHALL APPOINT A CHAIR.

THE CHAIR SHALL OVERSEE THE ORGANIZATION OF THE SUBCOMMITTEES AND COORDINATE THE WORK OF THE STEERING COMMITTEE. THEN AND THEN IT GOES INTO COMMITTEE RESPONSIBILITIES AS FAR AS THE ORGANIZATION COMMITTEE, MARKETING COMMITTEE, CULTURAL RESOURCE. SO THERE ARE GOING TO BE A DIFFERENT VARIETY OF SUBCOMMITTEES. LET ME ASK YOU TO BACK UP, BECAUSE ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS ON THERE WAS THAT WE WE NAMED A COMMITTEE, CORRECT. NAME AND BALANCED NAME AND BOUNDARIES OF THE CULTURAL DISTRICT, CREATION OF A STEERING COMMITTEE. THAT'S SECTION ONE. SECTION ONE SAYS WE NEED TO CREATE A STEERING COMMITTEE, WHICH WE HAVEN'T DONE YET. THE CITY OF DUNCANVILLE HEREBY ESTABLISHES CULTURAL DISTRICT STEERING COMMITTEE TO OVERSEE DEVELOPMENT. IMPLEMENTATION OF CULTURAL DISTRICT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE STRUCTURE RECOMMENDED BY TEXAS COMMISSION ON THE ARTS.

OKAY, BUT YOU JUST READ THAT WE ARE TO FORM A A COMMITTEE, SECTION ONE, CREATION OF A STEERING COMMITTEE. AND THEN THE DEFINITION, OKAY, IS WHAT I JUST DID FOLLOWING THAT, AFTER WE'VE FORMED THE COMMITTEE. WE THEN VOTE FROM THAT COMMITTEE ON WHO WE WOULD WANT TO BE THE CHAIRPERSON. YES. SECTION TWO IS NAME AND BOUNDARIES OF THE CULTURAL DISTRICT, WHICH WE'VE DONE THAT NOW AS MEMBERSHIP AND APPOINTMENTS, THE STEERING COMMITTEE SHALL CONSIST OF, AND IT GOES INTO THE DESCRIPTION OF ALL THE DIFFERENT PEOPLE. THAT SHOULD BE A PART OF THE STEERING COMMITTEE. YEAH. AND THEN THE NEXT BULLET IS COUNCIL APPOINTS A CHAIR. YES, SIR.

OKAY. WELL, I DON'T WANT TO PULL A COLUMBO HERE, BUT I THINK I'VE GOT YOU ON THE ORDER IN WHICH THE COLUMBUS COLUMBO ON YOU THAT I THINK WE HAVE TO APPOINT THE THE COMMITTEE.

COUNCIL PITCH IN ON THAT. OTHERS. DON'T BE SHY. SO THEN THAT WOULD TAKE US BACK TO. I'M SORRY, COUNCILWOMAN CHERRY BROWN. MAYOR, CAN WE TABLE THIS COUNCIL? OKAY. IS THAT A MOTION THAT A MOTION TO TABLE THIS UNTIL WE GET IT TOGETHER? MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN CHERRY BROWN. YEAH, THAT MOTION. SO THAT WE CAN MAKE APPOINTMENTS. OKAY. AND WE SHOULD HAVE A DATE.

CERTAIN. CORRECT. OKAY. SO DO YOU WANT TO AMEND YOUR MOTION? YEAH, WHATEVER. SAID HE CAN. WE CAN DO THAT. I'M IN MY MOTION. ALRIGHT. SHE'D LIKE TO AMEND HER MOTION TO INCLUDE COUNCILMAN KOONTZ RECOMMENDATION IN CITY ATTORNEY'S LOOKING FOR A DATE AS WELL. AND THEN YOU'LL GET YOU'LL YOU'LL FILL IN A DATE FOR US. OR DO WE NEED TO STATE ONE NOW IN THE MOTION? I'LL TAKE OFFERS. THIS WE. ON THE 17TH OF FEBRUARY. SO WHAT ARE

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OKAY, SO 17TH WE'RE GOING TO BY THE 17TH WE SHOULD PROVIDE NOMINATIONS FOR THE COMMITTEE.

