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          JIM'S GOING TO STEP OUT FOR A SECOND, BUT WE ARE OFFICIALLY AT 5:00, OPENING OUR DUNCANVILLE CITY COUNCIL SPECIAL MEETING FOR TUESDAY, JANUARY 13TH, 2026. AND I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT ITEM NUMBER ONE, THERE IS NO CITIZENS INPUT TO CONSIDER TODAY. AND CONTRARY TO THE WAY THE AGENDA READS OUT, WE'RE GOING TO NOT GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. INSTEAD, 
          [3.B. Receive a briefing and hold a discussion on the Police and Courts Spatial Needs Assessment.]
WE'RE GOING TO GO TO ITEM THREE B, WHICH IS TO RECEIVE BRIEFING AND HOLD THE DISCUSSION ON POLICE AND COURTS SPATIAL NEEDS ASSESSMENT. SO, MAYOR, WE HAVE ANGEL DEAL AND CHIEF STOGNER HERE ON THE ON ON TEAMS. WE DO HAVE THE REPRESENTATIVES FROM KIMLEY-HORN AGD. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO ANGEL AND CHIEF NOW TO BEGIN THE PRESENTATION THAT THEY HAVE AND JUST MAKING SURE THEY'RE ALL THEY'RE ALL THERE. OH EXCUSE ME. SORRY. SO WITH FURTHER ADO, WE GOT EVERYBODY ON THERE. AND ASK ANY CAN YOU ALL HEAR US? YES, I CAN HEAR YOU. AND I AM ADMITTING ME RIGHT NOW AS WELL, WHICH IS WONDERFUL. ALL RIGHT. HI, RODNEY. HI. CAN EVERYONE HEAR ME? YES, YES, YES. ALL RIGHT. SO THANKS EVERYONE FOR BEING HERE. MAYOR, COUNCIL, CITY MANAGER. SO TONIGHT IS AN UPDATE. AS A FOLLOW UP TO WE HAD OUR FIRST BRIEFING, I BELIEVE ON NOVEMBER 18TH. AND THEN THE NEXT ONE WAS DECEMBER 16TH. AND SO NOW THAT THE SPATIAL SPATIAL ASSESSMENT AND NEEDS ANALYSIS IS COMPLETE, WE HAVE OUR PARTNERS HERE FROM KIMLEY-HORN AND ADG TO WALK US THROUGH THE PRESENTATION, SOME PRELIMINARY INFORMATION FOR US AS WE MOVE FORWARD FOR BOND ELECTION. SO I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO I BELIEVE RODNEY WILL KICK US OFF AND WALK US THROUGH THEIR PRESENTATION. SO I DID ASK THE TEAM IF THEY COULD DO A BRIEF INTRODUCTION AND ALSO DO JUST A SHORT GLIMPSE OF EDUCATION, OF HOW THEY WALK THROUGH THEIR PROCESS BEFORE WE GET INTO THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT OPTIONS. SO, RODNEY, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU. PERFECT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY THE PRIME, THE PRIME REPRESENTATIVE ON THE TEAM. SO I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO HER. BUT HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY CAN SEE MY SCREEN. THANK YOU RONNIE DO YOU WANT TO BE. THERE WE GO OKAY. THERE WE GO. AND I'LL JUST TURN IT OVER TO YOU. I'LL DO MOST OF THE TALKING AND I APOLOGIZE BECAUSE I IS A MUCH BETTER TALKER THAN I AM. BUT THAT'S OKAY. BUT WE'RE JUST OUT. LET ME JUST FIGURE OUT. OKAY. 
          THERE WE GO. OKAY. THANKS, RODNEY. SO MY NAME IS ANDY BRISCOE. I AM THE PROJECT MANAGER FROM. CAN WE. CAN WE? HORN IS A CONSULTING FIRM. WE ARE LOCAL TO THE METROPLEX AS WELL. WE HAVE 13 OFFICES IN THE DFW METROPLEX. I SPECIFICALLY A CIVIL ENGINEER, BUT MY HUSBAND IS A FIRST RESPONDER. HE ACTUALLY WORKS FOR THE CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE. SO I AM VERY INVESTED IN PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES. WHEN WE SAW THIS COME OUT, WE SAID, WHAT A BETTER WAY TO DO THIS. THE PARTNER WITH THE EXPERTS BRING IN ADG, WHICH IS WHY YOU HAVE RODNEY AND PETER HERE AS WELL. THEY ARE TRULY SOME OF THE BEST IN THE BUSINESS, THE EXPERTS IN PUBLIC SAFETY, WHICH IS WHY YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR RODNEY TALK A LOT MORE THAN I AM, BECAUSE THEY HAVE DONE AN IN-DEPTH SPATIAL ANALYSIS WITH OUR HEALTH AND MYSELF, AND THEN LARRY WILLIAMS WITH KIMLEY-HORN AS WELL. WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT YOUR EXISTING SITE AND THEN GOING THROUGH SPATIAL ANALYSIS WITH ADG OR EXCITED TO START PRESENTING TO YOU ALL TODAY. 
          GREAT. MY NAME IS RODNEY MCMANUS. I'M THE SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT AND DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS FOR ARCHITECTS DESIGN GROUP. AND WITH ME IS PETER PETER STRICKER. HE'S OUR DALLAS. HE'S IN OUR DALLAS OFFICE. SO HE'S OUR KIND OF BOOTS ON THE GROUND IN TEXAS. 
          AND GREAT GUY AND HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN MANY LEASE AND FIRE DEPARTMENT PROJECTS WITH US. 
          ALSO NOT NOT ON BOARD TODAY IS IAN REEVES, WHO IS PRESIDENT OF OUR FIRM, AND HE REALLY WORKS WITH US VERY CLOSELY AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER PROPERLY AND WE'RE COVERING ALL OF OUR BASES. SO AS AMY SAID, WE'RE WE'RE PUBLIC SAFETY CONSULTANTS. THAT'S ALL WE DO. WE DON'T DO ANYTHING ELSE. WE WE DON'T DO HIGHER EDUCATION. WE DON'T DO WE DON'T DO ANYTHING. WE DO PUBLIC SAFETY. SO FAR, COURTS, POLICE, ALL THAT KIND OF GOOD STUFF. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE DO AND THAT'S WHAT WE KNOW. AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE FOCUSING ON. BUT I'D 
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BE REMISS NOT TO TO SAY THAT WE EVEN BEFORE THIS PRE-DESIGN STUDY, WE'VE GATHERED A BUNCH OF LOCAL ARCHITECTS FROM YOUR NECK OF THE WOODS. THERE. COST ESTIMATION IS CC-M KEITH COACHMAN, WHO'S BEEN IN THE BUSINESS A LONG TIME. OUR SECURITY TECHNOLOGY CONSULTANT, PAUL NORTH. ALSO, WE'VE WE'VE DONE ABOUT 125 PROJECTS TOGETHER. WE'VE GOT MEP CE FOR MECHANICAL AND ELECTRICAL AND TERRACON FOR THE GEOTECHNICAL IMAG FOR STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING AND MECHANICAL AND PLUMBING ENGINEER, ALSO WITH MPC. SO I THINK WE'VE GOT ALL THE BASES COVERED EVEN FOR THIS PRE-DESIGN. BUT WE'RE WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT AND WE REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THE CITY OF DURHAM. LET ME JUST TRY AND FIGURE OUT IF I CAN. I'M NOT SURE. I'M NOT SURE HOW TO GO FORWARD ON THIS. THERE WE GO. OKAY. SO JUST ANY I MEAN, I'M SORRY ANGEL WANTED US TO GIVE A JUST A SHORT PRESENTATION OF KIND OF HOW WE WORK ON THESE PROJECTS AND WHAT THE WHAT THE VARIOUS STEPS ARE. SO THIS IS A METHODOLOGY, PROJECT METHODOLOGY THAT WE BROUGHT TOGETHER OVER THE LAST 50 YEARS. AND EVERY PROJECT WE WE WE FINESSE IT A LITTLE BIT, WE TWEAK IT A LITTLE BIT, WE FIND BETTER WAYS OF DOING THINGS. AND EVERY PROJECT WE DO IS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE LAST PROJECT. WE DON'T DO WE DON'T DO PROJECTS THAT CAN BE REPEATED BECAUSE THEY'RE VERY MUCH DESIGNED FOR THE SPECIFIC AGENCIES THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH. WE BREAK OUR PROJECTS INTO TWO PHASES. WE'RE PRESENTLY IN THE PHASE ONE, WHICH IS THE PRE-DESIGN PLANNING. THIS IS WHERE WE'RE BUILDING THE FOUNDATION OF YOUR PROJECT. AND WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT THIS IS A 7 OR 8 STEP PROCESS THAT WE GO FROM UNDERSTANDING THE PROJECT TO PUTTING THE THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE PROJECT INTO PERSPECTIVE FOR THAT, UNDERSTANDING THE AGENCIES, UNDERSTANDING THE SITE, DETERMINING HOW BIG THE BUILDINGS NEED TO BE, HOW BIG THE SITE NEEDS TO BE, SELECTING THE PERFECT SITE OR THE THE THE BEST OF THE BEST SITES THAT ARE AVAILABLE. HOW TO ANALYZE THE SITE. PUT IT TOGETHER. COMPLETE A MASTER PLAN THAT CAN BE. IT SHOULD BE A FINAL MASTER PLAN. 
          IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE CITY CAN AFFORD ALL THIS AT THE FIRST TIME. THAT THAT FIRST BLUSH, IT MIGHT BE A WORK IN PROGRESS FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. SOME OF THESE THESE PROJECTS TAKE YEARS TO COME TO FRUITION TO TO TOTALLY BUILD OUT THE PROJECT BECAUSE OF OF WHAT THE BUDGETARY LIMITS ARE AND WHAT WE CAN DO AT PRESENT AND THEN WHAT NEEDS TO BE DESIGNED IN THE FUTURE. THE IMPORTANT THING TO UNDERSTAND, THOUGH, IS THAT WE WANT TO PUT EVERYTHING ON THE TABLE AT THE BEGINNING SO THAT WHEN WE GET TO THE LAST PHASE OF THE PROJECT AND WE START DOING THE LAST PHASE OF THE PROJECT, THAT THOSE PIECES AND PARTS FIT ONTO THE SITE, THEY'VE BEEN DESIGNED FOR THE SITE. WE KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO GO, EXACTLY WHAT, HOW MUCH SQUARE FOOTAGE THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE AND WHAT RESOURCES THEY NEED. AND WE CAN PLAN FOR THAT FROM THE BEGINNING. SO WHEN WE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PRE-DESIGN PLANNING, WE'RE REALLY THINKING SOUP TO NUTS. WE'RE WE'RE THINKING ABOUT WHAT YOU NEED NOT ONLY AT THE END OF THIS PROJECT, BUT WHAT YOU NEED IN THE YEARS TO COME. AND WE WANT TO PLAN FOR ALL THAT. WE ALSO GO INTO THE DEVELOPMENT OPTIONS. WHETHER YOU'RE USING A CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK, WHETHER YOU'RE BIDDING THE PROJECT, THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WILL BE DECIDED BY YOUR TEAM AND WE'LL WORK WITH YOUR TEAM WHATEVER DECISIONS ARE. AND THEN GOING INTO THE PHASING PLANS AND UPDATING THE PROJECT SCHEDULES AND THE BUDGETS AND. YEAH, YOU'RE MUTED. SORRY. OKAY. I'M TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT BECAUSE I'M NOT ON MY STANDARD COMPUTER. WE'RE AN HOUR BEHIND YOU ALL. SO I'M AT HOME WORKING ON MY MY LIVING ROOM TABLE. SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SPECIAL NEEDS ASSESSMENT. AND HE'S BEEN DOING THE SITE ANALYSIS. WE'VE BEEN DOING THE MASTER PLAN FOR THE SITE, WHICH YOU'LL SEE SOME ITERATIONS OF. 
          AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT DEVELOPMENT OPTIONS. AND WE'VE ALREADY LOOKED AT VERY, VERY, VERY PRELIMINARY OPINIONS OF PROBABLE CAUSE THAT WILL PRESENT TO YOU TONIGHT. AND 
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THEN AT THE END OF THIS ALL IN A MONTH OR SO, WE'LL BE ABLE TO PREPARE A FINAL REPORT. THAT FINAL REPORT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT ALL OF THE ENGINEERING NARRATIVES THAT NEED TO BE COMPLETED, SO THAT IT DESCRIBES THE PROJECT IN SUCH DETAIL THAT A COST ESTIMATOR CAN COME IN AND GIVE A VALID COST TO YOUR PROJECT. AND FROM THERE, WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHAT THE THE TIME LIMITATIONS ARE AND HOW WE MOVE THAT PROJECT INTO THE FUTURE. MEANING THAT IF IF IT'S NOT GOING TO BE BUILT TOMORROW, THEN WE NEED TO PREPARE FOR ESCALATIONS, BECAUSE EVERY EVERY YEAR CONSTRUCTION COSTS ARE GOING UP AROUND 5 TO 6%. SO WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GIVE YOU A CLEAR SNAPSHOT OF WHAT TO EXPECT DURING THE PROCESS. YOU'RE MUTED AGAIN. 
          YOU'RE MUTED. YOU'RE MUTED AGAIN RODNEY. ALL RIGHT. IT'S MAKING ME CLICK ON THE SCREEN BEFORE I CAN HIT MY SHIFT KEY I'M NOT SURE WHY. ALL RIGHT. SO SPECIALIZED SPACES. THESE ARE SPACES THAT WE CONSIDER STANDARD. BUT THEY'RE VERY SPECIALIZED FOR FOR POLICE AND PUBLIC SAFETY WORK AS WELL AS COURTS. SO THESE ARE JUST A SNAPSHOT OF SOME OF THE DESIGNS THAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST, WHERE WE HAVE PUBLIC LOBBIES THAT NEED TO SERVE MORE THAN ONE FUNCTION, TRAINING ROOMS ALSO THAT CAN THAT CAN PERFORM MORE THAN ONE FUNCTION RECORDS. 
