Sep 09, 2025 City Council Special Meeting

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MONTHS TO GET THERE, BUT IT'S FINE. AS LONG AS. OKAY. REAL TALL. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. MR.

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[1.A. Present, discuss, and deliberate the Comprehensive Plan. City Council may direct staff to make additions, deletions or corrections to the proposed Comprehensive Plan Document.]

OKAY. SO WITH THAT WE ARE ON THE AIR. WE'RE READY TO GO. YES. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. SO JUST TO RECAP WHERE WE'RE AT, YOU KNOW, WE OBVIOUSLY HAD THE THE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THE JOINT BLOCK PARTY ON JULY 22ND. MATT HORNE WITH MRB DID THE PRESENTATION AND WE RECEIVED COMMENTS AND FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC AT THAT TIME. SINCE THEN, WE DID PRESENT THIS, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO BOTH THE DC, DC AND THE DUNCANVILLE COMMUNITY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, AS WELL AS PLANNING AND ZONING, THE DUNCANVILLE COMMUNITY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE COMP PLAN ON AUGUST 25TH. THEY DID HAVE SOME SUGGESTED EDITS, MOST NOTABLY DOING A GLOSSARY OF TERMS, WHICH MATT AND HIS TEAM HAVE THAT INFORMATION. AND THEN LAST NIGHT, THE PLANNING AND ZONING. AND THAT WAS THAT WAS UNANIMOUS VOTE. AND THEN LAST NIGHT, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN GOING FORWARD. SO TODAY WE'RE JUST WALKING THROUGH IT, ANSWERING ANY LAST QUESTIONS, ANY SUGGESTIONS OR ADDITIONS WE NEED TO MAKE. WE'LL DO IT. BUT FURTHER ADO, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MATT, WHO WILL JUST RECAP AND ANSWER QUESTIONS. SO WELL, THANK YOU. MR. ABERNATHY COVERED IT REALLY WELL. THIS HAS BEEN JUST A FANTASTIC PROCESS ALL THE WAY AROUND. I NOTED LAST NIGHT WHEN WE WERE AT THE AT THE PNC, THAT IT'S JUST ABOUT ONE YEAR AGO THAT WE STARTED IN THIS ROOM WITH THE STEERING COMMITTEE. SO I ALSO WANT TO THANK YOU ALL LINED YOURSELF UP. WELL, RIGHT HERE IN A ROW, THE THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS ON THIS SIDE OF THE TABLE EACH CONTRIBUTED AS PART OF THE STEERING COMMITTEE. AND SO TO THE DEGREE THAT OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE QUESTIONS OR CLARIFICATIONS, IN A LOT OF CASES, I MAY DEFER TO THESE FOLKS BECAUSE AS AS I POINTED OUT, WITH THE EDC AND WITH PLANNING AND ZONING, THIS WAS A COMMUNITY EFFORT. AND IT WAS IT WAS REALLY SHAPED BY THAT STEERING COMMITTEE. MRB GROUP'S ROLE WAS TO FACILITATE THOSE CONVERSATIONS, TO BRING SOME BEST PRACTICES TO BEAR AND AND TO ULTIMATELY FORMAT THE DOCUMENT. BUT IT'S OUR HOPE THAT THE THE STEERING COMMITTEE MEMBERS AT THIS TABLE AND, AND THOSE FROM AROUND THE CITY REALLY SEE YOUR REFLECTION IN THAT PLAN AND IN THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS. SO I FIGURED THE FORMAT OF THIS THING WILL PROBABLY JUST ROLL THROUGH IT, VERY SIMILAR TO THE WAY WE DID IT LAST NIGHT WITH WITH P AND Z AND WITH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION. WE DID RECEIVE SOME PUBLIC COMMENT, SO I THOUGHT I'D JUST HIT ON THE THEMES RATHER THAN HIT ON ON EACH INDIVIDUAL COMMENT. EXCEPT EXCEPT TO SAY THAT IN THE MAJORITY OF CASES WHERE WE RECEIVED PUBLIC COMMENT, ALL THAT WAS REQUIRED WAS A CLARIFICATION AND A REFERENCE IN THE DOCUMENT. SO IN MANY CASES, JUST THE NATURE OF THE PRESENTATION THAT WE MADE AT THE BLOCK PARTY, A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE HADN'T READ THE PLAN AT THAT POINT. AND SO THEIR THEIR COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS WERE REALLY GENERATED FROM THE PRESENTATION. SO IN MOST OF THOSE CASES, WE WERE ABLE TO JUST GO BACK THROUGH, VERIFY THAT THE QUESTION THEY HAD WAS COVERED IN THE PLAN AND THAT IT WAS ADDRESSED, AND THEN MOVE, MOVE FORWARD FROM THERE. WE DID WE DID SEE SOME THEMES THAT WE JUST WANTED TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION, BUT THAT WE ALSO THINK EITHER ARE ADEQUATELY COVERED OR CAN BE ADDRESSED THROUGH THE GLOSSARY THAT MR. ABERNATHY REFERENCED IN HIS OPENING. AND SO I CAN TOUCH ON A FEW OF THOSE THINGS. AND THEN, REALLY, THIS IS YOUR MEETING. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT YOU ALL HAVE TIME TO TIME TO DISCUSS AND DEBATE AND AND MOVE TO MOVE TO A CONCLUSION SO THAT WE CAN PUT THIS, PUT THIS PLAN IN A FINAL BUTTON UP HOW WE PUT THIS PLAN IN A FINAL BUTTON UP FORMAT AND AND BE READY TO BRING IT TO YOU FOR ADOPTION AT THE END OF SEPTEMBER. THE THE FIRST THEME THAT EMERGED WAS A WORD THAT RANG PEOPLE'S BELL A LITTLE BIT, AND THAT WAS THIS QUESTION ABOUT URBAN DESIGN. THERE WAS A, YOU KNOW, WE GOT SOME EARLY

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OKAY. YEAH. I APOLOGIZE BECAUSE HE ALSO HAD THE HE ALSO HAD THE PUBLIC COMMENTS KIND OF IN A THEME. SO ANYWAY, SO THOSE TWO ITEMS ARE GOING TO BE ADDRESSED IN A GLOSSARY, BUT ALSO ADDRESSED IN IN A PROPOSED ZONING UPDATE, THE THE GLOSSARY IS GOING TO DEFINE WHAT URBAN DESIGN IS AND WHAT SPRAWL IS. THE ZONING UPDATE IS GOING TO FIX IT, RIGHT. THE ZONING UPDATE IS GOING TO LAY OUT HOW THAT LOOKS. AND SO FOR FOR ANYBODY WHO HEARD FROM CONSTITUENTS WHO HAD CONCERNS ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE URBAN DESIGN, WHAT WE'VE REINFORCED, WHAT WE REINFORCED WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION LAST NIGHT AND WITH OTHERS, IS THAT THE PROCESS TO FIX IT IS ONE THAT'S VERY PUBLIC AND VERY TRANSPARENT. A ZONING UPDATE IS GOING TO BE A SIMILAR PROCESS TO THE COMP PLAN. IT'S A VERY LONG PROCESS. IT'S IF YOU DO A COMPLETE ZONING UPDATE, IT COULD TAKE 10 TO 12 MONTHS. THERE ARE PUBLIC MEETINGS.

THERE ARE THERE'S A BITE AT THE APPLE FOR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. THERE'S A AND ULTIMATELY CITY COUNCIL DECIDES ON WHAT THE ZONING REGULATION LOOKS LIKE. AND SO WHAT WE WANT

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THE THE PLAN USES A PHRASE MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOODS. AND THE EARLY CONCERN WAS, WELL, GEEZ, I LIVE IN A NICE SUBDIVISION AND ARE YOU GOING TO COME ALL THE WAY DOWN IN THE MIDDLE OF MY SUBDIVISION AND PUT A SHTTY RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF MY, OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD? AND AND WHAT ABOUT ALL THE NUISANCES THAT COME WITH, WITH COMMERCIAL, WHAT THE PLAN ACTUALLY SAYS AND AND HOW HOW WE PROPOSE TO ADVANCE MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOODS IS IN, IN AREAS WHERE, WHERE THE INFRASTRUCTURE EXISTS AND THE COMMUNITY CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER WON'T BE NEGATIVELY AFFECTED IS WHERE YOU WOULD SEE MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOODS. IN A LOT OF CASES, THOSE MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOODS IN THAT DENSITY IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN PLACES THAT ARE ALREADY COMMERCIAL VERSUS THE OTHER WAY AROUND, RIGHT? RATHER THAN MARCHING INTO THE MIDDLE OF A SUBDIVISION AND THROWING UP A KROGER, WE MIGHT GO OUT TO WHERE THE KROGER IS AND FILL IN WITH SOME RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT EASES THE STRAIN ON ON THE ROADS, THAT EASES THE STRAIN ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE. AND IT IT DIVERSIFIES THE HOUSING STOCK. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE THE P AND Z FOLKS UNDERSTOOD THAT AND SUPPORTED THAT CONCEPT ULTIMATELY. AND THEN THE LAST THEME I THINK THAT WE SAW THAT WAS THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT JUST CAME UP A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT TIMES, WAS THIS IDEA OF REGULATION. WE USED WORDS LIKE DESIGN STANDARDS AND SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS AND PEOPLE, PEOPLE APPROPRIATELY. WHAT WE KNOW, WHAT WE'VE SAID THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS IS THAT DUNCANVILLE IS IN THE WEAK PART OF A STRONG MARKET, RIGHT. WHAT THAT TELLS ME IS THAT THERE'S A THERE'S POTENTIAL FOR US TO REALLY THROW UP A SALE AND CATCH THE WIND AND REALLY GET GOING, RIGHT. BUT RIGHT NOW, IT'S IN THE WEAK PART OF A STRONG MARKET, AND A WAY TO ENSURE THAT YOU STAY WEAK IS TO OVERREGULATE RIGHT. WHEN YOU'RE IN A WEAK MARKET, WHAT YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE OF IS THAT YOUR REGULATIONS ARE CLEAR, THAT THEY'RE THAT THEY'RE PRODUCTIVE. THEY'RE GETTING YOU WHAT YOU WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE THAT YOUR ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESSES ARE CLEAN AND SIMPLE AND STRAIGHTFORWARD. THESE ARE ALL THINGS YOU CAN CONTROL. WHAT PEOPLE MAY NOT KNOW OR WHAT PEOPLE DIDN'T KNOW WHEN THEY OFFERED US THESE COMMENTS, IS THAT THE CITY TODAY HAS DESIGN STANDARDS, RIGHT? IN YOUR ZONING CODE, YOU HAVE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS RIGHT IN YOUR ZONING CODE. AND ALL WE WOULD PROPOSE TO DO IS TO TIGHTEN THOSE UP TO REFLECT THE GOALS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, TO ADD TO SOME HOUSING DIVERSITY AND TO INCREASE DENSITY WHERE IT MAKES SENSE.

AGAIN, THOSE PROCESSES ARE PUBLIC AND TRANSPARENT AND SLOW IN A GOOD WAY. DELIBERATE IS WHAT WE CALL IT, RIGHT? WE DON'T RUSH THROUGH ZONING UPDATE, AND STAFF ACTUALLY HAS SOME GREAT IDEAS ABOUT MAYBE HOW TO CHUNK UP THE ZONING UPDATE AND TAKE A PIECE AT A TIME AND ROLL OUT THE MOST IMPORTANT PIECES EARLY SO THAT YOU CAN REALLY GET YOUR MOMENTUM MOVING. AND ALL OF THAT, AGAIN, IS YOU'VE GOT THE KEYS. YOU KNOW, YOUR CONSTITUENTS ARE ARE BEST REPRESENTED BY THE FOLKS AROUND THIS TABLE. AND SO THAT ZONING UPDATE IS GOING TO IS GOING TO ADDRESS THE DESIGN STANDARDS AND THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS.

BUT WE WOULD NEVER WANT TO OVERREGULATE OR SLOW DOWN MOMENTUM. AND SO THAT'S THAT'S CERTAINLY NOT WHAT THE PLAN SUGGESTS. AND ONCE WE WERE ABLE TO CLARIFY THAT WITH P AND Z THEY WERE HAPPY WITH THAT AS WELL. SO THOSE ARE THE BIG THEMES. AS I NOTED. ANYTHING THAT THAT THERE WAS A CLEAR, STRAIGHTFORWARD QUESTION ON WHY OR DOES THE PLAN INCLUDE THIS OR WHY DOESN'T THE PLAN INCLUDE THIS? IN NEARLY EVERY CASE, WE FOUND THE SPOT WHERE THE PLAN INCLUDED IT, SO WE FEEL GOOD THAT THE PUBLIC'S CONCERNS WERE ADEQUATELY ADDRESSED. SO HAPPY TO HAPPY TO START THE CONVERSATION. ENTERTAIN QUESTIONS HOWEVER YOU ALL WANT TO PROCEED. JUST THROWING AT YOU THAT YOU WOULD EXPECT FROM ME. AND THERE'S A BRIEF MENTION UNDER CORRIDORS OF THE IMPORTANCE OF HIGHWAY 67, WHICH YOU AND I TOURED. AND I STILL BELIEVE STRONGLY THAT. IF THIS IS A 2040 PLAN, THAT'S CERTAINLY WE NEED TO AT SOME

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SO WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? SO IF YOU'VE GOT IF YOU'VE GOT THE DOCUMENT IN FRONT OF YOU ON PAGE 77, THE THE PRIORITY POLICY AREA THAT DEALS WITH, WITH TRANSPORTATION CALLS FOR ENHANCED GATEWAYS AND TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS, SPECIFICALLY FOCUSING ON ROUTE 67 AT SOUTH MAIN STREET WEST, WHEATLAND, NORTH MAIN STREET. SO THOSE ARE THOSE WERE THE CORRIDORS THAT JUMPED RIGHT OUT AT US AS NEEDING SOME ATTENTION. AND WHAT THE WHAT THE PLAN CALLS FOR IS TO IS TO CREATE MASTER PLANS FOR THOSE CORRIDORS THAT INCLUDE UPDATED TRANSPORTATION DESIGN, STREET SCAPING, OTHER ROAD IMPROVEMENT MEASURES, AND THEN ON THE ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SIDE, IDENTIFYING THE TYPES OF USES THAT YOU MOST THAT YOU'D MOST WANT TO SEE THERE, AND ENGAGING IN SOME PROPERTY ACQUISITION THAT WOULD ADDRESS THAT. SO THIS IS NO PUN INTENDED. THIS IS THE GATEWAY FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION SOMEWHERE DOWN THE ROAD FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO BEGIN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT A STRATEGY SPECIFIC TO HIGHWAY 67.

YOU GOT IT. THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. AND I APPRECIATE THE PUN. IT'S. IN TERMS OF PRIORITIZATION DOWNTOWN AND THE CORRIDORS ARE THE PRIORITIES. AND OF THE CORRIDORS, THE TIF DISTRICT AND ROUTE 67 ARE THOSE TOP PRIORITIES. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. SO TO YOUR POINT THOUGH. SO THIS IS UNDER EQUITABLE UNDER TRANSPORTATION NETWORKS MOBILITY. YES. RIGHT.

AND THIS IS ADDRESSING TRANSPORTATION. YES. BUT I THINK THE MAYOR IS SPEAKING TOWARD MAYBE MORE TOWARD THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE OF THINGS, MORE TOWARD LIVABILITY SIDE OF THINGS. YEAH. IS THAT ADDRESSED SPECIFICALLY UNDER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT? WE CAN BE MORE WE CAN BE MORE SPECIFIC ON THAT. SO IN THE IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ON A SECTION ON PAGE 62, WE WE SPOKE ABOUT THIS TIF DISTRICT STRATEGIC PLAN TO BRING TARGETED FOCUS TO REDEVELOPMENT EFFORTS IN THE IN THE TIF DISTRICT. WE CAN CERTAINLY ADD ROUTE 67 TO THAT, TO THAT RECOMMENDATION I WAS GOING TO MENTION, TOO, WHEN YOU'RE IN THERE ON THE CORRIDOR STUDY FOR 67, IT DOES TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO HAVE A PLAN THAT ADDRESSES BEST LAND USE PRACTICES AS WELL AS ENCOURAGING DEVELOPMENT OF PRIORITIZED THE SPRAWL REPAIR.

