Aug 11, 2025 Planning and Zoning

[1. Call to order and Confirm a Quorum]

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I'D LIKE TO CALL THE. MONDAY, AUGUST 11TH, 2025 PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING TO ORDER. SECRETARY, CAN WE PLEASE HAVE ROLL CALL? PRESIDENT. WINDOW BLINDS. HERE.

SIERRA DAVIS, PRESENT. STEPHANIE. CHAMPAGNE HERE. I GUESS ABSENT. OKAY. OKAY, NOW WE

[2. Consent Agenda]

NOT WORKING.

MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. OUR NEXT ITEM IS A PUBLIC COMMENT. WE WILL RECEIVE PUBLIC COMMENTS ON ITEMS THAT ARE NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA. A LIMIT OF TWO MINUTES PER INDIVIDUAL SPEAKER WILL BE IMPOSED. DO WE HAVE ANY OF THE PUBLIC HERE TO. I DID NOT RECEIVE ANY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

[4. Draft Comprehensive Plan Update (Part 1 of 2)]

I, I DO RECALL SEEING AND MEETING MANY OF YOU AT THE AT THE OPEN HOUSE, SO I APPRECIATE YOUR ATTENDANCE THERE. I, I'M SURE GIVEN THE GRAVITY OF YOUR OF YOUR AGENDA TONIGHT, YOU'LL BE HAPPY TO LEARN I WON'T BE RUNNING THROUGH THAT ENTIRE PRESENTATION AGAIN. I KNOW YOU, YOU ALL SAW THAT PREVIOUSLY, AND YOU'VE HAD A COPY OF THE DRAFT FOR SOME TIME, SO I JUST REALLY WANTED TO TOUCH ON SOME HIGH POINTS OF THE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN A BRIEF PRESENTATION TONIGHT, AND THEN GIVE THE GIVE THE COMMISSION AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS AND, AND TO AGAIN JUST ENGAGE IN A DISCUSSION ABOUT ABOUT POTENTIAL RECOMMENDATIONS

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THERE'S NO ARGUING HOW STRATEGIC YOUR LOCATION IS AS IT RELATES TO THE TO THE METROPLEX. YOU'RE IN AN AMAZING POSITION TO ACCESS CRITICAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT RESOURCES LIKE DFW AIRPORT, LIKE JUST THE DALLAS MARKET GENERALLY, AND ALL THE HORSEPOWER THAT THAT BRINGS FROM FROM AN ECONOMIC STANDPOINT, DUNCANVILLE IS AN INCREDIBLY DIVERSE COMMUNITY, AND WE SEE THAT AS ONE OF YOUR GREATEST STRENGTHS IN THE COMMUNITY SEES IT THAT WAY AS WELL. IT'S A IT'S A PLACE THAT'S VERY THAT'S BEEN VERY INCLUSIVE IN THAT HAS BEEN HOME TO SUCH A WIDE, A WIDE RANGE OF, OF BACKGROUNDS AND ETHNICITIES. AND, AND IT'S JUST BEEN THAT THAT'S BROUGHT TREMENDOUS VALUE TO THE PLANNING PROCESS AND TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS HERE TONIGHT.

IT'S ALSO A FULL SERVICE CITY. I KNOW THAT SOUNDS, YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY GIVEN WHAT YOU WHAT YOU'VE COME UP WITH, IF YOU'VE BEEN AROUND DUNCANVILLE FOR A WHILE, THAT SOUNDS LIKE. WELL, OF COURSE IT IS. THAT'S WHAT IT'S WHAT A CITY IS. BUT I PROMISE YOU, YOU KNOW, THE FURTHER OUT ON THE RANGE YOU GET, THE, YOU KNOW, YOU GET INTO SOME OF THESE SMALLER COMMUNITIES AND, AND MORE RURAL PLACES AND THEY JUST CAN'T AFFORD AND, AND DON'T HAVE THE

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THE COST TO DELIVER THOSE SERVICES ARE ONLY GOING TO GO UP. YOU KNOW, WE TOOK THIS BIG BROAD LOOK AND SAID, ALL RIGHT, THIS IS WHAT THE NATIONAL DOLLAR DID. THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED TO THE NATIONAL DOLLAR IN 2010, A DOLLAR, A DOLLAR'S WORTH OF GOODS COST A DOLLAR, RIGHT? BY 2025, THAT SAME BASKET OF GOODS WENT UP BY 47%. SO THE DOLLAR BASKET OF GOODS IN 2020 OR 2010 IS NOW $1.47 AND $1.47. DOESN'T SOUND TOO BAD, EXCEPT FOR NOTHING COSTS A DOLLAR. RIGHT? SO THE IMPACT LOCALLY TO DUNCANVILLE, WE WERE ABLE TO PULL BUDGETS FROM 2014 TO 2024.

SO JUST LOOKING AT THE LAST TEN YEARS AND WE SAW THAT THE PROPERTY TAX LEVY, WHICH IS THE AMOUNT OF PROPERTY, WHICH IS THE AMOUNT OF RESOURCES GENERATED JUST FROM THE PROPERTY TAX, IT WENT FROM 13.1 MILLION IN 2014, NEARLY DOUBLE TO 23.8 MILLION IN 2024. NOW, THERE WERE A LOT. WE TALKED TO STAFF ABOUT THIS. WHAT HAPPENED HERE? WE CERTAINLY ARE PROVIDING MUCH MORE THAN WE WERE IN 2014, A BIT MORE ROBUST OF PUBLIC SAFETY APPARATUS, SOME NEW PARK AMENITIES AND FACILITIES. BUT GENERALLY THAT GROWTH WE KNOW TO BE UNSUSTAINABLE. WE KNOW THAT WE CAN'T CONTINUE TO APPROACH GROWTH IN THAT WAY WITH THE SAME SET OF RESIDENTS THAT WE HAVE TODAY. IF WE ONLY PACE WITH INFLATION, IF WE JUST LOOK AT WHAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SAYS THE INFLATION IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE BETWEEN 2025 AND 2040, WE'D HAVE TO GENERATE ANOTHER $11 MILLION JUST TO KEEP WHAT WE HAVE TODAY. AND WITH THE EXISTING SET OF RESIDENTS ON THE EXISTING SET OF PROPERTIES AS THEY'RE LAID OUT TODAY, WE WOULD HAVE TO WE WOULD SEE A PROPERTY TAX INCREASE. THE EXISTING RESIDENTS WOULD END UP PAYING MORE FOR THE EXACT SAME SET OF SERVICES. IF WE CAN'T FIND A WAY TO INFUSE SOME GROWTH. SO THE QUESTION QUICKLY MOVED APPROPRIATELY FROM NOT FROM WHETHER WE SHOULD GROW OR WHETHER WHETHER WE SHOULD STAY THE SAME TO HOW WE SHOULD GROW. WHEN PEOPLE SAW THAT THEY THEY OF COURSE, I DON'T WANT TO PAY AN ADDITIONAL 45% IN PROPERTY TAXES. OF COURSE, I RECOGNIZE THE NEED TO GENERATE INVESTMENT AND ATTRACT NEW RESIDENTS. BUT I DON'T WANT TO LOSE WHAT DUNCANVILLE HAS. I DON'T WANT TO LOSE THOSE REALLY SPECIAL CHARACTERISTICS THAT DUNCANVILLE HAS. SO WE HAD TO START THINKING CREATIVELY ABOUT HOW WE COULD PRESERVE THOSE ASSETS AND GENERATE NEW GROWTH. SO IT ALL STARTS WITH A VISION. THE DUNCAN, THE FUTURE OF DUNCANVILLE 15 TO 20 YEARS FROM TODAY. IF WE EXECUTE ON THE PLAN AS IT'S DESIGNED, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO BUILD ON OUR UNIQUE POSITION IN THE METROPLEX. THIS IDEA AND WHAT WE HEARD A LOT WAS WE FEEL CONNECTED TO OUR NEIGHBORS. IT'S IT FEELS LIKE A SMALL TOWN IN THE SHADOW OF THIS REALLY ACCESSIBLE METRO, WHERE WE CAN GO IN AND GET SOME OF THE BIGGER CITY THINGS THAT WE'RE NOT READY TO HAVE HERE IN OUR COMMUNITY, OR THAT CAN'T BE SUPPORTED HERE LOCALLY. IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN FIND A DIVERSE, HIGH QUALITY HOUSING STOCK, THRIVING NEIGHBORHOODS, EXPANSIVE RECREATIONAL AMENITIES, AND A WORLD CLASS, WORLD CLASS EDUCATION SYSTEM.

ACCESS TO ROBUST HEALTH CARE. THIS IS WHAT CREATES QUALITY OF LIVING, AND THE STEERING COMMITTEE AND THE COMMUNITY FELT VERY STRONGLY THAT THAT THIS IS WHAT DUNCANVILLE SHOULD LOOK LIKE 15 TO 20 YEARS FROM TODAY. SO BACK TO HOW THE VISION CONTINUES TO TALK ABOUT DOWNTOWN

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CERTAINLY INNOVATION IS COURSE CHANGING. IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO TAKE DUNCANVILLE FROM ONE LINE ON THE CHART TO THE NEXT LINE ON THE CHART, RIGHT. REALLY ELEVATE US. AND SO WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO REALLY EVALUATE IDEAS TO ASK ARE THEY, ARE THEY REALLY COURSE CHANGING.

ARE THEY REALLY INNOVATIVE. RESILIENCY. RESILIENCY JUST MEANS CAN WE BOUNCE BACK FROM CHALLENGING THINGS. AND WE TALK ABOUT RESILIENCY ACROSS A SPECTRUM OF THINGS. CERTAINLY FINANCIAL RESILIENCY. DO WE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY IN THE TANK. DO WE HAVE ENOUGH RESOURCES TO WITHSTAND ECONOMIC SHOCKS. ARE IS OUR INFRASTRUCTURE SIZED AND BUILT AND DESIGNED TO HANDLE CLIMATE AND NATURAL DISASTERS, THINGS THAT WE NEED TO BE RESILIENT TO BECAUSE WE ARE SEEING MORE STORM ACTIVITY AND OUR OUR THINGS LIKE OUR STORM DRAINS ARE BEING TESTED. AND THEN SOCIAL RESILIENCY AND HEALTH RESILIENCY, THINGS LIKE FORBID, ANOTHER PANIC, ANOTHER PANDEMIC COMES ALONG. CAN WE BOUNCE BACK FROM THAT? CAN PEOPLE, HEALTH WISE BOUNCE BACK FROM THAT? CAN CAN WE RECONNECT WITH OUR NEIGHBORS QUICKLY AND STAY A STRONG COMMUNITY IN THE

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RESIDENTS ARE GETTING A BIT OLDER, RESOURCES ARE GETTING TIGHTER. THE COST TO IMPROVE OUR HOMES IS GETTING HIGHER. AND SO WE GOT TO FIND WAYS TO HELP OUR NEIGHBORS UPDATE THEIR EXISTING HOMES, UPDATING REGULATIONS. YOU KNOW WHAT WE WHAT WE HEARD, WE INTERVIEWED AS PART OF THIS AND A PRIOR ENGAGEMENT, WE INTERVIEWED DOZENS AND DOZENS OF BUSINESS OWNERS AND INVESTORS.

AND WHAT THEY SAID WAS DUNCANVILLE REGULATORY FRAMEWORK IS OLDER AND IT'S A BIT COBBLED TOGETHER. AND SO THAT MAKES NAVIGATING IT MORE DIFFICULT. IT'S ALSO NOT PRODUCING WHAT WE WANT IT TO PRODUCE. AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE TALK ABOUT REGULATION FROM A STANDPOINT OF CLEAR AND PRODUCTIVE, AND SO IS IT SOMETHING THAT THE AVERAGE PERSON CAN READ, AND IS IT GENERATING THE KIND OF PRODUCT WE'RE LOOKING FOR? AND IN THIS CASE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOUSING PRODUCT. WE WANT TO THINK ABOUT ADDRESSING THINGS THAT AFFECT NEIGHBORHOOD HEALTH, CRIME AND TRAFFIC AND OTHER AND OTHER THINGS THAT CAN BE NUISANCES. HOW DO WE ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES PROACTIVELY AND THEN MULTIMODAL ACCESS AGAIN, IF WE'RE GOING TO BE INCLUSIVE, IF WE'RE GOING TO BE HEALTHY, IF WE'RE GOING TO REDUCE TRAFFIC, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS AMENITIES IN THE CITY IN WAYS OTHER THAN BY CAR. AND THAT'S NOT SAYING THAT WE'RE GOING TO ELIMINATE CARS OR OR DRAMATICALLY REDUCE THEM, BUT IT'S SAYING WE'RE GOING TO GIVE PEOPLE OPTIONS TO GET TO WHERE THEY NEED TO GET RESILIENT ECONOMIC AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. WE NEED TO ATTRACT AND FOSTER INVESTMENT. WE NEED TO IMPROVE OUR REGIONAL IMAGE. YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THING WE HEARD A LOT WHEN WE INTERVIEWED STAKEHOLDERS WAS, MAN, DUNCANVILLE IS JUST A TOUGH PLACE TO DO BUSINESS. YOU KNOW, WHETHER WHETHER IT'S THE AGAIN, THE REGULATORY FRAMEWORK WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT JAGGED, WHETHER IT'S THE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESSES WHICH PEOPLE FELT WERE MAYBE A LITTLE BIT LAYERED IT THE WORD AROUND THE CAMPFIRE WAS DUNCANVILLE CAN BE A HARD PLACE TO DO BUSINESS. WE NEED TO FOSTER LOCAL BUSINESS GROWTH AGAIN. WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO, HOW YOU'RE GOING TO ATTRACT PEOPLE TO COME INTO DUNCANVILLE, EVEN VISITORS, WHICH ARE MY FAVORITE BECAUSE WE CAN GRAB THEM, PICK THEIR POCKETS AND SEND THEM HOME. THE THOSE FOLKS COME TO VISIT LOCAL UNIQUE BUSINESSES, AND WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO FOSTER THAT STRATEGIC INFILL.