          KEEPING SUPER IMPORTANT. OBVIOUSLY MUNICIPAL COURTS, WHICH IS GOING TO BE A PART OF THIS PROJECT, REAL TIME INFORMATION CENTER. THIS IS A FAIRLY NEW CONCEPT. IT'S BEEN AROUND FOR SEVERAL YEARS, BUT IT'S BEEN INCORPORATED IN MOST EVERY PROJECT THAT WE DO THESE DAYS FOR POLICE AND PUBLIC SAFETY SECTOR, THE REAL TIME INFORMATION CENTER IS A WAY OF GETTING THE MOST INFORMATION FROM FROM INFORMATION OUTSIDE OF WHAT YOU WOULD NORMALLY BE ABLE TO DO. BY USING PUBLIC CAMERAS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. IT COULD EVEN USE RING DOORBELLS AND OTHER INFORMATION WHERE THEY CAN ACTUALLY WATCH THINGS HAPPEN IN REAL TIME, WHICH IS THE REAL TIME INFORMATION CENTER. THEY'RE GATHERING INFORMATION IN REAL TIME, AND THEY'RE THEY'RE CONVEYING THAT INFORMATION OUT TO THE FOLKS THAT ARE RESPONDING TO THESE CALLS. SO IT GIVES YOU A GREATER SENSE OF SITUATIONAL AWARENESS, AND IT ALLOWS YOU THEN TO BE PREPARED FOR ANYTHING THAT YOU MIGHT, MIGHT COME INTO CONTACT WITH. AND YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THE FOLKS ARE. YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT KIND OF CAR THEY'RE IN. WHERE DO THEY TURN? RIGHT? WHERE DO THEY TURN LEFT? THAT'S THAT'S AN INCREDIBLE TOOL THAT THE POLICE CAN USE. NOW, EVIDENCE INTAKE CAN'T BE MORE CLEAR ON THIS. EVIDENCE IS BEING USED IN EVERY SINGLE CRIME THAT HAPPENS. AND THE CONTINUITY OF THE, THE, THE WHERE THAT EVIDENCE HAS BEEN HAS TO BE MAINTAINED. THE SANCTITY OF THAT CONTINUITY HAS TO BE MAINTAINED. AND SO THE WAY YOU TAKE THE EVIDENCE AWAY FROM THE CRIME SCENE, PROCESS THAT EVIDENCE AND STORE THAT EVIDENCE IS OF THE UTMOST IMPORTANCE IN POLICING TODAY. IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE EVIDENCE THAT CAN BE QUALIFIED IN A IN A COURTROOM, THEN THE EVIDENCE LITERALLY DOES NOT EXIST BECAUSE IT'S NOT ADMISSIBLE IN COURT. SO WE TAKE THAT VERY SERIOUSLY, JUST THE WORKSTATION ENVIRONMENTS. WE WE TEND TO USE MORE GAME WORKSTATIONS BECAUSE IT'S MORE EFFICIENT. IT CAN GROW A LITTLE BIT FASTER, BUT MAKING SURE THAT WE USE ERGONOMICS AND WE GIVE YOU LIGHT AND AIR AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO MAKE IT A COMFORTABLE AND COMPLIANT AREA. THIS ALSO HELPS IN RETENTION OF EMPLOYEES AND ALSO HELPS WITH RECRUITING EMPLOYEES BECAUSE YOU WANT THE BEST OF THE BEST. WORKING FOR DUNCANVILLE, THE CRIME LAB, YOU KNOW PERFECTLY IN CORRELATION TO THE EVIDENCE INTAKE AREAS WHERE WE DO THE PROCESSING OF THE EVIDENCE. THE ROLLING STORAGE OR ROLLING ASSET STORAGE. THESE ARE INCREDIBLY EXPENSIVE PIECES OF EQUIPMENT THAT NEED TO BE TAKEN CARE OF, AND THEY SHOULD BE TAKEN CARE OF IN A IN A VERY FUNCTIONAL WAY. SECURED POLICE PARKING. I CAN'T SAY ENOUGH ABOUT THIS. DIFFERENTIATING WHERE THE PUBLIC IS AND WHERE THE WHERE THE POLICE AND THE COURTS PARKING ARE SECURED. PARKING IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ONCE YOU ENTER THAT, ONCE YOU ENTER THE SITE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE YOU'RE REALLY IN A SECURED AREA. YOU'RE GOING TO BE ON CLOSED CIRCUIT TV. YOUR, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR MOVEMENTS ARE GOING TO BE MONITORED. AND WE WANT YOU TO BE AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE. AND WE WANT YOUR EMPLOYEES TO BE AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE AS WELL. THE 
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GYM AND THE LOCKER ROOM, THOSE ARE COMBINED TOGETHER. THE ONE THE LOCKER ROOM ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT IS ACTUALLY UNISEX LOCKER ROOM, WHICH IS KIND OF A NEW THING, WHICH WE CAN TALK ABOUT LATER IF ANYBODY'S INTERESTED. BUT HAVING GYM EQUIPMENT SO THAT YOU CAN KEEP IN SHAPE, YOU KNOW, THE GRIND FOR A, FOR A POLICE OFFICER IS IS QUITE STRINGENT. AND BEING IN SHAPE IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO WHATEVER YOU NEED TO DO TO STAY ON TOP OF YOUR GAME. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT. I TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS BEFORE. SECURITY PARAMETERS ON THE VERY TOP LEFT IS IS ANOTHER REAL TIME CRIME CENTER. SO YOU'RE YOU'RE ACTUALLY WATCHING CRIMES AS THEY TAKE PLACE AND YOU'RE WATCHING PEOPLE LEAVE THE SCENE OF THE CRIME, AND YOU'RE ABLE TO TELL YOUR OFFICERS THAT, HEY, GO THIS WAY, GO THAT WAY. OH, BE CAREFUL. THEY'VE GOTTEN OUT OF THE CAR. THEY'VE GONE SOMEWHERE ELSE. AND IT'S INCREDIBLY HELPFUL. AND TO KEEP THE OFFICERS ON THEIR TOES AND KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND THEM. CLOSED CIRCUIT TV, TOP RIGHT IS THAT'S A OBVIOUSLY A CAMERA THAT'S THERE. AND ON THE BOTTOM LEFT IS KIND OF A DIAGRAM SHOWING THAT AS YOU WALK INTO YOUR SITE, YOU HAVE MULTIPLE LEVELS OF SECURITY. IT STARTS AT THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE. YOU DIVIDE IT INTO PUBLIC AREAS AND PRIVATE SECURED AREAS. BUT THEN ONCE YOU GET INTO THE BUILDING, ONCE YOU GET INTO THE COURTS BUILDING, ONCE YOU GET INTO THE POLICE BUILDING, THERE ARE ADDITIONAL LEVELS OF OF SECURITY THAT ARE PUT INTO PLACE. AND EVEN WITHIN THE SECURED AREAS, THERE ARE GREATER SECURED AREAS, LIKE WITH EVIDENCE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WHERE YOU HAVE TO LIMIT EVEN WHAT POLICE PERSONNEL CAN, CAN, CAN GO INTO EVIDENCE AREAS AND, AND, AND BE IN CERTAIN AREAS OF YOUR, YOUR FACILITY. SO IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THE LEVELS OF SECURITY THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH HERE AND WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP PEOPLE SAFE AND KEEP NOT ONLY THE PUBLIC SAFE, BUT ALSO KEEP YOURSELF SAFE. THE WAY WE GO ABOUT DOING DETERMINING HOW LARGE A FACILITY OF A FACILITY THAT YOU WOULD NEED, WE SIT DOWN WITH THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS OF YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND YOUR COURTS, AND WE'VE DONE THIS. WE'VE DONE ONE ROUND AND THEN WE'VE DONE A SECOND ROUND, KIND OF JUST MAKING SURE WE HAD EVERYTHING TAKEN CARE OF. WHAT WE DO IS WE SIT AND WE IDENTIFY EVERY SINGLE OFFICE, EVERY SINGLE ROOM, EVERY STORAGE CLOSET THAT'S NECESSARY, EVERY BATHROOM, THE JANITOR'S CLOSET, THE ELEVATORS, THE STAIRWELLS, EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. WE WE WE IDENTIFY THOSE AS PER THEIR DEPARTMENTS, LIKE OFFICE OF INTERNAL AFFAIRS OR PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICES OR POLICE INVESTIGATIONS. WE GO THROUGH THAT AND WE MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE THE PROPER ROOMS TO DO THE WORK THAT YOU NEED TO DO, AND AND YOU HAVE THE PROPER RESOURCES TO DO THE WORK THAT YOU NEED TO DO. WE WE LIST THIS WITH A LOT OF JOURNAL NOTES AND COMMENTS ON THE SIDE, LIKE PROVIDING SUPPORT FOR PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS. WE HAVE TO HAVE A MEETING SPACE THAT HAS AT LEAST 4 TO 6 PERSON CAPABILITY AND A CONFIDENTIAL AREA, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO ONCE WE BREAK IT DOWN INTO DEPARTMENTAL BREAKDOWNS AND WE TALK TO THE THE PROFESSIONALS THAT ARE IN CHARGE OF EACH OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS, AND WE UNDERSTAND HOW THEY START TO WORK, THEN WE GO WE WE PROCESS WHAT WE CALL THE A EXECUTIVE SUMMARY. AND THIS LIST NUMBER ONE THROUGH 18, THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE IN YOUR FACILITY, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE PUBLIC ACCESS AREAS, RECORDS, PUBLIC POLICE ADMINISTRATION, OFFICE OF INTERNAL AFFAIRS, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO SHARED FACILITY SPACES AND MUNICIPAL COURT SPACES. AND SO WE IDENTIFY ALL THOSE NEEDS. WE PUT A CIRCULATION FACTOR ON THERE, WHICH IS 30% GROSS, AND THAT TAKES UP THE THE AMOUNT OF ROOMS THAT ARE NECESSARY FOR YOUR CORRIDOR WIDTHS, THE QUARTERS LEADING FROM ONE SPACE TO ANOTHER THAT WE CAN'T ACTUALLY IDENTIFY UNTIL WE DO THE VARIOUS LAYOUTS. BUT IT GIVES US A GOOD BALLPARK WHEN WE FIND THAT 30% GROSS IS IS PRETTY MUCH STRAIGHT ON THE NUMBER THAT WE NEED TO PROVIDE YOU WITH THAT. YOU'LL NOTICE IN A LOT OF THE BUILDINGS, IF YOU GO TO MODERN POLICE FACILITIES, THE QUARTERS MIGHT SEEM A LITTLE WIDE TO YOU. THEY'RE GENERALLY NO NARROWER THAN SIX FEET WIDE. THE MINIMUM IS 44FT WIDE. FOR BUILDING CODE, WE ALWAYS MAKE OURS AT LEAST 72IN WIDE, IF NOT 92IN OR 94IN WIDE. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT YOU'VE GOT ENOUGH ROOM FOR TWO 
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BIG GUYS WITH GUN BELTS TO WALK NEXT TO EACH OTHER WITHOUT RUBBING THE WALLS BECAUSE. AS THE CHIEF CAN TELL YOU, THERE'S NOBODY HARDER ON ON FACILITIES AND POLICE ARE MAYBE FIVE OR A LITTLE BIT HARDER FACILITY POLICE ARE, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF WEAR AND TEAR THAT GOES ON, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS FACILITY LASTS YOU AT LEAST 50 YEARS MINIMUM. AND MOST BUILDINGS THAT WE GO INTO, MOST BUILDINGS THAT WE REPLACE ARE IN THE MORE OF THE 70 TO 100. YEAR RANGE INSTEAD OF THE 50 YEAR RANGE. SO YOU CAN ONLY IMAGINE HOW MUCH WEAR AND TEAR THEY'VE HAD TO DEAL WITH THROUGHOUT THE LIFE OF THE BUILDING. SO THIS IS HOW WE GET TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE TO DO THE REST OF OUR WORK. AND AS I SAID THIS, THIS PRE-DESIGN IS A NUMBER OF TASKS, AND EACH TASK IS BUILT ON THE TASKS THAT WERE COMPLETED, THE TWO TASKS THAT WERE COMPLETED BEFORE. SO THIS IS A KIND OF A LIVING DOCUMENT UNTIL WE COME UP WITH A VERY FINAL, BECAUSE WE KEEP GOING BACK AND TWEAKING WHEN WE FIND THAT NEEDS DIFFER AND WE WE'VE, WE'VE LEFT SOMETHING OUT. SO IT'S A IT'S A GREAT EXAMPLE OF, OF KIND OF CHECKS AND BALANCES AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. WE WE DECIDED TO I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO THROUGH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND TAKE A TOUR? HAVE A LOT OF YOU BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT? YES. YES, YES. OKAY, GOOD. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR POLICE FACILITY LOOKS LIKE. SO WHAT WE LIKE TO DO IS WE LIKE TO, TO WE CALL THIS THE GOOD, THE BAD, THE UGLY. JUST BECAUSE OF THE GREAT MOVIE IN THE, IN THE 70S. BUT STILL WE, WE LOOK AT KIND OF THE SPACES BEFORE AND THEN WHAT MAYBE A MODERN DAY STATE OF THE ART FACILITY MIGHT LOOK LIKE AND PROVIDE YOU WITH. SO THIS IS UP ON THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER. THIS IS YOUR PUBLIC LOBBY. NOW THERE'S MORE THAN THREE PEOPLE IN THERE. CHIEF SAYS IT'S THERE'S TOO MANY PEOPLE. AND ESPECIALLY IF THOSE THREE PEOPLE DON'T LIKE EACH OTHER, WHICH MIGHT BE THE CASE ONCE IN A WHILE. IT JUST MAKES IT HARD TO CONTROL. SO WHAT WE LIKE TO DO IS GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE GENEROUS AND IN YOUR CASE, A SIGNIFICANTLY MORE GENEROUS, BECAUSE IT'S ALSO GOING TO BE COUPLED WITH THE COURTS FUNCTION. AND SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WHEN YOU GO IN, THE WAYFINDING GRAPHICS ARE CLEAR AND THEY LEAD YOU TO EXACTLY WHERE YOU NEED TO BE AND HOW YOU NEED TO GO. THE INSIDE OF THIS IS A PUBLIC AREA. HOWEVER, THE LINES OF SECURITY, WHILE THEY'RE INVISIBLE AND THEY LOOK GREAT, THEY ARE DEFINITELY THERE. EVERYTHING THERE THAT YOU SEE IN THE IN THE LOBBY ON THE BOTTOM LEFT IS BALLISTIC GLASS. IT'S BULLETPROOF. THE THE, THE THE WALLS SURROUNDING THIS ARE ALL BALLISTIC GRADED. YOU CAN'T SHOOT IN THROUGH THE WALLS. YOU CAN'T SHOOT IN UNDERNEATH THE GLASS. YOU CAN'T SHOOTING THROUGH THE GLASS. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE TAKE CARE OF YOUR FOLKS. THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE. 
          THE THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELLNESS OF YOUR EMPLOYEES IS ONE OF THE NUMBER ONE THINGS THAT WE LOOK AT. RECORDS. YOU HAVE RECORDS AS PART OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ON THE UPPER MIDDLE. THAT'S YOUR RECORDS RIGHT NOW, HOW THEY'RE BEING STORED DOWN THE BOTTOM. THAT'S A RECORDS DEPARTMENT THAT WE'VE RECENTLY DESIGNED FOR ANOTHER FOR ANOTHER FACILITY ABOUT THE SAME SIZE. IT HAS AMPLE PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO WORK. IT'S GOT MODERN STORAGE FACILITIES. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT THE HIGH DENSITY SHELVING IN AT THE BEGINNING, BECAUSE IT CAN BE SOMEWHAT EXPENSIVE, PLAN FOR IT AND BUILD UP THE SLAB SO THAT IT CAN HOLD THAT SO THAT IN THE FUTURE, WHEN YOU DO HAVE MORE RECORDS NEEDS AND MORE STORAGE NEEDS, YOU'RE ABLE TO INSTALL THESE HIGH DENSITY SHELVING AND USE THEM ALWAYS. PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO. STORAGE ROOMS AS SIMPLE, YOU KNOW, THINGS AS SIMPLE AS STORAGE AND BATTERIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IT SHOULD BE NEAT AND TIDY AND A PLACE FOR EVERYTHING AND EVERYTHING IN ITS PLACE. AND JUST PROVIDING ADEQUATE STORAGE AND MAKING SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS WHERE YOU NEED IT. THINGS DON'T GET LOST IN THE PROCESS, OR HIDDEN OVER OR THROWN AWAY ACCIDENTALLY. THE SWAT AREA ON THE UPPER LEFT. THAT'S YOUR SWAT AREA NOW. THEY MADE THEIR OWN LOCKERS. I'M SURE THEY WORK GREAT. THEY'VE TAKEN BARCALOUNGERS OUT OF SEVERAL DIFFERENT AREAS AND AND CHAIRS OUT OF SEVERAL DIFFERENT AREAS. THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE TO SIT IN WHEN THEY MEET AND WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT THINGS ON THE BOTTOM. THAT'S 
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THE LOCKER ROOM THAT WE PROVIDE. GENERALLY IT'S IT'S OVERSIZE LOCKERS. IT HOLDS ALL THEIR EQUIPMENT, NOT JUST PART OF THEIR EQUIPMENT. THEY CAN KEEP ALL THEIR EQUIPMENT SEPARATED. 