YEAH, RIGHT. IT DOES SAY IT A LITTLE BIT IN THERE, BUT I MEAN JUST ON THE CORRIDOR STUDY ONLY SO SO HIGHLIGHTING THAT IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO JUST REINFORCE THAT WE'RE TALKING NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT THE PHYSICAL AND THE POLICY SIDE, BUT ON THE, ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SIDE. YEAH. BECAUSE AS I READ THROUGH THIS AND I THINK EVERYBODY ELSE UNDERSTANDS THIS JUST AS WELL, IF NOT BETTER, THIS THIS SETS IN PLACE OPPORTUNITIES FOR DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS OR DIFFERENT PEOPLE WITH DIFFERENT INTERESTS TO BE ABLE TO USE THIS DOCUMENT TO, IN THIS CASE THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, TO EXPAND THE CONVERSATION ABOUT HIGHWAY 67. SO FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, IF SOMEBODY SAID, LET'S TALK ABOUT LAND ACQUISITION OR LET'S TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE AVAILABLE PROPERTIES AND HOW THEY COULD BE COMBINED, THIS GETS US THERE. YOU'RE RIGHT. OKAY. YES, SIR. WELL, WE'LL WE CAN ADD THAT TO THE DOCUMENT.

SO I CAME IN LATE. SO MY APOLOGIES I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF FORMAT WE'RE USING AS FAR AS WHAT ARE WE GOING THROUGH THE PLAN OR ARE WE JUST JUMPING AROUND? BUT. I GUESS

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THAT'S THE THAT'S THE CENTERPIECE. THAT'S WHERE WE WANT, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT REPRESENTS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR AN ECONOMIC ENGINE TO TO GET US WHERE WE'RE GOING. SO THEN, ALL RIGHT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO JUST FOCUS ON ONE. WHERE WOULD YOU GO NEXT. AND THAT CONVERSATION FOCUSED ON THE THE ROUTE 67 CORRIDOR AND THE TIF DISTRICT. THOSE WERE THE TWO AREAS THAT JUMPED RIGHT OUT AS TWO OTHER FOCUS AREAS. NOW, I CAN TELL YOU WHAT WE TELL FOLKS IS THESE PLANS ARE TYPICALLY 10 TO 15 YEAR PLANS. BUT THE ACTIONABLE AREAS OF THE PLAN HAVE TO BE A FIVE YEAR LOOK, RIGHT. SO THE THE BEST YOU CAN HOPE TO FORECAST SPECIFIC ACTIONS IS AROUND FIVE YEARS. UPDATING YOUR DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN, WHICH THE PLAN CALLS FOR CREATING A TIF DISTRICT MASTER PLAN, WHICH THE PLANS CALL FOR, AND CREATING A ROUTE 67 CORRIDOR STUDY. IF YOU JUST DID THOSE THREE THINGS, KICKING OFF IMPLEMENTATION IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS IS WHERE YOUR FOCUS AREA IS GOING TO BE. IF WE HAVE TO BE MORE EXPLICIT ABOUT THAT, WE CAN. BUT THOSE SHOWED UP IN OUR CONVERSATIONS AS AS THE BIG PRIORITIES. YOU KNOW, WE USED A THE THE IDEA OF ENHANCED KEY CITY GATEWAYS AND TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS. WE LEFT THAT A LITTLE BIT VAGUE, ALTHOUGH WE DID IDENTIFY INTERSECTION OF SOUTH MAIN AND ROUTE 67, WHICH YOU'RE JUST REFERENCING WITH RESPECT TO THE AREA AROUND THE FIELDHOUSE, WEST WHEATLAND AND CLARK, NORTH MAIN AND I-20. THESE ARE YOUR FRONT DOORS, RIGHT? THESE ARE THE PLACES WHERE PEOPLE ARE COMING IN AND AND SEEING SEEING DUNCANVILLE FOR THE FIRST TIME.

AND SO TO THE DEGREE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO PAY ATTENTION TO SOME PHYSICAL IMPROVEMENTS, THOSE WERE THE AREAS THAT THAT WE WE SUGGESTED. SO ANYWAY, THAT'S THAT IN TERMS OF JUST SAYING FOCUS ON GATEWAYS, I'D SAY THAT THAT WOULD BE THAT WOULD BE MAYBE TOO VAGUE. WE TRY TO ISOLATE WHAT WE SAW AS THE FRONT DOORS. WELL, I'LL I'LL BACK UP TO WHAT I SAID INITIALLY IS I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IN THE DOCUMENT, THE OPPORTUNITY IS THERE SO THAT IF AND WHEN MANAGEMENT AND STAFF DECIDE TO FOCUS ON A STRATEGY FOR SOME OF THESE

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WE HAVEN'T FULLY REALIZED OUR VISION, PLANNING PRINCIPLES PROBABLY OUGHTN'T MOVE AROUND THAT MUCH INSIDE OF TEN YEARS. AND THESE PRIORITY POLICY AREAS ARE AREAS OF FOCUS THAT ARE THE ONES THAT ARE MOST LIKELY TO MOVE AROUND, BUT NOT WITHIN THE FIRST FIVE YEARS. SO WHEN SOMEBODY COMES IN WITH A NEW IDEA, IT'S NOT SPECIFICALLY LISTED IN THE PLAN. BUT YOU'RE GOING TO ASK YOURSELF IS, HOW DOES THIS MOVE US TOWARD OUR VISION FASTER THAN SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY LISTED IN THE PLAN, RIGHT. DOES THIS MOVE US TOWARD OUR VISION? DOES THIS ALIGN WITH OUR PLANNING PRINCIPLES, AND DOES THIS FALL INTO ONE OF THOSE PRIORITY POLICY AREAS? IF YOU CAN'T ANSWER ALL OF THOSE QUESTIONS, YES, YOU'RE PROBABLY CHASING THE WRONG CAR. AND AND SO I THINK, MAYOR, TO YOUR POINT, THE INTENT THERE IS TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF FREEDOM. I AND I KNOW YOU ALL ARE VERY ACTION ORIENTED FOLKS, AND I AM TOO.

I'M AN IMPLEMENTATION NUT. LIKE, I WANT TO SEE THESE THINGS MOVE FORWARD. BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THAT THAT WE HAVE A WAY TO GAUGE IDEAS AND THAT WE HAVE A WAY, A WAY TO INTRODUCE NEW STUFF TO THE TABLE AND NOT JUST LOCK PEOPLE OUT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T SPECIFICALLY LIST. SO I THINK THAT GETS AT WE TALKED ABOUT. MR. ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT? RIGHT NOW? YEAH. I WAS JUST GOING TO ADD AND THIS CAME UP LAST NIGHT, YOU KNOW, THE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OBVIOUSLY IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE. YOU KNOW, AS THINGS EVOLVE AND WE LEARN NEW THINGS AND WE SEE WHAT WORKS AND WHAT WHAT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ALWAYS COME AND AND MAKE AMENDMENTS TO, TO THE COMP PLAN.

SO WE'RE NOT LOCKED INTO EXACTLY WHAT'S WHAT'S HERE TODAY. SO WE'VE GOT SOME FLEXIBILITY AND THAT'S, THAT'S THAT'S THE GOOD PART. YOU KNOW AS WE GET READY TO TO DO THE ZONING REWRITE, WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO, YOU KNOW, LEARN SOME NEW THINGS WITH THAT TOO, YOU KNOW. BUT THAT'LL THAT'LL REQUIRE US TO COME BACK HERE AND MAKE SOME TWEAKS. BUT TO ME THAT'S A GOOD THING THAT WE'RE NOT, LIKE, TOTALLY JUST LOCKED INTO THIS. YOU KNOW WHAT WE HAVE TONIGHT AND WE'VE GOT A LITTLE FLEXIBILITY. OKAY, MAYOR, I FLIP THROUGH HERE. 67 ITSELF IS MENTIONED DOZENS OF TIMES. WELL, A DOZEN TIMES OR MORE IN HERE. IT'S JUST IT'S IN HERE A LOT. WELL YES AND NO. YES. IT IS IN THERE A LOT. BUT SO IS CEDAR RIDGE AND SO IS MAIN STREET AND SO IS EVERYTHING ELSE. WELL, I'M LOOKING AT IT AS A SPECIFIC STRATEGY.

SOMEWHERE DOWN THE ROAD. YOU KNOW, IT TAKES MONEY. AND SO WE'RE NOT IN A POSITION TO TO START THAT STRATEGY AT ANY TIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE. BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T LOSE SIGHT OF THE VALUE OF 67, BECAUSE THAT IS, AS ONE PERSON SAID, THAT'S OUR 161. AND WE'RE GETTING ALL THESE PEOPLE FROM DOWN SOUTH THAT ARE COMING THROUGH HERE EVERY DAY, AND THEY'RE GOING BACK THAT SAME WAY WHEN THEY GO HOME ALL THE WAY OUT TO CLEBURNE, VENUS, MIDLOTHIAN, WHEREVER THEY'RE COMING FROM, WE'VE GOT WE'VE GOT A CAPTIVE AUDIENCE, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT BACKS UP AND THEY GOT A STOP. AND SO I WANT TO I WANT TO LEAVE. I WANT TO KNOW THAT THAT WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING AT WHEN THAT OPPORTUNITY COMES UP, WE'RE BETTER OFF FINANCIALLY AND WE'VE GOT SOME OF THESE OTHER THINGS STARTED. MAIN STREET REDEVELOPMENT CAMP WISDOM THAT WE WE DON'T LOSE THE OPPORTUNITY TO JUMP ON 67

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AND THERE'S JUST AS MANY CARS COMING UP IT IF YOU GO OUT THERE IN THE MORNING, YOU JUST SEE THEM ALL COMING IN. SO ANYWAYS, I'M DONE WITH THAT PART. BUT YES, I DID NOTICE IT WAS MENTIONED IN THERE QUITE A BIT, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT DOOR IS OPEN. IT SOUNDS LIKE IT IS. AND SO WHEN STAFF GETS TO THAT POINT SOMEWHERE DOWN THE ROAD, THEY CAN GO IN THAT DIRECTION. SO THANK YOU FOR THE EXPLANATION I APPRECIATE IT. YES, SIR. AND AS MARK SAID, SOMETIME THESE PRIORITIES CAN SHIFT, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON WHERE WE GO. I MEAN IT'S IT'S THE PLAN AS OUTLINED. BUT LIKE I SAID, IT'S KIND OF A LIVING, BREATHING DOCUMENT. AND WE NEED TO WHEN YOU'RE STILL KEEPING YOUR EYE ON THE BALL. BUT IF YOU NEED TO TO ADJUST THE BALANCE, YOU CAN DO IT, YOU KNOW. SO MISS DEAL ARTICULATED IT REALLY WELL THIS MORNING. YOU KNOW, EACH EACH DEPARTMENT HAS A WORK PLAN. THAT WORK PLAN IS GOING TO EVOLVE OVER TIME. AND AND IF MANAGEMENT AND AND COUNCIL LEADERSHIP CAN KIND OF YOU DON'T YOU DON'T NEED TO BECAUSE YOU GOT A GOOD TEAM. BUT KEEP YOUR TEAM ACCOUNTABLE TO THE PRIORITIES OF THE PLAN. MAKE SURE THAT THE WORK PLANS ALIGN TIGHTLY TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PRINCIPLES SO THAT IF SOMEBODY IF A STAFF PERSON WANTS TO COME IN AND REQUEST A BUDGET ENHANCEMENT FOR A GIVEN PROJECT OR A GIVEN INITIATIVE, YOU CAN ASK, YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TO ASK IN THE REQUEST. IT SHOULD SAY THIS ADVANCES THESE ELEMENTS OF THE COMP PLAN, AND THIS ADDRESSES THE VISION OF THE COMP PLAN IN THIS WAY. AND SO WHEN YOU'RE WHEN YOU'RE TAKING A LOOK AT THOSE STAFF WORK PLANS, YOU WON'T HAVE TO ASK BECAUSE YOUR STAFF IS GOOD.

BUT BUT IF YOU CAN'T FIGURE IT OUT PERFECTLY, ASK THEM TO CLARIFY HOW DOES THIS ALIGN WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS UP HERE IN THIS IN THIS POLICY SPACE. AND YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD PROJECTS AND WORK PLANS THAT ALIGN DIRECTLY. AND EACH TIME COUNCIL'S GOING TO HAVE A BITE AT THE APPLE AND STAFF LEADERSHIP'S GOING TO HAVE A BITE AT THE APPLE I. I'VE EXPERIENCED WHERE YOU HAVE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS THE OVERALL VISION VISION AND THEN THE CITY SETS ITS BUDGET AND THEIR FUTURE PLANS. EACH DEPARTMENT HAS STRATEGIC GOALS AND OBJECTIVES BASED ON HOW DO WE ACCOMPLISH THIS BIG GOAL. SO IT MAY SEEM VAGUE IN SOME AREAS, AND IT MAY NOT SEEM VAGUE IN SOME AREAS, BUT IT IS THAT WAY ON PURPOSE. SO THAT WAY YOU DON'T HAVE TO CONTINUE HAVING A BIG IDEA AND YOU CREATE YOUR STRATEGIC PLAN, YOUR ACTION PLANS, YOUR DEPARTMENTAL PLANS ON YOUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT PLANS. EVERYTHING IS THEN START TO BE PLANNED BASED ON WHAT'S IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IT SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF PLANNING, BUT WE'RE ALREADY DOING THAT. WE'RE ALREADY HAVING A NUMBER OF PLANS COME UP. WE HAVE THE DRAINAGE MASTER PLAN THAT TIES INTO HERE. WE HAVE REVITALIZATION AND ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS. IT ALL TIES BACK INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, SO IT WON'T BE VERY DETAILED, SPECIFIC. IT'S NOT DESIGNED TO BE DETAILED SPECIFIC. IT CAN'T BE DETAILED SPECIFIC. BECAUSE IF IT IS THEN YOU HAVE TO KEEP COMING BACK, CHANGING IT AND THEN GOING AND GO HIRE SOMEBODY ELSE TO DO ANOTHER ONE. AND YOU RESTRICT YOURSELF TO CERTAIN THINGS. SO I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT, THAT IT'S AN OVERALL VISION IDEA. AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE STARTS TAKING ITS ORDERS FROM THAT. OTHER QUESTIONS. SO LET ME JUST GO ON. HERE WE GO. THERE'S A WORKSHOP. RIGHT. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR. THE WORK PART INTO IT NOW I GUESS. OKAY. AND BY THE WAY, WITH BEING SPECIFIC, THAT THE MORE VAGUE IT IS, THE MORE IT'S OPEN TO INTERPRETATION. SO ONE PERSON LOOKS AT IT AND SEES ONE THING AND SAYS WE SHOULD GO THIS WAY. THE PERSON SAYS, NO, I SEE THIS. YOU SHOULD GO THIS WAY. AND WE GET STUCK IN THE MIDDLE. SO IN ON PAGE EIGHT, IT HAS THE THE VISION STATEMENT.

