[CALL TO ORDER]
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GOOD EVENING TO EVERYONE. THANKS FOR COMING. THOSE OF YOU THAT CAME AND DIDN'T HAVE TO. SO THIS IS THE REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING OF THE 2025 BOND COMMITTEE HERE IN CITY COUNCIL BRIEFING ROOM.
AND THE TIME IS 630, GIVE OR TAKE, AND WE WILL OPEN THIS MEETING TO ALL. THIS IS AN OPEN MEETING CONDUCTED IN PERSON AND VIRTUALLY TO SUBMIT A COMMENT VIA EMAIL. THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION IS REQUIRED. SUBMIT A COMMENT BY 4 P.M. ON MONDAY, APRIL 7TH, 2025. EMAIL THE APPROPRIATE PERSON. EMAIL TITLE. PUBLIC COMMENT 2025 BOND COMMITTEE. MAY 7TH, 2025 BY FIRST NAME, LAST NAME AND ADDRESS. SO. MR. CITY MANAGER, DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? NO, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY. ALL RIGHT. SO THEN WE WILL CONTINUE. THIS IS THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA. RECEIVE PUBLIC COMMENTS. IS THERE ANYONE PRESENT WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT CONCERNING THE BUSINESS OF THIS COMMITTEE? A COMMENT THAT IS NOT PART OF THE AGENDA.
[B. Tour of Police Station]
SO WITH THAT, THE NEXT THING THAT'S SCHEDULED ON THE AGENDA IS TOUR OF POLICE STATION. AND I'M SORRY, DISCUSSION ON FINANCE. TURN IT OVER TO CITY. SURE. AND MR. CHAIRMAN, IT'S REALLY UP TO YOU IF YOU'D PREFER TO DO THE TOUR FIRST AND THEN COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT SOME OF THESE ITEMS OR THINGS IN GENERAL. OR IF YOU WANT TO DO THIS, IT'S REALLY YOUR PREROGATIVE, WHICHEVER WAY YOU'D LIKE TO DO IT. YOU WERE READING MY MIND. THAT'S WHY I SAID, LET'S DO THE TOUR. THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. ALRIGHT, SO THEN WE CAN PAUSE AND THEY STILL VOLUNTEER. THEY LIVE HERE. SO THEY. SORRY. ALL RIGHT. WE WILL RECONVENE AT 758. OUR TOUR IS COMPLETE. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE LOCATIONS. YES, SIR. SO WE HAVE.[A. Discussion on Finance]
WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU ALL FOR TAKING THE TIME TO WALK THROUGH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WITH US. I KNOW THE CHIEF APPRECIATES YOU KIND OF GOING THROUGH. I'M GOING TO PASS THOSE DOWN FOR EVERYBODY TO TAKE ONE AND PASS THOSE DOWN. DO YOU MIND SITTING AT THE TABLE JUST SO WE CAN BOTH TALK? SO THE CHIEF AND I HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING NOW FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS, YOU KNOW, SOME DIFFERENT IDEAS, SOME DIFFERENT POSSIBILITIES ABOUT WHAT IMPROVEMENTS ARE REALLY NEEDED.YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, I THINK YOU SAW THAT BUILDING IS SPACE CHALLENGED. AND WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT POTENTIALLY A NEW BUILDING. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT NEW BUILDING, YOU TALK ABOUT, OKAY, WHERE WOULD YOU BUILD IT OR WHAT COULD BE DONE. AND SO WE'VE DONE SOME ANALYSIS. WE'VE TALKED WITH DIFFERENT WE TALKED WITH AN ARCHITECT COMPANY KIND OF WORK WITH SOME IDEAS. WE'VE KIND OF TOYED WITH THE IDEA OF WHAT PRICE WOULD BE FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND WE'RE KIND OF BASING IT ON GOING BACK TO OUR PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS. THIS CONCEPT OF A $25 MILLION BOND. WE TALKED LAST MEETING ABOUT THE SERVICE CENTER, GIVE OR TAKE 10 MILLION. AND WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE POLICE STATION, GIVE OR TAKE 10 MILLION, GIVE OR TAKE 10 MILLION. WE COULD BUILD ESSENTIALLY ABOUT A 20 ZERO ZERO ZERO SQUARE FOOT NEW BUILDING, STEEL FRAME CONSTRUCTION BUILDING THAT COULD BE FINISHED OFF. SO THEN YOU START LOOKING AT, OKAY, WHERE COULD A 20 ZERO ZERO ZERO SQUARE FOOT BUILDING GO? DO YOU LOOK AT A NEW LOCATION? COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. AND CHIEF, THIS IS WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LOT ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF BEING SOMEWHERE ELSE AS OPPOSED TO RIGHT HERE, BUT FOR IT, THE IT DIRECTORS HERE, IT REASONS CONTINUITY OF OPERATION REASONS, A LOT OF REASONS WE KEPT COMING BACK TO THAT WOULD MAKE A LOT OF SENSE FOR IT TO BE HERE. ABSOLUTELY.
