Oct 29, 2024 City Council Special Meeting

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TAKEN. I KNOW. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE. WELL, I'VE BEEN INFORMED BY THE CITY SECRETARY. WE'VE NOT RECEIVED ANY REQUESTS FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS. SO WITH THAT, WE'RE GOING STRAIGHT INTO OUR PRESENTATIONS. AGENDA ITEM A SETTLEMENT AND RELEASE AGREEMENT BETWEEN CASEY LENDING, LLC AND CITY OF DUNCANVILLE. THIS PRESENTATION IS GOING TO BE DONE BY VICTOR BARRERA AND OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, DAVID JUST WENT TO SEE WHAT WAS GOING ON THERE. WOULD YOU MIND SKIPPING OVER TO THE ARTS AND CULTURE DISTRICT? SKIPPING OVER

[B. Briefing on a proposed naming of the Arts Cultural District from the Arts Commission.]

CITY COUNCIL STAFF. COME ON OVER HERE ON THIS SIDE OF THE SCREEN. OKAY. SHE'S GOING TO DO A THE PRESENTATION THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKET. HASN'T MADE IT TO THE SCREEN YET. BUT I WANT TO TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THE ARTS COMMISSION HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT AT OUR LAST REGULAR MEETING, LAST WEEK. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO VERY BRISKLY WALK YOU THROUGH THE PRESENTATION. IT MIRRORS A PRESENTATION PROVIDED BY THE TEXAS COMMISSION FOR THE ARTS AND HOW WE CHOSE OUR THE NAME FOR A PROPOSED CULTURAL DISTRICT AND THE BOUNDARIES FOR THE PROPOSED CULTURAL DISTRICT. SO. WE TALKED. SO I CAN GO AHEAD SINCE I STILL HAVE THE MIC. I'M GOING TO ASK YOU. I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO USE YOUR IMAGINATION. I WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT ARMSTRONG PARK THE WAY THAT I THINK ABOUT ARMSTRONG PARK. I THINK OF ARMSTRONG PARK AS A CULTURAL DISTRICT. I THINK THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN A CULTURAL DISTRICT. BEFORE, THERE WAS A DEFINITION OF THE WORD CULTURAL DISTRICT. I'M GOING TO RUN YOU THROUGH QUICKLY WHAT I SHOW THE ARTS COMMISSION. AND HOW THE TEXAS COMMISSION FOR THE ARTS DEFINES CULTURAL DISTRICT. BUT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WHEN I TALK ABOUT ARMSTRONG PARK, I CALL IT ARMSTRONG PARK CULTURAL DISTRIC.

I'LL HAVE TO PROBABLY SWIPE. SORRY. OKAY. OKAY. YOU CAN BE MY OFFICIAL SWIPER. OKAY. SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT A CULTURAL DISTRICT. AND THEN HOW WE GET THERE, HOW IT'S DEFINED, HOW IT'S NAMED. WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF IT? SO WHAT I'VE DONE IS I'VE CREATED. I'VE MERGED A PRESENTATION FROM THE TEXAS COMMISSION FOR THE ARTS. THE TEXAS COMMISSION FOR THE ARTS IS EMPOWERED BY TEXAS STATE LEGISLATURE TO IDENTIFY AND DEFINE A CULTURAL DISTRICT. THE ADVANTAGE OF HAVING A DESIGNATED CULTURAL DISTRICT. THERE ARE CULTURAL DISTRICTS ALL OVER TEXAS, BUT NOT NECESSARILY DEFINED BY THE TCA, WITH THE WITH THE DESIGNATION FROM THE TEXAS COMMISSION FOR THE ARTS, THE CITY BECOMES ELIGIBLE FOR FUNDING, WHICH IS CURRENTLY NOT ELIGIBLE FOR. SO ARE YOU READY FOR A CULTURAL DISTRICT DESIGNATION? SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND I'M GOING TO GO BRISK. SO AS YOU KNOW, A CULTURAL DISTRICT IS AN ANCHOR OF A RECOGNIZED LABELED MIXED USE AREA OF A COMMUNITY IN WHICH THERE EXISTS A HIGH CONCENTRATION OF ARTS AND CULTURAL FACILITIES, INDIVIDUAL ARTISTS AND EVENTS THAT ARE PROMOTED TO ATTRACT CULTURAL TOURISM OFFICIALS. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND SWIPE A LITTLE MORE, A LITTLE MORE. OKAY. SO LET'S START RIGHT HERE. WHAT ARE SOME IMPORTANT DATES? ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE TOLD EVERYBODY, I THINK THAT WE CAN PULL ALL THE PIECES TOGETHER IN ABOUT TWO FISCAL YEARS. I THINK ALL THE PIECES ARE THERE. YOU'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH HERE. I'M GOING TO HAVE IT GREEN. I THINK YOU'RE READY TO GO. YELLOW. WE HAVE A NEW ARTS COMMISSION WHO'S FUNDED READY TO GO IN THE RED. AND WE REALLY NEED TO LEAN INTO IT. SO BY JANUARY 31ST OF 2027. SO WE HAVE FISCAL YEAR 25 FISCAL YEAR 26 JANUARY 27TH, WE CAN START WRITING A LETTER OF INTENT TO THE TEXAS COMMISSION FOR THE ARTS. AND THEN WE PUT OUR APPLICATION BY JUNE 15TH. THANK, VANNA. ALL RIGHT. SO LET'S GO HERE. SO ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS IS THAT'S REQUIRED. SO THIS IS FROM THE TEXAS COMMISSION FOR THE ARTS. YOU ARE READY TO FOR A DISTRICT DESIGNATION WHEN THERE'S STRONG POLITICAL SUPPORT. SO IF YOU GO ONE MORE I LIKE TO USE THIS I USE THIS ALL THE TIME NOW WE HAVE VERY STRONG POLITICAL SUPPORT. THIS WAS ON OCTOBER 15TH, 2024 AT 8:36 P.M, WHEN THE CITY COUNCIL AND CITY COUNCIL VOTED TO APPROVE OUR ARTS FUNDING. OKAY, SO HERE'S A COLOR CODED. ARE YOU READY FOR A DISTRICT DESIGNATION? THERE IS STRONG POLITICAL SUPPORT. THERE IS DISTRICT PLANNING EFFORTS REFLECT THE DIVERSITY OF YOUR

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WE'VE GOT TO SELL IT. THERE IS STRONG SUPPORT FROM THE ARTS AND CULTURAL LEADERS. GREEN. YOU HAVE AN AGENCY WITH THE STAFF AND MANAGEMENT CAPACITY TO ACT AS ADMINISTRATIVE AND FISCAL SUPPORT. A RECOMMENDATION LATER ON IS THAT SHOULD PROBABLY DC-DC THEY HAVE STAFF. PARKS HAS STAFF ARTS COMMISSION. WHEN IT GETS INTO HIS GROOVE, WE'RE GOING TO FUND THE ARTS. YOU HAVE ACCESS TO RESEARCH, PLANNING, EXPERTISE. ABSOLUTELY. YOU ALL KNOW AND YOU'VE MET SOME OF THE PEOPLE I'M ACTIVELY ENGAGED IN MAKING SURE THAT THE CITY OF DUNCANVILLE, WE LEAN INTO THIS.

WE HAVE THE BEST PEOPLE TO HELP ADVISE US. AND YOU KNOW WHY YOU NEED A CULTURAL DISTRICT? YEAH.

SO WHAT DOES CULTURAL TOURISM. SO THIS IS IN THE CONTEXT OF THE LANGUAGE. YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE WE HAVE THE TRAVEL INDUSTRY TERM DESCRIBING TRAVEL DIRECTED TOWARDS ARTS. WE HAVE THAT HERITAGE. WE ALMOST HAVE THAT RECREATION. WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE IT. NATURAL RESOURCES. WE HAVE THAT A LITTLE BIT THERE. BUT WE ALSO HAVE A NEW NATURE CONSERVANCY. THERE IS NOT NEW.

SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR AUTHENTIC CULTURAL EXPERIENCES. THIS IS SOMETHING YOU HEAR ME SAY ALL THE TIME. IF WE LEAVE IT TO THE ARTS TO DEFINE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO, THE CITY IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ABSOLUTELY THE MOST CONSUMMATE DEFINITION OF WHAT THE ARTS LOOK LIKE. AND I JUST HAD A CONVERSATION WITH DOCTOR FAIN, AND WHEN HE WAS TALKING ABOUT HE SAID, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS LOOKS LIKE DUNCANVILLE. THAT'S WHAT AUTHENTIC IS. IT LOOKS LIKE DUNCANVILLE AND NOT ANYTHING ELSE. THE MULTICULTURAL AND MULTIGENERATIONAL VISITORS MAKE THEIR TRAVEL CHOICES TO PERFORMANCES. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT ARTISTIC ACTIVITY.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT, OKAY, I'M NOT SURE THEY'RE GOING TO COME TO DUNCANVILLE CITY ARCHITECTURE, AND WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE HISTORICAL OFFERINGS, BUT WE HAVE SOME THAT CAN GO INTO HERITAGE. OUR OUR HERITAGE PARK AT ARMSTRONG PARK CULTURAL DISTRICT HAS A HISTORY COMPONENT. WE CAN TURN THAT INTO A LIVING HISTORY MUSEUM. LET'S GO WITH THAT. SO HOW DO WE SET THE BOUNDARIES A LITTLE BIT? I'M SHOWING YOU THIS IS NOT MY LANGUAGE. THIS IS AT THE TEXAS COMMISSION FOR THE ARTS. SELECT A CONTIGUOUS AREA THAT IS WALKABLE. THAT'S ARMSTRONG PARK INCLUDES LOTS OF ARTS ACTIVITY. THERE'S A LOT OF ART ACTIVITY, ART ACTIVITY. NOW THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE. THE ARTISTIC RESOURCES SHOULD PLAY A VITAL ROLE IN THE LIVABILITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT, BUT ABSOLUTELY PIVOTAL. I WOULD ALWAYS SAY THIS IS MY HOMETOWN. WHEN I WAS A LITTLE KID, EVERY 4TH OF JULY, WE WENT TO ARMSTRONG PARK. WE WENT TO THE 4TH OF JULY. THERE WERE THE FAIRS THERE, THE FESTIVALS, THERE WAS DANCING, THERE WAS MUSIC. THERE WAS NO DEFINITION OF CULTURAL DISTRICT. BUT THAT'S HOW WE TREATED IT. THAT'S WHERE WE VOTE. IT'S WHERE WE MEET.

IT'S WHERE WE HAVE FUN. IT'S WHERE WE HAVE SPLASH PADS. IT'S WHERE WE HAVE LIVE MUSIC. IT'S WHERE WE HAVE LIVE THEATER, AND WE HAVE ALL OF IT. WE JUST GOT TO BRING IT TOGETHER. THE DISTRICT MUST BE ACTIVELY ENGAGED IN PROMOTION. YOU'LL HEAR ME SAY THIS. YOU'LL HEAR ME SAY THIS A LOT. WE HAVE TO TREAT IT AS A CULTURAL DISTRICT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT? IT IS A CULTURAL DISTRICT. TRULY. IT INCLUDES RESTAURANTS. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LEAN INTO RESTAURANTS, VENUES, HOTELS AND OTHER AMENITIES. ALL GREEN LIGHTS THAT ONE MORE. IS IT WALKABLE? THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT IS FRIENDLY FOR PEOPLE LIVING, SHOPPING, VISITING AND SPENDING TIME IN IT. CHARACTERISTICS INCLUDE. IT HAS A CENTER, IN THIS CASE A MAIN STREET OR A PUBLIC SQUARE. WE HAVE A PARK, ENOUGH PEOPLE FOR BUSINESS AND ACTIVITY TO FLOURISH, MIXED INCOME AND MIXED USE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, NEARBY PARKS AND PUBLIC SPACES TO GATHER AND PLAY, DESIGN FOR PEDESTRIAN USE CLOSE TO SCHOOLS AND WORKPLACES. STREETS DESIGNED FOR BICYCLES, PEDESTRIANS, PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES AND PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. WE DON'T HAVE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, BUT WE HAVE STAR TRANSIT. THERE'S LOTS OF OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE SOME CULTURAL RELATIONSHIP WITH STAR TRANSIT. SO. LET'S START TALKING ABOUT ARMSTRONG PARK CULTURAL DISTRICT IN DUNCANVILLE, TEXAS. RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE ALL THE ELEMENTS FOR A FAVORABLE APPLICATION. RECOGNIZE THERE ARE CULTURAL ASSETS ALL OVER THE CITY. THERE'S POTENTIAL ALL OVER THE CITY. BUT WHAT IS GOING TO HAVE THE MOST SUCCESSFUL APPLICATION TO THE TEXAS COMMISSION FOR THE ARTS? I USE THIS EXAMPLE. THIS WEEKEND I WENT TO A PLAY AT THE KALITA HUMPHREYS THEATER. KALITA HUMPHREYS IS A HISTORIC THEATER. IT WAS DESIGNED BY FRANK LLOYD WRIGHT. IT'S IN A BEAUTIFUL PARK. SAW A GREAT PLAY. ALL LOCALS. HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CULTURAL DISTRICT. SO IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE BEGIN TO SEPARATE AN APPLICATION FOR A CULTURAL DISTRICT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CULTURAL ASSET INVENTORY ALL OVER THE CITY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET THE BEST OPPORTUNITY FOR IT. FOR A SUCCESSFUL APPLICATION. I

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WE'RE GIVING THEM MORE REASONS TO LOVE IT. IT'S A PUBLIC SPACE. ALL THE PUBLIC MONEY GOES INTO A PUBLIC SPACE. PRIVATE MONEY GOES INTO SOMETHING EVERYBODY CAN SHARE. COMPLICATIONS. IF YOU PUT IF YOU PUT IN PRIVATE SPACE, WHAT HAPPENS IF SOMEBODY GOES OUT OF BUSINESS? OR WHAT HAPPENS IF SOMEBODY SELLS, OR WHAT HAPPENS IF THINGS GO UNTOWARD? THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN A CULTURAL DISTRICT, BUT BEFORE WE CALLED IT A CULTURAL DISTRICT, WE CALLED IT A PARK. THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY MUST WORK TOGETHER. THIS IS REALLY CRITICAL. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ARTS COMMISSION SITTING AROUND A TABLE. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SITTING AROUND A TABLE. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE PARKS SITTING AROUND A TABLE. WE'RE STAKEHOLDERS. I BELIEVE THE COMMUNITY IS GOING TO FALL IN LOVE WITH THIS. WE ALREADY HAVE FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY WHO STEP UP AND SAY HOW CAN I SUPPORT THE ARTS COMMISSION? HOW CAN I GET INVOLVED IN THIS SIGNAGE AND BRANDING? ONE OF THE THINGS WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT IS HOW DO WE MARKET THE CITY? WELL, WE HAVE A CULTURAL DISTRICT.

IT'S ALREADY THERE. LET'S CREATE A COOL BRAND AROUND IT. BANNERS. MAKE SURE KIOSK MACHINES, LOTS OF THINGS HAPPENING THAT ARE FREE. SOME THINGS THAT ARE TICKETED, BOTH OF THEM. I'LL SAY THIS IF WE CALL IT A CULTURAL DISTRICT, IF WE USE IT AS A CULTURAL DISTRICT, IT WILL BE OUR CULTURAL DISTRICT THAT I USE THIS AS AN EXAMPLE. THIS IS A SIGN OUT FRONT. KINGSVILLE, AN HISTORIC PARK SIGN PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE REPLACED IF WE REPLACE IT WITH THE WORDS CULTURAL DISTRICT, WE'RE HALFWAY THERE AND EVERYONE CAN CALL IT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE. SO THIS IS WHAT I ASKED ARTS COMMISSION ON TUESDAY. LET'S AGREE. SO THERE WAS WE HAD A VOTE I AGREE TONIGHT THE NAME ARMSTRONG PARK CULTURAL DISTRICT BOUNDARIES. ARMSTRONG PARK, LOTS OF OTHER THINGS TO TALK ABOUT WITH LOTS OF OTHER PEOPLE. CDMX IS A CULTURAL DISTRICT MANAGEMENT ENTITY. I KNOW WHO I THINK THAT SHOULD BE FUNDING POLICIES, METHODOLOGIES, PRIORITIES AND METRICS. THIS IS SOMETHING THE ARTS COMMISSION IS ALREADY LEANING TO ALREADY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, WELL, HOW TO BECOME FUNDERS IN THE ARTS, WHICH FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, WAS WHAT A PROPER ARTS COMMISSION SHOULD BE. WE FUND THE ARTS PROGRAM DEVELOPMENT, TRACKING AND FUNDING OFF CAMPUS DEVELOPMENT. EVERYONE SAYS, WHAT ABOUT WHAT ABOUT WHAT ABOUT WHAT ABOUT OTHER PARTS THAT ARE NOT WITHIN ARMSTRONG PARK? THERE ABSOLUTELY IMPORTANT TO THIS. I CALL IT OFF CAMPUS DEVELOPMENT. I CALL THEM CULTURAL CORRIDORS, WHICH IS NOT A TERM THAT I COINED. A LOT OF MUNICIPALITIES, THEY CREATE THESE THESE BRIDGE WAYS FROM A CULTURAL DISTRICT TO COMMERCIAL SPACE. AND OUR SPACE. WE HAVE LOTS OF PLACES THAT WE THINK COULD CONNECT AS SOME OF OUR ORIGINAL MAPPING. WE HAD SOME PLACES THAT WE THOUGHT COULD CONNECT, BUT THERE'S WALLS, THERE'S PLACES THAT AREN'T WALKABLE, THERE'S BROKEN SIDEWALKS, THERE'S BUILDINGS, THERE'S SHOPS THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ARTS AND CULTURE. SO HOW DOES AN ACTIVITY AND NEW AND NEW ENERGY BETWEEN A CULTURAL DISTRICT CREATE NEW ENERGY INTO SPACES AROUND THE CULTURAL DISTRICT? LOCAL STAKEHOLDER DEVELOPMENT? YOU TELL ME. I'M NOT GOING TO TRY TO BRING THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER. THIS IS GOING TO BE A COMMUNITY WIDE EFFORT. ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS ABOUT THE ARTS DISTRICT, I KNOW EVERYONE WHO'S BEEN PART OF HIS NOSE IS ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS ABOUT WHEN THE ARTS COMMISSION RINGS ITS BELL. PEOPLE WHO NORMALLY DON'T COME TO THE SAME ROOM TO SHARE THE SAME THING, TO SUPPORT THE SAME THING. THEY COME TO SUPPORT THE ARTS. AND WE'VE SEEN IT TIME AND TIME AND TIME AGAIN. THE ARTS COMMISSION WITH WITH PARKS AND DCDC AND THE CULTURAL DISTRICT, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRING THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY TOGETHER IN A WAY IT HASN'T. AND WITH THE CULTURAL DISTRICT DESIGNATION, NEW OPPORTUNITIES FOR FUNDING FOR REGIONAL, STATE AND FEDERAL PARTNERS. SO THAT'S MY VERY BRISK BRIEFING. I WANTED YOU TO KNOW THAT THE ARTS COMMISSION LAST WEEK, WE VOTED FOR A NAME AND A BOUNDARY RECOMMENDATION, AND THE JUSTIFICATIONS FOR IT. SO I STAND FOR QUESTIONS. WHAT WAS THE VOTE? TWO TWO WERE MISSING AND IT WAS ONE OPPOSE. HOW MANY WERE IN THERE? THERE WAS I THINK IT WAS SIX, 6 TO 1.

THERE WAS 6 TO 1. I THINK IT WA. WHAT I'M WHAT I'M HEARING THIS. I'M HEARING THE LOSS OF THE HISTORIC NAME OF ARMSTRONG PARK. AND SECONDLY, WHY NOT MAIN STREET CULTURAL DISTRICT SINCE THAT SEEMS TO BE WHERE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS GOING INT. LOOK AT ALL OF MAIN STREET AS BEING HOUSING, ARTS AND PLACES OF ART AND IT GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE BUILDING THAT COULD

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DENTON HAS A CULTURAL DISTRICT, BUT IT'S AROUND THEIR TOWN SQUARE, SO I THE ONLY REASON I SAY THAT, BECAUSE I GET THE VISION AND WHAT I HOPE IS THE VISION WILL CHANGE TO WE HAVE A CULTURAL DISTRICT RIGHT NOW AS IT IS, AS IT STANDS, WE CAN LEAN INTO THIS AND REALLY SHOW OFF OUR CULTURAL DISTRICT. THIS ACTIVITY CAN CREATE CULTURAL CORRIDORS THAT GO TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING, AND THEY GO TO OTHER PROPERTIES NORTH THAT GO TO OTHER PROPERTIES IN OTHER DIRECTION. PART OF IT I FEEL LIKE IF THE PUBLIC LEANS INTO A PUBLIC SPACE AND IS TRULY VIBRANT AND IS TRULY ENERGETIC, THAT THE LOCAL ENTREPRENEURS ARE GOING TO STEP UP AND THEY'RE GOING TO SEE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COLLECT METRICS. FOR INSTANCE, LET'S SAY THAT WE HAVE A JAZZ PROGRAM AND WE HAVE IT. AND PART OF THIS IS WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF SPECIAL EVENTS AND POP UPS, BUT WE ALSO DO SOMETHING THAT'S REGULAR. SO EVERY YEAR, EVERY SECOND THURSDAY IS JAZZ. A PARK, JAZZ AT THE DISTRICT. SO LET'S SAY THAT WE DO THAT ALL THE TIME AND EVERYONE SHOWS UP. WE'RE COLLECTING THE METRICS. WE KNOW WHAT PEOPLE LIKE AND WHERE THEY LIKE, AND WHAT RESTAURANTS ARE GOING TO. SO THE OPPORTUNITY IS YOU CAN REACH OUT TO THE LOCAL BUSINESSES WHO SAY, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT'S HAPPENING. DO YOU WANT TO DEVELOP YOUR PROGRAM AND MARKETING AROUND WHAT'S ALREADY HAPPENING? AND THIS IS HAPPENING IN A PRIVATE PARK, SO EVERYONE GO TO IT'S FREE. YOU CAN THROW OUT YOUR PICNIC BLANKETS. MAYBE LATER ON THEY WANT TO HAVE SOME TICKETED EVENTS, BUT IT'S THERE IF YOU HAVE IT SOME OTHER PLACES UNDERSTAND WHAT MAKES THIS UNIQUE TO DUNCANVILLE IS WE HAVE A PARK. I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO RESIST THE EFFORT TO MAKE A BISHOP ARTS. THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY TELLS ME. CAN WE MAKE IT LIKE BISHOP ARTS ONE? BISHOP ARTS IS NOT A CULTURAL DISTRICT, AND BISHOP ARTS IS NUTS. AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS IT WHAT I WOULD HOPE TO DO IS A PARK WOULD ENCOURAGE INCITEMENT FROM LOCAL BUSINESS OWNERS TO CREATE SOMETHING. NOT THAT THIS CREATES THAT THING. WHILE WE WERE IN HTML, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WERE MENTIONED IN THE SESSION THAT WE ATTENDED BANKING FOR THE ARTS WAS THAT IT NEEDS TO HAVE CONCENTRATION OF EVENTS ALREADY HAPPENING IN THE AREA. WE HAVE CONCENTRATED EVENTS ALREADY HAPPENING IN ARMSTRONG PARK. ANOTHER THING THAT WAS MENTIONED WAS YOU WANT TO BE AUTHENTIC TO WHO YOU ARE. THAT IS AUTHENTICALLY WHO DUNCANVILLE IS. IT'S WHO DUNCANVILLE HAS ALWAYS BEEN. FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, IT BRINGS EVERYBODY TOGETHER. EVERYBODY GOES THERE TO DO YOUR ACTIVITIES. WE ALREADY HAVE PERFORMING ARTS HAPPENING THERE. I DO UNDERSTAND THE MINDSET OF MAIN STREET AND CONSIDERING GOING UP MAIN STREET, BUT IS IT WALKABLE? ARE WE CURRENTLY HAVING EVENTS THERE ON A REGULAR BASIS? HOW FAR BACK DOES THAT PUSH US FROM BEING

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MR. THAT SIGN DOES NEED TO BE REPLACED. REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE DO FOR ARMSTRONG PARK. SO WHEN, WHEN ARE YOU THINKING THAT WE WOULD BE APPLYING FOR THE ACTUAL 2027 WOULD BE THE. I WOULD RECOMMEND THE LETTER OF INTENT 2027 IN JANUARY. OKAY, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS FOR WHEN WE APPLY. AND YOU KNOW, WITH A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE'RE WE'RE DISCUSSING RIGHT NOW, ESPECIALLY WITH MAIN STREET AND SOME OTHER PROJECTS IN PROXIMITY TO ARMSTRONG PARK, YOU KNOW, THE TIMING SEEMS TO BE TO MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, WE WANT ALL THESE THINGS TO ALIGN. RIGHT. AND YOU WANT TO MAKE THE RIGHT MOVES, BUT YOU ALSO WANT TO MAKE THE RIGHT MOVES AT THE RIGHT TIME. AND YOU KNOW, WHEN. AND I KIND OF HAD, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE SAME QUESTION AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, WHY NOT DOWNTOWN MAIN STREET, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE RESTAURANTS ARE. WE'RE MORE HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE WHERE WE DO PLAN ON, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, INCREASING THE WALKABILITY. YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THESE THINGS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE HOPING TO DO IN THE NEXT 2 OR 3 YEARS, RIGHT. AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS LOOKING SO I DID SOME RESEARCH ON JUST SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES, THERE'S QUITE AN EXTENSIVE LIST ON THE TEXAS COMMISSION FOR THE ARTS WEB PAGE. AND, YOU KNOW, I LOOKED AT SOME OF THE HISTORIES OF SOME OF THOSE CULTURAL DISTRICTS THAT OTHER CITIES HAVE, AND I MEAN, MOST OF THEM, THEY DO INCORPORATE MULTIPLE BLOCKS. RIGHT? A REGION DOWNTOWN OR MULTIPLE PLACES, YOU KNOW, SAN ANTONIO, WE'RE FROM SAN ANTONIO. THEY HAVE FOUR. AND ALL OF THOSE ARE VERY EXPANSIVE. AND THEY THEY DIDN'T START IN ONE AREA. THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY STARTED, YOU KNOW, WITH MORE OR LESS, YOU KNOW, THE BOUNDARIES THAT THEY HAVE NOW. AND SO WERE THERE ANY OTHER BOUNDARIES DISCUSSED? YEAH. IN THE MEETING.

SO ORIGINALLY IF YOU LOOK AT IT, IT GOES ALL THE WAY TO WHEATLAND PLAZA. IT LOOKS KIND OF LIKE NEBRASKA. THE ORIGINAL ONE THAT WE SHOWED YOU GUYS IN MARCH. AND WE PROPOSED ANOTHER PROJECT. AND SO MY QUESTION IS, DO THOSE CONTRIBUTE TO THE APPLICATION? AND IN 2027? WELL, IN 2027 THERE'S WE'RE GOING TO BRING SOME EXCERPTS IN TO HAVE THAT QUESTION SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THE TEXAS COMMISSION FOR THE ARTS LIKES TO SEE THE APPLICANT, THE APPLYING ENTITY TO HAVE TWO YEARS WORTH OF FUNDING OF AT LEAST $50,000. SO THERE IS A RECOGNITION THAT SOMETHING'S BEEN HAPPENING FOR TWO YEARS NOW. DO WILL THOSE THINGS IF IT'S NOT GOING TO IMPROVE THE APPLICATION? MY QUESTION TO YOU IS WHY DOES IT MATTER? AND I DON'T MEAN THAT IN A PEJORATIVE AT ALL. NOT EVEN A LITTLE BIT. SO MAIN STREET, THERE'S LOTS OF MAIN STREET

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WE'RE HALFWAY THERE THEREAFTER, WE'VE GOT TO DO SOME PREDICTABLE PROGRAMING WITHIN THE ARTS. WE HAVE TO DO SOME FUNDRAISING. WE HAVE TO GET SOME DEVELOPER SUPPORT. I WILL SAY THAT THE DEVELOPER THAT OWNS THOSE TWO BOOKEND PROPERTIES LOVES THE IDEA OF HAVING A CULTURAL DISTRICT IN THE PARK. SO. SO THAT'S ALL I WOULD ASK. IS IT WHAT DOES IT MAKE BETTER? DOES IT MAKE OUR APPLICATION BETTER, OR DOES IT MAKE THAT EFFORT BETTER? THAT WOULD BE THE THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY THING I WOULD ASK YOU TO CONSIDER. AND WE CAN DEFINITELY GET SOME EXPERT TESTIMONY FOR THAT. AND THEN WERE THERE ANY OTHER NAMES THAT WERE PROPOSED? NOT PROPOSED.

COMMISSIONER PERRY, DOCTOR PERRY RECOMMENDED. DO YOU REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE. THERE'S A PLACE IN LITTLE ROCK. SHE WANTED A MORE COLORFUL NAME. SHE WANTED A MORE EXPRESSIVE NAME. AND THERE'S A AND I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS CALLED, BUT THERE WAS THERE WAS A THERE WAS A PLACE IN LITTLE ROCK, SHE SAYS. IT'S BEAUTIFUL. IT'S FULL OF ARTS AND LOVELY SPACES, AND IT'S VERY INSPIRING.

AND SHE THOUGHT THE CULTURAL DISTRICT SHOULD HAVE A MORE EXCITING NAME. WELL, SO YEAH, JUST ONE, ONE MORE THOUGHT. AND AGAIN, I, YOU KNOW, I WANT A CULTURAL DISTRICT, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THIS IS IN MY DISTRICT, BY THE WAY. SO, YOU KNOW, I'M ALL FOR IT. YEAH. THE CULTURAL DISTRICT I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SEEING THE PUBLIC WITH MORE INVOLVED IN THE CONVERSATION BEFORE WE MAKE ANY DECISIONS ABOUT BOUNDARIES OR THE NAME, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THAT NAME, WE WANT THAT TO COME OUT OF, YOU KNOW, THE CULTURE OF THE CITY AND THE PUBLIC WOULD BE EXCITED TO BE INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS. AND I THINK THERE'S GREAT WAYS TO, WITH THE ARTS COMMISSION PLANNING ON PROGRAMING AND HAVING COMMITTED AND DEDICATED ARTS, BECAUSE Y'ALL, I AM CHOMPING AT THE BIT TO START PAYING FOR SOME ART. YOU KNOW WE ARE READY. THERE'S LOTS OF OPPORTUNITY, I THINK, TO YOUR POINT, TO, TO GET PUBLIC INFORMATION. I THINK ALSO WHEN WE BRING ARTISTS IN OR ARTS ORGANIZATION IN THAT THAT THE PROCESS OF DOING THAT HONESTLY, THINGS START TO BUILD A SOUND DYNAMIC. YOU KNOW, THAT MY, MY EXPERIENCE IN 20 AND 24 MONTHS AS AN ARTS COMMISSIONER IS THAT PEOPLE STEP UP, PEOPLE STEP UP TO SUPPORT THE ARTS IN WAYS THAT YOU DON'T EXPECT THEM. AND I DON'T HAVE ANY REASON TO BELIEVE THAT WHEN WE LEAN INTO REALLY, TRULY FUNDING THE ARTS THAT PEOPLE SEE IT. IT'S NOT ABOUT PLANNING. IT'S LIKE, IF WE WANT JAZZ, LET'S HIRE SOME JAZZ ARTISTS. LET'S BRING SOME NONPROFIT ARTS ORGANIZATIONS, LET'S GET THEM STARTED AND LET'S THEM LEAD THE WAY. LET THEM FIND CORPORATE SPONSORS, LET THEM FIND THEIR AUDIENCES, LET THEM FIND THEIR PATRONS. BUT WE HAVE TO GET THEM HERE. AND SO I'LL BE HONEST, I'M NOT SURE THAT IF ANYONE IS SITTING THERE IN THE PARK AND WATCHING JAZZ UNDER THE STARS AND THERE'S EXTRA FUNDING FROM THE STATE OF TEXAS BECAUSE WE GOT THAT CULTURAL DESIGNATION, I CAN'T IMAGINE ANY PERSON SAYING, WELL, WHY ISN'T THIS PROPERTY OVER HERE PART OF THE CULTURAL DISTRICT? I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE KIND OF INVISIBLE TO THE PUBLIC. WHAT THEY'LL SEE IS INCREASED ACTIVITY. I THINK I THINK AS, AS, AS COUNCIL MEMBERS, YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT. I'M LOOKING AT IT AS A COMMISSIONER, BUT I THINK THE GENERAL PUBLIC WON'T NOTICE IT. I THINK THEY'LL NOTICE THE ACTIVITY. BUSINESS MEMBERS WILL NOTICE THE ACTIVITY AND RESPOND TO IT. BUT I'M NOT SURE IF THE GENERAL PUBLIC WOULD. SO LIKE I SAID, I UNDERSTAND THE MINDSET OF WANTING TO EXTEND. BUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CULTURAL CORRIDORS, MAIN STREET COULD BE A CULTURAL CORRIDOR THAT LEADS TO IT. WHEN WE PROLONG IT AND YES, WE HAVE UNTIL 2027, BUT WE ALSO HAVE, LIKE I SAID, SHORT TERM, MEDIUM TERM, LONG TERM PROJECTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ALLOCATE FUNDS TOWARDS DOING, PUTTING IN MORE SIDEWALKS, PUTTING IN MORE WHATEVER ELSE IS NEEDED IS GOING TO COST MORE MONEY. AND THEN WE TALK ABOUT PLAN AND WE'RE PLANNING TO DO THIS, AND WE HOPE TO HAVE THIS. BUT PLANNING AND HOPING IS A SOLIDIFIED. THIS IS CURRENTLY ALREADY HAPPENING. THIS IS CURRENTLY ALREADY IN PLACE. IT'S CURRENTLY SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO REALLY PUT VERY MUCH THOUGHT AND REQUIRE MORE STAFF AND REQUIRE MORE MEETINGS TO BE ABLE TO OBTAIN THE DESIGNATION. AND IN OBTAINING THE DESIGNATION, WE

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AGAIN, I WANT TO GO BACK TO WE NEED TO BE AUTHENTIC TO WHO WE ARE. I THINK IT'S GREAT. I GO TO OTHER CULTURAL DISTRICTS AS WELL. WHEN I'M OUT ON VACATION, BUT WHO ARE WE? ARMSTRONG PARK IS WHO WE'VE BEEN FOR SO LONG AND KEEPING OUR HISTORY, KEEPING OUR CULTURE. THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT MORE SPECIAL. MAYOR, IF I MAY. YOU TOUCHED ON SOMETHING THAT I NEGLECTED TO TOUCH ON, AND THIS IS THIS IS THIS IS TO SCALE. NOTHING NEW HAS TO HAPPEN. NO NEW STAFF MEMBERS, NO NEW ACTIVITY, NO NEW ANYTHING. IT'S JUST WE'RE DOING THE SAME THINGS. WE'RE JUST DOING IT TOGETHER. TRUST ME. NOBODY HAS PUSHED ON CITY HALL STAFF MORE THAN ARTS COMMISSION. SORRY, BUT I'M VERY HYPER COGNIZANT OF WHERE BANDWIDTH IS, SO I UNDERSTAND THIS ISN'T A PARK.

PARK STAFF TAKES CARE OF IT. IF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO BE OUR CDM AND IS GOING TO BE THE POINT PERSON FOR PACKAGING, THIS BRAND NEW ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOL TO THE COMMUNITY. THEY HAVE STAFF, THEY HAVE BOARDS, ARTS COMMISSION, MAN, WE'RE GOING TO BE PUMPING ART HERE ALL DAY LONG. AND THE GREAT THING ABOUT IT IS LIKE, I KNOW THAT LATER ON YOU'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT A PRESENTATION THAT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I WOULD DEFINE IT AS A CULTURAL CORRIDOR. THEY'RE GOING TO NEED TO BE HIRING ARTISTS. SO YOU CAN SEE HOW THIS STARTS TO BECOME AN ECONOMY. SO UNDERSTAND THIS IS NOT MEANT TO BREAK THE BANK. IT'S NOT MEANT TO BREAK CITY HALL. IT'S MEANT TO. THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE. LET'S LEAN. AND WHAT DO WE HAVE? LET'S MAKE PEOPLE LOVE WHAT WE HAVE MORE AND THEN SCALE UP FROM THAT. AND ONE MORE THING. MIND YOU, AT THE END OF THE MEETING IN HTML, I SPOKE WITH A DALLAS COUNCIL MEMBER AND DESOTO COUNCIL MEMBER DALLAS IS LOOKING FOR MORE FINANCES TO BE INVESTED IN DISTRICT THREE BECAUSE IT BORDERLINES DUNCANVILLE. AND THEY WERE SAYING THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT WHAT DUNCANVILLE IS DOING. SO THAT WAY THEY CAN GO AND PROMOTE TO THEIR COUNCIL. THIS IS WHAT'S HAPPENING. AND THE DUNCANVILLE AREA, AND THIS IS WHY WE NEED TO MOVE INVESTMENT OVER IN THIS DISTRICT. THREE DESOTO. THEY ALREADY HAVE THEIR ARTS COMMISSION AS A NONPROFIT, AND THEY ARE WORKING ON A CULTURAL DISTRICT AS WELL. SO I'M JUST SAYING THE COMPETITIVE IN ME WAS TRIGGERED, SO I DON'T WANT TO RUSH TO DO IT. I WANT US TO DO IT RIGHT. I WANT US TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT IT AND I REQUEST THAT THIS BE ADDED TO THE UPCOMING COUNCIL AGENDA. SO THAT WAY WE CAN HAVE MORE DISCUSSION AND IF NECESSARY, TAKE ACTION. IF NOT, THEN WE TABLE IT. WELL, I'M SATISFIED WITH COUNCILMAN COON'S SUGGESTION THAT WE GET MORE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, AND I DON'T THINK THAT HAS TO TAKE LONG. SO I THINK WE HAVE TIME AND WE NEED TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ABOUT THIS. YEAH. YEAH. YES. SO, MR. THOMPSON, I GUESS THE QUESTION I HAVE, BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS SPACE, BUT YOU'RE HEARING US TALK BIGGER. OKAY. SO HAVE ANY CULTURAL DISTRICTS GONE BIGGER, STARTED THIS AND EXPANDED. SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE VALUE OF THAT WOULD BE. SO I KNOW SO I'M GOING TO SAY IT BECAUSE YOU GOT TWO SIDES OF MAIN STREET. IT GOES BACK A LITTLE BIT. ARE YOU SAYING YOU HAVE RESTAURANTS HERE? YOU HAVE RESTAURANTS DOWN THIS DIRECTION TOO. OKAY. SO OKAY, START LIKE THIS. SO I THINK THE FOOTPRINT.