          THAT'S THAT KEEPS ALL THE TOXINS AND THINGS LIKE THAT FROM INTERSPERSING BETWEEN DIFFERENT PEOPLE'S. UNIFORMS AND EQUIPMENT, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. TRAINING I WE IT'S HARD TO EXPLAIN HOW IMPORTANT TRAINING IS, ESPECIALLY IN TODAY. I THINK WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING AT A TIME NOW WHERE THE LACK IN LAW ENFORCEMENT TRAINING IS, IS COMING TO THE FOREFRONT, BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN'T BEING TRAINED QUITE AS, AS, AS ADEQUATELY AS, AS THEY NEED TO BE TO DO A GOOD JOB AT WHAT THEY DO. AND WHAT THEY DO IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PROVIDE TRAINING FACILITIES AND TRAINING AREAS THAT ARE ADEQUATE. BELOW IS A TRAINING THAT ONE IS FOR A LARGER AGENCY. WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM TALKING TO THE CHIEF IS YOU NEED PROBABLY 40 TO 50 PEOPLE IN A TRAINING ROOM AT ONE TIME. YOU CAN HAVE 15 IN THE TRAINING ROOM THAT YOU HAVE PRESENTLY. ON THE RIGHT. THAT'S THE SECONDARY TRAINING. THIS IS WHERE A COUPLE OF THE CADETS ARE BEING TRAINED RIGHT NOW. I THINK THIS PICTURE WAS TAKEN YESTERDAY BY THE CHIEF. THIS IS ACTUALLY THE REPORT WRITING ROOM BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE IN THE CONFERENCE ROOM, THE LARGE TRAINING ROOM ON THE LEFT. SO THEY HAD TO SIT OUT HERE. SO THERE ARE THREE, THREE NEW OFFICERS BEING TRAINED IN THAT TYPE OF ATMOSPHERE, INSTEAD OF BEING TRAINED IN A MORE APPROPRIATE ATMOSPHERE WITH PROPER TECHNOLOGY WHERE THEY CAN ACTUALLY EXPERIENCE THINGS AND UNDERSTAND THINGS A LITTLE BIT BETTER, THE LOCKER ROOMS UP AT THE VERY TOP LEFT, THAT'S THAT'S YOUR LOCKER ROOM RIGHT NOW. THAT'S THE MEN'S ROOM BECAUSE OF THE URINAL. YOUR, YOUR YOUR LOCKER ROOMS ARE NOT ADA COMPLIANT. COMPLETELY. THE LOCKER ROOM DOWN AT THE BOTTOM, THAT'S WHAT WE CALL A UNISEX LOCKER ROOM. THIS IS SOMETHING FAIRLY NEW TO THE INDUSTRY. WE'VE TALKED TO THE CHIEF ABOUT IT. THE CHIEF IS OPEN TO THE IDEA. BASICALLY, IT SAVES YOU A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF OF SPACE AND MONEY. THE WAY IT DOES THAT IS YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE A TOTAL NUMBER OF LOCKERS. YOU DON'T HAVE TO PROVIDE X NUMBER OF MAN, AN X NUMBER OF WOMEN'S LOCKERS. WHAT THIS DOES IS THAT ALLOWS YOU TO DEFINE THE THE THE. THE NUMBER OF WORKFORCE THAT YOU HAVE, THE NUMBER OF OFFICERS THAT YOU HAVE. BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO DETERMINE THE DEMOGRAPHICS. AND SO IF RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE 4 TO 1 MEN TO WOMEN IN YOUR POLICE FORCE, BUT IN THE FUTURE YOU MIGHT HAVE 1 TO 1. WHO KNOWS. THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANY CHANGES. YOU JUST PROVIDE. YOU JUST ASSIGN THE LOCKERS DIFFERENTLY. THE THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT THIS UNISEX LOCKER ROOM, WHILE IT'S USED AS A LOCKER ROOM TO STORE YOUR, YOUR, YOUR MATERIALS AND YOUR YOUR CLOTHING AND LOCKERS, IT'S NOT USED AS WHAT YOU WOULD THINK OF AS A LOCKER ROOM. YOU DON'T GET DRESSED IN THIS LOCKER ROOM. YOU STORE YOUR MATERIALS IN THIS LOCKER ROOM, YOU GO TO YOUR LOCKER, YOU TAKE EVERYTHING YOU NEED OUT. YOU GO TO A PRIVATE ROOM THAT HAS A SHOWER, A CHANGING AREA, A TOILET AND A SINK, AND THEN YOU'RE ABLE TO USE THE SHOWER, THE TOILET, THE SINK, AND CHANGE ALL YOUR CLOTHES. COME BACK OUT, PUT ALL YOUR CLOTHES, YOUR DIRTY CLOTHES. EITHER TAKE THEM HOME OR PUT THEM BACK IN YOUR LOCKER AND THEN CLOSE YOUR LOCKER. AND WHAT WE FIND IS THAT THE NUMBER OF LOCKERS DIMINISHES, AS WELL AS THE NUMBER OF TOILET FIXTURES CHANGES, BECAUSE WE'RE PROVIDING YOU WITH INDEPENDENT RESTROOMS AND INDEPENDENT CHANGING ROOMS, SHOWER ROOMS THAT CAN BE UTILIZED BY EITHER MALE OR FEMALE OR OR OTHERS. SO GENDER EQUITY ISSUES IN THE FUTURE WILL NOT WILL NEVER BE A PROBLEM. OPEN OFFICE AREAS. THE FURNITURE THAT YOU SEE IN THE MIDDLE IS SOMEWHAT ANTIQUATED. 
          I'M SURE IT'S IN GOOD WORKING ORDER. THIS LASTS A LONG TIME, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S NO NATURAL LIGHT COMING IN. THE CEILINGS ARE QUITE LOW. WE'D LIKE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE AIR, A LITTLE BIT MORE SPACE, HAVE THE WALLS COME UP A LITTLE BIT MORE, UTILIZE GLASS. SO EVEN IN A DETECTIVE'S AREA, YOU CAN USE MODULAR WORKSTATIONS, WHICH CAN BE WHICH CAN BE RECONFIGURED MUCH EASIER AND MUCH CHEAPER WITHIN THE SAME AMOUNT OF SPACE. SO IF YOU 
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INCREASE YOUR NUMBER OF DETECTIVES, YOU DON'T HAVE TO INCREASE THE SIZE OF THE SPACE. 
          YOU JUST CHANGE THE CONFIGURATION OF YOUR WORKSTATIONS AND YOU CAN FIT THOSE FOLKS IN. AND WE'RE FINDING THAT EVEN WITH DETECTIVES WHO GENERALLY LIKE TO HAVE THEIR OWN PRIVATE OFFICES ARE ACTUALLY WORKING MUCH BETTER BECAUSE IT'S RARE THAT ONE DETECTIVE WOULD BE ON ONE CASE. USUALLY THEY BUDDY UP TO ANOTHER DETECTIVE OR UTILIZE A GROUP, AND THEY CAN COMMUNICATE OVER THESE OVER THESE CORRIDORS. I MEAN, OVER THESE WORKSTATIONS. AND THEY CAN THEY CAN ACTUALLY ENHANCE COMMUNICATIONS. AND WE FIND IT TO BE VERY, A VERY GOOD THING. IT WORKS VERY WELL. THE SHOWER UP TOP, THAT'S JUST A NON ADA COMPLIANT SHOWER VERSUS THE ONE DOWN BELOW THAT WOULD MEET ALL THE ADA REQUIREMENTS. AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT ADA PRESENTLY IS A LAW. ADA IS NOT A RECOMMENDATION ANYMORE LIKE IT USED TO BE. THE ADA IS A LAW. IT HAS TO BE FOLLOWED. AND AND IF YOU'RE NOT IN COMPLIANCE, YOU CAN BE SUED. AND YOU'LL HAVE TO MAKE MODIFICATIONS THAT THAT OFTENTIMES ARE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN JUST PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE PROPERLY. EVIDENCE BAG AND TAG AREA. THIS IS WHERE THE OFFICERS WILL COME IN WITH THE EVIDENCE THAT THEY'VE TAKEN FROM A SITE, AND THEY'LL PUT IT IN THE APPROPRIATE PACKAGING MATERIAL, THEY'LL PUT IT INTO A LOCKER AND THEY'LL PASS. THEY'LL PUT IT IN TO GET IT INTO THE EVIDENCE TECH AREA. THE ONE ON THE UPPER LEFT IS WHAT YOU HAVE PRESENTLY IS A LITTLE HAPHAZARD. IT'S LIMITED SPACE. YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TABLES, CLEAR TABLES, THINGS LIKE THAT. THE ONE ON THE BOTTOM. YES. THE ONE ON THE BOTTOM IS THE MORE MODERN DAY. IT HAS THE STAINLESS STEEL COUNTERTOPS. SO THEY CAN BE SCOURED, THEY CAN BE CLEANED. IT'S GOT THE PASS THROUGH LOCKERS, SOME OF WHICH ARE REFRIGERATED FOR ANY EVIDENCE THAT HAS TO BE REFRIGERATED OR FROZEN, LIKE RAPE KITS AND THE SUCH, IT'S GOT DECON AREAS BUILT INTO IT. IT'S GOT ALL THE SUPPLIES YOU WOULD NEED AND IT'S GOT LOCKABLE LOCKERS, SO THAT THE SANCTITY OF THIS EVIDENCE IS ALWAYS MAINTAINED AND YOU HAVE PROOF OF IT WHEN IT GOES INTO EVIDENCE STORAGE ON THE UPPER MIDDLE, YOU SEE WHAT YOU HAVE NOW. THEY'RE CARDBOARD BOXES. NOT A HORRIBLE THING. AND STATIONARY SHELVING DOWN BELOW. IT'S MORE OF A MODERN ONE. WE DID USE THE MODULAR SHELVING HERE THAT IS HIGH DENSITY, SO IT CAN STORE ABOUT A THIRD MORE MATERIAL THAN WHAT YOUR PRESENT FACILITIES COULD STORE IN THE SAME SQUARE FOOTAGE. SO UTILIZING THIS PROPERLY CAN ACTUALLY SAVE YOU SQUARE FOOTAGE, WHICH EVERYBODY KNOWS. SQUARE FOOTAGE EQUATES TO DOLLARS IN TODAY'S WORLD. THE QUARTERMASTER UP UP AT THE VERY TOP. RIGHT. THAT'S WHERE THAT'S WHERE FOLKS COME TO GET THE MATERIALS THAT THEY NEED, LIKE THEIR, THEIR UNIFORMS AND, AND, AND AND THINGS LIKE THAT. YOURS IS AN OFFICE SLASH STORAGE ROOM SLASH WORKABLE AREA WITH A SAFE IN IT. THE ONE ON THE BOTTOM SHOWS HOW IT SHOULD BE PROPERLY HANDLED. IT SHOULD BE KEPT AWAY FROM SECURED STORAGE. IT SHOULD BE KEPT AWAY FROM OFFICE AREAS. IT SHOULD BE MAINTAINED. IT SHOULD BE AN AREA THAT YOU SIGN IN AND OUT OF BECAUSE YOU WANT TO MAINTAIN INVENTORY OF ALL THAT, ALL THAT EQUIPMENT AND THOSE MATERIALS. THIS STUFF ISN'T CHEAP. AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT YOU HAVE THE BEST WAYS OF MAINTAINING THE EQUIPMENT POSSIBLE. OKAY. 
          YEAH. THEN WE HAVE ON THE LEFT IS A STORAGE ROOM. IT WAS IT USED TO BE YOUR SERVER ROOM. IT IS YOUR SERVER ROOM. BUT IT'S ALSO BEING USED FOR STORAGE AND ALL KINDS OF OTHER STUFF. THE ONE ON THE BOTTOM IS YOUR SERVER ROOM. THIS IS WHERE THE BRAINS OF YOUR OPERATION IS KEPT. THIS IS WHERE ALL THE INFORMATION IS THAT NEEDS TO BE PROTECTED. YOU KNOW, LITERALLY AND VIRTUALLY. AND SO THIS THIS AREA IS OFF LIMITS. IT'S INCREDIBLY SECURE. YOU HAVE TO SIGN IN AND OUT. ONLY CERTAIN PEOPLE CAN GO IN AND HAVE ACCESS TO IT WITHOUT BEING ACCOMPANIED BY SOMEBODY ELSE. YOUR TRAINING IS EVERYTHING. YOU KNOW, YOU IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE NOT IN THE BEST SHAPE YOU CAN BE IN, THEN I THINK YOU NEED TO WORK A LITTLE HARDER 
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BECAUSE THE JOB OF A POLICEMAN IS VERY STRENUOUS AND THEY NEED TO BE IN THE BEST. HAVING AMPLE AREA AND AMPLE. EQUIPMENT TO WORK OUT ON AND KEEP UP WITH IS REALLY IMPORTANT. YOU CAN SEE DOWN BELOW. WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A LOT OF FRILLS IN THIS AREA. IT DOESN'T HAVE A DROP CEILING, IT DOESN'T HAVE THIS, IT DOESN'T HAVE THAT. BUT IT DOES HAVE IS SPACE AND IT DOES HAVE AREAS WITHIN IT. IT DOES HAVE BRANDING ON THE WALLS TO, TO MAKE YOU TO KIND OF PSYCH YOU UP TO BE YOUR BEST. IT ALLOWS YOU TO TRAIN TOGETHER THINGS LIKE THAT. IT ALLOWS YOU TO KEEP IN YOUR PEAK SHAPE SO THAT YOU CAN DO THE JOB. THIS ALSO HAS TO DO A LOT WITH RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION. IT COSTS A LOT OF MONEY TO RECRUIT AND TRAIN SOMEONE TO BE A POLICE OFFICER, AND FOR THEM TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE JUST BECAUSE THEIR FACILITIES ARE BETTER FOR NOT A LOT MORE MONEY, OR MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY, IS WASTEFUL. AND SO JUST PROVIDING THEM WITH THE ABILITY TO BE AT THEIR UTMOST TRAINED BEST IS, IS IS SPEAKS VOLUMES FOR A DEPARTMENT. AND THEN JUST ADDITIONAL STORAGE UP TOP, YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL STORAGE AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT IT'S BEING USED FOR. IT'S A MISHMASH OF STUFF. ADDITIONAL STORAGE SHOULD JUST BE CLEAN AND SHOULD BE JUST THAT. AND THESE ADDITIONAL STORAGE ROOMS DOWN THE BOTTOM RIGHT ARE ALSO CAN BE SEEN AS AS SHELF SPACE THAT IN THE FUTURE WE DESIGN THESE SPACES, THIS ADDITIONAL STORAGE SPACE, EVEN THOUGH THE PROGRAM DOESN'T NECESSARILY CALL FOR IT IF WE PUT IT IN THERE IN THE FUTURE, IF WE PLACE IT AT THE APPROPRIATE LOCATION, IT CAN BECOME USABLE PROGRAM SPACE JUST BY PUTTING A FEW WALLS IN AND A CEILING AND THE LIGHT FIXTURE. AND BECAUSE WE'LL WE'LL RUN THE CONDUIT, WE'LL RUN THE ELECTRICITY, EVERYTHING ELSE, SO THOSE SPACES CAN BECOME WHATEVER THEY NEED TO BE. AND WE KNOW WHAT THEY NEED TO BE BECAUSE WE DID A GOOD JOB ON THE SPACE ASSESSMENT. AND THAT TELLS YOU EXACTLY HOW YOUR DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO GROW OVER THE YEARS. SO THAT'S KIND OF ALL THE THE GOOD, THE BAD, THE UGLY, BASED ON WHAT YOU'VE SEEN IN YOUR EXISTING FACILITIES AND WHAT YOU MIGHT SEE IF YOU WENT TO A NEWER FACILITY, WE WANTED TO LOOK AT THE SITE. WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE EXISTING CITY HALL EXISTING SITE IS THE SITE THAT WE NEED TO REALLY FOCUS ON AT THIS POINT. WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE THRILLED TO DO SO. IT'S A GOOD SITE. IT'S THE ONE THAT WE'VE PREPARED OUR PRESENTATION ORIGINALLY FROM. WE'VE GOT AN EXISTING CITY HALL THERE, AN EXISTING BUILDING WITH SOME PARKING ON EITHER SIDE. TO THE LEFT OF THAT IS ALSO A CITY OWNED SITE. IT'S WHAT HAS A BUILDING THAT HAS BEEN RE RETROFITTED TO BE THE IT AND FINANCE DEPARTMENTS OF THE OF THE CITY, AND THAT'S GREAT. THE GOOD THING AND WHAT WE WERE THINKING IS ANNIE HAD THIS IDEA WAS, HEY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S REALLY AN OFFICE BUILDING. IT'S NOTHING BUT OFFICE SPACE. THERE'S NOTHING SPECIAL ABOUT IT. IT'S NOT AN ESSENTIAL FACILITY. IF YOU MOVE THOSE FOLKS OUT, FIND THEM A DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT HOUSE, THAT PORTION OF THE SITE MIGHT BE ABLE TO TO AVAIL ITSELF FOR BEING UTILIZED. SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO DISMISS THAT ALTOGETHER. AND IT DOES EMAIL US WITH SOME EXTRA KIND OF AMENITIES THAT THE CENTER SITE THAT'S KIND OF HEMMED IN ON BOTH SIDES DOESN'T PROVIDE US. SO WE'VE COME UP WITH FOUR DIFFERENT OPTIONS OF, OF MASTER PLANS. AND AND PLEASE UNDERSTAND, THESE ARE VERY, VERY PRELIMINARY. WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR ABOUT A MONTH AND A HALF NOW. SO THESE ARE VERY PRELIMINARY. THIS IS UTILIZING THE CENTER SITE ONLY. THIS WOULD BE A PHASED PROJECT. 