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SO OUR POLICE DISTRICT, SO WE HAVE FOUR DISTRICTS THAT OUR OFFICERS ARE ASSIGNED TO. AND IT'S NORTHWEST, NORTHEAST, SOUTHEAST, SOUTHWEST OR 111 112 113, 114. THEY ALL INTERSECT AT WHEATLAND AND MAIN. SO WE ARE LITERALLY AT THE CENTER OF OUR DISTRICTS. SO WHAT WE'VE JUST PASSED OUT TO YOU IS JUST, AGAIN, THESE ARE JUST RENDERINGS. THIS IS JUST FOR CONCEPT LEVEL, JUST TO GIVE SOME IDEAS ON WHAT SOMETHING MIGHT LOOK LIKE. SO THE FIRST PAGE IS JUST THE LOGO. WHEN YOU FLIP OPEN THAT UP YOU CAN SEE WHAT A NEW POLICE BUILDING GOING OUT TOWARDS WHEATLAND. THERE'S A SPOT WHERE IT COULD FIT IN BETWEEN CITY HALL AND THE EXISTING POLICE STATION AND CONNECT. AND YOU SEE WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE GOING OUT TOWARDS WHEATLAND. AND THAT'S IDENTIFIED AS OPTION A. THE THIRD PAGE. AND THESE DON'T HAVE PAGE NUMBERS, BUT YOU CAN SEE WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE AS LABELED AS VIEW ONE. IF THAT WERE A THREE STORY BUILDING. AND IF A CONCEPT BLENDING IN SOME OF THE SAME ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS OF THE EXISTING BUILDING, IF YOU FLIP THE PAGE TO THE NEXT, IT SAYS OPTION A TWO, AGAIN, KIND OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE. THIS IS AS A THREE STORY BUILDING GOING IN THERE ABOUT THAT 20,000 SQUARE FOOT SPACE. BUT THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT, OKAY, WHAT OTHER OPTIONS EXIST. AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER OPTION B HERE THAT IS ALSO BEEN IDENTIFIED. AND YOU SEE THAT THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE GOING OUT IN TOWARDS THE PARKING LOT, ADDING THAT NEW 20,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING THERE, GIVE US SOME FLEXIBILITY, WOULD ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO PRESERVE IN OPTION A YOU SEE ON THAT SITE PLAN, IT WOULD TAKE OUT SOME OF THE MATURE TREES THAT ARE BETWEEN THE EXISTING POLICE STATION AND WHEATLAND ROAD. OPTION B PRESERVES MOST OF THOSE WRAPS THE PARKING LOT AROUND TOWARDS THE FRONT A LITTLE BIT. SO THERE WOULD BE PARKING THAT YOU WOULD SEE FROM WHEATLAND. BUT THEN BUILDING THAT NEW BUILDING OUT TOWARDS THE PARKING LOT AND THEN AS YOU AS YOU GO A LITTLE BIT FURTHER INTO THAT, WE'RE SHOWING THAT OPTION B AS A TWO STORY BUILDING AND WHAT THAT MAY LOOK LIKE WITH VIEW ONE AND VIEW TWO, AND THEN VIEW THREE AND VIEW FOUR VIEW FOR BEING OVERALL WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE WITH THE EXISTING CITY HALL. THAT'S THE VERY LAST PAGE, THE EXISTING HALL, THE EXISTING POLICE STATION WITH A ADDITIONAL BUILDING ADDED ON TWO STORY BUILDING, AGAIN ABOUT 20,000FT■S OF SPACE GOING OUT TOWARDS THE PARKING LOT. SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK IF AS OPPOSED TO GOING AND PUTTING UP A NEW BUILDING SOMEPLACE, RUNNING NEW UTILITIES TO IT, RUNNING NEW INTERNET SERVICES, YOU KNOW, OUR NETWORKS AND EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING IS HERE WHERE WE CAN ADD ON TO THAT AS OPPOSED TO GOING TO A WHOLE NOTHER AREA AND THEN EVEN SPLITTING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT UP IN NASE MANNERS. THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WOULD ALL BE ABLE TO BE TOGETHER AS OPPOSED TO TWO SEPARATE LOCATIONS. INTERNET IS VERY YOU KNOW, YOU SAW IT HERE TONIGHT. YOU SEE JUST COMPLIANCE. WE HAVE TO BE VERY SPECIFIC WITH THE THINGS FOR THE POLICE INTERNET. SO THAT'S SEPARATE FROM THE CITY HALL INTERNET FOR EXAMPLE. SO FOR ALL OF THOSE REASONS, WE KIND OF KEPT GOING BACK TO HERE ON THIS SITE UTILIZING THE EXISTING PROPERTY THAT WE HAVE WITHOUT ENCROACHING INTO THE PARK.REALLY WORKING INTO THE PARKING AREA AND THEN RECONFIGURING IT, ADDING THE PARKING DOWN CLOSER TO THE ROAD. SO BUT THEN LET ME PAUSE THERE SO WE CAN DISCUSS, MR. CHAIRMAN, ANY QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIRMAN? SO THE EXISTING BUILDING WOULD CONTINUE TO BE USED. YES. SO THAT SO WHENEVER WORK IS TO BE DONE WITH THAT FOR RENOVATION, $10 MILLION INCLUDES THE NEW BUILDING PLUS WHATEVER WORK IS IN THE EXISTING POLICE STATION TO MAKE IT ALL ONE PIECE. SO LIKE FOR INSTANCE, USING THIS DIAGRAM HERE. RIGHT. SO THIS BLUISH COLOR. RIGHT. SO THE EXISTING BUILDING WOULD STAY THE SAME AT LEAST FOR NOW. AND THEN ADDING THIS WHOLE NEW BUILDING WITH THIS CONNECTION POINT. RIGHT. THIS WOULD BE THE WHOLE NEW ENTRANCEWAY FOR INSTANCE INTO THIS BUILDING. NOW SOMETHING I ALSO LEFT OFF THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE AWARE OF. THE CONVERSATION THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING IS ALSO THAT THIS BE A PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING. WE DO NOT HAVE CURRENTLY A SEPARATE PLACE FOR COURT. AND SO WE COULD ACCOMMODATE COURT IN THIS NEW 20,000 SQUARE FOOT SPACE. ALSO THE SPACE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S A TRAINING ROOM OR A MULTI-PURPOSE ROOM, WHETHER PART
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OF IT'S A PERMANENTLY FIXED UP FOR COURT OR WHATEVER THE CASE, THAT WE WOULD INCLUDE THAT IN THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING, PUTTING COURT THERE AS WELL. THEY CURRENTLY ARE USING THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS IS WHAT HAPPENS THERE. AND THEY PUT FOLDING TABLES DOWN IN THE FRONT OF THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS SO WE COULD HAVE SOME SET UP THERE. SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. SO IT WOULD BE REALLY PRIMARILY WHAT WE'D BE FOCUSED ON IS THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE NEW BUILDING. AND THEN IF WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND DO IMPROVEMENTS TO THE OLD BUILDING, WE WOULD LOOK AT THAT. BUT I WOULD ALSO SHARE THIS WITH YOU. I TRULY BELIEVE WE'VE DONE SOME INTERNAL ANALYSIS. IF WE WERE TO ADD THIS SPACE, I THINK WE COULD ACCOMMODATE IN A TWO STORY FASHION, WHETHER IT'S IN THE EXISTING OR WHETHER IT'S IN THE NEW. WE COULD ACCOMMODATE OUR CITY EMPLOYEES THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN 103 ACROSS THE PARKING LOT AND THEN REPURPOSE THAT, HOPEFULLY FOR SOME SORT OF ECONOMIC PURPOSES FOR THE CITY. AND THEN THAT WAY WE'VE GOT MOST OF THE CENTRAL STAFF UNDER ONE ROOF, SO TO SPEAK. SO $10 MILLION WOULD BE NO SURPRISES.CORRECT? MEANING THAT WHATEVER IS DONE WITH THE EXISTING BUILDING IN TERMS OF RENOVATION OR REMODELING, THAT $10 MILLION PRICE TAG INCLUDES TO DO SORT OF NECESSARY REDUCTION HERE.