OKAY. I PERSONALLY THINK WE COULD PROVIDE THOSE NAMES SOONER, BUT THEY'RE SAYING THAT'S THE NEXT AVAILABLE COUNCIL DATE. OR IS THAT JUST A DATE? WE CAN JUST YEAH, JUST SEND NAMES. SO OKAY. BUT BY THE 17TH OF FEBRUARY, WELL, WE WE WE POST THE AGENDA FOR THE 17TH ON THE 10TH OF FEBRUARY. SO WE REALLY NEED THE NAMES HERE AND AT LEAST THE NEXT TWO WEEKS BY, BY FEBRUARY 2ND OR THIRD, SO THAT WE COULD JUST MAKE SURE WE GOT THE AGENDA ITEM TOGETHER AND HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION. SO AS THE, THE, THE COUNCIL MEETING ON THE SECOND, IS IT ALREADY PACKED WHERE WE COULDN'T FIT THIS ITEM IN? AND THEN ALSO, WHY DOES IT SAY NOMINEES FOR ARTS AND CULTURAL DISTRICT STEERING COMMITTEE CHAIRPERSON? BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE ALL GOT STUCK. WE CAN DEFINITELY DO THE THIRD. WE DON'T WE DON'T POST THE THIRD UNTIL THE 27TH. TECHNICALLY, ALL ITEMS ARE DUE IN THE SYSTEM ON THE 20TH, BUT WE CAN MAKE AN EXCEPTION TO THAT AND GET THAT ON THE THIRD. WE WE COULD DO IT IF Y'ALL IF COUNCIL WANTS TO HAVE IT ON THE THIRD, WE COULD STILL DO IT AND AND POST BY NEXT WEEK. WE POST ON THE 27TH. SO YOU NEED YOU NEED THE JANUARY COUNCIL MEMBERS BY WHEN AS SOON AS SORRY AS SOON AS POSSIBLE BY IDEALLY BY THE END OF THIS WEEK. AND THAT'LL GIVE US TIME TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THAT AGENDA ITEM IN THE SYSTEM AND POST IT BY THE 27TH. SO IT HAS TO BE PRETTY QUICKLY. AND HOW MANY MEMBERS? HERE, I GOT IT. SO. AND THE RESOLUTION YOU HAVE JUST SAYS CITY BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, CITY STAFF, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL, LOCAL BUSINESSES, PROPERTY DEVELOPERS. THAT'S ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR. IT DOESN'T HAVE A SPECIFIC NUMBER, BUT IT WAS IN THE PACKET CITY BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. THAT'S ONE CITY STAFF, TWO MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, DEPENDING ON HOW MANY WE WANT TO. SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO SAY THAT WE'RE AT THREE LOCAL BUSINESSES, FOUR PROPERTY DEVELOPERS, FIVE, STATE REPRESENTATIVE, SIX, AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS. WE DETERMINE HOW MANY WE WANT TO PUT ON THERE. SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST AT A REPRESENTATIVE NUMBER OF SEVEN. WELL, SEVEN'S A GOOD NUMBER. OKAY. SO SEVEN NAMES OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. GOT IT. SO WE HAD A MOTION AND DID WE GET A SECOND TO THAT MOTION. WE STILL. SO WE'RE TABLING TO THE MEETING OF FEBRUARY 3RD FEBRUARY 3RD. BUT THE NAMES NEED TO BE PROVIDED BY THE 22ND OF JANUARY. YES. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A SECOND TO MISS CHERRY BROWN'S MOTION? SECOND. OKAY. MISS VERA CRUZ SECOND. MISS CHERRY BROWN'S MOTION. PLEASE VOTE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY, NOW WE MOVE ON

[9.A.Holiday Lights for Post Event Recap]

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OUR THIRD HAD 2770 VIEWS. OUR PARADE HAD 10,130 VIEWS. AND OUR LIVE THAT WAS DURING THE EVENT HAD 3645 VIEWS, TOTALING 25,314 VIEWS ACROSS ALL OF OUR SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS. SO I BELIEVE FRANCISCO'S IDEA WAS A EXTREME HIT, AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT FOR ALL OF OUR EVENTS, JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS. THEN, OF COURSE, WE HAD OUR TREE LIGHTING AND OUR DRONE SHOW. AS A REMINDER, THIS WAS OUR PARADE ROUTE. SO FOR THE PARADE. SO DURING THE HOURS OF 630 TO 730 ON OUR PARADE ROUTE, ON OUR PARADE ROUTE, WHICH IS SEPARATE FROM OUR EVENT MAP, AN EVENT IN A PLACE WHERE I. SO WE HAD 2300 PEOPLE ON THE PARADE ROUTE AND ON THE SIDEWALKS WATCHING. SO THAT INCLUDES OBVIOUSLY THE PEOPLE IN THE PARADE, BUT AS WELL AS THE PEOPLE WATCHING THE PARADE. AND THAT DOES NOT COME INTO THE PARK. SO THAT IS NOT COUNTING THE PEOPLE THAT WERE PHYSICALLY IN THE PARK DURING THE PARADE TIME, JUST SO EVERYONE IS AWARE.

SO, I MEAN, I THINK 20, 2300 PEOPLE IS PRETTY GOOD FOR THE PARADE. WELL, THAT'S PLACER AI, RIGHT? YES, SIR. AND THEY'RE PICKING UP PHONES OF ADULTS. WELL, OF ANYONE WHO HAS A PHONE.