WOULD WE WANT TO MOVE FOR US, INCLUDING ANY LANGUAGE THAT INDICATES THAT DUNCANVILLE IS A DISTINGUISHED COMMUNITY? I KNOW A LOT OF TIMES WE GET. COMING FROM DALLAS AND, YOU KNOW, HARDLY ANY DISTINCTION BETWEEN US AND DALLAS AND DUNCANVILLE AND CEDAR HILL AND DUNCANVILLE

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BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THAT THAT THAT WOULD MENTION SOMEWHERE THAT WE THAT WE WERE DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT IN SOME WAY. YEAH, I'D HAVE TO I'D HAVE TO THINK ABOUT I MEAN, CERTAINLY THAT'S THE INTENTION. RIGHT. YOU'RE WE TALKED A LOT AT THE STEERING COMMITTEE, AT THE STEERING COMMITTEE LEVEL ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE ARE COMPETING. WE'RE COMPETING WITH CEDAR HILL AND LANCASTER AND AND DESOTO FOR RESIDENTS. WE'RE COMPETING MUCH MORE. THE BEST SOUTHWEST REGION IS COMPETING WITH OTHER AREAS OF OF THE METROPLEX AND BEYOND. AND SO I THINK YOUR POINT, COUNCILOR, COUNCILOR KOONTZ IS A GOOD ONE ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE WE'RE CLEAR THAT THAT THIS IS A DIFFERENT PLACE AND INTENTIONALLY SO, SO RECOMMENDATION. SO YOU KNOW, COUNCIL THINKS AND I'M TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE VISION STATEMENT THAT IN PARTICULAR JUST SOME LANGUAGE IN THERE MAYBE. SO IN THERE IT SAYS WITH A DISTINCTIVE MIX OF LOCALLY OWNED SHOPPING SO ON AND SO FORTH. THE SECOND PARAGRAPH, WHAT ARE YOU SAYING COULD BE DIFFERENT THAN THAT? WHY GO INTO DETAILS RIGHT NOW. SO WE WANT TO YEAH. WE DON'T WANT TO BE. SO WE TALK ABOUT DUNCANVILLE AND DOWNTOWN. WE WANT TO BE LIKE IT'S THE DISTRICT AND OUR BISHOP BISHOP ARTS DISTRICT. RIGHT. COMING INTO DUNCANVILLE AGAIN FROM THE DALLAS SIDE, SOME AREAS WHERE IT'S HARDLY DISTINGUISHABLE. RIGHT. WHAT WHAT IS OUR DISTINCTIVE CULTURE? WHAT ARE OUR DISTINCTIVE EVENTS THAT WE HAVE? RIGHT. WHAT WHAT ARE OUR DISTINCTIVE DRAWS AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF LANGUAGE BEING IN THERE. SO AND AGAIN, IT'S A RECOMMENDATION SO WE CAN MOVE ON. IT'S NOT THAT IMPORTANT. SO PAGE 30. FOR THE DOWNTOWN GOALS. SO IN THE VISION STATEMENTS AND BACK EARLIER IT INCLUDED THE WORD CULTURAL. SO GOALS NUMBER ONE CREATE A DOWNTOWN DISTRICT THAT'S VIBRANT COMMERCIALLY.

AND CIVIC CENTER. AND SO JUST MAKING SURE THAT THE CULTURAL IS INCLUDED IN THERE SO MANY.

DO YOU HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF HOW THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THAT ADDED IN. IT'S IN OUR BACK IN THE VISION STATEMENT ON THE FIRST PAGE. IT IS THERE. I'M JUST POINTING OUT IT'S OMITTED.

IT WOULD JUST SAY PAGE COMMERCIAL, CULTURAL AND CIVIC CENTER FOR THE COMMUNITY. RIGHT? YES. WHICH IS HOW YOU HAVE IT ON. YES, SIR. WE CAN UPDATE THAT. JUST AN OMISSION, THAT'S ALL. GOOD CATCH. AND THEN ON. 36 THROUGH 39 IT TALKS ABOUT ZONING. SO IN THE OVERVIEW THE DESCRIPTION OF THE SPECIAL ZONING DISTRICTS IT'S ON THE MAP BUT IT'S NOT IN THE OVERVIEW THAT THE PRESERVE DISTRICT THAT WE ESTABLISHED. SO THAT'S A SPECIAL ZONING DISTRICT. SO THAT WAS LEFT OUT OF THE OVERVIEW. I THINK YOU CAN FIND IT. IF IT'S NOT THERE WE WILL ADD IT. AGAIN. IT'S JUST THE LANGUAGE THERE. AND THEN SO SO. ON THE NEXT ONE. SO I AGAIN THIS IS ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO HAVE SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS. SO FOR THE PAGE 43. TALKING ABOUT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. AND SO RIGHT NOW IT HAS YOU GOT DOWNTOWN WHICH IS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE RIGHT. THE ORANGE. AND THEN NORTH OF THAT

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THE TEXAS PHASE. AND SO THE QUESTION THAT SO THAT, THAT AND THEN ALSO SOUTH MAIN STREET HAS A TON OF DENSITY. ALL RIGHT THERE, WE'VE GOT THERE'S SEVERAL CONDOS. RIGHT. THERE'S A THERE'S A HUGE APARTMENT COMPLEX IN THERE. AND SO AGAIN, THE IDEA IS THAT WE THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO APARTMENT LARGE APARTMENT MULTIPLE. YEAH. VERY HIGH DENSITY RIGHT THERE IN THAT AREA. COULD BE THAT COULD BE A COMMUNITY WITHIN A COMMUNITY ON SOUTH MAIN STREET.

AND SO AGAIN, HELP ME OUT. HELP ME OUT BECAUSE THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT COLORS OF RED HERE.

AND SOUTH MAIN STREET IS A LIGHTER COLOR, AS IS NORTH MAIN STREET TO ABOUT CAMP WISDOM.

AND THEN THE OTHER RED SIGNIFIES GATEWAY CORRIDORS, RIGHT. SO THE LIGHT PINK IS MAIN STREET, BUT IT'S DIVIDED BY DOWNTOWN, WHICH IS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF IT. RIGHT? YEAH.

SO JUST WE DID HAVE THIS DISCUSSION AT STEERING COMMITTEE LEVEL AND WHAT IT BOILED DOWN TO WAS WE POSED THE QUESTION TO THE STEERING COMMITTEE THERE CLEARLY. AND YOU CAN SEE HIM TODAY ON THE GROUND, AS YOU POINT OUT THERE, DEVELOPING OUT THEIR OWN STYLE AND THEIR OWN CHARACTER. BUT THE STEERING COMMITTEE STRUGGLED TO IDENTIFY HOW LAND USE WOULD BE DIFFERENT BETWEEN THE TWO. SO WHAT THE FUTURE LAND USE TRIES TO DO IS TO IDENTIFY LAND USES THAT WOULD BE UNIQUE TO A PARTICULAR AREA. AND SO WHAT WE WHAT WE RECOGNIZED WAS THE MAIN STREET CORRIDOR IS GOING TO BE DISTINCTIVELY DIFFERENT ON BOTH NORTH AND SOUTH. IT'S GOING TO BE DISTINCTIVELY DIFFERENT FROM DOWNTOWN AND DISTINCTIVELY DIFFERENT FROM THE GATEWAYS. AND THEY WOULDN'T BE DIFFERENT FROM EACH OTHER. THEY WILL BE.

THEY CAN BE IN DESIGN. THEY CAN BE IN FLAVOR, LIKE VISUAL APPEAL AND AND ORDER. BUT WHAT WE STRUGGLED TO DO AS A STEERING COMMITTEE WAS TO IDENTIFY HOW THEY WOULD BE DIFFERENT IN TERMS OF LAND USE AND SO WHAT THE WHAT THE LAND USE DISCUSSION SAYS IS ENCOURAGE A DIVERSITY OF COMMERCIAL, RETAIL, OFFICE, CIVIC AND RESIDENTIAL USES, CONNECTIVITY TO ADJACENT COMMUNITIES, OR IN THIS CASE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS, MEDIUM TO HIGHER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL OFFERINGS, VIBRANT BUSINESSES, COMMUNITY ANCHOR INSTITUTIONS PRIORITIZE INFILL AND ADAPTIVE REUSE AND ENSURE MULTIMODAL CONNECTIVITY THROUGHOUT THE DISTRICT. AND THE STEERING COMMITTEE LOOKED AT THAT AND SAID, WELL, IF WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT LAND USE, WHICH WE ARE, BECAUSE IT'S THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT LAND USE, THEN YES, THAT LAND USE CHARACTERIZATION DESCRIBES BOTH NORTH AND SOUTH MAIN STREET, HOW IT LOOKS, HOW IT FEELS, HOW PATRONS INTERACT WITH IT. THOSE ARE DRIVEN BY DESIGN STANDARDS AND NOT BY ZONING, TYPICALLY.

SO IF YOU CAN THINK OF LAND USES THAT ARE LIKELY TO EVOLVE OR THAT ARE NOT LIKELY. SO THIS IS ABOUT INTENTIONALITY, RIGHT? IF WE CAN THINK ABOUT LAND USES THAT WE WOULD PREFER TO EVOLVE IN NORTH MAIN STREET VERSUS SOUTH MAIN STREET, THEN WE SHOULD MAKE THAT DISTINCTION.

OTHERWISE WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT WHAT TYPES OF BUSINESSES WOULD BE THERE COMMERCIAL VERSUS INDUSTRIAL VERSUS SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL, ETC. BECAUSE AGAIN, SO SOUTH MAIN, SO THERE'S ALREADY A TON OF MULTIFAMILY THERE ALREADY, RIGHT? SO THAT THAT WOULDN'T DICTATE DIFFERENT ADJACENT LAND USES THAN NORTH MAIN STREET WHERE IT'S SINGLE FAMILY PRIMARILY ON BOTH SIDES. IF YOU WANTED NORTH MAIN STREET TO CONTINUE TO BE. DEVELOPED IN THAT SINGLE FAMILY FEEL, THEN YES, THE ANSWER IS YES. YOU WOULD CREATE A NORTH MAIN

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YES. THOSE FOLKS ARE SAYING WE'RE NOT GOING TO COME ALL THE WAY OUT HERE AND DO APARTMENTS OR COMMERCIAL, ARE YOU? AND THE ANSWER IS NO. RIGHT. THE THE DEEPER INTO THAT TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL YOU GET, THE MORE IT FEELS LIKE A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD. SO IF WE TAKE AND REMEMBER THAT AND YOU GOT THAT MAP IN FRONT OF YOU, SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT.

LOOK AT HOW MUCH OF THAT I'M THE WORLD'S MOST COLORBLIND PERSON, SO IT LOOKS YELLOW OR TAN TO ME. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT HOW MUCH YELLOW OR TAN THERE IS ON THAT MAP, THOSE ARE THE AREAS THAT EFFECTIVELY WE CAN'T GET MUCH DENSITY OUT OF. AND SO WE HAD TO ASK OURSELVES WHERE WHERE WERE THE APPROPRIATE AREAS TO CONTINUE TO ADD DENSITY. AND THAT MAIN STREET CORRIDOR SEEMED MOST APPROPRIATE FROM STEERING FROM THE STEERING COMMITTEES, OR SEEMED LIKE ONE OF THE MORE APPROPRIATE FROM A STEERING COMMITTEE PERSPECTIVE. SO AGAIN, WE'RE JUST DOWN TO ARE ARE THERE CERTAIN LAND USES IN NORTH MAIN THAT WE WOULD EXCLUDE TO BE DIFFERENT FROM SOUTH MAIN, THAT WE WOULD EXCLUDE FROM DOWNTOWN? YES.

DOWNTOWN'S ANOTHER DISTINCT LAND USE. RIGHT. BECAUSE WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT LAND USE THEN. I MEAN IT'S JUST THE SAME UP AND DOWN. RIGHT. WHAT WOULD THE DIFFERENCE COMES IN WITH THE ZONING, THE ORDINANCES THAT YOU PUT IN PLACE THERE? BECAUSE YOU CAN DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT WITH THIS LAND USE AS OPPOSED TO THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH. IS THAT WHAT WE'RE. THAT'S A GREAT POINT. THANK YOU FOR HITTING THAT. WE TALKED ABOUT IN THIS THIS COUNCIL LIVES AND BREATHES THIS STUFF. SO WE DON'T HAVE TO HAMMER IT HARD. BUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CURRENT LAND USE, FUTURE LAND USE AND ZONING. RIGHT. AND SO IF THE IF THE OR WHEN THE COUNCIL DECIDES IT'S TIME TO TUNE UP THE ZONING CODE, YOU CAN LOOK AT NORTH MAIN AND SAY, WE WANT IT TO LOOK AND FEEL LIKE THIS. SO WE CAN DIAL THAT IN WITH THE ZONING CODE, INCLUDING THINGS LIKE SETBACKS AND AMOUNT OF DENSITY, DESIGN REGULATIONS, SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS, ALL OF THOSE THINGS CAN HAPPEN DIFFERENTLY ON NORTH MAIN BY VIRTUE OF THE OF THE THE ZONING CODE. I WOULD SAY THAT A DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE MAIN STREET CORRIDOR AND THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT IS THE ARTS AND CULTURE DISTRICT CENTERED INTO IT. A HEAVY DENSITY OF MUNICIPAL AND CIVIC USES IN THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT, MUCH MORE OF A OF A SERVICE DISTRICT. DOWNTOWN IS GOING TO THE WHOLE CORRIDOR. WE'D LOVE TO FEEL SUPER WALKABLE, BUT DOWNTOWN IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE INTENSE, AND SO A LITTLE BIT MORE WALKABLE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE WHAT I WOULD SEE AS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NOW YOU'LL IF YOU LOOK AT THE AT THE CHARACTERIZATIONS OF THE TWO DISTRICTS OR THE TWO CHARACTER AREAS, YOU'RE ONLY ABLE TO PICK UP ON MINOR NUANCES. BUT THERE ARE IMPORTANT ONES. AND SO THAT THAT THAT WAS THE THOUGHT

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AND YOU'RE GOING UP AND DOWN SOUTH MAIN STREET BETWEEN WHEATLAND AND 6 OR 7. AND, BUT RIGHT NOW I WOULD SAY AT LEAST 50% OF THOSE PROPERTIES ARE VACANT FOR LEASE, UNOCCUPIED OR UNDER NOT UTILIZED. THERE ARE MULTIPLE VACANT LOTS. THERE ARE SOME SOME HOUSES THERE JUST NORTH OF DANIEL DALE THAT HAVE THEIR OWN DISTINCT CHARACTER. YOU'VE GOT THE FIELD HOUSE, WHICH HOPEFULLY WE CAN DO SOMETHING WITH THE LAND USE THAT CAPITALIZES ON FIELD HOUSE.