CORRECT. NO CHANGE ORDERS, NO SURPRISES. AND THAT'S WHAT WE DECIDE TO GO WITH. WE TALKED ABOUT THE LAST MEETING, POSSIBLY DOING A DESIGN BUILD OPTION WHERE WE WOULD JUST SAY, OKAY, HERE'S THE PRICE POINT. YOU BID ON IT AND TELL US WHAT YOU WOULD DO FOR THIS AND THEN MAKE LET US MAKE THE BEST PRICE, OKAY. THAT'S. ANYONE ELSE. ANY THOUGHTS? IF I COULD, CHAIRMAN, ABOUT THE WHAT YOU SAW OR ANY QUESTIONS OR NOT, NOW'S THE TIME TO OPEN UP. HAS IT BEEN RUN PAST THE TO THE POLICE OFFICERS TO THE GENERAL PREFERENCE AS FAR AS THESE TWO RENDERINGS? YES, SIR.
THEY HAVEN'T SEEN THEM YET. WE. LISTEN, I'LL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, I TRY TO I DON'T WANT THEM TO GET LET DOWN. ESSENTIALLY, IT'S HAPPENED SEVERAL TIMES. I'M WAITING A LITTLE BIT. OBVIOUSLY, NOW THAT THIS IS PUBLIC, I'M GOING TO CERTAINLY HAVE. A MEETING, OUR ANNUAL MEETINGS COMING UP IN JUNE. WE'LL DISCUSS IT. I CERTAINLY WANT THEIR INPUT. THERE'S NO QUESTION.
THEIR INPUT CERTAINLY IS VALUABLE. BUT RIGHT NOW WE HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS. SHOULD YOU THE TWO THE SECOND FOR SURE. I THINK IT'S I THINK THAT SECOND RENDERING. NOW LISTEN THIS IS THE OUTSIDE AND IT'S SIMPLY JUST FOR US TO SEE WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF IT WAS BUILT ON THIS PROPERTY. I THINK IT LOOKS GREAT. THAT THAT'S WHAT I LIKE.
YES, SIR. YOU GET TO THE LOCKER ROOMS. YES. SO IF YOU LOOK ON THE PILLARS, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I REALLY LIKE ON THE OUTSIDE, THE ONE THAT'S AT NIGHT, THOSE WILL BE THE OFFICERS WHO. SERGEANT POE AND OFFICER HOFFMAN, THEIR NAMES WOULD BE ON THOSE. AND THEN YOU HAVE, I BELIEVE IT'S CALLED HEROES PARK. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY IDENTIFIED. I THINK THAT'S GREAT. SO IT'S ADDING THE PARK FEATURE TO IT. SO YES, I LOVE THE I'LL TELL YOU, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I REALLY LIKE ABOUT THIS IS. THE PATIO ESSENTIALLY OUTSIDE BEING ABLE TO ON BEAUTIFUL DAYS, GOING OUTSIDE AND WORKING. THERE'S I THINK SOMEBODY MENTIONED THERE'S NOT ANY WINDOWS IN THESE OFFICES. THAT IS HUGE. SO YES, IF I HAD TO CHOOSE OUT OF THESE TWO 100%, I WOULD PUT MY AND I GUARANTEE THE OFFICERS WOULD FEEL THE SAME ABOUT THAT ONE.
WHICH ONE? THAT ELIMINATION OPTION. STILL THE SAME FOOTPRINT LIKE 20,000. 20,000? YES. ONE OR THE OTHER. RIGHT? CHIEF, YOU AND I AND ASSISTANT CHIEF TO ARENA TOOK A TOUR OF ANOTHER NEW POLICE FACILITY. MAYBE JUST SHARE WITH THE COMMITTEE YOUR TAKEAWAYS FROM THAT. YES, I WILL, AND I THINK I'VE MANY OF Y'ALL HAVE HEARD ME SAY, IF YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT WAS BUILT IN THE 90S, YOU HAVE A BETTER PLACE TO PARK THAN WE DO THIS ONE. THEY HAVEN'T EVEN MOVED IN YET.
I MEAN, YOUR SHOES ARE SQUEAKING THE FLOORS AS YOU'RE WALKING THROUGH IT. THEIR TRAINING ROOM WAS PROBABLY A QUARTER OF THE SIZE OF OUR ENTIRE POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND THIS IS A SMALL AGENCY. THERE WERE SOME THINGS THAT I WOULD CHANGE. YOU KNOW, THEIR OFFICES, THE ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES WERE WERE FAIRLY SMALL. THEY'RE ALL OTHER DETECTIVES HAD THEIR OWN
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OFFICES, ALBEIT THEY WERE SMALL, BUT STILL THEY HAD THEIR THEIR PRIVACY. THE LOBBY. WE COULD HAVE CHANGED THE LOBBY UP SOME. I'M BIG ON PUBLIC FACING THINGS, BUT OVERALL THE ENTIRE BUILDING I THOUGHT WAS REALLY NICE. OUR EVIDENCE ROOM WAS NICE. THEY HAD A REALLY NICE PATIO ON THE BACK WHERE THEY HAD BAY DOORS WHERE YOU COULD WORK OUT AND OPEN UP THE BAY DOORS AND ENJOY THE SCENERY. IT'S 100 TIMES BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAVE, I'LL SAY THAT. AND THAT BUILDING THAT WE LOOKED AT IS A STEEL FRAME CONSTRUCTION. SO WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS, YOU KNOW, THE FABRICATORS GO IN AND WRECK THE STEEL. THEY PUT UP THE TRUSSES AND EVERYTHING. RIGHT? AND THEY BUILD THIS FRAME AND THEN IT GETS WRAPPED IN THE METAL, AND THEN YOU COME BACK AND YOU FINISH IT OFF SPECIFICALLY WITH WHATEVER IT IS THAT YOU WANT TO SEE IN TERMS OF THE LAYOUT. BUT YOU BUILD THE BOX FIRST. SO. SO WITH A MULTISTORY BUILDING, WE'LL HAVE ELEVATORS AND STAIRS OR. ELEVATOR OR STANDS AND PROBABLY BOTH FOR ADA WOULD PROBABLY REQUIRE THE ELEVATOR.YEAH. JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT WILL BE DIFFERENT WILL BE. SOME QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC TOO I KNOW. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMITTEE? OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC? YES. COMMENTS. THE FACILITY THAT WE HAVE NOW, I CAN ONLY I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S. RATHER OLD, BUT I START TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE UPGRADED THE FIRE STATION TO REALLY MAKE THE FIREMEN FEEL APPRECIATED. BECAUSE WHEN YOU GO TO WORK ONE, YOU WANT TO GET APPRECIATION FROM YOUR FROM YOUR EMPLOYER, PEOPLE THAT WORK FOR YOU. YOU WANT TO KNOW THAT YOU ARE A VALUED ASSET TO THE COMPANY. THAT RIGHT THERE DON'T DO THAT.
