JUST SAYING. [00:00:03] YEAH. IN AN EFFORT TO KEEP US ON TIME WITH THIS MEETING SO THAT WE CAN TAKE A LUNCH OR DINNER [1. CALL TO ORDER] BREAK BETWEEN THIS AND THE NEXT MEETING, WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED. WE'VE GOT A QUORUM RIGHT NOW. HOPEFULLY THE OTHERS WILL BE IN SOON. SO AT THIS POINT, WE'RE GOING TO OPEN UP THE. DOUGLASVILLE CITY COUNCIL BUDGET WORKSHOP. THURSDAY, AUGUST 15TH, 2024 AT 4:01 P.M.. [2. RECEIVE PUBLIC COMMENTS] THAT WE HAVE A COMMENT. I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED THE ONE FOR EMAIL AND MISS SIEBERT HAS TO READ THIS. NO. YES. SO WE HAVE WE HAVE RECEIVED ONE COMMENT BY EMAIL. SO THAT WILL BE RECORDED. AND THEN WE HAVE ONE COMMENT FROM MISS PATRICIA EBERT. OKAY, I DON'T HAVE THE NOTES HERE FOR THE TYPICAL, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE OUR STANDARD. IT'S GOING TO BE OUR STANDARD RULES FOR RECEIVING PUBLIC COMMENTS, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A TWO MINUTE LIMIT AND NAME STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, AND THERE WILL BE NO FOLLOW UP OR RESPONSES TO THE COMMENTS BEING MADE. SO WITH THAT, WE HAVE ONE PUBLIC COMMENT. MISS SEAVER. YES. PATRICIA EBERT 115 SOUTH GREEN STONE 75116. AND YOU ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT MONEY. I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT MONEY. SO TWO QUICK READS. ONE IS WHERE DO I FIND HOW MUCH MONEY IS ALLOCATED FOR THE 1% MERIT INCREASE RAISE FOR THE EMPLOYEES, AND THEN WHERE IS A WRITTEN CRITERIA FOR THAT. AND THEN THE SECOND ONE IS I WANT SOME MONEY IN THE BUDGET FOR WHAT I ASKED FOR IN APRIL, AND THAT IS ONE MORE ADDITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE OFFICER, SO THAT WE HAVE A TOTAL OF SIX, BECAUSE WE REALLY KNOW WE NEED TO CLEAN UP THE TOWN AND WE NEED A LITTLE EXTRA HELP. AND WITH THE PASSING OF THE ALTERNATIVE WORK SCHEDULE, A LOT OF THE EMPLOYEES ARE WORKING FOUR TENS, THOSE WHO CAN'T WORK REMOTELY. AND THAT WOULD, I THINK, WOULD FREE UP A TRUCK, AND SO THAT WE COULD HAVE ONE EXTRA NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE OFFICER AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE THAT. I'M THINKING THAT EXPENSE OF HIGHER OF HAVING TO BUY ANOTHER TRUCK, AND IT WOULD BE NICE IF ONE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE OFFICERS COULD ROTATE THROUGH AND WORK ON A SATURDAY BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST GARAGE SALES THAT GO ON IN OUR TOWN ON SATURDAYS. OUR BUSINESSES ARE OPEN ON SATURDAYS. AND YES, I KNOW THE DEVIL'S IN THE DETAILS. WE'D HAVE TO BUY THEM A BULLETPROOF VEST AND THE EQUIPMENT, THE PHONE, THE COMPUTER, BECAUSE SUCH CHUMP CHANGE COMPARED TO THE SALARY AND THE BENEFITS. AND WE REALLY NEED THE ADDITIONAL HELP. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT WOULD BE ALL OF OUR CITIZENS INPUT FOR THIS SESSION. AND NEXT WE'LL MOVE RIGHT INTO REPORTS. [3.A. Present, discuss, and deliberate all revenues, expenditures, and projects for the Fiscal Year (FY) 2024-2025 Proposed Annual Budget and the FY 2025 Five-Year Capital Improvement Plan (CIP). The City Council may direct staff to make additions, deletions, or corrections to the proposed budget and CIP projects per current and future goals.] ITEM