SO IF THERE WERE KIDS THAT DID NOT HAVE PHONES, THEY ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THOSE NUMBERS. WE CAN ASSUME THAT THAT NUMBER IS MUCH HIGHER. YES, SIR. BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF KIDS, THERE WERE A LOT OF KIDS. YES, SOME MAY HAVE HAD PHONES, BUT. RIGHT. BUT OKAY. YES. YEAH. SO THIS IS OUR MAP OF OUR EVENT FOR OUR PERFORMERS. WE HAD WILLIAM MADISON, THE ALL ELEMENTARY SCHOOL CHOIR, THE VILLAGE TECH THEATER, AND THE DUNCANVILLE ISD SPANISH CLUB. SO FOR OUR VENDOR MARKET, WE HAD 23 TOTAL VENDORS. NINE OF THEM WERE FROM DUNCANVILLE. TWO OF THEM WERE FROM THE BEST SOUTHWEST PARADE APPLICANTS. WE HAD 32 TOTAL IN THE PARADE. 21 OF THEM WERE FROM DUNCANVILLE. SIX OF THEM WERE FROM THE BEST SOUTHWEST FOR FOOD TRUCKS. WE HAD 22 TOTAL. FOUR OF THEM WERE FROM DUNCANVILLE, THREE WERE FROM THE BEST SOUTHWEST LOCAL PRESS AND PROMOTION. WE WERE ON THE KIOSKS, OUR TVS HERE IN CITY HALL, POSTERS AND POSTCARDS THAT WERE GIVEN OUT TO LOCAL BUSINESSES, LOCAL MAGAZINES AND NEWS OUTLETS SUCH AS THE RAMBLER SOUTHWEST NOW HAD OUR EVENT POSTED IN THEIR ALL OVER SOCIAL MEDIA, AS WELL AS OUR NEW EVENT SHOW, DUNCANVILLE LIVE EVENT ACTIVITIES. WE HAD PHOTO OPS, VIDEO GAME TRUCKS, DRONE SHOW, THE NERF WAR AREA, MOBILE FOOD VENDORS, MARKETPLACE VENDORS, THE TREE LIGHTING, FACE PAINTERS AND GLITTER TATTOO ARTISTS, THE PETTING ZOO, THE TRACKLESS TRAIN, THE ARTS COMMISSION'S AREA, AND THE BALLOON ARTIST. SO FOR OUR ATTENDANCE FOR HOLIDAY LIGHTS, WE HAD 7.1 THOUSAND DIFFERENT PEOPLE AT THE EVENT. AND AGAIN, THOSE ARE JUST TRACKING THOSE THAT HAVE PHONES. SO WE KNOW THERE WERE A LOT OF CHILDREN. SO I WOULD WAGER TO SAY THAT THAT NUMBER WAS HIGHER, BUT JUST PER PLACER.AI THAT WAS 7.1 THOUSAND PEOPLE IN THE PARK DURING THE ENTIRE EVENT TOTAL. OUR PEAK PARK ATTENDANCE WAS 4.2 THOUSAND AT NINE OR AT SEVEN AND 8 P.M. THERE WAS NO DIFFERENCE, SO NOBODY LEFT BETWEEN 7 AND 8 P.M. SO FOR OUR BUDGET, OUR OVERALL BUDGET FOR THIS EVENT WAS $105,000. OUR REVENUE WAS $7,466. WE HAD $2,025 IN SPONSORSHIPS. OUR OVERALL COST WAS 1000 $101,000, 113, $101,113.04. OUR OVERALL COST TO THE CITY WAS $91,622.04, SO WE WERE UNDER BUDGET. THESE WERE OUR SPONSORS FOR THE EVENT. OBVIOUSLY, THE CITY OF DUNCANVILLE AND THE DCDC. WE HAD METHODIST, CHARLTON, HBL, JAZZ AND JOE'S TOWING, ESG ELECTRICAL, DUNCANVILLE SOCCER ASSOCIATION, RENEWAL BY ANDERSON JONES INC, CUSTOM EMBROIDERY AND MORE. FREEPLAY CHILDREN'S MUSEUM, FREEDOM BY ED MORSE, VILLAGE TECH, THE DUNCANVILLE PUBLIC LIBRARY, HARMONY SCHOOL OF EXCELLENCE AND THE DUNCANVILLE HIGH SCHOOL SPANISH CLUB. AND THEN HERE ARE JUST SOME QUICK PICS FROM THE EVENT. WE DID SEND OUT AN EVENT SURVEY THAT I DID PUT ON FACEBOOK AS WELL, AND THESE WERE SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE GOT. A FEW HEATERS THROUGHOUT THE EVENT WOULD HAVE BEEN GREAT. THIS HAS BEEN THE STRONGEST YEAR I HAVE EVER SEEN IN DUNCANVILLE. THE MUSIC AND PARADE WERE INCREDIBLE. THE CITY'S LIVE STREAM WAS SO WELL DONE AND I ENJOYED WATCHING IT AGAIN FROM THE COMFORT OF MY HOME. THE DRONE SHOW IN THE

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THEY SEEM TO BE VERY DOING, VERY GOOD BUSINESS. AND IT JUST IT JUST KEEPS GETTING BETTER.