THE SECOND THING IS THERE ARE PEOPLE THERE PEOPLE OR POLICE OFFICERS THAT PROBABLY WANT TO SPEND MORE TIME IN THEIR VEHICLES THAN THEY WANT TO SPEND IN THAT FACILITY JUST BECAUSE OF THE ESTHETICS AND WHAT THEY, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY HAVE TO WALK INTO. BECAUSE WHEN YOU WALK INTO WORK, YOU WANT TO WALK. YOU WANT TO WORK SOMEWHERE THAT'S INVITING, THAT'S WARM, THAT'S I COULD GO ON FOR DAYS. THAT RIGHT THERE DON'T DO THAT. SO I REALLY HOPE I LIKE BOTH OF THEM JUST BECAUSE IT'S NEW AND IT OFFERS SPACE AND A WELCOMING ENVIRONMENT BECAUSE WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THEY RESPOND TO US WHEN WE'RE IN TROUBLE. WE CALL THE POLICE WHEN WE ARE, WHEN WE HAVE DIFFERENT ACTIONS, WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, ACTIONS THAT GO ON, WE CALL THE POLICE AND WE EXPECT THEM TO SHOW UP AT A DIFFERENT TIME IN A FACILITY LIKE THAT. THEY CAN TAKE THEIR TIME GETTING OUT TO RESPOND. EVEN THOUGH IT'S ONLY FIVE MINUTES FROM MY HOUSE. I HAD, YOU KNOW, POLICE RESPOND TO MY HOUSE OVER A I THINK I WAS I WAS SITTING ON THE KEY TO MY ALARM FOR THE HOUSE, BUT IT TOOK FIVE MINUTES. BUT THINK ABOUT SOMEWHERE ELSE. NOT AS CLOSE.
AND IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE IN SOMEWHERE JURY, AND IT TAKES MORE TIME FOR YOU TO GET OUT AND THEN REALLY GET UP TO SPEED ON WHAT YOU DO. SO I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT THE COMMITTEE.
REALLY PUT EFFORT INTO CREATING A NEW POLICE STATION. OKAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU. MARK COOK 11 OH, SECURITY DRIVE, CHIEF, YOU MENTIONED WHEN THE WHEN THIS FIRST STATION WAS BUILT, IT WAS ALL ACCORDING TO WHAT YOU'VE HEARD. IT WAS ALREADY TOO SMALL. SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU WAS WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT'S NEEDED NOW, YOU LOOKED AT THE FACILITY, BUT WHAT SQUARE SQUARE FOOTAGE WAS NEEDED TO HOST THE OFFICERS? WHEN YOU
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VISIT THE LOCATION? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO I'M NOT I'M NOT SURE AS FAR AS WHAT WE NEED.WELL, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. I'M GOING TO I'M NOT SURE HOW TO ANSWER THAT, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. WHAT YOU DON'T WANT TO DO IS TO BUILD A LOCATION. AND BY THE TIME YOU MOVE IN, YOU'VE YOU'VE ALREADY OUTGROWN IT. YEAH. SO IF I COULD THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE ACTUALLY, EVEN BEFORE WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT A FACILITY, WE BROUGHT IN AN OUTSIDE ENTITY, A PROFESSIONAL ENTITY. IT'S CALLED MATRIX CONSULTING TO DO AN ANALYSIS OF BOTH POLICE AND FIRE. AND REALLY AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE WORKING ON A NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, DUNCANVILLE 2040, BUT WE'RE WORKING ON A 15 YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AGAIN, DUNCANVILLE 2040. AND THAT MATRIX REPORT IS ALSO EARMARKED TOWARDS 2040. SO EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WE'RE TRYING TO METHODICALLY GO ABOUT THAT. SO, YOU KNOW, THE ADDITION THE MATRIX CALLS FOR THROUGH 2040, A 20,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING SHOULD ACCOMMODATE THAT. NO PROBLEM. NOW, IF SOMETHING DRASTICALLY CHANGES IN, THE CITY BECOMES A CITY OF A MILLION INSTEAD OF 50,000, I DON'T KNOW. WE'LL HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD, RIGHT? BUT WE'LL WORRY ABOUT THAT IF WE GET TO IT. BUT BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW RIGHT NOW IN THAT MATRIX REPORT, THERE'S A LOT OF ANALYSIS, RIGHT? 12 1216 SOME IT'S 12 OFFICERS, GIVE OR TAKE, RIGHT? 1112 WHATEVER IT IS. SO THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE CURRENTLY 9000 AND WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO A 20,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, OR IN CONJUNCTION IN PART WITH PART OF THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ENOUGH SPACE THERE. DOES THAT ANSWER IT? BUT I WOULD PROBABLY HOPE THAT YOU WILL DIG INTO THOSE NUMBERS A LITTLE BIT MORE. OKAY. TO BE TO BE REALLY, I KNOW YOU CAN'T BE JUST ON TARGET, ON TARGET, BUT IT'S SO CRUCIAL THAT YOU DIG INTO THAT NUMBER A LITTLE BIT MORE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE ENOUGH SPACE VERSUS GETTING IT THERE AND REALIZE IT'S HINDSIGHT. YOU'RE BACK WHERE YOU WERE. YOU'RE BACK WHERE YOU STARTED WITH JUST A PRETTIER BUILDING. RIGHT? SO THANK YOU. SO MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN. I WAS GOING TO SAY, MR. THOMPSON, WOULD YOU COME BACK AGAIN AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? OKAY. ROLLO THOMPSON, MY ADDRESS IS 911911 SOUTH GREENSTONE LINE, DUNCANVILLE, TEXAS. THANK YOU.