          WHAT WE WOULD DO BECAUSE THE PD CAN'T MOVE OUT. THEY'VE GOT ALL THEIR EVIDENCE THERE TO MOVE EVIDENCE AND TO MOVE IT BACK AND TO MOVE COMMUNICATIONS AND TO MOVE IT BACK. THOSE ARE ALL VERY EXPENSIVE THINGS TO DO. HOWEVER, WHAT'S IN THE EXISTING CITY HALL ISN'T QUITE AS HARD TO MOVE. SO WHAT WE LOOKED AT HERE WAS TO TAKE AND DEMOLISH, MOVE OUT. THE FOLKS IN CITY HALL AND COURTS FIND A DIFFERENT TEMPORARY LOCATION FOR THEM. BUILD A NEW PD AND COURTS FACILITY THAT WOULD HOUSE BOTH PD AND COURTS AND THE CUP. THAT'S THAT'S A A UTILITY PLANT, CENTRAL UTILITY PLANT. THAT'S WHERE WE KEEP ALL OF THE COMPRESSORS AND, AND 
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CHILLERS, GENERATORS AND MEP EQUIPMENT, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THAT'S A PROTECTED ENVIRONMENT WHERE WE KEEP ALL OF THAT EQUIPMENT. SO WE WOULD BUILD THE NEW POLICE AND THE COURTS FACILITIES. WE WOULD MOVE PD OUT OF THEIR BUILDING, MOVE THEM INTO THE THE NEW POLICE BUILDING THAT'S FULLY FUNCTIONING. AND THEN WE WOULD RAISE THE EXISTING POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND WE WOULD ADD THE ADDITIONAL PUBLIC PARKING THAT NEEDS TO BE AVAILABLE FOR THE COURTS USES. AND THEN WE WOULD THEN MOVE THE COURTS BACK IN AND WE WOULD HAVE A FULLY FUNCTIONING NEW POLICE AND COURTS BUILDING WITH SECURED PARKING, WHICH IS THE DARK ORANGE IN THE BACK, AND PUBLIC PARKING, WHICH IS THE LIGHTER ORANGE IN THE FRONT. NOW ONE, ONE IMPORTANT THING TO UNDERSTAND HERE IS THE BIG BLACK LINE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SITE, WHICH SHOWS THE EGRESS AND INGRESS FOR THIS SECURED PARKING. THERE'S ONLY ONE INGRESS EGRESS. SO IF SOMETHING HAPPENED AT THE AT THE MOUTH OF THAT INGRESS EGRESS, YOU CAN IMAGINE PEOPLE CAN'T GET IN AND OUT FROM THE SECURED AREA. SO IF THE POLICE MOST OF THE TIME POLICE GO TO A A CALL WHILE THEY'RE ON THE BEAT, SO THEY'RE COMING FROM A DIFFERENT PART OF THE FROM THE CITY. BUT IF THEY'RE IF THEY HAPPEN TO BE IN THE BUILDING WHEN THEY GET THE CALL AND THEY HAVE TROUBLE GETTING OUT, THAT POSES A PROBLEM. NOW, YOU DO HAVE LEFT AND RIGHT ACCESS, WHICH IS GOOD. AND IT'S A IT'S A GOOD THOROUGHFARE. SO IT'S NOT A BAD THE THE EAST WHEATLAND ROAD. IT'S NOT A BAD ROAD AT ALL. AND THE LOCATION OF THAT INGRESS EGRESS IS NOT A BAD THING AT ALL. IT'S JUST THAT THERE'S ONLY ONE. AND SO THERE'S NOT A SECONDARY OPTION IF YOU CAN'T GET OUT OF THERE WHEN YOU NEED TO GET OUT OF THERE. SO WE DO HAVE KIND OF A SECONDARY ONE SHOWN UP AT THE ON THE LEFT SIDE THERE WHERE IT SAYS SECURED ACCESS. BUT THAT MEANS YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THE PARKING LOT INTO A ROAD THAT'S OFFSITE BEFORE YOU HIT A MAIN ROAD, WHICH WOULD BE SOUTH MAIN STREET, AND THE SECOND IN THE SECOND OPTION THAT WE DID. WE LOOKED AT THIS OPTION, WHICH WOULD MOVE THE FOLKS FROM IT AND FINANCE OUT, AND WE WOULD DEMOLISH THAT BUILDING. INSTEAD, WE WOULD ADD A NEW POLICE AND COURTS BUILDING WHERE IT'S SHOWN THERE IN BLUE WITH THE WITH THE CENTRAL UTILITY UP AT THE VERY TOP THERE THEY HAVE THE BLUE BOX UP THERE WE GET SIGNIFICANTLY MORE SECURE PARKING. YOU CAN TELL THERE THAT WE'VE GOT THE PUBLIC PARKING THAT WOULD FACE THE NEW SPORTS FACILITY AND PROVIDE FOR THE COURTS. WE'VE GOT AN EMERGENCY EGRESS FROM THE SECURED AREAS THAT IS DEDICATED TO POLICE FUNCTIONS THAT COULD BE COMING OUT TO SOUTH MAIN STREET. WE'VE ALSO MAINTAINED THE ONE THAT GOES OUT TO WHEATLAND ROAD AS WELL. IN THIS OPTION, WE WOULD BUILD THE NEW POLICE COURTS BUILDING, MOVE THE POLICE COURTS OVER THERE, AND THEN TEAR DOWN THE EXISTING PD, WHICH WOULD LEAVE YOUR CITY HALL AS IS, AND IT COULD BE UTILIZED HOWEVER YOU WANT TO USE IT. WHETHER CITY HALL MAINTAINS THERE AND EXPANDS WITHIN THERE OR NOT, THAT WOULD BE UP TO YOU. BUT THIS LEAVES CITY HALL AS IS, BUT DOES TAKE OUT THE THE EXISTING POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND THEN WE WOULD WE WOULD ADD ADDITIONAL PUBLIC PARKING SPACES OVER THERE. ONCE WE TAKE THE, THE POLICE, THE EXISTING POLICE STATION OUT, AND THEN IT WOULD BECOME A FULLY FUNCTIONING AREA. OPTION C, WHICH I THINK IS AT PRESENT SORT OF OUR FAVORITE. RODNEY, HANG ON ONE SECOND QUESTION. SO THE TO THE LEFT THERE, WE'RE STILL TAKING THE IT AND FINANCE OUT OR WE WOULD KNOW WE'RE NOT. NO WE'RE NOT. YES I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE IN THE ROOM. YEAH. YES SIR. SO FOR THE I THINK ON BOTH OF THESE EXISTING PD THIS ONE AS WELL AS YOU SAY PHASED OUT AND THAT MEANS THAT WOULD BE DEMOED. YES SIR. AND AND SO SO RIGHT NOW THE THE OLD OLD LIBRARY, THE ANNEX BUILDING IS KIND OF OVERFLOW FOR STAFF. 
          SO WHY WOULDN'T WE MOVE, MAINTAIN THE EXISTING POLICE DEPARTMENT BUILDING AND PUT YOUR OTHER DEPARTMENTS IN THAT BUILDING? WELL, IT WOULD LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF PUBLIC PARKING THAT WE COULD HAVE. THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT'S I KNOW, I KNOW THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT WHY DO WE NEED A, YOU KNOW, A 6 TO 7 ACRE SITE. AND THERE, THERE THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT 
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WAYS. AND THE, THE MAIN REASON BEING PUBLIC PARKING AND AND SECURED PARKING, IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE SECURE PARKING AND MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN POLICE PARKING, COURTS, PARKING AND THEN PUBLIC PARKING, BECAUSE WE DON'T REALLY WANT THAT TO MIX. WE WANT TO KEEP EVERYBODY SAFE. THE OTHER WAY OF PARKING WOULD BE TO DO PARKING STRUCTURE. IF WE'RE IF WE'RE DOING A SMALLER IF WE'RE DOING A SMALLER LOT SIZE, WE COULD DO A PUBLIC PARKING LOT, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC PARKING STRUCTURE. THE DIFFERENCE, THOUGH IS THAT SURFACE PARKING, ASPHALT PARKING, THAT'S THAT'S STRIPED COSTS ABOUT $3,500 PER SPACE FOR THE WORK THAT GOES INTO IT AND FOR THE COST OF IT. IF YOU GO TO A STRUCTURED PARKING, A PARKING DECK THAT INCREASES TO 35 TO $36,000 PER PARKING SPOT. AND SO IF WE CAN FIND A SITE THAT WOULD AVAIL US TO HAVE SURFACE PARKING VERSUS STRUCTURED PARKING, YOU'RE GOING TO SAVE A TON OF MONEY. ULTIMATELY. SO THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY REASON I WOULD SAY THAT THAT THE UCPD BUILDING WOULD NEED TO BE PHASED OUT. AND PLEASE AGAIN, UNDERSTAND THESE ARE VERY PRELIMINARY AND THEY'RE BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. WE'RE ABOUT HALFWAY THROUGH OUR PROCESS, AND WE'VE STILL GOT A LOT OF DIGGING TO DO. THIS IS SORT OF A PRELIMINARY PRESENTATION TO KIND OF SHOW THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE GOING AND GET YOUR INPUT ON. SO THESE QUESTIONS LIKE YOU JUST ASKED ARE INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT, AND WE'D LOVE TO KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER PARAMETERS YOU WANT US TO CONSIDER, BECAUSE THAT WILL TAKE EVERYTHING INTO ACCOUNT WHEN WE COME UP WITH THE FINAL PLANS. WELL, I GUESS AS FAR AS THE SO THE INPUT PART OF THIS IS JUST TRYING TO SEE WHAT THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND UNDERSTANDING THIS PRELIMINARY WHERE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE OTHER DEPARTMENTAL STAFF AREN'T CRAMMED INTO CITY HALL OR SOMEWHERE ELSE, BECAUSE I GUESS THAT'LL BE A. ANOTHER ISSUE WE'LL HAVE TO DEAL WITH AT SOME POINT. RODNEY, IF I COULD CHIME IN REALLY QUICKLY. SO THE OTHER PART TO THIS, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO UNDERSTAND IS WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER SITE BASED ON WHAT THE PRELIMINARY NEEDS ASSESSMENT IS. AFTER THE FIRST TWO ROUNDS OF ELIMINATING SQUARE FOOTAGE AND LIKE RODNEY SAYING WE'LL WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO THAT, TO GO BACK AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE REALLY FOCUSING ON JUST WHAT WE NEED. AND SO RIGHT NOW IN OUR PREVIOUS OBVIOUSLY OUR UPDATE, WE TALKED ABOUT THE INABILITY TO BUILD ON THE EXISTING SITE JUST WHERE PD IS RIGHT NOW TO GO UP. AND SO WHAT CAN WE HORN AEG IS DOING IS LOOKING AT WITHOUT HAVING ANY ADDITIONAL SITE, ANY OTHER CITY OWNED LAND OR POTENTIAL HYPOTHETICALLY, AT THIS POINT, WHAT COULD WE DO IN THIS SPOT? WHAT ARE THOSE OPTIONS? SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE THAT CONTEXT THERE BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T EXPLORED ANY ADDITIONAL SITES AT THIS POINT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. YEAH. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. AND SO THIS OPTION SHOWS A NEW POLICE AND COURTS BUILDING. AND THE FACE OF THE THE FACE OF THE POLICE AND COURTS IS FACING TO THE RIGHT AND SORT OF THE BACK, EVEN THOUGH IT WON'T BE, IT WON'T THE BACK OF A BUILDING. BUT THE BACK IS TOWARDS MAIN STREET AND THE, THE LARGEST SIDE OF THE POLICE AND COURTS WOULD FACE WHEATON ROAD. WE WHEATLAND ROAD. THE THE THE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAKES US LIKE THIS THE BEST IS YOUR EXISTING CITY HALL. THAT THAT KIND OF. ODDLY ARTICULATED SHAPE YOU YOU ENTER INTO CITY HALL THROUGH THE LEFT, KIND OF THE BOTTOM LEFT SIDE WHERE THAT ANGLED WALL IS. AND THAT BRINGS YOU INTO CITY HALL. WE THOUGHT THIS WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL IN THAT WE COULD BUILD THE THE NEW POLICE FACILITY, AND THEN IT WOULD BE A COMPLEMENT TO THE EXISTING HALL FACILITY BY BY CONNECTING THEM WITH AN ENTRY PLAZA AND THEN ADDING SOME PUBLIC PARKING THERE. WHAT THIS ALSO ALLOWS US TO DO, IF IT'S DECIDED THAT IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL, IS TO LEAVE COURTS WHERE IT IS IN CITY HALL, MAKE THE NEW POLICE BUILDING A LITTLE SMALLER, BUT IT'S STILL GOT THAT DIRECT CONNECTION. IT'S JUST RIGHT ACROSS AN ENTRY PLAZA FROM FROM EACH OTHER. SO INSTEAD OF BEING CO-LOCATED THERE WITHIN THE 
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SAME CAMPUS, THEY'RE THEY'RE RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER VERY MUCH LIKE THEY ARE RIGHT NOW. 
          YOU JUST WALK ACROSS THE TO THAT, AND IT MAKES IT SORT OF A KIND OF A CITY COMPLEX, IF YOU WILL, KIND OF A CAMPUS IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT THAT WAY. AND THEN THE OTHER, THE OTHER THING, THESE ARE ALL BASED ON THREE STORY POLICE FACILITIES. YOU CAN TALK TO THE CHIEF. THE CHIEF WILL TELL YOU THAT A TWO STORY FACILITY, THERE'S A LOT, PROBABLY ABOUT 60% OF THE PROGRAM SPACE WANTS TO BE ON THE FIRST FLOOR OF A POLICE FACILITY. THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT WORKS. PATROL WANTS TO BE ON THE FIRST FLOOR. EVIDENCE. EVIDENCE PROCESSING WANTS TO BE ON THE FIRST FLOOR. THE LOBBY HAS TO BE ON THE FIRST FLOOR. COURTS HAS TO BE ON THE FIRST FLOOR. ALL THIS STUFF HAS TO BE ON THE FIRST FLOOR. SO HAVING A THREE STORY FACILITY MEANS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT SOME THINGS ON THE SECOND FLOOR AND THE THIRD FLOOR THAT REALLY WON'T BE ABLE TO FUNCTION. SO WE WANTED TO LOOK AT AND AGAIN, ALL PRELIMINARY, WE WANTED TO LOOK AT ANOTHER OPTION WHERE WE ACTUALLY BUILT A NEW POLICE AND COURTS FACILITY THAT WOULD HOUSE EVERYTHING YOU WOULD NEED FOR POLICE AND COURTS. WE COULD THE PUBLIC PARKING ON MAIN STREET. THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, ESPECIALLY COURTS, WOULD FACE MAIN STREET, WHEREAS THE POLICE WOULD FACE WHEATLAND ROAD. NOW YOU DON'T GET. IN THIS OPTION. YOU HAVE GREAT INGRESS EGRESS FOR THE POLICE. YOU HAVE GREAT SECURE PARKING AREAS. WE THOUGHT ABOUT THE STORMWATER THAT MIGHT BE TO THE TO THE EAST TO THE SITE. BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO TEAR DOWN THE EXISTING PD AND THE EXISTING CITY HALL TO MAKE THIS ONE. A REALITY. AND SO I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT WOULD SIT WITH YOU ALL, BUT WE DO. WE WANT TO THROW IT ALL OUT THERE. IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE THROWING SPAGHETTI INTO A WALL, BUT WE DO WANT TO GIVE YOU AS MANY OPTIONS AS WE POSSIBLY CAN, SO THAT YOU CAN MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION AS TO HOW WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD. AND WE'RE GOING TO TAKE COMMENTS AND GIVE US TONIGHT AND TAKE THOSE TO HEART AND MOVE FORWARD IN A WAY THAT REPRESENTS NOT JUST THE PD AND THE COURTS, WHO WE'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO, BUT ALSO THE CITY'S. AND SO THOSE ARE THE THE OPTIONS THAT WE'VE COME UP WITH. 
          WE DID DO A VERY, VERY, VERY PRELIMINARY OPINION ON PROBABLE COST. WE ASSUME THAT IT'S GOING TO BE APPROXIMATELY FIVE ACRES. THE PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY IS GOING TO BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 71, 73,000FT■!S. AND WE CAN WE N GIVE YOU ALL THE BACKGROUND FOR THAT WITH THE SPECIAL NEEDS ASSESSMENT. BUT ANGEL SAID AGAIN THAT THAT'S BEING WE'RE TRYING TO GET IT AS AS EFFICIENT AND AS SMALL AS POSSIBLE, BECAUSE WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT EVERY SQUARE FOOT EQUATES TO A NUMBER. AND THEN A CENTRAL UTILITY PLANT, WE TEND TO DO A CENTRAL UTILITY PLANT OFF SITE OF THE BUILDING. WE'RE DIVORCED FROM THE BUILDINGS BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT WE DON'T WANT ANY ROOFING ROOF EQUIPMENT ON YOUR ROOF. IF IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THERE, WE'D PREFER IT TO BE ON THE GROUND IN A PROTECTED ENVIRONMENT. IT KEEPS IT SAFE FROM FROM OUTSIDE SOURCES. IF THERE'S A HURRICANE OR TORNADO OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT DOESN'T. IT DOESN'T GET BLOWN OFF THE ROOF. IT JUST KEEPS IT SAFER. AND EVERY SINGLE ROOF PENETRATION, BE IT A DUCT OR A VENT OR ANYTHING ELSE OR A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT SITTING ON THE ROOF, THE BIGGER THE WORSE, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO LEAK. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 50 YEARS. MOST MOST ROOFS ARE WARRANTED FOR ABOUT 20 TO 30 YEARS. BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A 50 YEAR FACILITY. SO WE WANT TO WE WANT TO MAKE THIS AS SECURE AND DURABLE A FACILITY AS ABSOLUTELY POSSIBLE AND GIVE YOU WHAT YOU NEED. AND WE'VE BEEN USING ABOUT 260 SQUARE FOOT SQUARE SPACES FOR A COMBINED FOR BOTH SECURE AND PUBLIC SPACES. SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE OPINIONS OF PROBABLE CAUSE, WE DID IT TWO DIFFERENT WAYS. THIS IS A NEW PUBLIC SAFETY DEVELOPMENT OPTION. A THIS GOES THIS WILL BE A LITTLE BIT MINIMUM. THIS WOULD GO UP TO TEN YEARS OUT AND PROVIDE YOU WITH THE SPACES YOU NEED. IT WOULD ALSO PROVIDE. IT WOULD ALSO GIVE YOU SHELL SPACE THAT COULD BE CONVERTED TO PROGRAM SPACE IN THE FUTURE. THAT'S WHAT THE $715,000 THERE IS. WE LOOKED AT THE PARKING. WE LOOKED AT THE CENTRAL UTILITY PLANT ALLOWANCE THAT THAT INCLUDES ALL SECURITY TECHNOLOGY FEES. WE WE LOOKED AT DEMOLISHING THE EXISTING 
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FACILITIES. WE LOOKED AT HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST TO TO DEVELOP THE SITE AND HOW MANY. 