AGAIN. YOU ALL HAVE HEARD ME SAY THIS, PROBABLY SOME OF YOU, MANY MORE TIMES THAN ONCE, BUT THIS IDEA THAT DUNCANVILLE IS BUILT OUT OR THAT IT'S LANDLOCKED, THOSE ARE MY LEAST FAVORITE PHRASES IN MY CONVERSATIONS IN DUNCANVILLE, I TEASE THAT EVERY CITY IS LANDLOCKED. THAT'S THE NATURE OF MUNICIPALITIES. WE HAVE BOUNDARIES AND BUILT OUT IS SIMPLY JUST A FACTOR OF YOUR REGULATION AND YOUR AND YOUR AND YOUR VISION FOR COMMUNITY CHARACTER. AND SO IF YOU CAN, IF YOU CAN VISUALIZE A MORE DENSITY IN DIFFERENT PLACES AROUND DUNCANVILLE, IF YOU CAN

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AND SO WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS GENTRIFY OR GROW TO A POINT WHERE OUR DIVERSITY IS THREATENED, PARTICULARLY OUR DIVERSITY OF INCOME, IF THAT. IF THAT GETS THREATENED, WE START TO LOSE SOME OF THE FABRIC. AND SO INCLUSIONARY GROWTH AND A DIVERSE BASE REALLY MEANS THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO RELY ON ANY ONE BIG TRICK PONY HERE TO GET US THROUGH THIS AND THEN STREAMLINE DEVELOPMENT PROCESSES, WHICH WE'VE TALKED ABOUT INTEGRATED, NATURAL AND BUILT ENVIRONMENT. THERE'S A LOT OF REALLY BEAUTIFUL PLACES IN IN DUNCANVILLE. THERE'S A LOT OF REALLY IMPRESSIVE NATURAL ASSETS. AND WHAT WHAT WE HEARD TIME AND TIME AGAIN IS HOW DO WE GROW, HOW DO WE DEVELOP, AND HOW DO WE DO THAT WITHOUT IMPACTING SOME OF THESE REALLY GREAT NATURAL ASSETS. AND SO THE WE WOULD LOOK AT THINGS LIKE IMPROVING REGULATIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE GROWING AWAY FROM THOSE NATURAL ASSETS AND THAT SOME OF THE CLEANUP WE'RE DOING IN TERMS OF SOME, MAYBE SOME SOME DATED DEVELOPMENT AND SOME BLIGHT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE REMEDIATED, PARTICULARLY AROUND THOSE NATURAL ASSETS MITIGATING SPRAWL. THIS WAS ANOTHER SPRAWL IS ANOTHER WORD THAT GRABS PEOPLE. AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SPRAWL, WHAT WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT IS LAND THAT'S NOT BEING USED TO ITS HIGHEST AND BEST POTENTIAL. RIGHT. I, I TALKED ABOUT THERE'S A GREAT, EVEN A GREAT LOCAL PLANNING FIRM WHO'S PLUGGED INTO THIS CONCEPT OF NET REVENUE PER ACRE. AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT SHOWED UP IN THIS IN THIS PLAN, NET REVENUE PER ACRE MEANS CAN THE CITY SERVE THE PROPERTY FOR LESS THAN IT GENERATES IN PROPERTY TAXES? RIGHT. AND SO THAT WE CAN TAKE PROPERTY TAXES, PARTICULARLY FROM DENSE INFILL DEVELOPMENT, AND CREATE AMENITIES THAT WILL THAT WILL CONTINUE TO ATTRACT INVESTMENT. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SPRAWL, WE JUST MEAN OPTIMIZING THE VALUE POTENTIAL OF EVERY PROPERTY IN DUNCANVILLE. WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT EXTREME WEATHER. I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE WEATHERED SOME. WELL. THAT'S A GREAT WAY OF SAYING THAT. I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN THROUGH SOME TOUGH STORMS THE PAST COUPLE OF SEASONS. WHETHER IT'S ICE OR OR THUNDERSTORMS HERE IN THE SUMMERTIME, IT'S GETTING MORE FREQUENT, IT'S GETTING MORE SEVERE. AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT AS WE'RE INVESTING IN OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THAT. AND THAT INCLUDES USING THINGS LIKE GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE. AND AGAIN, THIS DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ANY BROAD SWEEPING CITY OF RAIN GARDENS. BUT IT MEANS WHEN WE'RE DEVELOPING OUT OUR ROAD PROFILES, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT WHERE'S THE WATER GOING TO GO, HOW'S IT GOING TO BE CLEAN WHEN IT WHEN IT REENTERS THE NATURAL CYCLE. THESE ARE SOME OF THOSE URBAN DESIGN ELEMENTS I TALKED ABOUT. WE STARTED THINKING ABOUT PLACES PARTICULARLY AROUND AROUND DUNCANVILLE AND BEYOND, BUT CLOSE BY. SO YOU COULD SEE WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT DALLAS OR FORT WORTH. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT URBAN DESIGN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REALLY STRONG FORM THAT THAT PEOPLE CONNECT WITH. AND SO HERE'S A PIECE FROM DOWNTOWN LANCASTER, WHICH IS, WHICH IS GORGEOUS. SOME OUTDOOR DINING. YOU CAN SEE THE STREET TREES THERE, WALKABILITY. THOSE ARE ALL THOSE ARE ALL MARKS OF GOOD URBAN DESIGN. THIS IS BISHOP ARTS AND I TEASED DURING MY DURING MY TIME ON THIS PROJECT, AT LEAST 2 OR 3 TIMES EVERY MEETING SOMEONE SAID, HEY, YOU GOT TO GO CHECK OUT BISHOP ARTS. AND WHILE YOU KNOW, THIS IS CERTAINLY IN A MORE URBAN AREA, THE ELEMENTS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, THIS BUILDING HERE COULD EASILY BE IN DOWNTOWN DUNCANVILLE. AND YOU'D NEVER KNOW THE DIFFERENCE, RIGHT? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDINGS A BIT UP TO THE STREET. OPPORTUNITY FOR OUTDOOR DINING. GREAT STREET TREES, GREAT EXTERIOR LIGHTING THAT TELLS VISITORS AND PASSERS BY IF YOU WERE DRIVING DOWN THE STREET PAST THIS BUILDING, YOU'D SLOW DOWN AND LOOK AT IT AND TRY TO SEE WHAT IT WAS AND WHETHER YOU HAD AN INTEREST IN IT RIGHT HERE IN YOUR BACKYARD MAIN STATION. THIS WAS DEVELOPED WITH THAT PRINCIPLE IN MIND, RIGHT? MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, UPSTAIRS LIVING AND DOWNSTAIRS COMMERCIAL AND RETAIL, A MIX OF OFFICE AND COMMERCIAL. RIGHT HUG AND RIGHT UP ON THE STREET AND REALLY KIND OF ADDRESSING THE PEDESTRIAN WHO COMES BY. DOWNTOWN VITALITY. WE FELT STRONGLY TO PULL APART ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND DOWNTOWN VITALITY, NOT BECAUSE THEY'RE DIFFERENT THINGS. WE THINK THEY'RE WE THINK ONE FEEDS THE OTHER. BUT TO JUST TO SAY HOW IMPORTANT DOWNTOWN REALLY IS

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BELIEVE IT OR NOT, IT COST. I'M SURE YOU ALL BELIEVE IT. IT COSTS WAY MORE MONEY TO OPEN UP THE GROUND THAN IT DOES TO PUT ANOTHER INCH OR TWO OF A PIECE OF PIPE IN THE GROUND. SO IF YOU IF YOU THINK ABOUT YOUR LONG TERM OPERATIONAL NEEDS WITH RESPECT TO INFRASTRUCTURE, OPEN THE TRENCH ONCE AND PUT THE RIGHT PIECE OF PIPE IN THERE AND YOU WON'T OPEN IT AGAIN FOR 30 OR 40 YEARS IF IT'S DONE RIGHT. SO THINK ABOUT THAT. DON'T CHEAP IT OUT UP FRONT NEAR TERM NEAR TERM GAIN FOR LONG TERM PAIN RIGHT. REVERSE IT. TAKE THE PAIN UP FRONT AND THEN YOU'LL GET LONG TERM RETURN OUT OF IT. THINK ABOUT INNOVATIVE OR SUSTAINABLE APPROACHES. AGAIN INNOVATIVE MEANING COURSE CHANGING. LOOKING AT COMMUNITY ASSETS IN A RADICALLY DIFFERENT WAY. LOOKING AT THE WAY WE OPERATE LOCAL GOVERNMENT IN A DIFFERENT WAY. AND THAT COMES WITH THINGS LIKE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES TO EITHER STRENGTHEN WHAT WE HAVE, TAKING A SERVICE THAT WE LOVE AND WE WANT TO KEEP. BUT WE'RE HAVING A HARD TIME FIGURING OUT HOW TO PAY AND EVOLVE IT, OR ADDING NEW SERVICES AND TAKING ON NEW OR BRINGING NEW AMENITIES

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YES? MAY I ASK MR. HORN A QUICK QUESTION, AND THEN I MAY HAVE. I CAN GET TO MY POINT OF ORDER, IF THAT'S OKAY. MR. HORN, ABOUT HOW MANY MORE SLIDES DO YOU HAVE TO GO BEFORE WE KIND OF GET TO A BREAKING POINT? AND THE REASON I ASK THIS, BECAUSE WE HAVE ABOUT NINE OTHER AGENDA ITEMS HERE IN THE ROOM THAT WE, THAT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO GET TO. SO I'M WONDERING IF WE CAN ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO HOLD ITEM NUMBER FOUR IN ABEYANCE. ALLOW US TO PICK THE AGENDA UP AND PERHAPS COME BACK TO YOU AT THE VERY END, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT YOU'RE AWAITING ACTION FROM THIS BODY.

SO BACK TO MY ORIGINAL QUESTION, JUST ROUGHLY, MR. HORN, ABOUT HOW MANY MORE SLIDES DO YOU HAVE TO GO? SO THAT WAS THE LAST THE LAST OF THE POLICY AREAS SO PREPARED FOR INPUT FROM FROM THE COMMITTEE AT THIS POINT. OKAY. WELL WITH THAT THANK YOU, MR. HORN. I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THE COMMITTEE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE QUITE PREPARED AND READY TO GO INTO ANY QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS FROM THAT. BUT, MADAM CHAIR, IF YOU'D LIKE, I'D LIKE TO, IF IT'S PROPER WITH OUR LEGAL COUNSEL TO HOLD THIS ITEM IN ABEYANCE AND LET US GET TO FIVE A AND WORK OUR WAY THROUGH, AND THEN COME BACK TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR AT THE CONCLUSION OF OUR MEETING TO TALK ABOUT NEXT STEPS IN ANY INPUT AND ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IT'S NOT TO KEEP OUR OUR OUR RESIDENTS WAITING. SINCE HE'S FINISHED WITH THE SLIDES, IF WE THINK THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF DISCUSSION, THEN I'M DEFINITELY IN FAVOR OF THAT. OKAY, I DON'T KNOW. I KNOW HE'S FINISHED WITH THE WITH THE PRESENTATION, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE WANTED TO GET INTO PARTICULAR POLICY AREAS OR THAT ARE. BUT IF IT'S THE WILL OF THE BODY, I WILL PUT FORTH A MOTION TO HOLD ITEM NUMBER FOUR IN ABEYANCE UNTIL WE GET TO MOVE IT DOWN TO AFTER ITEM NUMBER SIX. SEE, GO AHEAD AND PRESENT YOUR MOTION. THAT'S THE MOTION. I SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION TO HOLD UNTIL ITEM SIX AFTER SIX C.

MOTION PASSES. SO, MR. HORN, WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK TO YOU. IF YOU WANT TO HANG OUT OR WE CONTACT YOU WHEN WE GET CLOSER TO THE TO THE END OR HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DO THAT. BUT I THINK WITH THAT MOTION, I'LL DEFER TO MADAM CHAIR ABOUT WHAT ITEM WE'RE ON. WE WILL MOVE TO ITEM

[5.A. Case #2025-00008: Request of Elizabeth Aarcos, Applicant, for a Specific Use Permit to allow for the use of “Animal Services”, on Block 8 & Part of Block 7 ACS 3.347, more commonly known as 202 W. Center Street, City of Duncanville, Dallas County, Texas.]

THERE WE GO. CORRECT. ALL RIGHT. WELL GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIRMAN. PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS, THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU THIS EVENING IS FOR 202 WEST CENTER STREET, LOCATED IN THE CITY OF DUNCANVILLE. THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST THIS EVENING IS FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR TO ALLOW FOR ANIMAL SERVICES. NO. AS A NO. OUTSIDE PENS USE IN THE DOWNTOWN DUNCANVILLE ZONING DISTRICT. ACCORDING TO SECTION 3.03, ANY TYPE OF ANIMAL SERVICES, WHETHER IT'S GROOMING, WHETHER IT'S BATHING, WHETHER IT'S ANY OF THOSE OTHER TYPES OF SERVICES, DO REQUIRE THAT ARE ACCESSORY AND INCIDENTAL, DO REQUIRE SPECIFIC USE. PERMIT WITHIN THE DDA OR DOWNTOWN DUNCANVILLE DISTRICT, YOUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION FOR THIS PROPERTY IS DOWNTOWN, AND I WANT TO CONFIRM THIS EVENING FOR ALL PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS, WE ARE STILL UTILIZING YOUR CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THAT IS THE MAP THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY USING, NOT THE ONE THAT WAS JUST PRESENTED THAT HAS NOT BEEN OFFICIALLY ADOPTED YET. CURRENT ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY IS DOWNTOWN DUNCANVILLE. AND AGAIN, AS YOU CAN SEE IN YOUR SCREEN, ANIMAL SERVICES. NO OUTSIDE PENS. WHAT IT MEANS IS THE FACILITY ENTIRELY INDOORS. DOGS, CATS AND OTHER DOMESTIC ANIMALS ARE ACCEPTED FOR MEDICAL TREATMENT, GROOMING, BATHING, BOARDING OR OTHER TREATMENT FOR PAYMENT IS RECEIVED ON YOUR

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IT'S GOING TO BE LOCATED WITHIN AN EXISTING STRIP CENTER THAT IS ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF CENTER STREET AND SANTA FE TRAIL. PUBLIC NOTIFICATION. WE DID SEND OUT 33 MAILINGS FOR 33 MAILINGS FOR THIS APPLICATION FOR EVERYONE WITHIN 200FT. TO DATE, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY RESPONSES IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION OF THE APPLICATION. YOUR OPTIONS FOR CONSIDERATION ARE TO APPROVE, APPROVE A CONDITIONS, DENY OR TABLE THE APPLICATION TO A FUTURE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING. ITEM NUMBER ONE OR. THANK YOU. DO THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I DO, MADAM CHAIR. SIR, DO IN THIS PARTICULAR REQUEST FOR AN SNP, HAS STAFF MADE A RECOMMENDATION ON THE TIME PERIOD FOR THIS SNP? YOU RESTATE YOUR QUESTION ON THIS PARTICULAR SNP, HAS STAFF MADE A RECOMMENDATION ON THE TIME PERIOD FOR THE DURATION OF THIS SNP? WE HAVE NOT MADE A RECOMMENDATION ON THE TIME PERIOD. AGAIN, THE TIME PERIODS ARE TYPICALLY ON FOR ONLY FOR INCIDENTAL THINGS IN NATURE, OR WE'RE NOT MAKING SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENTS INTO THE PROPERTY. I'M SORRY, COULD YOU REPEAT THAT AGAIN? I LOST YOU. TIME PERIODS ARE TYPICALLY ONLY APPLIED TO WHEN THERE. YOU KNOW THERE'S POTENTIALLY CONCERN. OTHERWISE THIS WOULD BE A STANDARD SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. WELL I'M GOING TO DISAGREE WITH THAT BECAUSE A TIME PERIOD IN AN SNP GIVES THIS BODY THE ABILITY TO REVISIT THE SUBJECT AND TO CHANGE AN SNP WITHOUT ANY TIME FRAME IS TO, IN FACT, CHANGE THE ZONING ON THE GROUND. OTHERWISE IT'S AN INDEFINITE SNP, WHICH IS IN FACT A CHANGING OF ZONING. BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR RESPONSE.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION. I'M THINKING ON MAIN STREET. ISN'T THERE ALREADY A DOG WASH PLACE? SO I'M WONDERING HOW FAR AWAY FROM THAT PLACE IS? RIGHT THERE ON THE CORNER OF MAIN STREET TO THIS NEW PLACE THAT'S RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER. I COULDN'T TELL ON THE MAP. WE DID NOT MEASURE DISTANCES TO OTHER TYPES OF FACILITIES THAT MAY BE SIMILAR IN NATURE FOR THIS, FOR THIS APPLICATION. OKAY, WELL, I WASN'T WONDERING ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS MEASUREMENT. I'M JUST WONDERING, IS THIS PARTICULAR BUSINESS IN THIS SAME. SORT OF LIKE BECAUSE THAT'S A SQUARE AND ONE'S ON THE CORNER. AND SINCE THIS IS CENTER STREET, WHEN I DROVE BY, I DIDN'T EXACTLY I WASN'T ABLE TO REALLY TELL WHERE THIS WAS. THE PROPOSED, THE PROPOSED APPLICATION OR THE PROPOSED ONE. RIGHT. THE PROPOSED ONE THERE.