OKAY. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOK TOWARD THE FUTURE OF ANYTHING LIKE THIS, IT'S I MEAN, THE REASON I BRING THIS UP IS POPULATION. BECAUSE THE QUESTION WAS ASKED OF CHIEF, WHAT DO WE GAUGE EVERYTHING ON? IT WAS CALLS. IT WAS BECAUSE SOMEBODY ASKED THE QUESTION, WHAT ABOUT POPULATION? HE SAID, THAT'S NOT REALLY THE CALL. IT'S HOW MANY CALLS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT EXPERIENCED. IT'S LIKE OVER 6000 CALLS. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE OUT YEARS OF 2025, 2030, 2040, THE CITY OF DUNCANVILLE IS NOT GOING TO GROW IN POPULATION. THAT'S RIGHT. BECAUSE WE ARE BOXED IN AND WE FROM 2010 TO 2020, WE ONLY GAINED, YOU KNOW, ABOUT 1700 PEOPLE. WE HAVE COMMERCIAL SPACE AVAILABLE, BUT WE HAVE VERY, VERY LITTLE, IF ANY RESIDENTIAL SPACE AVAILABLE IN TERMS OF POPULATION. SO LOOKING AT THE CALL VOLUME THAT OUR POLICE OFFICERS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO COME TO, IT'S MORE OF AS THE CALL VOLUME BECAUSE OF CRIME COMING ACROSS THE BORDER FROM DALLAS, WHICH WE KNOW HAPPENS AS WELL. AND AS OUR CALL VOLUME GOING TO GO FROM 6000 TO 7000 TO 8000 IN 2030. SO THERE'S KIND OF LIKE WHAT MR. COOK IS, I THINK LOOKING AT IS HOW DO WE GAUGE THE SPACE? IT'S NOT ON PEOPLE, IT'S NOT ON POPULATION. IT'S GOING TO BE ON THE CRIME. AND HOW HOW DO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE GAUGE LOOKING AT THOSE DETAILS? HOW DO WE GAUGE CRIME IN TERMS OF WHAT'S GOING TO BE HAPPENING IN 2030 AND 2040? BUT THAT'S THE TOUGHEST PART. I THINK OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT IN TERMS OF OUTFITTING THIS BUILDING FOR THE OUT YEARS. I WOULD SAY THAT IN THE CASE OF TRYING TO PREDICT THE FUTURE, ALL YOU CAN DO IS ASSEMBLE THE BEST INFORMATION AND DATA THAT YOU HAVE, AND THEN THIS IS IT, AND YOU HOPE FOR THE BEST. THE OTHER THING IS, I THINK THERE THERE IS IN MY MIND A CONNECTION BETWEEN CALL VOLUME AND SERVICE EXPECTATIONS. COMMUNITY EXPECTATIONS OF WHAT THE POLICE ARE SUPPOSED TO DO. LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, FIVE YEARS AGO WE DID DIFFERENT THINGS WITH MENTAL HEALTH AND NOW WE'RE SAYING, NO, WE'D LIKE TO CHANGE THE MISSION SCOPE AND OFFER THEM SERVICES THROUGH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT THAT NORMALLY WOULD HAVE BEEN WOULD HAVE BEEN
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PROVIDED BY SOME OTHER MEANS. SO YOU'RE RIGHT, DUNCANVILLE WILL NOT GROW MUCH IN POPULATION. BUT THEN WHAT DO WE EXPECT OUR OFFICERS TO DO? YEAH. I THINK FIVE YEARS AGO OUR OFFICERS, THEY WERE STILL TRAINED IN HOW TO HANDLE THE HOMELESS. BUT THERE HAVE BEEN LAWS ENACTED IN AUSTIN IN TERMS OF HOW LAW ENFORCEMENT MUST RESPOND TO AN INDIVIDUAL THAT THEY LET'S SAY THEY GET A PHONE CALL THAT SOMEBODY IS HOMELESS. AND SO THEY RESPOND. THE LAW IS NOW CHANGED. SO OUR LAW OFFICERS MAY BECOME ALMOST A CARETAKER OF THAT INDIVIDUAL. IF THAT PERSON SAYS, TAKE CARE OF ME, WHICH I THINK THIS LAW WAS PASSED BY 3 OR 4 YEARS AGO AND PUT IN PLACE, IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT BURDEN ON OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT. THEY'RE NOT JUST LAW ENFORCEMENT. NOW. THEY BECOME A CARETAKER OF A HOMELESS PERSON, AND THE CITY BECOMES RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT PERSON. SO, MR. HARVEY, IN TERMS OF EXPECTATIONS, YOU'RE RIGHT. IT'S A QUANTUM LEAP FROM WHERE WE WERE FIVE YEARS AGO, EVEN TO TODAY IN TERMS OF MENTAL HEALTH. AND THEY LOOK AT THE HOMELESS AS A MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE. MR. CHAIR, I'LL MAKE ONE LAST COMMENT. JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE REAL QUICK. IN 20 2016, 2017, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH A CHURCH THAT WE BUILT, A $23 MILLION FACILITY. 8 TO 9 YEARS LATER, WE'RE NOW PUTTING $8 MILLION BACK INTO THAT NEW FACILITY, ONLY BECAUSE THE CONGREGATION HAVE GROWN MORE.AND WE'VE HAD TO DO MORE RENOVATION FROM THAT TIME PERIOD. AND SO THOUGH WE THOUGHT AT THE TIME WE COULD BUILD THE FACILITIES TO ACCOMMODATE A MASS NUMBER OF PEOPLE, EIGHT YEARS LATER, WE'RE PUTTING $8 MILLION BACK INTO IT. AND SO I KNOW TO THE MR. GORDON'S POINT, I KNOW IT'S KIND OF HARD TO FIGURE, BUT YOU WANT TO GET IT AS CLOSE AS YOU CAN. BUT KNOWING 8 OR 10 YEARS LATER YOU'RE GOING TO PROBABLY BE BACK IN SOME TYPE OF SPOT AGAIN. WELL, I THINK STAFF UNDERSTANDS OUR CONCERN IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA, SO I'M SURE THEY'RE GOING TO SHARPEN THEIR PENCILS. AS SOMEONE SAID SOME TIME AGO AND PROVIDE US WITH THE BEST DATA. BUT WHAT THEY CAN'T PROVIDE US IS GUARANTEES. YEAH THAT'S TRUE. YEAH. OKAY. WELL THE OTHER KNOB THERE AND I GUESS THIS MAY TIE BACK INTO POINT A, RIGHT. BUT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DIFFERENT KNOBS YOU HAVE TO WORK WITH, WE'RE ALSO BOUND BY THE FINANCIAL CONSTRAINT. RIGHT. SO IT'S ONE THING WE COULD BUILD AS BIG A BUILDING TO ACCOMMODATE HOWEVER MANY OFFICERS. BUT WHAT CAN WE AFFORD? YEAH, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT. JUST ASSET FORFEITURE COME INTO PLAY AT ALL. OR IS IT A NAME AND ADDRESS? WE. LET ME THINK I SEE. KENNETH BAIN, 938 CAMBRIDGE DRIVE. THANK YOU. I THINK IN DUNCANVILLE, OF COURSE, YOU ARE REAL CLOSE TO THE LINE THERE. SO YEAH, YOU BACK UP TO THE LINE. BUT YOU KNOW. I KNOW THEY USED FOR EQUIPMENT PURCHASES, STUFF LIKE THIS. NOT I DON'T HAVE FLEXIBLE. THEY ARE IN REGARD TO UTILIZING THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. Y'ALL ARE GETTING IN THERE ON ASSET FORFEITURE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH YOU ARE NOW. I KNOW SOME YEARS IT FLUCTUATES AND IT'S USUALLY USED FOR SHORT TERM THINGS AND FOR EQUIPMENT. AND I DIDN'T KNOW HOW LIMITED THAT IS AS FAR AS USAGE TO ENHANCE THE NOT NECESSARILY THE BUILDING, BUT TO ENHANCE THE BUILDING DURING THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE BUILDING AND STUFF LIKE THAT. NO. ARE THERE BETTER? UTILIZATION? SO, SO, SO THERE'S A LOT OF PARAMETERS AROUND IT. THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, FORTUNATELY WE DO HAVE MONEY IN ASSET FORFEITURE THAT ALLOWS US TO DO THINGS THAT WE CAN'T ALREADY DO THROUGH OUR BUDGET. AND IT HELPS. THE THING I DON'T WANT TO DO IS TAKE ALL OF OUR ASSET FORFEITURE MONEY AND PUT IT INTO THIS, AND THEN NOW WE CAN'T DO THINGS OUTSIDE OF OUR OPERATING BUDGET. WE'RE CONSTRAINED BY OUR OPERATING BUDGET. WE DO A LOT OF VERY INNOVATIVE. TECHNOLOGY. OUR NARCOTICS USES THAT THOSE FUNDS FOR TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK. YEAH, WELL, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT TAKING ALL THE MONEY. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE PERIOD OF TIME WE HAVE HERE. SETTING ASIDE A CERTAIN PORTION OF IT, BECAUSE WHEN YOU BUILD A BUILDING, THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THAT ARE GOOD TO BUILD INTO THE BUILDING.