          IT'S ABOUT 3 TO $400,000 PER ACRE IS WHAT WE FIND WORKING WITH TIM HORN. IT'S GOT THE SITE SECURITY ALLOWANCES AND PERIMETER WALLS, ALL THAT KIND OF GOOD STUFF. AND IT ALSO FACTORS IN ALL THE SOFT COSTS. THE SOFT COSTS ARE YOUR FIXTURES, FURNITURE AND EQUIPMENT, WHICH IS OVER AND ABOVE THE COST OF THE BRICKS AND MORTAR. THE INTERIOR TECHNOLOGY SYSTEMS THAT SECURITY NETWORKS, DATA NETWORKS, AV, ALL THAT KIND OF GOOD STUFF. ANY OF THE PERMITTING FEES, THE PROFESSIONAL FEES, ANY KIND OF TESTING THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE BY THE CITY. MOVING COSTS, WHICH ARE GENERALLY HANDLED BY THE CITY. AND THEN AGAIN, ESCALATION COSTS, BECAUSE WE KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE A COUPLE YEARS INTO THE FUTURE. SO WE DID A 5% ANNUALLY FOR TWO YEARS OF COMPOUNDING INTEREST, AND WE THOUGHT THAT WAS A PRETTY SAFE NUMBER TO PUT IN THERE. AND THEN WE PUT A PROJECT CONTINUOUSLY. AT THIS POINT, A 10% CONTINGENCY IS GOOD TO HAVE JUST TO KEEP US SAFE FOR CHANGES THAT MIGHT HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE. YES, I SEE A HAND. SORRY. SO I SEE UP HERE NEW PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING, POLICE AND MUNICIPAL COURT. I SEE A DEMOLITION OF EXISTING CITY HALL AND I DON'T SEE REBUILDING OF CITY HALL. THAT'S CORRECT. THAT WOULD NOT BE IN THIS BUDGET. THIS WOULD THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT. YEAH, THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT BUDGET, I GUESS. AND WE DID NOT INCLUDE THAT IN THIS BUDGET. I NOTICED. ALSO, I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO FAR INTO THE WEEDS, BUT DOES THIS ALSO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT FEEDS OFF OF OUR PARK? AND I'M TALKING ABOUT SHEETS ACROSS FROM WHERE THE CURRENT 103 BUILDING IS ALL THE WAY ACROSS TO CITY HALL PARKING LOT THAT IN A HEAVY RAIN IT DOESN'T. IT DOESN'T FOLLOW A DISTINCT PATTERN. IT SHEETS ACROSS. SO HAS THAT BEEN INCORPORATED INTO SOME OF THE ENGINEERING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO WITH THAT WATER? YEAH, I'M GOING TO TALK TO THAT BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S REALLY HER WAX HERE. BUT BUT BUT YES OKAY. ALL RIGHT. YES. THAT SITE COST IS GENERALIZED. IT WOULD INCORPORATE ANY ONE ENGINEERING AND STUDIES THAT HAVE TO BE DONE TO CHECK WHERE THE WATER IS ACTUALLY GOING AND THEN TO ALLOW FOR US TO EITHER REROUTE IT, DETAIN IT OR DISCHARGE IT. LARRY AND I HAVE LOOKED AT OPTIONS TO ON UNDERGROUND DETENTION VERSUS SURFACE DETENTION AS WELL. EVEN IF YOU WERE TO PAY THE ENTIRE SITE, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN DETENTION, AND WE'RE SEEING COSTS RIGHT NOW, ABOUT $13 A CUBIC YARD FOR UNDERGROUND DETENTION. SO EVEN IF YOU WERE TO PAVE THIS ENTIRE SITE AND DO UNDERGROUND DETENTION, WE'RE ONLY LOOKING AT AROUND $250,000 RIGHT NOW FOR UNDERGROUND. BUT THAT IS TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION IN THIS ESTIMATE THAT YOU'RE SEEING. WELL, WE GOT THE HAND UP. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU I'M GOING TO STOP THIS SHARING. THAT'S OKAY. I CAN SEE YOU. ALL RIGHT. RODNEY ANNIE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. THANKS, EVERYBODY, FOR BEING HERE WITH US THIS EVENING. SO I WANTED TO JUST SHARE WITH THE GROUP THAT AS PART OF THEIR PRESENTATION, WHEN WE DID OUR RFP PROCESS, THEY WERE ABLE TO SHARE WITH US SOME PRETTY DYNAMIC ITEMS THAT THEY'VE DONE IN OTHER PLACES. ARE WE ARE WE READY FOR THAT OR DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE FOR US? YES WE ARE, I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T CARE. BEFORE YOU SHARE. 
          I'M VERY SORRY. LET ME LET ME GO TO THAT. YES. SO WE HAVE DEVELOPMENT OPTION A AND THEN B, RIGHT. YEAH. LET ME, LET ME JUST GET BACK INTO PRESENTATION MODE HERE. OH THERE WE GO. OKAY. 
          THIS IS A THIS IS A PROJECT THAT LET ME LET ME JUST STOP IT AND START IT OVER AND DESCRIBE IT A LITTLE BIT. THIS IS A PROJECT THAT WE WENT AFTER WE HAVEN'T HEARD YET WHERE WE'VE GOTTEN IT OFFICIALLY OR NOT, IN PLANO FOR THE PLANO PUBLIC SAFETY. IT'S GOT POLICE AND FIRE. THIS IS THE LARGER PROJECT THAN WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, BUT THESE ARE JUST 
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CAPABILITIES OF RESOURCES THAT WE CAN PUT TOGETHER THAT HELP EXPLAIN. NUMBER ONE, HELP YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. BUT IT ALSO HELPS TO CONVEY THAT TO THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE. SO IF YOU DO NEED TO GET COMMUNITY APPROVAL FOR ALL THIS, YOU'VE GOT THE RESOURCES AND THE TOOLS TO DO IT. SO THIS THIS IS A MOVIE THAT WE PUT TOGETHER FOR THE PLANO POLICE FACILITY OR POLICE COMPLEX. IT WAS RIGHT ON THE THE EDGE OF A PARK, WHICH YOU CAN SEE TO THE LEFT. AND THEY WANTED TO REALLY INCORPORATE. WE WANT TO INCORPORATE THE PD AND THE THE MUNICIPAL COMPLEX INTO THE PICKLEBALL COURTS AND THE TENNIS COURTS. AND SO WE WERE ABLE TO CREATE THIS VIDEO WE TOOK WE TOOK PARK BUILDINGS OUT OF OTHER PARKS AROUND THE CITY, WHICH IS WHAT'S IN FRONT OF THEM. AND WE DEPICTED HOW IT MIGHT LOOK, YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS IN THIS TYPE OF THE PARK, WE CAN WALK AROUND THE COMPLEX, WE CAN SHOW YOU WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE. WE CALL IT WYSIWYG. WHAT YOU SEE IS WHAT YOU GET. 
          THERE ARE NO SURPRISES. YOU KNOW, WE CAN WE CAN LET YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE AND EXACTLY HOW IT WOULD IMPACT THE CITY AND AND WHAT THE COMMUNITY WOULD BE GETTING FOR THEIR MONEY. AND WE FOUND THESE, THESE TOOLS TO BE INCREDIBLY USEFUL IN HELPING TO CONVINCE PEOPLE THAT THE EXPENDITURE OF THEIR TAXPAYER DOLLARS ARE WORTH, YOU KNOW, WHAT MIGHT BE A CUP OF COFFEE AT STARBUCKS ONCE A WEEK? THAT MIGHT BE WHERE THEIR TAXES INCREASE, YOU KNOW, SO IT MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, $100 A YEAR OR $200 A YEAR THAT WE GIVE THEM FACILITIES SIMILAR TO THIS. SO THIS IS JUST KIND OF A. A DEPICTION OF SOME OF THE CAPABILITIES THAT WE HAVE AS A, AS A DESIGN TEAM TO HELP YOU. IN YOUR ENDEAVORS. OUR GOAL IS TO MAKE YOUR LIFE A LITTLE BIT EASIER. QUITE HONESTLY, THAT'S WHAT WE THAT'S WHAT WE TELL EVERYONE. WE WANT TO GIVE YOU ALL THE RESOURCES THAT WE CAN. THEN AT THE END OF IT, THERE YOU GO. SORRY, I FORGOT ABOUT THAT. THANKS, RODNEY. IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WITHIN THE GROUP? DID Y'ALL HAVE ANYTHING ELSE FOR US FOR THE TEAM ON SITE? HI THERE. 
          SO WE'RE KIND OF PREPARED. WE ARE IN TRANSITION PREPARING FOR THE FINAL PRESENTATION, IF YOU WILL, AT THIS PHASE ON THE 20TH. SO WE'LL TAKE WHATEVER QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVE HERE AND SHARE THOSE WITH KIMLEY-HORN. ATG ABSOLUTELY PUT TOGETHER AN FAQ AND THEN ANY TWEAKS THAT WE NEED TO DO OR EXCUSE ME, SORRY, WE CAN'T USE THAT WORD. TWEAK ANY ADJUSTMENTS OR REVISIONS THAT WE NEED TO DO TO THE PRESENTATION. THEN WE'LL WE'LL DO THAT AS WELL. AND THEN ALSO HAVE A SLIDE FOR WHAT NEXT STEPS WOULD LOOK LIKE. SO THAT'S EVERYTHING FROM THE THE CHAMPION TEAM AND THE CO-CHAMPION TEAM FOR TONIGHT. 
          THANK YOU ALL FOR JOINING US. WE APPRECIATE YOU. AND WE'LL CIRCLE UP LATER ON THIS WEEK. 
          THANK YOU RODNEY LARRY, PETER AND ANNIE. HAVE A GREAT NIGHT. THANKS EVERYONE. IT WAS A PLEASURE. THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU ANDREW I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT ASKING BUT CAN WE GET COPIES OF THE PRESENTATION? YES, SIR. OKAY. SURE. THAT. THAT CAN BE MINIMIZED. SO WE'LL SHARE THE PRESENTATION AND THEN WE'LL ALSO HAVE THE DEVELOPMENT COST, THE ESTIMATE THAT HAS THE ITEMIZED THE LINE ITEMS AS WELL. SO WE'LL SHARE THAT TO. THANK YOU. YEAH. WE'LL HEAR FROM CHIEF STONE FROM WHAT WE SAW SO FAR AT THIS POINT WE FELT LIKE WE'RE ABOUT 50% OF THE WAY AS FAR AS WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO SHOW US. BUT WHAT WE'VE SEEN SO FAR, WHAT'S WHAT WOULD BE THE PREFERENCE OR WHAT DO YOU ALL SEE IS MEETING YOUR NEEDS. SO WE WE MET THIS AFTERNOON AND I HAVE THE SLIDES. SO ON OPTION I BELIEVE IT WAS SEE WHERE IT 
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KEPT CITY HALL INTACT. BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU GUYS NEED AN AREA TO HOLD YOUR MEETINGS. AND I ALSO UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR THE PERSONNEL IN THE ANNEX AND EXPANDING THAT AS WELL, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE HAD ENOUGH ROOM FOR THEM. THEY WOULD STAY HERE AND THAT LOCATION WILL BE EMPTY. 
          SO I ASKED HIM ABOUT THAT, ULTIMATELY RETAINING POLICE TO WHERE CITY HALL CAN EXPAND INTO THERE. WE WOULD LOSE SOME PARKING AND THERE'S SOME OPTIONS THERE, AND IT WOULD DEPEND REALLY ON WHAT WE DO WITH TRAINING. ULTIMATELY, MY GOAL IS TO HOUSE A LOT OF TRAINING HERE AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE FACILITY, WE'RE LOOKING AT 50 PEOPLE. ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO WORK WITH IS LEADERSHIP TRAINING, AND THAT COULD BE CITYWIDE AS WELL. THIS ISN'T JUST SPECIFIC TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO THAT IS WHAT I SEE USING THE SITE THAT WE HAVE HERE AND NOT LOOKING ELSEWHERE. YOU KNOW, IT'S TRYING TO PUT A PUZZLE PIECE TOGETHER WITH LIMITED INFORMATION AND LIMITED SIZING. 
          SO OPTION C, WHICH IS, IF YOU RECALL, IS THIS ONE HERE. IF THAT'S BIG ENOUGH FOR YOU GUYS, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO PASS IT AROUND IS WHAT I PREFER. NOW, HOW THEY'RE ABLE TO KEEP IT ON THIS SITE IS OBVIOUSLY, AS YOU PUT IT, GOING UP AS YOU GO UP, OBVIOUSLY THE SIZE SHRINK AND AS WE GO BACK AND IF WE NEED TO REDUCE ANYTHING, OBVIOUSLY THAT WILL START GOING DOWN AS WELL. SO I THINK THE BIG THING TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION IS WHAT DOES POLICING LOOK LIKE 50 YEARS FROM NOW? I WISH I COULD ANSWER THAT QUESTION. WHAT DOES POLICING LOOK LIKE TEN YEARS FROM NOW? THERE'S BEEN SO MUCH ADVANCEMENT IN TECHNOLOGY OVER THE PAST TEN YEARS. NONE OF US, WHEN WE STARTED, HAD ANY IDEA THAT WE WOULD BE WHERE WE ARE NOW. SO HOW DO WE ADVANCE THAT MOVING FORWARD? THE OTHER THING I'M LOOKING AT IS CONTACTING REGIONAL PARTNERS. WHAT I WOULD LIKE IS OUR REAL TIME INFORMATION CENTER TO BE REGIONALIZED TO WHERE CEDAR HILL HAS PERSONNEL IN THERE. DESOTO HAS PERSONNEL IN THERE BECAUSE OUR SUSPECTS THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH AREN'T JUST HITTING US. IT'S IT'S REGIONAL. 
          AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, PARTNER WITH A FEDERAL AGENCIES, WHETHER IT'S FBI OR WHOMEVER, TO COME IN AND OFFSET SOME OF THIS COST AS WELL. I KNOW THERE'S SEVERAL AGENCIES WHO HAVE NEW FACILITIES AND THAT DO JUST THAT, AND THEY'RE ABLE TO CHARGE RENT ESSENTIALLY FOR THIS, THIS TEAM TO COME IN AND GUESS WHAT? YOU GET, YOU GET SOME OF THAT PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT BECAUSE THEY'RE HOUSED INSIDE THEIR STATION. SO IT'S THAT ALONE IS A FORCE MULTIPLIER AS WELL. SO THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES INTO THIS. THERE'S A LOT OF ROOM. I MEAN YOU GUYS SAW IT 68,000FT■!S. I WOULD HAVE NEVER BET IN A MILLION YEARS I WOULD BE ON THIS TABLE TALKING AND DISCUSSING THIS WITH YOU GUYS. SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A NEED. 
          YOU GUYS SEEN THE PHOTOS? IT'S EMBARRASSING WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR RECRUITS IN REPORT WRITING, DOING TRAINING, WHEN OFFICERS ARE IN THERE TRYING TO DO REPORTS. HOW DO I CONTINUE TO RECRUIT PEOPLE WHEN WE HAVE A FACILITY LIKE THAT? SO WHEN YOU SEE GOING FROM ABOUT 14,000FT■!S TO 70 OR 60,000FT■!S, THAT'S A MAJOR JUMP. BUT IT'S THAT NEED. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT SPECIFICALLY. YES, SIR. ONE OF THE THINGS WE DIDN'T GET INTO THE DETAILS ON, AND IT MAY BE PREMATURE, BUT THIS IS PROMOTED AS A DISCUSSION ON THE POLICE AND COURTS SPECIAL NEEDS. 