THERE'S AN EXISTING STRIP CENTER THAT'S OUT THERE, AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE GOING WITHIN ONE OF THE EXISTING TENANT SPACES THAT ARE WITHIN THE STRIP CENTER. QUESTION FOR STAFF. CAN YOU CONFIRM FOR US TO COMMISSIONERS, QUESTION TO COMMISSIONER WYNNE'S QUESTION ABOUT I'M NOT NECESSARILY CONCERNED ABOUT DISTANCE AS AS OPPOSED TO THE WHAT'S AT THE CORE OF HER QUESTION IS ABOUT WHERE'S THE LOCATION OF THE OTHER IN PROXIMITY? IT'S ABOUT TWO BLOCKS AWAY. STAFF TO CONFIRM. I APPRECIATE THAT, COMMISSIONER, AND I BELIEVE THAT THE BUBBLY TUB IS JUST A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN WASH YOUR DOG. IT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND THIS PLACE IS DIFFERENT BECAUSE THEY'LL ACTUALLY BOARD YOUR DOG JUST FOR THE DAY, AND THEY'LL ALSO PROVIDE SOME SORT OF VET SERVICES. SO THEY'RE NOT ENTIRELY THE EXACT SAME THING, EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE IN THE SAME AREA. I THINK ON HERE IT SAYS THAT THEY WILL WASH THE DOGS, THE DOG WILL BE WASHED, WHICH IS THE SAME SERVICE. YEAH. THEY JUST OFFER WAY MORE THINGS THAN THE BUBBLY TUB DOES. AND IT'S A SELF-SERVICE WASH, NOT LIKE A GROOMER. SO IT'S A ENTIRELY DIFFERENT. THANK YOU. LET'S LET'S KEEP OUR QUESTIONS TO THE STAFF. SO STAFF, CAN YOU ALL CONFIRM BACK TO MY QUESTION THAT I THINK THAT WAS ON THE FLOOR, THE LOCATION SO WE CAN DETERMINE PROXIMITY? I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE USE. I HAVE A QUESTION MORE SO IN ALIGNMENT WITH COMMISSIONER WYNN'S QUESTION ABOUT ITS ACTUAL LOCATION IN RELATION TO THIS STRIP CENTER. THE APPLICANT IS HERE, AND THEY CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION SPECIFICALLY. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. STAFF. SO AT THIS TIME, DOES THE APPLICANT WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION?

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HI. THANK YOU. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. SORRY, I'M JUST GOING TO BE HELPING. I'M GOING TO BE HELPING TRANSLATING FOR HER. SHE'S THE ONE WHO'S GOING TO GET THE BUSINESS. ELIZABETH I'M SYLVIA, BY THE WAY. OKAY. IF SHE COULD PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. MY NAME IS ELIZABETH RUIZ. OKAY. AND. OKAY, SO WHAT DO WE HAVE TO DO? SORRY. IF YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION TO THE COMMISSION ABOUT THE BUSINESS, WE WOULD LIKE TO HEAR IT AT THIS TIME. OKAY.

IN SPANISH. IT'S OKAY. AND THEN ARE YOU. AS LONG AS SHE TRANSLATES, THAT'S FINE. OKAY, OKAY. THE. DOG GROOMING IS PRECISAMENTE A EL JOVEN A. EL. ES SOLO AUTO SERVICIO DE TO MISMO PERRO. EL PROPOSITO DE NEGOCIO LAS PERSONAS NO NECESITAN EL SERVICIO DE ELLOS MISMOS. ACUDEN CONMIGO A DE GROOMING. ES POR ESO. LE. PROXIMIDAD DE LOCAL THE SELF SERVE. OKAY. CAN CAN YOU HAVE YOUR YOUR TRANSLATOR. SORRY I FORGOT IT THIS TIME. JUST KIDDING. NO. THE PURPOSE OF HER BUSINESS. SHE'S AWARE ABOUT THE DISTANCE BECAUSE I MEAN SHE SHE'S MOVING THERE IN THE BUBBLE WASH IS JUST MORE LIKE SELF-SERVE. THEY DON'T OFFER GROOMING. THEY DON'T OFFER ANYTHING. I'VE BEEN THERE FOR MY DOG, TOO. SO SHE'S OPENED HER OWN BUSINESS, WHICH IS GONNA OFFER NOT ONLY SHE'S GOING TO BATHE THE DOG, SHE'S GOING TO GROOM HER. SHE'S NOT GOING TO HAVE NO SELF SERVICE. AND ALSO SHE'S GOING TO HAVE LIKE A DOG CARE TOO. AND SHE'S GOING TO OFFER A LOT OF MORE SERVICES TO. CUIDADO DIARIO. NO, NO EN LA NOCHE, CUIDADO. DIARIO DE LA MASCOTA. Y TAMBIÉN OFRECER. SERVICIO DE TRANSPORT DE DOMICILIO. CUANDO LA PERSONA TIEMPO DE SU SERVICIO DE GROOMING. ENTONCES EL PROPOSITO EN REALIDAD ES PUES HACER MAS COMO DE LA VIDA DE TODAS LAS PERSONAS. TENEMOS UNA MASCOTA OKAY. SHE ALSO WANT TO ADD MORE SERVICES LIKE PICKING UP THE DOGS STAY MORE AT NIGHT. I MEAN OF COURSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO STAY IN THE FACILITY. SHE'S GOING TO MAKE ARRANGEMENTS. AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, SHE JUST WANT TO FACILITATE EVERYTHING FOR THE COMMUNITY. OKAY. I PERSONAS EN ESTOS MOMENTOS LUGARES FUERA A MASCOTA SERVICIO DE GROOMING. ENTONCES YO ESPECIFICAMENTE LA LUGAR PRECISAMENTE PORQUE ES DONDE ESTA CONCENTRADO. PUES MAYORIA DE PERSONAS. NO SIEMPRE TIENEN ELLOS EL TIEMPO DE ELLOS MISMOS A HACER EL SERVICIO DE LAVADO OKAY. SHE ALSO NOTICED THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE TAKE THEIR DOGS SOMEWHERE ELSE, LIKE AROUND OAK CLIFF, GRANDE PRAIRIE, BECAUSE THERE IS ENOUGH DOG SERVICES AROUND THIS AREA. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY SHE CHOOSE AND PICK THAT LOCATION, BECAUSE SHE SAW THE NEED OF THE OF THE DUNCANVILLE COMMUNITY. OKAY. DO THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I HAVE A QUESTION. I NOTICED ALSO, THERE'S A LISTING THAT SAYS ELIZABETH R ON MAIN STREET. SO IS THIS THE SAME? WHERE. OKAY, YOU SPECIFY THAT FOR ME PLEASE. THIS IS 100.

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WELL SHE IT'S RENTING THERE IN BUBBLE WASH. SHE JUST DO GROOMING THERE. BUT SHE'S SHE'S MOVING. YEAH. SHE NEEDS MORE SPACE. IT'S GETTING REAL PACKED IN THERE. AND ALSO THEY IT'S THAT'S A REALLY LIKE SMALL BUSINESS. ONLY HAVE LIKE FOUR TUBS FOR DOGS. SO THAT'S WHY SHE EXPANDED HERSELF ALSO THAT'S WHERE SHE SAW THE OPPORTUNITY FOR MORE BUSINESS AND EVERYTHING FOR THAT COMMUNITY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING OF THIS MEETING? SO MOVED. SECOND. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN. OH, WE HAVE TO. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF OPENING THE PUBLIC HEARING, PLEASE INDICATE. ALL IN FAVOR. MOTION. CAN. CAN WE DO THE ROLL CALL? THANK YOU. THAT WOULD BE EASIER. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. SO WAS THERE ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WISHED TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR AGAINST? FOR THIS? IS THERE ANYBODY THAT SIGNED UP? OKAY. THEN WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO I HAVE A MOTION? SO MOVED SECOND. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED. ARE THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? WOULD. MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE TO APPROVE THIS APPLICATION FOR A PERIOD OF FIVE YEARS? I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THAT ON PAGE TWO OF THEIR ZONING APPLICATION. I'M SORRY. CAN WE DISPENSE OF THE MOTION IF THERE'S A SECOND OR NOT? WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD A MODIFICATION. OKAY. I'M LISTENING ON PAGE TWO OF THE ZONING APPLICATION. IT WASN'T COMPLETED. AND SO MY ONLY MODIFICATION WOULD BE THAT THE APPLICATION IS ACTUALLY COMPLETED. OH WELL, MADAM CHAIR, IF, IF, IF YOU HAVE A FINDING OF FACT THAT THE APPLICATION IS NOT PERFECTED, THEN I WILL WITHDRAW THE MOTION, BECAUSE IF THE APPLICATION ISN'T PERFECTED, THEN PERHAPS THE APPLICATION SHOULDN'T BE BEFORE US. POINT. FOR THE STAFF FOR ANY CLARIFICATION ON THAT. IF YOU TAKE NOTE THAT THE APPLICATION IS IMPERFECTED, THAT'S MORE MATERIAL, I THINK THAN THAN THAN THE MOTION. BECAUSE IF THE APPLICATION IS IMPERFECT, THEN PERHAPS IT SHOULDN'T BE BEFORE US TODAY. BUT BUT THAT'S MY MOTION. AT ANY RATE. IS MY UNDERSTANDING INCORRECT? ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE SIGNATURE OF THE PROPERTY OWNER? YES. AND CONFIRM THAT AS PART OF IT WITHIN YOUR PACKET. IT DOES NOT APPEAR THAT THAT SIGNATURE PAGE IS THERE, BUT WE CAN CONFIRM IT. WELL, I WILL REVISE MY MOTION, MADAM CHAIR, TO HOLD THIS MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL OUR NEXT TO OUR NEXT SCHEDULED PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO ALLOW FOR THE PERFECTION OF THE APPLICATION. COUNSEL, CAN WE PUT A MODIFICATION IF THEY GET IT DONE WITHIN 24 HOURS? OR DO I HAVE TO SAY WE STILL HAVE TO HAVE A MOTION THAT WAY? SO THERE'S A MOTION ON THE TABLE AND WE NEED TO EITHER SECOND IT OR. I SECOND THE MOTION. YEAH.

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I DON'T WANT TO WORK THE ZONING CASE. WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, MR. SALAZAR, AT THE HORSESHOE OR AT THE PODIUM, I JUST RATHER HOLD IT UNDER ADVISEMENT, ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO WORK WITH STAFF TO PERFECT THEIR APPLICATION, AND THEN WE TAKE THAT UNDER WE HOLD THAT UNDER ADVISEMENT AND TAKE IT BACK UP UNDER CONSIDERATION AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME. OKAY. SO THAT THERE WAS A MOTION AND A SECOND SO WE CAN VOTE ON THIS UNLESS THERE'S FURTHER DISCUSSION, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO GIVE THEM 24 HOURS TO GET THIS HANDLED SO THAT WE DON'T HOLD THEM UP ANOTHER MONTH. I BELIEVE YOU CAN MAKE IF, IF IT'S OWN IN IN CHOOSING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT WE CAN CONFIRM AND THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER SIGNS US BEFORE IT GOES IN FRONT OF THE CITY COUNCIL, THIS APPLICANT HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE WITH THE DEPARTMENT FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS. I THINK I APPRECIATE THAT ILLUMINATION. I DON'T THINK IT CHANGES MY MOTION BECAUSE APPLICATION TECHNICALLY SHOULD NOT APPEAR BEFORE US AND IT NOT BE PERFECTED. AND I DON'T MEAN TO HOLD THIS AGAINST THE APPLICANT OR THE TIME THEY SPENT WORKING WITH STAFF, BUT THE FACT IS THAT THIS APPLICATION TECHNICALLY SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ON OUR DOCKET TONIGHT. IF IT WAS NOT A PERFECTED APPLICATION BY STAFF, UNFORTUNATELY. SO THAT'S NOT PERSUASIVE ENOUGH TO FOR ME TO CHANGE THE CONTOURS OF THE MOTION I PRESENTED AND GOTTEN A SECOND FOR, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD TAKE SOME SORT OF ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THE FACT THAT IT WASN'T COMPLETED BEFORE US, AND KIND OF GIVE SOME SORT OF GRACE TO THEM AND ALLOW THEM TO HAVE IT PROCESSED AND DONE BEFORE CITY COUNCIL, BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF PIECES MOVING WITHIN OUR INTERNAL STRUCTURE WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING.

AND OLSON. SO THINGS HAVE BEEN GETTING LOST IN THE CRACKS, AND I'M SURE THEY'VE BEEN WAITING LONGER THAN LIKE, HOW LONG HAVE YOU GUYS BEEN WAITING? CAN I EVEN ASK THEM THAT QUESTION? I CAN'T ASK THEM THAT QUESTION. SORRY, BUT I'M SURE THEY'VE BEEN WAITING A WHILE. I MEAN, SHE'S LOSING MONEY ON A MONTHLY BASIS AND A SECOND, AND WE NEED TO VOTE ON THAT. AND IF YOU ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF THAT MOTION, I BELIEVE THE COMMISSIONERS CAN VOTE AGAINST, IF THAT'S THEIR WISH. SO LET'S VOTE. THE MOTION WAS TO HOLD THIS UNDER ADVISEMENT. WE'RE TABLING IT UNTIL THE APPLICATION IS COMPLETE. THAT WAS THE MOTION TO TABLE IT. OKAY. YES. TABLE NO TO. OKAY. PLEASE VOTE. OKAY. SO IT'S 4 TO 3. WE'RE WE'RE TABLING THIS. EMPTY 4 TO 3. BY SHOW OF HANDS. OH THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU. 42 TO TABLE. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MR. MISS O'BRIEN HAS. NO, NO, I WAS JUST RAISING MY HAND TO TABLE. OKAY, MADAM CHAIR, COULD YOU REPEAT WHAT THE. IT WAS 4 TO 2 TO TABLE. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. MOVING TO. SORRY. MOVING

[5.B. Case #2025-00009: Request of Brian Neal, Owner and James Cartright, Agent, for a zoning change from Local Office/Retail (LOR) district to a Single Family Residential (SF-13) district, on Eckerd Griffith Green, Lot 2 ACS 1.0844, more commonly known as 810 Wheatland Road, City of Duncanville, Dallas County, Texas. ]

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IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, RIGHT JUST ACROSS THE ALLEYWAY THERE IS THERE MAY BE AN ALLEYWAY BETWEEN. CORRECT. BETWEEN. RIGHT. SO HOW HOW DID COMMERCIAL DID COMMERCIAL ZONING GET APPLIED TO THE SINGLE FAMILY USE? I CANNOT MAKE THAT DETERMINATION. FROM OUR RESEARCH OF THE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY, THE APPLICANT MAY BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY THAT. BUT WITHIN YOUR LAND USE PLAN IT IDENTIFIES THIS PROPERTY AS COMMERCIAL. SO MORE THAN LIKELY WITH THE LAND USE PLAN WAS APPLIED IN THE ZONING WAS AMENDED OR ADOPTED. WHEN THE NEW ZONING CODE WAS PUT IN PLACE. MORE THAN LIKELY, THEY WERE TRYING TO MATCH THE TWO DIFFERENT PROPERTIES, BUT I CANNOT CONFIRM THAT. OR TO THE WEST OF THIS PROPERTY ON EATON CIRCLE, I SEE TWO PARCELS OF LAND IN YELLOW. ARE THOSE RESIDENTIAL USES AS WELL? THOSE ARE RESIDENTIAL USES, CORRECT? OKAY. AND IN THE IN THE HASH MARK TO THE REAR, I GUESS THAT'S SANTA FE TRAIL. SO THAT WOULD BE THE SUP USES THAT I'M THINKING ABOUT THAT I LOOK AT COMING LEFT AND THEN YOU MAKE THE HARD LEFT ONTO WHEATLAND. OKAY I SEE THE BUFFER. THERE ARE TWO. THERE ARE TWO SPECIFIC USE PERMITS SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY. YES, CHILD CARE USE AND PROBABLY SOME OTHER THINGS I THINK I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE USES THERE. OKAY. I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? DOES THE APPLICANT WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? THANK YOU. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. BRIAN. NEIL, GO AHEAD AND TELL ME AT 810 WEST WHEATLAND ROAD. YEAH. MY NAME IS JAMES CARTWRIGHT. I'M REPRESENTING MR. NEIL. I JUST WANT TO SAY GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU. PLEASE SPEAK INTO THE MIC. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS JAMES CARD. I'M REPRESENTING MR. NEIL. I WANTED TO SAY GOOD EVENING TO MADAM CHAIR AND TO THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS. I AM A PROPERTY TAX CONSULTANT. AND IN SPEAKING WITH MR. NEIL, WHAT I WAS ABLE TO LOCATE IS HIM AND HIS WIFE HAVE PURCHASED HIM AND HIS WIFE HAVE PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY IN 2005.