SO THANK YOU FOR ALL THE HARD WORK THAT YOU, THE STAFF, PARKS DEPARTMENT AND SO MANY OTHER PEOPLE, ALL THE VOLUNTEERS, POLICE, FIRE LIST GOES ON AND ON. IT REALLY DOES. YEAH, BUT IT TAKES A LOT OF PEOPLE. BUT YOU'VE DONE A GOOD JOB ORGANIZING AND TAKING IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL. I APPRECIATE YOU, MISS GOODEN. THANK YOU MAYOR. SO THERE'S THIS TACO TRUCK THAT'S THERE. WHAT'S THE NAME OF THAT BUSINESS? I CAN'T RECALL IT, BUT THEY SERVE REALLY GOOD TACOS. ARE THEY HERE IN DUNCANVILLE? ANYWHERE? I THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT EL RECON. PROBABLY SO THEY WERE. I DON'T KNOW, THEY'RE KIND OF IN THE BACK, CLOSER TO JAMES COLLINS. LIKE A BLUE TRAILER. OKAY, SO, YEAH, THAT'S EL RECON. I WANT TO SAY THEY ARE, BUT I WOULD HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK. OKAY. OKAY. IF THEY'RE NOT DUNCANVILLE, THEY'RE BEST SOUTHWEST. THEY'RE CLOSE. I JUST DON'T REMEMBER. OFF THE TOP TACOS ARE AMAZING. THEY REALLY ARE. YEAH. PLACER AI. SO THAT GETS ARE WE ABLE TO NARROW PLACER AIS DATA. SO SAY DON'T GO BEYOND THESE BOUNDARIES. IS IT PICKING UP PEOPLE WHO MAY BE OVER AT THE SONIC OR IS IT STRICTLY JUST TO THE PARK? WHAT I HAVE HAD PLACER I CREATE FOR MY EVENTS IS QUITE LITERALLY JUST THE FOOTPRINT OF MY EVENTS. SO YOU'RE ABLE TO NARROW DOWN. YES. IT DOES NOT EXPAND PAST THE LIMITS OF ARMSTRONG PARK AND THE PARKING LOT, THE PARKING LOT FOR WHERE THE FOOD TRUCKS ARE. IT DOES NOT INCLUDE CITY HALLS PARKING LOT. IT JUST INCLUDES THE PARKING LOT WHERE THE FOOD TRUCKS ARE. THAT'S AMAZING. AND AGAIN, FRANCISCO, THANK YOU FOR THE IDEA OF GOING LIVE AND HAVING PEOPLE ABLE TO WATCH IT AT HOME. THAT'S THAT'S A GAME CHANGER THERE. AND THANK YOU TO THE ARTS COMMISSION FOR BEING OUT SERVING THE LITTLE KIDDOS WITH THE ART EXHIBITS AND THE PARTICIPATION OF ARTS AND CRAFTS. SO JOB WELL DONE. THANK YOU DEVIN. WE HAD A GREAT TIME AS ALWAYS. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO WE ARE NOW GOING TO. RECESS OUR REGULAR SESSION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE. OH I GOTTA BACK UP. WE WE DROPPED ONE AND MOVED IT AHEAD. MAYOR WE DID MOVE TO ITEMS B AND C FROM THE. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK AND TO THE ITEMS WE MOVED FROM THE WORK SESSION. FIRST ONE IS ITEM B BRIEFING ON PROPOSED PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT WITH NATIONWIDE SERVICES.

HI. GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL AGAIN. IT'S BEEN A LONG NIGHT. I ASSUME YOU GUYS HAD A CHANCE TO READ THE STAFF REPORT IN YOUR PACKET, SO I'LL TRY TO BE AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE AND THEN LEAVE ENOUGH ROOM FOR QUESTIONS. BUT THIS IS A BRIEFING, RIGHT. SO WE'RE NOT HERE SEEKING ANY ACTION. BUT THIS IS A PROPERTY THAT'S IN THE CITY'S WE'LL CALL THE LAND BANK INVENTORY. RIGHT. IT'S A VACANT PARCEL THAT CITY'S OWNED FOR SEVERAL YEARS. SO I'D LIKE TO START WITH A VICINITY MAP TO SHOW WHERE THAT PARCEL AND GREEN IS LOCATED. SO THINK MERRIFIELD ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, YOU'RE TRAVELING SOUTH DOWN MAIN STREET. YOU'LL SEE THE FOOTPRINT OF WHAT THAT PARCEL IS REPRESENTED. AND YOU ALSO SEE IT'S TUCKED IN BETWEEN TWO PRIVATELY OWNED PROPERTIES. RIGHT. SO I CHANGED THE VIEWPOINT. SO NOW WE'RE LOOKING SOUTH RIGHT. BECAUSE I WANTED TO SHOW THE REFERENCE POINTS OF WHERE THIS PARCEL IS SITUATED.

THESE PHOTOS I TOOK THESE WITH MY PHONE. BUT THIS GIVES YOU A, YOU KNOW, A SNAPSHOT OF

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WE HAVE A AN INCREASE IN VALUE, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, AGAIN, JUST PROBABLY A REFLECTION OF MARKET CONDITIONS, I GUESS. BUT THE TAXABLE VALUE IS STILL ZERO BECAUSE THE CITY OWNS IT. SO WE DON'T COLLECT ANYTHING. WE JUST PAY TO MAINTAIN IT. RIGHT. WE ACQUIRED THIS PROPERTY MORE THAN 20 YEARS AGO. SHERIFF'S DEEDS. SO AT ONE POINT THERE WAS A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING ON IT. IN FACT, I COULD STILL SEE THIS, THIS STEPS THAT LEAD UP TO PROBABLY WHAT USED TO BE A RESIDENCE. NONETHELESS, THE CITY OBTAINED OWNERSHIP BECAUSE WE LIKELY PAY FOR THE DEMOLITION OF THAT PROPERTY AND THE DELINQUENT TAXES. AND WE'VE BEEN LAND BANKING IT EVER SINCE, RIGHT. SO AGAIN, SO LONG AS WE OWN IT. IT'S NOT DEMONSTRATING ANY PRODUCTIVE USE, NO PUBLIC USE, IN FACT, FOR THAT MATTER. RIGHT. AND SO WE APPROACH THE ADJACENT LANDOWNER, RIGHT, TO ASCERTAIN HIS INTEREST, POTENTIALLY IN ACQUIRING THIS PROPERTY. THAT BUSINESS WOULD HAVE TO REPLAT IT. RIGHT. BECAUSE YOU CAN'T JUST GET A PERMIT, SAY, FOR IF YOU WANT TO CONVERT A PARKING LOT. RIGHT. IT'S A SEPARATE PARCEL. THE ZONING DOESN'T ALLOW FOR YOU TO JUST USE IT AS A PARKING LOT. SO WE START TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, NAMELY BECAUSE OF THE CONDITIONS THAT WE KNOW EXIST ON MAIN STREET. RIGHT.