NOW TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION SPECIFICALLY, I DON'T KNOW, EVERY TEN YEARS THEY HAVE TO COMMUNICATE WITH TCA. SO THERE'S ONGOING REPORTING. I COULD SEE HOW THE FOOTPRINT OF A CULTURAL DIFFERENT DIFFERENT CULTURAL DISTRICT CAN EXPAND. FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IF THERE'S GOING TO BE DISCUSSED AS IT EXPANDS OUT TO WHAT END? SO IS IT IS IT TO IS WILL IT ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR A CULTURAL DISTRICT? DOES IT DOES IT INCLUDE LIKE A MORE BRANDING COMPONENT? SO HERE'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. WE HAVE A PARK. IF WE'RE GOING TO BRAND THAT AS A CULTURAL DISTRICT. THAT PARK IS VERY CONTIGUOUS AND ENCLOSED. SO THE BRAND, IF YOU WALK ON THERE ON THE PARK, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE IN YOUR CULTURAL DISTRICT. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE BANNERS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE KIOSKS, THERE'S GOING TO BE NOW, IF YOU CROSS THE STREET TO MAIN STREET, IS IT STILL GOING TO LOOK LIKE THAT? WILL IT STILL BE CONTIGUOUS? WILL IT STILL HAVE THAT? I'VE JUST WALKED IN MY CULTURAL DISTRICT FILM NOW, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I THINK A VIBRANT CULTURAL DISTRICT LENDS TO DEVELOPMENT IN THOSE AREAS. I'M BY NO MEANS SAYING NO TO

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SO JUST A FOLLOW UP. SO WHAT WOULD BE DO WE HAVE TO REAPPLY? SO IF WE DECIDE AT SOME POINT TO EXPAND THE BOUNDARIES, WHAT'S THE PROCESS THERE. WELL, I KNOW, SO WHEN WE MY RECOMMENDATION AGAIN IS BASED ON THE TEXAS COMMISSION FOR THE ARTS AND THE DOCUMENT THAT YOU SAID ART, WHEN IT SAID, ARE YOU READY TO APPLY. IT'S BEING USED AS A CULTURAL DISTRICT. NOW. SO IF IT'S NOT BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO INCLUDE ANY OF THE STUFF, THAT'S SOMETHING TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION. IF, AS I SAID, WE GET THE PARK IS OUR CULTURAL DISTRICT. IT'S ALWAYS BEEN OUR CULTURAL DISTRICT HAS A HISTORY AND IT'S NOT DEFINED IF IT MAKES SENSE. AND I CAN SEE PLACES LOOK, I SEE THOSE TRANSITIONS THAT YOU SEE. BUT WHEN YOU'RE OUT THERE WALKING IT, THEY LOOK LIKE WALLS AND THEY DON'T. YOU LOOK AT A MAP, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU CAN JUST GO HERE, BUT YOU REALLY CAN'T. AND SO IF IT MAKES POSSIBLY I MEAN, WE CAN DO ANYTHING WE WANT TO DO, BUT THE WHOLE POINT OF THE TCA IS WE'RE TREATING OUR CULTURAL DISTRICT THE WAY THAT WE WANT TO.

WINNSBORO, TEXAS TEXAS HAS 3500 RESIDENTS. THEY HAVE A CULTURAL DISTRICT. SO AND IT'S NOT HUGE AND IT'S THEIR LITTLE SPACE. BUT THIS IS BUT IT'S WHAT THEY DEFINED AS THEIR SPACE. I GUESS MY QUESTION WAS, DO WE HAVE TO REAPPLY? DO WE HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH THAT PROCESS TO GROW IT? WE WANT TO EXPAND EXPAND THEM. AND, YOU KNOW, JUST YEAH, JUST THIS IS MY LAST THOUGHT ON IT.

AND, YOU KNOW, I'M A LOCAL AMATEUR HISTORIAN. I KNOW THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM WHO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THE CITY THAN I DO. AND AGAIN, I I'D BE VERY INTERESTED IN EXPLORING INPUT FOR ESPECIALLY THE NAME OF IT. AND KIND OF WITH THE MAYOR. AS FAR AS IT BEING A PARK, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT REMAINS DISTINGUISHED. AND ALSO THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO PARTS THERE. WE'RE SAYING ARMSTRONG PARK, BUT THERE'S TWO PARKS. THERE'S ALSO THE HISTORIC PARK THAT, YOU KNOW, MY HOPE IS SOMEDAY WE REVISIT THAT AS WELL. SO THAT IS ACTUALLY WITHIN THE WALKING DREAMS. AND ACTUALLY, I RECALL MAKING THAT A LIVING HISTORY MUSEUM. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN ARTS COMMISSION TO MR. MACK BURNETT. YEAH. THANK YOU MAYOR. AND THAT'S. THE. AND WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT, AT THIS THING AND THERE'S WELL NEVER MIND I'M JUST I'M, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND PASS AND JUST GO. MR. PERFECT SO MY UNDERSTANDING YOUR YOUR QUICKEST A TO B ARMSTRONG PARK I THINK SOME OF THE CONCERNS HERE, IF WE DON'T INCLUDE OTHER PARTS OF THE CULTURAL DISTRICT, THAT THEY WON'T RECEIVE THE SAME ATTENTIO. BUT THE QUIRKY WE GET FROM A TO B WITH THE PARK THAT SERVES AS AN ECONOMIC CATALYST FOR THESE CORRIDORS. AND THAT'S WHAT WE REALLY NEED THAT ATTENTION TO GET TO. SO I DON'T MEAN TO SOUND LIKE A STICK IN THE MUD, I'M JUST SAYING, BASED ON WHAT I KNOW IN THE TCA, THIS IS THIS IS GOING TO IN THE SHORTEST AMOUNT OF TIME. THIS IS OUR BEST CHANCE TO HAVE A FAVORABLE APPLICATION. THAT'S IT. I THINK THAT THAT WE AS A COMMUNITY CAN DEFINE IT AND REDEFINE IT ANY WAY THAT WE WANT TO. THE SECOND THAT THE ARTS COMMISSION CAN START WRITING GRANTS, LIKE I SAID, IF WE CALL IT A CULTURAL DISTRICT, WE'RE HALFWAY THERE RIGHT NOW. IT'S KINGSVILLE SLASH HISTORIC PARK. THAT SPLASH PAD CONTRIBUTES TO THE APPLICATION RIGHT NOW. MAIN STREET DOESN'T CONTRIBUTE TO THE APPLICATION, AND IT DOESN'T MEAN BECAUSE THERE IS A POTENTIAL OR THAT THERE AREN'T CULTURAL ASSETS. THEY JUST DON'T CONTRIBUTE TO THE APPLICATION. RIGHT NOW, IT IS. IT IS THAT SIMPLE. SO I'M NOT MEANING TO BE A STICK IN THE MUD AND THAT IS ALL. AND YOU KNOW, IF THERE WANTED TO BE MORE LONG TERM DISCUSSION ON IT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING COMMITTEE AND OTHER THOSE, I THINK THE

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PROMISE? MY LAST THOUGHT. BUT YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S ACTUALLY A GOOD QUESTION. SO AS FAR AS THE BOUNDARIES, IF YOU KNOW WHERE WE HAVE THOSE BOUNDARIES DEFINED AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ECONOMIC BENEFIT OR AT LEAST THE FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES THAT THEY WOULD BE LIMITED TO, WHAT'S WITHIN THOSE BOUNDARIES IF WE EXPAND THAT TO OTHER AREAS AROUND THE PARK, THEN AS FAR AS FUNDING THAT NOW THOSE OPPORTUNITIES ARE NOW EXPANDED TO THOSE AREAS THAT NOT NECESSARILY I KNOW, YOU KNOW, JUST BY PROXIMITY, BUT IF THERE ARE THINGS HAPPENING THAT THAT MUST BE WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE DISTRICT THAT ARE BEING FUNDED AND THEY'RE LIMITED TO THE BOUNDARIES OF THE DISTRICT. YES. AND WITH THAT, SO ONCE WE HAVE THE DESIGNATION AND WE'RE RECEIVING, WE'RE NOW AVAILABLE OR BETTER ABLE TO APPLY FOR FUNDING THAT RELIEVES SOME OF THE ASK FROM THE CITY STAFF AND THE CITY BUDGET. YES, WE STILL GET THE 15%. WE'RE STILL GOING TO ASK FOR THE 15%. HOWEVER, ANY ADDITIONAL ASK OUTSIDE OF THAT COULD BE FUNDED THROUGH OTHER MEANS AND THEN THEREFORE THAT ALLEVIATES OR MAKE POSSIBLE FOR THE MONEY TO BE MORE AVAILABLE TO BE REALLOCATED SOMEWHERE ELSE. SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SAY. SO YES, IT MIGHT ONLY BENEFIT THE CULTURAL DISTRICT, THE GRANTS, BUT ANY OTHER GRANTS THAT WE WOULD HAVE BEEN HAVING TO SUPPORT ARTS COMMISSION WOULD HAVE HAD TO REQUEST. THEY'RE NO LONGER HAVE TO REQUEST THE FUNDING BECAUSE THEY HAVE GRANTS FOR IT. SO THEREFORE, NOW THAT MONEY CAN BE REALLOCATED IN DIFFERENT AREAS TO BENEFIT THE CORRIDORS AS WELL. THANK. YOU ALSO KNOW I'M ON THE AGENDA TO SPEAK AT THE PARKS TO TALK ABOUT THIS. I'M WAITING TO HEAR BACK IF I'M GOING TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING COMMITTEE. AND I'VE BEEN INVITED TO SPEAK TO DCDC. SO I'M GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THESE THINGS. SO YOU'RE GOING TO GET YOU'RE GOING TO GET A MORE ROBUST RESPONSE FROM THIS BECAUSE THIS IS THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE INPUT. OKAY. YES. SO THAT'S ONE THING. THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT EARLIER. AND I'M GLAD YOU'RE TALKING TO MR. STEVENSON BECAUSE, MR. STEVENSON, I'D KIND OF LIKE TO ASK YOU, WHAT'S THE NEW PROGRAM THAT'S GOING IN THAT ACTUALLY HAS THIS HOMETOWN HEROES AND HISTORIC AND INFORMATION AS WELL TO. THE HOMETOWN HEROES PROGRAM IS SOMETHING WE'RE PROJECTING FOR WHEATLAND ROAD, NOT FOR THE PARK, PER SE, BUT I DID ATTEND THE MEETING WITH THE ARTS COMMISSION, AND I'LL SHARE WITH THE COUNCIL AS WELL THAT THE PARKS STAFF AND IS WELL ON BOARD WITH THE EFFORTS TO BRING ARTS TO THE PARK. AND WE HAD SOME SOME OF OUR OWN ON HOW TO DO THAT BEFORE ALL THIS EVEN CAME UP. SO WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO GROW OUR COMMUNITY WHEN IT COMES TO OUR PARKS AS WELL. SO. AND FUNDING THAT WOULD BECOME AVAILABLE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO APPLY FOR COULD ALSO GO TO BEING INVESTED IN OTHER AREAS THROUGH PUTTING, INSERTING ART IN OTHER AREAS OUTSIDE OF THE CULTURAL DISTRICT. SO AS LONG AS IT'S ARTS RELATED, IT COULD BE INVESTED IN OTHER AREAS. I WOULD BELIEVE IT WOULD QUALIFY OUTSIDE OF THE ARTS DISTRICT. SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY JUST ONLY REQUIRED JUST FOR THE ARTS DISTRICT. TO HER POINT, MY, MY, MY BACKGROUND IS IN ARTS DEVELOPMENT, ARTS, FUNDRAISING FOR THE ARTS. SO I KNOW THAT ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES OF HAVING A CULTURAL DISTRICT IS BRAND NEW EYES. IF WE HAVE BRAND NEW EYES ON A PUBLIC SPACE, LIKE IF YOU LOOK AT THE IF YOU LOOK AT THE ARTS DISTRICT, IF YOU LOOK AT DEEP ELLUM, IF YOU LOOK AT FAIR PARK, THERE ARE VERY DEFINED PLACES AND THEY'RE VERY NONE OF THEM. THEY'RE ALL IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, BUT THEY DON'T LOOK ALIKE. AND SO IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE THE DEEP ELLUM FOUNDATION, YOU CAN RAISE PRIVATE FUNDS OR INSTITUTIONAL FUNDING SPECIFICALLY FOR DEEP ELLUM. AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE TO THINK ABOUT. IF WE'RE RAISING FUNDS FOR, FOR A PUBLIC PARK, FUNDERS LIKE SPECIFICITY. AND THEN IF YOU TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WAYS THAT IT MOVES OUT, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT CULTURAL CORRIDORS OR HOW THE ENERGY OR THE FOOTPRINT OF A CULTURAL DISTRICT, I THINK THERE'S LOTS OF OPPORTUNITIES TO, TO, TO, TO LEVERAGE. BUT BUT FUNDING IS IMPORTANT TOO. LIKE LIKE LIKE LIKE I SAID, I BELIEVE THAT THIS

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WE CAN PUT THE QUESTIONNAIRES, WE CAN PUT THE WE CAN PUT THE METRIC TRACKING. WE CAN SAY, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT A CULTURAL DISTRICT? YOU KNOW, WE DO THAT ON OUR MIXERS. IF YOU NOTICE IN YOUR MIXERS THERE'S ALWAYS THERE'S ALWAYS THESE PLACES WHERE PEOPLE CAN PUT THEIR OPINIONS IN AND BASICALLY IT'S MORE, MORE, MORE, MORE ART. THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT IT ALWAYS IS. BUT I THINK WE CAN DO IT ALL AT THE SAME TIME. SO AGAIN, IF LOOK, ALL WE JUST DECIDE THIS IS OUR CULTURAL DISTRICT. LIKE LIKE WINK WINK, THIS IS OUR CULTURAL DISTRICT AND WE'RE GOING TO TREAT IT LIKE A CULTURAL DISTRICT. PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COME, THEY'RE GOING TO SEE THE QUESTIONNAIRES. SO THE QUESTION IS, WHAT DO YOU WANT IN A CULTURAL DISTRICT? YEAH. AND I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE WE'RE THE PAUSE IS NOT A VERY LONG PAUSE BECAUSE YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB AS USUAL. THE ARTS COMMISSION AND YOURSELF DOES A GREAT JOB IN COMMUNICATING TO US THESE THESE PASSIONATE IDEAS THAT YOU HAVE. AND WE CAN'T HELP BUT TO AGREE THAT, YEAH, WE WANT TO GO FORWARD WHEN WE COME HERE FOR TODAY WAS UNDER THE, I GUESS, THE AGENDA ITEM WAS THE PROPOSED NAMING. SO WITH THAT, IF WE GO BACK TO THE NAMING PORTION AND WE RUN INTO SOME OTHER IDEAS ABOUT THAT, WE'D LIKE TO ENTERTAIN, IT'S UP TO US TO AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, FIND OUT A WAY TO ENTERTAIN THOSE DISCUSSIONS AND ENGAGEMENTS SO THAT WE DON'T HOLD YOU UP UNNECESSARILY AND GET BACK TO YOU RIGHT? YOU'RE PART OF THE ENGAGEMENT. SO YOU'RE THERE WITNESSING WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING. OH, SO LIKE FROM ARTS COMMISSION, NONE OF THIS IS GOING TO SLOW US DOWN. I MEAN, 24 MONTHS, WE'RE READY. WE'RE GOING TO GO. THE ARTS IS GOING TO HAPPEN. IT'S GOING TO BE VIBRANT. IT'S EXCITING. WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH EVERYBODY WHO WANTS TO WORK WITH US. WELL, THAT'S GREAT. AND SO ALL THIS WILL COME TOGETHER TO HAVE.

YEAH. THE OTHER THE OTHER PART IS NOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT EXPANDING AND I GET CLEARLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT EXPANDING AT THIS TIME MIGHT NOT BE THE BEST IDEA. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO CONTINUE THAT CONVERSATION. WE CAN DO THAT AS WELL. I'M NOT HEARING THAT AS MUCH AS I'M HEARING. LET'S TALK ABOUT THE NAME. SO I THINK THAT'S STILL ON THE TABLE. WELL, MY ONLY QUESTION IS WHEN DOES THE CLOCK START TICKING FOR THE 24 MONTHS? THE SECOND THAT WE CAN DEMONSTRATE WE'RE TREATING THIS LIKE A CULTURAL DISTRICT.

SO IN MY MIND, 1970 SOMETHING, WE STARTED TREATING IT LIKE A CULTURAL DISTRICT. ARTS COMMISSION HAS A REALLY CRITICAL ROLE IN THIS. BUT AT SOME POINT IT STOPS BEING ABOUT THE ARTS COMMISSION, THE ARTS COMMISSION'S ROLE IN THIS IS WE HAVE TO STANDARDIZE AND CREATE BEST PRACTICES. SO THAT FUNDING HAPPENS, AND WE RECRUIT NONPROFIT ARTS ORGANIZATIONS TO COME HERE. SO ONCE IT BECOMES OUR JOB TO BE ARTS FUNDERS, BECAUSE THESE THINGS HAVE TO BE PREDICTABLE. AND SO IT'S NOT JUST THAT THE NINE MEMBERS OF THE ARTS COMMISSION GET TOGETHER AND DO A JAZZ PROGRAM. IT'S THAT A JAZZ ORGANIZATION IS HERE AND CREATED A HOME HERE AND IS DOING JAZZ PROGRAMING. SO THERE'S SO FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF ARTS COMMISSION, WE'VE GOT TO BE REALLY STRATEGIC IN THE WAY THAT WE DEVELOP OUR BEST PRACTICES AND WE DEVELOP OUR METRICS AND OUR FUNDING PROTOCOLS. SO ALL THAT MEANS IT'S A IT'S A IT'S A PIPELINE.

SO HOW DO YOU DEFINE WHEN IT STARTED THOUGH? I MEAN, HOW ARE WE GOING TO WHEN IS I MEAN I WANT TO GET TO THAT TWO YEARS AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE. SO IS THERE SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL CAN DO OR IS THERE SOME SORT OF AN ACTIVITY THAT BECOMES A REGULAR ACTIVITY? IS THAT WHEN IT HAPPENS OR. WELL, IF YOU CAN REPAIR THE SIGN OF THE CULTURAL DISTRICT UNDER IT, I THINK WE'RE HALFWAY THERE. THAT'S THE WAY THAT I LOOK AT IT. AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, I'VE BEEN INVITED. I'M AGENDAS HAVE BEEN INVITED TO OTHER YOU'RE GOING TO GET SOME MORE FEEDBACK AND I COMPLETE THE THINGS THAT WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT AT THIS TABLE ARE THINGS THAT THAT WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT. AND THE THINGS THAT I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT. IF I THOUGHT THERE WAS A SUPER

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THIS IS JUST THE QUICKEST WAY. SO ONE FINAL POINT TO EDUCATING THE PUBLIC AND HAVING THEM UNDERSTAND WHAT A CULTURAL DISTRICT IS, AND THEN ASK FOR THEIR FEEDBACK. I COMPLETELY SUPPORT THAT. I KNOW WE'RE NOT TAKING A CONSENSUS ON ANYTHING BECAUSE IT WAS JUST A DISCUSSION, BUT I DID ASK FOR THIS ITEM TO BE BROUGHT BACK TO COUNCIL. IS THAT SOMETHING WE WANT TO HOLD OFF ON? NOT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, BUT POSSIBLY GIVE US SOME TIME TO GO HOME, THINK ABOUT IT AND THEN ADD IT TO A FUTURE AGENDA. YEAH, BECAUSE I THINK SOME OF THE THOUGHTS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP HERE ARE GOING TO TAKE SOME MORE THOUGHT. DOESN'T HAVE TO TAKE LONG TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE NEED TO GO NEXT TO COME BACK WITH OUR RESPONSE. INDIVIDUAL RESPONSES.

SOME OF SOME ARE ON BOARD JUST THE WAY IT IS. I UNDERSTAND THAT AND RESPECT THAT. I DON'T WANT TO SLOW DOWN. I CAN'T SLOW HIM DOWN. SO BUT THE PASSION, THE PASSION THAT THEY ALL HAVE IS, IS GOING TO BE THERE. BUT WE NEED TO WORK ON THIS FAIRLY QUICKLY. SO I HAVE IT SCHEDULED FOR NOVEMBER 19TH. HOW ABOUT WE PUSH IT TO DECEMBER THAT WELL, I DON'T AS AS AN ACTION ITEM.

THAT'S WHAT I WOULD I WOULD WANT TO WAIT UNTIL AFTER WE GOT FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN KIND OF EDUCATED. WE LET THE PUBLIC KNOW WHAT WE'RE WANTING TO DO. ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS LET THEM KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, AND THEN ALSO TO GET SOME FEEDBACK ON THE NAME AND THE BOUNDARIES FROM THE PUBLIC. I WOULDN'T WANT TO TAKE ANY ACTION. ON WHAT KIND OF TIMELINE DO YOU THINK, DO YOU THINK THAT WOULD TAKE? YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, THAT'S.

AS FAR AS WHEN THAT CAN HAPPEN, WE HAVE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT ADDED FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT THEN THAT EXPANDS IT ALL THE WAY UP TO MONTHS. SO IS THERE ANY OPPORTUNITY FOR FAST, QUICK PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT BY WHEN IS WHEN DO YOU ALL. SO WE MEET AGAIN. THE COMP PLAN MEETS AGAIN NOVEMBER 6TH, AND AT THAT POINT I'M THINKING WE'RE DISCUSSING HOW WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. AND OTHER ITEMS. BUT WHAT WAS TOLD TO US THAT'S GOING TO BE OPEN FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS. AND THEN RECEIVE THAT INFORMATION, COMPILE IT, AND THEN PRESENT IT BACK TO THE STEERING COMMITTEE IN 2025. IF IT'S HELPFUL TO THINK ABOUT, WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO CREATE A TASK FORCE THAT'S GOING TO HAVE THE COMMUNITY INVOLVED, STAKEHOLDERS INVOLVED.

WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO HAVE A LITTLE INFRASTRUCTURE WITH WITH DCDC, AS ARE APPLYING. SO THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME WE HAVE TO HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO BRING MORE PEOPLE IN AS WELL. WHEN THE TIME COMES. I MEAN, LIKE FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, WE GET THIS, I CALL IT CULTURAL DISTRICT. THE SECOND ARTS COMMISSION START WRITING CHECKS OR WRITING CHECKS. YOUR SAYING THAT YOUR PROCESS WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE COMMITTEE IS GOING TO BE A COUPLE OF MONTHS. SO DOES THAT SOUND REASONABLE WHEN A COUPLE OF MONTHS TOWN HALL IS IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS, THE TOWN HALL IS IN. SO THE TOWN. WHAT WAS THE DATES? I KNOW NOVEMBER 6TH WE MEET AGAIN. NOVEMBER 6TH WE WOULD TALK ABOUT THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND MARCH. TOWN HALL STARTS IN 2025. SECOND. NO, BECAUSE WE'RE EFFICIENT. WE WANT YOU ALREADY HAVE THE JUST DOING EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED TO. YEAH. I WOULDN'T WANT TO WAIT THAT LONG. THAT'S THAT'S DOWNTOWN AS WELL. BUT SO THEN WE NEED TO THEN GET POSSIBLY OUR PIO TO START RELEASING INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC ON SOCIAL MEDIA PAGES THAT SEEMED LIKE THAT WOULD BE A MORE FASTER APPROACH. AND GETTING THINGS OUT THE WAY THE LIBRARY BOARD DID THEIRS, THAT WAS PRETTY EFFECTIVE AND LIGHTLY MANNED, AND IT WAS GOING OUT TO THE PARK AND PEOPLE AT THE LIBRARY. IS THAT SOMETHING I DON'T KNOW ANYONE HERE FROM TALKING ABOUT THE SURVEY, THE SURVEY THEY DID. RIGHT. AND THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE CITY COULD GET BEHIND WITH. I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW THEY DID THAT. SO THAT WAS THE FRIENDS. BUT IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE ARTS COMMISSION COULD DO THAT WAY? I MEAN, Y'ALL COULD. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE ALWAYS, LIKE I SAID, IS WE HAVE FEEDBACK. YOU'LL ALSO KNOW THERE'S MEMBERS IN THIS. YEAH, THERE'S COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. WE'RE ALREADY HAVE THEM ON THE AGENDA TO TALK ABOUT METRICS TRACKING WITH WITH WITH WITH TOBY. WE HAVE MEMBERS IN THIS AUDIENCE. PEOPLE COME TO THE ARTS COMMISSION. WE RESPOND. AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS HAPPENING THAT WE, THE ARTS COMMISSION, IS IMMENSELY RESPONSIVE AND ALL OUR MIXERS AND PEOPLE COME AND SAY, HEY, I

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IT'S ALWAYS A FEEDBACK. ARTS COMMISSION HAS ALWAYS INCLUDED FEEDBACK IN EVERYTHING THAT WE DO. EXCELLENT. SO, MARY, I'M GOING TO SUGGEST, SINCE COUNCIL MEMBER GIDDENS, THE ARTS LIAISON STUFF, IS A YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO PUSH IT TOO FAR, BUT JUST LET HER USE HER GUIDANCE AND KNOWLEDGE TO SUGGEST WHEN HE GOES BACK ON THE AGENDA. SOMETIME. OKAY. I THINK WE'RE GOOD THERE. ALL RIGHT. I APPRECIATE IT. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. THE ARTS. THIS IS EXCITING. I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD JOB. MY FEEDBACK IS I TOLD YOU TO BE BRIEF BECAUSE I'M OUT. THREE MINUTES. ALL. NOW WE NEED TO GET SOMETHING UP. I'M ABOUT

[A. Settlement and Release Agreement between Casey Lending, LLC, and the City of Duncanville]

AND THAT WAS THE LAST LIEN LEFT ON THIS PROPERTY. YES. WHEN WE'RE SETTLING. YES. YEAH. ANY QUESTIONS. YOU GOT YOU GOT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. OKAY. ITEM AGENDA ITEM C

[C. Briefing on SB 1893 requiring the adoption of a policy for prohibiting the installation of TikTok and certain other social media applications and services on governmental devices.]

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SO TIKTOK OR ANY SUCCESSOR APP DEVELOPED BY THAT DEVELOPER. AND THEN ANOTHER THE OTHER COVERED APPLICATION THAT SAYS A SOCIAL MEDIA APPLICATION OR SERVICE SPECIFIED BY PROCLAMATION OF THE GOVERNMENT, GOVERNMENT UNDER GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 620 .005. SO I GUESS MY QUESTION. SO OUR PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER WILL BE ALLOWED TO HAVE HE HE WILL NOT BE ALLOWED ON HIS COMMUNICATION DEVICES. NO, HE WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO USE THEM FOR AS LONG AS IT IS CITY OWNED, CITY LEASED OR USED FOR CITY PURPOSES. THAT DOESN'T HINDER YOUR JOB AT ALL. AS FAR AS THE COMMUNICATIONS THAT YOU DO, YOU DON'T USE ANY OF THOSE APPS FOR WHAT YOU DO FOR THE CITY. YEAH, SHARE WHAT WE'VE GOT. OKAY, SO I HAVE A PERSONAL DEVICE THAT I DO USE FOR WORK THAT IS NOT CONNECTED TO THE NETWORK. IT IS NOT. IT USES THE PUBLIC WI-FI, NOT THE INTERNAL WI-FI. AND WITH SPROUT SOCIAL, WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE WAY TO CREATE A POST ON SPROUT SOCIAL. THAT POST THROUGH SPROUT SOCIAL WILL GET SENT TO MY PHONE. I'LL GET A NOTIFICATION. IT'LL OPEN TIKTOK.

I DOWNLOAD THE VIDEO FILE, COPY THE TEXT ON MY OWN PHONE, POST TO TIKTOK WITHOUT IT TOUCHING ANYTHING INTERNAL. SO I GOT. SO WE WORKED OUT A WORKAROUND. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. BECAUSE THERE'S I MEAN, THERE'S A BIG AUDIENCE OUT THERE THAT WE'RE MISSING WITH TIKTOK, AND WE REALLY WANT TO CAPTURE THAT, BUT WE CAN DO THAT WHILE ABIDING BY THE LAW. I CAN CLAIM TO SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE TO DO THIS ANYWAYS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO CORRECT IT SOUNDS LIKE HE'S ALREADY WORKED OUT HOW HE'S GOING TO DEAL WITH IT. SO YEAH, I WAS VERY HAPPY THAT SPROUT SOCIAL ALLOWS US TO DO THAT. WE WERE TRYING NOT TO SAY THAT OUT LOUD SO THE STATE DOESN'T THEN BAN US FROM DOING THAT. BUT NOW WE'VE SAID IT OUT LOUD. YEAH, YEAH, YOU'LL FIGURE IT OUT. IT'S YEAH, IT'S ON MY PERSONAL PHONE AND IT DOESN'T TOUCH ANYTHING THAT IS CITY OWNED. SO BUT WE WILL BRING THE FINALIZED POLICY BACK TO YOU NOVEMBER 19TH BECAUSE OUR DEADLINE IS NOVEMBER 20TH. AND THIS, THIS IS PRETTY CLEAR TO ME, BUT LET ME MAKE SURE A CITY EMPLOYEE ON THEIR PERSONAL PHONE AT WORK, USING THE CITY WI-FI CAN CONNECT WITH TIKTOK. I'M NOT USING THE ACTUAL SECURE WI-FI. OKAY? SO I MEAN, TECHNICALLY I JUST USE CELL SERVICE FOR THAT ANYWAY. OKAY. GOTCHA. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. OKA. AGENDA ITEM D CITY COUNCIL TO RECEIVE A BRIEFING AND DISCUSS

[D. City Council to receive a briefing and discuss items including the 2018 Bond Project(s), ARPA, and a proposed 15-year Capital Improvement Plan.]

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DOUG, YOU'VE GOT A COUPLE OTHER PEOPLE ON HERE. YOU WANT TO. YEAH, I'M GOING TO ACTUALLY JUST LET JENNIFER AND RICHARD. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE GOING TO JUMP IN FIRST OR WE'LL LET JENNIFER GO FIRST. WE'RE GOING TO BREAK IT UP HERE FOR YOU. SO THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. SO YES, THIS WILL BE A TAG TEAM EVENT BETWEEN MR. FINCH, MR. JACKSON AND MYSELF.

SO JUST TO KIND OF KICK IT OFF ON OUR CONVERSATIONS ON CIP, SO KIND OF THE FLOW OF THE REST OF TODAY, HOW IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE. WE'RE GOING TO RECAP APRIL NINTH, THE CIP MEETING THAT WE HAD BACK IN APRIL WHEN YOU WERE GIVEN THAT BIG LONG LIST OF ITEMS THERE, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT BOND SPECIFICALLY AND RECOMMENDED FUNDING SOURCES SO WE CAN COMPLETE THOSE BOND PROJECTS. SO HOPEFULLY AT THE END OF THE NIGHT, THE GOAL AT LEAST IF WE ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING TONIGHT, IT WOULD BE TO AGREE ON A PATH FORWARD TO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THE REST OF THOSE BOND PROJECTS. OKAY. AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT FUNDING SOURCES BY PROJECT TYPE, AND THEN WE'LL LEAD IT INTO OUR CIP DISCUSSION. AND PLANNING. AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'VE GOT SOME SOME ACTIVITIES FOR YOU HERE SHORTLY. SO JUST AS A RECAP, YOU SEE RIGHT THERE ON THE WALL, WE SAVED THE PRINTOUT FROM OUR APRIL MEETING. BUT THIS HAS WHEN WE MET BACK IN APRIL, YOU REMEMBER WE WENT THROUGH THE EXERCISE. I DIVIDED YOU ALL INTO SMALL GROUPS, SO YOU ALL KIND OF LOOK THROUGH THE LIST. WHAT WAS MOST IMPORTANT TO YOU ALL TO FOR THE THREE DIFFERENT GROUPS? ARMY WAS THE TOP OF THE LIST. SO THAT WAS THE MOST IMPORTANT CIP. BASED ON THAT CONVERSATION. SO THAT'S OBVIOUSLY STILL IN THE WORKS, BUT SOME OTHER COMMON THEMES FROM THAT MEETING TALKED ABOUT THE FIELDHOUSE, HVAC AND THE ROOF REPLACEMENT SO THAT IS IN THE 25 BUDGET. SO THAT IS SOMETHING WE'LL BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF. WE TALKED ABOUT WATER, WASTEWATER, MASTER PLANS. THAT IS IN THE BUDGET. SO THAT WILL BE IMPLEMENTED THIS YEAR AS WELL AS DRAINAGE ASSESSMENTS. SO THOSE WERE SOME REOCCURRING THEMES. WE WILL GET BACK TO THIS. MR. FINCH WILL TALK MORE ABOUT A RECAP OF THIS MEETING. BUT JUST TO KIND OF WALK DOWN MEMORY LANE FROM THAT MEETING.

SO THE FIRST ONE WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IS THE PARKS BOND PROJECT. SO I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO BART STEVENSON. HE'S GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY WITH OUR PARKS PROJECTS. AND THIS IS ALL RELATING TO THE 2018 BOND PROJECT, JUST FOR MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE. S. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.

SO A LOT OF THIS YOU HAVE SEEN BEFORE MAYBE SEVERAL TIMES ACTUALLY. BUT AS JENNIFER SAID, WE'RE HOPING TO GET SOME A PATH FORWARD TONIGHT WITH, WITH OUR LATEST DISCUSSION. SO ONE. ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE THREE COMPLETED PROJECTS FOR THE 2018 BOND PROJECT. THAT ROTARY PARK PARKING LOT, THE LAKESIDE PAVILION AND ASSOCIATED PARKING LOT, AS WELL AS ARMSTRONG KINGSVILLE AND SPLASH PAD, WHICH HAS BEEN A HUGE SUCCESS AND EVERYONE LOVES IT. SO. SO MOVING TO THE PROJECTS THAT ARE STILL OUTSTANDING, HARRINGTON PARK IS NUMBER ONE ON THAT LIST, AND THAT IS, WE BROKEN UP INTO THREE DIFFERENT PHASES. WE'VE HAD THE CONVERSATION, I THINK, WITH YOU AT YOUR APRIL MEETING EARLIER THIS YEAR. CURRENT ESTIMATE OF PHASE ONE IS 3.3 MILLION, A LITTLE OVER THAT. OUR AVAILABLE BOND FUNDS CURRENTLY FOR THIS PROJECT IS 2.6, WHICH LEAVES US A SHORTFALL OF ABOUT $720,000. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LOOKED AT AS A STAFF IS HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT TO GET THIS PROJECT MOVING? AND SO THE FIRST THOUGHT, BECAUSE THIS PROJECT IS WHAT I CONSIDER TO BE SHOVEL READY, WE HAVE A ARCHITECT ON BOARD. IT'S FULLY DESIGNED. WE HAVE A CMR CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK ON BOARD, READY TO GO. ALL WE NEED IS A GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE. IT'S ON YOUR AGENDA AND WE'RE MOVING FORWARD. SO WE'RE REALLY CLOSE. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT PERHAPS YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER USING THE REMAINING ARPA FUNDS, WHICH IS ABOUT $550,000. OBVIOUSLY THAT DOESN'T GET US THE FULL AMOUNT, BUT IT GETS IT GETS PRETTY CLOS. PERHAPS WE CAN USE SOME FUNDS TE PARKING LOT AT PAVILION FOR HARRINGTON PARK? CURRENT ESTIMATE IS ABOUT 2.1 MILLION. AGAIN BECAUSE HARRINGTON PARK IS UTILIZED AS A SPORTS DESTINATION FACILITY, IT IS A SPORTS TOURIS. IT DOES QUALIFY FOR FUNDS. JUST AS WE TALKED. AS I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY FOR PHASE ONE. AND SO AGAIN, USING THAT FUNDS FOR THAT PHASE TWO IS AN OPTION FOR YOU TO LOOK AT OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS. PHASE THREE IS THE TRAIL AND BRIDGE LINKING TO WATERVIEW PARK. CURRENT ESTIMATE IS ABOUT $800,000. AS YOU'RE AWARE, WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY $932,000 LEFT IN THE TRAIL. BOND FUNDS THAT TRAIL BOND FUND DISCUSSION HAS BEEN ONGOING FOR QUITE SOME TIME. WE'VE NEVER KIND OF COME TO A DECISION AS TO WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE WHEN WE USE IT FOR, PERHAPS THIS IS SOMETHING YOU MIGHT WANT TO

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THE COST TO PUT IN AS IT WAS BASICALLY DESCRIBED IN THE 2018 BOND PROJECT, WOULD ALLOW US TO GET THAT FORWARD. GOING BACK TO PHASE ONE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE WITH THE ARPA FUNDS, WHICH OBVIOUSLY WE'RE COMING UP ON DEADLINE AT THE END OF THE YEAR TO COMMIT THOSE MAYBE APPROPRIATING 170,000 IN HOT FUNDS TO FINISH PHASE ONE. THEN WE'D HAVE PHASE ONE AND THREE, BOTH DONE MOVING FORWARD AS WE ROLL INTO 25. RIGHT. WE STILL HAVE TO GO BACK AND HAVE A BROADER CONVERSATION ABOUT PHASE TWO, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T REALLY IDENTIFIED FUNDING SOLUTIONS FOR PHASE TWO, BUT WE COULD TALK WHETHER IT'S ABOUT HOT FUNDS. OBVIOUSLY WE'VE GOT SOME COMPETING INTERESTS THERE WITH SOME OTHER NEEDS, BUT WE COULD AT LEAST ROLL INTO 25 REALLY MOVING FORWARD WITH PHASE ONE AND THREE. I THINK. SO I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO PHASE ONE. AND WHEN MY BOYS PLAYED BASEBALL A LONG TIME AGO, YOU COULDN'T STAND NEXT TO THE RESTROOMS OUT THERE, WHICH ARE RIGHT NEXT TO THE CONCESSION STAND, BECAUSE IT SMELLS SO BAD. OKAY. AND THAT WAS OUTSIDE. I HAD THE GOOD FORTUNE OF EARLIER THIS YEAR OF GOING OUT, THROWING OUT THE FIRST PITCH FOR DUNCANVILLE BOYS BASEBALL, WHICH IS A GREAT. I THREW A HEATER RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE PLATE. BACK TO THE VIDEO. YOU WE NEED VIDEO OF IT. HOW FAR WERE YOU FROM THE PLATE? YES. IT ROLLED ALL THE WAY THER. THERE'S PICTURES, BUT I STOOD BY THOSE SAME BATHROOMS. 20 PLUS YEARS LATER AND THE BATHROOMS STILL STUNK. AND I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT THERE, THE DUNCANVILLE BOYS BASEBALL. FOR ALL THE PARENTS AND KIDS AND FAMILIES THAT GO OUT THERE, THEY THEY DESERVE TO HAVE THAT DONE WITH. I CAN TELL YOU FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME. SO CAN YOU COME UP ABOUT WHAT YOU SAID, 200,170, 170? SURE. YOU'RE DONE. SO, MR. STEVENS, HOW CURRENT ARE THE CURRENT ESTIMATES? THEY ARE AS OF LAST WEEK. OKAY. I'LL SHARE WITH YOU THAT THEY HAVE GONE UP 12% SINCE LAST YEAR. THIS TIME, RIGHT. SO THEY'RE ONLY GETTING MORE EXPENSIVE. SO WE'RE TALKING AND THOSE DO INCLUDE CONTINGENCY AS WELL. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S FAIR AS WELL. THAT'S A 10% ROUGHLY THERE. YES. SO THAT WOULD BE ALLOCATING THE REMAINING 550. AND THEN CATCHING THE REST WITH OAK HILL. WE DIDN'T REQUEST COUNCIL TO AUTHORIZE ABOUT 170 IN POT FUNDS TO MAKE UP THAT DIFFERENCE FOR PHASE ONE. SO I MEAN, IT'S NOT.

WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT LATER WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PUBLIC WORKS. AND THE CITY MANAGER. CITY ATTORNEY IS NOT HERE, BUT THAT DOES I MEAN, TO ME IT MAKES SENSE. THAT'S A QUALIFIED USE. BUT WE'VE ALREADY CONFIRMED THAT IT IS A QUALIFIED AND OBVIOUSLY WE PUT THE RESOLUTIONS TOGETHER AND HE'LL REVIEW IT THROUGH THE PROCESS AND ALL THAT STUFF. BUT. YEAH.

NO. JUST YEAH. JUST REALLY QUICK BECAUSE WE KNOW WE HAD HAD SOME ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION ON ARPA,

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KEEP IN MIND IT'S THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS OF OCTOBER. IT'S COMING QUICK. SO IT WOULD IT IS TO APPROVE THAT HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX FUNDING AS WELL. AT THE SAME TIME. IS THAT SOMETHING WE COULD DO LATER ON? WELL, IDEALLY WE WOULD CREATE A BUDGET FOR THE PROJECT OF THE WHOLE ENTIRE THING, INCLUDING THE REVENUE OF THE 170, THE TRANSFER OVER FROM POT FUNDS FOR THAT. BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD BE A PLACEHOLDER. AND SO WE'D GO BACK AND WE WOULD APPROVE THE WHOLE BUDGET FOR IT. BUT IF THERE'S ANY CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE MADE TO THE EARLIER WE GO BACK AND REVISIT THAT. BECAUSE OF TIMING, IT MAKES SENSE. AND IT'S A FASTER PROCESS TO ALLOCATE THE ARPA FUNDING FOR THIS PROJECT, AND NOT THE ONE THAT WE DISCUSSED IN THE BUDGET SEASON.

YES. PERFECT. LET'S JUST AND I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT WITH YOU WHEN WE GET INTO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANNING. ONE OF THE THINGS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IS THE FUEL PUMPS RIGHT AT THE SERVICE CENTER. WE ALL UNDERSTAND, AND JOEL IS SITTING RIGHT BEHIND YOU. SO PLEASE TRY TO PROTECT ME FROM HIM. SO BUT I'M GONNA SAY THIS SO. BUT HERE'S THE DEAL.

THEY NEED TO BE REPLACED. YES, BUT WHEN WE START HAVING THE CONVERSATION ABOUT SERVICE CENTER, I HAVE A QUESTION WHETHER OR NOT THE BUILDING IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE WHERE IT'S AT. AND IF WE GO AHEAD AND REPLACE THE FUEL PUMPS NOW, ARE THEY GOING TO BE IN THE WAY OF A POTENTIALLY THE WORK THAT WE DO. RIGHT. WE'RE WE'RE NOT THERE YET TO REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT. I'LL ACCEPT IT FOR NOW. I AGREE WITH THAT. HE PAID YOU TO SAY THAT. YES. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WAS WHAT? WE'RE GOING TO PUT THEM ON? YES. YEAH, YEAH. NO. ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU. CAN WAIT. JUST. I'M SORRY. CAN WE GO BACK TO JUST PHASE TWO FOR A SECOND? SO THAT. SO REALLY WHAT? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT. WE'RE GREEN LIGHTING, BASICALLY. PHASE ONE, PHASE THREE, PHASE TWO. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO KEEP DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE ON. THAT'S THE WHOLE PARKING LOT PAVILION. WE NEED ABOUT $2.1 MILLION. WE'LL KEEP LOOKING FOR SOLUTIONS AND BRING THAT BACK TO YOU A LITTLE BIT LATER. RIGHT. I JUST WANT TO KNOW, OKAY. YES. YEAH. I'M. AND THAT THAT IS A YOU KNOW, WE'VE MY SON HAS SOCCER GAMES OUT THERE AND I MEAN THAT PARKING SITUATION IS ALMOST IT'S BAD I MEAN IT'S BEEN BAD. IT'S VERY BAD. SO I MEAN THAT'S SOMETHING, YOU KNOW MOVE FORWARD WITH THESE. BUT MAKE SURE WE KEEP THAT. WE WON'T LET IT. YEAH. THE PARKING YOUR YARD TO A CHARGE OF TWO. WELL THERE'S, THERE'S QUITE A BIT MORE UNDER THIS SAME CATEGORY. THEY'RE ALL KIND OF. SO NOW WE'RE JUST GOING TO ROLL OVER INTO PUBLIC WORKS. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING MAYOR, COUNCIL AND STAFF, THIS IS JIHAD MOHAMMED, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS. AND TODAY I'M GOING TO WALK US THROUGH THE 2018 BOND. AN UPDATE FOR THE

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OVERALL PUBLIC WORKS. SO TALKING ABOUT THE 2018 BOND PROJECTS, WE HAD FOUR DIFFERENT PROJECTS ON THE BOND PROGRAM, THREE STREET PROJECTS, AND THE FOURTH ONE IS THE SERVICE CENTER RENOVATION.

SO THE STREET PROJECTS WERE DANIEL ROAD RECONSTRUCTION, CEDAR RIDGE ROAD RECONSTRUCTION, AND THE MAIN STREET CAMP WISDOM RECONSTRUCTION. GOING BACKWARDS. I'M SORRY. OKAY, SO FOR DANIEL ROAD RECONSTRUCTION, THIS PROJECT WAS COMPLETED IN 2023. AND HERE ARE SOME OF THE PROJECT PICTURES THROUGH THE PROCESS AND TO THE END OF THE PROJECT. WORKING ON THE FINAL LANDSCAPING IN JULY OF 2023. SO THE SECOND PROJECT IS CEDAR RIDGE RECONSTRUCTION. AND WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT THIS IN OUR IN IN A PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEETING. AND WE GAVE YOU SOME KIND OF UPDATE ON WHERE WE'RE AT WITH IT. SO THE PROJECT LIMITS THE EXISTING PROJECT LIMITS ARE THE MIDDLE ROAD TO CAMP WISDOM ROAD. THE PROJECT SCOPE IS GOING TO INCLUDE PAVEMENT RECONSTRUCTION AND SUBSURFACE UTILITIES IMPROVEMENT. AND ONE INTERSECTION. RECONSTRUCTION.

BUT THAT'S BASICALLY GOING TO BE JUST KEEPING THE STREET AS IS WITH THE THREE LANES. AND AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, JUST RECONSTRUCTING IT FOR THE BOND ALLOCATIONS. ORIGINALLY IT WAS $2 MILLION UNDER THE 2018 BOND. AND AS WE MENTIONED IN OUR PREVIOUS MEETING, THE CURRENT ESTIMATES FOR THIS PROJECT IS 6 MILLION. AROUND $6 MILLION. AND THE AVAILABLE FUNDING FUNDING NOW IS THE 6 MILLION WE WERE ABLE TO MAKE. THE 6 MILLION AVAILABLE TO BE ABLE TO START THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE PROJECT. HOWEVER, THE FUNDING SOURCES ARE AS BROKE DOWN HERE, $2 MILLION COMING FROM THE BOND, $3.7 MILLION CAME FROM THE UTILITIES FUNDS AND DRAINAGE FUNDS, $290,000. SO THAT'S HOW WE ENDED UP WITH THE $6 MILLION. THE PROJECT IS IN 100%. DESIGN REVIEW AND CURRENTLY AS A STATUS AND THE ANTICIPATED COMPLETION IS EARLY 2026. SO THAT'S BASICALLY HOPING TO START THE PROJECT SOON. BY THE END OF THIS YEAR. TOWARDS THE SORRY BY THE BEGINNING OF NEXT YEAR, GOING THROUGH RIGHT AWAY ACQUISITION NEXT. AFTER WE KIND OF FINALIZED THE DESIGN REVIEW. SO AND ONE THING TO ADD, SORRY, I KEEP PRESSING THE BACKWARDS AND JUST ADDING ON THE INFORMATION ON CEDAR RIDGE. WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ALSO ON SUBMITTING A GRANT APPLICATION WITH THE NCT COG TO SUPPORT RECONSTRUCTING THE WHOLE CORRIDOR OF CEDAR RIDGE. SO HOPEFULLY WE WILL BE ABLE TO KIND OF USE OR LEVERAGE THE AVAILABLE QUANTITY HERE FOR THIS SECTION OF CEDAR RIDGE AS OUR 20% MATCH TO BE ABLE TO GET MORE FUNDS TO COVER THE RECONSTRUCTION OF ALL THE CORRIDOR ON CEDAR RIDGE IN THE FUTURE. ALL RIGHT. ARE WE PUTTING TOGETHER THAT GRANT PACKAGE, OR IS THAT NOT DOING ENOUGH FOR US? MIB IS HELPING US IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THAT. YES. NEXT IS MAIN STREET RECONSTRUCTION, AND ON THIS PROJECT WE ACTUALLY THE PROJECT LIMITS WERE THIS AREA OF MAIN STREET, MAIN STREET AND CAMP WISDOM. THE ORIGINAL SCOPE OF WORK WAS JUST INCLUDING PAVEMENT RECONSTRUCTION AND SUBSURFACE UTILITIES IMPROVEMENT, WHICH DID NOT INCLUDE THE ISSUE THAT IS AVAILABLE ON THAT AREA WHERE THERE IS A RAILROAD GRADE ADJUSTMENT THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN. THAT'S CAUSING A SAFETY ISSUE.

SO RECOMMENDED PROJECT SCOPE IS TO HAVE THE PAVEMENT RECONSTRUCTION AND THE SUBSURFACE UTILITY IMPROVEMENT TO INCLUDE THE RAILROAD GRADE ADJUSTMENT. WHILE WE'RE THERE DOING THIS PROJECT. SO BOND ALLOCATIONS ORIGINALLY WAS $1.5 MILLION. THE CURRENT ESTIMATE

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I'M NOT SURE. IS IT 150? IN SOME PLACES? 200IN OTHERS. I BELIEVE IT'S 150 ON SOUTH OF CAMP

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SO BUT HAVING COG ON OUR SIDE CERTAINLY WILL HELP WITH THE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE RAILROAD.

RIGHT THERE. YES. WATCH THIS. MAYBE THIS IS JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY. SO THE WHEN THE BONDS WERE APPROVED, YOU KNOW, I WASN'T HERE. I DON'T KNOW HOW DON. YOU MAY HAVE BEEN. SO THE CURRENT ESTIMATE IS 6 MILLION, RIGHT. 7.2 WITH THE GRADING THE BOND ALLOCATION IS 1.5 MILLION.

WHAT WAS THE ESTIMATE WHEN THE BOND WAS APPROVED? THAT'S BEFORE MY TIME HERE. LONG BEFORE MY TIME, IT COULD HAVE BEEN 1.5 MILLION. THERE IS A PERSON IN THE ROOM WHO MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP. ARE YOU LOOKING AT ME? YES, I'M LOOKING AT KEVIN HOFFMAN. AND I BELIEVE THAT THE ORIGINAL ALLOCATION OR THE ORIGINAL ESTIMATE WAS AROUND 1.5 MILLION. THE PROBLEM WAS WE REALLY DID NOT KNOW WHAT IT WAS GOING TO TAKE TO DO THAT RECONSTRUCTION. AND ONCE WE STARTED INTO THE ENGINEERING OF IT, IT BECAME A LOT BIGGER SCOPE THAN WHAT WE HAD ENVISIONED IT WOULD BE. OKAY. AND ONE OTHER THING IS, OTHER THAN THE SCOPE TO THAT POINT, I AM SURE IT HAD IMPACTED IS THE MARKET AND THE INFLATION RATE. LIKE MATERIAL COSTS ITSELF GIVEN LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, IF I GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, ASPHALT OR EVEN CONCRETE, WE ARE WE HAVE EXPERIENCED ABOUT 50% INCREASE ON THESE MATERIAL COSTS, RAW MATERIAL COSTS, COSTS ASIDE FROM, YOU KNOW, SERVICES AND PERSONNEL AND ALL OF THAT. SO THAT HAD ITS IMPACT ON ALL OF THE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN PLANNED, YOU KNOW, FIVE YEARS AGO AT LEAST. AND WE'VE SEEN.

YEAH. AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN THAT WITH ALL THE PROJECTS. BUT THIS ONE SEEMED LIKE IT WAS UNDERSHOT. SO I APPRECIATE THE EXPLANATION. MR. PRESIDENT, CITY MANAGER, THREE MONTHS AGO OR SO WE HAD THAT THE RAILROAD CROSSING ELIMINATION GRANT THAT CAME UP AND IT SEEMED TO ADDRESS GRADING BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING I KNEW YOU WERE HAVING SOMEONE LOOK INTO THAT. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TAP INTO? YEAH, THEY LOOKED AT A LOT OF GRADING, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY FOLLOW UP ON THAT, BUT IT TURNED OUT REALLY WHAT THEY WERE SAYING, EVEN THOUGH THE WORDING WAS WRONG. THAT MAY BE NOT VERY CLEAR. IT WAS THE ACTUAL RAILROAD INSTEAD OF THE INTERSECTION. RIGHT? YEAH. THE RAILROAD ITSELF. AND IT'S NOT IT'S NOT AS IT'S LIKE LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS FROM THE ENGINEERING STANDPOINT. IT WASN'T AS WE KIND OF ANTICIPATED IT WOULD BE. IT WASN'T AS BAD AS WE ANTICIPATED IT TO BE, HONESTLY, TO BE ABLE TO FIX THE ROADS. SO WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING WITH WITH THIS, WE'RE KIND OF BRINGING BRINGING THE INTERSECTION UP TO MEET WITH THE RAILROAD HAS INSTEAD OF KIND OF LOWERING THE RAILROAD. SO THE CORRECT FUNDING 20% IS CURRENTLY 1.4, BUT WE HAVE 1.5. AND ARE WE APPLYING? WE PROBABLY SAID THIS. I JUST MISSED IT. WE ARE GOING FOR GRANTS NOW. WHILE THAT IS STILL CONSIDERED 20%. YES, YES BECAUSE GRANT GRANT MATCH THAT IS REQUIRED IS 20% FOR THE CITY TO HAVE READY FOR ORDER TO THAT GETS APPROVED. BUT IF THIS GETS APPROVED, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO RECEIVE THOSE FUNDS BEFORE 2026 TO KEEP THAT IN MIND, BECAUSE THESE GRANT APPLICATIONS TAKE A LONG TIME AND PROCESS BEFORE THEY GET AWARDED AND REALLY AVAILABLE FOR THE CITY USE. SO WE'RE GOING TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THESE APPLICATIONS, IF THEY GET APPROVED, WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THOSE FUNDS BEFORE 2026. SO TO BE ABLE TO LEVERAGE THEM INTO, YOU KNOW, STARTING THOSE PROJECTS. BUT WE WANT TO KEEP THAT COMMUNICATION WITH THE WE WANT TO JUST USE THAT TIME AND HAVING THOSE CLARIFYING OUR SCOPE, WE CANNOT DEVIATE SO MUCH FROM THE SCOPE THAT WE ARE. WE HAVE SUBMITTED, BUT WE CAN AT LEAST REFINE THE DETAILS.

WORKING INTO, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE NEED TO PREPARE FOR THIS TO GO INTO CONSTRUCTION. ONCE WE KNOW WE'RE AWARDED, WE CAN KICK OFF WITH DESIGN AND HAVE OUR MATCH COVER THE DESIGN. FOR EXAMPLE, UNTIL WE RECEIVE, YOU KNOW, FUNDS TO COMPLETE CONSTRUCTION. FOR EXAMPLE. BUT BUT AGAIN, IF

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REGARDING THE FUNDING AND WHAT OUR FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE THERE, I THINK IT'S CITY MANAGER, IF YOU WANT TO ADD INTO THE OUR THINKING ABOUT THE ARMY. AND YEAH, WHEN WE TALK, I THINK MAYBE THE EASIER THING WOULD BE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SOME OF THAT A LITTLE BIT LATER. OKAY. SO BEFORE YOU GO INTO I'M SORRY, WE'RE GETTING READY TO GO INTO MAINTENANCE. YES. CAN YOU GO BACK TO ONE AND TWO JUST FOR A QUICK SECOND, JUST SO WE CAN RECAP WHERE WE'RE AT? OKAY. SO ONE FOR THE MOST PART IS DONE RIGHT. THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT BIKE LANES. AND I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT. BUT ONE FOR THE MOST PART I THINK WE CAN SAY IS DONE. IS EVERYBODY KIND OF IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT? OKAY. SO YEAH. SO TWO SO TWO CAMP WISDOM. RIGHT. SO YOU'LL START TO SEE BASICALLY CONSTRUCTION MOST OF 25 WITH WITH THAT BEING COMPLETED BY EARLY 26. AND THAT'S GOOD TO MOVE FORWARD PREDOMINANTLY. THAT'S THE AREA BY THE HIGH SCHOOL. BUT WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT. EVERYBODY'S GOOD WITH THAT. RIGHT? OKAY.

THREE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. SO WE WILL CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE GRANT APPLICATION.

WE'LL PROBABLY ACTUALLY BRING YOU A RESOLUTION VERY SOON SUPPORTING THE GRANT APPLICATION AND THAT KIND OF STUFF. SO WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. AND THEN FOUR WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THAT AND MY STUFF OKAY. NOW THIS THIS WHATEVER WE HAVE COVERED SO FAR WAS WITHIN THE BOND PROGRAM. BUT WE ARE WORKING ON SEVERAL PROGRAMS AT THE SAME TIME THAT CAN INCLUDE SOME OF THESE PROJECTS. SO THE OTHER PROGRAM THAT WE ARE WORKING ON AND WE WANT TO

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AND OR TO IMPROVE IT AND INTO A GOAL OF 75 TO MAKE IT REACH THE GOOD, YOU KNOW, CONDITION LEVEL THAT WOULD NEED SPENDING TO INCREASE FROM 1 MILLION PER YEAR INTO A 10 MILLION PER YEAR IN STREETS MAINTENANCE, TO BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE AN IMPROVEMENT IN THE PCI. SO EVERYBODY JUST PASS OUT.

JUST. THAT SO UNFORTUNATELY, SINCE THAT TIME, THE CITY HAD NOT USED OPTIMIZATION ANALYSIS AND BUDGETING OR STREET SELECTION PROCEDURE. THE STRATEGY FOR SELECTION IN THE PAST WAS WORSE FIRST. SO WORST STREETS WAS PICKED FIRST, WHICH IS NOT BASICALLY THE BEST STRATEGY FOR OPTIMIZATION. AND ALSO THE OVERALL MAINTENANCE BUDGET WAS DISTRIBUTED. REALLY JUST EQUALLY BETWEEN DIFFERENT TREATMENT TYPES THAT WERE RECOMMENDED, NOT NECESSARILY A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, STUDY INTO WHAT TO FUND MORE THAN THE OTHER. AND ALSO THE MATERIAL TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THE MATERIALS UNIT COST AT THIS ANALYSIS, LIKE TEN YEARS AGO, WAS AT LEAST 40 TO 50% LESS. OKAY. SO HERE WE G. SO NOW WHAT IS THE PROGRAM FUTURE. SO THIS IS SOME OF THE ANALYSIS THEY SUBMITTED THAT SHOWS THE MILLION VERSUS THE 10 MILLION. AND HOW THE PERFORMANCE OF THE CITY NETWORK PCI WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, SHOWN WITHIN THE FIVE YEARS, WHICH WAS BASICALLY ALREADY FIVE YEARS FROM NOW. SO CURRENTLY WHERE WE'RE AT IS A TOTAL OF $1.7 MILLION, IS BUDGETED ANNUALLY WITHIN THE GENERAL FUNDS THAT IS GOING TO THE STREET MAINTENANCE IN GENERAL. SO DIFFERENT TYPE OF TREATMENTS THAT WE ARE DOING OKAY. AND NEW DATA COLLECTION THAT IS CURRENTLY HAPPENING OR HAD ALREADY HAPPENED, BUT THE REPORT WAS NOT SUBMITTED TO US YET. SO THEY ARE IN THE ANALYSIS PROCESS WHERE WE ARE SOON GOING TO RECEIVE A REPORT. HOPEFULLY BY EARLY OF OR HOPEFULLY JANUARY OR EARLY OF 2025. WE WILL HAVE THE SAME ANALYSIS REPORT COMING TO US WITH UPDATED DATA AND UPDATED INFORMATION. WHAT IS THE RECOMMENDATION FOR US MOVING FORWARD? THE CITY IS RECOMMENDED TO MOVE TOWARDS USING OPTIMIZATION ANALYSIS FOR FUTURE

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SO NOT NECESSARILY WORTH GOING TO BE. FIRST, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT GOOD STREETS AND TRY TO EXTEND THEIR LIFE AND DO PREVENTION AND PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE. A LITTLE MORE.

THAT'S GOING TO HELP ALONG A LOT IN TERMS OF THIS, THE PCI OVERALL NETWORK, PCI, WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS AND SO AND IT'S GOING TO REDUCE OUR BACKLOG FOR RECONSTRUCTION, WHICH IS TO THE DOLLAR. IF WE COMPARE MAINTENANCE DOLLARS TO THE RECONSTRUCTION DOLLAR, THERE IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE THAT WE WANT TO AVOID GETTING THERE BY DOING WORSE. FIRST, ALL THE TIME. SO AN INCREASE OF INVESTMENT OBVIOUSLY IN STREET MAINTENANCE AND IT WILL BUDGET IS GOING TO BE NEEDED FOR TO CONSIDER STREET MAINTENANCE IN FUTURE BOND PROGRAM. THAT ALSO CAN HELP THROUGH, YOU KNOW, ISSUING EVERY I DON'T KNOW THIS MANY YEARS. THERE CAN BE A BOND THAT CAN BE ASSOCIATED TO DOING MAJOR MAINTENANCE TO STREETS THAT CAN SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, LIFTING THE PCI OR KIND OF ADJUST OR HELP WITH THE MAINTENANCE, ANNUAL MAINTENANCE FUNDS AS NEEDED.

ALSO, IF A FIVE YEAR MOVING FORWARD FOR THE FUTURE, WE'RE WORKING AND WE'RE PLANNING TO ADD A FIVE YEAR IMP TO BE BROUGHT BEFORE COUNCIL AGAIN AFTER WE HAVE THE ANALYSIS AND TO BE UPDATED AND PUBLISHED FOR PUBLIC ANNUALLY TO KIND OF LAY ALL THE PROJECTS FOR THE FIVE YEARS AHEAD OF TIME FOR THE COUNCIL AND PUBLIC, AND ALSO TO CREATE TRANSPARENCY AND TALK ABOUT CREATING THIS FORECAST FOR THE CITY ON HOW OUR NETWORK PAVEMENT NETWORK IS LOOKING LIK.

AND THAT'S ALL FOR MAINTENANCE. EASY PEASY. RIGHT? SO AT OUR LAST REGULAR MEETING, YOU'VE GIVEN US A BRIEFING ON SOME EQUITY AND INFRASTRUCTURE MANAGEMENT INITIATIVES. SO HOW DOES THAT HOW COULD THAT GO INTO THIS DISCUSSION? YES, THAT CAN PLAY INTO THIS DISCUSSION.

DEFINITELY. BY CREATING A GOAL, AS I MENTIONED IN THAT MEETING, THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CREATE A GOAL WHERE WE'RE SAYING, OKAY, IF WE CREATE OUR IF WE IDENTIFY OUR EQUITY PRIORITY AREAS, OKAY, THAT WE NEED TO IMPROVE OR SPEND MORE FUNDS ON, ON, THAT'S FIRST STEP.

SECOND STEP IS WHAT'S OUR GOAL? HOW MUCH DO WE WANT TO SPEND OF THIS ANNUAL FUNDS OR OR DO WE WANT TO DO A SEPARATE BOND PROJECTS TO IMPROVE, YOU KNOW, SPECIFICALLY IN AREAS OF EQUITY.

SO IT'S GOING TO BE A DECISION ON WHAT'S OUR GOAL IN MOVING FORWARD IN IN KIND OF HAVING THAT IN LINE IN THIS PROCESS. AND THEN ACCORDING TO THAT, WE'RE GOING TO START GOING BACK HERE INTO THE DETAILS OF OUR MODEL TO WHERE WE CAN CREATE A CONSTRAINT IN THE MODEL. OKAY. I WANT YOU TO SPEND 20% OF THESE FUNDS IN PROJECTS IN ONLY THIS AREA. AND THAT HAS TO BE A JOYOUS LAYER. THAT'S GOING TO BE IN OUR SYSTEM, IDENTIFIED IN OUR SYSTEM, WHERE THE SYSTEM IS GOING TO AUTOMATICALLY MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR YOU IN THAT AREA, IN THAT KIND OF SORT OF GOING BACK TO WORST FIRST. NO, IT'S NOT GOING TO GO BACK TO WORSE FIRST. WHY? BECAUSE. OH, YOU MEAN THE EQUITY PART OF IT. YEAH. NO. SO IT'S GOING TO PROBABLY IDENTIFY BECAUSE THERE ARE AREAS OF INEQUITY THAT I ASSUME THERE WILL BE ALL KIND OF STREETS. SO THERE WILL BE STREETS THAT ARE QUALIFYING FOR RECONSTRUCTION, SAME AS THE OTHER REST OF THE CITY. THERE WILL BE STREETS THAT ARE QUALIFYING FOR MILAN OVERLAY OR MICRO SURFACING OR SO DIFFERENT KIND OF TREATMENTS. SO THAT'S KIND OF A SEPARATE BECAUSE THE SYSTEM IS GOING TO ANALYZE THAT SEPARATELY TO WHERE IT'S GOING TO RECOMMEND THE RIGHT TREATMENT IN THE RIGHT PLACE. SO IT'S NOT JUST GOING TO BE THAT, OKAY. IT'S IN EQUITY. SO WE'RE GOING TO DO RECONSTRUCTION OR WHATEVER. THE WORST ONES ANYWAY. NO IT'S STILL WITHIN THE AREA OF INEQUITY. PICK WHAT IS WHAT ARE

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AND THEN WE HAVE TO LOOK FOR THE SWEET SPOTS. WHERE IS IT THAT WE CAN CHECK THE MOST BOXES. RIGHT.

AND THEN ACCOMPLISH ALL THOSE. AND SO THAT'S SOME OF THE DETAIL ANALYSIS WE'LL BE DOING BACK TO YOU. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT, YOU KNOW WHAT KIND OF WHERE I WAS HEADED. AND THIS IS JUST ME.

BUT YOU KNOW THAT THAT WOULD BE ONE PART OF HOW WE LOOK AT WHERE WE WANT TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS.

BUT TO HAVE THAT TOOL AVAILABLE TO US AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS, YOU KNOW, ME PERSONALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT INCLUDED IN WHATEVER'S BROUGHT BACK TO US. YEAH. AND THAT CAN BE SOMETHING WE CONSIDER FOR AS PART OF OUR SCORING CRITERIA OR PRIORITIZING CRITERIA. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAINTENANCE HERE. BUT FOR OTHER PROGRAMS THAT THE CITY MANAGER WAS REFERRING TO, FOR EXAMPLE, CIP OR, OR FUTURE BONDS, WE CAN CREATE A SCORING CRITERIA FOR PRIORITIZATION WHERE IT CAN GIVE SOME POINTS TO AREAS IN EQUITY. AND THAT'S HOW THIS CAN END UP CREATING PRIORITY OR PRIORITY. THE CITY PRIORITIZING PROJECTS IN THAT AREA. CAN WE GET A DEFINITION OF STREET MAINTENANCE IN EQUITY? WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY WHEN YOU SAY INEQUITY? FOR STREETS? STREET MAINTENANCE INEQUITY. SO IT'S MEANS GIVING OPPORTUNITY EQUAL OPPORTUNITY FOR A WELL-MAINTAINED AND A SAFE STREETS FOR ALL. SO THAT'S REALLY THE SIMPLE WAY WE'RE LOOKING AT IT IS, YOU KNOW, HOW WE AND THAT'S NOT ONLY UNIQUE TO DUNCANVILLE BUT EVERYWHERE.

THERE ARE ALWAYS PARTS OF THE CITY THAT ARE ENJOYING, YOU KNOW, SMOOTH RIDES. AND THERE ARE SOME OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY THAT REALLY IS GOING THROUGH, YOU KNOW, ALL THE DETERIORATED, YOU KNOW, STREETS. SO WE WANT TO PROVIDE FROM THIS FOR THAT INITIATIVE IS REALLY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PROVIDING EQUAL OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL TO HAVE GOOD STREETS TO HAVE TO HAVE ACCESSIBLE ACCESS TO EMERGENCY SERVICES, TO HAVE SMOOTH RIDES FOR WORK AND SCHOOL, AND TO HAVE SIDEWALKS FOR THEIR KIDS TO PLAY ON AND TO HAVE ADA COMPLIANCE. SO JUST EQUAL OPPORTUNITY AND ACCESSIBILITY FOR ALL DISTRICT. YOUR YOUR STRUCTURES AND MY STREETS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. GOOD JOB. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT JUST ONE MORE SLIDE.

BUT THEN WE'LL GET TO MR. FINCH. BUT HOW LONG IS YOUR SLIDE? OH, WE'LL TAKE TWO SECONDS. OKAY, THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD SEGUE INTO HIS CONVERSATION, BUT I JUST WANTED TO QUICKLY WALK THROUGH THE DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCES AND KIND OF HISTORICALLY HOW WE HAVE FUNDED CIP PROJECTS. SO STARTING WITH WATER AND SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS, AS YOU KNOW, THAT IT COMES FROM WATER AND SEWER REVENUE. HISTORICALLY, AT LEAST THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, THE FUND HAS BEEN ABLE TO SUPPORT ABOUT $5 MILLION IN A CASH TO SUPPORT WATER AND SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE. SO THIS HASN'T BEEN ENOUGH, BUT THAT IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO ON A CASH BASIS. WHEN IT COMES TO WATER AND SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS. SO ALLEY RECONSTRUCTION PROJECTS, THESE COME FROM GARBAGE COLLECTION FEES. SO THOSE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE ON ALLEYS, THEY PAY A LITTLE MORE IN THEIR GARBAGE COLLECTION FEE BILL. SO WE TRANSFER A SMALL PORTION TO COVER IN THE ALLEY RECONSTRUCTION PROJECTS. AND IT'S ABOUT ENOUGH TO DO A PROJECT EVERY OTHER YEAR. SO USUALLY WE WOULD DESIGN ONE ONE YEAR AND THEN WE WOULD ACTUALLY RECONSTRUCT IT. THE NEXT YEAR. SO THAT HAS BEEN OUR REVENUE SOURCE FOR THAT. DRAINAGE FEES, THE STORMWATER FEES, THAT'S WHAT, YOU KNOW, FUND DRAINAGE OR EROSION PROJECTS. WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY MAJOR PROJECTS IN RECENT HISTORY UNTIL JUST LAST YEAR WHEN WE DID THE TEN MILE CREEK, WHICH WAS OVER A MILLION. BUT LOOKING BEYOND BEFORE THAT, IT WAS ABOUT 250. 500,000 IS ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE SPENT ON DIFFERENT PROJECTS FOR EROSION CONTROL OR IF WE'VE HAD RESIDENTS THAT WERE ABLE TO DO LIKE THE 50 OVER 50 BAG WALL THING, THAT'S HOW THOSE PROJECTS WERE FUNDED. BUT

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I'LL TAKE MY ANSWERS. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. SO WHAT? WHAT PERCENTAGE OF CUSTOMERS ARE FALLING INTO THAT CATEGORY OF ALLEY CUSTOMERS? OH, I'M SORRY, I DON'T HAVE THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I WOULD SAY MORE. OR STREET SIDE THAN THE ALLEY SIDE. I DON'T I'M SORRY. I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBER, BUT I WOULD SAY THERE'S MORE ON THE STREET SIDE VERSUS THE OUT SIDE. RIGHT? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. SO WE'VE GOT MORE TO DO. AND WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A SHORT, SAY A TEN MINUTE BREAK. THANK YOU. AND SO THAT WILL PUT US BACK HERE AT A QUARTER AFTER. SO WE'RE GOING TE GOING TO REOPEN OUR MEETING AT 617, AND WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO ITEM AGENDA ITEM FOUR. OUR AGENDA ITEM D IS CITY MANAGER. IT'S GOING TO BE ME. SO SQUEEZE AROUND HERE. SO REALLY BEEN LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS. YOU KNOW IT WAS A ONE YEAR AND NINE DAYS AGO THAT I STOOD IN FRONT OF YOU IN AN INTERVIEW AND I TOLD YOU I WAS A PLANNING NERD. AND THAT STILL HOLDS TRUE. I JUST WAS HAVING THAT CONVERSATION WITH STAFF ON MONDAY, AND I'VE REALLY BEEN LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS, BECAUSE THIS REALLY CHARTS THE COURSE FOR US, FOR THE NEXT 15 YEARS.

RIGHT. AND I WANT YOU TO REALLY THINK ABOUT, AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WHAT ARE THE RESIDENTS OF DUNCANVILLE ON OCTOBER THE 29TH, 2040 GOING TO SAY ABOUT THIS COUNCIL AND WHAT THEY DID HERE TONIGHT? RIGHT. ARE THEY GOING TO SAY, HEY, MAN, THEY'RE AWESOME. AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE STILL ON COUNCIL? OR ARE THEY GOING TO BE LIKE, MAN, THEY MISSED THE BOAT ON THAT ONE. YOU KNOW. SO BUT REALLY KIND OF THINKING ABOUT THAT LONG TERM PERSPECTIVE OVER ON THE WALL OVER THERE, THERE'S A MAP. AND ACTUALLY, MAYOR, I THINK YOU GAVE ME THIS, I THINK IT WAS YOUR COPY OF IT. BUT THERE'S A MAP OF ALL OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS. THIS IS FROM JULY 4TH, 2021. JULY 14TH, 2021. MAP OF THE CITY, OBVIOUSLY WITH A LIST OF ALL OF THE PROJECTS, AND AT THE TIME IT WAS $52 MILLION IN 21 WITH A LIST OF ALL THESE PROJECTS THAT NEED TO BE DONE AND SOME OF THEM ARE DONE AND THAT SORT OF THING. AND ONCE WE GET THROUGH, THIS WHOLE PROCESS IS ACTUALLY ALREADY STARTED, A NEW MAP THAT WILL ACTUALLY UPDATE ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT. AND THAT WHOLE LIST OF PROJECTS AND, AND ALL ALL OF THE GOOD STUFF AND BRINGING IT ALL TOGETHER. I'M A SPOILER ALERT. THAT WAS $52 MILLION. I'M GOING TO TELL YOU TONIGHT, WE NEED $161 MILLION OVER THE NEXT 15 YEARS. SO I THINK IT'S THAT STRONG. WHY DO WE NEED A CAPITAL? I'M SORRY. SAY THAT AGAIN. WHY DO WE NEED A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN? I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU WHY. BECAUSE AS I WAS PREPARING FOR THIS MEETING, WE HAVE A SIDEWALK PLA. WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE OUR BUDGET THAT TALKS ABOUT DIFFERENT THINGS. WE HAVE OUR BRAND NEW FACILITY NEEDS ASSESSMENT. I GOT SPREADSHEETS OF DIFFERENT PROJECTS FROM DIFFERENT THINGS. AND THEN I'VE GOT ALL THAT STUFF FOR THAT. BUT ANYWAY, THERE'S MORE ON THE FACILITY NEEDS AND ONE SOON TO COME IS THE MATRIX STUDY, WHICH ACTUALLY THE MATRIX STUDY IS GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT OPERATIONS OF POLICE AND FIRE AND THE NEEDS OF THAT. SO WE HAVE ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT DOCUMENTS WHICH ARE ALL GREAT. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE LAB MASTER PLAN. RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE

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COUNCIL, EVERYBODY, ANYBODY WATCHING YOU WANT TO DO THIS, THAT'S GREAT. THE MORE THE MERRIER. SO FIRST THING I NEED YOU TO DO IS I NEED YOU TO USE YOUR PHONE OR IPAD OR COMPUTER OR WHATEVER AND SCAN THE QR CODE IF YOU WANT TO USE YOUR LAPTOP, GO TO MENTI.COM AND THEN ENTER THAT NUMBER. IF YOU HAVE A PHONE OR AN IPAD, YOU CAN JUST SCAN THE QR CODE. I HAVE AN EXTRA IPAD UP HERE. IF SOMEBODY CAN SEE IT ON. YEAH, EVERYBODY. EVERYBODY. IS TALKING ABOUT. LET ME KNOW IF YOU'RE HAVING ANY TROUBLE. IF YOU SCAN IT WITH THE QR CODE, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO LOG DIRECTLY IN. IT SHOULD TAKE YOU RIGHT HERE. AND IF YOU GO TO THE MENTI.COM AND THEN THE CODE IS 17266063, AND YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO SEE THAT IT'S KIND OF WAITING FOR THE FIRST THING. YEP YEP. YOU GUYS YOU'RE ALL SET. YOU'RE IN OKAY. EVERYBODY GOOD. EVERYBODY HAVE THE GREEN THING.