AND WHEN THEY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY IN 2005, IT WAS ZONED RETAIL TWO. SO AT THAT POINT, HE'S BEEN ACTUALLY PAYING FOR 20 YEARS PRICE PER SQUARE FOOT AS OPPOSED TO FLAT FEE. IF WE WERE

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AND YOU KNOW HOW IT IS THE SAME OR SIMILAR TO PROPERTY TO THE EAST OR WEST OF IT, OR NORTH OR SOUTH OF IT? SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE PREPARED FOR THE COMMISSION, BUT I'M GOING TO LET YOU KNOW WE CAN'T CONSIDERATIONS INTO IN. 160,080 FLAT, WHEREAS HIS IS 245,000. SO WHAT I'M DOING IS I'M COMING UP IN FRONT OF PLANNING AND ZONING NOW TO SEE IF THEY CAN TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT HIS LOT BE ASSESSED AS A RESIDENTIAL AS OPPOSED TO RETAIL TO. MADAM CHAIR, I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT OR HIS REPRESENTATIVE IS TO THE. I GUESS THAT WOULD BE EAST OF YOUR PROPERTY LINE. SO BETWEEN YOU AND THE CVS, IS THERE A AN IMPROVED ALLEY. SO A PAVED ALLEYWAY BETWEEN YOUR PROPERTY AND THE NEXT. IS THERE AN ALLEYWAY BETWEEN THE TWO? NO IT'S NOT. WHAT'S BETWEEN YOUR PROPERTY LINE AND THE CVS PROPERTY LINE. ARE TWO ADJACENT BUSINESSES. REMEMBER YOU HAVE 80 AT&T AND CVS. THEN IT'S A DRIVE THAT COMES STRAIGHT THROUGH.

IT'S A DRIVE RIGHT. THERE'S A THERE'S A THERE'S AN ALLEY THAT'S BETWEEN YOUR PROPERTY AND THE CVS PROPERTY. I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY CALL IT AN ALLEY. IS IT A PAVED DRIVEWAY SIR? YES.

OKAY. THERE IS AN THERE IS AN ENTRANCE POINT THAT SEPARATES YOUR PROPERTY FROM THE OTHER PROPERTY THAT'S PAVED. YES. OKAY. AND THAT AND I WOULD ASSUME THAT THAT THAT TERMINATES AT THE PROPERTY LINE OF THE AT&T COMING ALL THE WAY DOWN FROM WHEATLAND. RIGHT. AND IT WOULD TERMINATE AT THAT PROPERTY LINE. CORRECT. RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION. GO AHEAD. SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT WHEN YOU INITIALLY BOUGHT THE HOUSE IT WAS ZONED AS R-2. IS THAT WHAT YOU STATED EARLIER? YES WHEN I ORIGINALLY PURCHASED IT. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DON'T KNOW.

AND WHEN HE PURCHASED THE LOT BACK IN 2005, HE WAS GOING OFF OF THE REALTORS AND WHOEVER PUT THE PACKAGE TOGETHER. SO THEREFORE, MOVING FORWARD FOR THE PAST 20 YEARS, HE'S ACTUALLY BEEN PAYING HIS PROPERTY TAX, NOT REALLY KNOWING HOW TO READ THE DCAD PROPERTY TAX BILL, WHICH BASICALLY STATES ON THEIR R-2. SO AS I WAS WORKING. SO IT WAS JUST MISINFORMATION FROM THE REALTOR, BUT IT WAS ALWAYS ZONED AS THIS WHAT IS THIS LAW? IT WAS ALWAYS ZONED AS LAW. SINCE 2005, THERE HASN'T BEEN A ZONING CHANGE SINCE YOU MOVED. NO. OKAY. THAT WAS MY COOL. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. AND WHEN YOU PURCHASED IT, THERE WAS ALREADY ALREADY A HOUSE ON THE LOT. SO THEREFORE IT WAS NEVER CHANGED. SO HIM AND HIS WIFE PURCHASED IT. AND NOW I'M COMING IN TO SEE WHAT I CAN DO TO TRY AND HELP HIM. ALL RIGHT. IS THERE IS THERE ANYONE. IF THERE'S ANYONE HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS, I CAN OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO MOVED.

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THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN. IF THERE'S ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST, YOU MAY PLEASE HAVE YOUR SEAT UNTIL. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO MOVED. SECOND VOTE. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED. DOES THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT OR STAFF? I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE TO IN CASE NUMBER. 2020 5-00009. I MOVE TO APPROVE THIS APPLICATION AS REQUESTED AND I HAVE COMMENTS IF I HAVE A SECOND. I SECOND. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER O'BRIAN.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, I'M GOING TO I MY MOTION IS TO APPROVE THIS MOTION. THERE IS WE'VE SEEN IN SO MANY OTHER INSTANCES WITH SUPS AND WITH ZONING CASES THAT AT DIFFERENT PERIODS OF TIME AND JUST AS WE HEARD FROM MR. HORN TALKING ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND HOW THINGS CHANGE ON ON THE GROUND AND MY EXPERIENCE IN ZONING, PERHAPS PRIOR TO 2005, WE DECIDED AS A CITY THAT IF WE LOOK TO THE NORTH, THERE'S RETAIL IN THAT CORNER, WHICH WE'VE ALL FAMILIAR WITH, AND THERE'S A HARD SET OF THAT OR LAW THAT'S WITHIN THIS QUADRANT, BUT THERE IS A NATURAL BREAK THAT EASES THIS BACK INTO THE RESIDENTIAL USE BY AN IMPROVED ALLEY. MR. NEIL DOESN'T DESCRIBE IT THAT WAY, BUT THE REASON I WAS ASKING THAT IS BECAUSE I WANTED TO KNOW, WAS THERE A NATURAL BREAK THAT WOULD EASE THIS BACK INTO THE RESIDENTIAL USE? AND I SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE THE CONVERSE OF THIS WOULD BE TO HAVE ANOTHER ZONING APPLICATION COME TO THIS BODY, AND ANOTHER WAY ASKING TO REPLAT AND TO MAKE ONE HUGE PIECE OF LAW OR RETAIL ACROSS THIS WHOLE QUADRANT THAT WOULD THEN PUT THOSE TWO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES THAT FACE EATON TO THE WEST IN, IN, IN A WORSE SITUATION. AND SO I REALLY THINK MR. NEIL, PRIOR TO HIM PURCHASING THE HOME AND THE PRIOR OWNER GOT SLAPPED WITH AN OVERLAY THAT WAS A LAW THAT WAS INTENDED TO CREATE SOME CONFORMITY ON THIS HARD CORNER. AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE REALITY. AND THAT'S NOT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT ANY OF THE FINANCIAL CONSIDERATIONS OR EVEN DISCOUNTING WHATEVER INFORMATION MR. NEIL SHOULD HAVE KNOWN AND DISCLOSURE AND BUYING. BUT I THINK IF THERE WAS NOT AN IMPROVED ALLEY AND I'M FAMILIAR WITH, YOU KNOW, HOW YOU GO DOWN THERE, THERE'S NO U-TURN, THERE'S NO LEFT TURN, THERE'S A SIGN THERE THAT PREVENTS INDIVIDUALS FROM GETTING ON THE BACKSIDE OF THAT CVS DRIVE THROUGH THAT'S RELATED TO THAT ALLEYWAY. AND WITH THE ABSENCE OF THAT, I THINK MY MOTION WOULD BE DIFFERENT. BUT I THINK THIS TRUES UP AND MAKES HIM A BETTER NEIGHBOR TO EATING, TO HIS EATING NEIGHBORS TO THE WEST, AND ALSO REALIZING THAT WHATEVER DREAMS, HOPES AND ASPIRATION HE HAS FOR THE REMAINING HALF ACRE THAT'S AT THE AT THAT'S AT THE I GUESS THAT WOULD BE THE WHAT WHAT SOUTH SOUTHERN PORTION OF THAT LOT WOULD HAVE TO ALSO CONFORM WITH RESIDENTIAL. AND I THINK THAT'S IN BETTER PART OF KEEPING WITH BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR. SO THAT'S THE BACKGROUND TO MY MOTION AND HOPEFULLY THIS COMMISSION CAN SUPPORT IT IN THE MAJORITY. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS DISCUSSION. ALL RIGHT. PLEASE VOTE. THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE. MOTION PASSES. WE WILL

[5.C. Case #2025-00010: Request of Briana Baugh, Applicant and Martha Fermin, Owner, for a zoning change from Neighborhood Office/Retail (NOR) to Downtown District (DD) Urban Living (UL on Block 1, Part of Lot 15 of Original Town Duncanville, an addition to the City of Duncanville, more commonly known as, 314 N. Hastings Street, City of Duncanville, Dallas County, Texas.]

SO THERE IS A DOWNTOWN DISTRICT, AND THEN THERE'S A SUBDISTRICT CALLED URBAN LIVING. FUTURE LAND

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STAFF QUESTION ARE THERE DESIGN STANDARDS IN CONNECTION WITH THE DOWNTOWN DUNCANVILLE DISTRICT AS IT RELATES TO MULTIFAMILY OR, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING AROUND THERE? IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE I'VE SEEN ANYTHING IN THE EXISTING IN THE EXISTING CODE, THE ZONING, THE THERE ARE DESIGN SYSTEMS FOR THE DOWNTOWN AREA. AND AS THE APPLICANT, IF RECEIVING APPROVAL FROM THIS BODY AND THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD NEED TO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THE DRC AND PERMITTING TO ABIDE BY THOSE REQUIREMENTS FOR IF THERE ARE ANY SPECIFICALLY FOR TOWNHOMES OR DUPLEXES. RIGHT, BECAUSE THERE SHOULD BE SOME TYPE OF STANDARD AS TO FORM IN TERMS OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS IN THAT PARTICULAR DISTRICT. IS MY MEMORY CORRECT THERE? THAT IS MORE IN LINE WITH COMMERCIAL RETAIL TYPE OF BUSINESSES THAT ARE THERE. WE CAN CONFIRM IF THERE ARE IF THERE ARE ANYTHING FOR THE DUPLEXES. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S WHY WE, THE URBAN LIVING IS WHY WE BECAUSE IT DOES ALLOW TWO FAMILY WITHIN THERE. RIGHT? IT GIVES US THE DENSITY. I KNOW THAT IT DOES THAT IN THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT, BUT I'M WONDERING ABOUT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IN TERMS OF THE, THE, THE, THE DESIGN STANDARDS. I BELIEVE MOST OF YOUR DESIGN STANDARDS ARE MORE APPLIED TO LARGER BUILDINGS, LARGER MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT WHERE YOU'D HAVE RETAIL COMMERCIAL ON THE BOTTOM AND RESIDENTIAL TOP, MORE OF THE MIXED USES. OKAY. THANK YOU. AM I CORRECT THAT THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR HAS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON IT CURRENTLY? YES, I BELIEVE YOU ARE CORRECT. THERE IS A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE ADJACENT TO IT RIGHT NOW. YES. RIGHT. DOES THE APPLICANT WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS BRIANNA BOER AND THE ADDRESS IS 31 FOUR NORTH HASTINGS. SO YES, THIS IS A PROPERTY THAT MY CLIENT HAS HAD FOR QUITE SOME TIME. I KNOW AT ONE POINT IT WAS, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS A COURT OFFICE OR WHAT WAS IT FOR DUNCANVILLE, BUT OUR GOAL IS TO HOPEFULLY BRING MORE OF THAT WALKABLE, LIVABLE OPPORTUNITY TO DUNCANVILLE. THAT WAY WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO MAXIMIZE THAT SPACE, GIVE IT THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE, AND ALLOW FOR SOMEBODY HOPEFULLY TO GO AND SIP SOME COFFEE IN WALKING DISTANCE. DO YOU HAVE ANY DESIGN? WE DON'T HAVE ANY RENDERINGS RIGHT NOW. AT THIS MOMENT, WE'RE JUST WORKING ON THAT CONCEPT. WANTED TO SEE LIKE, OKAY, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF? AND THEN WE COULD HAVE THE ARCHITECTS GO AHEAD AND DRAFT UP THOSE RENDERINGS. DO THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I DO MISS BALL. JUST REALLY QUICKLY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU. WHAT EXISTS NOW AT THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY. SO RIGHT NOW IT'S A 400 SQUARE

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YEAH, WE'RE WE'RE OPEN TO THE IDEA. WHATEVER'S GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, MOST APPEALING TO YOU GUYS. OKAY. AND YOU DON'T HAVE LIKE A CALCULATION OF THE FLAT WORK THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, LIKE THE SIDEWALK, THE DRIVEWAYS, THE LANES. NOT YET. NOT IN THIS MOMENT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. DO THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING THE ZONING? ALL RIGHT. AT THIS TIME, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO MOVED. PLEASE VOTE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, GUYS. THANK YOU. PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN. IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES, WISHES TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO MOVED. PLEASE VOTE.

ALL RIGHT. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION OR DO I HAVE A MOTION? I'M FAMILIAR WITH THIS. WITH THIS PROPERTY. I DRIVE BY IT EVERY DAY. AND THE BUSINESSES THAT HAVE BEEN IN THERE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO STAY IN BUSINESS. AND I THINK REZONING THIS WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. I RECOMMEND APPROVAL MOTION, MADAM CHAIR.