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SURE, THAT HELP ENHANCE WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO TO ENABLE YOU TO UTILIZE THOSE FUNDS DOWN THE ROAD FOR SOMETHING. THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. ABSOLUTELY, I THINK. I HOPE WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO THAT, AND I WOULD I WOULD AGREE, BECAUSE FORFEITURE MONEY IS RESTRICTED MONEY AND IT CAN ONLY BE USED FOR PUBLIC SAFETY PURPOSES. AND BASICALLY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IS IN THE DRIVER'S SEAT IN TERMS OF SPECIFYING HOW THAT MONEY COULD BE USED. NOW, THEY THEY MAY BE INTERESTED INTO POSSIBLY DOING A ONE TIME THING IN CONNECTION WITH THE BUILDING. BUT BUT CERTAINLY I WOULD CAUTION AND ADVISE AGAINST UTILIZING THAT ASSET FORFEITURE MONEY FOR ONGOING EXPENDITURES. THAT'S WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT, NOT ONGOING. OKAY, WELL, THANKS FOR CLEARING UP MY CONFUSION. THAT'S KIND OF MR. OH, A COUPLE OBSERVATIONS FOR WHAT THE MR. THOMPSON OR MR. COOK SAID ABOUT OUR 67 AND OUR 287 NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH ARE GROWING VERY FAST OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS. SO I ANTICIPATE MY OPINION IS THE HIGHWAY 67 TRAFFIC VOLUME IS GOING TO KEEP CONTINUING GETTING HIGHER, WHICH MEANS MORE PEOPLE CUTTING THROUGH DIFFERENT ROADS AND WHATNOT THROUGH OUR TOWN. SO THAT WAS JUST ONE THING. AND THEN I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE THIS PROPOSAL IS THE NEW POLICE BUILDING A MOVING FROM THE EXISTING TO THE NEW ONE, OR JUST AN EXPANSION OR SOME COMBINATION? WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS? SO. I BELIEVE WE ARE KEEPING OUR EXISTING BUILDING IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE ARE BUILDING. SO WE WOULD HAVE ABOUT 29,000FT■!S. CORRECT. OKAY. AND THEN THE ONE THING I DON'T SEE IN HERE THAT I THINK I ALWAYS WONDERED IF YOU GUYS NEED IS COVERED PARKING OR AN ENCLOSED PARKING STRUCTURE SO THAT LIKE YOU SAID, THAT YOU COULD SECURE VEHICLES OR WHATEVER, OR THEY COULD LOAD WHATEVER EQUIPMENT THAT THEY NEED SECURELY IN THE VEHICLE, AND IF THEY HAVE TO RUN BACK INSIDE THE VEHICLES IN A SECURED PLACE UNTIL THEY COME BACK. SO I AND AGAIN, THAT'S THIS IS JUST THE EXTERIOR. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO BE IN IT YET, BUT WE WOULD MOVE OUR FACILITY, OUR WORKOUT FACILITY INTO THE NEW BUILDING. WE WOULD USE THAT SALLYPORT FOR THAT.DOES THAT PROVIDE YOU ENOUGH STORAGE? OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD ALWAYS WANT MORE, BUT THEN TYPE STORAGE. YES SIR. WE CAN FIT TWO IN THERE. WE WOULD NORMALLY HAVE TWO PATROL VEHICLES IN THERE WHEN WE WOULD ARREST MULTIPLE PEOPLE. SO THERE'S VACUUMS OR CLEAN UP AFTER THE VISITOR.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE WE WOULD DO. HAVE SOMETHING GOING ON BACK THERE. YES, SIR. ABSOLUTELY.
SOME OF THAT WE WOULD FIGURE OUT TO ONCE WE GET TO SITE DESIGN, OBVIOUSLY. RIGHT. THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. OUTSTANDING QUESTIONS. GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE. IF I IF I MAY I WANT TO CLARIFY ONE THING. YES SIR. IT'S 60,000 CALLS THAT WE RESPOND TO IN A YEAR. 60,000 NOT 6000. YEAH. SO YOU DIVIDE THAT BY 365. DIVIDE THAT BY AN HOUR. YOU REALIZE HOW MANY CALLS WE RESPOND TO A DAY.
AND OUR MINIMUM STAFFING IS FOR ON THE STREET. SO WHEN WE HAVE A MAJOR INCIDENT YOU'RE PRETTY MUCH SHUTTING DOWN THE CITY. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO INCREASE OUR STAFFING. SO THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN. I THINK I MAY HAVE SHARED THIS PREVIOUSLY. I THINK THAT NUMBER WAS, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, 66 FOR SOMETHING OR OTHER. FIRE IS ABOUT 7000 CALLS. JUST TO GIVE YOU A COMPARISON, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS HAS A LOT OF CALLS THAT THEY'RE DISPATCHED TO SERVICES AND STUFF THAT IT CAPTURES EVERY CALL THAT. YES. SO ANIMAL SERVICES IS UNDER US.