ALL SET. YEP. SO YOU'RE VIEWING ACTUALLY WHAT I'M. BUT YOU'LL YOU'LL GET TO. OH YOU'LL GET THERE IN A SECOND. ALL RIGHT. SO WHAT IS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN JENNIFER MENTIONED EARLIER THE APRIL 9TH EVENT THAT WE DID HER. THAT WAS REALLY IN PREPARATION FOR THE BUDGET. YOU NEED TO GO BACK. YEAH. YES. APRIL 9TH, WE TALKED ABOUT THESE DIFFERENT INITIATIVES, THESE DIFFERENT THINGS AND EVERYTHING THAT ARE UP HERE. SOME OF THEM ARE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANNING PROJECTS. SOME OF THEM AREN'T. AND THE REASON I SAY THAT IS WHAT IS A TRUE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT. YES. BUILDINGS, STREETS, NEW OR RECONSTRUCTION, LARGE SCALE PARKS, FACILITIES, TECHNOLOGY, LARGE. OPENED UP SOME OF YOU I'VE TALKED TO, YOU KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OPENGOV. WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT OPENGOV DEFINES A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT AS A PERMANENT STRUCTURAL CHANGE TO A PROPERTY OR ASSET TO PROLONG ITS LIFE, INCREASE ITS VALUE, OR ENHANCE ITS CAPABILITIES. THAT'S THE MINDSET I WANT YOU TO REMEMBER TONIGHT AS WE TALK ABOUT THIS. I DON'T REALLY WANT TO TALK ABOUT FLEET REPLACEMENT TONIGHT, ALTHOUGH I'LL MENTION THAT I DON'T REALLY WANT TO TALK ABOUT ANNUAL STREET MAINTENANCE. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT ALREADY. I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT STAFFING. I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT NORMAL SMALL SCALE MAINTENANCE. REALLY, THE BIG GENERATIONAL THINGS FOR THE NEXT 15 YEARS. AGAIN, THE RESIDENTS OF YOUR DISTRICT OR THE CITY, IT'S OCTOBER 29TH, 2040. WHAT DO THEY SEE? WHAT DO THEY SEE WHEN THEY DRIVE AROUND THE CITY OF DUNCANVILLE? ALL RIGHT, SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE A LITTLE WARM UP. HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANNING? WHAT DO YOU THINK OF IT? ENTER A WORD. ENTER CONCEPT, AN IDEA. WHAT DO YOU THINK? CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANNING IS? ARE YOU EXCITED ABOUT TONIGHT OR ARE YOU READY TO BE DONE WITH IT? SAY HURRY UP AND FINISH. THIS. THANK YOU. BIG PICTURE. THERE WE GO. THEY'RE STARTING TO COME IN. IT'S IMPORTANT. OKAY. TALK ABOUT PROJECTS. EXPENSIVE. THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE FINANCE PEOPLE IN THE ROOM. THE FUTURE. IT'S NECESSARY. PROGRESS. I LOVE THAT. WHO? IF. IF YOU ARE WILLING. IF YOU SAID PROGRESS, WILL YOU TELL ME WHY? BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT UPDATING AND KEEPING YOUR STUFF UPDATED. IT'S A LOT OF COMMISSIONS. OVERDUE MONEY. PROACTIVE FUTURING. DREAM.

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AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT IT. WE'RE LIKE, WHAT IS THE COMMUNITY GOING TO LOOK LIKE IN 2040? RIGHT. AND SO THAT 15 YEAR TIME PERIOD. AND SO IT'S LIKE, OKAY, WHERE ARE WE GOING WITH THIS? AND WHERE IS THE COMMUNITY? WHERE'S THE COUNCIL GOING? AND I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, I'VE HAD THE CONVERSATION WITH MY WIFE. I'M LIKE, I'M GOING TO KNOW A LOT MORE ABOUT WHERE THE COUNCIL ENVISIONS THE CITY OF DUNCANVILLE IN 2040. ONCE I DO THIS EXERCISE WITH THEM, AND THEN I'LL HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. SO FOR TONIGHT, I REALLY WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT TRYING TO KEEP IT AT A PRETTY HIGH LEVEL TONIGHT. THE 30,000, MAYBE THE 20,000 FOOT. BUT DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, IF WE THINK OF AN AIRPLANE, RIGHT. THE ANALOGY GETS USED WHERE WE'RE AT. WE'RE NOT ON THE RUNWAY TONIGHT. WE'RE UP IN THE AIR. WE'RE THINKING ABOUT DUNCANVILLE 2040 AND WHERE KIND OF THE FUTURE GOES. I WANT TO PICK ON PUBLIC WORKS FOR A SECOND. I USE THIS ANALOGY ALL THE TIME, BUT PUBLIC WORKS NEEDS ABOUT $75.5 MILLION. OKAY. BASED ON SOME OF THE EXCEL SPREADSHEETS THAT THAT WE HAVE IN TERMS OF IDENTIFIED PROJECTS, RIGHT. AND PUBLIC WORKS STAFF WENT THROUGH AND RANKED $47.8 MILLION AS A PRIORITY NUMBER ONE, MEANING IT'S NEEDED IMMEDIATELY. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE YESTERDAY, RIGHT? WHAT DO I, AS A TAXPAYER, WANT? I DON'T WANT THAT BECAUSE I'M ON THIS CRAZY ROLLER COASTER TRAIN RIDE.

AND RICHARD WOULD LOVE IT BECAUSE RICHARD LOVES ROLLER COASTERS. BUT STOGNER IS GOING TO BE THROWING UP. I CAN PROMISE YOU THAT ON THIS ROLLER COASTER, RIGHT? AM I NOT RIGHT? I MEAN, WE JUST HAD THAT CONVERSATION YESTERDAY, RIGHT? SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANNING, IT'S ALL ABOUT WHAT MAKES SENSE. GOING OUT OVER THE LONG TERM. SO WE'VE GOT 47.8 MILLION AS A PRIORITY ONE. THINK OF IT. YOU KNOW IF YOU WANT TO THINK OF THEM IN TWO YEAR INCREMENTS OR WHATEVER, 47 AND 7 MILLION AND 6,000,014 MILLION, IT'S ALL OVER THE PLACE, RIGHT? WE'RE RIDING THIS ROLLER COASTER UP AND DOWN. I'D MUCH RATHER TAKE A RIDE ON THIS TRAIN. NICE CALM, SMOOTH. AND I CAN STILL GET TO THAT SAME $75.5 MILLION. BUT I DO IT BY REPRIORITIZING. I KNOW THAT THIS IS NEEDED, BUT TO REALLY SMOOTH THIS OUT, WE'RE GOING TO DO ABOUT $19 MILLION A YEAR, AND WE'RE GOING TO GET TO THE EXACT SAME DESTINATION, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT MORE COMMON, ESPECIALLY AS A TAXPAYE, BECAUSE I'M NOT GOING TO HAVE THOSE HUGE INCREASES AND DECREASES. EVERYBODY WITH ME. YES, SIR. GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS SLIDE. YES. SO FIRST I THOUGHT THAT WAS A SOLUTION TO THE CAMP WISDOM RIGHT NOW. RIGHT? YEAH. RIGHT. RIGHT. YEAH.

NO, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. SO. SO AGAIN REALIGNING THE NEEDS. AND THIS IS WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT INSTEAD OF AND I LOVE THE STAFF. STAFF IS GREAT. AND THEY'RE SO PASSIONATE ABOUT GETTING THINGS DONE. BUT THIS IS WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT FOR YOU ESPECIALLY YOU AS THE ELECTED OFFICIAL REPRESENTING YOUR DISTRICT AND YOUR TAXPAYERS IN PROVIDING THE INPUT AS WE GO THROUGH THIS EXERCISE, BECAUSE WE NEED TO SMOOTH OUT THE EDGES, RIGHT. WE STILL NEED TO GET TO THE SAME DESTINATION AND WE'RE GOING TO GET THERE, BUT WE'VE GOT TO WORK THROUGH THAT SO THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE THIS HUGE PEAKS. AND VALLEYS OR THE ROLLER COASTER. SO COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THE CITY OF DUNCANVILLE. WE'RE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT CREATING A PLANNING DOCUMENT HERE FOR THE NEXT 15 YEARS, 2025 TO 2040, THAT WOULD ENCOMPASS THE INFRASTRUCTURE, PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES, PARKS AND TECHNOLOGIES. AGAIN, A REALLY FOCUSED ON THE WORDS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS OR PLAN. THIS WOULD BE A DETAILED PLAN ENSURING THE SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT GROWTH OF THE CITY BY ADDRESSING CRITICAL, NECESSARY AND FUTURE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS ACROSS VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS AND REALLY KIND OF FOCUSED ON FIVE KEY AREAS IMPROVING PUBLIC SAFETY, EMERGENCY RESPONSE, PUBLIC FACILITIES, OUR UTILITIES AND WATER INFRASTRUCTURE, AND WASTEWATER, AND INCREASING ACCESSIBILITY AND EXPANDING OUR TECHNOLOGICAL INFRASTRUCTURE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MAXIMIZING EFFICIENCY. SO WHEN THIS IS ALL

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IT'S GOING TO BE IMPORTANT THAT WE GET CITIZEN INPUT REALLY FOR THE NEXT 15 YEARS. AFTER WE HAVE A DRAFT OF THE PLAN, WE'LL TAKE THE SHOW ON THE ROAD, TALK TO THE RESIDENTS ABOUT IT, MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY ENVISION BASICALLY FOR THE NEXT 15 YEARS. IS THAT WHAT THE RESIDENTS WANT TO SEE? DUNCANVILLE 2040 LOOK LIKE? THEN O&M WILL OBVIOUSLY HAVE THE FINANCIALS AT THAT POINT SO THAT WE REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON AFTER THE CITIZEN INPUT, WE WOULD ACTUALLY ADOPT THE PLAN, AND THEN WE WOULD GET INTO ENGINEERING AND START ACTUALLY DOING THE WORK. SO EVERYBODY ON BOARD WITH THAT, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. UNDERSTAND THAT. GIVE US A DEFINITION OF OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE OKAY.

SO AGAIN IT'S DUNCANVILLE 2040. LOOK AROUND. WHAT DO YOU SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING IN 2040. RIGHT.

HERE'S ONE THING I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THE WELDON COOPER CENTER JUST RECENTLY DID A SURVEY NATIONWIDE OF POPULATION TRENDS ACROSS THE ENTIRE COUNTRY. OKAY.

THE PERCENTAGE POPULATION BY STATE FOR THE NEXT 15 YEARS, FOR 2040, TEXAS WILL HAVE THE HIGHEST PERCENT OF INCREASE IN POPULATION IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY AT 35.2%, BASED ON THE WELDON COOPER CENTER. WHAT THEY ESTIMATE IS THAT TEXAS AT NUMBER ONE, THE HIGHEST PERCENTAGE OF INCREASE AT 35.2%, WILL SEE 10.4 MILLION NEW PEOPLE COME TO TEXA. AND SPECIFICALLY THE DALLAS FORT WORTH AREA POPULATION IS EXPECTED TO INCREASE BY 53.5% IN THAT SAME 15 YEAR WINDOW BY 2040. THAT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE 53% INCREASE. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT'S EASY TO TALK ABOUT DALLAS FORT WORTH RIGHT. BUT LET'S DRILL DOWN. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT DALLAS COUNTY DALLAS COUNTY IS EXPECTED TO SEE BETWEEN A 1% AND A 20% INCREASE IN POPULATION OVER THE NEXT 15 YEARS. OKAY. THOSE ARE STILL SOME PRETTY LARGE NUMBERS. YOU KNOW, A 20% INCREASE IN DALLAS COUNTY. NOW, DO I THINK THOSE ARE ALL COMING TO DUNCANVILLE? OBVIOUSLY NOT. RIGHT? I MEAN, LET'S FACE IT, YOU'RE PROBABLY WITH SOME OF THE GROWTH THAT'S OCCURRING NORTH OF THE CITY OF DALLAS. I WAS JUST IN SEAGOVILLE MEETING WITH THE CITY MANAGER THERE RECENTLY. THEY'RE EXPERIENCING GROWTH. I THINK THAT WAS A VERY INTERESTING CONVERSATION. EIGHT YEARS AGO, THEY HAD A POPULATION OF ABOUT 2500, AND TODAY IT'S ABOUT 20,000. THEY HAVE EXPONENTIALLY GROWN. BUT WE STILL NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT DUNCANVILLE 2040 AND WHAT THAT MEANS. RIGHT? SO IS THE POPULATION GOING TO GO DOWN? I DOUBT IT NOT BASED ON THIS, DUNCANVILLE 2025, THE ESTIMATED POPULATION IS BETWEEN 39 AND 40,000, RIGHT? BASED ON CENSUS STUFF IN 2023 THERE WERE 13,959 HOUSING UNITS. THAT MEANS IN DUNCANVILLE, THE AVERAGE HOUSE HAD 2.7 PEOPLE LIVING IN IT. THE HOUSING UNIT, CALLED DUNCANVILLE 2040 POPULATION ESTIMATE AROUND 40 TO 45,000. IF WE TAKE THE 5% INCREASE, JUST KIND OF, YOU KNOW, 1% LOOKS POSSIBLE. IT ONLY INCREASES POPULATION INCREASES 1%. A LOT OF THAT'S GOING TO DEPEND ON THE DIRECTION THAT YOU GUYS GIVE, REALLY, IN TERMS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND EVERYTHING ELSE. IS IT GOING TO BE A 10% INCREASE? PROBABLY NOT.

BUT IT'S POSSIBLE. RIGHT. SO I JUST PICKED A NUMBER IN THE MIDDLE JUST FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE CONVERSATION. SO IF WE TAKE AND ASSUME THAT IN THE YEAR 2040 WITH A 5% INCREASE IN POPULATION, WHICH WE ALREADY KNOW, DALLAS COUNTY IS GOING TO BE BETWEEN 1 AND 20. SO I THINK IT'S STILL A PRETTY CONSERVATIVE NUMBER BY THE YEAR 2040, IF WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE 2.7 PEOPLE LIVING PER HOUSING UNIT TO ACCOMMODATE THAT, 40,950 PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING IN THE

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THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ROOM TO PUT A LOT OF STUFF IN IT. YOU HAVE TO BE SUPER FOCUSED. PRIORITY COUNCIL MEMBER GOODEN EVERYTHING CANNOT GO INTO THE LITTLE BUCKE. YOU HAVEN'T BEEN SHOPPING WITH ME. THUS, THE REASON FOR THE SMALLER SIZE. SO HERE'S A PRACTICE QUESTION KIND OF GET YOU STARTED. WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT TONIGHT. WHEN SHOULD WE PLAN CONSTRUCTION OF EITHER A NEW OR UPDATED SERVICE CENTER. AND SPECIFICALLY I SAID EITHER NEW OR UPDATED.

WHEN SHOULD THAT HAPPEN? SHOULD IT BE IN THE SHORT TERM BUCKET? THAT LITTLE BUCKET? SHOULD IT BE THE MEDIUM OR THE LONG? IT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED IN 2025, 2027. AND THEN WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS WE'RE GOING TO START LISTING HERE ON THE BOARDS, KIND OF WHERE SOME OF THESE FALL RIGHT? YES, MA'AM. SO YOU'RE ASKING US TO PICK A BUCKET, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO CHOOSE A BUCKET. SO DOES PLANNING COST ANYTHING? IS THERE A HIGH LEVEL, HIGH LEVEL, 30 ZERO ZERO ZERO FOOT. REMEMBER, WITH YOU IN MIND WITH WITH YOU IN MIND SOME OF THE QUESTIONS LATER ARE GOING TO SAY AS AN OPTION. I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MAKE A DECISION.

RIGHT. AND I WAS THINKING ABOUT YOU WHEN I ACTUALLY PUT THAT IN THERE. SO YEAH, BUT FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS, THIS IS JUST A WARM UP. THIS IS A WARM UP 30,000. IDEALLY. WHEN WOULD YOU LIKE TO CUT THE RIBBON ON THE EITHER NEW OR RENOVATED SERVICE CENTER. HOW DO WE GET I WOULD LIKE TO CUT THE RIBBON. THIS SYSTEM DOES CAPTURE ALL THE RESULTS. AND WE'LL PROVIDE ALL THIS STUFF TO YOU LATER ON. EVERYTHING. SHORT TERM BUCKET. MEDIUM OR LONG TERM? SHOULD IT BE DONE IN 2520, 27? WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE THERE FOR THAT PHOTO OP AND RIBBON CUTTING IN THE YEAR 25, 26, 27? OR IS IT 28 TO 32, OR IS IT LONGER? IS THE PD GOING TO BE ONE OF THESE QUESTIONS TO ONE QUESTION AT A TIME? AND AGAIN, I'M NOT NECESSARILY THE POINT OF TONIGHT IS NOT REALLY TO TALK WHILE WHILE NOT EVERYTHING IS GOING TO FIT IN THE BUCKET. I'M REALLY NOT LOOKING FOR YOU TO MAKE DECISIONS TONIGHT ON FUNDING SOLUTIONS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

WE'RE TRYING TO GAUGE WHERE YOU BELIEVE THESE PROJECTS SHOULD FALL, SO THAT WE CAN THEN START TO HYPER FOCUS ON THESE SPECIFIC PROJECTS AND BRING FUNDING SOLUTIONS BACK. AND THAT TRAIN RIDE, AS OPPOSED TO THE ROLLER COASTER, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE HOUSED IN SERVICE, HOW MANY PEOPLE EMPLOYEES 50, 60. WORKFORCE EMPLOYED, I BELIEVE 65. AND THEN PARKS. SO MAYBE IT'S ACTUALLY 7075 ISH 75 IN THAT FIELD? YES. SEE THAT? SEE, I NEED TO KNOW THAT. THAT'S FIN.

THAT'S WHERE IT'S A DISCUSSION AT THE SERVICE. YES. WELL, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE TEMPORARILY THERE. THE OLD FIRE STATION, BUT THEY NEED TO GO BACK WITH THE SERVICE CENTER ONCE IT'S. YES. OKAY. SO IT LOOKS LIKE SHORT TERM, THERE'S A FEW MORE VOTES FOR SHORT TERM ACTUALLY. WOULD YOU MIND. SO WHAT JENNIFER'S GOING TO DO IS JENNIFER'S GOING TO LIST THE SERVICE CENTER JUST ON THE SHORT TERM LIST UP HERE. AND AGAIN, THERE'S NO RIGHT OR WRONG TO ANY OF THIS. THIS IS JUST WE'RE LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK FROM YOU SO THAT WE KNOW HOW TO PLAN FOR SOME OF THESE PROJECTS. WELL, MR. CITY MANAGER. YES, MA'AM. SO IT'S ALREADY ON THE BOARD. WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO BACK AND REVISIT ONCE WE HAVE THE INFORMATION TO. THAT WOULD BE PHASE TWO. THIS IS JUST THE OKAY. OKAY. SO WHAT THIS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE DOING THESE LONG TERM PLANS LIKE THIS FOR 15 YEARS, IT'S SOMETHING THAT TAKES A LITTLE BIT OF TIME.

OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE CAN DO IN ONE NIGHT. SO WE'VE GOT TO KIND OF WORK THROUGH THIS AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK WITH THE DETAILS ON THE FINANCES AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. OKAY, SO JENNIFER MENTIONED THE APRIL 9TH MEETING. I WANT TO TAKE YOU A STEP FURTHER BACK. NOVEMBER 2ND AND THIRD OF 2023. YOU HAD A RETREAT AND YOU TALKED ABOUT SPECIFIC ITEMS THAT YOU WANTED TO SEE OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. I'M NOT GOING TO READ THEM ALL, BUT THERE WAS THE BUILDING NEEDS ASSESSMENT. THE FIREFIGHTERS, POLICE FACILITY, ARMY, THOSE WERE ALL SOME OF THE MOST PRESSING THINGS FOR THIS YEAR. RIGHT ON DOWN TO 27. THERE WAS A FILLING VACANCIES TO SOFTWARE

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RIGHT, IS THAT THAT'S KIND OF, GENERALLY SPEAKING, WHERE WE'RE AT. SO I WANT TO SHOW YOU SOMETHING. I WENT THROUGH THIS LIST. AND I WANT TO WALK THROUGH THIS AND REALLY KIND OF CATEGORIZE THESE AS THREE DIFFERENT THINGS. EITHER THERE'S SOMETHING IS IN PROGRESS OR FUNDING WAS NEVER IDENTIFIED, SO NOTHING HAS REALLY MOVED FORWARD OR IT'S NOT REALLY A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT BECAUSE THIS REALLY TIES INTO SOME OF THE OTHER STUFF THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT AND SOME OF THE NEEDS. SO THE BUILDING NEEDS ASSESSMENT, WE COMPLETED THAT THAT WAS PROVIDED TO US. THAT'S ACTUALLY DONE ADDING SIX FIREFIGHTERS. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A CIP ITEM, HOWEVER. WE JUST HAVE A TEST. THIS PAST WAS IT LAST SATURDAY TWO WEEKS AGO, TWO WEEKS AGO HAD SOME GREAT CANDIDATES FROM THAT THAT SEEMS TO BE MOVING FORWARD.

DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY VACANCIES OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD? I SHOULD HAVE ASKED YOU FOUR.

THERE'S FOUR CURRENT VACANCIES, SO IT MADE A LITTLE BIT OF PROGRESS. WE HAVEN'T ADDED SIX, BUT THERE IS SOME PROGRESS THERE AND THERE'S A FEW THINGS IN THE WORKS, IF I CAN CLARIFY THAT.

YEAH. SIX ADDITIONAL POSITIONS, SIX ADDITIONAL POSITIONS, SIX ADDITIONAL NON-FUNDED POSITIONS.

YEAH OKAY OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. JUST FOR POINT OF CLARIFICATION. POLICE FACILITY. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU GUYS WERE TALKING ABOUT. WHEN IT COMES TO POLICE FACILITY, THERE'S NO WAY TO BUILD A POLICE FACILITY ON A BRAND NEW FACILITY. AND IN ONE YEAR, AND I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT GOT. NO IDEA HOW THAT GOT THERE. I'M NOT SURE, BUT I REMEMBER THAT DISCUSSION AND IT WAS ABOUT EITHER A RENOVATION OR ACTUALLY IT WAS A RENOVATION KIND OF DISCUSSED. BUT YEAH, BUT SO I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT GOT INTO THE ONE YEAR GAP. OKAY. BUT IT'S A PRIORITY. BUT YEAH I THINK THAT'S WHAT. YEAH. OKAY. ARMY OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW WE'VE BEEN HAVING A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT. WE DO HAVE THE RFQ NOW. THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE WAITING ON BECAUSE WE'RE ABOUT READY TO RELEASE THE RFQ SO THAT THAT CAN GO OUT. SO WE CAN GET RESPONSES IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE GRANT PROGRAM THROUGH THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD. THAT'S THE ONE WHERE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WHERE THERE'S LOAN FORGIVENESS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT TO HELP UNDERWRITE THE COST. WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT MORE AND DISCUSS THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. WE'RE DOING THAT TONIGHT. WE'RE STARTING THAT GOAL IS TO HAVE THAT DONE BY THE END OF THE YEAR. TEN MILE DRAINAGE. THERE'S BEEN SOME WORK ON TEN MILE DRAINAGE, THE TEN MILE DRAINAGE IS ALMOST COMPLETE. IT'S ABOUT 980%. AND THAT'S THE RETAINING WALL THAT

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ALL RIGHT. COMPLETE THE BOND. I'M ASSUMING THAT WAS THE 2018 BOND PROJECT TO COMPLETE THE BOND. LISTEN, YOU GUYS TONIGHT JUST SOLVED A LOT OF THE PROBLEMS. BART AND I JUST SAID BART WAS LOOKING FOR THAT DIRECTION FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. WE NOW HAVE A DIRECTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A LOT OF THAT PARK STUFF. YES. WE'LL HAVE TO COME BACK AND REVISIT PHASE TWO, BUT BY THIS TIME NEXT YEAR, PHASE ONE AND THREE WILL ALMOST BE DONE. WELL, THAT'S LIKELY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT. THOSE DOWNTOWN VISION COUNCIL MEMBER COMBS AND I WALKED AROUND DOWNTOWN A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, AND THERE'S DEFINITELY NEED. THERE WAS A VISIONING DOCUMENT, RIGHT. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M REALLY PROUD OF YOU GUYS FOR TAKING ON IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BECAUSE THAT IS GOING TO REALLY DRIVE THAT. WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE COMMUNITY ENVISIONS FOR DOWNTOWN, RIGHT. DOES THE COMMUNITY WANT IT TO SAY JUST LIKE IT IS? IS THE COMMUNITY OKAY WITH IT GOING UP 3 OR 4 STORIES? THOSE ARE ALL THE TYPES OF THINGS AND INCORPORATING IT. THAT'S ALL GOING TO GET FLESHED OUT AS YOU GUYS GO THROUGH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROCESS. THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT SESSIONS, YOU GUYS HAVE THE CONVERSATIONS AND YOU START TO LOOK AT CONCEPTS AND PEOPLE CAN. THE CONSULTANT WILL ACTUALLY PUT UP, YOU KNOW, SIX DIFFERENT PICTURES AND ASK PEOPLE TO SAY, WHICH ONE DO YOU NOT LIKE, RIGHT. AND THAT TYPE OF STUFF. AND SO YOU GO THROUGH THAT LITTLE EXERCISE, LOOK, JUMPING OVER A YEAR AHEAD SALARY BENEFIT TMRS. WE JUST DID IT AS PART OF THE BUDGET. WOOHOO. GO AHEAD ON THAT REGIONAL TRAINING FACILITY. I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK TO THAT AND IT'S NOT FUN TO DO IT. POSITION ISN'T REALLY A CIP HARRINGTON BOND PROJECT. YOU SOLVE THAT TONIGHT. SO SEE ACTIONS IN PROGRESS WITH THAT. SPORTS TOURISM. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A CIP BUT IT COULD BE. I'M GOING TO JUST TIE IN THE FIELDHOUSE THERE. WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE FIELDHOUSE IN A LITTLE BIT. OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE WORK TO DO IN THAT REGARD. DRAINAGE STUDY. WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS RIGHT.

WE'VE YOU KNOW, DO WE HAVE A PROPOSAL. NOT YET, BUT IT'S IN THE WORKS. YES, IN THE WORKS. SO WE'RE WE'RE WE JUST HAVE THE UPDATED PREQUALIFIED LIST FOR ENGINEERS THAT WE CAN REACH OUT TO REQUEST PROPOSALS. AND THAT'S GOING TO BE OUR NEXT STEP IS JUST USE THAT PRE-QUALIFIED LIST TO ASK FOR PROPOSALS TO DO A DRAINAGE STUDY. FILLING VACANCIES IS AN ONGOING TASK, BUT YOU GUYS FILLED A LOT OF VACANCIES THIS YEAR. DIRECTORS ASSISTANT DIRECTORS, AND THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE ORGANIZATION WE HAVE BEEN FILLING A LOT OF VACANCIES THIS YEAR. TRAFFIC OPERATIONS, NOT NECESSARILY A CIP, ALTHOUGH SOME OF THE BIGGER STUFF COULD BE.

IT'S NOT NECESSARILY FUNDED. WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT. A THIRD FIRE STATION HAS COME UP A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT TIMES. IN SOME CONVERSATIONS. I REALLY BELIEVE THE RESULTS OF THE MATRIX STUDY WILL HELP GUIDE US IN TERMS OF DO WE NEED A THIRD STATION OR NOT? IS A WARRANTED NOT IF IT I, WHERE SHOULD IT BE? WHAT ARE THE SERVICE AREAS? THAT TYPE OF THING. SO THE MATRIX GROUP IS REQUIRED TO HAVE US, THE MATRIX REPORT THEIR PROMISE WAS THE FIRST YEAR I REACHED OUT TO THEM LAST WEEK AND I SAID, IT'S HERE. WHERE'S WHERE'S THE REPORT? THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE PROVIDING ME WITH THE DRAFT REPORT EITHER TODAY OR TOMORROW OR OR THURSDAY. AND THE FIRE THEY DID TELL ME IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE DELAYED A LITTLE BIT, BUT A WEEK OR TWO. BUT THE POLICE WILL HAVE IT WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS. SO WE REALLY WILL HAVE THAT INFORMATION. AND THAT IS VERY MUCH IN PROGRESS. REMODEL FIRE STATION TWO. WE NEED TO IDENTIFY SOME FUNDING SOURCES. WE'RE GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT IN A SECOND.

WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE FIRE STUFF, PARKS, TRAILS, LAB PROPERTY, CIP SOFTWARE, WE'VE TALKED TO YOU ABOUT OPENGOV THAT'S MOVING FORWARD. I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THE LONG TERM STUFF BECAUSE A LOT OF THAT STILL NEEDS FUNDING. AND WE'VE GOT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THOSE AS WE GO THROUGH THE INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS. BUT THERE ACTUALLY HAS BEEN A LOT GOING ON THIS YEAR IN TERMS OF MAYBE WE'RE NOT ABLE TO CHECK ALL THE BOXES AS COMPLETE, BUT A LOT OF THE JUST BELOW THE SURFACE, YOU THINK ABOUT AN ICEBERG. YOU ONLY SEE THE VERY TIP OF IT STICKING OUT. RIGHT? BUT ALL THAT STUFF THAT'S HAPPENING BELOW THE SURFACE AND STAFF IS REALLY WORKING HARD ON A LOT OF THESE INITIATIVES. QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, THOUGHTS?

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WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT SERVICE CENTER. WE TALKED ABOUT THE DRAINAGE ASSESSMENT. WE TALKED ABOUT REGIONAL DISPATCH, THE CA, RMS SYSTEM. CHIEF STOGNER AND I WERE AT A MEETING TODAY, LITERALLY WAS THE KICKOFF MEETING TODAY. IT'S MOVING FORWARD AND THERE'LL BE SOME STEERING COMMITTEES CREATED BETWEEN POLICE AND FIRE AND ALL THREE CITIES. AND THAT'S ALL MOVING FORWARD. AND THEN THERE'S THE FIRE ENGINE, FIRE ENGINES TYPICALLY, OR EQUIPMENT I SHOULD SAY TYPICALLY IS NOT NECESSARILY A CIP. BUT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT $1.7 MILLION PIECE OF EQUIPMENT, YOU'D HAVE TO REALLY PLAN FOR IT IN THE LONG TERM. SO IT DEFINITELY DOES QUALIFY AS A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT. PLUS, IT TAKES 3 OR 4 YEARS TO GET ONE. ABSOLUTELY MENTIONED THE GOALS HERE OF THE CIP EARLIER FOR THE NEXT 15 YEARS. I EMAILED SOMETHING OUT TO YOU AS PART OF THE ARE. YOU'LL SEE IT ON THE LIST OVER THERE. YOU SEE IT IN THE BIG EXCEL SPREADSHEET THAT JENNIFER PUT TOGETHER, WHERE IT ACTUALLY HAS ALL THE PRIORITY TYPE STUFF. BUT THOSE PRIORITIES ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR PRIORITY SHORT TERM CRITICAL AND IMMEDIATE NEED. PRIORITY TWO IT'S NECESSARY. SHORT TERM MEDIUM EXPANSION PROJECTS LONGER TERM IN PRIORITY FOUR. BUT AGAI, WE CAN'T FUND $50 MILLION IN YEAR ONE OF THAT $75 MILLION BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT CRAZY ROLLER COASTER, RIGHT. SO THAT'S WHERE WE'VE GOT TO COLLECTIVELY REEVALUATE AND TRIM THAT UP SO THAT WE'RE RIDING THE TRAIN RATHER THAN THE ROLLER COASTER. SORRY, RICHARD, I KNOW YOU LOVE ROLLER COASTERS. SO TONIGHT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OUR MAJOR DEPARTMENTS. HOW AWESOME IS THIS? I MEAN, I THE CITY OF DUNCANVILLE HAS SO MANY ASSETS. THESE ARE REALLY ASSETS. WE HAVE AN INCREDIBLE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT FIRE DEPARTMENT, POLICE DEPARTMENT. WE'VE GOT THE FIELDHOUSE, LIBRARY, PARKS AND REC AND THEN ALL THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT STUFF, WHICH IS ALL OF OUR OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT HELP KEEP EVERYTHING MOVING FORWARD. BUT IT'S REALLY AMAZING. THE CITY HAS A LOT OF INCREDIBLE ASSETS, FACILITIES. AND I HAVE TO TELL YOU, I PROBABLY BIASED, ESPECIALLY SINCE I HIRED MOST OF THEM. BUT WE HAVE INCREDIBLE STAFF AND OUR STAFF GENUINELY CARES. AND EVERY SINGLE MONDAY AT 230, WE HAVE A MEETING IN THIS ROOM WITH ALL THE DIRECTORS AND EXECUTIVE DIRECTORS, AND I WILL TELL YOU HOW MUCH THEY CARE. AND THEY TALK ABOUT THE THINGS HAPPENING IN THEIR DEPARTMENTS, AND THEY TALK ABOUT MAKING THINGS BETTER FOR THE CITY. ALL RIGHT. FIRST UP OF OUR BIG LIST HERE, THE FIELD HOUSE. SO CRAIG'S HERE.

AND CRAIG YOU CERTAINLY CAN HELP JUMP IN HERE. THE NEEDS OF THE FIELD HOUSE THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. AND DAVID, THE FIELD HOUSE REPORTS UP THROUGH TO DAVID AND DAVID'S BEEN WORKING ON SOME STUFF. THERE'S A COUPLE OF NEEDS THAT I'VE IDENTIFIED SPECIFICALLY IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. THE HVAC SYSTEM. WE HAVE QUOTES NOW.

IT'S ABOUT GIVE OR TAKE 1.2, RIGHT. THAT'S ABOUT WHAT THE NEW QUOTE IS, THE ESTIMATE, RIGHT, THAT WE'VE RECEIVED. WE KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME NEEDS WITH THE FLOORING OF THE FIELD HOUSE, ALL THE YEARS OF THE NEGLECTED HVAC SYSTEM AND THE HUMIDITY, AND THE BUILDING HAS STARTED TO HAVE ITS IMPACT ON THE FLOORS IN THE FIELD HOUSE. YOU'RE PROBABLY TALKING UPWARDS OF CLOSE TO $1 MILLION FOR THAT. KITCHEN UPGRADES, CARPET REPLACEMENT, OUTDOOR PATIO. THE OUTDOOR PATIO THERE, AND THEN THE MURAL. THE MURAL IS LISTED IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT AS A $50,000 EXPENSE. IT'S THE MAIN MURAL OUTSIDE THE BUILDING. THERE. BOY, YOU KNOW THIS TO ME SCREAMS MAJOR OPPORTUNITY FOR THE ARTS COMMISSION. WE ARE DISCUSSING MURAL POLICY AND GETTING IT SIGNED. THE COMMISSION TO DISCUSS HOW TO MOVE. RIGHT. BUT A LOT OF LOT OF OPPORTUNITY THERE, OBVIOUSLY. DAVID, DO YOU WANT TO SHARE MAYBE WHAT YOU CAN SHARE AT THIS POINT IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE RECENT CONVERSATIONS, WITHOUT GOING INTO ALL THE DETAIL, JUST. YEAH, I MEAN, WE'VE GOT PROBABLY 3 OR 4 OUTSIDE ENTITIES THAT ARE JUST INTERESTED IN HAVING A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT. IN ADDITION TO THAT, MANY OF THEM, AS PART OF THAT, WOULD DO A FEASIBILITY STUDY BEFORE ACTUALLY TRYING TO PARTNER WITH THE CITY ON IT. AND SO THEY HAVE INDICATED THAT THEY

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YES. SO IT LOOKS LIKE MOST EVERYBODY AGREES, ESPECIALLY FOR THE HVAC, THAT THAT SHOULD BE IN THE SHORT TERM BUCKET. AND THEN WE'LL CERTAINLY COME BACK WITH SOME MORE DETAILS IN TERMS OF THE FLOORING. ANOTHER QUESTION FOR YOU. THIS IS A IT'S A STATEMENT WITH YOU ACTUALLY GRADING FIELDHOUSE. WE SHOULD PURSUE THE FOLLOWING AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. YOU EITHER CHOOSE SOMEWHERE ON THAT SPECTRUM. EITHER YOU STRONGLY AGREE ON THE LEFT OR STRONGLY DISAGREE ON THE LEFT, OR STRONGLY AGREE ON THE RIGHT. YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO SLIDE THE LITTLE BAR ACROSS THERE AND YOU DO THEM FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL ONE. KITCHEN UPGRADES ABOUT 100,000. CARPET REPLACEMENT 50,000. OUTDOOR PATIO ■K7150,000 REPAIR REPLACEMENT 50,000. OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S A LOT OF DETAILS TO WALK THROUGH IN TERMS OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, KITCHEN UPGRADES, 100,000.