          SPECIAL NEEDS. SO WE DIDN'T WE DIDN'T REALLY GET TO LOOK AT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE. SO I'M ASSUMING BUT ONLY ASSUMING THAT WE HAVE WITHIN THIS ALLOWANCE OF 69,000FT■!S. IS THAT WHAT YOU S? IT'S AROUND 64,000. 64,000 THAT THAT THERE'S DISCUSSIONS OR THERE WILL BE DISCUSSIONS WITH COURTS SO THAT THEY CAN REALLY FEEL WHAT THEY'RE GETTING IN THIS, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED THAT AT ALL. SO COURTS WENT THROUGH THE SAME SPECIAL NEEDS ASSESSMENT AS WE DID. THEY MET WITH ADG, PROVIDED THEM WITH BEST PRACTICES THAT THEY NEED, AND I BELIEVE THEY'RE AROUND 6700FT■!, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. OKAY, OKAY. SO THEY HAVE BEEN IN THIS CONVERSATION AS WELL. YEAH. OKAY. THE OTHER THING, THIS IS WAY OUT THERE, BUT WHAT ABOUT THOUGHTS THAT ONE DAY THAT WE WON'T HAVE A TRI-CITY JAIL AND 
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THAT IT COMES BACK TO US? WELL, HOPEFULLY THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN. BECAUSE IF IT DOES, THEN YOU PROBABLY NEED TO ADD ABOUT 40% TO THAT. AND THE REASON WHY I SAY THAT BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SECURE FACILITY, THEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE PERSONNEL TO TO MAN IT. SO IT'S A SIGNIFICANT COST. I HAVE HEARD I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS ACCURATE OR NOT, SO PLEASE DO NOT TAKE IT FROM AS AS GOSPEL THAT I BELIEVE DALLAS COUNTY IS LOOKING AT DEVELOPING A NEW FACILITY DOWN IN THE SOUTHERN AREA OF DALLAS COUNTY, WHICH WE WOULD THEN CERTAINLY MOVE OVER THERE. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. MR. KOONTZ, ONE MORE QUESTION AND THEN ONE COMMENT. 
          SO ARE THERE ANY CONCERNS WITH BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED MOST THAT FIRST FLOOR IS WHERE YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING WANTS TO BE. I MEAN, ARE THERE ANY CONCERNS? I MEAN, MAYBE I IMAGINE A COUPLE OF YEARS LATER AND SOMEONE SAYING, MAN, WHY DID THEY PUT THIS ON THE THIRD FLOOR, YOU KNOW, YES. 
          SO THAT ABSOLUTELY GREAT QUESTION. SO WE GOT KIND OF INTO THE WEEDS WHENEVER WE DISCUSSED THAT WITH ADG EARLIER. THEY HAVE A RECOMMENDED RECOMMENDATION ON WHERE THESE PEOPLE NEED TO GO. ULTIMATELY ALL PUBLIC FACING THINGS, RECORDS, COURTS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE WOULD BE ON THE FIRST FLOOR THING THAT I DON'T AGREE WITH AND WE NEED TO DO SOME MORE DISCUSSING WITH THEM, IS THEY PUT PATROL ON THE SECOND FLOOR. IN MY OPINION, PATROL NEEDS TO BE ON THE FIRST FLOOR AS WELL, IN CASE THEY NEED AN EGRESS AND GET OUT VERY QUICKLY TO A CALL FOR SERVICE. SO AS AS YOU LOOK AT THIS, YOU ONLY HAVE SO MUCH ROOM. SO WHAT WHAT DO YOU SACRIFICE BY MOVING UP ON THE SECOND FLOOR? THAT'S THE ISSUE THAT ULTIMATELY I WILL HAVE TO MAKE US TOGETHER ON WHERE THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING. YES, SIR. IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. 
          AND THEN THE LAST COMMENT ON BACK ON C, OPTION C, SO I'VE PROBABLY PUT MORE MILES ON THAT TRAIL AROUND ARMSTRONG PARK IN THE CITY. AND THERE'S KIND OF A JUST TO THE NORTH WEST CORNER THERE. IT'S IT'S ALMOST AN AWKWARD KIND OF REDUNDANT CURVE. I COULD SEE THAT BEING TAKEN OUT AND JUST KIND OF CURVING JUST ABOVE IT TO BE ABLE TO BRING UP A LITTLE BIT MORE SPACE. YOU SEE WHERE I'M TALKING ABOUT, I DO. I HAD THAT VERY CONVERSATION WITH HIM TODAY WITH THAT SECTION RIGHT THERE. I DO I DON'T KNOW. AND THAT'S AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION WITH HERE IS LISTEN, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PARK. I DON'T WANT TO ENCROACH ANY OF THIS FACILITY IN THERE. HOWEVER, YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND NOW AFTER GOING THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION, THE LACK OF SPACE THAT WE HAVE, ARE WE ABLE TO ENCROACH TO MAKE IT WHERE IT'S SQUARED OFF INSTEAD OF IT COMING DOWN AND THEN BACK OUT? THAT WOULD MOST LIKELY ALLOW US TO REDUCE THE PARKING AND MOVE SOME OF THOSE PUBLIC FACING PARKING UP THERE. SO IT DOES ALLOW US MORE ROOM, OBVIOUSLY. I MEAN, I'LL I CAN'T SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY THAT WALKS AND RUNS OUT THERE, BUT OH YEAH, I COULDN'T SEE A LOT OF BACKLASH AGAINST JUST MOVING THE TRAIL UP A LITTLE BIT AND JUST MAKING THAT MORE CURVED. ANYWAYS, AGAIN, IT'S JUST KIND OF AN AWKWARD LITTLE SECTION ANYWAY. SO CHIEF, WHAT DO YOU ESTIMATE THAT GOING THIS ROUTE SINCE WE OWN THAT PROPERTY, THAT IT SAVES US? IF WE HAD TO GO OUT AND BUY 4 OR 5 ACRES? OH IT'S SIGNIFICANT, YOU KNOW. NOW NOW IT NOT ONLY IT'S GOING TO INCREASE OUR COST, OVERALL COST, IT'S GOING TO INCREASE THE TIME THAT THIS STARTS. AND THAT'S THE BIG THING. THE FURTHER OUT WE PUSH IT, THE MORE IT COMPOUNDS ON THE TOTAL COST. YEAH. AND THAT'S WHAT I LOOK AT MORE THAN ANYTHING. BUT WE GAIN TIME BACK. IF WE WENT WITH A PLAN LIKE THIS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TO GO OUT AND FIND. YES, SIR. YES, ABSOLUTELY. AND THERE'S A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT WE RECEIVED. THAT'S CORRECT. MILLIONS TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. AND IT WOULD LIKE I SAID, IF WE DID FIND OTHER SITES, WE WOULD HAVE TO START THIS KIND OF OVER AGAIN, THIS WHOLE PROCESS TO DETERMINE THE CAPABILITY OF HOW MANY STORIES CAN THAT PROPERTY HOLD? YOU KNOW, IT MAY ONLY HOLD ONE. DO WE NOW HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT SEWER THINGS OF THAT NATURE? SO IT WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT COST. THE OTHER THING THAT YOU THINK ABOUT IS THIS IS THE CENTER POINT OF OUR CITY WHEN IT COMES TO OUR POLICE DISTRICTS. SO OUR POLICE DISTRICTS INTERSECT AT WHEATLAND AND MAIN STREET. YOU CAN ASK FOR A MORE CENTRALIZED LOCATION FOR A POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND THAT'S WHY OUR RESPONSE TIMES ARE SO GOOD. WELL GUESS WHAT? ONE BIG TAKEAWAY FROM THIS, I GUESS, IS THAT THIS IS NOT GOING TO GET ANY LESS EXPENSIVE. THAT'S CORRECT. BY NOT BY PUSHING IT DOWN THE ROAD FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, THIS PROBABLY WOULD HAVE COST 25 MILLION. 30 MILLION. JUST MY GUESS. I NEVER WOULD HAVE THOUGHT AGAIN I'D BE SITTING HERE, BUT I WOULD BE RESEARCHING THIS AND SEEING HOW MUCH THIS COMPOUNDS IT DOES. AT 
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THE ONSET OF HIS PRESENTATION, I THINK HE SAID 6% INCREASE EVERY YEAR. IT'S COMPOUNDING TO SO THAT SO TWO YEARS WOULD BE 12%. SO YOU'RE JUST ADDING TO IT. YEAH. WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL SQUARE THE LAST TIME WE WERE CONSIDERING A PD SQUARE IT WAS AROUND. YEAH I WAS TRYING TO GET BECAUSE OF THE EXISTING FACILITIES ABOUT WHAT, 13,000FT? I THINK IT WAS 28,000 ON THE PREVIOUS. THE ONE THAT I STOOD UP AND SAID, HEY, I DON'T THINK THAT'S ENOUGH FOR ME. I BELIEVE IT AT MOST IT WAS AROUND 28,000, 28,000, AND WE WERE DOING A BOND FOR HOW MUCH? I BELIEVE IT WAS 20. IT WAS 20, IT WAS 25 TOTAL, BUT 12 MILLION. IT WAS 12 MILLION FOR THE TIME. I MEAN, IT'S A LITTLE SHORT. IT'S A LITTLE SHORT. I THINK WE WOULD END UP IN CONEX BOXES. SO I MEAN, IT IT'S IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY. YOU KNOW, I HAVE MY COMMAND STAFF HERE. YOU GOT SOME OFFICERS HERE. YOU HAVE THE THE PRESIDENT OF THE ASSOCIATION HERE. SO IT IS CERTAINLY IT'S DEAR TO OUR HEARTS. I NEVER THOUGHT THIS WOULD HAPPEN. WE DO WANT TO ADD THAT WE. CHIEF AND I WENT BACK TO THEM AND TALKED ABOUT THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU ASKED, LIKE, HOW DID WE ARRIVE? CAN WE GO UP ALL OF THOSE THINGS? AND SO WE SPENT A GREAT DEAL OF TIME OVER THE LAST SEVERAL DAYS JUST TALKING TO THEM TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING DIFFERENT WITHOUT ACQUIRING A NEW SITE AND LOOKING AT HOW MUCH WE COULD SAVE. SO I'LL TAKE THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL HAD AS WELL, AND PUSH THEM BACK TO THEM AND SEE IF THERE'S AN ESTIMATION ABOUT HOW MUCH WE COULD SAVE IF WE'RE ABLE TO LEVERAGE THIS SITE. SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT HERE, THE ENTRY PLAZA, IS THAT CLOSED IN AND ENTRY PLAZA FOR THE PD, AND IT CONNECTS TO CITY HALL. CORRECT. SO IT WOULD. YES. IT AM I CORRECT. DID HE SAY THAT COURT WOULD STAY IN THE EXISTING CITY HALL AND THEN THE ENTRY PLAZA WOULD CONNECT THE TWO BUILDINGS? COULD YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF REAL QUICK? OH I'M SORRY. YEAH. GO AHEAD. 
          OH, I WAS SAYING, DID HE SAY THAT THE COURT WAS STANDING? INTRODUCE YOURSELF. PLEASE STAND UP. I DIDN'T HEAR YOU. MY NAME IS VICKI DEL SANTOS. I'M WITH THE COURT ADMINISTRATOR, WITH MUNICIPAL COURT, AND I WAS JUST QUESTIONING, DID I HEAR CORRECTLY THAT HE SAID THAT THE COURT WOULD STAY AT THE EXISTING CITY HALL? THE ENTRY PLAZA WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT CONNECTED BOTH BUILDINGS. DID I UNDERSTAND THAT? IT ISN'T, AS IT ISN'T A CONNECTOR. IT'S A IT'S. I DON'T WANT TO LIKE A COMMUNITY, LIKE A COMMON AREA, BREEZEWAY TYPE. BUT IT WOULD ALLOW IT WOULD KIND OF BE LIKE THE YOU ARE HERE SPACE SO PEOPLE WOULD KNOW TO GO EACH WAY. YEAH. WHICH DIRECTION? GOTCHA. OKAY OKAY. BUT TO HER QUESTION. WE STILL NEED MORE ROOM IN THE EXISTING COURTS AREA. AND HOW DO YOU HOW DO YOU FACTOR THAT IN OR IS THAT PART OF THE CONVERSATION YOU'VE HAD SO FAR. SO IN THE EXISTING LIKE WHERE WE ARE NOW. SO THAT'S WHERE YOU WOULD BUILD OUT TOWARD THE CITY HALL. I'M SORRY, NOT CITY HALL POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          SO THERE'LL BE A DEMOLITION. WELL, I WOULDN'T KNOW IF THERE WOULD BE A DEMOLITION, BUT FOR INSTANCE, THE PEOPLE IN THE ANNEX WOULD MOVE INTO THAT LOCATION. IF SO, YOU COULD CAPTURE SOME OF THAT BUILDING AND THEN FIGURE OUT IF THERE WAS SOMETHING TO DEMOLISH AND BE ABLE TO EXPAND TO GIVE COURTS MORE ROOM? I WOULD THINK SO. YES, SIR. YEAH. SORRY. I JUST KEPT GOING. I JUST KEPT HITTING NEXT. NO NO NO. YES. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT EXISTING PD BEING PHASED OUT AND DEMOING IT. I MEAN HOW BECAUSE THESE BUILDINGS ARE CONNECTED RIGHT. THEY ARE I MEAN ARE THEY. BUT IT'S IT'S TWO DIFFERENT BUILDINGS OR SO. IT IS ONE BUILDING THAT'S DIVIDED INTO TWO SECTIONS. THAT'S IT. IT IS SIMPLY A WOODEN DOOR LIKE THIS THAT SEPARATES OUR BUILDING. AND THEN IT'S JUST I BELIEVE IT'S A JANITORIAL CLOSET AND THEN A HALLWAY THAT EXITS OUT TO THE REAR PARKING LOT FOR THE CITY HALL SIDE, PD SIDE. THAT'S WHERE OUR TRAINING ROOM IS, EVIDENCE ROOM. AND THEN I BELIEVE IT BACKS UP INTO OUR LOCKER ROOMS AS YOU GET CLOSER TO THE BACK DOOR. LISTEN, I'M I'M A PROPONENT OF KEEPING THAT EXISTING PD BECAUSE OF THOSE THE ROOM THAT YOU GUYS NEED AND PUSHING EVERYTHING IN THE THE PD SIDE. WE WOULD LOSE SOME PARKING AND I AND I I'M OKAY WITH THAT BECAUSE IF WE NEED TO YOU HAVE THAT EXCESS PARKING EXCESS PARKING RATHER AT THE 
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SENIOR CENTER WHERE THEY CAN WALK THROUGH THE PARK IF THEY NEED IT OR IF THEY HAVE THAT CORNER OF THE PARK LIKE COUNCILMEMBER KUNTZ WAS, WAS DISCUSSING HERE. SO ONCE THEY KNOW THEY HAVE THAT NOW, THEY MAY BE ABLE TO LOOK, OKAY, NOW WE CAN PUT MAYBE MORE PARKING HERE WHERE WE DON'T. WE ONLY NEED THIS MUCH OF SECURED PARKING HERE AND YOU HAVE MORE PUBLIC PARKING. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH. ESPECIALLY IF WE DO AN ASSESSMENT OF OUR PARKING. 
          CURRENT PARKING? YES. AND THEN WE'D BE ABLE TO ESTABLISH BECAUSE THERE'S A NUMBER UP THERE, 160 SPACES IN THE SECURED AREA PROPOSED. OH. RIGHT HERE. YEAH. SO HOW MANY SPACES DO YOU REALLY NEED ON THE PD SIDE. SECURED. THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DISCUSS. I'LL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE NEAR THE ROOM FOR US CURRENTLY TO SECURE PART. THERE'S. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL WILL TAKE UP AND FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU GOT NOW. YEAH THEY DID THEY THEY KNOW WHAT IT. SO IT'S 160. BUT THAT ALSO INCLUDES COURT. AND IT ALSO INCLUDES CITY HALL AS WELL. SO THIS ISN'T JUST PD. THIS IS ALL OF THE EXISTING CITY HALL AS WELL. SO SAYS SECURED IT IS. YES SIR. BUT IT'S FOR CITY HALL AS WELL OKAY. FOR THE PERSONNEL IN CITY HALL OKAY. CORRECT. SO OUR PARKS CAN WE JUST TAKE THAT PIECE OF THE PARK IF NEEDED? ORDINANCE? PROBABLY AN ATTORNEY QUESTION. 
          YEAH. SEE WHAT STEPS. I'M SURE WE COULD, BUT THERE'S A PROCESS. YES, I MEAN, THAT'D BE SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT OR. YES, I WOULD. SO. WHAT SHOULD BE PRESERVED. 
          SO WE HAVE TO DO THIS POINT. WE'D HAVE TO ASK LEGAL IF THERE IS AN EXISTING ORDINANCE AND THERE ISN'T PROBABLY CREATE SOMETHING SO THAT IT PROTECTS ALSO FROM ZONING. DON'T FORGET YOU'RE TAKING A CHUNK OUT OF OUR ARTS DISTRICT. YEAH. THAT'S SO YEAH, I KNOW FOR THE STATE OF TEXAS, I MEAN, THERE IS I MEAN THAT I DON'T KNOW, THAT JUST SEEMS LIKE OKAY, PROBABLY AN EASY SOLUTION. BUT I KNOW FOR THE STATE OF TEXAS PARKS AND OPEN SPACE, IT TYPICALLY REQUIRES SOME KIND OF PUBLIC ACTION. TO HAVE IT TO BE CHANGED TO SOMETHING ELSE. BUT THAT SEEMS LIKE, OKAY, IF THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, IT CAN BE DONE. BUT I'LL COME WITH YOU. 