YOU'VE GOT A NATURE PRESERVE. NOW TO THE WEST. SO. AGAIN, I GUESS AS FAR AS LAND USE, WOULD WE MAKE BE MAKING THE SAME LAND USE DECISIONS DOWN THERE IN THAT AREA WITH THOSE ASSETS? WE'RE CREATING THE SAME VISION THAT WE WOULD HAVE ON NORTH MAIN STREET RIGHT NOW, WHERE IT'S JUST ALL THE AUTOMOTIVE STUFF, BASICALLY. NORTH MAIN IS IS A DIFFERENT DISTRICT. SO YOU'VE GOT MAINLY DISTRICT FIVE. SOUTH MAIN IS DISTRICT TWO NOW. SO NOW YOU'RE TALKING NORTH MAIN BEING NORTH OF CAMP WISDOM, NORTH OF I-20, JUST JUST NORTH OF DOWNTOWN. BUT YEAH. SO WE'RE BACK TO THAT AREA. REALLY, I THINK I THINK YOUR FOCUS IS MORE ON THE AREA. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT NORTH MAIN STREET THAT'S IN THAT LIGHTER, THAT LIGHT PINK OR WHATEVER THAT IS. SO WHERE THE AUTO SHOPS ARE ALL THE WAY UP TO THE. RIGHT, IS THAT RIGHT? OKAY. SO I AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU, I THINK IT'S I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION. I THINK THAT AS YOU LOOK AT IT CLEARLY TODAY, THOSE TWO CORRIDORS BEHAVE DIFFERENTLY. THEY'VE THEY'VE DEVELOPED DIFFERENTLY FOR LOTS OF DIFFERENT REASONS. BUT ALL OF THOSE THINGS I THINK THE YOUR INTENTIONAL CULTIVATION OF EACH AREA HAPPENS IN ZONING. THAT'S OUR THAT WAS THAT'S WHERE THE STEERING COMMITTEE LANDED BUT STARTS WITH COMPREHENSIVE ZONING HAS TO FOLLOW THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. YOU BET. SO FOR EXAMPLE. I'LL JUST MAKE SOMETHING UP. SO THIS IS NOT A RECOMMENDATION. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BECAUSE IT'S ITS OWN CONVERSATION. BUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CALLS FOR DENSIFICATION OF OF NORTH MAIN STREET. RIGHT. AND SO IT ALSO CALLS FOR DENSIFICATION OF THE MAIN STREET CORRIDOR. THAT MIGHT BE BEST ACHIEVED WITH 2 TO 3 STORY BUILDINGS IN ONE OF THOSE DISTRICTS AND 3 TO 5 STORY BUILDINGS IN ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE DISTRICTS, RIGHT, 2 TO 3 STORY BUILDINGS ON THE ON THE NORTH END AND 3 TO 5 STORIES ON THE SOUTH END. STILL MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL, STILL MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. BOTH CALLED FOR IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT THE ZONING CAN TURN THE THE DIAL ON IT AND SAY, LISTEN, THIS IS A DIFFERENT AREA. THIS CAN'T HAVE TOWERING BUILDINGS. IT HAS TO HAVE WE HAVE TO LIMIT THAT TO TO 50FT OR TO 40FT OR 30FT. YOU CREATE A LOOK AND A FEEL AND INTERACTIVITY THROUGH THE ZONING CODE. BUT THE UNDERLYING LAND USE ALIGNS AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ALIGNS IN BOTH CIRCUMSTANCES. YES, I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER KOONTZ IS WANTING TO SEE.

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YEAH. SO AND THE COMP PLAN, I MEAN THAT THAT ACTION ITEM, THERE'S ONLY THERE'S ONLY ONE ACTION ITEM UNDER FUTURE LAND USE IN MULTIPLE PARTS. AND IT DOES CALL FOR USING PRESCRIBED DESIGN DISTRICTS INSIDE OF THESE CHARACTER AREAS. AND SO THAT FLAVOR IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE GENERATED IN THE COMMUNITY VIA VIA A ZONING UPDATE STEERING COMMITTEE AND ULTIMATELY BY CITY COUNCIL. SO YOU'RE HEARING THAT DIRECTION AS YOU KICK OFF YOUR ZONING PROCESS IS GOING TO BE KEY. WHERE IS THAT REFERENCE TO DESIGN DISTRICT? IT'S ON PAGE 47. OF THE SECOND. THE SECOND BULLET THERE. THE USE OF DESIGN DISTRICTS AND KEY CORRIDORS AND CHARACTER AREAS. MR. KUNTZ, DOES THAT HELP YOU AT ALL KNOWING THAT SHE WOULD HAVE STARTED WITH THAT? OH, I'M SORRY, 15 MINUTES. I'M SORRY. YEAH. OKAY. SO THAT GETS YOU WANT TO BE OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THAT WAS A PRODUCTIVE, COMFORTABLE TRIP. YEP. OKAY, GOOD. I'VE GOT PLENTY. I DON'T WANT TO KEEP GOING. KEEP GOING. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR.

PAGE 45. SO AGAIN LOOKING FOR FUTURE LAND USE. MAP DOESN'T HAVE. CAMP WISDOM CEDAR RIDGE AREA. SO WHEN YOU COME OFF OF 67 AS A GATEWAY, I KNOW THE OTHER SIDE OF CEDAR RIDGE THERE AS YOU COME IN OFF OF 67, THE OTHER SIDE IS IS DALLAS RIGHT AS YOU'RE APPROACHING OR NOT? DALLAS. YEAH. DALLAS IS YOU'RE APPROACHING THE HIGH SCHOOL, BUT AGAIN, IT DOESN'T INDICATE THAT AREA AS A GATEWAY CORRIDOR, BUT I THINK IT SHOULD BE TREATED AS SUCH BECAUSE ANYBODY THAT'S COMING FROM THE WEST OFF OF 67 TO GO TO FOOTBALL GAMES OR ANYTHING ELSE AT THE HIGH SCHOOL IS GOING TO GO THROUGH THAT, THAT AREA. SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS WE TREAT THAT AS A GATEWAY CORRIDOR. TELL ME AGAIN WHAT STREET ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? CEDAR RIDGE CAMP WISDOM OKAY, SO THERE'S ALREADY A SO YOU'RE AT EXIT 67 ON CEDAR RIDGE IS LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO

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I THOUGHT YOU WERE TAKING THE LONG WAY TO GET TO THE HIGH SCHOOL 20 IN CEDAR RIDGE. WELL, WE DO WANT PEOPLE TO COME THROUGH OUR CORRIDORS. YEAH. SO JUST ON THE MAP, IT'S NOT, AGAIN, INDICATED TO BE A GATEWAY CORRIDOR. SO RECOMMENDED. IT SHOULD BE. ON THE MAP. SO. I TEND TO AGREE WITH MR. CURTIS IS THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN AREAS WHEN YOU GET TO COCKRELL HILL, CAMP WISDOM AND THAT STUFF. HERE'S DUNCANVILLE. SAME KIND OF THING APPLIES TO HIGH SCHOOL. ACROSS THE STREET IS DALLAS. WHEN PEOPLE PEOPLE GET UPSET AT THINGS THAT HAPPEN ON THE DALLAS SIDE AND DUNCANVILLE, THEY DON'T EVEN REALIZE THAT IT'S NOT OUR CITY, YOU KNOW? AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD OBSERVATION ABOUT THAT BEING A FOR, FOR OBVIOUS REASONS, TO BE A MAIN GATEWAY INTO THE CITY. BUT TRAFFIC STUDIES HAVE SHOWN IN THE PAST THAT THAT IS ALSO A CORRIDOR AS PART OF A CUT THROUGH. THAT PROBABLY IS NEVER GOING TO GO AWAY. AND SOME RESTAURANTS THAT HAVE MOVED IN DOWN THERE, FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS CAME THERE BECAUSE THEY RECOGNIZED THERE IS A LARGE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE TRYING TO AVOID 67 DURING THE PEAK HOURS THAT ARE COMING THROUGH, AND THEY'RE GOING ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE CEMETERY AROUND JOE WILSON AND GOING TO CEDAR HILL AND BEYOND. AND THEY THE THE RESTAURANT OWNERS HAVE GONE AND GOTTEN TRAFFIC STUDIES TO PROVE THAT OUT TO SEE. BUT WE CAN CATCH PEOPLE AT PUTS THE WINGS PLACE WINGSTOP THAT ONE THING THEY SAID WE'LL CATCH THEM BEFORE THEY GET TO CEDAR HILL. YEAH. SO THEY'RE GOING TO THEY'RE GOING TO GET DINNER IN DUNCANVILLE AND CEDAR HILL. SO THAT IS A GATEWAY. IT'S A HUGE GATEWAY AND THERE'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC. BUT THERE ALSO IS AND I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE CLARK ROADS A CUT THROUGH MAIN STREETS, A CUT THROUGH RESTAURANT OWNERS AROMAS. AND I THINK EVEN THE BISTRO HAS HAD PEOPLE. HOW DID YOU FIND OUT ABOUT US? WELL, WE CUT THROUGH HERE WHEN WE WENT TO MIDLOTHIAN TO GET OFF THE 67. SO GOING BACK TO MR. COON'S POINT. YEAH, THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT THAT THAT'S A MAJOR GATEWAY. THAT CEDAR RIDGE FROM I-20 ON SOUTH THAT THAT THAT IS A GATEWAY. AND SO SOMETIMES I HAVE A BAD HABIT OF ASKING QUESTIONS THAT ARE STATEMENTS. SO I'LL JUST BE CLEAR. THIS ISN'T A STATEMENT.

IT'S A REAL QUESTION. THE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP SHOWS OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP. THE CURRENT MAP SHOWS LOTS OF RESIDENTIAL IN THERE. LOTS OF SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL IN THERE IS THE IS THE WITH THE THE CURRENT CHARACTER AND YOUR INTENDED CHARACTER FOR THAT AREA. OKAY. WITH THE MORE INTENSIFIED USE THROUGH THERE, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT GATEWAY FROM A STATEMENT STANDPOINT. LIKE YOU ARE ENTERING DUNCANVILLE.

WELCOME. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GATEWAY CORRIDOR AS IT'S DESCRIBED IN THAT IN THAT LAND USE. WELL, THERE'S THREE UNDEVELOPED LOTS. THE TWO OF THEM UP OFF AROUND TOP JUST SOUTH OF I-20. AND THEN YOU HAVE THE ONE THAT CATTY CORNER FROM THE HIGH SCHOOL. AND THOSE ARE ALL I THINK THEY'RE NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE. ACTUALLY THERE'S FOUR BECAUSE RIGHT ABOUT THE 800 BLOCK, I THINK IT'S 880 IS THE ADDRESS BECAUSE I REPORT THAT A LOT FOR HIGH GRASS THAT IS ZONED NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE RIGHT THERE. SO YOU ACTUALLY HAVE FOUR COMMERCIAL LOTS COMING DOWN THROUGH THERE. SO THOSE COULD DEVELOP ONE DAY. I KNOW THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MAKE IT A GATEWAY SIMILAR TO BECAUSE ON THE ON THE WEST SIDE IT'S THE CITY OF DALLAS. SO WE'VE GOT WE'VE GOT NOTHING OVER THERE AND FORGET ABOUT RIGHT NOW. YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT IT TO BE IN THE FUTURE. AND AND AGAIN, YOU CAN JUST THE, THE EXACT EXAMPLE WE JUST USED, YOU CAN CREATE YOUR OWN DESIGN DISTRICT IN THAT AREA TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOES SOFTEN UP WHEN IT GETS TOO CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL. SO IF THAT AND THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT ABOUT THE SPECIFIC LOCATION, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT FROM 20 ALL THE WAY DOWN TO WHERE IT STARTS TO PICK UP THE SANTA FE TRAIL, 20 TO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO SANTA FE TRAIL? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT CAMP WISDOM AND AND CEDAR RIDGE DOWN TO THE

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HE REMINDS ME OF MYSELF DURING BUDGET SEASON, SO KEEP GOING. I UNDERSTAND WE CAN SAVE URBAN DESIGN FOR THE LAST. WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT. THAT. WE STARTED OUT TALKING ABOUT WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO DEFINE. YEAH. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS, RIGHT? YEAH. DID YOU GET THAT BY THE WAY.

YES, SIR. AND THAT THAT IS A DIDN'T COME FROM THE CONSULTANT THAT CAME FROM. MR. PENNYBAKER.

I DID MATCH A LOT OF THE COMMENTS. SO THAT'S WHY WE'LL GO OVER THAT. SOME OF THE OTHER DISTRICTS. NO. PAGE 46. SO THE STATEMENT THERE ON PAGE 46, UNDER THE INDUSTRIAL SECTION, IS THAT KIND OF MIDWAY THROUGH THE PARAGRAPH, THE CITY'S INDUSTRIAL LAND IS CONCENTRATED ALONG MAJOR TRANSPORTATION ROUTES WITH EASY ON AND OFF RAMP ACCESS. ONE OF THE INDUSTRIAL AREAS IS THE BIG STONE GAP IN THAT AREA, RIGHT. SO THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO LINE UP WITH WHAT THIS SAYS. AND WHAT'S THE EXPLANATION THERE? JUST AN OVERSTATEMENT. IT IS WHAT IT IS.

I MEAN, Y'ALL DIDN'T MAKE IT THAT WAY. THAT'S SO I GUESS WE CAN JUST CLEAN THAT UP. WELL.

WELL, NO. THE LANGUAGE WHAT'S HERE IS FINE, I GUESS. AGAIN, JUST THINKING ABOUT FUTURE LAND USE. YOU KNOW, THAT THAT INDUSTRIAL AREA. SO A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, WE APPROVED A I THINK IT WAS AN SUV FOR AUTOMOTIVE SALES. BIG STONE GAP. AND I REMEMBER LOOKING AT AERIALS OF THAT, THAT PROPERTY BEFORE IT WAS 1 OR 2 CARS. AND YOU KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW STARTING TO LOOK LIKE REDBIRD. AND IN THE BACK THERE'S A TON OF CARS THAT WEREN'T THERE BEFORE. AND SO I DON'T KNOW. AND I'VE GOT NO RECOMMENDATIONS HERE. BUT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT, THAT AREA, DO WE CONTINUE TO TO SEE IT AS AN INDUSTRIAL AREA OR DO WE POSSIBLY CONSIDER SOME WAY I DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THIS PLAN, BUT TRANSITIONING IT TO SOMETHING ELSE, BECAUSE THE ONLY THING YOU COULD DO WOULD BE AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF THESE TERMS HAVE CHANGED SINCE I USED THEM. IT'D BE COMMERCIAL OR LIGHT. COMMERCIAL IS THE NEXT THING BELOW INDUSTRIAL AND. I DON'T YOU KNOW, TO ME, MOST OF THE INDUSTRIAL, THE INDUSTRIAL IS GOING TO BE PIONEER FOODS. AND WHAT I STILL REFER TO AS QUALITY CABINETS, THOSE ARE TRUE INDUSTRIAL TO ME. THERE'S SOME COMMERCIAL TYPE BUSINESSES SURROUNDING THOSE NORTH OF BIG STONE GAP, BUT SOUTH OF BIG STONE GAP. IT HAS AN INDUSTRIAL FLAVOR. BUT REALLY, WHEN YOU GO

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THERE'S, THERE'S LIKE FOUR DIFFERENT TYPES OF LAND USES IN THAT LITTLE SECTION RIGHT THERE CURRENTLY. YEAH. SO WHAT DOES IT SHOW THAT ONE TO THE WEST OF OF CEDAR RIDGE. WELL LET'S SEE NOT RETAIL WE HAVE. COMMERCIAL. YOU HAVE INDUSTRIAL. I MEAN THERE'S THERE'S OFFICE OR PUBLIC SEMIPUBLIC. SO THERE'S JUST A LOT RIGHT THERE. YEAH. COULD YOU REMIND US OF THE CONVERSATION WE WERE HAVING WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS WITH THE STEERING COMMITTEE WAS TALKING ABOUT AI AND ALL THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS OF THE DIRECTION THAT INDUSTRIAL AND TECHNOLOGY IS HEADED IN TECHNOLOGY SPACES. I THINK THAT'S WHERE, YES, THE THE STEERING COMMITTEE. SO THERE'S A AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DISCUSSION THAT INTERPLAYS WITH THIS. RIGHT. AND SO ORIGINALLY THE THE IDEA WAS TAKE THE EXISTING INDUSTRIAL AREAS AND JUST LOCK THEM IN AS INDUSTRIAL AND DON'T THINK BEYOND THAT. WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT IS THERE ENOUGH INDUSTRIAL LAND TO SUPPORT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN A, IN A REAL WAY TO GROW JOBS IN DUNCANVILLE. AND THERE WAS A CONCERN ABOUT TRADITIONAL MANUFACTURING AND, AND OTHER KIND OF TYPICAL USES ASSOCIATED WITH INDUSTRIAL LIKE LOGISTICS, TRUCK TRAFFIC AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND SO THE WE WE WERE JUST ABOUT TO DISCOUNT IT WHEN ONE OF THE STEERING COMMITTEE MEMBERS RAISED THE ISSUE OF INDUSTRIAL, THE INDUSTRIAL OF THE FUTURE IS MORE ALONG THE LINES OF PRECISION MANUFACTURING AND ADVANCED MANUFACTURING, THINGS THAT WOULD BE SUPER CLEAN AND AUTOMATED. THE. AND SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE COMMITTEE WAS COMFORTABLE LEAVING INDUSTRIAL AS THE AS THE RECOMMENDATION, ALTHOUGH I THINK TO TO THE POINT WE'VE MADE PREVIOUSLY ABOUT ABOUT BEING PRECISE WHEN WE CAN BE PRECISE IF DUNCANVILLE DOESN'T HAVE PRIORITY INTEREST IN TRADITIONAL KIND OF LEGACY MANUFACTURING AND PRODUCTION, THEN THEN BEING CLEAR THAT THE PRIORITY IS CLEAN TECH, THE PRIORITY IS IS ADVANCED AND PRECISION MANUFACTURING TO SO THAT THE CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS AND COMMUNITY IS IS IMPACTED AS IT MIGHT BE WITH TRADITIONAL MANUFACTURING. I THINK WHAT DOCTOR JONES WILL TELL YOU IS YOU CAN'T ZONE IT OUT, RIGHT.