YOU GOT THIS PARKING RIGHT IN FRONT OF A LOT OF THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL AUTO REPAIR SHOPS. THERE MAY HAVE BEEN CONVERSATION BEFORE YOU ABOUT THAT. AND SO THE APPROACH WAS, OKAY, WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CAT SAYS. THE VALUE IS OF THE LAND OF THE DIRT. IS THERE INTEREST IN MAYBE REMEDYING RIGHT, THE PARKING CONDITIONS THAT CURRENTLY EXIST ON MAIN STREET? RIGHT. I SAW A KID WALKING WITH A BACKPACK DOWN THAT STREET, AND HE HAD TO KIND OF STEP OFF THE CURB, A SIDEWALK, TO WALK AROUND THE VEHICLES, TO GET BACK ON THE SIDEWALK INTO THE STREET. SO THIS IS AGAIN CONVERSATION AT THIS POINT. BUT IS THERE INTEREST? WANT TO GET FEEDBACK? AND I TOLD THE BUSINESS OWNER THAT AS MUCH WE WANT TO GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM THIS GROUP TO SEE IF THERE'S INTEREST IN BRINGING THIS PROPERTY BACK TO PRODUCTIVE USE. HE'S PREPARED TO MAKE SOME INVESTMENT, OBVIOUSLY, TO CONSTRUCT A PARKING LOT, BUT ALSO TO MAKE SOME INVESTMENTS TO IMPROVE THE STREETSCAPE IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, MOVE THOSE VEHICLES OFF OF THE FRONT OF MAIN STREET AND DO A LITTLE SMALL PART OF IMPROVING THAT CORRIDOR. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY FOR THE CITY IN TERMS OF THE ECONOMICS, YOU KNOW, IF NOT, WE CAN CONTINUE TO LAND BANK THE PROPERTY. BUT THEN THIS WAS WAS AN EFFORT TO GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM YOU ALL ON WHAT TO DO WITH A SURPLUS PARCEL THAT THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE ANY, ANY PLANS FOR THAT WE'RE AWARE OF. I'VE GOT A LIGHT ON HERE, BUT I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GET MY THOUGHT OUT. I KNOW MR. THREADGILL AND NOT A BAD GUY. HE IS ALLOWED. ILLEGAL PARKING OF HIS VEHICLES ON A VACANT LOT NEXT TO HIM, WHETHER HE HAS PERMISSION FROM THAT PERSON OR NOT IS IRRELEVANT. IT'S NOT LEGAL TO TAKE YOUR BUSINESS VEHICLES AND PARK THEM ON A VACANT LOT. SO IF HE WERE TO BE GIVEN IT, WHETHER HE PAID 15,000 OR 7000 FOR THAT PROPERTY BEHIND HIM, WOULD HE BE PREPARED TO AND WILLING TO? APPROPRIATELY PAVE THAT AREA, TO STORE THOSE VEHICLES, TO GET THEM OFF A MAIN STREET IS A BIG QUESTION, BECAUSE IF HE DOESN'T HAVE THE MONEY OR DOESN'T HAVE THE THE DESIRE TO PAVE BACK THERE TO PARK THOSE VEHICLES, I BELIEVE, AND YOU ALL CAN CHECK. I MAY BE WRONG. I BELIEVE IT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE PAVED. YEAH. SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WILL BE

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SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT CLAUSE AND PROVISIONS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE, YOU KNOW, PARTY TO SUCH AN AGREEMENT. HYPOTHETICALLY, IN ADDITION TO COMPELLING THAT INVESTMENT AND ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT PROVISIONS. SO. THANK YOU, MAYOR. AND I'M RIGHT ALONG THE SAME TRAIN OF THOUGHT. SOUNDS LIKE WE'VE HAD VIOLATIONS THERE WITH THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR.