EIGHT PRESENT DISCUSS AND DELIBERATE ALL REVENUES, EXPENDITURES AND PROJECTS FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2425. PROPOSED ANNUAL BUDGET AND FISCAL YEAR 2025 FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. THE CITY COUNCIL MAY DIRECT STAFF TO MAKE ADDITIONS, DELETIONS OR CORRECTIONS TO THE PROPOSED BUDGET AND CIP CFP PROJECTS FOR CURRENT AND FUTURE GOALS. LET'S START. SURE. YES, SIR. CITY MANAGER, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. SO THE BULK OF THE PRESENTATION THIS EVENING IS GOING TO COME FROM FINANCE DEPARTMENT. OUR CFO, RICHARD JACKSON AND BUDGET ADMINISTRATOR, WROTE AND PREPARED A PRESENTATION TO WALK THROUGH TO KIND OF STIMULATE SOME QUESTIONS. AND OBVIOUSLY, AS YOU AS YOU ALL HAVE QUESTIONS THE BUDGET ITSELF, WHAT I WOULD TELL YOU, THE 25 PROPOSED BUDGET IS A CHALLENGE. OBVIOUSLY BALANCING THE NEEDS OF EVERY DEPARTMENT WITH THE LIMITED REVENUES THAT WE HAVE COMING IN. SALARIES. I'M GLAD MISS EBERT STARTED THAT CONVERSATION. WHAT I WILL SHARE WITH YOU IS I'M HAVING DIFFICULTY RECRUITING OUR CITY TO PEOPLE TO FILL POSITIONS IN THE CITY OF DUNCANVILLE. COMPARED TO THE OTHER BEST SOUTHWEST CITIES. GENERALLY SPEAKING, EVEN THIS 25 BUDGET HAS 80 TO 85% OF THE EXPENDITURES OF WHAT OTHER COMPARABLE CITIES IN THE BEST SOUTHWEST HAVE FOR SALARIES FOR CERTAIN POSITIONS, HUMAN RESOURCES AND IT. [00:05:02] AND I GO INTO SPECIFICS. I HAVE SPECIFICS, BUT SO WE HAVE SOME REAL CHALLENGES AS WE TRY TO REALLY BALANCE IT OUT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, REVENUE AND EXPENDITURES. SO WITH THAT, I'LL LET RICHARD KIND OF TAKE THINGS AWAY AND THEN START TO WALK THROUGH SOME OF THE PRESENTATIONS. WE ALSO JUST TWO THINGS REAL QUICK. IF YOU REMEMBER, BACK ON APRIL 9TH, WE HELD A CIP PLANNING MEETING, AND THAT WAS REALLY THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THAT MEETING WAS TO PLAN FOR THIS BUDGET SPECIFICALLY. AND WHAT WE BELIEVE THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT YOU WANTED TO SEE FOR THIS BUDGET. WE ARE GOING TO BE ASKING YOU THIS FALL TO COME BACK SO THAT WE CAN DO A MULTI LONGER YEAR SO THAT WE CAN REALLY, AS WE LOOK AT NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET, DO THAT A LITTLE DIFFERENT AND START TO LOOK AT LONG TERM PLANNING. AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS YOU TOLD US VERY LOUD AND CLEAR PREVIOUSLY. YOU WANTED TO SEE SOME FOR TMRS, AND THEY'RE GOING TO PRESENT SOME OF THAT TO YOU THIS EVENING AS WELL. SO. MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. GOOD EVENING. RICHARD JACKSON, CFO. AGAIN, AS MR. FINCH HAD ALREADY ALLUDED TO, WE HAVE A PRESENTATION TO TALK ABOUT ALL FUNDS WITHIN THE PROPOSED BUDGET FOR THE 2425 FISCAL YEAR. JUST A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE PLAN TO COVER OVER THE COURSE OF OUR DISCUSSION HERE THIS EVENING. FIRST WE'RE GOING TO ASK MR. FINCH TO GIVE SOME STRATEGIC HIGHLIGHTS AS IT RELATES TO THE 25 BUDGET. NEXT, WE'LL HAVE MISS ODIE PRESENT ON SOME OF THE MRS OPTIONS IN TERMS OF YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL EXPENDITURES. AND AS IT RELATES TO THE CITY'S CONTRIBUTION THIRD ON THE LIST WILL RELATE SPECIFICALLY TO. THE GENERAL FUND, WHICH MISS OTEY AND MYSELF WILL COVER. WE WILL DISCUSS