          IF ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO SAVE THAT, YOU KNOW THAT THE EXISTING BUILDING SO THE STAFF ISN'T CRAMMED INTO THE EXISTING CITY HALL. THAT REQUIRES TAKING OUT AN AWKWARD CURVE WITH THE TRAIL. YEAH, IT SEEMS LIKE AN EASY DECISION IS GOING TO BE CHECKING ON THAT FOR US. YEAH. 
          OKAY. SO, CHIEF, WHAT WHAT WHAT DO THEY HAVE PLANNED FOR ON FLOORS TWO AND THREE? I HEARD YOU SAY PATROL, BUT WHAT WOULD IT BE ON THREE? SO I WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT MY EMAIL AND TELL YOU EXACTLY THAT YOUR OFFICE. THE OFFICE WOULD BE ON THE THIRD FLOOR BECAUSE I'M THE LEAST THEY DON'T WANT ME RESPONDING. GIVE ME ONE SECOND. I'LL PULL IT UP AND AND PROVIDE THAT TO YOU. IN THE MEANTIME, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES. AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE STILL GOT OUR SCHEDULE OF TRYING TO MEET A MAY BOND ELECTION. SO WE DO YOU KNOW, TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE ALSO. AND SO I'M SORRY THAT YOU BROUGHT THAT UP. ARE WE LOOKING AT OTHER CONSIDERATIONS AS FAR AS FUNDING. YEAH. YOU KNOW WE HAVEN'T REALLY EXPLORED THOSE DETAILS YET. I WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU ALL RECALL FROM THE DECEMBER 12TH CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION, OUR STRATEGY WAS TO WORK WITHIN THAT $25 MILLION THAT WAS PRESENTED. AND INSTEAD OF FUNDING A SERVICE CENTER WITH GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS, YOU'D ISSUE CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION AND PAY THOSE FUNDS, PAY THOSE BONDS BACK WITH UTILITY FUNDS, BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY THAT BUILDING HAS A HEAVY UTILITY FUNCTION AND IT'S APPROPRIATE. YOU KNOW, OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR, OUR PLAN WAS TO NOT NOT INCLUDE THAT IN THE BOND PROGRAM, BUT REALLY WE WERE OPERATING WITHIN THAT 25 MILLION RANGE. HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, WE CAN YOU COULD DO A BOND PROGRAM ISSUE THE 64 MILLION. NOW YOU'RE YOUR DEBT. YOUR TAX RATE WOULD GO UP OVER TIME, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE 25 MILLION IS ABOUT A 3%, THREE CENT INCREASE OVER TIME. NOW THAT'S ASSUMING A THREE. LIKE OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR SAID, THAT'S ABOUT A 3.1% ASSUMING A 3.1% GROWTH EVERY YEAR. SO I MEAN, IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE A MUCH HIGHER TAX RATE, RICHARD, IF YOU GOT ANYTHING. BUT AS FAR AS OTHER SOURCES, WE WOULD HAVE TO EXPLORE. I DID 
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MENTION IN THEIR PRESENTATION THAT GRANTS OTHER, OTHER SOURCES YOU COULD USE EDC FUNDS THAT THAT THAT IS A COMMUNITY OBLIGATION FOR THE POLICE STATION. BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE DOING THAT. FROM WHAT I'VE READ. YOU CAN DO IT. YOU CAN DO IT. THE ONLY THING IS IT'S, YOU KNOW, THOSE THOSE IT'S STILL GENERAL OBLIGATION. TECHNICALLY, IT'S STILL AGAINST THE, THE THE PROPERTY ATTACKS OR SO. THERE STILL WOULD BE A TAX INCREASE WITH THE GENERAL OBLIGATION TO THE VOTERS. MAKE THAT CONSCIOUS CHOICE TO APPROVE IT. BUT YOU COULD USE CERTIFICATE OBLIGATIONS FOR THIS FACILITY. BUT IT STILL IT WOULD STILL MORE THAN LIKELY HIT AGAINST YOUR YOUR, YOUR AD VALOREM JUST BECAUSE THERE'S NOT REALLY OTHER SPECIFIC REVENUE SOURCES THAT WE COULD USE TO FUND THE POLICE STATION OTHER THAN GRANTS. OR AGAIN, YOU COULD USE SOME COMMUNITY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUNDS AS WELL, BECAUSE POLICE DOES FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY UNDER THE CORPORATION. OKAY. BUT THAT'S JUST GENERALLY AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE COULD DEFINITELY GO BACK AND EXPLORE IN MORE DETAIL AND SEE IF THERE'S OTHER OPTIONS. BUT JUST, YOU KNOW, RICHARD, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD ANYTHING TO ADD. RICHARD JACKSON, RICHARD JACKSON CFO SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IN THE PRESENTATION THAT HILLTOP HAD WITH THIS COUNCIL BEFORE ON THE 25 MILLION, THAT WAS ABOUT THREE THREE CENT INCREASE, AS RICHARD HAD ALREADY INDICATED. SO FOR 64 MILLION, PROBABLY JUST QUICK HEAD MATH, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 7 AND 8 CENT INCREASE TO THE TAX RATE. BUT OVER TIME THOUGH NOT LIKE IMMEDIATELY. 
          RIGHT. RIGHT. BUT IT WAS. YEAH. SO THE PHASED APPROACH FOR THE THREE CENT FOR WAS FOR 25 MILLION. SO IF WE USE THAT SAME APPROACH AT LEAST RIGHT NOW JUST QUICK MATH. IT COULD BE A LITTLE, BUT AT LEAST JUST TO AT LEAST HAVE SOMETHING TO HAVE FOR DISCUSSION POINT. SO YEAH, DEFINITELY WE WOULD WANT TO HAVE THAT CONFIRMED IN TERMS OF WHAT THAT NUMBER WOULD BE FROM HILLTOP AS OUR ADVISORS. BUT JUST SO WE HAD AT LEAST SOME, SOME, SOME NEIGHBORHOOD BALLPARK DISCUSSION BASED ON THE 25 MILLION THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED BEFORE, CERTAINLY ON THE CERTIFICATE OF OBLIGATION SIDE VERSUS GENERAL OBLIGATION, WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO RUN INTO IS YOUR DEDICATED REVENUE SOURCE. AND SO BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY WHERE OUR EXISTING REVENUES ARE, WE WOULD NEED CERTAINLY TO INCREASE THE TAX RATE. AND SO THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE TO THE VOTERS. SO FROM THAT STANDPOINT, WE'D BE LOOKING AT THE, THE GEO, THE GENERAL OBLIGATION MORE THAN LIKELY. AND THAT'S WHY JUST BECAUSE YEAH, OF COURSE THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE OUTREACH PROCESS TO, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT WOULD APPEAL TO THE VOTERS. 
          JUST UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S PART OF IT. BUT I MEAN, IT'S IT'S DEFINITELY A NEED. WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, WE RECOGNIZE THIS. BUT BUT AT THIS POINT, WE STILL DON'T KNOW. WE DEPEND ON PLAN A OR PLAN B. AND LET'S ASSUME FOR THE MOMENT WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THE EXISTING POLICE STATION AND WORK AROUND THAT. WE STILL DON'T KNOW. EVEN A CLOSE COST TO WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO DO ALL THE INTERIOR MODIFICATIONS ON THE EXISTING BUILDINGS. SO NOW WE'RE NOT TALKING POLICE STATION AND PARKING AND CERTAINLY LAND ACQUISITIONS OFF THE OFF THE TABLE NOW, WHICH IS A GOOD THING. BUT WE HAVE ADDITIONAL COSTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE PART OF THIS OVERALL COST. IT'S GOING TO BE THE ALL THE REMODELING THAT WE HAVE TO DO INSIDE. NOW, I KNOW THAT'S NOT IN COMPARISON. THAT'S A MUCH SMALLER AMOUNT OF MONEY. BUT TO GO FORWARD WITH THE BOND REQUEST, WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS OR AT LEAST HAVE A CLOSE ESTIMATE. SO SO THE LINE ITEM WORKSHEET THAT WE'RE THAT WE WILL SHARE HAS THOSE HAS THE TECHNOLOGY. ALL OF THE CONSTRUCTION ALL OF THOSE FEES ARE INCLUDED IN THERE. SO IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL ITEMS THAT WE NEED TO ADD WE'LL GO BACK TO THEM. BUT IT IS A PRETTY DETAILED LINE ITEM ESTIMATE. WHAT YOU SAW TODAY WAS JUST THE TOTAL ABOUT THE REMODEL. YEAH. 
          YEAH. IF WE DECIDED TO IF WE DECIDED TO MOVE COURTS INTO THE EXISTING PD BUILDING, THERE'S COSTS THAT GO ALONG WITH RETROFITTING THAT TO FIT THEIR NEEDS. AND THAT'S NOT A NUMBER WE KNOW RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. WE GOT ANOTHER QUICK IS DID THAT WAS PLANT SEED. IS THAT INVOLVED MOVING THE COURT TO THE CURRENT PD BUILDING. WELL IF I'M RECALL FROM PLAN C IS COURTS AND POLICE WOULD BE IN THAT BUILDING. AND THEN WE WOULD JUST USE EXISTING CITY HALL AND PLAN C. SO THE AND I WOULD IMAGINE THE BARE MINIMUM. SO WHOEVER IS IN THE ANNEX 
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BUILDING NOW, THEY RELOCATE OVER HERE. CORRECT. THERE'S A LOT OF LOGISTICS HAPPENING, A LOT OF LOGISTICS. WELL THANK YOU. SO WE KNOW THE POLICE STATION COST, YOU KNOW, TO TO THE EXTENT THAT WE HAVE AN A AND B BUT WE DON'T HAVE A AND THERE'S TWO WAYS WE CAN GO BECAUSE DON'T FORGET WE THE PART OF THAT PLAN WAS ONE OF THOSE OPTIONS WAS TO DEMOLISH THE EXISTING CITY HALL. AND IF WE GO AWAY FROM THAT ONE AND WE SAY, OKAY, WE DON'T WANT TO DEMOLISH THE OLD POLICE STATION, WE WANT TO RETROFIT THAT, BRING THE PEOPLE FROM 103 OVER THERE AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE ENOUGH ROOM FOR COURTS, EVERYTHING THEY NEED. WHAT DOES THAT COST LOOK LIKE? SO I'M NOT SURE WHO AT THE TABLE IS GOING TO TELL US THAT. YOU'RE GOING TO TELL US THAT? NO, I'M NOT, I WON'T I CAN'T TELL YOU TONIGHT, MAYOR, BUT I'M LISTENING AND TAKING NOTES. AND SO I'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE GET BACK TO KIMLEY-HORN. LIKE I SAID, IT'S KIND OF BACK TO JUST BASICS, BECAUSE WHO'S OVER THERE NOW? SO WE HAVE FINANCE AND IT YOU KNOW, I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK, YOU KNOW, IF IF THEY WENT INTO THE JUST LET'S IMAGINE THEY WENT OVER THERE RIGHT NOW AND WOULD THEY HAVE WOULD REQUIRE A MAJOR RETROFIT OR WOULD IT JUST BE THEM REMODELING TO FIT BECAUSE THERE'S OFFICE SPACES OVER THERE? I MEAN, JUST TO MOVE THEM, IF WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO CHANGE ANYTHING, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO CHANGE THE BUILDING ITSELF. I MEAN, I'M SURE THEY'D WANT TO AT SOME POINT, BUT YEAH, IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN THEM MOVING. I MEAN, WE HAVE I THINK EVERYBODY HERE IS THAT WORKS HERE HAS MOVED AT LEAST ONCE. 
          AND IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN THEM MOVING OVER THERE. THERE WAS NOTHING CHANGED OR RETROFITTED OVER THERE. WE HAVE PLENTY OF OFFICES SAY WE HAVE PLENTY OF OFFICES. WE HAVE PLENTY OF OFFICES FOR THEM FOR THAT GROUP TO MOVE INTO THAT PD FACILITY. COURTS. IF WE WERE TO MOVE COURTS FROM PD TO OVER THERE, THAT WOULD HAVE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF FINANCIAL IMPACT. WELL, IT DOES BECAUSE THEY'RE A SECURED AREA. SO THEY HAVE TO HAVE TO BE SOMETHING. I KNOW WE'RE NOT IN THE BIG PICTURE. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF MONEY, BUT WE HAVE TO WE STILL SHOULD HAVE A ROUGH IDEA OF WHAT THAT COST MAY LOOK LIKE TO PROVIDE THEM THE SECURITY THEY NEED, AND SEPARATION FROM ANY OTHER ACTIVITIES THAT MOVE INTO THAT BUILDING AS WELL. 
          COURTS WOULD BE IN THE PD BUILDING, THOUGH. WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW. YES. 
          CORRECT. YEAH. YES. YEAH. OKAY. SO I'M SORRY, I DO HAVE YOUR ANSWER. IF YOU GUYS WANT THAT REAL QUICK OR. YEAH, THE FLOOR'S OKAY. SO THE FIRST FLOOR INCLUDES RECORDS, A SWIPE PROPERTY AND EVIDENCE AND THEN SOME SHARED FACILITY SPACES, WHICH IS THE COMMUNITY ROOM AT DEFENSIVE TACTICS, WEIGHT ROOM. THE LOCKER ROOM, CUSTODIAL STUFF, MUNICIPAL COURT. AND THEN THE SECOND FLOOR IS POLICE INVESTIGATIONS, WHICH INCLUDES NARCOTICS. THEN YOU HAVE YOUR INTERVIEW SUITE AND YOU HAVE DIGITAL FORENSICS, PROPERTY AND EVIDENCE PATROL, AND THEN YOU HAVE A BREAK ROOM. AND THEN ON THE THIRD FLOOR YOU HAVE POLICE ADMINISTRATION, OFFICE OF INTERNAL AFFAIRS, THE PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICE, REAL TIME INFORMATION CENTER, IT, THE DRONE UNIT, TRAINING AND PERSONNEL. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY AN ADDITIONAL RESTROOMS UP THERE. SO THAT'S THEIR RECOMMENDATION. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT AS WE PUT THIS TOGETHER, IF THIS WAS DECIDING ON WE CAN'T MOVE THINGS, THAT FITS US AS AN AGENCY IN DUNCANVILLE. THEY IT THEY MAY WORK IN IN SOME OTHER CITY, BUT IT MAY NOT WORK FOR US. SO WE HAVE THAT ABILITY TO MOVE AND CHANGE WHATEVER WE NEED TO, BUT WE LIVE WITH IT ONCE WE DO IT. 
          SO WE HAVE A BRIEFING ON THIS NEXT TUESDAY. WE DO OUR AGENDA. ARE WE GOING TO SEE ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN WE SAW TODAY? I THINK IT'LL JUST BE MORE MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE FULL BLOWN FINAL, FINAL PRODUCT AS FAR AS THEIR THEIR NEEDS ASSESSMENT AND WHAT THEY CONCLUDED IS MY UNDERSTANDING. OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THE LOOMING CHALLENGE IS WE'VE GOT THE DEADLINE TO CALL. 
          AN ELECTION IS THE 16TH OF FEBRUARY. NOW, KEEP IN MIND, I STILL HAVE TO. I HAVE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, BASED OFF THE CONVERSATION WE HAD AT THE 12TH, I'VE ONLY I'VE GONE BACK AND UPDATED THE BOND ORDINANCE TO CALL THE ELECTION FOR JUST A POLICE FACILITY. OF COURSE, I GOT TO PLUG IN A NUMBER. I STILL NEED TO SEND THAT TO FULTON ROAD PATROL, RIGHT. OUR OUR BOND COUNCIL AS WELL AS OUR HILLTOP TO MAKE SURE THAT UPDATE THE NUMBERS AGAIN 
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ORDINANCE IS DONE PER SE, BUT I THINK IT'S JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE'VE GOT A FINAL NUMBER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE WITH THE BOND ELECTION. HOWEVER, IF IF THERE'S MORE INFORMATION WE NEED OR WE FEEL LIKE THERE'S MORE TIME, YOU COULD POTENTIALLY GO TO NOVEMBER. BUT OBVIOUSLY I JUST I THINK THE ONE THING I, I WOULD NEED IN ORDER TO MAKE A BOND ELECTION HAPPEN WOULD BE JUST HAVING A, A FINAL NUMBER THAT EVERYBODY'S ON BOARD WITH. SO WE CAN CALL THAT ELECTION. AND AGAIN, I GOTTA SAY THIS IS I MY HATS OFF TO CHIEF STOGNER ANGEL. THIS IS A MOVING AMOUNT LEGITIMATELY IN THE PERIOD OF TIME THAT WE'VE HAD TO DO THIS NEEDS ASSESSMENT. 
          A LOT OF SACRIFICE HAS BEEN MADE AND IT WAS MOVING A MOUNTAIN. SO I'M VERY HAPPY. 