AND. DO WE SELL THEM THIS? DOES HE IMPROVE THE PROPERTY? DOES HE JUST USE IT FOR MORE PARKING? AND IT DOESN'T MITIGATE THE ISSUE WE HAVE ON THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY. IF THERE IS THERE ANYTHING WHERE WE'RE OBLIGATING HIM TO MAKE SOME CHANGES IN THE THE FRONT, OR ARE WE JUST GIVING HIM MORE PARKING? SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING NOW IS THE CONVERSATION FOR US TO UNDERSTAND HOW TO MOVE FORWARD. RIGHT. THAT'S WHY THIS IS PRESENTED AS A BRIEFING. I WANT THIS FEEDBACK. I WAS HOPEFUL FOR THIS CONVERSATION BECAUSE HE UNDERSTANDS, I MEAN, THIS THIS WILL CALL THIS NODE OF SOUTH MAIN STREET. THERE'S PROBABLY LIKE 5 OR 6 DIFFERENT OWNERS. IF I SHOW YOU THE PARCEL LAYOUT OF THAT STRIP OF MAGNOLIA, I MEAN, YOU GOT PARCELS THAT ARE LANDLOCKED. YEAH. I'M LOOKING AT RIGHT. THAT I MEAN, IT'S IT'S A MESS TO SAY IT LIGHTLY. RIGHT. BUT THERE ARE TOOLS IN THE WAY WE CAN STRUCTURE ANY PURCHASE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WILL COMPEL THE OTHER PARTIES TO DO JUST WHAT IT SAYS. I'M INTERESTED IN THIS FEEDBACK TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE STRUCTURE SUCH AN AGREEMENT. USING THIS FEEDBACK FROM THIS GROUP. THAT'S WHAT I'M MOST CURIOUS ABOUT AND WANT TO SEE, IS THAT THERE'S SOME PERFORMANCE EXPECTATIONS ON HIS SIDE WITH THE SALE OF THE PROPERTY, AND IT PROVIDES HIM A BENEFIT. IT BACKS RIGHT UP. WELL, YOU HAVE TWO RESIDENTIALS THAT IT ABET.

SO YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THE RIGHT FENCING IS IN THERE TO PROTECT THEM. SO AS LONG AS WE'RE ADDRESSING ALL THOSE CONCERNS AND WE CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE EXCESS PARKING IN THE FRONT AND ON UNIMPROVED SURFACES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, I'D, I'D BE IN FAVOR OF IT. BUT WE GOT A LOT OF THINGS TO COVER HERE. THANK YOU. MAYOR, I AGREE WITH WHAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SAID, AND I AM INTERESTED IN SEEING THIS MOVE FORWARD. WE HAVE CODE ENFORCEMENT AND CITY MANAGER. I WOULD ASK THAT CODE ENFORCEMENT ENFORCE THE ORDINANCES ON THE PARKING ON UNIMPROVED SURFACES. WE HAVE TOOLS THAT WE CAN USE. LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET THE ENFORCEMENT GOING ON OR CONTINUED IF THEY ARE ALREADY DOING SO, AND USE WHATEVER OTHER RESOURCES WE HAVE AT OUR DISPOSAL TO CORRECT THIS. THESE VIOLATIONS. ALSO, ONE QUESTION BEFORE I END, WHAT MADE YOU GO TAKE PHOTOS OF THE PROPERTY WITH YOUR PERSONAL PHONE? YEAH, SO I TREATED THIS AS A BUSINESS VISIT. SO AS PART OF OUR BUSINESS RETENTION EFFORTS, I'M GOING TO VISIT DUNCANVILLE AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR SHOP. AND AS PART OF THAT VISIT, I'M GOING TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT OUR PROPERTY BECAUSE WE'RE NEIGHBORS. SO WHILE I WAS OUT THERE, OBVIOUSLY I USUALLY TAKE PHOTOS WHEN I'M DOING BUSINESS VISIT. YEAH. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED THAT DAY. MR. GOLF, I APPRECIATE THAT. WHEN I SAW THE PHOTOS IN THE STAFF REPORT, I THOUGHT, FINALLY SOMEBODY IS PROVIDING US SOME PHOTOS. SO THAT WAY I DON'T ALWAYS HAVE TO DRIVE OUT. AND THEY'RE REAL TIME PHOTOS, RECENT PHOTOS. BECAUSE WHAT WE GET ON GOOGLE EARTH OR SOMETHING IS JUST WHAT THE PROPERTY LOOKED LIKE SOME TIME AGO. AND TO HAVE SOME RECENT PHOTOS IN THE STAFF REPORT, I TRULY APPRECIATE THAT. AND CITY MANAGER, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT MOVING FORWARD. IF I COULD ASK FOR THAT. ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY. AND I MADE. ABSOLUTELY. AND I'VE MADE A NOTE OF THAT FOR SURE. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU MAYOR. SO MOST OF WHAT I WANT TO SAY, I CAN'T SAY BECAUSE WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT CODE AND ZONING AND OTHER THINGS. WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THIS I GUESS OFFER. WHEN

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AND SO MY. FOR ME, AT THIS POINT, THE ONLY CONDITION, ESPECIALLY AT THIS PRICE, LOOKING AT THE ASSESSED VALUE. YOU KNOW, THE ONLY INTEREST THAT I WOULD HAVE IN MOVING FORWARD WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS, IF WE HAD SOME, WE COULD GET SOME KIND OF ARRANGEMENT THAT WOULD SOME CONDITIONS, AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, HOW THE REST OF THE PROPERTY IS BEING USED WHERE THE CARS ARE BEING PARKED. AND SORRY, MR. GOUGH COULD GO BACK TO THE AERIAL, PLEASE, BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S ONLY I THINK YOU SAID POINT ONE ACRES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEAH, BUT THAT THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT EVEN THOUGH IT LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS SMALL, BUT THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT PIECE OF PROPERTY THERE. AND, YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S THERE ARE PROBABLY OTHER OPPORTUNITIES. AGAIN, MY ONLY INTEREST HERE WOULD BE IF THERE WAS SOME CONDITIONS ON CONTROLLING THE PARKING PROBLEM. THAT'S THAT EXISTS THERE ALREADY. SO THANK YOU, MR. MCBURNETT. FIRST, MR. GILL.