REVENUES, THE TAX RATE. AS WELL AS EXPENSES. WE'LL ALSO KIND OF PEEL BACK THE ONION A LITTLE BIT AS IT RELATED TO. SOME OF THE CHARTS THAT YOU ALL HAVE SEEN IN YOUR BUDGET BOOK. TO ZERO IN ON THE BREAKDOWN. AS IT RELATES TO CERTAIN EXPENDITURES FROM THERE, MISS OTEY WILL GO IN TO COVER THE UTILITY. FUND AND ALL OTHER FUNDS. AND AS MR. FINCH HAD ALREADY ALLUDED TO AS WELL, WE'LL HAVE A DISCUSSION AND A REVIEW OF SOME OF THE CIP. DISCUSSION THAT WE HAVE WITH THIS COUNCIL EARLIER IN THE YEAR. AND THEN FINALLY WRAPPING UP WITH THE. SPECIAL MEETING WITH THE VOTE ON THE TAX RATE. SO WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT BACK OVER TO MR.. DON'T GO TOO FAR BECAUSE I'LL BE SUPER BRIEF. I'VE TOUCHED ON SOME OF THIS. JUST REAL QUICK TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE. THE BUILDING NEEDS ASSESSMENT. I ACTUALLY HAVE SITTING ON MY DESK A DRAFT OF THAT. WE'LL HAVE THAT COMING TO YOU. IT WAS ORIGINALLY SUPPOSED TO BE DONE IN AUGUST. THERE'S SOME THINGS IN THAT, AS I'VE TALKED WITH SOME OF THE DIRECTORS THAT WE FEEL LIKE THEY DIDN'T GET QUITE RIGHT, SO WE WANT TO GO BACK TO THEM BEFORE THEY FINISH THINGS UP AND THEN PRESENT THAT TO YOU. JUST MAKING SURE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE SERVICE CENTER, THAT SOME OF IT MAKES SENSE IN TERMS OF, OF WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, BECAUSE WE HEARD FROM YOU THAT THAT WAS REALLY SOMETHING THAT YOU REALLY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD SOME GOOD INFORMATION. INTEL ON THE SERVICE CENTER ARMY. IT'S STILL IN THE WORKS. WE LITERALLY HAD TO FLIP FLOP EMI WITH LEAD SERVICE LINE INVENTORY AND REPLACEMENT. AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S A FEDERAL MANDATE THAT REQUIRES US TO HAVE THE LEAD SERVICE LINE INVENTORY DONE BY OCTOBER 16TH FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. WHAT WE ACTUALLY DISCOVERED IS THERE WAS A GRANT OPPORTUNITY, AS YOU KNOW, $21 MILLION. WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY BRIEF YOU NEXT TUESDAY. A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THAT. AND ESSENTIALLY WE HAD STATUTORILY FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS TO DO, INCLUDING GOING BACK AND REDOING A RFQ PROCESS THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY DONE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE QUALIFIED FOR THE GRANT MONEY. SO WE ACTUALLY HAD TO FOCUS OUR EFFORTS ON THAT. THEN WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK AND DO THE RFQ FOR THE ARMY. WE HAVEN'T FORGOT ABOUT IT. IT'S JUST WE HAD TO REVERSE THOSE TWO THINGS. THE SERVICE CENTER RENOVATION WE TALKED ABOUT A SECOND AGO, POLICE AND FIRE OPERATIONAL ANALYSIS THAT'S DUE IN OCTOBER. THAT'S STILL VERY MUCH ON TRACK. THE DOWNTOWN VISION, THE AMORTIZATION PLAN AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. YOU KNOW, WE'VE KICKED THAT OFF AS WELL AS THE LAB MASTER PLAN. AND THEN WE'VE HAD GENERAL CONVERSATIONS ABOUT SOME STRATEGIC PLANNING FOR THE FIELDHOUSE. SO UNLESS ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL LET THEM MOVE RIGHT INTO FINANCE DETAILS. SO JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT HERE TO TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAD THE PUBLIC TOWN