THEY ANSWER ABOUT 3000, 3400 CALLS A YEAR. SO IT'S 1.5 CITIZENS, I'M SORRY, 40,000 PEOPLE. SO YOU'RE SURE 1.5. THAT'S ABOUT IT. BUT AGAIN, THAT MAP THAT WE SHOWED, RIGHT, RIGHT. THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF THOSE CALLS, WHERE IS THAT THING? IS THAT IN HERE? I DON'T HAVE THAT YET. WE'LL GET IT FOR YOU. YES. WE'LL POST IT. FLIPPING THROUGH HERE LOOKING FOR IT. YES. THIS IS NEW INFO THAT THEY GAVE ME. SO YES WE'LL GET THAT FOR YOU. SO OKAY. I'LL
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A MEMBER BARRY GORDON, YOU HAD SOME QUESTIONS THAT YOU WANTED TO ASK. YES, SIR. THE YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE PROJECTIONS OF 20 TO 25 MILLION AND LOOKING OVER THE DATA THAT HILLTOP PROVIDED AND LOOKING AT THOSE FOUR DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT THEY HAD AS WELL, WE'VE ALREADY GOBBLED UP 20. IF WE LOOK AT THE SERVICE CENTER AND THE POLICE STATION, AND IF WE'RE SAYING IT'S GOING TO BE A BOND OF 2025, LET'S LET'S LIFT THAT. SO IMPORTANT FOR THE CITY TO DO THIS AND ONLY GOING TO BE 5 MILLION. SEE IT I'M THINKING WHATEVER'S LEFT LIKE YOU MENTIONED ARMY IN OUR FIRST MEETING. THAT'S NOW UP TO TEN IF I REMEMBER RIGHT. BUT NOT WITH THIS. YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THAT WITH THIS. THAT'S OKAY. SO THERE'S LIKE I'M TRYING TO BRING INTO THESE LITTLE PLAYERS TO FIND OUT. SO THERE'S MY LITTLE THING. SO SCRATCH OUT ARMY RIGHT. AND LET ME I'M SORRY IF I JUST COULD JUST SO EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS. SO THAT'S THE AUTOMATED METERING INFRASTRUCTURE. AND THE REASON WE DON'T WANT TO INCLUDE THAT WITH THIS BOND IS BECAUSE WE HAVE APPLIED FOR A PROGRAM THROUGH THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD. IT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT 10 MILLION, WHERE WE WOULD GET 50% LOAN FORGIVENESS AND THEY WOULD COVER THE OTHER 50% FOR US. AND WE'VE BEEN GETTING VERY POSITIVE RESPONSES FROM TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD. SO I WOULD JUST LEAVE THAT OFF ON ITS OWN. GOOD. YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE THAT'S THE TERRIBLE THING ABOUT BUDGETS. THERE'S JUST NEVER ENOUGH, RIGHT I KNOW YEAH. YEAH. SO AND THEN YOU KNOW LOOKING FOR THIS OTHER FIVE AS A BOGEY. WE WANT TO DO I UNDERSTAND IT. WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE OLD FIRE STATION. SO IS THAT WHAT THE STAFF IS THINKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF ANOTHER PROJECT FOR THIS 2025 BOND. SO I WOULD SAY NO. OKAY. SO THESE ARE THE IMPORTANT QUESTIONS IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT THIS. 25 OF THEM ARE LIKE WHAT'S LEFT FOR US AS A BOND COMMITTEE THAT THE STAFF IS GOING TO RECOMMEND WE DO SOMETHING WITH. RIGHT FOR THAT, FOR THAT 20 SO, RIGHT FOR WHATEVER IT IS, IT'S I'M KIND OF LIKE, WELL, THERE IS ONE MORE PROJECT. AT THE NEXT MEETING, WE'RE GOING TO TALK FIRE. RIGHT. AND SO I THINK THAT FIRE IS THE OTHER ONE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO LOOK AT FOR POSSIBLY THAT 3 TO 5 RATE. SO WE SEE WE HAVE A DAUNTING TASK, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO SOLVE IT. TONIGHT WE'RE STILL GATHERING. I LOST SLEEP OVER THIS DAUNTING THING WE DON'T HAVE TO WORK ON. SO IF I CAN. SO ON BEHALF OF YOUR LIFE, YOU SHOULD DO. I APPRECIATE THAT MY MIND WAS GOING LIKE I'M LOOKING AT THE 20 AND WE'RE YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS CAP OF 25. AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A CAP, BECAUSE THERE'S ANOTHER THING TO TALK ABOUT IN TERMS OF TAXES ON PEOPLE AND HOW WE PASS THIS PUPPY OR DON'T PASS THIS PUPPY, AND WHAT OUR RESPONSIBILITY AS THE COMMITTEE IS TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE PALATABLE, THAT OUR PEOPLE ARE GOING TO ACTUALLY ACCEPT, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO WALK AWAY AS A COMMITTEE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION. DON'T DO ANYTHING. THAT'S I THINK WE'RE GOING TO SAY YES, THIS IS SOMETHING OUR CITY NEEDS TO DO.SO THEN HOW DO WE MAKE WHAT WE AS A COMMITTEE THINK THAT WE NEED TO DO ACCEPTABLE AND PALATABLE, THAT OUR POPULACE, AS POPULACE, IS GOING TO VOTE FOR US? ABSOLUTELY. WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS. SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WE HAVE TIME. WE HAVE WE HAVE APRIL. SO IF I, IF I COULD SO JUST TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE OLD FIRE STATION, SO OLD FIRE STATION ONE, RIGHT. IT'S CURRENTLY BEING USED BY THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, THOSE OF YOU THAT WERE HERE AND WE WENT THROUGH THE SERVICE CENTER AND EVERYTHING, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT NEW SERVICE CENTER.