          FROM MY STANDPOINT, WE'RE HERE AT LEAST HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS. BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE EVERYBODY'S AWARE OF THAT DEADLINE. YOU KNOW, WE DEFINITELY NEED TO KNOW IF IF THAT COST IS FINAL AND EVERYBODY'S LET'S LET'S DO IT. YOU KNOW, I, I NEED TO KNOW SOON AFTER THAT PRESENTATION ON THE 20TH SO I CAN WE CAN MAKE THOSE DEADLINES. ARE WE GOING TO GET ANY ADDITIONAL FINANCIALS OR ANYTHING ON TUESDAY? ANYTHING. WE DEFINITELY WILL HAVE TO TALK TO OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR TO DEFINITELY GET THE UPDATE ON WHAT THAT IMPACT LOOKS LIKE FROM A TAX STANDPOINT. AGAIN, I DO THINK, HEY, IF THERE'S OTHER, OTHER OPTIONS THAT COME UP FOR GRANTS, THAT'S GREAT. I DON'T I HAVE NOT DONE THAT ANALYSIS, BUT WE DEFINITELY WOULD HAVE THAT INFORMATION BY THE 20TH FOR SURE. ON THE WHAT THE TAX WOULD BE. WELL, OBVIOUSLY THE THE PUBLIC'S HEARING THIS IN REAL TIME RIGHT NOW, BETWEEN NOW AND THE MEETING THAT WE HAVE UPCOMING, WE'LL GET SOME UPDATES. WE'VE GOT TO HAVE SOME REAL TRANSPARENT NUMBERS. I MEAN, IT'S GOT TO BE ROCK SOLID THAT BECAUSE IF WE WENT AHEAD AND WE FOUND OUT, WE CAME OUT SHORT, YOU'RE THE I DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN. YEAH, I GET IT. 
          I LIVE THROUGH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND SAW WHAT HAPPENED THERE. YEAH. I DO NOT WANT TO BE THE CAUSE OF THAT HAPPENING AGAIN. YEAH I THINK THEY'VE THEY'VE DONE A GREAT JOB. I MEAN THIS THIS PRESENTATION WAS VERY INFORMATIVE AND I HAVE NO REASON TO DOUBT THE NUMBERS AND THE ANY PART OF THEIR PRESENTATION. BUT BY NEXT TUESDAY, RICHARD WILL HAVE SOME UPDATES FOR US REAL TIME. AND ANGEL, YOU'LL HAVE SOME UPDATES FOR US TO GET US TO THAT REAL NUMBER. AND IT'S GOT TO BE ALL INCLUSIVE. SO WE'RE CONFIDENT GOING FORWARD IF WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO MAKE THAT BOND ELECTION IN MAY, THAT'S A TIGHT TIMELINE. 
          TODAY IS TUESDAY TO NEXT TUESDAY, SO THAT MEANS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE IT FOR TUESDAY TOMORROW. AND I WILL SAY THIS AGAIN, THIS IS JUST ME. I'M COMMITTED TO A BOND PROGRAM. 
          I'VE COMMITTED A BOND PROGRAM TO CHIEF. AND YOU ALL ASKED FOR A BOND PROGRAM. SO IF WE NEED TO DELIVER A BOND PROGRAM, WE WILL DO IT. BUT I WILL SAY FROM A CAUTIOUS STAFF STANDPOINT, IF WE COULD DO NOVEMBER, IT WOULD GIVE US TIME TO VET OUT THOSE NUMBERS. BUT I'M COMMITTED TO A BOND PROGRAM. THAT'S WHAT COUNCIL AND EVERYBODY WANTS. WE'LL MAKE IT HAPPEN. BUT NOVEMBER WOULD GIVE US A LITTLE FLEXIBILITY, BUT I'M 100% COMMITTED TO IT. MAY SO. BUT AGAIN, IF YOU'RE GOING TO IS YOUR HEART GOING TO STOP. IF WE SO I, I WILL I WILL SAY THIS THIS IS THIS IS MATT SPEAKING FROM WHAT I UNDERSTOOD IN THE 2018 BOND, WE ALL KNOW WHAT HAPPENED IN 2018 WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT. WE HAD ITEMS ON THE 2018 BOND. THOSE WERE PULLED OFF THE 2018 BOND BECAUSE THEY WERE CONCERNED AT THE TIME THAT BECAUSE OF THE NATIONAL ATTENTION THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT HAD, THAT THAT BOND WOULD FAIL. I DON'T WANT TO DELAY THIS TO WHERE SOMETHING HAPPENS NATIONALLY, AND WE DON'T HAVE THE SUPPORT THAT WE WOULD. NOW I AM DOING I WILL MAKE A VOW TO YOU GUYS RIGHT NOW AND I'VE DONE IT. WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO PR FIRMS, MARKETING FIRMS. I AM USING ALTERNATE FUNDING TO HIRE SOMEBODY TO COME IN FOR THE EDUCATIONAL PIECE OF THINGS TO DO. EVERYTHING IN MY POWER COME JUNE THAT WHEN I LOOK BACK ON THIS ELECTION, I DID EVERYTHING THAT I COULD TO MAKE THIS SUCCESSFUL. THAT'S MY VOW TO YOU GUYS. I CAN'T PREDICT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN LAW ENFORCEMENT THE NEXT 7 OR 8 MONTHS. WE HAVE A LOT OF MOMENTUM NOW. ANGEL HAS BEEN WORKING EXTREMELY HARD TO HELP PUSH THIS AND GET YOU GUYS INFORMATION. WE'VE WORKED AFTER HOURS. WE'VE DONE A LOT OF STUFF TO GET TO WHERE WE ARE NOW. I JUST DON'T WANT TO PUSH AND SOMETHING COME UP AND WE HAVE A, YOU KNOW, WHO'S WHO'S UP FOR REELECTION. NOW WE HAVE 
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NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS. THEY MAY NOT BE ON BOARD WITH THIS, AND NOW WE'RE HAVING TO GO THROUGH THAT AGAIN. YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? SO I THINK NOW IS THE BEST TIME, BECAUSE I DO THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF PUBLIC SUPPORT JUST BASED ON OUR CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD. 
          THAT'S THAT'S ME. WELL, I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING UP THE EDUCATION PIECE BECAUSE WE HADN'T TALKED ABOUT THAT TONIGHT, BUT THAT'S THAT'S KEY. 100% HAS 100% TRANSPARENT INFORMATION. AND THAT WHEN IT COMES RIGHT DOWN TO IT, THAT TAX RATE IS GOING TO BE A CRITICAL PART OF THIS, TOO. AND IT'S GOT TO BE VERY PUBLIC AND TRANSPARENT ABOUT WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE. SO THE SOONER WE GET THOSE NUMBERS, THE SOONER THAT WE CAN START THE ENGAGEMENT AND BUILD OUT THE WEBSITE, BUILD THE MATERIALS, THE INFORMATION GUIDE, THE FAQ, WE NEED THOSE NUMBERS YESTERDAY. AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE PUBLIC AND I DON'T WANT ANY SEEDS IN ANY MINDS. BUT IF THE PUBLIC ISN'T COMFORTABLE WITH THIS, RIGHT? CORRECT. AT LEAST, AT LEAST I CAN SELF-REFLECT AND SAY I DID. AND WE EVERYBODY AT THIS TABLE HAS DONE EVERYTHING THAT WE COULD TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. IT'LL BE A GUT PUNCH. THERE'S NO DOUBT THESE GUYS WOULD FILL IT MORE THAN I DO. AND IT'S MY JOB TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP OUR EYES MOVING FORWARD. ARE Y'ALL AN ANGEL? AND THE GROUP HERE HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB AND REALLY MOVING THIS QUICKLY QUICKER THAN I THOUGHT. WE GOT MORE INFORMATION TODAY THAN I THOUGHT WE'D GET. I LIKE THE OPTIONS BECAUSE I WALKED IN HERE THINKING, WHERE ARE WE GOING TO BUY A PIECE OF PROPERTY IN? SO THAT OPTION REALLY CHANGES A LOT. AND I HAD GONE ON IN MY MIND AND SETTLES THAT. THIS CAN BE THIS COULD HAPPEN. SO ALL RIGHT, MARY JO JO, I'M SORRY. SO I AGREE WITH 100%, BUT I KNOW ON FEBRUARY 10TH I BELIEVE WE'RE HAVING THE DUNCANVILLE PROPERTY TAX 101. IS THERE A PLAN AT ALL TO INTRODUCE THIS PITCH IT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE KIND OF GIVE AN IDEA. YEAH. TO START IT OFF, IF WE'RE GOING TO GET THIS MOMENTUM GOING I THINK THAT'D BE A GREAT TIME TO ONLY THE DOUBLE CHECK AND GET BACK WITH YOU, BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS HOSTED BY THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT. AND IT'S ACTUALLY THEIR THEIR PRESENTATION, BUT THAT'S MY INTEREST. OKAY. SO THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK IT'D BE WE CAN AT LEAST ASK THE QUESTION. YEAH. SO MISTER VERACRUZ, PENDING THE NUMBERS THAT WE'LL GET FROM KIMLEY-HORN, ADG AND THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT, HAVING ALL OF THAT PREPARED FOR NEXT WEEK, WE'VE ACTUALLY ALREADY SCHEDULED OUR COMMUNITY KICKOFF FOR THE 29TH, BUT WE'RE WE JUST HAVE IT KIND OF IN OUR BACK POCKET UNTIL WE GET THOSE NUMBERS. AND THEN WE'LL BE READY TO TO DO THAT. OKAY. WHAT IS THE COMMUNITY KICKOFF LOOK LIKE. SO IT WOULD BE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE TO ONCE WE'VE MADE THE DECISION ABOUT THAT, WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO BOND THE TIMELINE. WE HAVE THE NUMBERS AND INFORMATION SESSION TO SAY, HERE'S WHERE WE ARE. THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. PART OF WHAT CHIEF AND I HAVE ALSO DONE IS IN OUR QUEST FOR LOOKING FOR A FIRM THAT COULD HELP US IS SOME TOOLS THAT WOULD ALLOW THE COMMUNITY TO EVEN USE IT, LIKE A MORTGAGE OR, EXCUSE ME, A TAX ASSESSMENT CALCULATOR SO THEY COULD PLUG IN. THIS IS MY PROPERTY VALUE. THIS IS WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF IT WAS $0.01 OR TWO CENT. AND JUST TO REALLY ENGAGE AND JUST KIND OF GIVE THAT BACKGROUND INFORMATION VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID HERE, BUT IN A MORE COMMUNITY FRIENDLY WAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'LL. SO TWO YEARS AGO, A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT PASSED A BOND. THAT WAS LAST YEAR. IT WAS IT WAS OVER. IT WAS OVER $150 MILLION. SO AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC. AND THEY DID A VERY GOOD JOB WITH THE EDUCATION PART OF IT. AND IT PASSED EASILY. SO I THINK THE EDUCATION GETTING THAT GOING ASAP IS KEY. SO EVERYTHING THAT I'VE RESEARCHED HAS ABOUT A 77% APPROVAL RATING ON PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES WHEN IT COMES TO BOND ELECTIONS, IT'S GREAT. IT'S GREAT NUMBER. YEAH I KIND OF WON BY 76%. Y'ALL WON'T BE SLEEPING FOR A WHILE. NO, NO WE HAVE I'LL TELL YOU THAT THAT KICKOFF IS NOT THE ONLY THING. SO WE HAVE A WHOLE CALENDAR OF ITEMS THAT WE'RE WAITING. 
          HOPEFULLY THIS MEETING WE WOULD ABLE TO KIND OF PUSH A LITTLE BIT FURTHER. OBVIOUSLY YOU GUYS STILL NEED SOME INFORMATION FROM FINANCE. AND THEN BY TUESDAY WE'LL KNOW. AND I THINK THAT AS SOON AS THAT HAPPENS, EVERYTHING'S GOING TO BE PUSHED OUT IMMEDIATELY. AT THAT POINT, WEBSITES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE FOR THE EDUCATIONAL PIECE OF THIS. AND I HAVE SOME INFORMATION HERE THAT I'LL SHARE SHORTLY. OKAY. WELL, THAT WOULD THEN WRAP UP THIS ITEM B FOR THIS EVENING. AND WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL TAKE A SHORT BREAK BEFORE WE GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. MAYOR, WE ONLY HAD EXECUTIVE SESSION IF WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT 
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PROPERTIES AND STUFF, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THE CONSENSUS YOU MAY NOT YOU MAY NOT NEED TO GO. 
          SO WITH THE CONSENSUS, WITH THE CONSENSUS, WE'VE GOT THAT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO WORK WITH THE EXISTING SITE. I DON'T THINK THERE'S REALLY WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE SURE I'VE GOT THAT CONSENSUS. YEAH. YEAH YEAH YEAH. SO. WE'VE HEARD WE'VE HEARD THE EFFORTS THAT'S GOING TO BE MADE GOING FORWARD SO THAT OUR NEXT MEETING WILL GET AN UPDATE, AND THAT FROM THAT UPDATE, WE CAN MAKE A FINAL DECISION. BUT TO MOVE FORWARD IN THAT DIRECTION, I WANT TO CONSENSUS FROM THE COUNCIL RIGHT NOW SHOW OF HANDS PLEASE. THOSE IN FAVOR OF MOVING AHEAD AND HAVING STAFF MOVE AHEAD WITH THEIR THEIR HARD WORK AHEAD, OKAY. YOU CAN'T VOTE. SORRY. HEY, I'M ON THE TABLE. YEAH. OKAY. SO WE HAVE THAT CONSENSUS. SO THAT'S OUR DIRECTIVE OKAY? OKAY. AND SO. WELL GOSH IF YOU ALL WANT TO STICK AROUND FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION ANYWAY. I'M SORRY. JUST FOR, JUST FOR GRINS, YOU DON'T HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION BECAUSE THAT WOULD THAT WOULD TAKE US THAT WOULD TAKE US TO THE CONCLUSION OF OUR MEETING. YES. I ACTUALLY HAVE ONE THING THAT I WANT TO SHARE, BUT I'M NOT SURE I CAN PROVIDE WHERE IT'S FROM JUST BECAUSE IT'S IT'S INFORMATION THAT I DON'T THINK. SO AT THIS POINT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M NOT VIOLATING ANY TRUST WHEN IT COMES TO. SHE'LL BE KEEPING AN EYE ON YOU. YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. IT IS REGARDING OUR FACILITY, AND IT'S THE EDUCATIONAL PIECE OF THINGS. SO THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT LOOKING AT MOVING FORWARD WITH. ONCE WE GET THAT FINAL NUMBER, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING TO HAND OUT AT THESE MEETINGS THAT PROVIDES THE THE PUBLIC A TON OF INFORMATION. I DON'T THINK THERE'S OKAY. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING CALLED OVER INFORMATION, PROVIDING TOO MUCH INFORMATION WHEN IT COMES TO THIS. I'M I THINK I'M VERY TRANSPARENT WHEN IT COMES TO THINGS THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S ON THE TABLE. THAT WAY THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE VOTING FOR. AND I THINK ONCE YOU PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO PEOPLE, IT EASES SOME OF THEIR CONCERNS. SO THE OTHER ASPECT OF THIS IS A WEBSITE THAT'S GOING TO BE CREATED THAT WILL KIND OF GO THROUGH WHAT YOU GUYS WENT THROUGH IN THAT PRESENTATION TO SHOW THEM, HEY, THIS IS IT. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING. THIS IS OUR CURRENT FACILITY. WE'RE LOOKING AT IMPLEMENTING LIKE A REALTOR CAMERA, WHERE YOU CAN GO IN AND LOOK AT OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AS IT SITS. NOW I'M LIKE, HEY, I WANT TO SEE WHAT THE CHIEF'S OFFICE LOOKS LIKE. AND YOU HIT A LITTLE BUTTON AND IT POPS THAT UP AS WELL. SO WE'RE GOING TO PUSH OUT AS MUCH AS WE CAN. WE'RE GOING TO DO TOWN HALL MEETINGS. I'M GOING TO MEET WITH THE LOCAL CIVIC GROUPS HERE. I'M GOING TO CHURCH AND TALKING TO THE CONGREGATION AFTER 100%, 100% EDUCATIONAL. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR, THAT OBVIOUSLY, I CAN ADVOCATE IT'S EDUCATIONAL, THAT I'M TRYING TO PROVIDE THEM. SO AGAIN, SO I CAN LOOK AT JUNE AND LOOK BACK AND SAY, MAN, WE DID EVERYTHING THAT WE COULD. SO I JUST WANT YOU GUYS TO KNOW, I KNOW THIS IS PARAMOUNT FOR Y'ALL AND THE EDUCATIONAL PIECE. WE UNDERSTAND THAT. AND WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING IN THE BACKGROUND TO PROVIDE THAT EDUCATION. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. 
          OKAY, COUNCIL, ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE CLOSE UP OKAY. I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S PRESENCE HERE TONIGHT. I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION. WE GOT BOTH ONLINE AND BY Y'ALL. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND WE WILL ADJOURN THIS MEETING AT
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