ANY DISCUSSION? MY CONCERN IS THERE WERE NO RENDERINGS THAT WE COULD SEE IN MORE DETAIL OF WHAT THE DESIGN WAS GOING TO BE. SO THERE WAS THE SCHEMATICS. THAT WILL GIVE ME A BETTER IDEA OF HOW THIS IS GOING TO WORK OUT. I'M NOT SURE THAT'S OUR PURVIEW, BUT IF I'M WRONG, PLEASE CORRECT ME. THE ACTUAL BUILDING ELEVATIONS AND SITE PLAN WOULD BE THROUGH THE DRC AND THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS. PLANNING COMMISSION TYPICALLY DOES NOT REVIEW BUILDING ELEVATIONS OR SITE PLANS AS PART OF IT. MY CONCERN WAS THE ACTUAL LAYOUT. AS FAR AS THE. HOW IS IT GOING

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[5.D. Case #2025-00015: Request of Alma M. Cartwright, Applicant and Owner, for a zoning change from Planned Development (PD) to Duplex Residential District (TF-7) on land conveyed to the City of Duncanville in the A.M.G. Merrill Survey, Abstract No. 884, more commonly known as 400 E. Center, City of Duncanville, Dallas County, Texas. ]

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THAT IS CORRECT SIR. SO ALL OF THESE AROUND ARE ARE SINGLE FAMILY. IS IT STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE THAT THAT THIS IS CONSIDERED QUOTE UNQUOTE SPOT ZONING BECAUSE HELP ME FILL IN THE BLANK. RESTATE YOUR LAST YES WITH ALL THE OTHER SINGLE FAMILY USES AROUND. IS THIS CONSIDERED THIS IS CONSIDERED QUOTE UNQUOTE, SPOT ZONING BECAUSE WHY? IT'S A SINGLE TRACK OF LAND THAT IS BEING REZONED TO A DIFFERENT ZONING CLASSIFICATION THAT IS NOT IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE WITH THE SURROUNDING ZONING AREA. IF YOU IF YOU DO LOOK AT YOUR PACKET AS WELL, WE DID PROVIDE INFORMATION FROM THE TEXAS MUNICIPAL LEAGUE, WHICH WAS A LEGAL OPINION THAT WAS PROVIDED ON SPOT ZONING AND THE DEFINITION THAT THEY PROVIDED WITHIN THERE WAS SPOT ZONING IS THE ILLEGAL PRACTICE OF ZONING A SINGLE TRACT OF LAND IN A MANNER THAT IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREAS, AND IN A MANNER THAT IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE CITY'S ZONING ORDINANCE AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO IS IT THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE THAT, BASED ON THE TEXAS MUNICIPAL LEAGUE, HTML'S DEFINITION, NOTWITHSTANDING YOURS, MADAM LEGAL COUNSEL, THAT THAT WE COULD AWAIT THAT THIS ZONING REQUEST IS UNCHARACTERISTIC WITH ANY OF THE OTHER USES. IT IS OUR

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400 EAST CENTER. AS I WAS LOOKING AT THE DOCUMENTATION, IT HAS ALMA CARTWRIGHT ON THERE. IF YOU ALL WOULD LIKE, I COULD TURN IN TO WHERE WE DID HAVE A DEED TRANSFER FROM HOUSE OF REFUGE CHRISTIAN CENTER TO JC HOLDING. IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE. OKAY. NOW. AS YOU ALL FLIP THROUGH THE PRESENTATION THAT I, THAT I PUT TOGETHER, THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED PD NOR NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE RETAIL MIXED USE. NOW IN THE MIXED USE. ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'VE HAD WITH THE PROPERTY WITH THE UPDATED ZONING IS PARKING WITH NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE RETAIL. IT'S ONE PARKING SPOT PER 300FT■!S. E BUILDING EQUATES TO 4200FT■!S, WHICH THERE IS NOT 14 PARKING SPOTS ON THE LOT. SO THEREFORE, AS A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, IT IS A NON ASSET PRODUCING PROPERTY. WE'VE HAD SEVERAL POTENTIAL PURCHASERS OR BUYERS, BUT WHEN THEY CAME BACK TO DUNCANVILLE THEY SAID THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE CAN DO WITH THIS COMMERCIAL PROPERTY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKING. WHEN WE GO TO DUNCANVILLE AND THEY ASK, WHAT IS YOUR TOTAL OCCUPANCY? THE TOTAL OCCUPANCY FOR THE BUILDING WOULD BE MORE THAN NINE PARKING SPOTS. SO FROM THAT SO FROM THAT INSTANCE, I SAID, OKAY, WHAT IS IT THAT WE CAN DO WITH THIS PROPERTY THAT IS SITTING THAT WE CANNOT HAVE AS A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY? BECAUSE ANYONE THAT WE TRY TO SELL IT TO, THEY WOULD WALK AWAY BECAUSE THERE WOULD NOT BE AMPLE PARKING. SO AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE PACKET THAT I'VE SENT, I PERSONALLY WENT TO ALL THE NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE STREET AROUND THE CORNER ASKING THEM HOW WOULD THEY FEEL IF THIS BUILDING, 4200 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING THAT HAS BEEN SITTING DORMANT SINCE COVID WOULD BE CONVERTED INTO A DUPLEX, AND I GOT A UNANIMOUS SIGNATURES THAT ARE STATED ON THERE THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT MORE AS A DUPLEX THAN AS A COMMERCIAL, WHICH WOULD BRING A HIGHER DENSITY, HIGHER PARKING. IN ADDITION TO THAT, IF YOU ALSO LOOK ON THE PACKET THAT I SENT PRIOR TO 2007, THE BUILDING WAS AN OFFICE DUPLEX. IT WAS BASED, AND IT HAS TWO TWO AIR CONDITIONERS IN THE TWO AC IN THE BACK. IT HAS TWO HVACS. IT HAS TWO KITCHENS, IT HAS THE FIREWALL. SO IT'S ACTUALLY PRIOR TO THE ZONING CHANGE, PRIOR TO THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS, IT WAS A RESIDENTIAL DUPLEX. COMMERCIAL DUPLEX. SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO, BEING THAT DUNCANVILLE HAS CHANGED THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS PER NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE RETAIL, THERE'S NO WAY THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE 50% RETAIL, 50% OFFICE WITH ONLY NINE PARKING SPOTS. IT WOULD NOT PASS. SO THE NEXT THING TO DO IS WHAT IS IT THAT I CAN DO WITH THIS PROPERTY TO BE ABLE TO BRING REVENUE, PROPERTY TAX, SOMETHING THAT THE NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE STREET WOULD LIKE AND THAT WOULD BE A

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NOW WITH THE ZONING, I'M JUST TRYING TO HAVE IT MOVED INTO A RESIDENTIAL DUPLEX. SO THEREFORE WE CAN HAVE THE FIRE BEARING WALL WHICH IS ALREADY THERE. YOU SEE THE LAYOUT THAT WE'VE ALREADY PUT TOGETHER, WHICH IS A THREE BEDROOM, TWO BATH, TWO AND A HALF BATHS WITH AMPLE PARKING.

CURRENTLY, THAT IS THE ONLY THING THAT WE CAN TECHNICALLY DO WITH THE PROPERTY DUE TO THE ZONING PARKING. ARE THERE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MR. CARTER, BASED ON YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY? I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YOU CAN'T PARK IT AS IT IS, AS YOU CAN'T PARK THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION ACCORDING TO THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS, WITH THE USE THAT IT'S CURRENTLY WITHIN THE APPROVED PD. CORRECT. OUTSIDE OF AND I THINK MY NOTES SAID NOR IS THE CURRENT ALLOWED USE PURSUANT TO THE PD NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE RETAIL. ARE THERE ANY OTHER USES THAT THIS PARTICULAR PD ALLOWS FOR THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. I JUST KNOW THAT AS FAR AS THE RETAIL AND AS FAR AS THE OFFICE, IT ALL COMES BACK, SIR, TO THE. I'M LISTENING. ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY OTHER USES? NO, I AM NOT. OKAY. YOU'RE NOT AWARE OF ANY OTHER USES. SO THIS PD CALLS OUT AND SPECIFIES THE ONLY USE IN THIS RESIDENTIAL AREA IS A NOR PURSUANT TO THE PD. CORRECT. OKAY. DO YOU KNOW ROUGHLY OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD? I'M JUST TRYING TO SAVE STAFF. ANOTHER QUESTION. THEY MAY NOT HAVE THE ANSWER TO MY.

MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS DO YOU KNOW WHEN THIS PD WENT INTO EFFECT, ARE YOU AWARE OR DO YOU HAVE ANY OF THAT HISTORY I JUST WHILE I HAVE YOU. ORDINANCE NUMBER 2425R2425R IS ORDINANCE NUMBER OKAY WAS SIGNED BY BARRY L LOGAN MAYOR ON FEBRUARY 2022. AND I DO HAVE THE DOCUMENTATION 2022. YES, SIR. SO NOT LONG AGO THIS BODY AND THEN EVENTUALLY COUNCIL APPROVED THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT THAT ALLOWED FOR THIS ONE USE OF NOR. YES. ANY PREVIOUS OCCUPANTS OPERATED IN THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE UNDER THE DESIGNATION NO. IF WE WANT TO GET THE ABOUT THIS CHURCH I SEE IN THE PICTURES AND THE MATERIAL YOU PROVIDED US. YES.

SO MY FATHER WAS THE PASTOR, RIGHT? AND SO MY PARENTS OWNED THE PROPERTY FOR 15 YEARS. HE PASSED PRIOR TO COVID. SO AFTER PASSING, PRIOR TO COVID, WE WERE HAVING PROBLEMS SELLING THE PROPERTY. MY MOM WAS HAVING PROBLEMS SELLING THE PROPERTY BECAUSE ANYTIME WE WOULD HAVE SOMEONE THAT WOULD COME TO PURCHASE IT, THEY WOULD COME TO DUNCANVILLE AND THEY WOULD BE LIKE, I CAN'T RUN A BUSINESS OUT OF THAT BECAUSE OF THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS. SO FROM THAT POINT, I WENT TO MY MOM AND I SAID, LISTEN, LET ME LET'S DO A DEED TRANSFER OVER TO MY COMPANY. AND WHAT I'LL DO IS I'LL DO THE AS MUCH DUE DILIGENCE AS I CAN TO SEE WHAT IS IT THAT WE CAN DO WITH THIS PROPERTY. SO THEREFORE IT CAN BE UTILIZED IN DUNCANVILLE, CAN BENEFIT FROM IT. AND FROM THAT I WANTED TO GO TO THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE ACROSS THE STREET AND THAT ARE CLOSEST TO THE PROPERTY AND ASK THEM, WHAT IS IT THAT YOU WOULD LIKE? HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THIS BEING CONVERTED INTO A DUPLEX? AND ALL THE PEOPLE THAT I TALKED TO, THEY SAID THAT THEY DID NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. THEY WOULD RATHER SEE IT STAYING CONSISTENT WITH ALL OF THE HOUSES AND THE HOMES AROUND IT, AS OPPOSED TO IT BEING MOVED OVER TO A COMMERCIAL THEY WERE IN. THEY WERE IN UNISON. THEN WHEN I SHOWED THEM THE LAYOUT OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE, THEY EVEN LIKED THAT EVEN MORE. SO THAT IS WHERE WE ARE AT NOW, BECAUSE IF WE'RE NOT ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH TURNING THIS INTO A DUPLEX, THERE'S REALLY NOT MUCH WE CAN DO WITH THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY WHERE IT NOW STANDS AS FAR AS NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE, RETAIL, MULTI-USE, ONE PARKING SPOT PER 300FT■!S. THATS WHERE WE ARE AT. THANK YOU, MR. CLARK. IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? PLEASE VOTE. OH, WE NEED TO DO THE ROLL CALL. YES, YES, YES. ALL RIGHT. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN. IF ANYBODY IS HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST, PLEASE TAKE THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. HI, MY NAME IS LOIS VARENKAMP AND I LIVE AT 403 EAST CENTER

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THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED. DOES THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY. DISCUSSION OR. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I HAVE A DISCUSSION. THE STAFF HAD PRESENTED EARLIER THAT THE. THE LEGALITY, THOSE PARTICULAR ISSUES AS FAR AS RESOLVING THAT AND MAKING IT WHERE THE LEGAL ASPECT OF THIS PARTICULAR REQUEST CAN GO FORWARD. HOW DOES THAT MOVE FORWARD? GOOD QUESTION. YOU WOULD NEED TO SEEK A LEGAL OPINION FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY ON THEIR INTERPRETATION OF THE REQUEST THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT, AGAIN, WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING IS WHAT IS OUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION ON IT. BUT THE CITY'S LEGAL ATTORNEY WOULD CAN PROVIDE A LEGAL OPINION. IF THERE ARE STILL QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS APPLICATION, WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE TO REQUEST THAT AND TABLE THIS MOTION UNTIL WE HAVE THAT ANSWER? ALL RIGHT. IN A SHAKING OF THE HEAD. SO YES. I JUST HAVE A COMMENT IF, IF WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT. I JUST WANT TO GO ON THE RECORD TO SAY, I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE PARTICULARLY HELPFUL, YOU KNOW, FOR THIS BODY THAT AS WE GET STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, IF THERE'S A LEGAL CONSIDERATION THAT, YOU KNOW, WE SOMEHOW FLAG THAT BEFORE WE GET TO THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO IF WE NEED TO HAVE THAT IN OUR WORK SESSION AND HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT WORK SESSION TO PROPERLY OBTAIN THAT LEGAL ADVICE SO WE COULD BE ABLE TO ADEQUATELY DISPENSE THE MOTION OUT HERE TODAY AS OPPOSED TO GETTING HERE, HAVING STAFF MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WOULD OTHERWISE SUGGEST THAT OUR ACTION WOULD BE VIOLATIVE OF A

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[5.E. Case #2025-00016: Request of Omar Martinez, Applicant, for a Specific Use Permit to allow for the use of “Auto Dealership, Used Only” on Lot 9, Block 2 of Woodhaven Addition, an addition to the City of Duncanville more commonly known as, 510 E. Red Bird Lane, City of Duncanville, Dallas County, Texas.]

YOU CAN SEE ALL THE PROPERTIES ALONG RED BIRD LANE ARE ZONED COMMERCIAL. AND THESE PROPERTY AND THIS PROPERTY DOES BACK UP TO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTH. THIS IS AN EXISTING VACANT PROPERTY ALONG EAST RED BIRD LANE. AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE AERIAL MAP. I UNDERSTAND THAT IS A LITTLE BIT CHALLENGING ON THE GRAPHIC TO SEE HERE, BUT THE APPLICANT IS FOCUSED ON CONSTRUCTING APPROXIMATELY A 400 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE BUILDING ON THE PROPERTY AND PAVING MOST OF THE PROPERTY FOR THE SALE OF USED VEHICLES ON THE PROPERTY. AGAIN, WE ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT THIS EVENING ON WHETHER OR NOT TO PERMIT THE USE ON THE PROPERTY.

WE DID MAIL OUT 16 MAILINGS. WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY IN IN RESPONSE, IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION OF THE APPLICATION. STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS. AGAIN, WE FIND THAT THE APPLICATION IN FRONT OF YOU FOR AN AUTO DEALERSHIP USE CAN BE ALLOWED ON THE SITE, BUT AGAIN, IT DOES NEED TO GO THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE. IT DOES STILL NEED TO BE REVIEWED FOR SITE CIVIL DESIGN. IT DOES STILL NEED TO BE REVIEWED FOR SCREENING AND BUFFERING TO ADJACENT PROPERTIES AS WELL. SO WE ARE MAKING THE APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDE THAT AND GO THROUGH THE ACTUAL PERMITTING PROCESS FOR THE PROPERTY. WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED A FULL SITE PLAN TO DATE THAT THAT TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION ALL THOSE ELEMENTS, AND THEN THE APPLICANT DOES NEED TO MEET ALL BUILDING AND FIRE CODES AS AUTHORIZED BY THE CITY OF DUNCANVILLE ORDINANCES. WITH THAT, I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS. JUST TO CONFIRM, WILL THE APPLICANT HAVE TO SUBMIT A SITE PLAN BEFORE THIS MOVES TO COUNCIL? THEY ARE NOT REQUIRED TO DO THAT AGAIN. YOURS. YOU WERE FOCUSED ON THE USE OF THE PROPERTY. I KNOW MY FOCUS. I'M ASKING, WILL THEY HAVE TO SUBMIT A SITE PLAN BEFORE THEY GO TO COUNCIL? NOT NOT PRIOR TO. OKAY. THANK YOU. DOES THE APPLICANT WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS OMAR MARTINEZ. I'M THE ONE THAT FILED AND I'M HERE MORE THAN ANYTHING.