AND I CERTAINLY AM NOT SAYING ANYTHING THAT I HAVEN'T ALREADY HAD A CONVERSATION WITH CRAIG ABOUT. BUT MAYBE INSTEAD OF US DOING THE KITCHEN UPGRADE, MAYBE WE PUT OUT AN RFP AND SEE IF ONE OF OUR LOCAL SMALL BUSINESSES WANTS TO RUN THE KITCHEN AND THE WHOLE FOOD FACILITY, AND THEY DO IT MAYBE AS A SAVINGS OR THERE'S JUST SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS TO LOOK AT, RIGHT? CARPET REPLACEMENT, THE OUTDOOR PATIO, FINISHING THAT UP AND REALLY GETTING THAT AS A NICE, USABLE SPACE, ESPECIALLY IF WE HAVE DIFFERENT FOOD CHOICES AND EVERYTHING THERE AT THE FIELDHOUSE. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE MURAL REPAIR AND REPLACEMENT THAT COULD EASILY, I WOULD THINK WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO PARTNER WITH THE ARTS COMMISSION IN SOME WAY OR FASHION ON THAT. SO.

LET'S WAIT A FEW MORE MOMENTS. SO LOOKS LIKE I SEE KITCHEN UPGRADES OR DOING SOMETHING ASSOCIATED WITH THAT AS A YES. I SEE A LOT OF THE REST OF THE STUFF. I'M NOT SO SURE WHETHER OR NOT YOU REALLY. IT'S KIND OF THAT HALFWAY POINT ON THE SCALE. THERE IS A GRADE OF 29 AND OR A 2.9. I'M SORRY. AND SOME OF THE OTHER STUFF IS FALLING A LITTLE JUST SHORT OF THAT. SO THOSE OBVIOUSLY WOULD BE DIFFERENT CONVERSATIONS THAT WE WOULD HAVE IN TERMS OF LONG TERM PLANNING OF THE FIELDHOUSE. AND MAYBE WHAT HAPPENS THERE. BUT CLEARLY THERE'S A LOT OF CONSENSUS FOR MOVING FORWARD WITH THE HVAC STUFF. PERHAPS MAYBE SOME OF THE KITCHEN STUFF. AND A LOT OF THE

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I'M CURIOUS WHO THE CONSENSUS IS AMONG. I'M JUST REFERRING TO THE MOST DOTS HERE. OBVIOUSLY, THIS ISN'T A COUNCIL VOTE. THIS IS JUST FOR PLANNING EXERCISES TO BRING BACK TO THE COUNCIL FOR A VOTE. BUT THE MAJORITY IN TERMS OF THE HVAC WAS IN THAT SHORT TERM BUCKET. WHAT'S SOME OF THE ISSUES WITH THE OUTDOOR PATIO? I DON'T EVER SEE IT BEING USED. IS IT UNSAFE? WELL, IT IT'S NOT BEING USED BECAUSE THERE'S IT DIDN'T GET FINISHED. THERE'S NO PATIO FURNITURE. THERE'S NO LIGHTING. WE GOT DOWN THE ROAD BACK IN THE DAY AND COVID KIND OF WAS THE KILLER. THEN WHEN WE CAME OUT OF COVID, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK OUT OF TURN, BUT I THINK WE LOST OUR FUNDING BECAUSE THE CITY CHANGED POPULATION. AND SO THE MONIES THAT WE HAD, WE DON'T HAVE AND IT'S BEEN KIND OF SITTING AND WAITING WITH THE TRANSITION OF THE CITY GOVERNMENT THROUGH THE PAST 3 OR 4 YEARS, HERE WE ARE TODAY. SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL FOR OUTDOOR PARTIES AND THINGS. CERTAINLY RIGHT OFF THE KITCHEN RIGHT THERE. YEAH. SO IF WE HAD AN OPERABLE KITCHEN, SUFFICIENT KITCHEN THEN I WOULD THINK THAT THE PATIO WOULD GO ALONG WITH THE KITCHEN. SO THAT WAY WE UTILIZE. YEAH. SO YOU KNOW SOME OF THIS I WAS KIND OF SORT OF KIND OF CONTINGENT ON SOME OF THE POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE HAVE, BUT IT KIND OF GOES BACK TO THE KITCHEN THAT PATIO RESTAURANT, OUTDOOR SEATING CONCEPT. SO YEAH. SO A LOT OF THIS, I'M JUST KIND OF WAITING TO SEE WHAT SOME OF THESE OPPORTUNITIES ARE INSIDE. AND I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT CARPET REPLACING CARPET IS THAT THE ISSUE IS, IS THAT UPSTAIRS? WHERE'S THE PARK? WHAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED IS UPSTAIRS AND ON THE LANDING WE'VE ALREADY REPLACED THE DOWNSTAIRS. BUT THE UPSTAIRS, IT'S JUST OLD. OLD AND ANTIQUATED. I'D JUST LIKE TO MAKE A GENERAL COMMENT. I MEAN, I SEE HOW IT'S KIND OF FOLDING, AND I'M KIND OF LIKE JEREMY A LITTLE BIT ABOUT BEING KIND OF CAUTIOUS ON THAT. BUT I'M GOING TO TELL YOU IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO A PROJECT AND YOU ONLY DO IT HALFWAY, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE HAPPY, RIGHT? CORRECT. ANY OTHER THOUGHTS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THE FIELDHOUSE? ALL RIGHT. WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

ACTUALLY, JENNIFER, CAN YOU. I'M WONDERING IF THE SPLIT THERE WAS POTENTIALLY ALSO WITH THE FLOORING. SO MAYBE JUST LESS FLOORING ON THE MEETING FOR RIGHT NOW. WE'LL COME BACK AND REVISIT IT ANYWAY AND POTENTIALLY ALSO THE KITCHEN UPGRADES. BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. IF YOU'RE GOING TO INVEST, YOU PROBABLY WANT TO DO IT ALL AT ONCE. AND YOU HAVE TO COME BACK WITH A MORE DYNAMIC PLAN ON THAT. SO ALL RIGHT, LET ME MOVE OVER TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. SO THERE'S BEEN SOME REALLY POSITIVE THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT THIS YEAR IN ADDITION TO HAVING A BRAND NEW FIRE CHIEF. RIGHT. CHIEF HEALY, WE'RE GLAD YOU'RE HERE. IN TERMS OF OUR ASSETS, THE SIDEWALK HAS BEEN REPAIRED AT STATION TWO.

FULL ADA COMPLIANCE. NOW. PLUMBING REPAIRS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED AT STATION TWO. IT WAS BAD. IT SMELLED TERRIBLE. WE'RE ALL SEWAGE AND EVERYTHING ELSE. AND REALLY GETTING THAT DONE WAS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT. THE FLOORING HAS BEEN FIXED. THE PIERS WERE WERE REPAIRED EARLIER THIS YEAR. THEY ACTUALLY HAD TO CUT HOLES IN THE FLOOR, FILL THOSE WITH NEW CONCRETE, DO THE SUPPORT BEAMS AND EVERYTHING. THAT'S PROBABLY CONTRIBUTED TO SOME OF THE PLUMBING ISSUES WITH IT MOVING AND EVERYTHING ELSE. SO THAT WAS DONE. THE CARPET WAS REPAIRED, REPAIRED WHERE ALL OF YOUR OFFICES REPLACED AT STATION TWO ARE JUST IT WAS REPAIRED WHERE THE. IT LOOKS LIKE ALL OF THEM WERE. I THINK THEY WERE REPLACED. I DON'T SEE A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCES IN THEIR LITTLE SQUARES. SO ON THE ADMINISTRATION SIDE OF THE ADMINISTRATION. YES. YEAH. YEAH.

CARPET DOESN'T WORK. WELL. YEAH. THEY DON'T EVER DO THAT. HVAC WAS DONE. STATION TWO AND STATION ONE. WE WERE ALL THERE FOR THE RIBBON CUTTING OF THAT. SO I MEAN COME ON. THAT'S THAT'S SOME PRETTY COOL STUFF. THERE WERE SOME ACCOMPLISHMENTS IN 2024. SO THAT'S GOOD. THAT'S GOOD. AND I KNOW THAT THAT'S GONE A LONG WAY. I'VE HEARD FROM A LOT OF THE FIREFIGHTERS THAT THEY APPRECIATED NOT SMELLING ALL SEWAGE AND EVERYTHING DOWN AT STATION TWO, OBVIOUSLY THAT YOU COULD PREVIOUSLY SMELL THAT HAD BEEN THAT WAY FOR A LITTLE BIT. SO I DON'T THIS IS MY FIRST TIME HEARING THAT THE PLUMBING. IT'S POSSIBLE THAT IT JUST WAS NEVER BROUGHT TO, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THESE REPAIRS WERE EITHER EMERGENCY REPAIRS. THERE WAS NOTHING THAT NECESSARILY CAME TO

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THE CABINETS ARE OLD. SOME OF YOU HAVE SEEN THEM. I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S FRESH FROM 1970.

THE KITCHEN CABINETS IN THAT KITCHEN, GREASY, DIRTY. I MEAN, THINK ABOUT IT FROM THE FIREFIGHTERS PERSPECTIVE, RIGHT? THEY'RE COOKING BREAKFAST. THEY'RE COOKING LUNCH, WHATEVER.

THEY'RE THEY'RE IN THE STATION. ALL OF A SUDDEN THE ALARM GOES OFF. THEY'RE LITERALLY SHUTTING IT OFF. THE FOOD'S STILL ON THE GRIDDLE OR WHATEVER, AND THEY'RE TAKING OFF TO GO RESPOND TO THE CALL. AND THEN THEY'RE COMING BACK AND TRYING TO GO THROUGH THAT WHOLE PROCESS AGAIN IN THE KITCHEN. I WILL TELL YOU, THE KITCHEN IS PRETTY SAD SHAPE. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I WOULD BE PROUD TO HAVE OUR EMPLOYEES. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I PERSONALLY WOULD BE PROUD TO HAVE TO EAT OR COOK ON EVERY SINGLE DAY. THE OTHER THING IS, THEY'RE THEY'RE ROOMS WHERE THEY ACTUALLY SLEEP. THEY'RE THEY'RE THEY DON'T GET TO GO HOME AT 5:00 AND GO HOME RIGHT. AND SLEEP IN THEIR NICE, WARM, COMFORTABLE BED. SO THE AREAS WHERE THEY'RE ACTUALLY AT, YOU KNOW, IS, IS PRETTY OLD AND IT'S NEED SOME, SOME TLC. SO. ALL RIGHT. AND AGAIN, ANOTHER VOTING QUESTION AGAIN, HIGH LEVEL CONSTRUCTION OF A THIRD FIRE STATION SHOULD BE PLACED IN WHICH BUCKET THERE IS AN UNKNOWN COLUMN. IF YOU'RE NOT SURE OR IF YOU WANT TO WAIT TILL THE MATRIX REPORT COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS I WILL TELL YOU THAT ARE TAKING PLACE CURRENTLY WITH THE CITY MANAGERS, BECAUSE CEDAR HILL, DESOTO, AND LANCASTER ARE ALL CURRENTLY TALKING ABOUT CONSTRUCTING ADDITIONAL FIRE STATIONS. AND SO WE'VE BEEN HAVING SOME CONVERSATIONS. WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE IF WE DID A REGIONAL STATION THAT COULD RESPOND IN MULTIPLE AREAS WHERE IT MAKES SENSE, INSTEAD OF EACH INDIVIDUAL CITY HAVING THEIR OW? I KNOW THE CHIEFS ARE TALKING ABOUT THAT AS WELL, BUT AT SOME POINT IN TIME, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE GOING TO BUILD 1207 HOUSING UNITS AND THINKING ABOUT AGAIN, DUNCANVILLE 2040, WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT, OKAY, WHEN SHOULD THAT STATION BE BUILT? WHERE SHOULD IT BE, AND WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? SO IS THAT A SATELLITE STATION OR IS THAT A PARK? IS THAT IS THAT A SMALLER SATELLITE STATION? THE PREVIOUS REPORT THAT THE PREVIOUS PARTS YOU GAVE IS IDENTIFIED AS A SATELLITE STATION? I DON'T DISAGREE, I MEAN, MOST LIKELY YOU'RE GOING TO NEED ANOTHER AMBULANCE. SO YOU NEED AT LEAST A TWO BASE STATION FOR WHAT I CALL AN ENGINE COMPANY AND AN AMBULANCE, BECAUSE EMS IS OUR BIGGEST GROWTH AREA SERVICE DEMANDS. BUT THE ENGINE IS PART OF THAT EMS RESPONSE AS WELL AS FIRE RESPONSE. AND IT'S LOOKING MORE ON THE WEST SIDE OF CEDAR RIDGE, WHEATLAND AREA. THERE'S SOME LAND THAT WAS IDENTIFIED IN A PREVIOUS REPORT THAT AND THERE'S TRULY THAT'S THAT'S THE AREA. AND MATRIX. WE'LL SEE IF THEY CONFIRM THAT OR NOT. AND THEIR REPORT THAT THERE'S A NEED FOR A THIRD FIRE STATION AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE GROWTH THAT'S EXPECTED IN REGIONAL, REALLY WOULDN'T HELP US WITH THAT. THEN IT MAY NOT. RIGHT? RIGHT. CORRECT. AND THAT THIRD STATION, I GUESS THAT

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VERY GOOD ON THIS ONE I CAN'T REGISTER MY HAND. WON'T LET YOU VOTE. OH YEAH. TO REFRESH IT SOUNDS REAL FAMILIAR. THANK YOU. CHAIR UNCHANGED AFTER I VOTED. DO YOU? REST. ALL RIGHT. NEXT QUESTION. WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THEM GOING. SO WE'LL GET YOU GUYS IN THE SWING OF THINGS AND WE'LL GET GOING HERE A LITTLE QUICKER. RENOVATION IMPROVEMENTS OF STATION TWO SHOULD BE IN WHICH BUCKET LONG TERM 2020 2033 TO 2040. SHORT TERM WOULD BE BLUE. THE 25 TO 27 MEDIUM TERM 2028 TO 2032 OR I JUST DON'T KNOW. THERE'S NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO BE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE POLICE STATION. THERE WILL BE DEFINITELY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE POLICE STATION. AGAIN, NOT LOOKING FOR YOU TO SOLVE FUNDING PROBLEMS TONIGHT. THIS IS JUST WANT TO ADD A COMMENT. I WENT TO THE FIRE STATION NUMBER TWO BACK IN SEPTEMBER, AND THOSE GUYS CARE ABOUT THAT PLACE. THEY'VE PUT THEIR OWN TIME AND SWEAT AND MATERIALS INTO UPKEEP AND PAINTING THE FACILITY. I THINK SOME OF YOU KNOW, I'VE SHARED WITH FIREFIGHTERS, AS I WAS DOWN TALKING WITH THEM, HAVING BREAKFAST THE FIRST COUPLE OF WEEKS THAT I WAS HERE, WE TOOK A PHOTO IN THE DAY ROOM AND THERE WAS SOME BLACK SOOT WHATEVER ON THE WALLS LIKE ABOVE THE AC VENT, AND I SAID, I HAVE TO SEND A PHOTO TO MY DAUGHTER. AND HER HUSBAND IS ASSISTANT CHIEF. AND INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, HER HER HUSBAND IS A HUGE FAN OF CHIEF CORNELIUS AND HAS FOR MANY YEARS. AND SO BUT THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE LIKE, YEAH, THAT'S COOL ABOUT THE PHOTO BOOK. WHAT ABOUT THE BLACK STUFF ON THE WALL? AND HOW COME NOT, YOU KNOW, AND SO I KNOW THAT THAT JUST RECENTLY GOT REPAINTED. THANK YOU FOR GETTING THAT DONE AND EVERYTHING. BUT JUST THOSE LITTLE THINGS, THEY GO A LONG WAY MAKING IT OVER THE WELL. THEY CLEARLY TOOK CARE OF IT. YEAH. SO IT'S ME AND YOU NEVER KNOW. I SHOULD GET THAT STRAIGHT. I SHOULD HAVE SAID, DON'T ASK A QUESTION. YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW. IT'S. ALL RIGHT, SO IT LOOKS LIKE SHORT TERM FOR IMPROVEMENTS AT STATION NUMBER TWO. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON FIRE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS? ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ON FIRE AT ALL? NOT. WE'RE GOING TO LET THE FIRE CHIEF GO HOME IF HE WANTS TO. SO YES, YOU KNOW, AS WE'RE LOOKING LONG TERM. SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT CALLS FOR SERVICE, YOU KNOW, DO YOU HAVE ANY NUMBERS OR DATA OR INFORMATION AS FAR AS WHAT YOU EXPECT THAT TO BE? BY I MEAN, I HAVEN'T GOT THAT ALL PERSONALLY LOOKING AT THAT. BUT IN THE FIRE SERVICE AS A WHOLE AND, AND DUNCANVILLE IS TRACKING THAT EMS IS THE HIGHEST GROWTH AREA IN THE FIRE SERVICE. IT THE FIRE SAFETY MEASURES HAS LARGELY GOTTEN OUT THERE STILL CHALLENGES. THEY'RE NOT MINIMIZED FIREFIGHTING BUT EMS CALL VOLUME IS JUST GOING TO CONTINUE TO INCREASE WITH ALL THE ISSUES GOING ON IN SOCIETY FOR GOOD AND BAD, WE'RE LIVING LONGER, BUT WE'RE ALSO GOT MORE, YOU KNOW, SOCIETY ISSUES OF THE NEGATIVE ASPECTS. SO THAT'S INTERESTING. SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU GOT CALLS FOR FIRE, CALLS FOR EMS AND IT'S YES, EMS FAR EXCEEDS THE FIRE GROWTH. YOU STILL GOT TO HAVE ASSETS. AND WE GOT THOSE. EMS IS A BIG CONSIDERATION. THAT'S WHY ANYTIME YOU HAVE A FIRE STATION, YOU NEED TO HAVE AN EMS UNIT AND A PREVIOUS LIFE. HOUSTON, WE WERE DOUBLE STACKING EMS UNITS IN ONE STALL BECAUSE THERE'S SUCH SIGNIFICANT GROWTH IN EMS CALL VOLUME. JUST TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH IT. AND WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF ROOM INSIDE THE STATION. THAT'S WHY YOU SEE MORE BAYS BEING ADDED JUST SO YOU HAVE A PLACE TO PUT THAT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT. AND MOST LIKELY IT'S GOING TO BE AN EMS UNIT. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERESTING, YOU KNOW, JUST TO THINK ABOUT WITH ALL THE EDUCATION THAT'S OUT

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THERE'S, I THINK VICTOR'S OFFIC. I THINK THE LIGHTS WORK IN THAT THERE'S VERY FEW WHERE THE LIGHT WORKS, TO THE POINT WHERE ONE DAY, POLICE CHIEF AND I WERE SITTING IN HIS OFFICE IN THE PITCH BLACK, AND WE COULDN'T EVEN SEE EACH OTHER. AND WE'RE HAVING A CONVERSATION. AND SERIOUSLY, IT'S JUST RIDICULOUS. SINCE THAT TIME, EVEN EARLIER THIS YEAR, OUR GENERATOR HAS NOW JUST SAID, YEAH, THANKS, I'M DONE. I'M RETIRED AND GONE OUT TO PASTURE. SO WE ARE WORKING ON DO WE HAVE QUOTES, HAVE TWO, TWO, A THIRD ONE. WE ARE STILL WORKING ON TRYING TO GET A RESPONSE BACK. THE CONCERN IS AND JOEL HAS BEEN A TROOPER WORKING ON THIS, LOOKING AT DIFFERENT WAYS, COULD WE REPAIR THE CURRENT GENERATOR? COULD REWIRING BE DONE? WE THOUGHT WE HAD A SOLUTION AT ONCE AND THEN WE BASICALLY THE THING JUST GAVE UP. ESSENTIALLY. THAT CONCERNS ME BECAUSE BASICALLY IF THE POWER GOES OUT TO THIS BUILDING RIGHT NOW, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PROBLEM. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PITCH BLACK POLICE DEPARTMENT AND CITY HALL BE COMPLETELY DARK. THAT'S ALL OF OUR NETWORK STUFF. THERE IS A NETWORK GENERATOR, BUT STILL IT'S GOING TO BE A IT'S GOING TO BE A MAJOR PROBLEM. OUR FACILITY NEEDS ASSESSMENT THAT WE JUST RECENTLY COMPLETED. I DO NOT KNOW WHY THOSE TWO ARE STUCK TOGETHER, BUT THAT IDENTIFIES I DON'T KNOW, BUT THAT IDENTIFIES FMA. THANK YOU. SHE'S GOOD. SHE'S GOOD. THAT IDENTIFIES IN THE BACK. THERE'S ALL THE LIST OF ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED. THE FACILITY NEEDS ASSESSMENT. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M JUST KIND OF LISTING UP HERE. FNA ON THE FACILITY NEEDS ASSESSMENT. SO THAT IDENTIFIES NEEDS FOR THE HVAC SYSTEM OF ABOUT $250,000.

CITY HALL BUILDING FACILITY NEEDS ASSESSMENT IDENTIFIES AN EXPANSION OF CITY HALL AT ABOUT $8 MILLION. THAT WOULD BE ADDING MORE SPACE. EXCUSE ME? MORE OFFICES, JUST KIND OF IN GENERAL, THIS IS NOT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. THIS IS JUST CITY HALL WINDOWS, DOORS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. THE FACILITY NEEDS ASSESSMENT IDENTIFIES 90,000 PLUMBING NEEDS HERE. ABOUT 25,000 ADDITIONAL JUST KIND OF GENERAL RENOVATIONS. THEY KIND OF LUMPED IN A GROUP TOGETHER HERE OF ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS JUST ON CITY HALL. SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT NINE, ALMOST $10 MILLION, INCLUDING AN EXPANSION OF CITY HALL. IF YOU WERE TO DO THAT OF JUST CITY HALL, REAL NEEDS THERE YOU COVID-19 4 OR $500,000 THAT YOU KNOW, THE GENERATOR PROBABLY BEING ONE OF THE BIGGEST IMMEDIATE NEEDS, ONE OF THREE IS THE BUILDING ACROSS THE PARKING LOT. THEY IDENTIFY ABOUT 793,000IN RENOVATIONS AS NEEDS IN THE FACILITY NEEDS ASSESSMENT. WE KNOW THAT THERE'S A NEED FOR A GENERATOR IN THAT BUILDING, AND THEN SOME LARGER NETWORK TYPE SOFTWARE TYPE STUF, TECHNOLOGY TYPE STUFF. IT PROBABLY SHOULD SAY TECHNOLOGY SOLUTIONS INSTEAD OF SOFTWARE SOLUTIONS AND LIGHTING FOR A TOTAL OF ABOUT $10 MILLION FOR CITY HALL SLASH 103 RENOVATIONS.

SO WITH THAT, IN MIND, CAN I ASK YOU A SERIES OF QUESTIONS? SO A GENERATOR FOR CITY HALL SLASH POLICE SHOULD BE IN WHICH BUCKET? IMMEDIATE SHORT TERM, MEDIUM TERM, LONG TERM. OR UNKNOWN OR YOU DON'T THINK WE NEED ONE? THE GOOD NEWS IS, CHIEF, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SIT IN YOUR OFFICE IN THE DARK ANYMORE, BECAUSE I DON'T SEE ANYBODY VOTING. NO OR OR SOMETHING. ALL RIGHT, SO WE'LL PUT THAT ONE ON THE SHORT TERM BUCKET. MOVING RIGHT ALONG CITY HALL RENOVATIONS SUCH AS HVAC, WINDOWS, DOORS, ETC. SHOULD BE IN WHICH BUCKET DO YOU THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT? I WOULD ALSO, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT LISTED ON HERE, I WOULD TELL YOU THAT I'VE DONE WITH THE PRIOR MUNICIPALITY ENERGY AUDITS, AND I THINK THAT THERE IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING REALLY TO BE SAID FOR THAT, ESPECIALLY FOR HERE. I'VE SEEN SOME OF OUR UTILITY BILLS AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT PRETTY. AND I THINK THAT EVEN LOOKING AT CONVERSION, IT'S AMAZING CONVERTING TO LED LIGHTS AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. BUT THERE'S A SERIES OF PROGRAMS BUT ALL OF THOSE TYPES OF WHAT I WOULD SAY SMALLER RENOVATIONS TYPE STUFF. WHERE DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD PUT THE FOCUS ON THAT? YES, SIR. WE'RE. ARE YOU STILL

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GIVE ME MORE DETAILS ON WHAT THE USE WOULD BE. YEP. SURE. THE ADDITIONAL SPACE SO IF I CAN TURN TO IT REAL QUICK, I THOUGHT I HAD IT OPEN. SO THIS LET'S JUST TALK USE THIS HERE. SO THE FACILITY NEEDS ASSESSMENT. THEY WERE LOOKING AT THE CURRENT USAGE OF THE SPACE AND HOW SPACE WAS BEING USED CURRENTLY, AND LOOKING FOR WAYS TO MAXIMIZE SPACE. RIGHT. AND AGAIN, KEEP IN MIND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 15 YEARS FROM NOW. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT 2025. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 20 2040. BUT SO AS PART OF THE FACILITY NEEDS ASSESSMENT, THEY WERE LOOKING AT OKAY, WHERE ARE THE GREATEST NEEDS IN TERMS OF WHETHER IT'S PERMITTING, WHETHER IT'S.

ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WHETHER IT'S CITY ADMINISTRATION, WHETHER IT'S FINANCE AND BILLING OR ALL THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. JENNIFER. AND FINANCE ARE THE PERFECT EXAMPLE. SO JENNIFER IS PART OF FINANCE. JENNIFER SITS DOWN ACROSS FROM MY OFFICE, AS YOU KNOW. BUT YES, SHE'S PART OF THE FINANCE TEAM, WHICH IS UP HERE AROUND THE CORNER. SO NOW IT'S NOT A LONG BIKE, BUT IT'S HARD FOR THEM TO, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE IN A WORKING ENVIRONMENT WHERE YOU'RE WORKING WITH YOUR PEERS AND WITH YOUR DEPARTMENT AND EVERYBODY'S TOGETHER, IT TENDS TO WORK A LOT SMOOTHER. THEN THEY HAVE A FINANCE CLERK OUT HERE. I'M NOT SURE. I SAID THE CORRECT TITLE, BUT ALSO SITTING OUT HERE IN THE OPEN AREA, SHE'S CONNECTED WITH BUDGET, FINANCE. SO FINANCE IN PARTICULAR IS PROBABLY ONE OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS WHERE IT IS THE MOST CUT UP AROUND BUILDING. THEY'RE NOT ALL IN THE SAME AREA, AND THEY'RE HAVING TO KIND OF RUN BACK AND FORTH. RICHARD AND TIA'S OFFICE OBVIOUSLY IS BACK THERE, BUT THEY'RE THEY'RE KIND OF MOVING, MOVING AROUND SOME OF THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS ARE ALL TOGETHER. TRUTHFULLY, IN MY OPINION, I DON'T THINK THIS IS A SHORT TERM THING. I YOU KNOW, THERE'S MORE PRESSING NEEDS, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO AT LEAST BE MINDFUL OF. AGAIN, DUNCANVILLE 2040 AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND START TO PLAN FOR SOMETHING DOWN THE ROAD.

QUESTIONS, THOUGHTS, COMMENTS? OKAY, MOVE ALONG. 123 RENOVATIONS. SO I KNOW COUNCILMAN KOONTZ, NOT TOO LONG AGO ASKED FOR A BRIEFING ON 103 AND WHAT THAT'S BEING USED FOR.

SO CURRENTLY WE HAVE IT OVER THERE. AIR IS OVER THERE. THERE'S SOME DIFFERENT THINGS NOW. THIS IS WHERE IT GETS INTO THE QUESTION. YOU GUYS JUST ASKED ME A MINUTE AGO, MAYOR, YOU ASKED WHAT IT WOULD BE, WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE RIGHT NOW. AGAIN, THINKING OUT 2040, WHAT IF 103 SOLD? IT WAS ANOTHER ENTITY AND CITY STAFF WASN'T OCCUPYING IT. WELL THEN WE HAVE A LOT MORE SPACE NEEDS HERE AT CITY HALL RIGHT? SO THEN THAT MAY CHANGE HOW PEOPLE VOTE AND HOW YOU THINK ABOUT THAT, RIGHT? ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A PROMINENT CORNER FOR THE CITY WHEN IT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OR WHATEVER ELSE. SO THE FACILITY NEEDS ASSESSMENT JUST ON ITS OWN. MERIT IDENTIFIES WITHOUT FACTORING IN THOSE TYPES OF CONVERSATIONS, IDENTIFIES $1 MILLION AS NEEDED FOR IMPROVEMENTS, WHETHER IT'S DOORS, WHETHER IT'S HVAC, ALL THOSE KIND OF GENERAL THINGS THAT ARE DETAILED IN THE BACK OF THE FACILITY NEEDS ASSESSMENT ITSELF. BUT I'M SORRY, WHAT? WHEN? THE QUESTION IS, WHEN DO YOU THINK THOSE MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT ARE NEEDED? IS THIS MIKE? YES. AND SOME OF

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CORRECT? YES. ON ON CENTER. SO YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I KNOW I'VE SAID AND THE TAX BILL. YEAH. SO.

OKAY. SO YOU KNOW, I, I HOPE WE CAN STAY YOU KNOW, INVOLVED IN THE CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT, WHAT THESE BUILDINGS ARE BEING USED FOR, WHAT THE PLANNED USES ARE I THINK THEIR CURRENT USES ARE MAKES SENSE. YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE CURRENT USES, BUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PLANNING AND SOME OF THOSE PROPERTIES ARE IN KEY AREAS AS FAR AS COMP PLAN. SO JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE INVOLVED IN THAT, THOSE CONVERSATIONS. ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY. I MEAN, THINK OF AGAIN, WE ALREADY PUT SERVICE CENTER ON THE SHORT TERM. SO LET'S JUST MAKE AN ASSUMPTION HERE FOR A SECOND. BY 2027, WE'VE OPENED THE NEW SERVICE CENTER WITH PLENTY OF SPACE. WELL THEN WE'VE TAKE TAKEN PARKS AND REC OUT OF OLD FIRE STATION ONE AND PUT THEM AT THE SERVICE CENTER. WE'VE TAKEN WASTE. WHAT'S DAVID'S TITLE? SOLID WASTE, SOLID WASTE IS UTILITY SUPERINTENDENT. SUPERINTENDENT. BUT HE OVERSAW SANITATION. SO WE WOULD TAKE ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN 103, PUT THEM OUT OF THE SERVICE, AND I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE IDEALLY WHERE ALL THAT. AND THEN THAT'S REALLY GOING TO ALLOW US TO START HAVING SOME ADDITIONAL CONVERSATIONS. SO THE SERVICE CENTER REALLY IS KEY TO SOME OF THOSE OTHER USES. AND SO AND IF I SAY NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES IN THE FUTURE, OH YES. YES, I THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP. NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES IS OVER THERE. AND WE HAVE PERMITTING HERE WHICH BOTH REPORT TO JIHAD. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY SHAHAD IS GOING BACK AND FORTH. SO RIGHT NOW SHAHAD IS BOUNCING AROUND DIFFERENT PLACES. SO. THOUGHTS, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS. OKAY. ARE YOU OPEN TO REPURPOSING OR SELLING THE TAX BUILDING. AND THERE'S SOME CAVEATS HERE. YES. YOU'RE OPEN TO DOING SOMETHING. NO. KEEP IT FOR CITY USE. NO DON'T SELL IT. BUT LET THE ARTS COMMISSION HAVE IT OR NO OR UNKNOWN WHAT I WILL TELL YOU. AND COUNCIL MEMBER KUNTZ AND I HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS. WHAT WAS IT YESTERDAY? I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SET UP A TIME IN THE NOT TOO DISTANT FUTURE FOR COUNCIL FOR YOU. IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN WANTING TO WALK THROUGH THAT BUILDING WITH US, THERE IS A LIMITED AMOUNT OF SPACE THAT'S REALLY USABLE IN THIS FRONT SECTION RIGHT HERE. THAT'S WHERE THE TELLERS WERE. THE BACK PORTION A LARGE PORTION OF IT IS LIKE UTILITY AREA WHERE THE WHERE ALL THE ELECTRIC PANEL BOXES ARE THE HVAC, THOSE TYPES OF WHERE IT'S SUPPOSED TO GO IN PARTS OF THE BACK THERE AND SOME OF THAT. AND THEN THERE'S A KITCHEN IN THE BACK. THAT'S NOT TO SAY IT CAN'T ALL BE USED OR EVEN REPURPOSED OR SOME DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT THE MAJORITY OF YOUR USABLE SPACE IS THE FRONT. THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS CURRENTLY USING IT. CAN YOU WOULD YOU MIND JUST SHARING WHAT. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

ABSOLUTELY. IT'S I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS WE HAVE NO STORAGE AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO WE USE WHAT WE CAN. AND THAT BUILDING HOUSES A LOT OF OUR WELL IT HOUSES ALL OF OUR STUFF. SO ANYTHING THAT WE HAVE COMING IN, WE STORE IN THAT FACILITY AND THEN ALSO DOING VEHICLES, WE ARE THAT'S A GOOD, GOOD POINT. WE DO 68 A VIN INSPECTIONS. AND WHEN WE DO IT WE USE THAT FACILITY. IT'S EASY. PEOPLE DRIVE IN. WE'VE RECOVERED MULTIPLE STOLEN VEHICLES, TRAILERS AND OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A FEE THAT WE GET FOR THESE VIN INSPECTIONS AND THEY DO IT THERE. WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO IT AT OUR STATIO. QUESTIONS? YEAH, I WILL ADD TO THAT. THAT BUILDING IS ACTUALLY SMALLER. YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE BUILDING. IT'S ABOUT THAT WHOLE PROPERTY AND THE SPACE BECAUSE THE SPACE AROUND IT HAS ALSO MANY POTENTIAL USES AS WELL. SO YEAH, I KNOW, I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BUILDING, BUT WE'RE ALSO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE WHOLE PROPERTY. ABSOLUTELY. ON A PRIME LOCATION, WARMING CORNERS OF

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YOU KNOW IT HAS ASBESTOS. NO DALLAS COUNTY TOOK IT THAT I MEAN THEY NEED TO COME GET THEIR ASBESTOS. I'VE SAID THAT BEFORE. OKAY. YOU TOOK THAT HVAC. COME GET YOUR ASBESTOS TO THAT LINE.

SO, SO. AND I MEAN, IT'S JUST SAT THERE AND STUFF AND IT'S RIDICULOUS IN MY OPINION. IT'S BEEN WAY OVERDUE FOR SOMETHING TO HAPPEN IN THE BUILDING CURRENTLY HAS LIMITED FUNCTIONALITY LIKE IT IS. HERE'S WHAT I WOULD TELL YOU THOUGH. WE DID HAVE ENGINEERS. I THINK VICTOR MUST HAVE STEPPED OUT. I THOUGHT WE WERE GETTING A REPORTER. WE SHOULD BE GETTING A REPORT. WHAT? I WILL TELL YOU, THE ENGINEERS WALK THE BUILDING AND THAT FRONT SECTION. THE SMALLEST. WELL, IT'S ACTUALLY NOT THE SMALLEST. IT'S THE LARGEST PORTION OF THE BUILDING THAT'S REALLY USABLE FOR SOMETHING. SHORT OF THE INTERIOR RENOVATIONS, IT'S PRETTY MUCH READY TO GO. THAT FRONT PORTION ACTUALLY DOES HAVE HVAC IN IT NOW. IT'S DIRTY. IT'S UGLY. IT YOU BASICALLY EVERYTHING ON THE INSIDE. IT NEEDS TO BE GUTTED. THERE'S THE FLOORING THERE. THE OLD 1970S BROWN TILE FLOORING THAT COUNTERS OR THE OLD WOODEN COUNTERS AND EVEN A LOT OF THE I KNOW SOME OF THE DOORS ARE BROKEN UP. FIRE STATION TWO IS A LOT BETTER CONDITION, ESPECIALLY NOW. IT'S A PRETTY LOW BAR. THERE. THE HVAC SYSTEM IS MISSING FROM THE BACK SECTION FOR SOME REASON, AND THEN THE COOLER FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND FOR THE FRONT. SO IT WAS WEIRD.

WHATEVER HAPPENED WITH DALLAS COUNTY. BUT THERE'S PARTS OF THE BUILDING THAT DEFINITELY NEED RENOVATIONS AND IMPROVEMENTS. THERE'S PARTS OF IT THAT WOULD BE MORE COSMETIC INTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS TYPE THING, BUT WE CAN WE'LL DEFINITELY SET SOMETHING UP FOR YOU GUYS TO SEE IT. SO OKAY, MOVING ALONG. LIBRARY NEXT CATEGORY LIBRARY. THE LIBRARY IDENTIFIES IN THE CIP ABOUT $3.8 MILLION IN NEEDS, INCLUDING WHAT'S IDENTIFIED IN THE FACILITY NEEDS ASSESSMENT, A LOT OF THE LIBRARY NEEDS ARE RELATIVELY THE REQUESTS THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED FOR ARE RELATIVELY ON THE SMALL SIDE, THE BOOKMOBILE, FOR INSTANCE, RENOVATIONS OF STUDY ROOMS, GENERAL RENOVATIONS, I SHOULD SAY FNA, NOT FMA, BUT THE RENOVATIONS ARE ABOUT $250,000 IN RENOVATIONS. I BELIEVE SOME OF THAT WAS ELECTRICAL HPC STUFF THAT THE FACILITY NEEDS ASSESSMENT IDENTIFIED SIGNAGE TECHNOLOGY RELATIVELY SMALL AND THEN THE FACILITY NEEDS ASSESSMENT. DOES ESTIMATE THAT YOU COULD ACTUALLY BUILD A NEW FACILITY. I THINK IT WAS IN THE FACILITY, YEAH, THE FACILITY ASSESSMENT FOR ABOUT $3 MILLION. SO THAT'S WHY HE CAME BACK WITH ON ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW STANDALONE LIBRARY FOR ADDING 3 MILLION. YEAH.