WE WOULD THEN EMPTY OLD FIRE STATION ONE, MOVE THE PARKS DEPARTMENT INTO THE NEW SERVICE CENTER. IF WE WERE TO DO THAT, WE COULD THEN EITHER SELL OR LEASE WHATEVER THAT OLD, THAT OLD FIRE STATION THAT OLD COULD BE FOR USED FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PURPOSES. IDEALLY, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ALL OF THE STAFF ESSENTIALLY LOCATED HERE AT CITY HALL SERVICE CENTER, AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE THE FIRE STATIONS. SO YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 20 MILLION, GIVE OR TAKE, BETWEEN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE SERVICE CENTER. WE HAVE THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN THAT HAS ANY SERIES OF DIFFERENT PROJECTS AND DIFFERENT THINGS ON THERE. BUT THE OTHER PIECE TO THIS THAT WE HAVEN'T YET TALKED ABOUT, THE MATRIX REPORT DID POLICE AND FIRE AND THE MATRIX REPORT CAME BACK TO US AND SAID SPECIFICALLY, WE CANNOT MEET THE NATIONAL TURNOUT TIME STANDARDS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE CITY, AND THEY ARE RECOMMENDING A THIRD FIRE STATION FOR US. AND SO THAT IS THE OTHER PIECE THAT WE WANT TO TALK TO YOU AT THE NEXT MEETING ABOUT. IS THE POSSIBLE LOCATION OF A THIRD FIRE STATION. THAT PREDOMINANTLY WOULD BE WHAT I WOULD SAY, SINCE 70% PLUS OF OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT CALLS ARE AMBULANCE EMT. THAT
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WOULD PREDOMINANTLY BE A AMBULANCE STATION. MAYBE THERE'S ENOUGH ROOM FOR A TRUCK IN IT AND CREW, BUT IT WOULD BE AN EMT RESPONSE TYPE SITUATION. SO THAT'S ANOTHER TEN. NO, NO 15.NO. I AM VERY CONFIDENT IN YOU COULD BUILD THAT BUILDING ON EXISTING CITY PROPERTY FOR 3 TO 5. VERY CONFIDENT. FIVE. IT'S THE MUCH DIFFERENT THAN THE STATION THAT WAS JUST BUILT ON CAMP WISDOM. AND THAT COST, AS EVERYBODY KNOWS, WENT THROUGH THE ROOF WITH 28 CHANGE ORDERS.
AND SO THAT COULD BE DONE MUCH MORE EFFICIENTLY. THE DATA WE STILL HAVE. YES. AND THERE ARE SOME OTHER PROJECTS TOO, THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THE COMMITTEE IS AWARE OF, THAT THERE'S SOME NEEDS AND THEN WE CAN HOW THOSE COME TOGETHER. SO OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS I NEED TO WEIGH AN AMBULANCE AND A DOG PARK IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING RIGHT NOW. WELL ACTUALLY NO THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I ALWAYS TRY TO LOOK FOR THE WIN WIN. AND WHAT I'M GOING TO TELL YOU IS I THINK THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US. AND I JUST HAD THIS CONVERSATION AGAIN TODAY, AND I KEEP TELLING ME HAVING FIRE DEPARTMENT PEOPLE AND OTHER STAFF TELL ME, TELL ME HOW THIS DOESN'T WORK. AND NOBODY'S BEEN ABLE TO TELL ME HOW THIS DOESN'T WORK. I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS STATION TO GO AT THE SAME LOCATION FOR US TO BUILD PHASE ONE OF THE DOG PARK AND THAT STATION TOGETHER, AND THEN KICK THAT OFF. NOW, YOU WEREN'T HERE TO BE BLAMED FOR HOW THE COST OVERRUNS THAT WE HEARD ABOUT FROM THE FIRST BOND MEASURE, THOUGH. THIS SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE BUILDING LIKE THE POLICE STATION THING, THE FIRE STATION. THESE SEEM NON-NEGOTIABLE, RIGHT? LIKE THESE THESE ARE CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE. SO MY CONCERN IS ECHOING THEIRS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING. AND NOT TO GET IN THE POLITICAL CLIMATE, BUT WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT STEEL IS GOING TO COST ME HERE. SO MY CONCERN IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO DO WHAT WE NEED WITH THE POLICE STATION OR TO DO WHAT WE NEED, BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO SQUEEZE A BUNCH OF STUFF IN. DO YOU END UP PRIORITIZING THAT THEN? AND WE'RE GOING, HEY, LOOK, YOU NEED TO BUILD THIS POLICE STATION. DON'T EVEN START LOOKING AT DOG PARKS UNTIL WE'VE GOT A, B, C DONE. HOW DOES THAT WORK? WELL, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ROLL UP OUR SLEEVES IN THIS ROOM, HONESTLY, AND HAVE SOME OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. AND THEN WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, BECAUSE YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. WITH THE CHANGES THAT ARE HAPPENING IN WASHINGTON THAT WE CAN ALL BARELY KEEP UP WITH, RIGHT. WHAT IS THE COST OF STEEL NEXT WEEK, LET ALONE NEXT YEAR? RIGHT. AND SO WE NEED TO FACTOR IN THOSE CONTINGENCIES. YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. ARE WE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT. NO I GOT IT. I JUST I MEAN I'M WITH YOU GUYS. I'M SITTING HERE GOING, ALL RIGHT, ALL THE MONEY'S GONE. AND WE'RE LIKE THREE MEETINGS INTO THIS. NO NO NO NO NO NO NO. KEEP HOPE ALIVE. I DO, BUT I MEAN, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, PART OF OUR JOB IS TO BE PRACTICAL. AND MY DESIRE IS TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR POLICE THAT ARE RESPONDING AND THERE THERE IS ALSO KEEP IN MIND, RIGHT, WE HAVE ABOUT TWO I THINK IT'S 2.2 MILLION AVAILABLE CURRENTLY TODAY FOR THE SERVICE CENTER. RIGHT. SO THAT COULD KEEP THAT NUMBER DOWN A LITTLE BIT. RIGHT. WE'VE GOT SOME FUND BALANCE THAT WE COULD. SO IT'S NOT JUST 25 MILLION. AND YOU GUYS EVEN MAY COME BACK AND RECOMMEND MORE OR LESS. THAT'S OKAY TOO. BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY OF THOSE TYPES OF CONVERSATIONS YET. WE GET WE GET IN THERE THOUGH. ALL IN ALL DELIBERATE SPEED. WE ARE GETTING WELL, NOT DELIBERATE SPEED IN THIS COMMITTEE. FULL THROTTLE. MY WIFE IS LIKE TODAY. YEAH, THAT WAS ONCE A WEEK OR ONCE A MONTH.
NO NO NO NO. AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THIS IS GOVERNMENT TOO. YEAH. NO THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE SLOW. THIS IS MOVING ALONG PRETTY GOOD FOR A BUNCH OF. YEAH. OKAY. SO SLOW DOWN IF THERE ARE IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING. WE'LL SEE YOU ALL AT THE NEXT MEETING. AND. GO STRAIGHT HOME AND ENJOY WHAT'S LEFT OF THE GAME. YEAH. THE. OH YES. CAN I THIS THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED
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