YEAH, I WOULD SAY SO. HE'S STILL OPEN AND OPERATING LEGALLY. SO. ALL OF THESE PROPERTIES. AND I GUESS IN WHAT WAY? I MEAN, I THINK I THINK IT CHANGES HIS ABILITY TO PARK VEHICLES CUSTOMERS. RIGHT NOW HE'S HE HAS A SMALL FOOTPRINT. AND AS THE MAYOR AND THE STAFF POINTED OUT, THERE'S SOME OTHER PARKING ACTIVITY THAT'S NOT LEGALLY BEING DONE AND THAT THAT CORRIDOR. SO HIS, HIS, HIS OPINION IS THAT HE'S HE WOULD BE WILLING TO MAKE THE INVESTMENT BECAUSE HE SEES THE BENEFIT AND HE WANTS TO IMPROVE THE FRONT DOOR OF HIS BUILDING.

THIS ALLOWS HIM TO DO THAT. YEAH. LEADING HIM DOWN THE RIGHT.

THANK YOU. YOU'RE GOOD. NO MORE QUESTIONS. THANK YOU Y'ALL. GOOD CONVERSATION. NOW

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SOME WERE CITIZENS, SOME WERE NOT. WHO LED THAT PROCESS. AND WORKING WITH OUR CONSULTANTS ON GETTING THAT TO THE FINISH LINE. SO NOW THAT WE'VE GOT A COMPLETED MASTER PLAN, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION NOW IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S NEXT. AND IT SEEMS TO US AS STAFF THAT THE NEXT LOGICAL STEP IS TO POSSIBLE THE CREATION OF A STEERING COMMITTEE THAT WOULD GUIDE THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOU GUYS AS TO HOW WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY. SO WITH THAT KIND OF SIMILAR TO THE STEERING COMMITTEE, WE HAD TO GUIDE THE PROCESS. WE SEE A VERY SIMILAR TYPE COMMITTEE. SHOULD YOU DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS IDEA THAT WOULD BE MADE UP OF A VERY DIVERSE GROUP OF FOLKS, AND THAT COULD INCLUDE FOLKS FROM OUR MASTER NATURALIST GROUPS, OUR NATURE CONSERVANCY, PERHAPS FOLKS OUTSIDE OF THOSE GROUPS, YOU KNOW, TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE. AND WE DID HAVE A TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE GENTLEMAN WHO WAS PART OF THE STEERING COMMITTEE, VITAL, VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE, AUDUBON SOCIETY LAND TRUST, LOTS OF IDEAS POSSIBLE, PARK BOARD, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND THEN MAYBE EVEN THE FAMILY THEMSELVES. YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE TO GET THEM INVOLVED. THEY OBVIOUSLY STILL HAVE LAND THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DONATE TO THE CITY. AND WHAT BETTER WAY TO GET THEM INVOLVED AND TO HAVE SOMEONE FROM THEIR GROUP SITTING ON THE STEERING COMMITTEE, BEING ON THE INSIDE, SEEING HOW IT OPERATES? SO A COUPLE DIFFERENT OPTIONS HERE.

AGAIN, NO ONE WANTS TO CREATE COMMITTEES JUST TO CREATE COMMITTEES. AND SO I KNOW YOU GUYS ALREADY HAVE A LOT OF GROUPS, BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS WHO REPORT TO YOU DIRECTLY. SO TRYING TO BE CONSCIOUS OF THAT. SO HERE'S SOME OF THE IDEAS. YOU KNOW, CREATING A STANDALONE LAD ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT REPORTS TO YOU GUYS DIRECTLY. THEY WOULD MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOU AS TO HOW WE MOVE FORWARD WITH DEVELOPMENT, POSSIBLY EMPOWER THE PARK BOARD TO ACT AS ADVISORY COMMITTEE. YOU KNOW, THAT PERHAPS LIMITS YOUR DIVERSITY CURRENTLY AS A MAKE UP OF THE BOARD. BUT IF YOU MOVE DOWN TO NUMBER FOUR HERE, PERHAPS YOU EXPAND THE PARK BOARD AND ADD SOME MORE MEMBERS TO CREATE THAT DIVERSITY. NUMBER THREE IS, YOU KNOW, CREATE ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT REPORTS TO THE PARK BOARD. SO SOMEONE WHO AGAIN, THAT DIVERSE GROUP WHO REPORTS DIRECTLY TO THE PARK BOARD AND THE PARK BOARD THEN MAKES RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOU GUYS, THAT JUST TAKES KIND OF YOU GUYS OUT OF HAVING TO HAVE ONE MORE GROUP REPORTING TO YOU DIRECTLY. SO. AND THEN OF COURSE, NO ADVISORY COMMITTEE AT ALL. AND SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHERE WE WANT TO HEAD. SO DO YOU WANT TO ASK THAT QUESTION FIRST. IS THIS THE DIRECTION YOU WANT TO GO IN. AND THEN IF YOU DO WANT TO CREATE A STEERING COMMITTEE, WE'D LOVE TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON HOW YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CREATION OF WHAT THAT COMMITTEE LOOKS LIKE AND WHO IT REPORTS TO. AND THEN WITH THAT INFORMATION WE RECEIVED TONIGHT, WE WOULD TAKE THEN TAKE THAT INFORMATION AND CREATE AN ORDINANCE FOR HOPEFULLY THE SECOND MEETING IN FEBRUARY FOR YOU TO TAKE ACTION ON, ON THE CREATION OF THAT SUBCOMMITTEE OR THAT SORRY, THAT STEERING COMMITTEE. SO SO WITH THAT, I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. AND AGAIN, I'M OPEN TO YOUR SUGGESTIONS AND FEEDBACK AS TO HOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS IDEA. MR. KOONTZ.