LIBRARIES ARE ACTUALLY A LOT CHEAPER TO BUILD, TRUTHFULLY, THAN A FIRE STATION OR A POLICE STATION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BECAUSE YOU'RE BASICALLY YOU'RE BUILDING THE FOUR WALLS AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO MAKE IT GRANDIOSE FOR COMPARISON, IF YOU WANT TO BUILD CEDAR HILL, THAT WAS 42 MILLION, I BELIEVE IS WHAT 40 TOLD ME. SO IT DEPENDS. THERE'S A WIDE SPECTRUM. IT'S REALLY NOT THAT IT IS MORE. MONEY. AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT RECREATION IN A SEPARATE. KEEP

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UNKNOWN. NO, I DID IT OKAY. THAT'S ME TOO. IT LOOKS LIKE I MEAN, WEIGH IN HERE, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE SAYING FROM THIS IS IF WE WERE GOING TO BUILD, IF WE WERE GOING TO BUILD A NEW LIBRARY AT A DIFFERENT LOCATION, OTHER THAN WHERE IT'S AT, THAT WOULD BE DOWN THE ROAD, OR WE'RE JUST NOT INTERESTED IN DOING IT BECAUSE IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHERE DOWN THE ROAD SOMEWHERE. 20, 20, 20, 30. I'M SAYING LIKE WHERE LOCATIONS THE LOCATION BEING SO AND THEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT REALLY I KNOW I'M AUDIBLE AND DIGITAL, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 2040. ARE PEOPLE REALLY GOING TO BE USING TANGIBLE BOOKS? WOULD IT REALLY BE A NECESSITY TO HAVE A PHYSICAL LIBRARY AS WE KNOW IT TODAY? I THINK IT'S A FANTASTIC QUESTION. RIGHT. THAT'S SOME OF THE STUFF THAT I THINK THE SURVEY THAT I TELL YOU WHEN I WAS AT NATIONAL NIGHT OUT AT THE ONE THAT COUNCIL MEMBER KOONTZ PUT TOGETHER, AND THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN, CHRIS, CHRIS, WHO WAS AT YOUR. YES, CHRIS, WHO USED TO WORK FOR BARNES AND NOBLE, I BELIEVE. YEAH. YEAH, YEAH.

CHRIS. YEAH. GREAT GUY. HAD A FANTASTIC CONVERSATION. BUT BASICALLY HE IT SOUNDS LIKE HE SPENT HIS ENTIRE CAREER AT BARNES AND NOBLE AND HE HAD A I THOUGHT A REALLY POIGNANT PERSPECTIVE THAT TALKED ABOUT THE FUTURE LIBRARY BEING A PLACE WHERE SOMEBODY GOES STUDY ROOMS IS IMPORTANT. TECHNOLOGY IS IMPORTANT. YES, BOOKS ARE IMPORTANT, BUT IT'S ALSO THAT RESPITE PLACE. MAYBE IT'S A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN TAP INTO THINGS WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES AT HOME OR SCHOOL OR THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. IT'S STILL A LIBRARY, BUT IT'S THOSE OTHER COMPONENTS, YOU KNOW? AND THEN OBVIOUSLY YOU WERE ALL AT HTML. WE'VE HAD THE CONVERSATION WITH THE OTHER ENTITY THAT DOES SOME DIFFERENT THINGS. AND DAVID'S CONTINUED THAT CONVERSATION. SO YES, IT'S ALL OF THAT. RIGHT. SO IT THIS QUESTION ISN'T REALLY RELATE TO WHAT THE LIBRARY LOOKS LIKE TODAY. IT'S WHAT A FUTURE. SOMETIMES IT'S JUST A GATHERING SPACE. I MEAN, SO HOW MUCH CEDAR HILL YOU SAID IT WAS 42. I THINK IT WAS 42. THAT'S NOT JUST FOR A LIBRARY. THINK ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THAT BUILDING. IT'S NOT JUST A LIBRARY. I MEAN, MAYBE IF IT WAS JUST I MEAN, THE SPACE WHERE THE BOOKS OCCUPY IS A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THAT BUILDING. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ALREADY KIND OF USING IT FOR ALL THOSE PURPOSES THAT YOU MENTIONED. YEAH. AND IT EVEN HAS THE CEDAR HILL LIBRARY HAS THE CEDAR HILL MUSEUM IS ACTUALLY INSIDE THE BUILDING, AND IT'S AN EVENT GATHERING SPACE ALMOST. RIGHT. THERE'S CONFERENCE ROOMS, RIGHT? THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT THINGS. THERE'S IT BECAME A ENTERTAINMENT DESTINATION. THEY HAVE CONCERTS, YOU KNOW, SOFT MUSIC TYPE THINGS IN THERE AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. SO YEAH, IT REALLY BECOMES A DESTINATION, A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT THINGS OTHER THAN JUST A TRADITIONAL LIBRARY. SO NEXT QUESTION AS A FOLLOW UP, RATHER THAN BUILDING A NEW LIBRARY, THE EXISTING LIBRARY SHOULD BE RENOVATED WHEN SHORT TERM, MEDIUM TERM, LONG TERM OR DOESN'T NEED IT. WHAT

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THE LIBRARY ACTUALLY HAS A PERFECT ROOM INSIDE OF IT FOR A PODCAST STUDIO. AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE CONVERSATIONS THAT CAME UP WAS ABOUT MAYBE ADDING SOME ADDITIONAL STUDY ROOM SPACE, WE'VE HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS. DAVID CERTAINLY HAS HAD A LOT MORE CONVERSATIONS THAN I HAVE WITH BOTH THE LIBRARY, THE LIBRARY HE MET WITH THE LIBRARY BOARD, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE GROUP THAT WE WERE TALKING TO AS WELL, ALL THAT TYPE OF STUFF.

RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH. AND THE JUST I THINK EVERYBODY'S AWARE, BUT THE, THE DC, EDC, IT SOUNDS LIKE IN 2022 PURCHASED ALL OF THE PODCAST EQUIPMENT. SO WE ACTUALLY ALREADY HAVE ALL THAT.

IT'S LITERALLY SITTING HERE IN A CLOSET JUST WAITING TO GO FORWARD. WE'VE GOT TO GET TO USE IT. IT'S GOING TO BE OUTDATED COME TOMORROW. TECHNOLOGY CHANGES EVERYTHING. ALL RIGHT.

SO WE'RE PUTTING A BRAND NEW LIBRARY OUT ON THE LONG TERM. AND THEN RENOVATIONS TO THE LIBRARY. IT LOOKS LIKE ARE HOVERING ALSO ON THAT LONG TERM. BUT OBVIOUSLY SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THOSE SMALLER THINGS CAN CERTAINLY STILL COME FORWARD AND BE BROUGHT FORWARD. SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, THOUGHTS ON LIBRARY? DAVID, DO YOU WANT TO SHARE ABOUT LIBRARY? IT IS A GREAT RESOURCE. IT REALLY IS. YOU KNOW, DAVID, I KNOW IS HAVING SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH THE DIRECTOR ABOUT WAYS TO IMPROVE CUSTOMER SERVICE. AND I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH HIM RECENTLY. I'LL TELL YOU, MY WIFE AND A FRIEND OF HERS WALKED THROUGH THE LIBRARY JUST TO CHECK OUT THE HISPANIC BOOK SELECTIONS, AND SHE TOLD ME SHE THOUGHT THEY WERE PRETTY DATED. AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. SO WE'VE SHARED SOME OF THOSE TYPES OF CONVERSATIONS, BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF DETAIL AND DATA IN THAT SURVEY WITH THE FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY TO SAY, ALL RIGH, PARKS. PARKS NEEDS A LOT OF MONEY. PUBLIC WORKS NEEDS THE MOST, PARKS NEEDS THE SECOND MOST. BUT YOU'VE ALREADY SAW SOME OF OUR PROBLEMS TONIGHT. SO PARKS IN TOTAL, IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT IT ALL IN ONE BUCKET, IT NEEDS ABOUT $40 MILLION ESSENTIALLY OVER THE NEXT 15 YEARS TO REALLY GET OUR PARKS TO WHERE THEY SHOULD BE IN TERMS OF PREMIER, TOP OF THE LINE. AND I'LL KIND OF GO THROUGH RECREATION CENTER. THE FACILITY NEEDS ASSESSMENT IDENTIFIED JUST UNDER $5 MILLION FOR FACILITY NEEDS ASSESSMENT IMPROVEMENTS THAT NEED TO BE DONE THAT ALSO INCLUDED EXPANSION OF THE RECREATION CENTER, THE RESTROOMS AND ALL OF THOSE OTHER THINGS. THE FACILITY NEEDS ASSESSMENT ALSO IDENTIFIED $1.9 MILLION IN SENIOR CENTER IMPROVEMENTS TO BE NEEDED. I'M GOING TO SKIP OVER PARKS A SECOND. I'LL COME BACK TO THAT. OR IMPROVEMENTS. TRAILS. ABOUT $1 MILLION. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THE PROVERBIAL LINE ITEM HAS BEEN IN THE EXCEL SPREADSHEET. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT EARLIER TONIGHT. THE LAD NATURE PRESERVE. THIS IS LITERALLY THROWING A DART AT A DART BOARD

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OH, TRAILS. THE TRAILS. 1 MILLION. YES. THAT'S CITYWIDE. THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE A WE DON'T HAVE A TRAIL PLAN. WE DON'T HAVE ONE. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S NEEDED. I MEAN, WE DO HAVE A NEED FOR UPDATING OUR PARK MASTER PLAN FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS. I MEAN, YOUR NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET REQUEST, WE WILL PROBABLY INCLUDE A TRAIL MASTER PLAN AS PART OF THAT. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PARK IMPROVEMENTS, AGAIN, THESE ARE ITEMS. WHETHER IT'S A COMBINATION OF THE EXCEL SPREADSHEET AND THOSE DIFFERENT PRIORITIES OR THINGS IN THE FACILITY NEEDS ASSESSMENT OR CONVERSATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN TAKING PLACE MORE RECENTLY. WHAT I TRIED TO DO IS JUST LIST AN AMOUNT BASED ON ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT SOURCES. AGAIN, THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WE'RE DOING THIS IS EVERYTHING IS IN DIFFERENT PLACES, RIGHT? AND SO TRYING TO REALLY DEVELOP A PLAN ON WHAT THIS PLAN LOOKS LIKE AND AGAIN, SMOOTHING IT OUT. SO WE'RE RIDING THE TRAIN AND NOT THAT CRAZY ROLLER COASTER RIDE PARK IMPROVEMENTS COLLECTIVELY. AND I'M JUST GOING TO YOU SEE THE NUMBERS HERE 1.5 MILLION ARMSTRONG 1.2 MILLION CHRIS PARIS 850,000. DOG PARK. DOG PARK. THE MASTER PLAN IS VERY MUCH IN THE WORKS, RIGHT NOW. I THINK YOU AND I HAD TALKED TO A SHOT IN THE DARK AS 3.5 MILLION. IT COULD BE MORE, IT COULD BE LESS, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE A LOT MORE, ACTUALLY, DEPENDING ON ALL THE DIFFERENT FEATURES. RIGHT? YEAH. I THINK 3 MILLION IS KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW. THAT'S FULL BUILD OUT. YEAH. YEAH. HARRINGTON, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THIS 10 MILLION LAKESIDE 3.5 LIONS. YOU SEE 2.3 LITTLE SHENANDOAH, 125 PYBURN 400,000 QUAIL RUN. AND THEN AGAIN, REDBIRD, 750,000 ROTARY OR I'M SORRY, 750. WATER VIEW IS 100,000 AND WILLOW RUN IS 50,000. THE FULL DETAILS ARE IN THAT SPREADSHEET THAT GOT EMAILED OUT TO YOU AND LITERALLY IT'S ALL BROKEN APART BY PRIORITIES AND EVERYTHING, AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE ALL OF THE DETAIL. BUT SO IN TOTAL THAT'S ABOUT $27.5 MILLION FOR PARKS IMPROVEMENTS. HERE'S THE THING. I'LL TELL YOU, IT'S A LOT EASIER TO GET GRANTS FOR PARKS IMPROVEMENTS, TRAILS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS THAN IT IS FOR GENERATORS, FOR CITY HALL OR POLICE STATION OR STREETS OR THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, BECAUSE THERE'S ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT PROGRAMS. THE OTHER THING I WANT TO MENTION TO YOU, MY LAST MUNICIPALITY I WAS WITH, WE HAD A PARK AND RECREATION FEE, $5,000 PER UNIT. IF YOU'RE GOING TO PICK UP A BUILDING PERMIT TO BUILD A NEW UNIT IN THE MUNICIPALITY, IN ADDITION TO THE BUILDING PERMIT FEE, YOU HAD TO PAY AN ADDITIONAL $5,000 PARK AND REC FEE. AND THAT IS BECAUSE OF NOT ONLY THE NEEDS OF THE GROWING COMMUNITY AND IMPROVING THE QUALITY OF LIFE, BUT IT'S ALSO THE WEAR AND TEAR ON THE PARKS AND THE RECREATION AND ALL THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. SO WHAT I'M JUST SHOWING YOU HERE IS, AGAIN, THOSE PROVERBIAL 1207 NEW HOUSING UNITS, A $5,000 FEE PER UNIT. THAT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL $6 MILLION COMING IN TO THE CITY IN REVENUE. THAT'S NOT EVEN GRANTS OR ANYTHING. SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING IN EFFECT RIGHT NOW. CORRECT? WHAT GOES INTO THE ESTIMATES AT EACH ONE OF THESE? PARK LOCATIONS? THAT'S ALL OF THESE DETAILS. MAYBE. BART, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S SOMETHING SPECIFIC YOU WANT TO SEE. YOU'RE WELCOME. IF YOU CAN READ IT, YOU PROBABLY. IT'S PRETTY SMALL. SO, BART, MAYBE YOU WANT TO JUST TOUCH ON SOME OF THOSE HIGHLIGHTS ON SOME OF THOSE REAL QUICKLY. I MEAN, A LOT OF THE BALL FIELD LIKE OUR ALEXANDER HARRINGTON, THEY'RE IN NEED OF NEW LIGHTING PRETTY SOON. MOVING TO LED LIGHTING BE MORE COST EFFICIENT. REALLY.

THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, THAT'S WHAT. WHERE'S 2.3 MILLION GOING IN REDFORD PARK? YEAH, I DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME RIGHT NOW. I'M SORRY. I KNOW PART OF IT IS LIGHTING. I REMEMBER THAT BECAUSE THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN A QUESTION ABOUT THE DEAD TREES. THE DEAD TREES WOULD I WOULD LOVE I WOULD LOVE TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN THE DEAD TREES. IN FACT, WE'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION BEFORE. THAT PARK IS HAS SUCH SHALLOW SOIL. TREES WILL NEVER GROW. THERE.

RIGHT. SO THE DECISION THAT THE COUNCIL MADE YEARS AGO TO TAKE AWAY THE SOCCER FIELD AND PLANT TREES MAYBE WASN'T THE BEST IDEA. THERE ARE OTHER THINGS YOU COULD HAVE DONE TO MITIGATE SOME OF THE CONCERNS THEY HAD AT THAT TIME. IN MY OPINION, THEY COULD HAVE DONE SOME BERMING BOUGHT IN SOME RESTROOMS. WE'VE ALREADY DONE THAT. SO BUT TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT THEY DID A FEW YEARS AGO TO PLANT TREES. NOT GREAT, BUT THAT THAT IS AN ISSUE FOR US. AND THEY'RE UGLY.

SO AT SOME POINT EACH PARK WILL HAVE MORE SPECIFIC INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT MAKES UP. SO SURE,

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YOU KNOW, ALL OF THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. AND SO BUT I THINK THE OTHER THING I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY IS MR. LADD REALLY WANTS TO SEE PHASE ONE AS SOMETHING SORT OF DRAWS ATTENTION, RIGHT, WHETHER IT'S TRAILS OR WHATEVER. SO THAT PEOPLE ARE USING THE PROPERTY AND USING THE FACILITY.

HOPEFULLY BUILDING SCHOOL GROUPS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. SO I CAN SHOW YOU SOME GREAT PHOTOS. I'M SURE HALF IS DOING IT TOO. OF A PROJECT I DID WHERE A BEAUTIFUL OPEN AIR PAVILION THAT'S ADA ACCESSIBLE THAT IT JUST DRAWS A LOT OF A LOT OF FOLKS. SO OKAY, MOVING ON TO SOME QUESTIONS HERE. AGAIN, NO, NO WRONG ANSWER HERE. IT'S JUST KIND OF GIVING US SOME DIRECTION AND ONE SEE KIND OF FEELING. YOU GUYS OUT WHERE YOU'RE AT. SO THE RECREATION CENTER FACILITY NEEDS

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THE FACILITY NEEDS ASSESSMENT IDENTIFIES $1.9 MILLION IN IMPROVEMENTS NEEDED. WHAT TIME FRAME SHOULD WE PLAN FOR THOSE RENOVATIONS TO BE COMPLETED? $1.9 MILLION IN RENOVATIONS TO THE SENIOR CENTER. WHAT ARE THOSE RENOVATIONS LOOK LIKE? AND I WAS JUST GETTING READY TO SAY DAVID OR BART, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S SOME SPECIFIC THINGS THAT I THINK THEY INCLUDED A FITNESS SPACE, MORE PROGRAM SPACE. ALSO, A PICKLEBALL SPACE CAME UP AND THAT ONE AS WELL THEY DID. THERE WAS SOME TALK TO ABOUT POSSIBLY ENCLOSING THE PATIO ON THE OUTSIDE, PICKLEBALL COURTS AND EVERYTHING. RIGHT. FIRE STATION CHARGE FOR USAGE. SINCE COVID HAS THE ATTENDANCE PICKED UP. BUT SENIOR CENTER IS THE IT IS PICKING. IT IS PICKING BACK UP. BUT YOU KNOW WE STILL ARE IN WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER I'LL SAY OLD SCHOOL SENIOR CENTER THE TODAY SENIORS WANT MORE ACTIVE ACTIVITIES. THE PICKLEBALL ACTIVITIES, THE FITNESS CENTERS. THEY WANT THINGS THAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY GO WORK OUT, PLAY, PLAY BASKETBALL, PLAY PICKLEBALL IN THEIR OWN SPACE, IN THEIR OWN SPACE. THEY'RE NOT INTO DOMINOES AND BINGO. OH, YEAH. NO, WE ARE.

WE ARE. SO CITY MANAGER, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALSO I MEAN, I KNOW AT SOME POINT MAYBE SOMETIME LAST YEAR THAT IT WAS BROUGHT TO US THAT THERE WAS SOME CONSIDERATION ABOUT REBRANDING THE SENIOR CENTER AND MAKING IT MORE OF A MEDIA CENTER. SO THAT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD OPEN IT.

THERE'LL BE MORE, MORE USE, YOU KNOW, IF WE DID SOMETHING LIKE THAT. RIGHT? YEAH. THAT WAS KIND OF IN CONJUNCTION WITH TRYING TO INCREASE PROGRAMING, KIND OF CHANGE THE FOCUS GOING TO THE MORE NEWS, NEW YEAR, NEW SCHOOL, SENIOR CENTER, WHAT PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR. YEAH, WE'RE DOING THAT ALONG WITH THE RENOVATION PROBABLY MAKES MORE SENSE BECAUSE IT'S 5050 AND OLDER, 50 AND OLDER. YES. MR. CARR, WHEN DID THEY LAUNCH TO 50? AND WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT AND WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT 20, 40 AND 16 YEARS, PEOPLE LIKE ME WILL BE 50 AND OLDER. AND SO YOU MAY WANT TO START THINKING ABOUT XBOXES, LARGE SCREEN TVS, THINGS LIKE THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE YOUR

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YEAH. 15 TO 20. THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. SOME OF THE SOME OF THE THINGS TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, MAYOR. SO BART WAS RIGHT. THE EXTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS, ROOFING, THERE'S SOME INTERIOR STUFF IN TERMS OF EVEN SOME FITTINGS. THOSE ARE ALL LOW COST THINGS. SOME PLUMBING. HVAC IS A BIGGER ISSUE. GAS FIRED ROOFTOP UNITS, IT LOOKS LIKE, NEED TO BE REPLACED. FAN CONTROL UNITS. AND THEN THE ELECTRIC PANEL. SO IT'S A MIXTURE OF DIFFERENT. YEAH. YEAH. 2040 2067 I'LL BE AT THE SENIOR CENTER. ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE MAY HAVE ACTUALLY ALREADY ANSWERED THIS QUESTION TONIGHT. SO THIS COULD BE AN EASY ONE FOR YOU. HARRINGTON PARK, PHASE ONE CONCESSION STAND, RESTROOMS SHOULD BE CONSTRUCTED. OKAY. WHO'S VOTING? NO, WE ALREADY DID. SO THAT'S GOING DOWN. DOES SOMEBODY WANT TO EXPLAIN THEIR NO VOTE? THAT'S SYNONYMOUS. ALRIGHT, SO CITY MANAGER YES, SIR. WE OUR MAYOR, WE DO. WE HAVE I GUESS WE HAVE CONSENSUS. WE HOPE WE DO. AND WE'LL DO A RESOLUTION FOR YOU. WE'LL DO A RESOLUTION VERY, VERY SOON. YEAH. WITH ALL THE BUDGETARY ADJUSTMENTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. BECAUSE I DON'T WANT YOU TO VOTE TONIGHT OR ANYTHING, BUT WE GOT YOU RIGHT. WE GOT THE DRIFT. AND ESPECIALLY WITH 75% NOW VOTING IN THE SHORT TERM, WE'LL MOVE THAT FORWARD OKAY. ALL RIGHT. HARRINGTON PARK PHASE TWO. THIS MAY ACTUALLY BE A VERY PRUDENT QUESTION. THIS IS THE ONE WHERE WE JUST TALKED ABOUT WE DON'T HAVE A FUNDING SOLUTION CURRENTLY. SO EVEN THOUGH IT WAS A 2018 BOND PROJECT, IS THAT STILL SOMETHING YOU WANT US TO TRY TO DO SHORT TERM OR KICK IT DOWN THE ROAD A LITTLE BIT? THERE'S JUST NOT A FUNDING SOLUTION CURRENTLY FOR IT. AND PHASE TWO, SOMEBODY REMIND ME AGAIN IS PARKING PARKING LOT AND PAVILION. YEAH. SO THESE NEW PARKING AREAS WOULD BE ABANDONED. SOCCER FIELDS. WE LOSE ONE SOCCER FIELD. SOCCER AREA. CORRECT. UNLIT SOCCER AREA. THAT'S ALL YOU NEED RIGHT THERE JUST NORTH OF THE ROAD. YEAH. TO GET THE ADDITIONAL PARKING YOU NEED, THAT'S WHERE THE PAVILION IS GOING AS WELL. CAN WE CONSIDER JUST THE PARKIN? TWO PARKING? PARKS, DID YOU HEAR COUNCILMEMBER. SORRY. HAVE WE CONSIDERED GRAVEL? LIKE NO CEMENT TYPE PARKING PERMEABLE? I DON'T THINK WE ALLOW THAT IN OUR CODES. NO. SO WE CAN CHANGE PARKING. WE DON'T HAVE. IT WAS THE LAST TIME WE WERE. WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT DOING A DG TYPE PARKING LOT WITH THE DOG PARK CONVERSATION. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT'S ABOUT THE SAME COST AS A CONCRETE PARKING LOT. IF YOU DO IT RIGHT NOW, THERE ARE PROHIBITION BASED ON THE CODE REQUIRING ALL PARKING LOTS TO BE CONCRETE. THERE WAS AN EXPERIMENTAL SMALL PARKING LOT I THINK MISS CHERRY IS FAMILIAR WITH ACROSS FROM BEN FRANKLIN THAT WAS DECOMPOSED GRANITE AND PUT IN PROPERLY. IT CAN BE USED FOR LARGE SCALE PARKING AND IT DOESN'T BLOW AWAY WITH YOUR SPINNING. YOUR WHEELS.

IT'S SOMETHING THE CITY NEEDS TO START THINKING ABOUT BECAUSE. AND MONTY ANDERSON WILL PREACH FOR HOURS ON IT, THAT THE VALUE OF PERMEABLE SURFACES INSTEAD OF CONCRETE HELPS WITH STORMWATER DRAINAGE TREMENDOUSLY. YES. SO WE SHOULD WE SHOULD BE ENTERTAINING THAT IN THE FUTURE TO JUST MAKE A NOTE FOR AN ORDINANCE. YOU GIVE US A 20 MINUTE TALK ON THAT ONE HERE.

REAL QUICK. YEAH. OKAY. SO TENTATIVELY WE'RE GOING TO PUT IT IN THE MEDIUM BUCKET FOR RIGHT NOW. AND GO ON TO THE NEXT ONE. PHASE THREE I THINK WE HAVE ALREADY ANSWERED THIS TONIGHT, BUT LET'S SEE. PHASE THREE LONG TERM. COME ON. SO THIS IS THE TRAIL BRIDGE WATER VIEW THAT WE IDENTIFIED. WE'RE GOING TO USE. WE'RE GOING TO BRING A PROPOSAL TO YOU FOR COUNCIL TO VOTE ON USING THE TRAIL FUND MONEY THAT WE HAVE TO COMPLETE THIS. I THINK WHAT WE SAID WAS 100,000, 900, 100,000 FOR THE PROJECT. YEAH, THAT THAT HASN'T EVEN GONE INTO THE DESIGN PHASE AS PART IS THAT IN THE DESIGN PHASE, PHASE THREE, IT'S ALREADY DESIGNED THAT BRIDGE AND EVERYTHING'S BEEN DESIGNED. YES. SO I MEAN, THAT'S BEEN LIKE THREE YEARS OR SO. RIGHT. I'LL SAY THREE PLUS YEARS. YEAH. YEAH. AND WE'RE THINKING ABOUT 2040 NOW. 2040 IS GOING TO BE A WALKABLE. YEAH.

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ABSOLUTELY. ONCE WE'RE FULLY STAFFED, WE CAN DO ALL THAT STUFF IN HOUSE. SO OKAY, IT'S A LITTLE MORE CHALLENGING QUESTION HERE FOR YOU. THERE'S A LOT OF CHOICES. WHAT I'M ASKING YOU TO DO IS RANK THE PARK OR PARKS. YOU BELIEVE NEED THE MOST ATTENTION FIRST. ACTUALLY, IT'S THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT SHAHADE WAS TALKING ABOUT, WHERE SHE SAID, DON'T DO WORSE FIRST, BUT I'M ASKING YOU WORSE FIRST. WHICH PARK DO YOU REALLY THINK WHETHER IT'S WORSE FIRST OR WHETHER IT'S FROM USE OR WHATEVER, WHERE DO YOU THINK? AND AGAIN, I REALIZE NICHOLS PARK IS MISSING FROM THE LIST, AND IT'S NOT A COMPLETE LIST, BUT WHAT WHERE DO YOU THINK? WHAT NEEDS THE MOST ATTENTION OR WHERE SHOULD WE BE FOCUSED? SOME OF OUR EFFORTS. HOW DO YOU MAKE REDBIRD? IT LOOKS LIKE ALL OF THE MONEY IS GOING TO REDBIRD. WAIT A MINUTE. IT'S ON REARRANGEMENT. SO IT'S CLOSED. I JUST TAP THE ONE AND IT. YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO MOVE IT UP AND

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SO YEAH, DEPENDING ON IF YOU MIGHT HAVE TO CLICK YOU MAY HAVE TO DRAG DEPENDING ON WHETHER YOU'RE ON THE PHONE OR A COMPUTER. AND THERE WE GO. WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN PIEDMONT OTHER THAN THE TRASH? OH YEAH. ONE MORE. LOOKS LIKE REDBIRD IS GETTING A LOT OF LOVE. BECAUSE THEY GOT TO DO IT EXACTLY. ARE YOU DOING FINE? YES. WHICH DISTRICT IS THAT? FIVE COMMISSIONERS AND WATERVIEW TIED TOGETHER ON HERE. YEAH. OKAY. STRANGE. I'M THE CHRIS HARRIS AND WATERVIEW ARE. YEAH. JUST BECAUSE IT'LL HONESTLY, IT'S JUST THEY WOULD ONLY LET ME PUT IN 12. BUT THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S THAT'S THE ONLY REASON THAT THEY'RE LISTED LIKE THAT. JUST SO WE CAN GET SOME IDEAS. I GOT FREE PANCAKE TICKETS, THE LIONS CLUB PANCAKE. LIONS. WHAT? ANYBODY WANT TO SHARE? WHY THEY FEEL LIKE LIONS OR WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AT LIONS. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE THAT GO TO LIONS PARK, BUT BRIDGES NEED, YOU KNOW, WORK ON THE BRIDGE ON THOSE. THE SIGNAGE, THE PICKLEBALL COURTS. THERE, THE BASEBALL FIELD SO THE BASEBALL FIELDS GET YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW. YEAH. A LOT OF USE. BUT YOU KNOW THE RESTROOMS THERE SOMETHING. YEAH. SO AT THE ON THE OTHER SIDE THE PLAYGROUND IS WORK NEEDS TO BE DONE ALONG THE CREEK. I MEAN IT'S AND THAT THAT'S WHAT I WOULD REFER TO AS A HISTORICAL PARK. IT HAS SOME HISTORICAL VALUE TO IT AS WELL. OKAY. AND IT'S JUST KIND OF, YOU KNOW, I THINK IF MORE PEOPLE AND EVERYBODY WALKS AT ARMSTRONG, IT'S JUST MORE PEOPLE KNEW IT WAS THERE AND, YOU KNOW, SOME IMPROVEMENTS, I THINK IT WOULD GET ABSORB A LOT OF TRAFFIC FROM ARMSTRONG PARK BECAUSE IT DOES HAVE A WALKING TRAIL, JUST LIKE ARMSTRONG. AND EXERCISE EQUIPMENT AND EXERCISE AND BASEBALL FIELDS AND BASEBALL, BASEBALL, A BASEBALL, A BASEBALL FIELD. WHAT'S WRONG WITH LAKESIDE AND THE OLD POOL? WHY IS IT NUMBER THREE? ALL RIGHT, RESTORATION. THANKS. I'M LISTENING. I'M GONNA TRY TO GET YOU GUYS TO NOW HELP US RANK AGAIN THE PARKS YOU BELIEVE NEED THE MOST ATTENTION. BUT I'M ONLY GOING TO GIVE YOU FOUR CHOICES. NOW, OF THESE FOUR, HELP ME UNDERSTAND. NOW, WHAT WOULD WE BE TAKE TO THE TOP FOUR? BECAUSE I CAN'T. I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT YOU WERE GOING TO SAY, SO I HAD TO GUESSTIMATE WHAT YOU MIGHT SAY AND THEN ASK A SERIES OF QUESTIONS, DIFFERENT WAYS. SO I DON'T SEE FIVE IN THIS GROUP. NO. ONCE AGAIN. AND YOU KNOW, SO I DON'T I DON'T THINK SO. CHRIS PARIS PARK SO YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WHEN YOU'RE THERE IT'S DON'T NECESSARILY FEEL SAFE. YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY CERTAIN TIMES OF THE DAY. BUT IT HAS A LOT OF SPACE. IT COULD BE UTILIZED. SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE AROUND THERE DON'T FEEL SAFE EITHER. YEAH, THERE'S A LOT OF SPACE THERE AND VERY LITTLE NEEDS TO BE DONE TO IT TO MAKE IT MORE SAFE AND MORE USABLE FOR PARK. WHAT PARK? YEAH, RIGHT. WHAT PARK IS THE THREE SPACES THEY HAVE THERE? SO IT LOOKS LIKE LIONS PARK NEEDS SOME. NEED SOME LOVE. HELP US AGAIN. HERE'S FOUR MORE. THIS DIFFERENT QUESTION TWO. WHERE WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE US FOCUS SOME ATTENTION? DOG PARK HARRINGTON PARK, QUAIL RUN ARMSTRONG CHOIC. WHEN YOU SAY FOCUS THE ATTENTION TO DOG PARK HAS ALREADY BEEN FOCUSED ON. WELL, WE HAVEN'T BUILT IT YET. RIGHT. BUT BUT STILL. YES, YOU'D MAKE AN ARGUMENT THAT IT'S MOVING FORWARD. BUT THIS ALSO JUST GLANCING AT THIS MAKES ME THINK THAT WE NEED TO PAY A LITTLE LOVE TO QUAIL RUN THAT MAYBE HASN'T HAD SOME LOVE, SO MAY WANT TO SHARE WHAT THEY THINK NEEDS TO HAPPEN AT QUAIL RUN.

WELL, THEY JUST GOT THIS TRAIL SORT OF. AND IT'S AND EXERCISE EQUIPMENT YOU KNOW SO IT'S GETTING ATTENTION. I'VE ACTUALLY HAD SOMEONE COMPLAIN TO ME ABOUT THE EXERCISE EQUIPMENT BEING INSTALLED THERE. WHERE'S JOE. YEAH, RIGHT. I KNOW. OH TRUE. WE HAD A COMMENT RECENTLY ABOUT THERE NOT BEING A SIGN THERE, BUT WHAT OTHER NEEDS ARE THERE? MAYBE THERE. IS THERE SOMETHING

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DRAINAGE? REALLY? WHAT IS THE TRAIL? WET. I HAVEN'T WALKED THE TRAIL THERE. WELL, IT GOT WASHED OUT FOR THE FIRST, BUT BUT I MEAN BUT I MEAN, YOU WANT TO ADDRESS DRAINAGE OVER THERE.

THERE'S A DRAINAGE DITCH THAT KIND OF SEPARATES OR SPLITS THE PARK INTO TWO. SO PUTTING IN A PIPE WOULD BE NICE TO THE ENGINEER. DIDN'T CONSIDER THAT IT HASN'T BEEN DESIGNED I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, UNTIL WE PUT THE TRAIL AND EXERCISE EQUIPMENT IN, IT WAS THE ONLY TRULY UNDEVELOPED PARK WE HAD. SO IT STILL DOESN'T HAVE A PLAYGROUND. THERE'S NO PARKING LOT, NO SIGN OTHER THAN THE TRAIL AND THE EXERCISE EQUIPMENT THAT'S IN. SO IT'S STILL UNDEVELOPED. REALLY COULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'VE DONE A BEAUTIFUL THAT LOOKING AT DOING POCKET PRAIRIE. SO SMALLER VERSIONS OF WHAT THEY DID AT LAKESIDE. SO THERE'S SOME SPACE THERE ESPECIALLY ON THE INTERIOR OF THE LOOP. RIGHT. YEAH, YEAH. AND IT'S AMAZING. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, EVEN LIKE ATTRACTING BUTTERFLIES AND DIFFERENT THINGS IF YOU TALK ABOUT SOME PRAIRIE LANDS AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS AND PEOPLE COME, YOU COULD REALLY ALSO TURN THAT INTO AN INTERPRETIVE PARK, RIGHT WHERE YOU CAN PUT UP REAL NICE SIGNAGE ABOUT MAYBE THE TYPES OF WILDLIFE THAT PEOPLE WOULD SEE OR THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF PRAIRIE. AND IT BECOMES AN EDUCATIONAL TYPE OF ACTIVITY. S, OKAY, STICKING WITH THE PARKS AGAIN, JUST HELPING US UNDERSTAND SOME OF THESE ARE A LITTLE BIT REPETITIVE, BUT SOME OF THE SOME OF THE NAMES OF THE PARKS ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. JUST TRYING TO SEE HOW YOU THINK AND RANKING THESE HELPING US UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE BIGGEST NEEDS. AS PARK KEEPS COMING UP PRETTY HIGH, WE'VE SEEN THAT THERE'S A LOT OF CONSISTENCY IN THE LAST TWO QUESTIONS HERE. OBVIOUSLY DOG PARK THAT'S STARTING TO MOVE FORWARD. WHAT DID YOU SAY. PARK 3,000,003. DOG PARK. RICHARD WE NEED THAT MAGIC POT OF MONEY THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIND SOMEWHERE. WELL, PART PART OF OUR. I KNOW THE CONSULTANT IS SUPPOSED TO GIVE US A REPORT. NOT PROBABLE CAUSE. WHAT WOULD BE AN ESTIMATE OF PROBABLE COST? YES, BUT. YEAH, BUT ALSO TO GIVE US SOME, MAYBE SOME OPTIONS FOR HOW WE COULD FUND IT. I KNOW WE YOU KNOW, THE COMMITTEE HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT WAYS THAT THE COMMUNITY COULD GET INVOLVED TO HELP WITH FUNDING, SPONSORSHIPS, GRANTS. OKAY. ART.

DAVID, LOOKS LIKE WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ON TOP OF LIONS PARK. SO I'M GOING TO CALL IT DON HAS TO RECUSE HIMSELF BECAUSE HE'S AT THE LIONS CLUB. WELL, HE'S LIKE HELPING EVERYBODY AND HE'S VOTING FOR LIONS EVERY TIME HE GOES UP AND DOWN THE. I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW ROTARY GOT THE THREE. ALL RIGHT COACH GENERAL QUESTION. WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION A LITTLE BIT.

LET'S SEE. IT'S JUST TO KIND OF GET DO YOU BELIEVE WE NEED MORE TRAILS. YES. FULL SPEED AHEAD OR. YES. AS GRANTS PROVIDE FOR OR NO WE DON'T NEED TRAILS. OR ARE THEY ALWAYS. I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT THAT. SECTION TWO. SO. SO WHAT I'M SEEING FROM THIS IS YES, CERTAINLY SUPPORT TRAILS. HOWEVER WITH BASED ON ALL THE OTHER NEEDS, WE CERTAINLY A PRETTY LARGE PERCENTAGE OF THE RESPONDENTS SAY TRY TO LOOK FOR ALTERNATIVE SOURCES OF REVENUE FOR GRANTS, ETC. LOOK AT OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. COMMUNITY ALREADY ANSWERED THAT QUESTION FOR US. ARE WE GOING TO DO IT AGAIN? THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT. I MEAN, THINK ABOUT THE THINGS AGAIN THAT THE RESIDENT OF DUNCANVILLE IN 2040, WHAT IS IT THAT THEY'RE REALLY THANKFUL FOR? IT'S NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A RESIDENT. RIGH, TO CREATE A TRAIL. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT BASICALLY THE MUNICIPALITY HAS TO DO. SO EVEN GOING FOR A WALK, MY WIFE AND I WALK OUR DOGS LITERALLY ALMOST EVERY SINGLE NIGHT. AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE THERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THERE'S PORTIONS, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, SIDEWALKS ARE MISSING AND, YOU KNOW, TRAILS AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS OR, OR PEOPLE HAVE PILED ALL KINDS OF STUFF UP ON THE SIDEWALK AND YOU CAN'T USE IT. WHICH REMINDS ME, I GOT TO TELL YOU ABOUT PLACE TOMORROW. BUT ANYWAY, SO WE GOT TO GET OFF THE SIDEWALK. YEAH, RIGHT. AND THEN GO AROUND AND ALL THAT STUFF.