HALL. GRANTED THERE WAS A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE THERE. SO IT DOESN'T REPRESENT THE ENTIRE CITY. BUT JUST SO YOU KNOW, KIND OF HOW THAT OUTCOME LOOKED LIKE IN TERMS OF WHAT THE PRIORITIES CAME TO BE. [00:10:03] SO ARTS AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WAS A NUMBER ONE PRIORITY, AS WELL AS CONTINUING WITH THE LAD NATURE PRESERVE. NUMBER TWO TIED FOR TWO AUTOMATED METERING AND THE DRAINAGE EROSION, MUNICIPAL UTILITY EASEMENTS. CREEKS. SO YOU KNOW, SOME OF THOSE LIKE MR. FRENCH SAID, WE ARE HEADING INTO THIS NEXT BUDGET OR PURSUING, YOU KNOW, PUSHING IT DOWN THE ROAD SO WE CAN GET THINGS, GET THINGS STARTED. SO WALKING INTO TALKING ABOUT TMS, I KNOW WE'VE HEARD FROM FROM YOU ALL THAT YOU WANT TO SEE SOMETHING WITH TEXAS MUNICIPAL RETIREMENT SYSTEM INCREASING THAT BENEFIT. WE'VE HAD TMS TIMORESE REPRESENTATIVES OUT HERE HAS BRIEFED YOU ON WHAT TIMORESE AND, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENT BENEFITS AND SUCH. SO JUST TO SHOW YOU KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW AND AS IT STATES IN THE BUDGET, WE DID NOT BUDGET FOR A BENEFIT ENHANCEMENT WITH TMRS. SO WHAT IS CURRENTLY IN THE BUDGET IS BASED ON OUR CURRENT OUR CURRENT BENEFITS. SO WHAT YOU'LL SEE HERE. AND I KIND OF BROKE IT OUT. SO IT WAS A LITTLE EASIER TO READ. BUT THIS IS BASED ON OUR CURRENT PROJECTION. IF WE DID NOTHING ELSE WITH OUR WITH OUR BENEFIT PLAN, KIND OF WHAT THAT BUDGET IMPACT WOULD LOOK LIKE AND KIND OF WHAT IT DOES TO OUR RATE. AND THEN JUST REALLY CARRYING OUT FOR THE NEXT EIGHT YEARS, SO WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE AND YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THIS DUPLICATED ON THE FOLLOWING SLIDE. SO YOU UNDERSTAND KIND OF WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT. SO IT SHOWS YOU WHAT THE RATE IS. THIS IS OUR PAYROLL CONTRIBUTION RATE. IT SHOWS YOU WHAT THE PROJECTED PAYROLL IS. AND THIS IS FROM TMRS IS NOT NECESSARILY THE CITY'S PROJECTION PRODUCTION, BUT TMS IS PROJECTING 22.7 5% PAYROLL GROWTH ON AVERAGE IN THEIR PROJECTIONS. THE ESTIMATED CONTRIBUTION LINE HERE IS WHAT THE CITY IS PAYING ACROSS ALL FUNDS FOR THE TMS BENEFITS THAT WE HAVE. AND THEN I PUT IN HERE THE BUDGET IMPACT IF IT'S UP OR DOWN. SO SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND WHEN IT COMES TO TMS, WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN A CERTAIN LEVEL OF BENEFIT. AND THEN AS THE YEARS, YOU KNOW, GO ON AND THE RATES AS YOU SEE THERE, AND WITH THE PAYROLL GROWTH THAT'S ALSO OCCURRING, WE'RE ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, ADDING TO THE BUDGET IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THE BENEFITS. SO THIS IS JUST ASSUMING NO OTHER CHANGES IN THE FUTURE HERE. SO WHAT OUR BENEFIT PACKAGE CURRENTLY IS WE DON'T HAVE UPDATED SERVICE CREDITS, WHICH IS REALLY AN EMPLOYEE ONLY BENEFIT THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU START, YOU KNOW, YOUR SALARY HERE AND YOU WORK 20 YEARS AND YOU WORKED UP HERE. THIS UPDATE SERVICE CREDITS REALLY DOES KIND OF LIKE A PROJECTION. SO WHEN YOU DO GET TO RETIREMENT, IT ASSUMES KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU'VE BEEN MAKING THAT SAME RATE OF PAY FOR THE DURATION OF YOUR TENURE. SO IT'S A