REPRESENTING MY FATHER'S BEEN WHAT? REALLY? OUR FAMILY BUSINESS. AND MORE THAN REALLY.

I MEAN, WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE WE'RE WILLING TO MODIFY ANYTHING. I MEAN, BY THE WAY, WE

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CURRENTLY ZONED IS COMMERCIAL. ALL RIGHT. AT THIS TIME WE CAN OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO MOVED. A VOTE FOR. YES. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN. IS THERE ANYONE PRESENT WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE, I WILL ACCEPT A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. SECOND. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. DOES THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION WITH ENTERTAIN A MOTION AT THIS TIME? I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THIS REQUEST. I, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SECOND IF THE MOVEMENT WOULD BE WILLING TO ENTERTAIN A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO HER MOTION WITH THE WITH WITH THE MOVEMENT, BE WILLING TO ENTERTAIN A TEN YEAR PERIOD. FOR THE MOTION. AND THEN WITHIN TEN YEARS, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT CAN COME BACK IN AND TALK ABOUT HOW THAT AREA IS PERFORMING. AND I THINK MY MOTION IS IN KEEPING WITH OTHER SIMILAR MOTIONS WE'VE MADE IN THE SAME BLOCK FACE. IF I'M NOTHING ELSE, I TRY TO BE CONSISTENT. AND SO I THINK THAT THIS WOULD BE IN KEEPING WITH MAKING SURE THEY'RE GOOD NEIGHBORS TO THEIR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH OF THEM. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE WITH A TEN YEAR PERIOD. AND THERE WAS A SECOND. YES YES, YES. UNANIMOUS

[5.F. Public hearing to hear public concerns pertaining to Moore Supply located on Crestview, Block C LT 20R ACS 0.9677, 3A, more commonly known as 626 Crestside Drive, City of Duncanville, Dallas County, Texas. ]

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AGAIN, WE'RE NOT SEEKING AN OPPOSITION. WE'RE NOT SEEKING AGAINST ON THIS ONE. WE'RE HERE TO REALLY JUST HEAR CONCERNS THAT MAY THAT MAY BE OF THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNER AND THEIR OPERATION OF THEIR BUSINESS ON THE PROPERTY AT THE REQUEST OF THE CITY COUNCIL. INFORMATION THAT IS THAT IS RECEIVED THIS EVENING WILL BE BROUGHT BACK FORWARD TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION OF WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS A NEED OR REQUEST TO REOPEN THE SCP THAT IS CURRENTLY ON THE PROPERTY. TO ADD ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS TO THE SCP FOR MORE SUPPLY. WITH THAT, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE FROM THE COMMISSION? YES, MA'AM. YES. SO I NOTICED ON ON THE PAGE THAT HAS ALL OF THE WHERE THE NOTICES WERE SENT, THERE'S ONLY ONE THAT WAS ACTUALLY. THE MAILING ADDRESS WAS 615 CREST DRIVE. THAT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT WAS ACTUALLY IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I'M WONDERING IF THE OTHER RESIDENTS WERE ABLE TO BE NOTIFIED, EVEN IF THEY WEREN'T THE PROPERTY OWNER. I BELIEVE THIS WAS FOR THE PROPERTY OWNERS. CAN YOU STATE THAT AGAIN? IF YOU LOOK AT THE BACK OF THE PAGE THAT HAS THE MAILING ADDRESS, MAILING CITY, MAILING, ZIP MAILING STATE, I'M ASSUMING THAT'S WHERE THE NOTICES WERE MAILED TO. AND THERE IS ONLY ONE THAT IS ON CREST SIDE DRIVE. SEE WHAT I'M REFERRING TO? I'M LOOKING AT THE YES, I'M LOOKING IN YOUR PACKET. THERE ARE ABOUT 15 OR 20 NAMES. THERE'S MULTIPLE PROPERTIES ON CREST SIDE DRIVE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE MAILING LIST. SEEING THIS, THERE'S ALSO A MAP WITHIN YOUR PACKET THAT SHOWS ALL THE PROPERTIES THAT WERE NOTIFIED. THAT'S REGARDING THE ACTUAL PROPERTY, BUT WHERE THEY WERE MAILED TO IS ALL OF THESE. YEAH, THEY WERE ONLY ON THE NEXT PAGE FROM THE ONE YOU'RE LOOKING AT. YES, THERE'S YES MA'AM. THERE'S ONLY ONE. THERE'S ONLY 1 OR 2 THAT ARE CREST SIDE DRIVE. WE SENT IT TO THE ADDRESS FOR THAT IS THE PHYSICAL PROPERTY ADDRESS. THEY MAY HAVE ADDITIONAL THEY MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT MAILING NAME. BUT WE DID SEND IT OUT TO THE PROPERTY ADDRESS THAT'S ON FILE. OKAY. FOR THE PROPERTY I SEE I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THAT THERE ARE A BUNCH OF THEM THAT HAVE OTHER MAILING ADDRESSES. BUT WHEN WE SENT IT OUT, THEY WERE NO, THEY WERE MAILED OUT TO THE PHYSICAL PROPERTIES. OKAY. THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE ACTUAL RESIDENTS WERE THE ONES THAT GOT THE NOTICE. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION. SO HOW LONG IS THE SCP GRANTED FOR THERE? I DO NOT BELIEVE THERE WAS A TIME LIMIT PUT ON THAT SCP WERE WHAT WERE THE CONDITIONS OF THE PREVIOUS SUP? WHEN WAS THAT SUP PASSED? I'M LOOKING RIGHT NOW. I DO NOT SEE ANY SPECIFIC

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THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING. THANK YOU. WITH THE APPLICANT LIKE TO GIVE A PRESENTATION OR IS THAT GOING TO BE PRESENTED. THEY CAN IF YOU'D LIKE. THEY CAN EITHER SPEAK DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING.

OH OKAY. ALL RIGHT. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO MOVED. STEPHANIE.

SECONDED. OH. SHE SECOND. OH, OKAY. OKAY. BUT MR. SALAZAR. YES YES YES YES. ALL RIGHT. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN. IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS FOR OR AGAINST. I MEAN, THIS ISN'T WE'RE NOT HEARING A CASE THAT'S GOING TO BE DECIDED ON. BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS REGARDING THIS, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. HELLO, MY NAME IS COREY BUGAY. I'M AT 626 CREST SIDE OPERATOR OF MORE SUPPLY. IN THE PACKET HERE. DID YOU GUYS HAVE THE DESIGNATIONS OF WHO WERE FOR AND WHO WERE AGAINST BY CHANCE? BECAUSE I PERSONALLY WALKED THE BLOCK AND GOT SIGNATURES FROM EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE PEOPLE IN THE AREA THAT WERE ALL FOR IT. IS THAT PART OF THE PACKET NOT SPEAKING FOR THE CHAIR, BUT OUR OUR PACKET CONSISTS OF WHO WAS IN THE NOTICE AREA AND WHERE THOSE NOTICES WENT. GOTCHA. I DON'T THINK THAT WE ARE INTELLIGENT TO THE NATURE OF THE OPPOSITION OR COMPLAINTS OR CONCERN, OR HOW THAT LAYS OUT WITH WHO YOUR NEIGHBORS ARE IN AND AROUND YOU. WE'RE KIND OF HEARING THIS FOR THE FIRST. UNDERSTOOD. SO MY UNDERSTANDING OF THIS FROM JEREMY KUNTZ, WHO'S THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER FOR OUR DISTRICT, WAS THAT THERE WAS ONE INDIVIDUAL HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET FROM US THAT WAS LODGING COMPLAINTS DUE TO IDLING TRUCKS OVERNIGHT ON THE STREET. WE DO NOT OPERATE OVERNIGHT. WE'RE ONLY OPEN FROM 7 TO 5 MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY. SO ANY OF THE DISTURBANCES FROM A TRUCK TRAFFIC STANDPOINT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN US. WE'VE ADHERED TO THE SCP THAT WAS PRESENTED BY THIS BOARD AND THE CITY COUNCIL, AND WENT THROUGH THIS PHASE WITH YOU GUYS. IN THE PAST, WE'VE BEEN GOOD NEIGHBORS TO THE AREA. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE WERE TALKING EARLIER ABOUT LOOKING FOR HOW WE GO FORWARD IN DUNCANVILLE OF INFILLING BUILDINGS, ATTRACTING AND FOSTERING BUSINESS, WE PRODUCE ABOUT $18 MILLION OF TAX REVENUE FOR THE CITY A YEAR, AND ON TOP OF THAT IS HOLDING FEES. AND FOR ACTUAL INVENTORY WITHIN THE BUILDING THAT WE PAY TO THE CITY AS WELL, AND THEN ALSO PROPERTY VALUES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. WE JUST BUILT THAT BUILDING, WHICH WAS ROUGHLY $3.5 MILLION OF IMPROVEMENT TO THE CITY. WE WERE ALSO SUPPORTED BY THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BOARD, WHICH SUPPORTED THIS AND HELPED FUND OUR BUILDING OF THIS ESTABLISHMENT. THE ONE HOUSE THAT I'M AWARE OF THAT HAS COMPLAINED ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST, HASN'T PROVIDED ANY EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THIS CASE. SO IN MY MIND, INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING WRONG. AND TO FURTHER THAT POINT, THE PERSON THAT HAD THAT HOUSE HAD NOT LIVED THERE FOR SOME TIME. THEY ADMITTED THAT TO ME THEMSELVES, AND THEY'VE SINCE PUT THAT HOUSE ON THE MARKET AND IT IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONTRACT. SO THEY ARE NOT EVEN LIVING THERE. THEY'RE LIVING IN ARLINGTON. AND I DID WALK THE BLOCK OF WHATEVER THE PROPOSED AREAS WERE, WHERE ALL OF THE MAILERS WENT OUT AND PROVIDED THAT. BACK TO DOCTOR JONES, THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PLANNING, WITH ALL POSITIVE COMMENTS ABOUT HOW WE'VE BEEN GOOD NEIGHBORS AND SUPPORTIVE OF THE ENVIRONMENT. GO AHEAD. YOU WERE MENTIONING THE PERSON THAT

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THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, THE TRUCK TRAFFIC, OVERNIGHT IDLING, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, WHICH WE DON'T OPERATE OVERNIGHT. SO I'M NOT SURE WHO THAT WAS. MY RECOMMENDATION TO THAT NEIGHBOR AT THE TIME WAS, IF SOMEBODY'S SITTING OUT ON THE STREET, CALL THE POLICE. THAT'S A CIVIL MATTER THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH OUR BUSINESS BECAUSE WE DON'T OPERATE OVERNIGHT. I HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THE CITY STREETS. THEY HAD CONCERN THAT THEY WANTED THE CITY TO MAKE CURBS ALONG THAT STREET PATH, TO MAKE IT SAFER FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THEN POTENTIALLY SIGNS SAYING NO OVERNIGHT PARKING. BUT IN MY OPINION, THOSE DIDN'T APPLY TO MY BUSINESS. SO I DIDN'T HAVE ANY DIRECT RESOLUTION FOR THAT NEIGHBOR. SO WHERE YOUR WAREHOUSE IS, THERE'S NO WHEN THE BUSINESS IS CLOSED, THERE'S NO WAY FOR OTHER TRUCKS TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE BUILDING COMPLETELY GATED AND LOCKED. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION. YES. SO HOW OFTEN ARE YOU ALL GETTING SHIPMENTS TO YOUR WAREHOUSE IN OUR NORMAL BUSINESS HOURS FROM 7 TO 5? YEAH, I WOULD SAY WE PROBABLY GET ABOUT 518 WHEELERS A DAY. 518 WHEELERS A DAY. YEAH. OKAY. AND WE HAVE A DESIGNATED 18 WHEELER UNLOADING DOCK THAT THEY ALL LEAVE THE MAIN STREET AND COME ONTO OUR PROPERTY FOR UNLOADING. OKAY. AND WHERE ARE YOU GETTING ALL OF THIS SUPPLIES FROM LIKE OUT OF STATE. SO WE'RE A PLUMBING WHOLESALER. SO WE BUY FROM MANUFACTURERS ACROSS THE UNITED STATES. RHEEM WATER HEATERS, KOHLER TOILETS. YOU KNOW, ANYTHING THAT YOU NEED TO USE FOR BUILDING A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE FOR COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES? WE THEN BREAK THOSE DOWN INTO SMALLER QUANTITIES, PACKAGE THEM FOR THE PLUMBERS, AND THEN SEND THOSE OUT TO JOBSITES FOR. SO WHENEVER YOU ALL GET YOUR SUPPLIES, ARE YOU WORKING WITH JUST ONE FREIGHT COMPANY, OR ARE YOU GETTING THE TRUCKS FROM THE COMPANIES THAT YOU BUY FROM? SO WE DON'T ACTUALLY SET UP ANY OF THE FREIGHT BROKERING. IT'S WE WILL PLACE A PURCHASE ORDER WITH, SAY, KOHLER OR RHEEM, AND THEN THEY DISPATCH A TRUCK AND I'M NOT SURE, YOU KNOW, EACH INDIVIDUAL INSTANCE, IF IT'S THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL TRUCK OR IF THEY'RE USING A BROKER COMPANY AND YOU'VE NEVER HAD ANY TRUCKS WAITING IDLY FOR YOU GUYS TO OPEN IN ORDER TO DROP OFF A SHIPMENT. NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE. OUR RECEIVING HOURS AREN'T EVEN WITHIN OUR NORMAL BUSINESS HOURS. SO WE OPERATE FROM 7 TO 5, AND THEN OUR ACTUAL RECEIVING HOURS ARE FROM 8 TO 4. OKAY. AND YOU GIVE INSTRUCTIONS TO THEM SAYING THAT THEY CAN'T STAY IDLY OUTSIDE YOUR HOUSE BEFORE OR AFTER YOUR DELIVERY HOURS. I'VE NEVER PERSONALLY GIVEN THAT, AND I'VE NEVER PERSONALLY SEEN IT, SO THERE HASN'T BEEN A NEED. OKAY, SO THERE'S LIKE NO SYSTEM IN PLACE ESSENTIALLY JUST HERE'S WHAT I NEED, GUYS. GIVE IT TO ME DURING THESE HOURS. AND THEY KIND OF JUST GIVE IT TO YOU BETWEEN THOSE HOURS, BUT YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT'S GOING AROUND OR GOING ON AROUND. SAME AS A WALMART OR. RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. BUT THEY HAVE LIKE A HUGE PARKING LOT IN ORDER TO HAVE LIKE IDLING SEMIS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. IF THEY ALLOW THE SEMI TO BE THERE, I WOULD SAY YES. RIGHT? OKAY. NO, JUST JUST ASKING. THANK YOU. YEAH. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS EDNA RODRIGUEZ AND I LIVE ON 615 CRESCENT DRIVE. JUST FOR THE RECORD, I AM THE PERSON WHO LIVES RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM WATER SUPPLY. I HAVE BEEN COMPLAINING MY NEIGHBOR TO THE TO THE RIGHT HAS ACTUALLY SOLD HER HOUSE. SHE LEFT AND WHY NOT? SHE HAS HAD SOME COMPLAINTS AS WELL, BUT MY COMPLAINTS ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FROM HER.