YOU CAN'T ZONE OUT TRADITIONAL MANUFACTURING, BUT YOU CAN AT LEAST MAKE CLEAR IN THE PLAN THAT THE PRIORITY IS FOR CLEAN TECH AND ADVANCED AND PRECISION MANUFACTURING. THANK YOU. I WANTED THE COUNCIL TO HEAR THAT. SO THAT WAY WE CAN CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION OF IF WE STILL WANT TO KEEP IT THERE, IF WE WANT TO CHANGE BASED ON FUTURE POSSIBILITIES, OR WHAT IS IT THAT WE. BECAUSE THAT'S WHY WE ULTIMATELY LEFT IT PURPLE FOR INDUSTRIAL. THANK YOU FOR REMINDING ME OF THAT. THAT AREA, WHEN IT STARTED, IT WAS CONSIDERED THE GREATER DUNCANVILLE INDUSTRIAL PARK. SO THAT'S THE HISTORY OF THE ORIGIN OF IT. AND IT WAS BEFORE THE GREEN CORRIDORS TO BRING BUSINESSES IN THAT DIRECTION. YEAH. AND THERE ARE STILL A NUMBER OF CABINET WORKS. SOME PEOPLE HAVE PRINT BUSINESSES THERE THAT ARE DOING REALLY SO SO THERE ARE SOME FABRICATION MANUFACTURING. I MEAN, IT IS SOME INDUSTRIAL BUSINESSES THAT ARE STILL SERVING THAT PURPOSE AND DOING WELL, BUT THE EVOLUTION SEEMS TO HAVE ALREADY STARTED AND. YOU KNOW, I WAS DOING SOME RESEARCH ON CITIES THAT HAVE TRANSITIONED, AREAS

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AND JUST IMAGINE OTHER BUSINESSES SIMILAR, YOU KNOW, TO BODEGA SERVING. YOU KNOW, HIGHER DENSITY AREA. SO. I INTERRUPT TO ME, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THIS NEW LAND USE KIND OF TURNS MOST OF THAT AREA INTO IS THE HIGH DENSITY, BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S MAIN STREET ZONING THERE. IT'S NOT. AND THEN THAT OTHER LITTLE SECTION OVER THERE, THIS COULD BE A THIRD. THIRD COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. YEAH. MAIN STREET DISTRICT OR THAT COULD BE A THIRD MAIN STREET DISTRICT. WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE YOU'RE ACTUALLY INDUSTRIALS ARE STILL LOOKING AT AROUND BIG STONE GAP AREA. OH YEAH. BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED MAIN STREET SO. WELL MAIN STREET MAIN STREET ZONE DISTRICT. RIGHT. SO IT'S THE SAME AS THIS THIS AND THIS. BUT YOU CAN HANDLE THIS DIFFERENTLY THAN THESE TWO. AND YOU HAD IT ALL DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE WHEN YOU GO INTO SONY THAT'S THE INDUSTRIAL. THE INDUSTRIAL IS JUST A SMALLER PART. YEAH. BUT KNOWING THAT AREA I CAN SEE WHAT THESE OTHER PARTS OF THIS WOULD BE MUCH EASIER AND QUICKER TO TURN INTO THE, THE HIGHER DENSITY. ARE YOU ARE YOU SUGGESTING GETTING RID OF THE INDUSTRIAL. MAYBE SO, AS YOU SAID BEFORE. SO WE COULD I GUESS. WHAT WOULD YOU SAY LIKE ISOLATED MAYBE. I THINK SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.

RIGHT. AND JUST LET IT BE WHAT IT IS AND LET IT EVOLVE AS IT'S EVOLVING RIGHT NOW TO, YOU KNOW, WE'LL PRAY ABOUT WHAT EVOLVES TO IF WE LEAVE IT PURPLE. BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DELIBERATE ABOUT WHAT WE ENVISION FOR THAT AREA, EVEN IF IT'S A HIGH LEVEL AT THIS POINT, I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE LEFT INDUSTRIAL. DID YOU LOOK AT THE PRIOR LAND USE AROUND THERE AND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE CURRENTLY COMPARED TO THIS? SO THE TALK ABOUT THE PURPLE. YEAH, RIGHT. WELL, I MEAN I'M TALKING ABOUT EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S AROUND INDUSTRIAL I KNOW. BUT WHAT WE'VE DONE AROUND THAT IS KIND OF CLEANED EVERYTHING UP AROUND THERE WITH ONE SINGULAR LAND USE COMPARED TO WHAT IT WAS. THERE WAS A HODGEPODGE OF LAND USES IN THAT OTHER AREA AROUND IT. SO IT OPENS UP THAT THE THE PLAN DOES THAT. YEAH. YEAH. THE PLAN CHARGES THE TEAM WITH RECAP. SO THE I THINK WHAT COUNCIL PENNEBAKER IS TALKING ABOUT IS THIS IS THE CURRENT LAND USE IN THAT AREA. SO IT'S LIKE A CHECKERBOARD. SEE WHAT YOU MEAN. YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH.

AGAIN I SAW THAT. SO IF WE'RE OKAY WITH IT BEING PURPLE, WE CAN MOVE ON. YEAH. SO A COUPLE OF YEARS FROM NOW, WE'LL SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. I FINALLY CAUGHT UP WITH EVERYBODY. I ON PAGE 41 IS THE CURRENT ZONING MAP. AND THEN I SEE WHAT MR. PENNEBAKER WAS LOOKING AT FOR FUTURE LAND USE MAP. ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT, SO WE'LL MOVE ON. GOOD DISCUSSION. I WANT TO GIVE SOMEBODY ELSE A CHANCE. YOU KNOW, I ASSUME. JUST GO. JUST GO. YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S WHY I'M REMINDED WHICH WHILE HE'S GETTING HIS NEXT QUESTION, I DO WANT TO MAKE MY COMMENT. MAYOR, I DO WANT TO COMMEND. OUR FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR ALL THE WORK THAT AS WELL AS MRB AS WELL AS THE CITIZENS. AND IT'S TOUGH BECAUSE I WENT TO A LOT OF EFFORTS TO GET THIS. IT'S BEEN THROUGH EVERYBODY NOW RESTING HERE. SO I DON'T KNOW IF I CALL THIS RESTING WRESTLING, MAYBE. SO. PAGE 49. AND YOU KNOW, MY THOUGHT AGAIN, WHEN WE DISCUSSED HAVING A

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I'M JUST WANTING TO SEE IF THAT IF THAT, IF THAT LANGUAGE THAT'S USED THERE HELPS JEREMY.

AND SO IT SAYS IN HERE GOAL NUMBER ONE. AND WE'RE ON PAGE 75. GOAL NUMBER ONE SAYS ENCOURAGE SAFE MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION NETWORKS TO INCREASE CONNECTIVITY AND WALKABILITY THROUGHOUT DUNCANVILLE. INCREASE. GOAL THREE IS INCREASED CONNECTIVITY TO REGIONAL MOBILITY SYSTEM, INCLUDING HIGHWAYS, PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, FREIGHT AND TRAIL AND BICYCLE NETWORKS. SO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT INTERNAL TO THE CITY, AND THREE IS TALKING ABOUT HOW WE GET TO DALLAS. AND IF ANYBODY EVER WOULD WANT TO GO THERE, CEDAR HILL AND SO, ETC. SO. YOU KNOW, IF TAKEN A LITTLE BIT OF EDITORIAL, THIS IS YOUR EDITORIAL SESSION. BUT I WOULD SAY THAT THE WORD EXPAND IN THAT, IN THAT OR IN THE

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SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE YOU'RE ALREADY HALF A STEP FORWARD ON. PAGE 50. I JUST WANT TO LET YOU WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT YOUR PICTURES. I SEE A PICTURE OF ME. OH MY GOD. LET'S TAKE MY MESSY SKILLS. YEAH. Y'ALL NEED TO PUT A NUMBER TEN ON MY BACK OF MY SHIRT. JUST LIKE MAKE SURE YOUR MESSY SKILLS THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS. OH, YEAH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. RIGHT. ACTUALLY, THIS IS SOMETHING I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT. IT'S ACTUALLY REALLY GOOD. I'M REALLY GLAD IT'S IN HERE. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY PAYS ATTENTION. IT SAYS THE LAST PARAGRAPH THERE ABOVE ME SCHOOL IN IT SAYS THE CITY MUST NOT DUPLICATE. OR FINALLY, THERE ARE NUMEROUS OTHER ORGANIZATIONS WORKING WITHIN THIS REALM ALREADY. THE CITY MUST NOT DUPLICATE THIS WORK INEFFICIENTLY AND MUST COLLABORATE WITH OTHERS ALREADY DOING GREAT WORK TO BENEFIT BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY AND IMPROVE LIVES. AND YOU KNOW MY EXPERIENCE, A LOT OF DIFFERENT AREAS HAS BEEN THAT THE CITY HAS ALMOST HAD A POLICY OF DISCOURAGING SOME OF THESE GROUPS, AND SOME OF THE COLLABORATIONS HAVEN'T WORKED FOR WHATEVER REASON. YOU KNOW, THEY JUST HADN'T WORKED OUT. YOU KNOW, HERE'S SOMEONE OFFERING A SERVICE OR SOMEONE OFFERING, YOU KNOW, THE FUNDRAISING, WHATEVER THEY'RE DOING, AND THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE THE CITY IS BEING A GOOD PARTNER. I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S THAT'S HUGE. SO I'M DEFINITELY GLAD THAT'S IN THERE. ALL RIGHT. PAGE 53. AND THIS IS ACTUALLY A QUESTION WITH. PAGE FOUR. SO ON THE GOALS FOR NUMBER TWO. SO TALKING ABOUT LIVABLE NEIGHBORHOODS MAINTAIN AND REPAIR EXISTING HOUSING STOCK TO SUPPORT NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY VITALITY. AND THEN. I THINK SOME SOMEWHERE IN THE ACTIONS I GUESS MY QUESTION IS SO WHAT. WHAT WHAT CAN A CITY DO. SO YOU GOT PEOPLE WHO HAVE PRIVATE PROPERTIES, RIGHT? AND IT MENTIONS A ZONING CODE AND, YOU KNOW, THINGS WE CAN DO ON THAT SIDE OF THINGS. BUT AS FAR AS PROGRAMS AND I DON'T KNOW, CAN CITIES OFFER INCENTIVES OR HOW DO WE ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO, YOU KNOW, IMPROVE THEIR OWN PROPERTIES BEYOND JUST NO OUTDOOR STORAGE? RIGHT? RIGHT. YEAH, I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT

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LET'S USE THAT AS THE EXAMPLE TODAY. THEY'VE GOT LEAKY WINDOWS. NEW WINDOWS ARE NEEDED.

THE PERSON COMES IN, THEY'VE THEY'VE SCOPED THIS PROJECT AND SAID IT'S GOING TO COST ME $20,000 TO PUT NEW WINDOWS IN MY HOUSE. THE CITY STRIKES A GRANT AGREEMENT WITH THE HOMEOWNER. THE HOMEOWNER EXECUTES THE PROJECT ACCORDING TO THE GRANT AGREEMENT, BRINGS BACK THE CITY'S, BRINGS BACK THE THE DOCUMENTATION CODE ENFORCEMENT, VISITS THE HOME AND MAKE SURE THAT THE WORK WAS COMPLETED IN A WORKMANLIKE MANNER, AND THE CITY REIMBURSES THE HOMEOWNER UP TO $20,000. THOSE CAN COME IN THE FORM OF GRANTS. THOSE CAN COME IN THE FORM OF LOANS. AND AND THAT COST IS ALL WELL, TYPICALLY 80% OF THAT COST IS ATTRIBUTABLE TO THE FEDERAL OR STATE FUNDING SOURCE. RIGHT. THE THE OTHER METHOD IS OR PERHAPS A PARTNERING METHOD OR A PAIRED METHOD WOULD BE TO FOR THE CITY TO RETAIN. AN ADVISOR, AN ARCHITECTURAL ADVISOR WHO COULD GO OUT AND HELP THE HOMEOWNER SCOPE THE IMPROVEMENT SO THAT THE HOMEOWNER COULD GET THAT, GET THAT PROJECT APPROPRIATELY SCOPED. THE CHALLENGE ALWAYS IS.

I USE I USE THIS EXAMPLE OFTEN, BUT LIKE A WIDOW OR A WIDOWER, OLDER, LIVING IN A HOUSE BY THEMSELVES GOT A LEAKY ROOF. THEY'RE NOT TYPICALLY SAVVY AT GOING OUT AND SOLICITING BIDS FOR A NEW ROOF AND AND ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED OF A FEDERAL PROGRAM.

SO I NEVER WANT TO SAY THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE NO BURDEN ON STAFF. YOU WILL HAVE TO HAVE SOME STAFF SUPPORT TO HELP PEOPLE PACKAGE THAT PROGRAM. I'VE GONE WAY DEEPER IN THE WEEDS THAN YOU PROBABLY NEEDED TO KNOW. THE HIGHER LEVEL PICTURE IS THERE ARE PROGRAMS TO MODEL YOUR PROGRAM AFTER THERE ARE FEDERAL AND STATE FUNDING SOURCES TO BRING TO BEAR, TO SUPPORT. HOMEOWNERSHIP IS ALMOST ALWAYS EXCLUSIVE TO LOW AND MODERATE INCOME RESIDENTS. THAT'S GOOD. YOU KNOW, MY CONCERN WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING WE MAY, MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO IMPLEMENT WITHOUT SENDING OUT STAFF TO FIX PEOPLE'S HOUSES. IT SOUNDS LIKE, CAN I CAN I ADD ONE MORE THING? ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING, ANYWAY, AFTER THE JOINT MEETING WAS HAVING DIFFERENT GROUPS OR WHATEVER TO COME IN AND BE ABLE TO KIND OF BRIDGE THE GAP BETWEEN RESIDENTS AND THE CITY AND JUST HELP WITH THINGS. AND SO LIKE ONE OF THE THINGS THEY WAS TALKING ABOUT WAS DEVELOPMENT.