BENEFIT TO EMPLOYEES AT RETIREMENT. AND THEN THE COLA, OF COURSE, IS THE ANNUITY FOR RETIREES. OKAY. SO THE FIRST OPTION I JUST WANTED TO SHOW YOU FROM A COST PERSPECTIVE. SO THE MINIMUM BENEFIT FOR TMS IS A WE CALL IT A REPEATING UPDATED SERVICE CREDIT AND A REPEATING COLA. THE LOWEST BENEFIT LEVEL IS A 50% UPDATED SERVICE CREDIT. IT GOES 50, 75 AND 100%. AND THEN ON THE RETIREE ANNUITY IT GOES 30%, 50%, 70%. AND THAT'S REALLY THE COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT BASED ON WHEN THEY RETIRED AND THE CPI INCREASES. AND THERE'S A LONG COMPLICATED FORMULA INTO THAT. BUT IT'S A PERCENTAGE OF THOSE CPI INCREASES. SO WHAT THIS SHOWS YOU IF WE WERE JUST TO SAY, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GO FULL OUT, WE'RE GOING TO GO TO THE LOWEST BENEFIT LEVEL ON A RECURRING BASIS. THAT IMPACTS THE BUDGET FOR ALL FUNDS BASED ON THEIR PROJECTION WOULD BE $1.2 MILLION. AND TO SAY AGAIN, AS I SAID BEFORE, THAT WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN THAT LEVEL OF BENEFIT. AND THEN AS THE YEARS GO ON WITH THE PAYROLL GROWTH, YOU KNOW, CONTINUING THAT LEVEL OF BENEFIT. OF COURSE, THE BUDGET, YOU KNOW, CONTINUES TO GROW. TO MAINTAIN THAT BENEFIT, TO SHOW YOU THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF BENEFIT, WHICH WE DID ONCE UPON A TIME, HAVE BACK IN 2008. IS 100% UPDATED SERVICE CREDIT AND 70% COLAS. SO AGAIN, AS I SHOWED YOU WITH THAT BUDGET IMPACT, IF WE WERE TO SAY, HEY, LET'S JUST GET IT OUT OF THE WAY, WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, IT WOULD COST 3.1 MILLION BASED ON OUR CURRENT PAYROLL AND THEN AGAIN, HAVING TO MAINTAIN THAT RATE. MOVING FORWARD. SO THIS OPTION. I'M SORRY. OPTION NUMBER ONE WITH THE MINIMUM AND THEN OPTION NUMBER TWO. THAT'S A PRETTY BIG CHUNK OF OBVIOUSLY FUNDS TO TRY TO HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, PAY FOR IN THE FIRST YEAR. SO ANOTHER OPTION FOR US TO CONSIDER THAT MAY BE A LITTLE MORE BUDGET FRIENDLY. THAT WORKS TOWARDS OUR ULTIMATE GOAL, OUR ULTIMATE GOAL TO BE COMPETITIVE IN THIS ENVIRONMENT IN OTHER CITIES. THIS IS THE BENEFIT PACKAGE THAT THEY HAVE AND OFFER TO THEIR EMPLOYEES FOR THEM. JUST TO MAYBE WORK OUR WAY UP TO IT SO, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN DO ANY OF THE PERCENT, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WE ARE ABLE TO DO 1%, 2%, WHATEVER. SO I JUST CHOSE 2%. SO EVERY YEAR, ADDING 2% TO THE RATE IN WHICH WE PAY TO MRS, THAT WORKS OUR WAY UP. [00:15:07] SO IN THREE YEARS WE WOULD HIT THE MINIMUM BENEFIT OF 5030. AND THEN BY 2031, WE'D BE ABLE TO HIT THE 100% AND 70%. SO THE BUDGET IMPACT IS ABOUT 500,000 BASED ON THEIR ESTIMATE EACH YEAR THAT WE'RE ADDING TO THE BUDGET IN ORDER TO GET TO THIS POINT. SO I'LL RIGHT THERE. KIND OF. ANY THOUGHTS TO THAT? WE'RE NOT HAVING TO NECESSARILY FIGURE THIS OUT OR HAVE AN ANSWER TODAY, BUT YOU'RE SAYING THIS IS ANOTHER OPTION OF HOW WE CAN GET THERE THAT ISN'T JUST, YOU KNOW, RIGHT AWAY HAVING TO TO PUT THE BURDEN ON FULL FORCE ON THE BUDGET. WE COULD WORK OUR WAY UP TO IT. AND YOU MENTIONED ONE ASPECT OF IT IS RETENTION, BUT IT'S ALSO GOOD TO HAVE SOME FORM OF THIS WHEN WE'RE REACHING OUT AND TRYING TO HIRE PEOPLE, WHEN WE'RE COMPETING WITH OTHER CITIES IN THE METROPLEX THAT ARE OFFERING MAYBE SOMETIMES A BETTER PACKAGE, BUT AT LEAST WE'RE OFFERING SOMETHING. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. I MEAN, WE'RE CERTAINLY OFFERING SOMETHING. I MEAN, WE'RE A 2 TO 1 MATCH. THAT IS THE HIGHEST LEVEL THAT WE CAN BE. SO, YOU KNOW, THEY PUT IN 7%. THE CITY, YOU KNOW, IS 2 TO 1 TO THAT. SO WHEN THEY RETIRE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GETTING THEIR PORTION AS WELL AS THAT 2 TO 1 MATCH. BUT WHAT'S NOT IN THE BENEFIT PACKAGE, LIKE I SAID, IS THE UPDATED SERVICE CREDITS THAT YOU MAY OR MAY NOT IMPACT EVERY EMPLOYEE TO THE SAME DEGREE, AND THEN KNOWING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET A COLA ONCE YOU RETIRE, YOU KNOW, FROM HERE AS WELL. BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, SO ALL THE OTHER CITIES IN THE SOUTHWEST, THE FOUR PRIMARY, THE OTHER THREE ARE ALL AUTOMATIC REOCCURRING. AND SO SOMEBODY THAT WE'RE REALLY IN A COMPETITIVE SITUATION THAT WE'RE TRYING TO RECRUIT, THEY'RE LOOKING AT AN AUTOMATIC RECURRING WITH THE OTHER THREE SOUTHWEST CITIES AND WHATNOT. WE'VE DONE AD HOCS, OF COURSE, IN THE PAST. AND, YOU KNOW, THAT IS FEASIBLE THAT YOU COULD DO ANOTHER AD HOC. BUT THE CHALLENGE WITH THAT IS, IS THAT THE LONG TERM EFFECT OF THAT, IT COSTS MORE. NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, IT'S A RED FLAG ON OUR FINANCIAL STATEMENTS, BECAUSE WHEN YOU DO IT WITHIN FIVE YEARS, DOING MULTIPLE YEARS OF IT, YOU KNOW, IT PUTS US IN A HIGHER LIABILITY, YOU KNOW, STANDPOINT. AND THAT'S HOW WE HAVE TO RECORD IT AS IF WE WERE RECURRING. SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT FACTORS WHY THEY DON'T SAY DON'T DO AD HOCS BACK TO BACK TO DO ONE TIME. COULD WE DO 5030 AND THEN DO A 2% INCREMENT, BECOME LIKE A HYBRID BETWEEN THE TWO AND GET US TO THE 170 QUICKER? I MEAN, WE COULD DO ANY KIND OF COMBINATION OF THIS. IT'S JUST SHOWING KIND OF AN EXAMPLE. SO IF YOU WANTED TO YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST GOING TO DO THE 1.2 MILLION WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT KIND OF THING AND THEN WORK OUR WAY UP FROM THERE. 1% AT A TIME OR 2% AT A TIME. WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT. IT JUST DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH THAT YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH, YOU KNOW, PUTTING INTO THE BUDGET, KNOWING THAT IT'S NOT JUST A ONE YEAR SNAPSHOT. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAINTAIN THAT LEVEL AND BE ABLE TO SUSTAIN THAT WITH, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER OTHER CHALLENGES MAY COME OUR WAY AND WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, NEEDS ARE OUT THERE FOR, YOU KNOW, OUR LIMITED REVENUE. SO IT'S JUST KIND OF WEIGHING THE PROS AND CONS OF THE DECISION. SO, SO THIS IS. LISTEN, THIS IS OUTSIDE OF ANY CONVERSATION ABOUT MERIT INCREASES OR SIX MONTH OR ANNUAL RAISES. THIS IS BASICALLY TWO THINGS TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH INFLATION AND HELP OUT, AND ALSO TO COMPETE WITH THE SURROUNDING CITIES, NOT JUST IN IN THE BEST SOUTHWEST CITIES, ALTHOUGH I REALIZE THAT'S WHAT'S REALLY FACING US. BUT I KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO GET SOMEBODY FROM NORTH RICHLAND HILLS OR FROM RICHARDSON AND THEY'RE