AND IF YOU BEAR WITH ME, I WILL GIVE YOU THE ISSUES IN A VERY SHORT SUMMARY, SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE CONSTRUCTION, WE'VE EXPERIENCED SEVERAL SEVERAL DISTURBANCES FROM LATE NIGHT CONSTRUCTION EARLY IN DATE. SO 24 HOURS THERE WERE I MEAN, IT WAS AN EVERY DAY, BUT IT WAS VERY CONSTANT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY WERE TRYING TO GET THAT BUILDING MOVED UP OR WHATEVER. MY MAIN CONCERN WAS WHEN THEY WERE CONSTRUCTING THE BUILDING, THEY BROKE A PIPE THAT INTERRUPTED MY WATER FOR THREE DAYS. THAT CAUSED ME $3,000 FOR THE WATER TO FOR MY WATER BILL.

UP UNTIL THIS DAY, I'M STILL FIGHTING WITH THE CITY TO GET THAT RESOLVED. THE CITY TOOK NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE INCIDENT BECAUSE THEY'RE SAYING THAT WHATEVER HAPPENED, HAPPENED IN

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THE CITY DID NOT DID NOT APPROVE THE STATEMENT FOR FROM THIS PLUMBING COMPANY. MORE SUPPLY HAS NEVER SPOKEN TO ME ANY TIME OF THIS WHOLE ENTIRE PROCESS. THERE HAS BEEN 18 WHEELERS PARKED IN FRONT OF MY HOME, WHICH IS WHICH IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM. THEY DO WAIT FOR THEM TO OPEN OR TO OR WHENEVER THEY'RE CLOSED. THEY THEY COME IN AND THEY'RE LATE. THEN THEY THEY IDLE. THEY'RE RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY HOME, RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY ROOM. I UNDERSTAND IT'S A CIVIL MATTER, BUT I FIND IT SO SAD THAT HE'S THAT THEY'RE NOT TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE BUSINESS THAT THEY BROUGHT IN. SO WHEN THIS CONSTRUCTION WAS APPROVED, WE WERE NOT TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION. I MEAN, I'M THE ONLY RESIDENT LEFT IN THAT PROPERTY. SO THE WHOLE STREET IS, IS BUSINESSES. THERE'S NO ONE ELSE BUT ME. SO WHAT DO I DO NOW? LIKE, DO I RUN AWAY JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE A MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR COMPANY THAT YOU'RE BASICALLY SAYING THAT YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT MY FAMILY? I MEAN, I'VE BEEN IN THIS HOME FOR 25 YEARS, SO. YEAH, I DO. I'M SORRY AGAIN. I DID NOT CATCH YOUR LAST NAME. I'M SO SORRY. EDNA RODRIGUEZ. RODRIGUEZ. OKAY. I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT I CAUGHT, MISS RODRIGUEZ. MORE SUPPLY HAS BEEN HERE FOR A LITTLE BIT, HASN'T THEY? HAVEN'T THEY? THEY STARTED ABOUT A YEAR AGO. ABOUT A YEAR AGO. OR DID THEY EXPAND? I CAN'T REMEMBER. SO THEY'RE OKAY. SO. SO I THOUGHT IT WAS AN EXTENSION. SO BECAUSE I ALSO WAS ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION. SO I MY, MY RECORD GOES BACK A LITTLE WAYS. I THOUGHT THEY EXTENDED TO A BACK PARCEL. I DON'T HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF THAT. OKAY. BUT WHAT I SAW FOR THOSE 25 YEARS, THERE WAS A BIG EMPTY LOT RIGHT FROM MY HOUSE FOR AS LONG AS AS I'VE BEEN THERE. RIGHT? RIGHT. THERE WAS AN EMPTY LOT THERE. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY EXPANDED.

OKAY. YOU'RE NOT SURE. SO THE LOT WENT FROM EMPTY TO BEING TO BEING TO BEING BUILT. AND SO SINCE THEN, YOU'VE HAD THAT. THIS HAS BEEN YOUR EXPERIENCE. I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE I DON'T I DIDN'T KNOW THEM TO BE A BRAND NEW, NEW NEIGHBOR, I THINK. BUT THEY'RE NEWER NEIGHBOR TO YOU DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF YOU. OKAY, I'M CLEAR NOW. THANK YOU, MISS RODRIGUEZ.

SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, MY COMPLAINT WITH THEM HAS NEVER BEEN ANYTHING ELSE, BUT I WAS DISAPPOINTED IN THE CITY AND THE BUILDING THAT THEY DID NOT HAVE ANY COURTESY TO AT LEAST. TAKE CARE OF THAT WHEN THEY BROKE, WHEN THEIR CONSTRUCTION, AND I BELIEVE IT WAS IN THEM, IT WAS WHOEVER THEY CONTRACTED, THEY BROKE THE PIPE AND THEY LEFT IT ALONE. THEY LEFT UNTIL I CAME HOME AND IT WAS THERE WAS NO WATER. THEN I CALLED THE CITY, AND THE CITY SAYS, WELL, YOU NEED TO GET WITH THEM. AND THEN HOW AM I GOING TO CONTACT THEM? YOU KNOW, IT IS NOT MY FAULT. I AM NOT HERE TO FIGHT WITH THEM. I AM NOT HERE TO FIGHT WITH ANYBODY. I'M NOT LOOKING FOR YOU TO TEAR DOWN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I'M JUST LOOKING FOR A GOOD FAITH FROM THE CITY AND FROM THEM. BE. BE CONSIDERATE, YOU KNOW? YES. YOU CAN CONTACT YOUR VENDORS. YES, YOU CAN LET THEM KNOW. HEY, I OPENED IT THIS TIME AND I CLOSED IT THIS TIME. WE RECOMMEND THAT YOUR TRUCKS DO NOT PASS THROUGH HERE BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE NOBODY THERE. LIKE, LITERALLY THE PARK RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE. AND YOU CAN BARELY PASS THROUGH. SO IF THEY PARK IN THAT STREET, WHETHER IT'S THEIR PROBLEM OR CITY PROBLEM, I DON'T KNOW. BUT IF THE TRUCK PARKS THERE, THEN TWO CARS CANNOT PASS BY. AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, THEY PARK RIGHT BY MY WATER METER AND THEN THE ENGINE IS ON, MY ROOM IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM. AND IS IT FAIR FOR ME TO CALL DUNCANVILLE POLICE FOR THAT, SINCE I ALREADY CALLED THEM FOR OTHER ISSUES THAT WE HAVE IN THE STREET? I MEAN, DUNCANVILLE POLICE IS ALREADY LIKE, THEY'RE LIKE, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE STREET? YOU KNOW, LIKE WE NEVER HAVE ISSUES HERE. BUT THEN NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN WE HAVE ISSUES, YOU KNOW? BUT IT'S SO. I'M SO ANGRY THAT NEITHER THE CITY OR THEM ARE TAKING CONSIDERATION OF THE ONLY RESIDENT THAT'S THERE. YOU KNOW, I DO UNDERSTAND MY NEIGHBOR HAD OTHER ISSUES. I'M NOT HERE TO SPEAK ON HER. I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON ME. THAT'S IT. AND I'M SORRY FOR MY FRUSTRATION, BUT THINGS THAT HE SAID, YOU KNOW, I HAVE NEVER MET THIS MAN. I HAVE NEVER MET ANYBODY THERE. AND IT'S ONLY MY MOTHER, MYSELF AND MY DAUGHTER THERE. SO AS YOU CAN UNDERSTAND, IT'S VERY FRUSTRATING. THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING. ANY QUESTIONS? THANKS. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO HAS A COMMENT? ALL RIGHT. SEEING THAT WE WILL CLOSE THE OKAY. HELLO GUYS. MY NAME IS SONIA

[02:20:11]

NOTHING HAPPENED. NO BREAKS IN THE LINES. SO I JUST WANT TO I'M HERE TO SUPPORT MORE SUPPLIES AND LET YOU GUYS KNOW THAT WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM. AND WE'RE LITERALLY LIKE SO MANY FEETS AWAY. AND YOU HAVE A BUSINESS THERE. YES. OKAY. YES. AT 620 CREDITS ITEM HE HAS, HE'S LEASING THE BUILDING AND I'M THE PROPERTY MANAGER. YES, MA'AM. MADAM CHAIR. BUT MISS HOLBROOK.

YEAH. I'M SORRY, MISS HOLBROOK, I, I WHEN THEY FIRST CAME IN, DID Y'ALL NOT SHARE A DRIVE APPROACH OR SOMETHING ABOUT A FIRE LANE? YES, SIR. YEAH. BECAUSE IT WAS BETWEEN BOTH OF THOSE PROPERTIES. YES. THE INGRESS AND EGRESS WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL WAS WAS AN ISSUE THAT Y'ALL HAD TO WORK OUT WITH THE IMPROVEMENT OF THE CONCRETE, RIGHT? YES, SIR. I MAY BE CRAZY, BUT I'M NOT FORGETFUL. THANK YOU. YES, YES, THAT'S WHY I WAS MENTIONED EARLIER. WE WORKED EVERYTHING OUT. YEAH. OKAY. I HAVE A QUESTION. SO YOU DO NOT ACTUALLY LIVE ON THAT STREET? YOU JUST HAVE A BUSINESS? YES. I'VE BEEN MANAGING THAT PROPERTY FOR 15 YEARS PLUS. AND WHAT ARE THE TIMES THAT Y'ALL ARE AT THAT BUILDING? ME AS A PROPERTY MANAGER? YES. OR HIM AS RUNNING THE BUSINESS? WELL, I'M JUST WONDERING THE TIMES THAT SOMEONE IS ACTUALLY THERE WHEN MORE IS OPEN OR WHEN THEY'RE CLOSED. ARE Y'ALL EVER THERE? WHEN THEY'RE CLOSED, THEY GO AHEAD. GOOD EVENING. HOW Y'ALL DOING TODAY? MY NAME IS ADRIAN JACKSON. I'M THE TENANT AT 620 CREST DRIVE.

AND CAN I LIFT THIS UP? MY BACK WAS HURTING. WE'RE THERE. MY ESTABLISHMENT IS ACTUALLY 24 HOURS, BUT WE DON'T OPERATE 24 HOURS. BUT THE PUBLIC HAS 24 HOUR ACCESS. IF YOU WERE TO SAY YOU WORKED THIRD SHIFT AND YOU WANT TO GET A TATTOO OR A PIERCING OR SOMETHING, THEN YOU CAN BOOK WITH AN ARTIST WHO YOU'LL HAVE ACCESS TO THE BUILDING TO GET THAT SERVICE.

WE'VE BEEN THERE, USUALLY PRETTY MUCH THE WHOLE TIME THEY THERE, WE THERE. AND IT'S A LOT OF COMPLAINING, BUT CAN I DON'T KNOW HOW I SUPPOSED TO TALK WITH HER. CAN I JUST STOP THE PERSON THAT'S DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM ME IS THE ONE WHO HAS BEEN SINCE I'VE BEEN THERE, GOING ON FOUR YEARS. IT'S BEEN NONSTOP. THAT AND IT WAS ALSO WHEN I FIRST MOVED IN. SHE WOULD I WAS A FRIENDLY NEIGHBOR AND IT WAS, HEY, LET ME TELL YOU HOW I DID THE PERSON BEFORE YOU. SO IT'S A HISTORY THERE WITH THE PERSON, NOT THE YOUNG LADY WHO WAS SPEAKING. SO I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT, BUT THE ONE WHO MADE THE COMPLAINT, THAT'S WHAT IT IS CONSISTENTLY NONSTOP. AND THAT'S WHY I CAME HERE TODAY, BECAUSE IT WAS LIKE, OKAY, WELL, IT'S KIND OF LIKE SOME BULLYING. AND NOW I SEE SOMEBODY ELSE AND HE DOESN'T GIVE ANYBODY NO PROBLEMS. WE ARE LITERALLY TWO INCHES FROM EACH OTHER. IF I TAKE A STEP TO THE LEFT, I'M ON HIS PROPERTY AND IT'S REAL POLITE, IT'S RESPECTFUL, IT'S NOT NOTHING BAD OR I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY WHAT SHE WAS SPEAKING ON. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE WATER SITUATION, BUT THAT'S DIFFERENT. BUT I'M JUST HERE TO SPEAK AND SAY THAT WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THEM AT MOORE'S, AND WE'RE IN SUPPORT OF IT. I HAVE A QUESTION. SO WHAT ARE THE COMPLAINTS THAT YOU'RE RECEIVING FROM THE PERSON IN FRONT OF YOU? THE PERSON IN FRONT OF ME WOULD SAYING. THE POLICE TO MY PROPERTY AND SAY THAT THERE WERE PEOPLE PARKED IN MY HANDICAP WITHOUT A HANDICAP STICKER, OKAY. AND THEN THEY WOULD COME AND THEN I WOULD SAY IT'S OKAY. THEN THEY WOULD LEAVE, AND THEN THEY WOULD COME BACK AND SAY, HEY, SHE CALLED AGAIN. THEN I WOULD SAY, DO Y'ALL GOT TO COME OUT EVERY SINGLE TIME SHE CALLED

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BECAUSE EVEN SINCE I'VE BEEN THERE, THERE'S ONLY BEEN THREE HOUSES AND ONLY TWO OF THEM HAVE BEEN OCCUPIED. IF THAT GIVES IT ANY KIND OF LIGHT AT ALL. SO THE ONLY TWO RESIDENCES ON THE STREET ARE THE ONLY PEOPLE COMPLAINING, AND THEY'RE AT YOUTUBE. THE NEIGHBORS, THEY'RE GOING TO SAY THEY HAD YOUTUBE BECAUSE MY I DIDN'T THEY DIDN'T CALL ME TO COME HERE. HE ASKED, HE JUST GOT A PAPER SIGN. WHEN HE TOLD ME WHAT WAS GOING ON, I HAD A LETTER. SO SHE SAID THAT WE SHOULD COME UP HERE AND I WANT TO SAY MY PIECE SINCE I'M A PART OF THE COMMUNITY, OKAY. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHO I'LL GET COMPLAINED ABOUT. BUT ACROSS THE STREET THERE'S ONLY TWO HOUSES AND ONE. THE LADY WHO'S COMPLAINING HASN'T LIVED THERE IN A YEAR, AND SHE MADE US, SHE TOLD. SHE SAID THAT SHE JUST WANTED TO KEEP THIS GOING EVEN THOUGH SHE DOESN'T LIVE THERE.

IF THAT SHED ANY LIGHT ON EVERYTHING, I'M JUST. OKAY. THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION.

YES, MA'AM. HAVE YOU EVER WITNESSED ANY SEMI TRUCKS PARKING ON THE BLOCK? PARKING ON THE BLOCK WHERE SHE LIVES? MAYBE NOT IN FRONT OF HER HOUSE, BUT IN THAT AREA. THE STREET IS A NARROW STREET. AND WHEN YOU COME FROM EITHER END, IF I'M BEING HONEST, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A SEMI TRUCK. IF THERE IS A ANY CAR, IT COULD BE A SLUG BUG BEETLE PARKED RIGHT THERE. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ENOUGH ROOM FOR TWO PEOPLE TO DO THAT REGARDLESS. SO IN HIS DEFENSE, THE WAY HIS BUILDING SITS, HIS DRIVEWAY AND HER DRIVEWAY IS KIND OF LIKE THIS. SO EVEN IF THAT TRUCK DOES NOT SIT ON THE SIDE, IF THEY'RE JUST COMING, SOMEONE'S GOING TO HAVE TO WAIT.