ALL THE ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND PROPOSALS AND EVERYTHING THAT'S BEING DONE. AND WE DO HAVE THE TEXAS MASTER NATURALISTS WHO ARE.

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PLANNING COMPONENT, I THINK SOMEONE FROM.

HOW WOULD WE EXPLAIN IN A FEW WORDS WHAT THE THE VISION OR THE MISSION OF THIS COMMITTEE WOULD BE? IN OUR MINDS? I THINK IT WOULD BE A COMMITTEE THAT WOULD AGAIN TAKE THE THE MASTER PLAN THAT'S BEEN APPROVED, AND THEN BREAK THAT DOWN INTO SIZABLE. PHASES, IF YOU WILL, TO MOVE THE PROJECT FORWARD. ALSO TO RECEIVE. REQUESTS FROM THE FROM THE GROUPS WHO WANT TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS AND DETERMINE IF THAT'S IN LINE WITH THE MASTER PLAN, IF THAT'S THE BEST PROCESS TO GO BY. WE HAVE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE BLACKLAND COLLABORATIVE, WHO IS A SUBCONSULTANT OF OUR OUR CONSULTANT, OUR PRIMARY CONSULTANT, AND THEY STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CREATION OF A LAND MANAGEMENT PLAN. AND WHAT THAT LAND MANAGEMENT PLAN WOULD DO IS TO ESTABLISH HOW WE MOVE FORWARD AS A GROUP, A COLLECTIVE GROUP IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF, IN PARTICULAR, THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE BLACKLAND PRAIRIE. THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT OPINIONS AND IDEAS ABOUT WHAT THAT SHOULD LOOK LIKE, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, AND HOW WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD. BUT WHAT THIS LAND MANAGEMENT PLAN WOULD DO WOULD BRING ALL OF THOSE IDEAS TOGETHER IN ONE COLLECTIVE DISCUSSION, AND WE COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT WE CAN ALL AGREE UPON, THAT THIS IS HOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD. IT MAY OR MAY NOT BE EXACTLY WHAT EVERYONE WANTS, BUT IT WILL BE A PLAN THAT WE CAN ALL FOLLOW SO THAT STAFF IS NOT PUT IN THE MIDDLE. THE COUNCIL IS NOT PUT IN THE MIDDLE. FEELINGS DON'T GET HURT. THIS IS THE PLAN ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO REESTABLISH THE BLACKLAND BLACKLAND PRAIRIE. SO I WOULD SAY THIS, THAT BEING ONE OF THE FIRST ITEMS THAT THIS STEERING COMMITTEE WOULD ADDRESS IS WORKING ON CREATING THAT, CREATING THAT, THAT LAND MANAGEMENT PLAN. BEYOND THAT, AGAIN, I THINK JUST LISTENING TO THE PUBLIC, WHEN THEY COME UP WITH IDEAS OF WHAT WE CAN DO TO MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD, WORKING WITH THE NATURE CONSERVANCY AND THE FUNDING THAT THEY HAVE SECURED AND SECURING IN THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, HOW HOW BEST TO SPEND THOSE DOLLARS AND THEN MAKING THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COUNCIL. ULTIMATELY, THE COUNCIL MAKES A LOT OF THOSE DECISIONS. BUT BUT THEY'RE THE EXPERTS. STAFF ARE NOT EXPERTS IN IN NATURE RESERVES OR ESTABLISHMENT OF BLACKLAND PRAIRIE. WE NEED FOLKS WHO WHO BETTER UNDERSTAND THAT. BRING IN A CONSULTANT. I THINK LIKE LIKE BLACK BLACKLAND COLLABORATIVE TO ESTABLISH THAT PLAN FOR US WOULD BE THE FIRST STEP. THANK YOU. HOPE THAT HELPS, MR. MCBURNETT. THANK YOU, MAYOR BART, I KNOW YOU'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK AND I APPRECIATE IT SO MUCH. AND I THINK THIS IS A GOOD STEP. HOW LONG OR IS THERE GOING TO BE A TERM FOR THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, OR IS IT A. I GUESS THAT'S UP TO YOU GUYS. YOU KNOW, ESTABLISHING ONE, HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU WANT TO PUT ON THE COMMITTEE AGAIN, 7 TO 9. I'M GUESSING SEVEN AND SEVEN IS USUALLY THE AVERAGE NUMBER WE TYPICALLY GO WITH. AND THEN HOW YOU WANT TO HANDLE THE, YOU KNOW, THE YEAH. AND YOUR NUMBERS KIND OF MATCH UP TOWARDS SEVEN. SO YEAH. DON'T WANT IT TO GET TOO CONVOLUTED.

SO WITH THAT INFORMATION THEN WE CAN GO BACK AND ESTABLISH THE ORDINANCE TO BRING FORWARD

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[EXECUTIVE SESSION (Part 2 of 2)]