AND I KNOW THERE ARE GROUPS AS WELL AS ANOTHER OPTION WHO PUTS IT AS PART OF THEIR PROGRAM. SO WE'VE HAD AT LEAST TWO DIFFERENT GROUPS WHO WAS WILLING TO VOLUNTEER THEIR TIME TO HELP WITH DEVELOPMENT AS FAR AS RESIDENTIAL, TEACHING THEM HOW TO DEVELOP, TEACHING THEM HOW TO KEEP THEIR LAND. TEACHING KIDS, IN FACT, IS ONE OF THEM. TEACHING KIDS HOW TO DO DEVELOPMENT AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. AND SO IT MAY GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ONE TO HELP BUILD THE TRUST BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE RESIDENTS, BUT ALSO IT PRESENTS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO GO OUT AND MAKE IT AS PART OF THEIR PROGRAM TO GO OUT AND HELP, BECAUSE IT TEACHES THEM, ON THE OTHER END, HOW TO DO THESE DEVELOPMENTS BY ACTUALLY DOING THE DEVELOPMENT,

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YEAH. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. AND THEN I HAVE ONE RECOMMENDED RECOMMENDED ADDITION TO THE ACTION PLANS HERE FOR LIVABLE NEIGHBORHOODS, WHICH IS. BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY COMMISSION. SO SOMEWHERE IN THESE ACTION ITEMS HERE THAT THEIR GOALS AND THEIR MISSION BE ORIENTED AROUND SPECIFICALLY, WHAT'S THE GOALS OF THIS PLAN? SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT BECAUSE I THINK THE QUESTION HAS BEEN, WHAT DO THEY DO? WHAT'S THEIR PURPOSE? AND IT'S THIS PRETTY MUCH DEFINES WHAT THEY SHOULD BE DOING. YOU KNOW, THE KIND OF RECOMMENDATIONS THEY MAKE AND THE WORK THAT THEY DO. SO UPDATE THEIR MISSION. YEAH. SO YOU'RE TALKING YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BIG IDEAS HERE. YEAH. PAGE 56 IS THE ACTUAL ACTION PLAN. SO PUT THAT INTO THE ACTIONABLE ITEMS. YOU CAN CRAFT THAT LANGUAGE IF THAT'S COUNCIL'S PREFERENCE. AND DO WE WANT TO ADD THAT TO NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY ITSELF TO THIS. WILL THEY BE AROUND IN 2040. THAT'S A QUESTION. OR DO WE WANT TO BE AROUND NEXT MONTH.

AND IF THEY ARE I GUESS THAT'S MY QUESTION. YOU KNOW, IF WE PLAN ON KEEPING THEM. AND THIS IS WHAT WHAT'S GUIDING, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ASK THAT THE CITY MANAGER. WILL WORK WITH NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY OR THE STAFF LIAISON TO INCORPORATE THIS IN THEIR VISION OR MISSION PLAN. SO IF WE ADD IT IN HERE, WILL WE NEED TO COME BACK AND AMEND IT? IF IT'S NOT FAIR FIVE YEARS FROM NOW OR OR FIVE MONTHS, MASTER YOUR PLAN, RIGHT? YES, SIR. CAN ALWAYS CHANGE IN ALL THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS FOR THAT MATTER, ALIGNING WITH THE MASTER PLAN. NOT JUST THAT.

SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS ONE THOUGH, IT SEEMS LIKE NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY COMMISSION HAS A VERY SPECIFIC I MEAN, EVERY ONE OF THESE POINTS FOR THEM TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON ZONING AND EXPLORING OPPORTUNITIES TO UTILIZE ZONING AND CREATE NEIGHBORHOOD REVITALIZATION STRATEGIES FOR THAT POST. SO IT SEEMS LIKE THEY WOULD PLAY A VERY INTEGRAL PART IMPLEMENTING ALL OF THESE. WE CAN ADD THAT. DOES THAT GO UNDER KEY PARTNERS? IT WOULD. WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS TO ADD A ADD AN ACTION ITEM HERE. THAT'S. OR THAT WOULD BE TWO POINT. TWO POINT. ONE, 2.30, 2.30. THERE IT IS TO ADD 2.3 TO SAY ORIENT THE NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY COMMISSION COMMISSIONS CHARGED TO FOCUS ON THE GOALS OF THIS PRIORITY POLICY AREA.

IS THAT GOOD LANGUAGE? I HEAR IT, BUT I'M STILL KIND OF LIKE, DO WE NEED IT? BECAUSE WE HAVE COUNCIL STAFF LIAISON OR HERE, WHO KNOWS THE CHARGE? WELL, THIS WILL MAKE SURE THAT GETS DONE. IT'S IN THE PLAN. WELL, MINIMALLY THEY BECOME AS THEY SHOULD. THEY BECOME A KEY PARTNER IN EACH PRIORITY ACTION ITEM. YEAH. I MEAN, WOULD YOU AGREE, MR. COMBS? YES. YES.

OKAY. OKAY. POINT TWO IT'S EVERY EVERY OTHER COMMISSION CALLS THE SAME LINE. I DON'T THINK AS MUCH AS AS THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BE. THIS ONE. I MEAN, THEY'RE TALKING THEIR LANGUAGE AND ESPECIALLY AT 2.4, CREATE NEIGHBORHOOD REVITALIZATION STRATEGIES. I MEAN, THAT'S THEM RIGHT THERE. AND THE ONLY REASON I UNDERSTAND THE OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. BUT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY COMMISSION. YEAH. DO WE NEED THEM DO WE NOT. AND AGAIN THIS THIS GIVES THEM VERY CLEAR OBJECTIVE. OKAY. WE'RE GOOD WITH IT. THAT'S FINE. WE GOT OKAY. WE GOT $5. ALL RIGHT. WHAT'S NEXT I'LL LET THEM TALK

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RIGHT. AND SO JUST MAKING SURE THAT THAT'S IF WE IF WE SWAPPED TWO FOR ONE MOVE, MOVE TWO UP TO ONE AND THEN SAID ENCOURAGE REDEVELOPMENT THROUGH STRATEGIC INFILL TO MAXIMIZE TAX VALUE PER ACRE AND REDUCE UNDERUTILIZED INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL SITES. THAT IS GOAL NUMBER ONE. REDEVELOPMENT WAS PROMINENTLY FEATURED IN THAT STATEMENT. AS LONG AS THE WORD IS SOMEWHERE THERE, YOU GOT IT, COUNCIL. OKAY. YEAH, THAT SOUNDS GOOD. PUT IN BOLD.

UNDERLINE. RED. YOU WANT YOUR PICTURE NEXT TO THAT ONE TOO. WE SHOULD HAVE FOUND A WAY TO WORK ONE PICTURE PER COUNCIL MEMBER INTO THIS PLAN. I CAN TELL YOU I ONLY SAW TWO.

JEALOUS. AND JEROME IS IN HERE MORE THAN ONCE. OKAY. WHAT ELSE? I'M NOT LIKES TO BE IN PICTURES.

YES. ALL RIGHT, SO ON PAGE 60, THE REDEVELOPMENT TARGET AREAS. SO I GUESS MAYBE I JUST NEED SOME EXPLANATION ON IT. SO THE LEGEND THAT HAS POSSIBLE REDEVELOPMENT SITE IN ORANGE.

AND I KNOW WE HAVE WAY MORE THAN THAT. SO IS. YES, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS MORE EXPLANATION HERE. MORE DETAIL. SO UP AND DOWN MAIN STREET ITSELF RIGHT? I MEAN, IF I WERE DOING THIS, IT WOULD ALL BE ORANGE. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH, I THINK THAT I THINK A A FAIR TAKE IS. THAT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO IDENTIFY. EVERY POTENTIAL REDEVELOPMENT SITE IN THE CITY OF DUNCANVILLE. AND SO MAYBE I WOULD ASK THE, THE COUNCIL IF THAT, IF THAT EXHIBIT IS NEEDED HERE. NO. AND THE RECREATIONAL REDEVELOPMENT ALSO SEEMS INACCURATE. I MEAN THAT WOULD. BE ACCURATE. YOU WOULD HAVE TO INVEST A LOT OF TIME INTO DEVELOPING THAT. SO AGAIN, SOMEBODY FIVE YEARS FROM NOW THEY'RE LOOKING AT OKAY, WHAT POSSIBLE REDEVELOPMENT SITES WE'RE LOOKING FOR. I WOULD RECOMMEND. YEAH. SO WE WOULD WE CAN STRIKE THAT EXHIBIT. AND THEN THAT TAKES US TO 3.3 ON PAGE 61 DOES WORK WITH LOCAL DEVELOPERS AND PROPERTY OWNERS TO PURSUE THE REDEVELOPMENT OF UNDERUTILIZED AREAS IN THE CITY, TO CREATE MORE HOUSING OPPORTUNITY AND DIVERSE MIXED USE SPACES. AND IT SAYS, REFER TO REDEVELOPMENT TARGET AREAS. SO I WOULD JUST STRIKE THAT IF THAT'S OKAY. SO AT THIS POINT, NOT TO NOT TO STOP THE CONVERSATION AND THE OBSERVATIONS, BUT WE'RE NOW CHANGING A DOCUMENT THAT'S BEEN APPROVED BY TWO OF THE BODIES. CORRECT? YES, BUT I WOULD I WOULD POSIT THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY BUT I WOULD I WOULD POSITION THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE SO FAR ARE NOT RADICAL DEPARTURES FROM FROM THE PLAN THAT THOSE BOARDS SAW. SO I WOULDN'T I DON'T A IT'S TOTALLY WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW TO MAKE WHATEVER CHANGES YOU WANT. IF YOU STARTED TO GO THIS WAY,

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OKAY. WHATEVER IT TAKES JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE WE DON'T WE DON'T APPROVE SOMETHING AND THEN HAVE SOMEBODY COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T AGREE OR WE WEREN'T, WE WEREN'T TOLD. I THINK THIS WILL GET THE MESSAGE TO THEM. I'M SURE THEY'RE NOT ALL SITTING AT HOME WATCHING RIGHT NOW, BUT SOMEONE WE WRAP THIS UP, WE'LL MESSAGES. OKAY. SO WHEN WE WRAP THIS UP, AT LEAST WE'LL KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO IN A DIRECTION WHERE WE'RE COMPLETELY TRANSPARENT ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENED HERE TODAY, SO THAT IF THERE'S ANY NEED, TALK TO THE ATTORNEY. IF THERE'S A NEED TO GO BACK AND MAKE SURE WE GET THEIR NOD OF APPROVAL ON THIS. JUST AN OBSERVATION I'M MAKING. MY SENSE IS THAT THE CHANGES HAVEN'T BEEN SUBSTANTIAL ENOUGH. YEAH, YEAH, I WOULD AGREE. BUT WE'LL WE'LL RUN THE TRAPS. YEAH. JEREMY'S NOT DONE YET, BY THE WAY. SO. YEAH. AS JOE GROANS AS I TURN TO THE NEXT PAGE, A THIRD OF THE WAY THROUGH THIS. YEAH. NO, NO, NO, ACTUALLY I ONLY GOT THERE'S ONE MORE PAGE LEFT AND THE REST ARE REALLY IT'S NOT IT'S NOT AS MUCH. WE'RE ALMOST DONE. SO ON 75. YEAH. THIS IS JUST SOMETHING. PRIVACY EXPLANATION ON. SO GOAL NUMBER TWO. ON TRANSPORTATION NETWORKS AND MOBILITY. IT SAYS REDUCE ROAD SIZES TO MEET DEMAND. SO I GUESS I GUESS I NEED A LITTLE MORE EXPLANATION BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE DEMAND OF MORE TRAFFIC. RIGHT. SO THAT SEEMS COUNTERINTUITIVE. SO THERE'S THERE'S BALANCE. SO A THAT PRESUMES THAT THE ROAD DESIGN TODAY IS DESIGNED TO MEET CURRENT AND FORECASTED DEMAND. WE'RE NOT CERTAIN THAT THAT'S THE CASE. WE AND THIS CAME UP LAST NIGHT AS WELL. SO REDUCE ROAD SIZES TO MEET DEMAND, CREATE SAFER ROADS FOR USERS AND PROMOTE RESILIENCE THROUGH GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE.

WHAT THE WHAT THE ACTUAL FOLLOW THROUGH ON THAT WOULD BE IS THAT YOU NEED TO DO A, A TRANSPORTATION STUDY, A TRAFFIC STUDY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE WHAT THE CURRENT AND FORECASTED DEMAND DEMANDS ARE ON THE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK IN AREAS WHERE THE ROADS WERE DEVELOPED.

ANTICIPATING A DEMAND THAT HAS NOT OR IS NOT ANTICIPATED TO ARRIVE, THEN YOU KNOW YOU HAVE RIGHT OF WAY TO TO PLAY WITH, RIGHT. AND IN THOSE SITUATIONS, THE PRIORITIZATION IS ENHANCING PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, ENHANCING STORMWATER. RESILIENCE. AND AND BALANCING THE ROADWAY FOR USE BY CARS, CYCLISTS AND PEDESTRIANS. AND SO THAT HAPPENS THROUGH A COMPLETE STREETS MASTER PLAN, WHICH IS A PRIORITY ACTION ITEM NUMBER ONE UNDER THIS. THE EVEN IN CASES WHERE SO SAY WE HAVE A FOUR LANE ROAD, EVEN IN CASES WHERE WE THINK A FOUR LANE ROAD IS APPROPRIATE OR THE LANE SIZE IS APPROPRIATE IF THE LANE SIZES ARE OVERSIZE, WHAT DO WE DO WITH THE WITH THE LEFTOVER RIGHT OF WAY? IF THE FOUR LANE ROAD SHOULD BE A TWO LANE ROAD, WHAT DO WE DO WITH THE LEFTOVER RIGHT OF WAY AND A COMPLETE STREETS MASTER PLAN WILL SAY, HERE'S WHAT YOU DO. YOU DO WIDER SIDEWALKS, YOU DO STREET TREES YOU DO. AND IT'S VERY CONTEXT DRIVEN. SO THERE'S NOT ONE ANSWER FOR THE WHOLE CITY. FIRST YOU DO THIS, THEN YOU DO THAT, THEN YOU DO THIS AT THIS INTERSECTION. FIRST YOU DO THAT, THEN YOU DO THIS, THEN YOU DO THAT. AND SO REDUCING TO MEET DEMAND EFFECTIVELY IS IS SAYING IT'S OUR ANTICIPATION THAT

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DOCTOR JONES DID SOME FANTASTIC RENDERINGS OF OF SOME CASES WHERE THAT WHERE THAT'S POSSIBLE AND PART OF THE PART OF THE BLOCK PARTY. IF YOU CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THAT. IN A LOT OF PLACES, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT COMES RIGHT UP AGAINST THE ROADWAY, YOU CAN TAKE THAT OUTSIDE LANE OF A SIX LANE ARTERIAL AND AND CREATE, YOU KNOW, PARALLEL PARKING, YOU KNOW, WITH SOME LANDSCAPE BULBOUTS. AND, AND IT REALLY, REALLY DOES A NICE JOB OF KIND OF BRINGING THE STREET IN. AND THEN IT PROVIDES THAT PARK EASY PARKING AND ACCESS. SOME OF THIS HAS BEEN MENTIONED AND I'LL BE BRIEF ABOUT THIS ON DANIEL DALE AND AN AREA OF WHEATLAND. IT BECAME VERY CONTROVERSIAL, VERY FAST. AND THERE WERE SOME THERE WERE SOME PRETTY PASSIONATE FEELINGS ABOUT THOSE TYPES OF CHANGES. SO BUT THAT'LL BE DOWN THE ROAD WHEN THAT'S DISCUSSED, WHEN THE COMPLETE STREET PLAN IS MASTER PLAN IS DONE. AND AND TO YOUR POINT, MAYOR, I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. BUT WHEN THEY DID THE TRAFFIC STUDY FOR DANIEL, SO EVEN AT RUSH HOUR, 50% CAPACITY DON'T NEED IT. MR. MR. DAVIS, LAST NIGHT IN THE PNC, YOU GAVE A I CALLED IT I WAS TALKING TO AJ TODAY. I CALLED IT THE GETTYSBURG ADDRESS OF COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

REALLY, REALLY HEARTFELT STATEMENT AT THE END OF THE MEETING. AND HE USED A WORD THAT THAT I THOUGHT WAS THAT I THOUGHT OR A PHRASE THAT I THOUGHT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT.