WHEN I'M COMING DOWN THE STREET, I HAVE TO KIND OF SCOOT OVER TO LET SOMEONE PASS, WHICH I DON'T MIND DOING. IT'S NOT A PROBLEM, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? BUT THAT'S JUST THE WAY THAT THAT STREET IS. SO I DON'T THINK IT'S I'M NOT. AGAIN, I'M NOT HERE TO SPEAK ON HERS, BUT IT'S THE STREET IS BUILT THAT WAY. IT'S KIND OF VERY NARROW. OKAY. THANK YOU. VERY GOOD. ALSO, A ROOFING COMPANY THAT HAULS SUPPLIES AS WELL. THAT'S KIND OF ADJACENT TO MORE SUPPLIES. SO THEY HAVE 18 WHEELER FLATBEDS GOING UP AND DOWN THE STREET AS WELL. AND I ALSO WANT TO ADDRESS WE DID THE OWNER DID GET A 518 NORTH BRITTON ROAD. WE RECEIVED THE PAPERWORK AND I KNOW YOU WERE QUESTIONING ABOUT THAT. SO WE DID ACTUALLY RECEIVE THAT INFORMATION OKAY. FURTHER. OKAY.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS. THEN I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. SECOND. YES. OH, SORRY. YES. SO THERE'S NOTHING FOR US TO DELIBERATE OR. MARK, JUST CONFIRM A COUPLE OF THINGS HERE IN DIRECTION. OKAY. THANK YOU. BRENNAN. GOOD EVENING.

PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEMBERS. MARK RAUSCHER, CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. BASICALLY TONIGHT, THE PURPOSE WAS TO ESSENTIALLY HOST A PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH WHICH YOU ALL HAVE DONE JUST SO THAT WE COULD GET ON THE ON THE RECORD. YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT

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OF COURSE, IT'S ACROSS THE STREET FROM, YOU KNOW, THE HOMEOWNERS. I'M JUST TALKING GENERALLY. RIGHT. SURE. SO WOULD THAT JUST BE ONE OF US ASKING THAT QUESTION OF STAFF THAT WE HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING ON A PARTICULAR SUP. YES YOU CAN. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, I JUST

[6.A. Request of Centro Familiar Cristiano De Dallas, Owner and Applicant, for approval of a preliminary plat. Lots 7A, 7B, and 7C, Block 5/6948 Centro Familiar Cristiano Addition, more commonly known as 718 Cavan Street, City of Duncanville, Dallas County, Texas]

SIX A DOES STAFF HAVE A PRESENTATION? ALL RIGHT. WELL, THAT CONCLUDES ALL THE PUBLIC HEARINGS. ALL RIGHT. HOPEFULLY WE CAN MOVE THROUGH THIS PRETTY QUICK FIRST PLAT FOR YOU THIS EVENING IS LOCATED AT 718 CAVEN ROAD. THE PRELIMINARY PLAT, THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS FOR LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. THE CURRENT ZONING DISTRICT IS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL OR SF TEN. ON YOUR SCREEN IS THE MINIMUM LOT REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR SF TEN DISTRICT. THE PROPERTY THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE IS THE PROPERTY THAT'S IN QUESTION. FOR CONSIDERATION OF A PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION PLAT, IT IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. THE APPLICANT IS LOOKING TO CREATE THREE LOTS. SO IT DOES TRIGGER THE PRELIMINARY PLAT PROCESS. IT IS CURRENTLY VACANT AND IS OWNED BY THE CHURCH THAT IS LOCATED TO THE EAST OF THE PROPERTY. THEY ARE LOOKING TO CREATE THREE RESIDENTIAL LOTS, AS YOU CAN SEE ON YOUR MAP HERE FOR CONSIDERATION. WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. IF YOU GO BACK TO THE. YEAH.

THIS AREA IS ALL RESIDENTIAL, CORRECT? YES. OKAY. THE ALL THE SURROUNDING AREA, INCLUDING THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION, IS ALL RESIDENTIAL. THERE ARE SOME PROPERTIES ALONG, AS YOU CAN SEE, ALONG COCKRELL HILL ROAD THAT ARE MORE OF A COMMERCIAL NATURE. BUT THIS PROPERTY SPECIFICALLY IS RESIDENTIAL. AND. THEN REGARDING THIS OR I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. THERE'S NO PUBLIC HEARING. NO. I SECOND OKAY, MOTION IS APPROVED. THERE'S BEEN A MOTION AND A

[02:35:17]

[6.B. Request of Pascal Mike Aghyarian, Applicant, for approval of a replat of Lot 13, and portions of Lot 14 and 15, Block 3 of Woodhaven Addition to Lot 13R, Block 3 of Woodhaven Addition, more commonly known as 214 E. Red Bird Lane, City of Duncanville, Dallas County, Texas.]

OH, YES YES YES. AND LAST LAST REPLIED ON YOUR AGENDA THIS EVENING IS FOR 623 JEFFERSON

[6.C. Request of April Ross with Burns Surveying, Applicant and James and Alfreda Coffey, Owner for approval of a replat of Lots 1 & 2, Block 35 of Irwin Keasler Development, Red Bird Addition, Unit No. 5, Plat Book 19, Page 257 to Lot 1-A, Block 25, Irwin Keasler Development, Red Bird Addition, Unit No. 5 , more commonly known as 623 Jellison Boulevard & 627 Jungle Road, City of Duncanville, Dallas County, Texas. ]

MINIMUM DIMENSIONAL STANDARDS ARE LOCATED ON THE BOTTOM OF THE OF THE PAGE. FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. THE APPLICANT, CURRENTLY SIMILAR TO THE LAST APPLICATION IN FRONT OF YOU, THE. THERE IS TWO SEPARATE PARCELS THAT ARE OUT THERE TO DATE, ONE THAT HAS A HOME ON IT WHICH IS ON THE EAST OR ON THE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. THEY'RE LOOKING TO JOIN THE PROPERTY THAT IS ON THE CORNER OF JUNGLE DRIVE AND JELLISON BOULEVARD INTO ONE HOLISTIC PARCEL OF LAND, AND WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL FOR THE FOR THE REPLAT. QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION. WHAT WAS THE NATURE OF THE REQUEST FOR REPLAT? AGAIN, THEY ARE LOOKING THEY OWN THE PROPERTY, OWNS BOTH PROPERTIES. THEY'RE LOOKING TO JOIN THE PROPERTIES TOGETHER. DO YOU KNOW IF THEY'RE PLANNING TO USE IT FOR BUILDING ANOTHER RESIDENT? I BELIEVE IT'S JUST AN EXPANSION OF THEIR EXISTING PROPERTY ON THE SITE. ORDINANCES ONLY ALLOW ONE RESIDENTIAL UNIT PER PROPERTY. CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT'S THE SIZE OF THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THE SIZE. THAT SIZE IS ABOUT 35,000FT■!S, I BELIEVE. ALMOST PROBABLY ABOUT THREE QUARTERS OF AN ACRE. APPROXIMATE. WOULD YOU GO BACK? SORRY. COULD YOU GO BACK ONE? YEAH. OKAY. OKAY.

THAT'S HELPFUL. THANK YOU. THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO SAY. THANK YOU. I MOVE TO APPROVE. SO MOVED. OKAY. NOW WE WILL GO BACK TO THE. TOPIC OF. GO BACK TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. I'M GOING

[4. Draft Comprehensive Plan Update (Part 2 of 2)]

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OKAY, WELL, WE CAN REALLY WORK THROUGH THIS IN A NUMBER OF WAYS, BUT I KNOW THE COMMISSION HAS HAD THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR A MONTH OR SO NOW, AND, AND I ANTICIPATE THAT YOU'VE REVIEWED IT AND, AND HAVE EITHER QUESTIONS OR CLARIFICATIONS OR, OR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER AS WE MOVE FORWARD. SO HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS AND PROVIDE ANY INSIGHT WE CAN OFFER IN TERMS OF HOW THE PLAN RECOMMENDATIONS CAME TOGETHER. I'M SORRY MATT, WE'RE TRYING TO INCREASE THE VOLUME. CAN YOU HEAR ME BETTER NOW THAT SAME ABOUT THE SAME SAME. OKAY. AWESOME. OKAY. I'M SCARED TO TOUCH ANYTHING. I DON'T WANT TO TOUCH. THERE'S A CONTROL THING RIGHT HERE. YEAH, YEAH, I THINK WHEN I CAME OUT EARLIER. WHEN I PUT IT IN MY.

NO, I DON'T HAVE IT ON TWO. OUT HERE ON MY DESK. I'LL BE RIGHT BACK. OKAY? GOOD. GUYS, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL ASK ANGEL. YOU DON'T HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? I DO HAVE A QUESTION. THERE WERE SEVERAL PEOPLE. THERE WERE SEVERAL PEOPLE AT THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THE FIELDHOUSE WHO HAD COMMENTS. AND I JUST WONDERED IF THOSE HAD BEEN ADDRESSED AND INCORPORATED IN SOME WAY OR ADDRESSED AT ALL. SO WE'VE WE'VE NOT MADE CHANGES BASED ON THOSE COMMENTS. WE HAVE COMPILED THEM AND ARE PREPARED TO DISCUSS THEM WITH CITY COUNCIL. THE, THE, THE PURPOSE OF THAT HEARING WAS FOR, FOR CITY COUNCIL TO END THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION TO TAKE IN FEEDBACK. IT WOULD BE AT, AT YOUR DISCRETION, TO RECOMMEND CHANGES BASED ON THAT, BASED ON THOSE COMMENTS AND THEN AT CITY COUNCIL'S DISCRETION TO INCORPORATE ANY CHANGES IN THE PLAN. BUT BASICALLY THE PURPOSE OF THAT, OF THAT PUBLIC HEARING WAS TO JUST RECEIVE THAT FEEDBACK. SO WE'VE NOT RECEIVED ANY OTHER DIRECTION FROM CITY COUNCIL AT THIS TIME? NO, MADAM CHAIR, AND IF I IF I MAY, ALONG THOSE LINES, I HEARD MANY OF THOSE COMMENTS, AND I THINK SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS, IN MY OPINION, WERE GERMANE TO THE ELEMENTS OF THE PLAN. BUT I KNOW THAT WE HEARD WITHOUT KEEPING A FULL ACCOUNT. I KNOW THAT WE HEARD A LOT OF COMMENTS RELATED TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT WILL THIS PLAN DO TO ENSURE THE EMPLOYABILITY AND THE WORKFORCE AND SOME OF THOSE OTHER THINGS THAT I REALLY DO BELIEVE ARE OUTSIDE OF THE PURVIEW AND THE CONTEMPLATION OF THIS PLAN. BUT DEFINITELY, I THINK OTHER COMMENTS AROUND THAT ARE REALLY WORTHWHILE FOR US TO THINK ABOUT, I THINK AS A COMMUNITY. BUT. MR. HORN DID NOT SAY THIS, BUT MANY OF THE COMMENTS RELATED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE DOING ABOUT TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE CREATING THE NEXT GENERATION OF PEOPLE WHO CAN AFFORD TO LIVE IN THE CITY. AND I AGREE WITH ALL OF THAT PHILOSOPHICALLY. BUT PRACTICALLY, THIS THIS PLAN IS ABOUT FUTURE LAND USE AND HOW BEST WHAT'S THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR LAND USE. AND I THINK THAT MR. HORN'S PERSUASIVE ARGUMENT ABOUT THE AFFORDABILITY AND WHERE INDIVIDUALS WERE FROM AN INCOME PERSPECTIVE FURTHER DROVE THAT DISCUSSION, AND I THINK THOSE ARE WORTHWHILE AND VERY TRUE CONSIDERATIONS. BUT I'M NOT REAL SURE HOW MANY OF THOSE COMMENTS WE HEARD AS IT RELATED TO THOSE ITEMS COULD BE ADEQUATELY AND OR APPROPRIATELY ACCOUNTED FOR WITHIN THE 2024, WITHIN THE 2040 COMP PLAN. THAT THAT WAS JUST MY REACTION TO, I THINK A LOT OF WHAT I HEARD THAT EVENING AT THE COMMUNITY

[02:45:02]

[02:50:01]

YEAH, I THINK THAT WAS REALLY IT WAS A CHARGE WE I THINK AT THE, AT THE NEAR THE VERY END OF THE PLANNING PROCESS, AS THE STEERING COMMITTEE WAS KIND OF REFINING ITS RECOMMENDATIONS, YOUR, YOUR PNC REPRESENTATIVE ACTUALLY RAISED THAT PRETTY STRONGLY AND HAD US TITAN TITAN LANGUAGE AROUND THAT, TO BE SURE THAT I MEAN, YOU ALL KNOW THIS, BUT BUT MAYBE THERE'S FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WHO DON'T, YOU KNOW, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS THE BEGINNING OF THE IS THE BEGINNING OF THE LAND USE RECONCILIATION PROCESS OR THE REVISIONS TO LAND USE REGULATIONS. SO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TALKS IN VERY BROAD TERMS ABOUT HOW HOW THE COMMUNITY, HOW THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM SHOULD ROLL OUT MOVING FORWARD, HOW LAND USE REGULATION SHOULD ROLL OUT MOVING FORWARD. WE TAKE THIS FUTURE LAND USE MAP THAT'S IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND WE TURN IT OVER TO A. A SIMILAR COMMITTEE TO ENGAGE IN, IN ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT REGULATION UPDATE. AND THAT'S A RECOMMENDATION IN THE PLAN THAT THAT SHOWS UP IN MULTIPLE PLACES. AND IT IT CHALLENGES THE LEADERSHIP IN THE, IN THE CITY TO LOOK AT THE LOOK AT THE HIGHER LEVEL RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE PLAN, THE PLANNING PRINCIPLES, THE VISION, LOOK AT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, AND THEN LOOK AT THE DISPARITY BETWEEN WHAT THAT FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND WHAT THAT VISION SAYS AND WHAT THE CURRENT ZONING SAYS. AND, YOU KNOW, I ENJOYED LISTENING TO A COUPLE OF THE CASES TONIGHT WHERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S CLEAR DISPARITY THERE, WHERE HERE'S HERE'S WHAT THE LAND USE REGULATION SAYS TODAY.

AND HERE'S WHAT THE VISION, YOU KNOW, AS STATED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS. AND SO THAT'S ANOTHER VERY COMPLEX, ACTUALLY MORE COMPLEX AND MORE DETAILED PLANNING PROCESS THAT THAT HAS TO COME OUT OF THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO WE'RE ENCOURAGING THE BY VIRTUE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE PLAN, WE'RE ENCOURAGING THE CITY TO INVEST IN WHAT EFFECTIVELY AMOUNTS TO A TOTAL OVERHAUL OF THE ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS TO PROVIDE CLARITY.

THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. AND SOMETHING THAT'S READABLE AND UNDERSTANDABLE TO ALL LEVELS OF INVESTORS. AND THEN TO BE PRODUCTIVE IN THAT IT IT GENERATES THE TYPE OF PRODUCT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. SO YES, I THINK THAT'S A CRITICAL NEXT STEP AND ONE THAT WE'VE ENCOURAGED THE CITY TO INVEST IN. AND I WANT TO SAY REALLY TO TAG ON THAT BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S FOR ME IS, IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT FOR THAT PLAN IS BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS BEEN IMPRESSED TO ME IS THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD CAN IS ONLY REALLY JUST APPROVING THINGS BASED ON WHAT THE LAWS AND THINGS ARE OUT THERE. AND WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE COME AND THEY'RE LOOKING FOR SOME CHANGES, AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAYS ONE

[02:55:04]

AND, YOU KNOW, LIKE MAIN STREET, YOU KNOW, GOING THROUGH CEDAR RIDGE. IS THAT WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING? YES. IN THE FUTURE, IN THE FUTURE LAND USE SECTION, THERE'S A. A SERIES OF

[03:00:12]

[03:05:03]

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. HORN. SO WE ARE NOW ADJOURNING. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.

NOTHING ELSE ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING. OKA

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.