BUT IT'S GENERALLY A QUALITY OF LIFE THING THAT PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE IN, A COMMUNITY WHERE THERE ARE TRAILS AND, AND THOSE TYPES OF ACCESS. QUESTION STILL ON THE TRAILS CATEGORY FOR BIKE LANES.

DO YOU SUPPORT THE CONCEPT OF ROAD DIETS, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, WAS DISCUSSED WITH DANIEL DALE

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AND THE ANSWER I GOT WAS THAT NOTHING HAD BEEN DONE. BECAUSE YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T LOCK IN FUTURE COUNCILS. I GOT I GOT THAT. SO I'M KIND OF IN AGREEMENT THAT I DON'T KNOW ABOUT FULL SPEED AHEAD. BUT IF WE DON'T DO IT NOW, FUTURE COUNCILS MAY NOT WANT TO WANT TO FINISH THIS. SO WE HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO FIGURE OUT WHICH FORM THAT CHAD JUST DESCRIBED. A SHARED LANE SEEMS TO BE THE MOST REASONABLE, BUT HOW DO BIKE RIDERS FEEL ABOUT SHARING A LANE WITH TRAFFIC? SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS AS A AS A CYCLIST, BECAUSE I'M SORRY I CALLED YOU A BIKE RIDER, BUT SO, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE SAY, YOU KNOW, I'VE HEARD SOMEONE SAY SOMETHING LIKE, OH, SOMEBODY'S GOING TO GET KILLED, YOU KNOW, RIDING A BIKE ON THERE. THE ONLY TIME I HEAR THAT IS FROM PEOPLE WHO DON'T RIDE BIKES. SO, YOU KNOW, SO I'M GOING TO SAY THAT. BUT THAT BEING SAID, I NEVER RIDE ON DANIEL BECAUSE I'M SCARED I'M GONNA GET KILLED. IT'S NOT IT'S NOT A GOOD PLACE TO RIDE, BUT NOW ONE MORE, THAT BEING SAID, IS, YOU KNOW, I MENTIONED THIS BEFORE. SO YOU MENTIONED CLARK, RIGHT? IN DALLAS. SO, SO CYCLISTS START EVERY SATURDAY. YOU KNOW, IN GOOD WEATHER. YOU SEE LARGE GROUPS OF CYCLISTS STARTING AT THE MOUNTAIN CREEK REC CENTER. THEY START THERE. THEY EITHER RIDE SOUTH ON MOUNTAIN CREEK OR THEY RIDE NORTH TOWARD DUNCANVILLE AND CEDAR HILL. WHEN THEY GET TO CLARK ROAD, THEY TURN RIGHT. THEY GO TO CEDAR HILL. WHY? BECAUSE CEDAR HILL HAS GOOD PLACES TO RIDE, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE A BIKE TRAIL. SO THEIR BIKE TRAIL GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN.

GRAND PRAIRIE HAS A BEAUTIFUL BIKE TRAIL ON CAMP WISDOM. THEY CONNECT. RIGHT. SO YOU'VE GOT ALL THAT CONNECTIVITY. AND THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF US YOU HAVE DESOTO, WHICH HAS ROY OR TRAIL THAT GOES ALL ALMOST ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE CITY. LANCASTER HAS A BIKE TRAIL RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CITY THAT THEY PLAN TO CONNECT WITH. ROYAL WILMER, LITTLE OLD WILMER. THEY'VE GOT A BEAUTIFUL BIKE PATH, LIGHTS AND EVERYTHING. SO THEY'RE THEY'RE CONNECTED ALL. THERE'S A PRESERVE OVER THERE. SO DESOTO. SO. AND GUESS WHO'S THE DEAD EN? IT IS NOT CITY OF DUNCANVILLE.

SO. AND I DON'T THINK YOU KNOW. SO FOR DANIEL DALE, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS THE BEST OPTION, BUT

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AND TO KILL IT RIGHT THERE AND NOT CONTINUE IT IN SOME FORM OR FASHION, I THINK IT VIOLATES THE INTENT OF THOSE THAT VOTED TO APPROVE IT. YOU KNOW WHAT 2018, 2019? WHY DO WE DO ALL THAT? WE SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON THAT. AND IT TAKES YOU TO LARRY LANE AND YOU'RE DONE. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, BACK TO JEREMY'S POINT. IT'S ABOUT THE CONNECTIVITY AND THAT'S THE WHOLE THING. YEAH.

FROM ALL THE WAY OVER AND ALL THE WAY THROUGH. I THINK YOU'RE HEARING THIS HERE, TOO. I THINK THIS MIGHT BE AN INSTANCE WHERE THIS DOESN'T REFLECT THE WILL OF COUNCIL. YEAH. GOT IT. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS ASKING EARLIER ABOUT. WE HAVE A CONSENSUS. WHAT IS THAT CONSENSUS? I THINK WE'VE GOT A PRETTY GOOD CONSENSUS ON HERE THIS TIME REFLECTED IN THIS RESULT. AND I WILL SHARE WHEN I CAME ON TO COUNCIL, I WASN'T IN FAVOR OF BECAUSE I LIVE IN THAT AREA ALONG DANIEL DALE. AND THE WAY I DRIVE, I WANT TO HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO GO FAST, TO GO AROUND PEOPLE. I WANT OPTIONS. CLOSE YOUR EARS, CHIEF. SO HOWEVER, I WENT OUT DRIVING THE AREA AND I SEE THE POINT OF THE CONNECTIVITY AND NOW HEARING THAT THERE IS AN OPTION IN THE DIET OF JUST SHRINKING THE LANES, WE COULD STILL HAVE. IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN I HAVE TO GET RID OF MY THREE LANES, IT JUST MEANS THAT THEY CAN BE A LITTLE BIT MORE NARROWER AND PROVIDE GUIDANCE TO HELP PEOPLE SLOW DOWN. YEAH, AS WELL, BECAUSE AS MUCH AS I'VE HEARD THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE JEREMY SAYING THAT THOSE THAT DON'T RIDE BIKES, OKAY, WELL, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN KILLED ON DANIEL DALE. YEAH. AND IT'S VEHICLES AND IT'S AND IT'S SPEEDING. AND IN THAT ONE AND WE SEE HOW MANY TICKETS DO YOU ALL SET SOMEBODY OUT ON DANIEL DALE ALL THE TIME. HOW MANY TICKETS DO YOU THINK YOU'D BE RIDING? I CAN'T ANSWER THAT. I DON'T KNOW THAT. BUT I GUARANTEE YOU IT'S A IT'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT. I MEAN, THAT'S ESSENTIALLY IT, RIGHT? S, DANIEL DALE, I THINK THE ROAD WIDTHS ARE, WHAT, 12. THE LANES ARE 12FT, I THINK WIDE. RIGHT.

THERE'S TONS AND TONS OF NATIONAL STUDIES AND STATISTICS. AND TRAFFIC CALMING IS THE OTHER TERM THAT IT'S CALLED INSTEAD OF ROAD DIET. IF YOU HAVE 12 FOOT LANES, ESPECIALLY THROUGH A CITY WHERE THE SPEED LIMIT IS 30 TO 40 MILES AN HOUR, YOU NEED TO HIRE MORE POLICE OFFICERS TO CHANGE THE BEHAVIOR. OR YOU CAN SHRINK THE LANES TO TEN FEET WIDE AND INTRODUCE TRAFFIC CALMING. GUESS WHAT? YOU JUST PICKED UP SIX FEET THEN. NOW YOU CAN CREATE EITHER A SHOULDER OR A BIKE LANE, AND WE HAVE THAT RIGHT OF WAY ALONG DANIEL DALE TO THAT GREEN RIGHT BEHIND THE FENCES. SO THERE'S A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY WITH THE ROAD DIET SHRINKING THEM DOWN. I SAY WE CONTINUE. WE HAVE CITIZENS REQUESTING IT EVERY COUNCIL MEETING. YES, I HEARD A LOT ABOUT IT CAMPAIGNING LAST YEAR. YEAH. AND TO THE POINT JUST TO YOUR POINT AND TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE BEING DANGEROUS. YOU KNOW, FOR THOSE SPIKE BIKE LANES OR EVEN SHARED USE PATHS, THEY CAN BE SEPARATED AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE LIKE, I KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF THOSE BIKE LANES THAT ARE JUST SHARING, YOU KNOW, A LANE WITH THE STREET OR WITH THE NORMAL DRIVERS. BUT THERE ARE SEPARATED PATHS THAT CAN BE DESIGNED TO WHERE IT PROVIDES A LITTLE BIT MORE SAFETY AND A DESIGNATED, YOU KNOW, CLEARLY DESIGNATED LANE FOR BIKERS OR FOR PEDESTRIANS. EVEN GOING BACK TO THE EXAMPLE AND EVERY SINGLE TIME I PULL OUT OF MY DEVELOPMENT ON THE DANIEL DALE, I'M INCHING UP TO SEE, BECAUSE THAT THIRD LANE IS RIGHT THERE. RIGHT? SO IF THERE ARE TEN FOOT LANES AND NOW THAT SIX FOOT IS A BIKE LANE SLASH SHOULDER, THAT GIVES ME A LITTLE BIT OF WIGGLE ROOM SO I CAN SEE AROUND THE CORNER. SO IT DOES BECOME A SAFETY THING TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO WITH THAT SCHOOL TRAFFIC. ACTUALLY, DAVID, DO YOU WANT TO SHARE A QUICK VILLAGE TECH? VILLAGE TECH HAS IMPROVED THEIR TRAFFIC GREATLY. WE MET WITH THEM, CHIEF ARENA IS ACTUALLY DID THE FIRST ONE TODAY, AND WE'LL DO TWO MORE FLYOVERS WITH A DRONE TOMORROW AND THURSDAY TO KIND OF CONFIRM WHAT WE HEARD. BUT ESSENTIALLY AT THIS POINT THEY LET OUT AT 430. THEY'RE COMPLETELY DONE BY BEFORE 5:00. AND THERE'S LESS TRAFFIC ON BOTH DANIEL DALE AND CEDAR HILL. THEY'VE IMPROVED THEIR QUEUING. AND I WENT BY THERE TODAY RIGHT BEFORE COMING TO THIS MEETING BECAUSE I HAD TO LET THE DOGS OUT. AND COMING BACK, THERE WAS ONE VEHICLE ON

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LANCASTER, THEIR TOWN SQUARE. SATURDAYS YOU SEE PEOPLE, THEY STOP THERE ON THEIR BIKES, THEY EAT, THEY HANG OUT AND TALK. SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT OPTIONS. YOU KNOW, WE CAN ALSO FIGURE OUT SOME WAY TO GET THEM THROUGH OUR DOWNTOWN AS WELL. SO YOU KNOW WE'VE GOT COFFEE SHOPS AND PLACES TO GET SANDWICHES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO YOU KNOW, THIS IS ALSO PART OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. ABSOLUTELY. AND IF I MAY JUST ADD HERE THAT THESE KIND OF PROJECTS ARE VERY, VERY, VERY FAVORABLE BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND VERY SUPPORTIVE BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. WHEN YOU THOSE PROJECTS THAT COVER THE WORDS LIKE SAFETY, THAT COVERS THE WORD CONNECTIVITY, MOBILITY IS REALLY A LOT OF THERE A LOT OF GRANTS OUT THERE FOR CITIES TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT. WE ARE NOT AT THIS POINT, BUT HOPEFULLY AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, WE CAN BE ONE OF THOSE CITIES THAT ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THESE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OR MAYBE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS, ALL OVER THE COUNTRY THAT'S BEING GIVEN TO SUCH PROJECTS. WE HAVE SUBMITTED THE DANIEL DALE ROAD DIET FOR GRANTS IN THE PAST, DIDN'T MAKE THE LAST CUT BECAUSE DART GOT MOST OF THE MONEY, BUT COB WAS TOLD ME IN PERSON THAT THEY LOVE OUR PROJECT, AND SO I THINK THAT WE WERE ON THEIR RADAR FOR THOSE MONIES. THERE'S ONE THING COUNCIL MEMBER KOONTZ AND I HAD A VERY BRIEF CONVERSATION WHEN WE WERE MEETING NOT TOO LONG AGO. THERE'S REALLY ONE THING. AND AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. AND TO COUNCIL MEMBER PENNEBAKER ABOUT THERE'S SOME PEOPLE VOTING BEFORE YOU GUYS EVEN VOTE. AND I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT THIS ALSO COULD BE RESIDENTS VOTING, BECAUSE IF A RESIDENT RIGHT NOW IS LISTENING AND WATCHING LOGGED IN, THEY COULD BE VOTING TOO. SO IT'S JUST A BROAD PERSPECTIVE.

BUT THE ONE THING I THINK THAT THE COUNCIL COULD DO TO REALLY HELP ADVANCE THIS IS CONSIDER A COMPLETE STREETS POLICY. COMPLETE STREETS POLICY. AS I WAS SAYING, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT REQUIRES ANYTIME THERE'S FEDERAL MONEY COMING DOWN FOR A PROGRAM, IT HAS TO BE A COMPLETE STREET, WHICH INCLUDES BIKE LANE. IT INCLUDES AN ADA ACCESSIBLE SIDEWALK. IF WE ADOPTED A POLICY THAT AT LEAST THE COUNCIL THE CITY WAS GOING TO EVALUATE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, ANYTIME A STREET IS BEING REDONE AS A COMPLETE STREET, THAT WOULD GO A LONG, LONG, LONG WAY. GETTING GRANTS FOR THOSE, FOR THOSE. SO SHOW ME THE MONEY. YEAH. DO THAT. YEAH.

OKAY. OPTIONS FOR BIKE LANES THROUGHOUT THE CITY. OBVIOUSLY THERE'S VOTES COMING IN. HERE'S THE WAY I LOOK AT THIS. 84% OF EVERYBODY SAID YES. SOME ARE SAYING FULL SPEED AHEAD. SOME ARE SAYING AS GRANTS PROVIDE, BUT 84% ARE SAYING YES. NOW IT'S 90 OR 10. I LOOKED AT IT BACKWARDS. 55 I LOOKED AT I ADDED THE WRONG TWO TOGETHER. FIVE TOGETHER. OKAY, STILL MORE THAN HALF. WE'RE SAYING YES. SO ALL RIGHT. AND WHOEVER'S VOTING NO I'D LIKE TO COME TALK. ALL RIGHT. DO YOU BELIEVE WE NEED MORE BIKE TRAILS ON OR OFF ROAD? WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR HERE IS HOW ABOUT BIKE TRAILS WITH BART? SHOWED A PICTURE EARLIER OF HARRINGTON PARK. HOW ABOUT BIKE TRAILS OFF ROAD LIKE WITHIN THE PARKS AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS? AND ALONG THE IN IN ADDITION TO BIKE LANES ON THE ROADS. HOW ABOUT OFF ROAD SPECIFICALLY? ARE YOU OPEN TO THOSE TYPES OF THINGS LIKE WHAT IS IT? IS IT OH, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH CITY HAS WHAT'S IT CALLED WITH THE MOUNTAIN BIKES, PUMP TRACK, PUMP TRACK, BMX, THE BMX TYPE STUFF AND ALL THOSE TYPES OF THINGS? YEAH, THE MOUNTAIN CREEK IS LIKE A TOP WHERE I MEAN, DO WE HAVE NO SPACE IN ANY OF OUR PARKS FOR A COMPLETE. YEAH, I MEAN, TO GET MORE THAN 200M OF RIDING. YEAH. THE PARK. WELL, AS FAR AS HARRINGTON LOOPED OR STRAIGHT TRAILS LIKE THE ONES LOOKED AT THE PUMP TRACKS FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW, AND THERE'S SEVERAL LOCATIONS THAT WOULD THAT WOULD EASILY. BUT WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT TRAIL THAT COMES OFF OF THE HILL CITY AND TAKES YOU THROUGH TO CENTER STREET BEHIND TANGLEWOOD? YEAH, THAT'S SHARED BY. YEAH, THAT'S JUST A IT'S HALF CONCRETE, HALF DG PUBLIC

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OBVIOUSLY, A FUTURE COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE THAT. BUT THERE ARE SOME PROVISIONS ACTUALLY, IN TEXAS LAW THAT ALLOW FOR THE PROTECTION. IF IT'S A DESIGNATED AS A PARK, RECREATION AND WILDLIFE REFUGE. YES, SIR. AND I ALMOST WISH YOU WOULD EXPLAIN THAT BEFORE WE STARTED ANSWERING, BECAUSE SO IT WOULDN'T CHANGE THE ZONING. RIGHT? SO THE ZONING REMAINED INTACT. AND SO ALL THE REGULATIONS INVOLVED THE ZONING FOR PRESERVED AND PROTECTED GREEN SITES, SO THAT WOULD REMAIN INTACT. BUT HAVING A PARKS DESIGNATION, IT THEN REQUIRES A PUBLIC VOTE IN ORDER TO CHANGE IT. RIGHT. AND SO HAVING A PARKS DESIGNATION WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL LEVEL OF PROTECTION. ON THE PRESERVE OKA. IT'S PRETTY CLOSE. AND AGAIN, WHAT I'M REALLY LOOKING FOR HERE IS TO SET THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING ON, THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE BRINGING BACK TO COUNCIL. AND OBVIOUSLY THIS MAY COME UP AS PART OF THE MASTER PLAN TOO. SO WE'RE GOOD ON THIS MOVING ON. CAN WE SKIP PLEASE. ANYBODY WANT TO TALK ABOUT POLICE I DON'T KNOW. THEY ALWAYS ARE. THE TOPIC OKAY. SO LET'S START WITH GOOD THINGS RIGHT. WE HAVE A NEW POLICE CHIEF. WOOHOO! THAT'S NOT ONLY IT'S NOT ON THERE, NEITHER WAS THE FIRE CHIEF. THOUGH IN FAIRNESS, I'M BEING FAIR, RIGHT? YOU GOT TO TREAT ALL THE KIDS THE SAME. SO. BUT THE POLICE ALSO HAVE SOME GREAT ACCOMPLISHMENTS. CHIEF STOGNER HAS HAD A VERY, VERY BUSY YEAR. THE NEW REPORT WRITING ROOM. RIGHT. HERE'S A PICTURE OF IT RIGHT HERE. IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT. THEY WERE BEFORE IN A CLOSET BASICALLY. BUT THEIR NEW REPORT WRITING ROOM IS UP. FUNCTIONAL. OPERATING THREE OFFICERS AT A TIME CAN ACTUALLY USE IT 3 OR 4 THREE. WE ACTUALLY INCREASED IT JUST YESTERDAY TO FOUR. THE OFFICERS ASKED FOR AN ADDITIONAL WORKSPACE. PERFECT. WORKOUT AREA. I'M GOING TO SHOW THE WORKOUT AREA AS A PRO AND A NEED FOR IMPROVEMENT. BUT BUT AT LEAST THERE'S A WORKOUT AREA. AND WHAT HE DID WAS HE CONVERTED THE WHAT'S IT CALLED, THE SALAD BAR? YES, SIR. TO THAT A LOT OF IMPROVEMENTS COSMETICALLY FRONT FACING AREA. THE ONE THING WE'VE DONE SOME HVAC, SOME HVAC, BUT THE OTHER THING THAT COMES TO MIND UNDER FLEET IMPROVEMENTS ESPECIALLY IS ALL THE POLICE VEHICLES AS FAR AS I KNOW, THE AIR CONDITIONING WORKS. YES. AND THAT'S A HUGE STEP FORWARD. HUG. BECAUSE THAT WASN'T THE CASE.

ABSOLUTELY. AND THEN YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT FLEET IMPROVEMENTS, ESPECIALLY WITH JOEL SITTING HERE AND THE CREW. YEAH. I'LL HAPPILY I'LL TELL YOU. GOSH, PROBABLY THE LAST 4 OR 5 YEARS I'VE NEVER SEEN OUR BOARD WITH LESS RED AND OUR BOARD IS WHERE ALL OF OUR VEHICLES ARE LISTED AND WHICH ONES ARE DOWN. WE WERE TO THE POINT WHERE WE HAD TO BORROW THE SCHOOL DISTRICT

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THERE REALLY EVERY SINGLE DAY KEEP US OPERATIONAL, KEEP US FUNCTIONAL. AND I STARTED EARLIER THIS YEAR WITH PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR AND RENOUNCE JIHAD. AND MATT AND JOEL AND EVERY SINGLE FRIDAY MORNING AT 830, I HAVE A MEETING WITH PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT SHAHAD AND MATT. EVERY SINGLE MORNING BEFORE I HAD THAT 830 MEETING, I WALK OVER TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND WE'LL GO OVER THE POLICE COMMAND, AND I LOOK AT THE BOARD AND I LOOK FOR ALL THE LITTLE RED LINES. THOSE ARE THE. AND MATT CAUGHT ON TO THAT PRETTY EARLY. AND THEN STARTED WORKING WITH JOEL. AND THEY WOULD GO OVER AND CHECK SO THAT THAT LIST WAS NOT SO THERE WERE FEWER RED LINES ON THAT ON FRIDAY MORNING WHEN WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION. BUT THEY HAVE I MEAN, JOEL REALLY TOOK THE BULL BY THE HORNS EARLIER THIS YEAR. AND NOW WE'VE GOT ROBERT REALLY GETTING UP TO SPEED AND A LOT OF GREAT THINGS HAPPENING WITH OUR FLEET MAINTENANCE, BUT HUGE IMPROVEMENTS, HUGE, HUGE IMPROVEMENTS AND SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT BECAUSE I WENT TO THE SPOOKY OPEN HOUSE THAT THEY HAD THIS WEEKEND, WHICH WAS A WONDERFUL EVENT. SO I FINALLY GOT TO SEE THE SWAT VAN THAT WAS PURCHASED AND ACTUALLY SAW HOW MUCH OF AN IMPROVEMENT IT WAS VERSUS THE OTHER ONE. SO, YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO COME BACK TO THE NUMBERS BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO DO A LITTLE SHOW AND TELL HERE, AND OUR POLICE, THERE'S A LOT OF AMAZON BOXES. THAT WASN'T WHAT YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING AT. BUT. JUST STORAGE CONTAINERS, SOMEBODY'S OFFICE.

YEAH. SO RIGHT. SO THIS PICTURE, THIS PICTURE, THIS PICTURE CHIEF JUMP IN HERE. BUT THESE ARE THE OLD JAIL CELLS, RIGHT? THEY ARE. YES. SO HAVING TO REUSE ALL THAT STUFF. THAT'S CORRECT. SO UNFORTUNATELY WE'RE OUT OF SPACE. WE USE WHAT WE CAN. AND IN FACT OUR EVIDENCE ROOM IS BEYOND ITS CAPACITY. AND SO WE'VE REPURPOSED OUR JAIL CELLS AND HAD A WELDER COME IN AND WELD THESE HASPS ON SO WE CAN PADLOCK A LOT OF OUR EVIDENCE. THAT'S ONE THING THAT WE CAN GET IN A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF TROUBLE WITH. I MEAN, THINK ABOUT IT. SOME OF THIS EVIDENCE BEING MISPLACED OR LOST, NOT SAYING THAT WE'VE DONE THAT, BUT IMAGINE IT BEING A MURDER OR SEXUAL ASSAULT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD NEVER WANT TO HAVE TO ANSWER WHEN IT COMES TO THE PUBLIC, BUT WE'VE HAD OUR REASSESSMENT WITH TPCA, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY LOOKED AT IS WHERE ALL OF OUR EVIDENCE IS BEING STORED. WE HAVE ONE EVIDENCE ROOM WHERE OUR EVIDENCE TECHS ARE HOUSED, AND THEN WE HAVE SIX JAIL CELLS. WE HAVE A CAGE IN ANOTHER LOCATION. SOME OF IT'S STORED IN A CONNEX BOX DOWN IN OUR AUTO POUND, FLOOR TO CEILING, FLOOR TO CEILING.

ABSOLUTELY. THEY WANT OBVIOUSLY ALL OF THAT IN A CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENT WHERE OUR TECHS ARE LOCATED. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO FAIL OUR REASSESSMENT, BUT THEY'RE WE'RE TEETERING ON NOT FOLLOWING BEST PRACTICES BECAUSE OF IT. SO IN ADDITION TO THAT, OUR HONOR GUARD UNIFORMS ARE BEING STORED IN THE JAIL. WE HAVE OUR SHIELDS. WE JUST ANYTHING THAT WE CAN PUT IN THERE TO TRY TO RECREATE SOME AREA IN OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, WE PUT IN OUR JAIL CELL, EVEN MAXIMIZING THEY'RE USING THE HALLWAY SPACE. I MEAN, WE JOKED ABOUT THE AMAZON BOXES, BUT THIS IS ALL HALLWAY, RIGHT? THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO USE AS MUCH AS THEY CAN. THAT'S SOMEBODY'S OFFICE THERE. THAT'S BEING TWO PEOPLE, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. YES. THE SHIELDS OBVIOUSLY THAT'S WORKOUT ROOM, EVEN THE KITCHEN. I'LL TELL YOU, IN 2017, I BUILT A NEW SERVICE CENTER THAT SERVICE CENTER, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT REALLY THE EMPLOYEES ASKED FOR WAS MORE MICROWAVES, RIGHT. BECAUSE WHEN EVERYBODY COMES IN AND EVERYBODY'S TRYING TO USE ONE MICROWAVE, LIKE IF

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THEY'RE GOING TO DO MUCH RELAXING IN THERE. HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE STORAGE AREA.

THERE'S ANOTHER CELL BEING USED FOR STORAGE, JUST MAXIMIZING EVERY SPACE. AGAIN, THE WORKOUT ROOM YOU WANT TO TOUCH ABOUT THAT AS WELL AS THE SALARY. YES. SO THE WORKOUT ROOM, IT'S IN OUR SALLY PORT. IT'S TAKING UP A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF ROOM. OBVIOUSLY. NORMALLY WE'LL PUT OUR RADAR TRAILERS IN THERE TO CHARGE OUR MOTORCYCLES. THE WORKOUT FACILITY WAS SOMETHING THAT WE ALL WANTED. IF YOU CALL THE POLICE AND YOU WANT A POLICE OFFICER, SHOW UP. YOU WANT SOMEBODY WHO'S SOMEWHAT FIT. I WOULD AT LEAST. AND I THINK THAT PROVIDES OUR OFFICERS AN ABILITY TO GO OUT. THEY DON'T HAVE THE EXCUSE. WELL, WE DON'T HAVE THAT THAT, THAT FACILITY OR THAT EQUIPMENT. IT ALSO REDUCES STRESS, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I WORK OUT DURING DURING THE DAY AND I'M TELLING MY STRESS LEVELS HERE BY THE TIME I'M DONE, IT'S GONE. SO THAT HELPS AS WELL. WE HAVE FLAMMABLES THAT YELLOW BOX THERE IS WHERE OUR EVIDENCE IS FOR ANY FLAMMABLE LIQUIDS. SO IT IS IN OUR WORKOUT FACILITY STORED NEXT TO THE MOTORCYCLE, STORED NEXT TO A MOTORCYCLE OUTSIDE. OUTSIDE. THAT'S CORRECT. SO OBVIOUSLY WHEN IT'S HOT YOU RAISE THE SALLY PORT DOORS. YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF FANS AND YOU JUST DEAL WITH IT. IF IT'S COLD, YOU CLOSE THEM AND YOU JUST DEAL WITH THE COLD. YOU DEAL WITH NATURE. THAT'S NOT THE BEST SCENARIO, BUT IT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO WORK WITH. AND THAT LITTLE PIECE OF WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO DO IN THAT ROOM, I THINK, HELPED THE MORALE IN OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT. JUST THAT SMALL PIECE I WANT TO ASK, WHAT'S THE MORALE LIKE IN OUR OFFICERS LOOKING FOR BETTER FACILITIES TO WORK IN? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD CAUSE THEM? ABSOLUTELY. THERE'S NO QUESTION IF YOU GO TO ANY DEPARTMENT THAT HAS A POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT WAS BUILT IN THE 90S, YOU'RE BETTER THAN WE ARE. ONE OF THE BIG THINGS THAT I WANT TO DO, AND WE'RE WORKING ON THIS AS WELL, IS BECOME A TRAINING PROVIDER AND HOST THESE CLASSES AND HAVE OFFICERS COME TO OUR STATION AND HOPEFULLY RECRUIT THEM. BUT I CAN'T DO THAT WITH WHAT WE HAVE. I DON'T HAVE THE FACILITY TO HOST THIS TRAINING, AND WOULD YOU WANT THEM TO COME IN AND LOOK AT THIS? YOU WILL BE GETTING VERY, VERY SOON. THE MATRIX RIGHT. THE MATRIX STUDY. THE MATRIX STUDY. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THERE'S A SURVEY IN THE MATRIX STUDY WE'VE SEEN THE DRAFT SURVEY RESULTS FROM EMPLOYEES. AND ONE OF THE QUESTIONS IS I'M GOING TO SUMMARIZE IT. I'M PROBABLY NOT EXACT. BUT DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE THE EQUIPMENT AND FACILITIES TO DO YOUR JOB. AND THE MAJORITY SAID NO. IT WAS OVERWHELMING. OVERWHELMING. SO, YOU KNOW, I FEEL, YOU KNOW, I YOU KNOW, I GO BACK TO I MEAN, I SAID IT THE DAY THAT I MET WITH ALL POLICE OFFICERS, BUT WE'RE CHAMPIONS. WE CAN DO BETTER THAN THIS. WE ABSOLUTELY. WE HAVE TO DO BETTER THAN THIS. ESPECIALLY THINK ABOUT OUR MEN AND WOMEN IN UNIFORM THAT ARE OUT THERE GETTING WHETHER THEY'RE SHOT AT OR DEALING WITH ALL KINDS OF STUFF, AND THEN COMING BACK WITH THIS. THIS IS SAD. SO. YES, SIR. OKAY. YEAH, I AGREE. SO I'M GLAD THAT YOU ARE ABLE TO YOU'RE MAKING USE OF THE SPACE, YOU KNOW, THE WORKOUT ROOM. I'M GLAD YOU'RE ABLE TO DO THAT. BUT I HOPE WE CAN DO BETTER FOR THEM. I HAD A QUESTION, THOUGH. HOW LONG ARE Y'ALL REQUIRED TO KEEP? SO THE EVIDENCE ROOM, RIGHT. SO HOW LONG ARE YOU REQUIRED TO KEEP EVIDENCE BEFORE YOU CAN OR CAN YOU EVER GET RID OF IT? WEL, THERE'S A IT DEPENDS. YOU CERTAINLY HAVE THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS. BUT THEN YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH ANY APPEALS WITH THAT. SO OUR MURDER CASE WE KEEP THAT TO INFINITY. WE HAVE TO HOUSE THAT IN CASE OF THESE APPEALS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, WE ARE ABOUT TO DO A 100% AUDIT OF OUR EVIDENCE ROOM.

SO THAT WILL GIVE ME AN IDEA OF WHAT WE CAN DESTROY. AND WE'RE RUNNING THAT THROUGH THE STATE ORGANIZATION TYPEKIT. THEY'RE GOING TO COME IN AND DO THAT. IT'LL BE INTERESTING TO SEE. I

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GIVE ME ONE SECOND. I'LL COME BACK TO THAT. I CAN'T ANSWER THIS QUESTION. NO, HE CAN ANSWER MINE. YES. HE JUST CALLED ME TO ANSWER. ALL RIGHT, MAN, I JUST CHANGED MY ANSWER. ALL RIGHT, SO IT LOOKS LIKE THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF THE RESPONDENTS HAVE SAID THAT. YES, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE PURSUING SHORT TERM. AND I THINK I THINK THE POLICE OFFICERS WOULD DEFINITELY SUPPORT THAT. OKAY. THAT'S WHY I SAY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS NEXT ADDITIONAL SPACE IS NEEDED.

AND WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT NEW POLICE FACILITY IN THE 8 TO $10 MILLION BALLPARK, RIGHT, WE START TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT OPTIONS. THE FOOTPRINT OF THE EXISTING BUILDING IS NOT LARGE ENOUGH. THERE'S THEY HAVE LITERALLY COUNCIL MEMBER. YOU SAW IT. IF YOU WERE AT THE OPEN HOUSE, THEY HAVE LITERALLY TURNED CLOSETS LITERALLY INTO OFFICES. OR I MEAN, THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH SPACE IN THAT FOOTPRINT. SO THEN WE HAVE OPTIONS, RIGHT? OF DO WE BUILD A WHOLE NEW FACILITY AT A DIFFERENT LOCATION, OR DO WE TRY TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT HERE? HERE'S WHAT I WOULD TELL YOU. AND SO THE CHIEF AND I HAVE BEEN HAVING A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU KNOW, HE AND I AND PLEASE FEEL FREE TO SPEAK UP ABOUT THIS, BUT HE AND I HAVE TALKED A LOT ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF WE BUILT A NEW POLICE FACILITY, MAYBE OVER NEXT TO THE SERVICE CENTER, TO WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF WE BUILT A NEW POLICE FACILITY HERE. HE AND I ARE IN COMMUNICATION A LOT, WHICH IS I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO DESCRIBE IT. YOU AND I TALK A LOT AND EVEN THE CONVENIENCE OF BEING IN THE SAME MORE OR LESS PARCEL AND BEING ABLE TO COMMUNICATE COMES IN VERY, VERY HANDY. AND I THINK THAT THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF COMFORT FROM THE EMPLOYEES, I THINK, AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS RIGHT HERE, AND THAT OUR POLICE OFFICERS ARE ARE HERE ATTACHED TO THE BUILDING. THERE'S. ONE OF THE IDEAS THAT'S FLOATED OUT AND THIS RECENTLY CAME UP AT DAVID AND I WERE AT THE ICMA CONFERENCE AND THERE'S A COMPANY THAT ACTUALLY DOES A LOT OF ARCHITECTURAL WORK ON NEW BUILDINGS, POLICE FACILITIES IN PARTICULAR. AND THERE'S SOMETHING CALLED LINER BUILDINGS AND LINER BUILDINGS ARE WHEN YOU BUILD A BUILDING THAT'S CLOSER TO THE ROAD AND THEN GO UP TRADITIONALLY TO GIVE IT A LOOK AND A FEEL, ESPECIALLY OF WHATEVER THE LOOK OR THE FEEL OF THE COMMUNITY IS TRYING TO PORTRAY. RIGHT. SO THINK ABOUT OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE WORK THAT YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO BE DOING. YOU'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT LIKE CONCEPTS OF DO YOU SUPPORT THIS? DO YOU NOT SUPPORT THAT, THAT TYPE OF THING. SO LET'S SAY HYPOTHETICALLY THAT THE COMMUNITY SAYS, YEAH, WE COULD SEE GOING UP TWO, THREE, FOUR STORIES DOWNTOWN RIGHT. THE QUESTION THAT I'M ASKING YOU HERE IS THIS SPACE THAT'S IN FRONT OF THE POLICE STATION, INSTEAD OF BUILDING A WHOLE NEW FACILITY AT A NEW LOCATION, WOULD YOU SUPPORT THE CONCEPT OF BUILDING OUT CLOSER TO THE ROAD, MAYBE EVEN RIGHT UP NEAR THE SIDEWALK OR JUST OFF THE SIDEWALK? AND MAYBE WE LOOK AT THAT EVENTUALLY HERE, THE FACILITY NEEDS ASSESSMENT.