IT WAS BASICALLY LIKE, YOU NEED TO HAVE THE GUTS TO IMPLEMENT THIS IN THE FACE OF OPPOSITION, RIGHT? THERE WILL BE OPPOSITION. BUT THE DATA RULE THE DAY YOU ALL WORK FOR THE PEOPLE, IF THE WORLD SHOWS UP AND SAYS, THIS IS THIS, AFTER YOU DO ALL THE DATA ANALYSIS AND ALL THE ALL THE HARD ENGINEERING WORK, IF THE PUBLIC STILL SHOWS UP AND SAYS, I DON'T BUY IT, THEN THEN YOU HAVE A HARDER DECISION TO MAKE, BUT AT LEAST KNOW THE ANSWER RIGHT BEFORE SO THAT THE PUBLIC CAN SEE THE DATA. BUT THE CITY OF DALLAS PART OF THIS DOCUMENT IS JUST THE DATA, WHICH IS AGAIN, GLAD THAT'S IN THERE. WELL, GOOD. I'M GLAD THAT SAYS WHAT I THOUGHT IT SAID. I'M VERY HAPPY TO PROVE THAT AND MOVE ON ABOUT THE STREETS. THAT WOULD BE A POLICY DOCUMENT. SO. ALL RIGHT, HOMESTRETCH. WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT PAGE 66 GREEN SPACES. AND SO. THAT'S WHY I MENTIONED THIS BEFORE. SO CEDAR HILL THEY'VE GOT POLICY THAT SAYS THEY'RE COMMITTED TO PROTECTING 25% OF THEIR GREEN SPACE. RIGHT. AND AGAIN I'VE SAID BEFORE WE DON'T HAVE 25% TO PROTECT. SO BUT IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE CAN PUT INTO THIS PLAN WHERE WE ARE COMMITTED TO PROTECTING SOME PERCENTAGE OF GREEN SPACE THAT WE HAVE REMAINING? OBVIOUSLY, I THINK THAT SHOULD BE IN THERE, BUT. I KNOW SOME PEOPLE BELIEVE WE SHOULD DEVELOP EVERY SQUARE INCH THAT'S LEFT, BUT IT'S NOT. SO IS THERE SOMETHING WE CAN PUT IN HERE AGAIN THAT COMMITS US TO PROTECT SOME PERCENT? AND I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER. RIGHT. I'M JUST OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT 25%.

YOU CAN. AND WHEN YOU SAY 25%, I DON'T NOT I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE CEDAR HILLS PLEDGE, BUT IS THE PLEDGE TO RETAIN 25% OF THEIR LAND AREA AS GREEN SPACE? YEAH. THAT'S THAT'S I UNDERSTAND IT. YEAH. SO SO FOR US, IT MIGHT BE OKAY. THE GREEN SPACE WE HAVE REMAINING. RIGHT.

WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THAT WOULD WE BE WILLING TO. IT'S A DEEPER CONVERSATION I THINK, NOT KNOWING WHAT WE HAVE AND WHERE IT IS AND LOOKING AT IT, IT'S HERE'S THE POINT THOUGH, WHEN WE SAY WE HAVE A LOT OF GREEN SPACE IS PRIVATELY OWNED. YEAH, YEAH. SO. I'LL SAY A COUPLE,

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RIGHT? I, I DO THINK AND THE URBAN FOREST FORESTRY MASTER PLAN IS ANOTHER WAY TO IDENTIFY OPPORTUNITIES TO ACQUIRE OR DESIGNATE GREEN SPACE IN YOUR DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP LAST NIGHT WAS THIS COMPETING, THIS, THIS SEEMINGLY COMPETING POLICY, AREAS OF DENSIFICATION AND GREENING. RIGHT. AND WE POINTED OUT THAT THERE THERE DOESN'T NEED TO BE A PUSH AND PULL THERE. TO DOCTOR JONES'S POINT, YOU CAN CREATE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS THAT SAY YOU WANT TO HAVE A PARKING, YOU WANT TO HAVE A PARKING LOT. YOU NEED A PARKING LOT FOR EVERY EIGHTH. PARKING SPACE HAS TO BE PLANTED AND EVERY. AND MR. I DON'T KNOW THAT I DON'T KNOW THE THE UNDERLYING GOAL OF YOUR OF OF YOUR RECOMMENDATION. BUT IF IT IS TO REDUCE THE HEAT ISLAND EFFECT TO, TO PROTECT STORMWATER RUNOFF, ETC. THAT THOSE ARE GOOD WAYS TO DO THAT. IF IT'S IN FACT TO JUST KEEP THE PLACE GREEN AND NOT HAVE EVERY INCH GOBBLED UP BY DEVELOPMENT, THEN THEN THAT'S A DIFFERENT, A DIFFERENT SET OF POLICIES. BUT I THINK THE UNDERLYING QUESTION IS, IS FOR COUNCIL'S DISCUSSION HERE, DO YOU WANT TO SET A TARGET FOR PRESERVATION OR ENHANCEMENT OF AND I MEAN, EVEN IF, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, LIKE KYLE SAID, THIS IS PROBABLY A BIGGER CONVERSATION. BUT IS THERE SOMETHING IN HERE RIGHT NOW THAT THAT MANDATES THAT WE HAVE THAT CONVERSATION? THAT'S THAT'S ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY CITY COUNCIL WILL YOU COULD CREATE YOU COULD CREATE A WORKING GROUP AMONGST YOURSELVES. YOU COULD CREATE A CITIZENS TASK FORCE OR WORKING GROUP WHO'S CHARGED WITH INVENTORYING EXISTING GREEN SPACE, UNDERSTANDING WHAT IT IS, WHERE IT IS, WHAT IT'S ANTICIPATING, WHAT ITS UNDERLYING ZONING IS, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, AND MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS BACK TO CITY COUNCIL TO DETERMINE WHAT THE PRESERVATION AND ENHANCEMENT APPROACH IS. THAT THAT PUTS COUNCIL IN A POSITION WHERE A LET'S ASSUME IT'S

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AND THAT'S A GOOD STARTING POINT TO SAY. WE WANT TO PRESERVE ALL OF THAT OR SOME OF THAT, OR AND HERE ARE THE TOOLS FOR DOING THAT. WELL, I'M GOOD WITH THIS RECOMMENDATION. I GUESS GOING UNDER THE ACTION ITEMS COUNCIL OKAY WITH THAT APPROACH. I MEAN, YOU CAN DO THAT. YEAH, I'M PRETTY SURE THERE'S SOME AI TOOLS OUT THERE. YEAH. FIGURE THAT ALL OUT FOR US. RIGHT. WOULD YOU PREFER WE DON'T YOU DON'T HAVE TO DECIDE TONIGHT. WOULD YOU PREFER FOR IT TO BE AN INTERNAL WORKING GROUP OR A CITIZEN COMMITTEE, OR CAN IT BE A HYBRID? GOT IT.

BECAUSE YOU HAD WHAT? COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? SOMETHING COMMITTEE OR IMPLEMENTATION COMMITTEE? IMPLEMENTATION COMMITTEE. YOU CAN HAVE A GENERAL NAME LIKE THAT AND THEN LATER ON DECIDE YEAH, YOU GOT IT. OKAY. WE'LL ADD THAT. ALL RIGHT. PAGE 94. SO BRANDENBURG MIDDLE SCHOOL IS NOT ON THIS MAP. PAGE. PAGE 9490. FIVE JUST MISSING. THAT. YES THAT'S AN EASY FIX. AND THEN I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO. CENTRAL ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IS GOING TO BE IN THE DOCUMENT. CENTRAL BRANDENBURG IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT. YEAH.

THEY'RE THEY'RE CLOSING DOWN AND THEN GOING TO REBUILD, REMODEL AND SAME THING WITH CENTRAL. IT'S GOING TO HAVE A DIFFERENT NAME. YEAH. WE JUST HAVE TO FIND OUT FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WHAT THAT'S GOING TO BE CALLED. THAT MIGHT REQUIRE SOME RESEARCH ON YOUR PART. IT'S THE SAME THING WITH CENTRAL ELEMENTARY AS WELL. IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING ELSE.

IT'S STILL GOING TO BE AN EDUCATIONAL FACILITY THOUGH NOW. IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE A FINE ARTS OR PERFORMING. DO THOSE CHANGES GO INTO EFFECT LIKE NEXT SCHOOL YEAR? FOR THOSE TWO? I KNOW BRANDENBURG IT DOES BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT THEY'VE GOT A YEAR'S WORTH OF REMODELING.

THEY'RE DOING OKAY. I'M PRETTY SURE TO FIND OUT FROM THE DISTRICT. YEAH, WE CAN REACH OUT. YEAH. AND IF IF IT'S TOO FAR OFF, THEN MAYBE IT MIGHT NOT MAKE SENSE. BUT WE AT LEAST GOT TO ADD THE MIDDLE SCHOOL BECAUSE IT EXISTS, RIGHT? IF THIS IS A POINT IN TIME CAPTURE, WE'VE GOT TO ADD IT. IT'S MISSING. WE JUST REMOVE THE NAMES AND SAY DUNCANVILLE ISD

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YEAH. WHILE WE'RE AT IT, THAT ADVANTAGE ACADEMY THAT'S NOT A PUBLIC SCHOOL THAT THAT'S NOT ADVANTAGE ACADEMY ANYMORE. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO HAVE THAT ON THERE. IT'S PART OF VILLAGE TECHNICAL. SO IT'S OKAY TO REMOVE THAT. YES, I THINK SO. IT'S NOT A PUBLIC SCHOOL I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER GOODEN. JUST MAKE IT. MAYOR PRO TEM COUNCIL MEMBER.

GOOD. JUST MAKE IT GENERIC BECAUSE THAT'S A LOT OF THOSE ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE THROUGHOUT THAT MANY YEARS. YEAH. AND EVERYBODY SHOULD I MEAN I KNOW YOU ALL EVERYBODY BEYOND THIS ROOM SHOULD RECOGNIZE AGAIN THIS IS A SNAPSHOT. THIS IS WHAT WAS WHEN YOU ADOPTED IT. THIS IS WHAT IT WAS. SO. OKAY OKAY. THAT CHANGE. AND THEN CAN YOU WALK US THROUGH THE IMPLEMENTATION PROCESS AS FAR AS WHAT THE CPIC AND SURE. WHAT ALL THAT'S GOING TO INVOLVE MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO IT, THAT SOMEBODY ELSE IS ON.

SO THE THE ROLL. SO I'LL SAY IT THIS WAY, THE WAY THIS HAS WORKED IN OTHER COMMUNITIES, THE COUNCIL WOULD APPOINT A COMMITTEE THAT THAT MIGHT LOOK A LOT LIKE THE STEERING COMMITTEE OR THAT DEPENDING ON, ON WHERE THE COUNCIL WANTS TO FOCUS, MIGHT LOOK DIFFERENT THAN THE STEERING COMMITTEE. RIGHT. SO THE GOAL IS THAT YOU HAVE A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO CAN LOOK AT THIS PLAN AND LOOK AT THE LOOK AT THE PRIORITIES OF THE PLAN AND HELP STAFF PRIORITIZE IMPLEMENTATION. RIGHT. AND SO THE COMMITTEE WOULD BE APPOINTED BY COUNCIL, WOULD BE STAFFED BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, MEETS PRETTY REGULARLY. MOST OF THESE KPIX MEET MONTHLY MEETS MONTHLY LOOKS AT NEAR TERM ACTION ITEMS. YOU KNOW, TEED UP ACTION ITEMS AND SAYS, ALL RIGHT, OF THESE WHAT ARE IN PROCESS? BECAUSE, AS MISS GOODEN POINTED OUT, YOU ALREADY GOT SOME THINGS IN PROCESS. WHAT ARE IN PROCESS? HOW IS THAT GOING? HOW'S THE PARKS AND TRAILS MASTER PLAN GOING? HOW'S THE COMPLETE STREETS MASTER PLAN GOING? HOW'S THAT GOING? IF THE COMMITTEE SEES ADEQUATE PROGRESS, THEY MOVE ON TO THE NEXT THING. IF THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT WHY AN ITEM IS OR ISN'T MOVING FORWARD, THEY PUT THAT BACK TO STAFF AND AND STAFF, YOU KNOW, WORKS THAT EFFECTIVELY. TO YOUR POINT, THE OPERATION IS FOR THEM TO COME TO CITY COUNCIL WITH SOME REGULARITY QUARTERLY, ANNUALLY.

IT'S UP TO YOU TO COME TO CITY COUNCIL WITH SOME REGULARITY AND REPORT ON THE PROGRESS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. RIGHT. THEY ARE THE FOLKS WHO ARE BEING INFORMED BY STAFF HOW THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ELEMENTS ARE MOVING FORWARD, AND SO THEY CAN COME TO CITY COUNCIL EVERY THREE, SIX, 12 MONTHS AND SAY, HERE'S THE ANNUAL REPORT FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND HOW IT HAS PROGRESSED. AND WE THINK THAT'S EXCITING AND WORKING REALLY WELL, OR WE THINK CITY COUNCIL HAS MISSED THE BALL ON THIS. SOME CITIES USE THEM AS A RESOURCE AT BUDGET TIME. RIGHT? OKAY. WE GOT A BIG PILE OF TO DO'S HERE. HOW ARE WE GOING TO PRIORITIZE THIS. SO THEY HELP STAFF IN THE CITY MANAGER THINK THROUGH WHAT ITEMS MIGHT SHOW UP IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET TO CITY COUNCIL. EFFECTIVELY. IT'S HOWEVER YOU WANT TO CHARGE THEM, BUT THE GOAL IS FOR THEM IS FOR THESE FOLKS TO MONITOR, PLAN PROGRESS AND REPORT BACK TO COUNCIL ON WHETHER IT'S MOVING, WHETHER THEY FEEL IT'S MOVING AT AN APPROPRIATE PACE OR NOT. SO SHOULD WE WAIT UNTIL AFTER WE ADOPT THE PLAN? AND THEN I GUESS THE VERY NEXT MEETING WILL BE? IT'S FUNNY YOU SAY THAT, BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT OVER OVER THE LAST FEW DAYS WAS YOU COULD LEAVE HERE TONIGHT AND GO HOME AND BRAINSTORM SOME NAMES AND, AND BOUNCE THOSE AROUND SO THAT YOU COULD BE IN A POSITION IN OCTOBER TO, TO MAKE THOSE APPOINTMENTS SO THAT WE DON'T MISS A BEAT. THE FIRST STEP IN IMPLEMENTATION IS PUTTING THE IMPLEMENTATION COMMITTEE ON THE JOB. AND SO YES, WE WOULD WE OUR THOUGHT PROCESS WAS AND I'M NOW SPEAKING ABOUT THE THE CITY MANAGER AND ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER. OUR THOUGHT PROCESS WAS USE THIS TIME BETWEEN NOW AND OCTOBER TO GENERATE POTENTIAL CANDIDATES AND AND GET THOSE APPOINTMENTS MADE IN OCTOBER AND WE COULD IN SEPTEMBER 30TH. YOU KNOW, WE ALREADY KIND OF GENERALLY HAVE THE FRAMEWORK OF WHAT THAT COMMITTEE LOOKS LIKE, BUT BRING IT BACK TO YOU ALL AS PART OF THE ADOPTION AND RECAP IS WHAT THE COMMITTEE WOULD LOOK LIKE AND SET THE STAGE SO YOU ALL

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AND THEN THERE'S A SYSTEM CURRENTLY IN DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL ALLOW FOR FOR REGULAR TRACKING AND REPORTING OUT OF THOSE PROGRESS TOWARDS THOSE KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS. AND I DON'T WANT TO MESS IT UP. AND I ALSO DON'T WANT TO FORCE ANGEL TO STAND UP AND MAKE A PRESENTATION ON IT. BUT IS THAT IS THAT GENERALLY THE APPROACH? ANGEL? IT IS. SO WE'VE ALREADY DONE OUR KPI EXERCISE AND WE WE HAVE A FEW WORKING SESSIONS WITH THE INTERNAL TEAM. TO YOUR COMMENT, COUNCIL MEMBER KUNTZ, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING AND ANY INITIATIVES THAT ARE COMING UP THAT WE'LL PUT TOGETHER OUR ROADMAP FOR NEXT YEAR, NEXT MONTH, THAT THERE ARE ALIGNED. AND SO WE'RE TYING THEM SPECIFICALLY TO A POLICY. BUT IN DOING THAT OR THE THE POLICY PRIORITY AREA. BUT IN DOING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE INITIATIVE, ALIGNING IT WITH A GOAL AND THEN A KPI. SO FROM A DEPARTMENT PERSPECTIVE, ALL OF THE MAIN THINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON SHOULD HAVE A DIRECT POINT TO POLICY. YES. SO THIS IS ALSO PART OF THE DELIVERABLE THAT WE SHARED WITH YOU IN THE PAST THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO SHARE, SHOW YOU KIND OF A ONE PAGER WHERE YOU CAN SEE. SO WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS AS THEY PROGRESS, AS WE REACH MILESTONES IN THIS NEW TOOL, IT'LL SHOW YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER COMBS, THAT WE'RE 95%, YOU KNOW, PROGRESS OR WE'RE BELOW TARGET OR WE'RE ON TARGET. AND THEN WE'LL ALSO BE ABLE TO SHARE, NOT TO GET TOO MUCH IN THE WEEDS, BUT WHEN YOU DO HAVE QUESTIONS, WE'LL BE ABLE TO TELL YOU EXACTLY HOW WE'RE GOING TO PIVOT IF WE'RE BELOW TARGET AND THAT SORT OF THING. AND SO WHAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE. GO AHEAD. SORRY, RICHARD. I WAS GOING TO PIGGYBACK WHAT YOU SAID. YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU SAID, YOU SAID EARLIER, YOU KNOW, YOU ALL SAID THIS, THIS EVERYTHING'S GOING TO TIE INTO THIS, THIS PLAN. AND SO KPIS TRADITIONALLY ARE BASED OFF YOUR GOALS AND OBJECTIVES. SO KPIS WOULD BE TIED, TIED TO THIS PLAN. SO AND THE THING THE THING I REALLY LOVE ABOUT THAT GOES ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE FIRST, THE FIRST CONVERSATION YOU HAD ON THIS. IT'S NOT THE LEAST IMPORTANT. THERE'S NO UNIMPORTANT PART OF THE PLAN, BUT THE THE TO DO LIST, THE ACTION ITEMS, THEY SHOULD SERVE AS A GUIDE, AND THEY SHOULD GIVE YOU SOME OOMPH FOR THINGS THAT YOU SHOULD BE WORKING ON.