ALREADY INTRODUCED THIS CONCEPT OF CITY HALL OVER THE NEXT 15 YEARS, COMING OUT, BUT MAYBE COMING OUT HERE AND GOING UP TO GIVE THEM ALL OF THE SPACE THEY NEED. PLUS THE EXISTING BUILDING WOULD STAY. IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE'D HAVE TO GET THE ARCHITECTURAL AND WE'D HAVE TO GET THE CONSTRUCTION ESTIMATES AND EVERYTHING, BUT IT SHOULD BE SUBSTANTIALLY LESS EXPENSIVE THAN BUILDING A WHOLE NEW FACILITY AT A NEW LOCATION. AND WE'D BE ABLE TO DO THAT, GO UP A COUPLE OF STORIES. I MEAN, WE COULD REALLY GET CREATIVE. I MEAN, THEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT THINGS. DO YOU WANT TO? OBVIOUSLY, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE SECURE, ESPECIALLY WHERE ALL THE POLICE OFFICERS OFFICES ARE. BUT DO YOU WANT TO PUT RETAIL ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND THEN HAVE A SEPARATE SYSTEM WHERE YOU GO UP TO THE SECOND OR THIRD FLOOR THAT'S SECURE? DOES THE WHOLE THING JUST BECOME THE POLICE? DO YOU DO YOU INCORPORATE SOME ADDITIONAL OFFICE OR CONFERENCE SPACE? THERE'S LOTS OF CONVERSATIONS THAT COULD TAKE PLACE AS YOU REALLY START TO REIMAGINE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, AND BEING CREATIVE ABOUT THAT AND CREATING THAT LINER. SO THE QUESTION IS, INSTEAD OF, AGAIN, BUILDING A WHOLE NEW FACILITY AT A NEW PIECE OF PROPERTY SOMEWHERE, WOULD YOU SUPPORT A CREATIVE CONCEPT IN EXPLORING THAT? WELL, YOU NARROWED US IN TO TOWARDS THE ROAD AND WITHOUT AN ARTIST'S RENDERING OF WHAT THAT WOULD MAKE CITY HALL LOOK LIKE FROM FROM THE FRONT, I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, SO

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THOSE ARE BRAND NEW ESTIMATES. AS OF LAST MONTH, $30,000 PER SPACE. THAT'S WHY MORE AND MORE PEOPLE AREN'T DOING PARKING GARAGES JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE SO INCREDIBLY EXPENSIVE. AND SO THEY'RE LOOKING FOR OTHER OPTIONS. SO IN TERMS OF THE SPACE, THE EXISTING BUILDING, I THINK, AND THIS IS WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE FLESHED OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE. AND A LOT MORE CONVERSATIONS. RIGHT. BUT ACTUALLY LEAVING THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT THE WAY IT IS. AND THEN NEW BUILDING THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S PART OF THE SAME BUILDING, BUT IT'S A COMPLETELY SEPARATE BUILDING WITH ITS OWN FOUNDATION AND EVERYTHING GOING ON CLOSER. OBVIOUSLY, WE'D HAVE TO BRING YOU SOME RENDERINGS, BUT IF YOU'RE AT LEAST OPEN TO ENTERTAINING SOME OF THAT STUFF, WE CAN WORK ON BRINGING YOU SOME IDEAS. AND I THINK, YEAH, YEAH, EXPLORING OPTIONS. SHOW ME EVERY OPTION. YEAH. WHATEVER YOU GOT, I WOULD WANT TO SEE IT. AND THEN YOU MENTIONED BECAUSE I WAS WONDERING ABOUT THIS AS WELL. SO THERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THREE KIND OF GARDEN SPACES BUT YOU KNOW OFF TO THE SIDE THERE, YOU KNOW, I'D BE INTERESTED IN SEEING ANY OPTIONS THAT INVOLVE THOSE SPACES AS WELL. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW IF, YOU KNOW, THE CHIEF AND I WERE TALKING. DOES DALLAS COUNTY OWN PART OF THAT, THAT WE'RE IT'S SOMETHING WE'VE GOT TO WE'LL HAVE TO DIG INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT. THERE'S A QUESTION ON SOMETHING ON THAT. SO BUT YOU KNOW UNLIKE JEREMY I'D LIKE TO EXPLORE OPTIONS. BUT BUT I MEAN EVEN YOU'VE SEEN IT IN DALLAS AND OTHER PLACES YOU CAN HAVE SUBSTATIONS AS WELL TOO, CHIEF. YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT, ABOUT SPLITTING THE FORCE UP WITH SUBSTATIONS? I, I THINK ACCOUNTABILITY WOULD BE THE ISSUE WITH WITH DOING THAT, NOT THAT MAYBE ONCE WE GET A LARGER FACILITY AND WE HAVE SOME ISSUES IN A PARTICULAR AREA, WE SPEAK TO THAT PROPERTY MANAGEMENT, MAYBE HOUSE A FEW OFFICERS IN THAT SHOPPING CENTER. I WOULD MUCH RATHER HAVE EVERYBODY IN ONE FACILITY, BUT THAT IS NOT A BAD IDEA. YEAH, WELL, AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF COUNCIL KNOWS. AND AGAIN, WE'RE BROADCASTING LIVE AND IT'S PUBLIC, BUT WE HAVE WE HAVE HALF A DOZEN OFFICERS NOT NECESSARILY HOUSED HERE. IS THAT CORRECT.

MORE OR LESS. A LITTLE BIT OVER THAT. YES, SIR. WITHOUT GIVING AWAY TOO MUCH. YES OKAY. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. SO WE WILL I THINK WITH THAT WE REALLY NEED TO COME BACK AND, AND I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT'S A DIFFICULT QUESTION, BUT THE QUESTION ACTUALLY ALLOWS FOR US TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION. SO THAT WAS REALLY THE INTENT OF HAVING THAT CONVERSATION. SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR POLICE OR COMMENTS. AND WE'LL MOVE INTO PUBLIC WORKS AND WE'LL WRAP UP.

ALL RIGHT. SO WE GOT POLICE BUILDING ON SHORT TERM. SO OKAY EVERYBODY GOOD. ALL RIGHT MOVING ON TO PUBLIC WORKS. THEY NEED A WHEELBARROW FULL OF MONEY. OH. PUBLIC WORKS. SO SERVICE CENTER.

THE FACILITY NEEDS ASSESSMENT ESTIMATES UP TO $9 MILLION ON THAT SERVICE CENTER. FUELING. WE TALKED ABOUT THE 500,000 THERE STREETS, 6.4 MILLION IS IDENTIFIED. BUT THAT'S THAT'S

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THERE'S SOME OTHER WAYS THAT WE CAN DO THAT WITH A WRAPPING AROUND, LIKE OFFICES AROUND LIKE THE GARAGE AREA AND HAVING A CENTRAL GARAGE IN THE CENTER WHERE EVERYTHING IS PULLED IN AND BROUGHT INTO THE FACILITY. BUT THERE ARE THERE ARE SOME OPTIONS THERE. AND SO TRYING TO USE AS MUCH AS WHAT WE CAN BRING IT FORWARD. AND OBVIOUSLY I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND RENDERINGS. WE NEED TO SEE RENDERINGS AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. AND WE HAVE THAT PHOTOS AND I ACTUALLY HAVE ABOUT SIX DIFFERENT FLOOR PLANS OF DIFFERENT SERVICE CENTERS THAT HAVE BEEN CONSTRUCTED IN THE LAST THREE YEARS THAT I'M AFFILIATED WITH. YES, WE HAVE.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT POSSIBLY TOURISM, TAX BUILDING. I'VE NEVER ACTUALLY BEEN INSIDE SERVICE CENTER. THAT'S ANOTHER TOOL YOU CAN SET UP. YOU'D WANT METERS, OKAY. AND LIKE AND LIKE NETS AND COVERS AND PUT YOU IN BODY ARMOR AND SO YES WE CAN DEFINITELY SET THAT UP. I THINK THAT YOU KNOW WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT AND I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER MCBURNETT, I THINK YOU MAY HAVE MENTIONED TO ME THAT THERE WAS EVEN LIKE A PUBLIC OPEN HOUSE PREVIOUSLY DONE OUT THERE WHEN THE BOND PROJECTS WERE GOING ON. AND IT WAS, OF COURSE, THE LEAST ATTENDED SPOT FIRE STATION, MUCH MORE POPULAR. BUT WHEN YOU GO THERE AND AGAIN, CHIEF, I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO THE FIRE STATION THAT THAT PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING, WE'RE NOT TREATING OUR EMPLOYEES RIGHT ON THE CEILING. CEILING TILES FALLING DOWN THAT GARAGE. IT'S BAD. IT'S REALLY BAD. THERE'S EVEN ON TOPS OF THE LOCKERS. I DON'T KNOW, YOU GUYS ARE BEING AWFULLY QUIET. YOU'RE JUST BEING NICE, I GUESS. ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD? THERE'S MICE, DROPPINGS AND RATS AND. YEAH, ALL KINDS OF STUFF. COCKROACHES, ALL OF ALL. LIKE, WE KIND OF HAVE THEM NOW AROUND US, LIKE, ALL THE TIME. THE CARPET. AND IT'S HONESTLY TOO OLD TO THE POINT THAT IT'S LIKE.

IT'S JUST HARD. LIKE IT DOESN'T. IT SMELLS BAD OVER THERE. YOU KNOW? SO IT'S JUST I'M GOING TO TELL YOU SERIOUSLY, NATIONALLY IS NOT HERE. OUR HR DIRECTOR. SO IF I GET IN TROUBLE TOMORROW, SHE CAN YELL AT ME TOMORROW. BUT WHEN WE WERE HIRING, I WAS SO IMPRESSED. SHE WAS SO KNOWLEDGEABLE AND EVERYTHING ELSE. AND I KEPT SAYING, WOULD SHE ACTUALLY SHOW UP ONCE SHE SEES THIS? DID YOU EVER WORK AT OPTIMA? YES, I DID OKAY, I DID, YEAH, THE SERVICE CENTER IS

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ARE THE DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS. CITY WIDE? THERE ARE THERE ARE QUITE A FEW DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS CITY WIDE. I THINK WE SHARED THIS IN A MEETING. JIHAD AND I WERE ON A CALL. I'M NOT SURE WHO ELSE WAS ON THE CALL, BUT OF THE 11.4MI■!S OF TE CITY OF DUNCANVILLE, THERE ARE 21 MILES WITHIN THE CITY OF DUNCANVILLE OF TRIBUTARIES, SO THERE IS A LOT OF MOVING WATER IN THE CITY OF DUNCANVILLE. I'D LIKE, BUT WE'RE ALREADY WORKING ON ELLIS. LS LR? YES. YEAH. AND I WANT TO ADD HERE, TOO, THAT SOME OF THE TRAFFIC ELEMENTS AGAIN BRINGING BACK THE WHAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER THAT THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR FUNDS WHEN IT COMES TO TRAFFIC, MORE ADA COMPLIANCE OR SIDEWALKS MORE THAN STREETS PAVEMENTS. IT JUST REALLY IT'S JUST GOING TO BE THAT THE STREETS USUALLY GOING TO TAKE THE CITY HAS TO BE MAINLY RESPONSIBLE FOR IMPROVEMENT OF STREETS OR PAVEMENTS IN GENERAL, LIKE STREETS, ALLEYS. IF WE DO SO THAT'S REALLY IS GOING TO BE MORE ON THE CITY'S GENERAL FUNDS KIND OF, OR BONDS OR WHATEVER OF THOSE KIND OF CITY FUNDED OPTIONS. HOWEVER, THERE ARE MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THINGS RELATED TO TRAFFIC AND WHEN WORKING ON AND I AM SAYING THAT TO ALSO MENTION THAT WE'RE WORKING ON DIFFERENT KIND OF FUNDS WITH TRAFFIC THAT WE JUST CURRENTLY ALSO STARTED WORKING ON WITH A DIFFERENT CONSULTANT, WHICH IS CALLED WITHIN TXDOT. AND IT'S CALLED HIGHWAY SAFETY IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM CIP. AND WITHIN THAT FUNDS, WE'RE TRYING TO APPLY FOR TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENT ON IN OUR BASED ON THAT ANALYSIS THAT THE ENGINEER HAD RUN, THEY KIND OF RECOMMENDED CAMP WISDOM AS ONE AREA OF THAT NEEDS ATTENTION ALONG THE DIFFERENT TRAFFIC SIGNAL UPGRADES TO, YOU KNOW, PUSH BUTTONS, ADA COMPLIANCE AS WELL. ONE OTHER WAS WHEATLAND AND JUST BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME IMPROVEMENTS ON WITH THE CONFLICTING PROJECTS OR FUTURE PROJECTS ON CAMPUS, AND WE'RE KIND OF LEANING TOWARDS WHEATLAND MORE ALSO BECAUSE WE HAVE A RESIDENT THAT IS ALWAYS CONTACTING US ABOUT WITH THE WITH THE VISION ISSUES OR WITH THE DISABILITY VISION DISABILITY THAT IS ALWAYS CONTACTING US ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PUSH BUTTONS AND, YOU KNOW, WHEATLAND ROAD IN SPECIFIC. SO THAT'S ONE OF OTHER REASONS WE ARE TRYING TO PRIORITIZE. SO THERE ARE MANY OTHER THINGS THAT WE NEED WITH THE WITH THE TRAFFIC. GIVEN THAT, YOU KNOW, RED LIGHT FUNDS ARE GONE, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK FOR OTHER SOURCES OF FUNDS FOR THAT AREA. I JUST WANTED TO GIVE AN UPDATE. OKAY. SERVICE CENTER, ARMY JUST WE HAVEN'T TALKED A LOT ABOUT ARMY TONIGHT, SO LET'S JUST TOUCH ON THAT BRIEFLY. ARMY. THE PLAN IS STILL TO MOVE FORWARD WITH BRINGING YOU SOME STUFF ON THAT. WE THERE IS A PROGRAM THROUGH THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THE HOLDUP HAS BEEN, IS WE WENT BACK AND DID THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS TO MAKE SURE WE'D QUALIFY FOR THE GRANT. THAT'S IT'S AT 49% LOAN FORGIVENESS. I THINK IS UP TO

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BUT IT CAN BE IT CAN BE ROLLED TOGETHER IN THE FINANCE. BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HELP US PAY FOR THE SERVICE CENTER. BUT THEY WILL HELP PAY FOR THE ARMY PORTION OF IT. SO ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT MICHELLE. COME ON ARMY, WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT IT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. THAT'S PRIORITY FOR US FOR 25. LIKE YOU WANT THAT DONE LIKE YESTERDAY. I KNOW WE'RE SAYING THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WE WANT DONE YESTERDAY, BUT THIS ONE, BECAUSE I'VE HEARD SOME CONFLICTING THINGS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE JUST CIRCLING BACK WITH YOU GUYS THAT WE ARE WORKING ON ARMY AND WE WANT TO SEE THAT MOVE FORWARD. YEAH.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. JUMP RIGHT ALONG. CAN YOU JUST ADD ARMY AGAIN? JUST I KNOW WE SAID ALL THREE OF THESE ARE PRIORITY. THEY'RE ALL THREE ON THE SHORT TERM LIST. L L L S L OUR SERVICE CENTER AND ARMY. BUT IF YOU HAD TO CHOOSE ONE, IF THERE WAS ONLY FUNDING FOR ONE. HELP ME UNDERSTAND. WE HAVE GRANT MONEY FOR L. S HOPEFULLY. YEAH, HOPEFULLY. IT'S STILL MANDATED.

YEAH, IT'S STILL NOT GETTING DONE REGARDLESS. SO IN THE IDEAL WORLD, WE'LL DO ALL THREE OF THEM. 25, 26 TIME FRAME. HAVE THEM ALL DONE. IDEALLY BY YOU KNOW, I SAID TO ONE OF THE CONSULTANTS, THE OTHER DAY, I'M READY TO CUT THE RIBBON ON THE NEW SERVICE CENTER IN DECEMBER OF 25 AND THE NEW POLICE STATION IN DECEMBER OF 26. AND THEY ASKED ME WHAT I HAVE FOR BREAKFAST. WHAT WAS YOUR ANSWER? THEY COULDN'T GIVE ME ONE. SO. ALL RIGHT. SO ARMY RANKS UP THERE. WATER MASTER PLAN WOULD HELP US IDENTIFY CRITICAL WATER INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS. DO YOU BELIEVE THE MASTER PLAN SHOULD BE COMPLETED IN 25? THIS IS SIMILAR TO WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, THE PARKS MASTER PLAN. BUT THIS WOULD ACTUALLY GO TO GO THROUGH AND EACH OF OUR WATER LINES IDENTIFY WHAT THE SIZE OF THE WATER LINE IS, HOW MUCH WE CAN PROVIDE, WATER WE CAN PROVIDE, WHERE ALL THE DEAD ENDS ARE, WHERE THE PRV VAULTS ARE MISSING, THE PRV VALVES, SO THAT WE KNOW CAN SORT ALL THAT. I KNOW WE HAD SOME STUFF THAT WAS DONE, BUT ONE OF THE CHALLENGES, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST IN 23, I'M DOING THIS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. BUT IN 23, I BELIEVE THE NUMBER WAS THE CITY LOST 10 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER. DOES THAT SOUND ABOUT RIGHT? YES, YES AND YEAH. WAY, WAY TOO MUCH. AND ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT IN THE CITY. ONCE IT COMES INTO THE CITY, WE BUY THE WATER, IT COMES INTO THE CITY. WE DON'T HAVE SEPARATE ZONES NECESSARILY, WHERE WE CAN SORT THAT OUT AND IDENTIFY SPECIFICALLY, BUT JUST IDENTIFICATION, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. ANOTHER THING WAS THE NEW FIRE STATION HAS IS ON A DEAD END LINE. RIGHT? IT'S IT IS ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. SO YEAH. SO THAT THAT WAS 250 OR 200,000 FOR THAT. YES. 200,000, I BELIEVE. IS THAT ALREADY YOU'RE ALREADY BUDGETED, RIGHT. YEAH. WE JUST SENT A NEW FIRE STATION. GOT A DEAD END LINE. YES. IT'S ON, IT'S OFF OF 12. THE EIGHT WAS SUPPOSED TO GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH TOWARDS MAIN STREET, OR LOOP BACK OVER TO THE NURSING HOME WHERE WE HAD PUT A LINE IN ANTICIPATION OF AN EIGHT INCH ALL THE WAY TO KROGER? NO, SIR. IT DID NOT. IT GOES. IT COMES ACROSS THE STREET AND STOPS BECAUSE IT'S BEFORE OUR TIME. SO I, I FIGURED ALL THAT OUT AFTER I GOT BACK. THIS WAS ALL DECIDED AND DONE BEFORE HE WAS ON THE PLANS. THERE WERE A LOT OF CHANGE ORDERS THAT WERE DONE THAT A BUNCH OF CHANGE ORDERS AND STUFF THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. SO I CAN'T ANSWER THAT. SO BEFORE WE START, BECAUSE I NEVER HEARD THIS, SO CAN WE GET AN EXPLANATION BEFORE? JOE, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE RED BIRD WATER TOWER, IT WAS ON THE LIST. RED BIRD WATER TOWER. I KNOW GREG'S COMING FOR YOU. MAYOR IS GOING TO RING MY NECK. CAN YOU HEAR THIS? THAT'S WHY I PUT IT ON HERE. BECAUSE I JUST WANT TO SEE HIM. YEAH, I HAVE REALLY TERRIBLE SHOWERS AS BEFORE. WHEN I STARTED MY CITY, IT WAS DECIDED AS WE WERE BUILDING OUR SYSTEM, THAT THE WATER TOWER AT NORTH MAIN PUMP STATION, WHICH IS UP ON NORTH MAIN, THE ELEVATOR TOWER NEEDS TO BE MOVED. AND IT WAS AT A CENSUS THEN THAT IT WAS MOVED TO RED BIRD PARK, WHICH WOULD HELP THE NORTHERN WESTERN SIDE OF TOWN UP IN DISTRICT FIVE. AND WOULD THIS BE THE LARGEST WATER TANK WE

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SO THE ONE QUESTION I HAVE IS, HOW IS THE CITY GOING TO HANDLE TALKING TO THE PEOPLE THAT WILL BE IMPACTED AND PROPERLY AND POSSIBLY IMPACT THEIR PROPERTY VALUES? I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE WATER TANK, BUT I SAY UNLESS WE COMMUNICATE WELL IN ADVANCE WITH THOSE PEOPLE, BECAUSE YOU MAY EVEN HAVE SOME THOROUGHBRED HILLS PEOPLE THAT ARE NOW GOING TO HAVE THIS THING IN THEIR BACKYARD. I AGREE 100%. NOW, AM I ALSO UNDERSTANDING THAT PART OF IT IS BUILT IN THE CITY OF DALLAS? NO, THE TANK WILL BE FULLY IN THE CITY OF DUNCANVILLE IN THE IN REDBIRD PARK. REDBIRD PARK INSTEAD OF TREES, WE'VE GOT A MILLION GALLON WATER TANK AND WE CAN'T GROW TREES THERE. WE HEARD EARLIER SO HOW ARE WE GOING TO COMPENSATE? IS WHAT I'M GETTING AT. WE ARE JUST GOING TO DO A. LOOK LIKE A TREE TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A TREE. LOOK LIKE. WE CAN PAINT IT ANY WAY WE WANT.

IT'S GETTING LATE. SO SERIOUSLY, AS LONG AS WE GIVE AN ADVANCED A MUCH NEEDED ADVANCED ROLLOUT TO THE PEOPLE IN THAT AREA, TOWN HALL MEETING, WHATEVER, JUST TO TELL THEM IT'S COMING BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE VISIBLE TO A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WHEN THEY BOUGHT THE HOUSE THAT WAS THERE, IT WAS NOT THERE. AND THAT'S KIND OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF LIKE ANOTHER SITUATION WE'RE DEALING WITH WITH A NEIGHBOR THAT'S GOING TO BE IMPACTED BY POSSIBLY BY SOMETHING. WE'VE GOT TO RULE IT OUT SOON ENOUGH SO PEOPLE KNOW AND WE PROBABLY PROBABLY BE A GOOD IDEA IF WE HAD A LITTLE BIT IN OUR BACK POCKET. INFORMATION REGARDING IMPACT IN PROPERTY VALUES WITH THAT, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO IMPACT A LOT OF HOUSES. SO AND I'M REALLY NOT TRYING TO BE NEGATIVE BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND IT WAS EXPLAINED TO US WHEN WE BROUGHT TO US WHEN GREG RAMEY WAS HERE ABOUT THIS NEED THAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING. SO I'LL LET YOU CONTINUE TALKING ABOUT THAT.

BUT I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT AND WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT PUTTING IT NEXT YEAR OR THE YEAR AFTER.

WE'VE STILL GOT INFRASTRUCTURE WE STILL GOT TO COMPLETE TO GET TO THE PARK BEFORE WE CAN EVEN GET IT THERE. YEAH, YEAH. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE. BUT YES, YOU BRING UP A VERY VALID POINT TO BRING THAT UP AND TO LET THAT PUBLIC KNOW FOR THE RESIDENTS UP IN THE REDBIRD EDITION THAT THIS IS COMING, THAT WE ARE RELOCATING THIS TOWER FROM THERE TO HERE.

AND IT ALSO BY DOING THE RELOCATION TO THAT REDBIRD PARK NORTH MAIN PUMP STATION WILL RUN MORE EFFICIENTLY, WHICH WILL SAVE ON ENERGY COST. WE HAVE DONE SOME CREATIVE PIPING AND VALVING AND CONTROLLING OF THE ELEVATED TANK TO INCREASE OR DECREASE OUR ENERGY USE, BUT BY MOVING IT UP THERE, WE'LL ALSO DECREASE IT TOO, BECAUSE IT WILL RUN MORE EFFICIENTLY. SO I'VE TALKED IN THE PARK, IN THE PARK AT THE END OF IT, IT'S NOT. I'M JUST LOOKING AT IF IT'S NOT COMPLETELY IN DALLAS. I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A WATER TOWER RIGHT SMACK IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PARK LIKE A WAREHOUSE. WE'RE LOOKING AT MOVING IT TO ONE SIDE OF THE PARK TOWARDS THE WEST, JUST A LITTLE BIT. AND YEAH, SO THERE'S HUGE VACANT LOT NEXT TO THE PARK. IS WOULD THAT BE AN OPTION? I'M NOT SURE WHICH LOT YOU'RE TALKING TO. THE EAST OF THE PARK. IDEALLY, THE WATER MASTER PLAN WILL HELP US WITH. IT'S EAST OF THE PARK. THAT'S RESIDENTIAL. THAT'S COMMERCIAL

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RIGHT? IS IN IT. BUT GETTING BUT GETTING THE PIPELINE AND EVERYTHING OVER THERE TO IT. WE WERE LOOKING AT PUTTING IT ON THIS SIDE RIGHT HERE BECAUSE WE'RE WE HAVE 12 ALREADY ACROSS TO THE EDGE OF THE PARK, AND WE'RE GOING TO BRING IT 12 ACROSS. FINISH THE 12 IS CROSSING 20, BUT WE'LL SEE IN THE PARK. WHAT DO YOU ESTIMATE. WHAT DO YOU ESTIMATE THE FOOTPRINT IN THE AREA. AND YOU GUYS ARE IN THE WEEDS FOR 30 ZERO ZERO ZERO FOOT CONVERSATION. YEAH. HERE WE ARE. YEAH, YEAH. IT'S WELL, YOU SEE THE RESULTS UP THERE RIGHT. WELL THAT'S ALL RIGHT. BUT WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO YOU. THE WATER MASTER PLAN WILL REALLY, I PROMISE, WILL HELP WITH ALL WE'RE LOOKING AT. PROBABLY A 60 BY 60 FOOTPRINT FOR THE TOWER ITSELF. AND WE'RE STILL TWO YEARS AWAY FROM IT, AT LEAST. YEAH, OR MORE NOW, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE WATER MASTER PLAN WON'T BE DONE UNTIL 25. YOU'RE REALLY TALKING PROBABLY 3 OR 4, 3 OR 4 YEARS TO GET INTO DESIGN FOR. YEAH. SO LIKE I SAID, WE'VE STILL GOT TO GET INFRASTRUCTURE TO IT FIRST. AND I KNEW THAT YOU GUYS DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION AGAIN. AGAIN, IT WAS A QUESTION, JUST A CONVERSATION TO EXPOSE YOU TO IT. SO JUST CURIOUS, WHAT DID YOU THINK OF THE OVERLAY OVERLAY ON CEDAR BRIDGE? SHOULD WE DO MORE OF THAT? DID YOU LIKE THE OVERLAY THAT WAS DONE? HOW LONG DOES THAT LAST BEFORE IT STARTS TO START TO SHOW? HOW LONG DOES IT LAST? THE LET ME TELL YOU HOW SHE HAD EXPLAINED TO ME. SHE WOULD NEVER SAY TO YOU. SO I'M GOING TO SAY IT. SHE'S LIKE, YEP, YOU PUT LIPSTICK ON A PIG.

SO. HOW LONG DOES THE LIPSTICK LOOK LIKE? LIPSTICK BEFORE IT LOOKS LIKE THE JOKER? YEAH. SO I'M GOING TO SAY THAT WE WANT TO AVOID THE OVERLAY COMPLETELY. WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS I MEAN, THIS IS BASICALLY NOT EVEN AN OVERLAY PROPERLY. WE WANT TO AVOID OVERLAY FIRST, BUT THIS IS NOT EVEN AN OVERLAY. THIS IS WHAT IS THIS IS WHAT'S CALLED MICRO SURFACING. AND WHAT MICRO SURFACING IS, IS MEANT TO BE ON ON A PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE ON GOOD CONDITION STREETS. SO BASICALLY JUST TO EXTEND THEIR LIFE AND KEEP THEM GOOD, THAT'S REALLY THE CONCEPT OF DOING MICRO SURFACING. SO THESE WHEN MICRO SURFACING GOES ON A VERY DETERIORATED, YOU KNOW, POOR CONDITION STREETS LIKE CEDAR RIDGE IS A LIPSTICK ON THE BIG, YOU KNOW, KIND OF SOLUTION BECAUSE WE WANT AT SOME POINT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO RECONSTRUCT IT ANYWAY BECAUSE THESE ARE UP TO FIVE YEARS KIND OF TREATMENT TYPE. YEAH. SO IT'S USUALLY AN EXTENSION OF A LIFE OF A PAVEMENT FOR UP TO FIVE YEARS. SO EVERY FIVE YEARS WE KIND OF HAVE TO GO BACK AND REDO THIS ON GOOD STREETS. BUT DOING IT ON A BAD STREET DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACT THAT THE UNDERNEATH, YOU KNOW, OR THE SUBBASE AND THE BASE OF THAT PAVEMENT IS IN A VERY POOR CONDITION TO WHERE AT SOME POINT IT'S STILL GOING TO NEED RECONSTRUCTION. WE SO WHAT THIS DOES TO AND SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND IS THAT WHEN YOU PUT IT ON A, ON A POOR PAVEMENT, IT DOES KIND OF GIVE A FALSE DATA. WHEN YOU DO DATA COLLECTION ABOUT THE HEALTH OF THE PAVEMENT, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO MAKE IT FEEL LIKE IT'S A 95 OR, OR A OR 100%, YOU KNOW, ON ITS PCI. WHILE IT'S ACTUALLY NOT AT ALL, IT'S A VERY THIN LAYER ON TOP. SO THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO AVOID THOSE SITUATIONS AS WELL. IT IT REALLY IS THAT IT JUST GOES ON. SO CITY MANAGER SO I PUT YES BECAUSE I LIKE HOW IT LOOKS RIGHT NOW. BUT YOU KNOW SO BUT WHEN IT DOES START TO SHOW AND IT IS GOING TO AND THE RIDE ON IT WON'T BE VERY SMOOTH. YOU WILL FEEL THAT ANYWAY EVEN IF IT LOOKS GOOD FROM THE TOP. BUT YEAH, BUT AGAIN THIS IS SOMETHING WE WANT TO IMPROVE ON ON THE FUTURE.

THAT'S WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IS PART OF THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSION RIGHT. TREATMENT IN THE RIGHT PLACE IN THE RIGHT TIME IS BASICALLY ASSOCIATING THOSE MICRO SURFACING FUNDS OR PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE FUNDS, BECAUSE WE STILL WANT TO DO THA. THIS IS GREAT FOR THE CITY, BUT WE WANT TO DO THEM IN THE RIGHT PLACE, AND WE WANT TO DO MAYBE A MILL, AN OVERLAY ON CEDAR RIDGE INSTEAD OF COMPLETE RECONSTRUCTION. IF WE CANNOT ACHIEVE RECONSTRUCTION, BUT RECONSTRUCTION ULTIMATELY IS THE CASE WHEN WE KEEP DOING WORST FIRST AND WE'RE GOING TO JUST INCREASE RECONSTRUCTION. AND AGAIN, THE DOLLAR OF COMPARISON FOR RECONSTRUCTION VERSUS AN OVERLAY OR A MICRO SURFACING IS HUGE DIFFERENCE. AND THERE IS A TENDENCY OF THESE MATERIALS

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ABSOLUTELY. BECAUSE IT'S NEEDED. RIGHT. SO I CAN ASSUME THAT FROM MIDDAY SOUTH, IT'S THE SAME CONDITIONS UNDER THERE. AND THIS WELL, THIS IS A GOOD TEMPORARY FIX. AT SOME POINT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT A BOND PACKAGE TO CONTINUE THAT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO ABSOLUTELY. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. AND THERE I MEAN, SO I ALSO JUST READ FROM THE BOND COMMITTEE HAD RECOMMENDED BETWEEN DANIEL, I MEAN, WHEATLAND AND BIG STONE GAP ORIGINALLY FOR THAT. I MEAN, I THINK IT WAS A WISE DECISION TO MOVE IT BECAUSE I DO LIKE IT THE SAME WAY. JEREMY IS. IT'S THERE.

IT'S AT LEAST WELL MARKED. I'VE HAD PEOPLE THAT BUT BUT I ALSO I WILL SAY THAT IT CAUGHT ME OFF GUARD BECAUSE I GOT CALLS ABOUT LIKE WHAT'S GOING ON, WHAT'S GOING ON. BECAUSE THERE WERE SEVERAL DELAYS IN REALLY TAKING IT DOWN. YEAH. SO YEAH. SO, YOU KNOW, AS INSOFAR AS IT'S NEEDED, I MEAN, IF IT'S EVER SEEN, WELL, OKAY, THIS IS NEEDED AND THIS IS, THIS WILL BE, THIS IS A GOOD TEMPORARY SOLUTION TO A PROBLEM RIGHT NOW. BUT FOR IT TO BE SOMEWHERE WHERE IT MAY OR MAY NOT BE NEEDED BECAUSE, I MEAN, I CAN ALREADY HEAR YOU KNOW, IF I'M STILL ON HERE A FEW YEARS FROM NOW AND Y'ALL PUT THAT AND THAT, THAT WAS WHY DID Y'ALL DO THAT? YOU KNOW THAT WAS JUST A TERRIBLE JOB THE CITY DID ON THAT STREET, YOU KNOW, AND, YOU KNOW, NOT UNDERSTANDING WHY IT WAS DONE. SO AGAIN, IF IT'S NOT ABSOLUTELY NEEDED, I, I'M ALL I'M ALMOST SAYING, HEY, LET'S JUST WAIT UNTIL WE GET IT TO DO IT RIGHT, YOU KNOW, AND THEN A LOT OF A LOT OF ONE OF THE OTHER PERSPECTIVES THAT MIGHT BE OUT THERE BY DOING THIS IS THAT MAYBE THE PUBLIC, SOME OF THEM MIGHT NOT HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO KNOW THAT, OKAY, THIS IS REALLY IS A TEMPORARY SOLUTION WHERE THEY KIND OF FEEL LIKE, OKAY, IF YOU'RE COMING IN FIVE YEARS, EVEN IF IN FIVE YEARS OR IN THREE YEARS AND REDOING CEDAR RIDGE OR YOU'RE JUST OR EVEN YOU KNOW, THE UPCOMING PORTION OF WORK THAT WE HAVE NEXT YEAR, PEOPLE MIGHT THINK, OKAY, SO ARE YOU JUST TEARING APART WHAT YOU JUST DID? YOU KNOW, AND YOU'RE YOU'RE WASTING THE CITY'S MONEY, ETC? BUT THAT'S NOT THE CASE HERE. WE WANT TO JUST EXPLAIN THAT THAT WE ARE THIS IS NOT A PERMANENT SOLUTION TO THIS KIND OF PROBLEM. THE PROBLEM IS BIGGER THAN THIS. AND THIS HAS BEEN DONE. IS IT JUST VERY TEMPORARY SOLUTION AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE BEST SOLUTION TO THAT LOCATION. WELL, ALL THIS SAID, I AGREE. HOWEVER, I WAS RECEIVING A PHONE CALL A COUPLE TIMES A WEEK FROM A VERY PASSIONATE CITIZEN ABOUT CEDAR RIDGE AND HOW IT LOOKED AND HOW IT WOULDN'T HAVE LOOKED THIS WAY TEN YEARS AGO, BUT BECAUSE OF THE CURRENT DEMOGRAPHICS OF THE CITY THAT IT LOOKS THIS WAY NOW AND HAD THE CONVERSATION OF, WELL, WOULD YOU BECAUSE THAT'S A BOND PROJECT, WOULD YOU RATHER JUST CAN WE ENDURE UNTIL WE'RE ABLE TO WORK ON THE BOND PROJECT? BECAUSE I DON'T SEE THE POINT IN DOING THIS AND THEN HAVING TO GO IN AND BUST IT UP TO DO THE CONSTRUCTION, BUT THE CITIZEN WOULD WAS VERY HAPPY TO SEE THIS, KNOWING WHAT WE'RE PLANNING TO DO IN THE FUTURE. SO RETURN BACK FROM VACATION. AND THE CITIZEN LEFT A MESSAGE.

THANK YOU. SINGING THE PRAISES FOR THE COUNCIL AND GETTING IT DONE. I'M LIKE, THIS WAS CITY, BUT SO I'M KIND OF YEAH, ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ARGUMENT. BUT THAT'S WHAT I HAD TO ENDURE. BUT THE MAYOR MENTIONED IT AND SO DOES THE RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT. RIGHT. IT'S ALSO THE UNDERGROUND UTILITIES. THERE'S A LOT MORE. AND ACTUALLY YOU CAN SEE IT IF YOU PULL UP ON CAMP WISDOM AND

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THE BASIS FOR OUR NEW 15 YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. AND DAVID, I DON'T HAVE MY GLASSES ON. CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT THE LONG TERM SAYS DOWN THERE? THAT'S CITY HALL EXPANSION.

RENOVATION 103 RENOVATIONS, NEW LIBRARY, LIBRARY RENOVATION, SENIOR CENTER RENOVATION. SO THOSE ARE ALL THE THINGS THAT WILL KIND OF PUT NOT TO IGNORE THEM. THEY'RE ALL IMPORTANT IN THEIR OWN REGARD, BUT THOSE GO ON THAT LONG TERM BIGGER BUCKET FOR AS WE GO THROUGH. BUT OUR PRIORITIES REALLY BECOME THE SERVICE CENTER, THE FIELDHOUSE, HVAC, THE FIELDHOUSE, KITCHEN UPGRADES, STATION TWO, THE GENERATOR FOR CITY HALL, PD. REPURPOSING THE TAX BUILDING.

OBVIOUSLY HARRINGTON PARK BOND ONE AND PHASE ONE AND TWO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT POLICE BUILDING. ARMY AND MASTER PLAN. THAT IS A LOT FOR TWO YEARS. AND SOME OF THAT I GUARANTEE IS GOING TO SPILL OVER INTO THAT MIDDLE BUCKET. BUT THAT'S AT LEAST A GREAT STARTING POINT FOR US TO REALLY FOCUS ON THOSE EFFORTS. OBVIOUSLY, THIRD FIRE STATION BEING IN THAT MIDDLE TERM BUCKET. THE OTHER CITY HALL RENOVATIONS, REC CENTER AND THEN HARRINGTON PARK PHASE TWO, WE HAVE TO IDENTIFY THE FUNDING. SO DID YOU GUYS ENJOY THE CONVERSATION AND THE DIALOG? IS IT HELPFUL, DO YOU THINK? I THINK IT WAS HELPFUL TO ME, AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE REST OF THE STAFF. ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD? SLEEP AGAIN, JUST KIND OF WHAT I'VE SEEN AND I'VE BEEN HERE 6 OR 7 YEARS, SO I DON'T KNOW. BUT A LOT OF THE. SITUATIONS, ISSUES MAYBE SOME OF YOU MIGHT REFER TO AS PROBLEMS, YOU KNOW, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, SEEM TO BE THE RESULT OF POOR PLANNING. AND AGAIN, I'M NOT BLAMING ANYBODY. I WASN'T HERE, BUT I APPRECIATE GIVING US THIS OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY PUT SOME KIND OF A PLAN IN PLACE AND TO BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE TO PEOPLE. I KNOW YOU DON'T SEE THIS NOW, BUT YOU KNOW, HERE'S WHERE WE'RE GOING. AND WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD REQUEST, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF US GETTING A PICTURE OF THIS, I KNEW YOU WERE GOING TO GET THIS. AND YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, A NICE, PRETTY FORMAT THAT WE CAN HAVE. AND ACTUALLY, YOU WOULDN'T WANT THIS FOR THE LONG TERM VERSION OF THIS. REMEMBER GOING BACK TO THAT, THAT I DON'T WANT TO LOOK TO IT. THAT CHART THAT SHOWED KIND OF THE HOUSE IN PHASE ONE.

EVENTUALLY THIS WILL BE A DOCUMENT, A BOUND DOCUMENT THAT WILL HAVE ALL THE DETAILS ASSOCIATED WITH EACH AND THE TIME FRAME AND WHY, AND WILL EVENTUALLY BRING THIS TO COUNCIL AFTER PUBLIC INPUT TO ACTUALLY VOTE AND ADOPT. GREAT. THANK YOU. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. MAYOR. SO, JILL, I'M GETTING THE PALM TREE. LOOK, WE CAN BRING IT BACK. OKAY. WELL, WITH THAT, THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR ENDURING THIS LONG. BUT IMPORTANT MEETING. AND WE ARE NOW ADJOURNED AT 9:49 P.M. THANK

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.