BUT AS IMPORTANT ARE THE DISCRETIONARY ITEMS THAT COME ALONG DAY TO DAY EVALUATING EXISTING. I USED TO CALL IT JUST CALL THESE FOOTBALLS. SOMETIMES YOU'RE CARRYING A FOOTBALL JUST BECAUSE SOMEBODY HANDED YOU THE FOOTBALL AND YOU GET DOWN THE ROAD AND YOU FORGET WHY. WHY AM I CARRYING THIS FOOTBALL? AND SO WHAT WHAT THE CITY'S TEAM IS DOING NOW IS

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IT'S JUST MAYBE IT'S JUST MORE OF A COMMENT AND AN OBSERVATION IS THAT, YOU KNOW, EVEN LOOKING AT THE CITIZEN DATA AND ALL THE INPUT WE GOT, THERE WERE NO PRIORITIES THAT ADDRESSED.

HERITAGE PRESERVATION. PROTECTION OF HISTORICAL ASSETS, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. AND THAT'S A CONCERN FOR ME. AND I KNOW FROM, AGAIN, THE INPUT WE GOT AND THE SURVEYS. BUT I KNOW THERE IS A SEGMENT OF THE POPULATION THAT IS CONCERNED ABOUT THOSE THINGS. WE MIGHT BE LOSING SOME OF OUR HERITAGE. AND AGAIN, THE HISTORICAL ASSETS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO.

I AGAIN, IT'S JUST AN OBSERVATION AND I DON'T I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING ANYWHERE IN THERE THAT THAT ADDRESSES ANYTHING OF THAT SORT. BUT WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT LAND USE DEVELOPMENT, REDEVELOPMENT AND HERE'S A BUILDING THAT HAS SOME KIND OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE, RIGHT? DO WE TREAT THAT ANY DIFFERENTLY? NOW, LET ME ASK YOU THIS UP TO THAT POINT, YOU I'M SURE YOU'VE WORKED WITH CITIES THAT HAD OBVIOUS HISTORICAL BUILDINGS IN A MULTITUDE OF MONUMENTS AND BUILDINGS, AND. IT COULD EVEN BE HOMES THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE. AND WE HAVE A I HATE TO ADMIT THIS WAY, BUT WE KIND OF HAVE A HODGEPODGE OF THINGS THAT ARE PROTECTED THAT SOME WE ALL KNOW OF AND SOME WE DON'T KNOW. BECAUSE EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE I'VE BEEN HERE QUITE A WHILE AND MR. KUNTZ WILL THROW ONE AT ME I'VE NEVER HEARD OF BEFORE. I CAN'T REMEMBER THE LAST ONE, BUT A NAME THAT I'D NEVER HEARD BEFORE. BUT HAVING

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AND ONE OF THE BIG PASSIONATE SPEECHES I'VE GIVEN A COUPLE OF TIMES THROUGH THIS, THROUGH THIS PROCESS, IS THAT NOBODY COMES TO A COMMUNITY BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THE BEST APPLEBEE'S AROUND, RIGHT? NOBODY COMES TO A COMMUNITY FOR BECAUSE THEY'RE BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT A REALLY GOOD TARGET THAT'S LIKE NOT A THAT'S NOT A ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY. PEOPLE COME TO A COMMUNITY BECAUSE IT'S DIFFERENT. IT'S DISTINCTIVE. THEY CAN SEE SOMETHING THEY CAN'T SEE ANYWHERE ELSE. AND SO INITIALLY I WAS THINKING. CULTURE MEANS CULTURE, RIGHT? IT DOESN'T MEAN THEATER AND AND MUSIC AND THOSE THINGS EXCLUSIVELY. CULTURE MEANS, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S NATURAL TO A COMMUNITY OR NATIVE TO A COMMUNITY AND, AND IMPORTANT ABOUT THAT. AND SO I WAS THINKING, WELL, WE TALK ABOUT IN TERMS OF DOWNTOWN VITALITY, WE TALK ABOUT ARTS AND CULTURE AS A CRITICAL CENTERPIECE OF THE DOWNTOWN VITALITY STRATEGY.

BUT THAT'S REALLY LIMITING IF WE LIMIT THAT TO DOWNTOWN. AND SO I'M WONDERING IF WE CAN, AS PART OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY, IF WE CAN CALL OUT HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND CULTURAL PRESERVATION AS PRIORITIES. AND, YOU KNOW, THE THE THE ACTION ITEM IS TAKE STEPS TO PRESERVE, ENHANCE AND MARKET HISTORIC AND CULTURAL ASSETS IN THE COMMUNITY, IF THAT'S IF COUNCIL IS COMFORTABLE WITH THAT LANGUAGE. THAT WOULD SHOW UP IN PRIORITY POLICY. AREA NUMBER THREE, THE ECONOMIC AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. ONCE AGAIN, IT'S A GOOD POINT THAT THAT MR. COMBS REALIZED THAT THAT WAS PROBABLY LACKING IN HERE, BUT I THINK IT IS NECESSARY BECAUSE WE WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF IT. ALTHOUGH YOU MIGHT MAY ARGUE THAT THERE IS A LOT BECAUSE I THINK I KNOW WHERE IT IS, BUT HE KEEPS COMING UP WITH STUFF.

BUT BUT I THINK, I THINK IT'S IT'S ALL WE'VE GOT. AND IF WE DON'T PROTECT IT AND WE DON'T HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE TO PROTECT IT, WE COULD EASILY LOSE TRACK OF IT. AND THERE'S NO THERE'S NO RECORD OF IT. AND I'M TELLING YOU, THERE'S AND AGAIN, I'M NOT A I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY AND CERTAINLY NOT A TEXAS FINANCE ATTORNEY. BUT SOME OF THOSE FUNDING SOURCES, LIKE THE D.C. EDC FUNDS AND HOT TAX FUNDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WHEN CULTURAL TOURISM IS A CENTERPIECE OF YOUR OF YOUR STRATEGY, YOU KNOW, THE ABILITY TO USE THOSE FUNDS TO PRESERVE, PROTECT, ENHANCE AND MARKET. BUT I THINK WHAT ALL FALL ELIGIBLE FOR THINGS LIKE HOT FUNDS AND, AND, AND SOME OF THE SALES TAX FUNDING THAT RUNS THROUGH THE EDC, GREAT. GREAT SUGGESTION. I MEAN, WHO WANTS TO GO NEXT? JOE, YOU GOT A LIST. IN HERE. MY MINE'S EASY. I'VE ONLY GOT ONE. A LOT OF WORDS. SO URBAN DESIGN WAS THE BIG THING. ONE OF THE BIG THINGS WE HEARD ABOUT. AND I THINK IT'S JUST PEOPLE NOT UNDERSTANDING IT. AND IT'S A SCARY WORD FOR SOME PEOPLE. SO THIS IS JUST A FEEL GOOD MORE FOR THE POPULACE THAT DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THAT WORD. AND IT'S WHETHER OR NOT TO ADD A LITTLE BIT OF A DEFINITION OR A PAGE OF, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN IT'S URBAN DESIGN, THAT'S IT. THOSE THOUGHTS. WE HAVE. NO, I WAS GOING TO SAY THE. THE CITY MANAGER NOTED THAT ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CAME OUT OF THE EDC WAS A GLOSSARY OF TERMS, BECAUSE WE ALL LIVE IN THIS WORLD AND OPERATE INSIDE OF THIS WORLD. BUT OUR IN MY NERDIEST LOCAL GOVERNMENT DREAMS, I SEE RESIDENTS FLIPPING THROUGH THIS AND THINKING ABOUT HOW WHAT KIND OF COMMUNITY THEY WANT IT TO BE.

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SO CREATING A GLOSSARY OF TERMS WAS A RECOMMENDATION, AND CERTAINLY URBAN DESIGN WOULD BE ONE OF THOSE ONE OF THOSE TERMS TO DEFINE. AND I THINK THE DEFINITION THAT'S HERE TODAY, THIS THIS PARAGRAPH DEFINITION STRIKES ALL THE RIGHT NOTES. SO JUST THE PARAGRAPH. OR THE OR THE PAINTED PICTURE. THAT WE'LL GIVE THEM A PARAGRAPH AND LET THEM GO FROM. I'LL DIRECT YOU TO THE MRB GROUP CAREERS PAGE FOR SENIOR PLANNING ASSOCIATE. PERFECT. GREAT WORK. ALL RIGHT.

WE'RE DONE. WE'LL GET A THUMBS UP ON ONE OR THE OTHER. THANK YOU. PARAGRAPH, PARAGRAPH, PARAGRAPH. AND WHERE IS THAT? WHERE IS THAT GOING? WE'RE GOING TO ADD A GLOSSARY AS TO THE APPENDICES. THAT WAS ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT A DC DC WAS TO DO A GLOSSARY OF TERMS. I'M SORRY I GOT WRAPPED UP IN READING ALL THESE. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO WHAT ELSE I CAN IN SHORT ORDER IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS, GET THE CITY MANAGER A SUMMARY OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES.

IF COUNCIL COULD LOOK AT THOSE AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY MEET THE EXPECTATIONS THAT WERE LAID OUT TODAY. AND ONCE WE GET A THUMBS UP ON THAT, WE'LL START WE'LL START MAKING THOSE CHANGES TO THE PLAN. DOCUMENT. SO WE'LL BE CHECKING WITH THE OTHER GROUPS THAT HAVE ALREADY APPROVED IT TO DISTRIBUTE THE P AND Z AND DC EDC, AND THEN WE'LL JUST DOUBLE CHECK WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY JUST TO MAKE SURE, LIKE, ARE THESE BASICALLY MINOR EDITS IN GENERAL. AND WE CAN CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE 7TH SEPTEMBER 30TH DATE FOR ADOPTION. SO WE'LL WE'LL DOUBLE CHECK THAT TO AND WE'RE HAVING A PUBLIC MEETING. SO IT'S A VIDEO AVAILABLE. YES.

YES. IF I COULD SAY JUST ONE MORE THING, MAYOR. WE WE DO THIS WORK IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT PLACES. AND IT WAS REALLY HEARTENING TO GET DEEP READS FROM A LOT OF RESIDENTS, A LOT OF COUNCIL MEMBERS, A LOT OF PLANNING AND ZONING, DC, EDC FOLKS. IT WAS CLEAR FOLKS HAD DONE THEIR HOMEWORK, I THINK TO I LIKE I'M GOING TO START USING MR. KOONTZ'S PHRASE LIKE, THIS IS A WORKSHOP, LET'S DO SOME WORK. IF YOU ALL PUT SOME GOOD WORK INTO THIS. AND I SAID IT TO CITY MANAGER LAST NIGHT, I CAN'T SAY IT ENOUGH. YOU GOT THE RIGHT TEAM HERE. THEY REALLY KNOW THEIR STUFF AND THEY'RE PASSIONATE ABOUT IT. SO I APPRECIATE BEING ABLE TO WORK WITH THEM. AND MR. MCBURNETT COMMENTED EARLY ON ABOUT THE. OUR PART IN THIS, HAVING A COUNCIL MEMBERS INVOLVED IN THIS. AND I THINK WE ALL AGREE THAT WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU DID TO PUT IN THIS IS JEREMY SAID, PROBABLY ARGUABLY THE BEST DOCUMENT, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WE'VE HAD. AND THE GOOD THING IS, I KNOW FOR SURE WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT. IT WON'T SIT ON A SHELF, AND I'M SURE THAT YOU'VE HAD A LOT OF THEM, THAT YOU'VE DONE THAT MAYBE A SAT ON SHELVES. NOT THAT WE'VE DONE, BUT OTHER LESSER FIRMS. SORRY ABOUT THAT. BUT ALSO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION ALSO, THANK YOU AND, AND YOUR FIRM FOR, FOR BEING SUCH A LARGE PART OF THIS AND ACTUALLY JUST BECOMING PART OF THE FAMILY HERE, GETTING TO KNOW US AND THEN STAFF. I KNOW THAT A LOT OF THE STAFF ISN'T HERE, BUT FOR THOSE THAT ARE HERE AND FOR THOSE THAT AREN'T, AND INTERIM CITY MANAGER AND THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, AND THIS HAS BEEN REMARKABLE. IT'S BEEN REMARKABLE. AND I DIDN'T PUT IT NEAR AS MUCH WORK. I MEAN, IT WAS TOUGH READING 194 PAGES, BUT I TOOK THE OATH AND. OUTSIDE OF YOU, BUT NO THANK YOU, THANKS TO EVERYBODY BECAUSE THIS IS A I KNOW A LOT OF OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT ARE REALLY THAT FOLLOW THESE THINGS WILL BE EQUALLY GRATEFUL TO EVERYBODY THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. AND IT'S JUST A GREAT FEELING THAT WE'VE GOTTEN TO THIS POINT. SO THANK YOU ALL, AND THANK ALL THE REST OF THE COUNCIL FOR THEIR INVOLVEMENT IN THE MEETING TODAY AND THE OTHER MEETINGS THAT WE'VE HAD TO GIVE INPUT AND MAKE THIS A REALLY GOOD, GOOD DAY FOR DUNCANVILLE AS A NEW PLANNER. HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW IT. THE NEW PLANNER. YES. SHE SHE'S

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SOME. SHE'S YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT PAGE SHE'S ON. I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW HOW COULD I WORK IN WHERE DOES THE NEW PLANNER. BECAUSE THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA. SO. OH, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL THANKS AGAIN. AND WE WILL WE ARE FINISHED WITH OUR BUSINESS FOR THE DAY AND WE WILL

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.