SERIOUSLY THINKING AND LOOKING DOWN HERE, THIS CAN BE THE DEAL BREAKER RIGHT HERE IN A LOT OF CASES. SOMETIMES THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT. SOMETIMES THERE ISN'T. BUT IT'S CERTAINLY WORTH TAKING A DEEP DIVE. YES, SIR. I WAS JUST A FEW STATEMENTS. ONE IS OBVIOUSLY I WOULD LOVE TO GET TO THE 100% RECURRING AND AS MUCH COOLER AS WE CAN GET. BUT FOR MYSELF, AS AN EXAMPLE, I'VE BEEN DOING A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH WITH MY DAUGHTER, BECAUSE WE DON'T GET A COST OF LIVING ALLOWANCE FROM THE CITY OF DALLAS, RIGHT? SO SAME PAYCHECK I'M GETTING. TODAY I'M GOING TO GET TEN YEARS FROM NOW. 20 YEARS FROM NOW, WHICH IT AIN'T GOING TO MAKE IT. SO ANYWAY, WE GOT ONLINE, MY DAUGHTER AND I AND THE WEB, THIS PARTICULAR WEBSITE, HER SERIES IS BANKRATE.COM, RIGHT. AND SO I SAID, I WANT TO I WANT TO KNOW HOW MUCH THE COST OF LIVING ALLOWANCE SOCIAL SECURITY GIVES HAS GIVEN IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS. RIGHT. AND SO IT GAVE ME TENURE. BUT ANYWAY, OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS, IT TOTALS OUT TO ABOUT 20%. SO IN 2018 IT WAS 2.8. 2019 1.61.3 AND 20 2021 5.9. [00:20:04] AND IN 2022 IT WAS 8.7 INCREASE. SO IF WE'RE ONLY DOING 2%, WE'RE NOT EVEN GOING TO I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO BE BEHIND STILL. AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S A BUDGET AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S A LOT OF MONEY. BUT AGAIN THE RECRUITING RETENTION, TENSION IS GOING TO BE TOUGH. BUT BUT THANKS FOR DOING ALL THAT AND GIVING US AT LEAST THE OPTIONS OF SOMETHING TO LOOK AT. YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT TOO. NOW LET ME ASK YOU A QUICK QUESTION. WE TALKED ABOUT COMPETING WITH THREE CITIES. I ASSUME WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LANCASTER, DESOTO AND CEDAR HILL, AND THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING. AND RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING. WHEN WE SAY THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING, WHAT ON AVERAGE ARE THEY DOING? ARE THEY DOING THE 50%? 100%? WHAT ARE THEY DOING? THEY'RE DOING THEY'RE AT THE MAX LEVEL, AND IT'S AUTOMATIC. AND TO YOUR POINT, MAYOR, IT'S IT'S REALLY 30 CITIES AROUND HERE THAT WE'RE COMPETING. YEAH. YOU KNOW, THE THING THE THING. I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO FAR INTO THE WEEDS. BUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THIS ALL THE TIME, WHEN WHEN IT COMES TO CONVINCING PEOPLE TO COME ACROSS THE TRINITY, IF YOU ALREADY HAVE AN OBSTACLE, AND I THINK THE BEST SOUTHWEST CITIES ARE WORKING TO CHANGE THAT. AND THERE'S A LOT OF INVESTMENT GOING ON DOWN HERE, SO IT'S BECOMING MORE ATTRACTIVE. BUT WE STILL HAVE THAT LITTLE BIT OF A MINDSET. YOU KNOW, IF I CAN GO TO THIS CITY, THEY'RE PAYING 100%. BUT IF I COME TO DUNCANVILLE, THEY'RE PAYING 50%. THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE A NO BRAINER FOR THEM TO GO THERE. I KNOW WE CAN'T WE CAN'T FILL ALL THE GAPS. WE CAN'T. BUT THIS CONVERSATION RIGHT HERE IS THE BEGINNING OF TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A GOOD PLACE FOR US AND DOING A RATE INCREASE, WHATEVER THAT INCREMENT MIGHT BE. I MEAN, IT ONLY BENEFITS TO IN TERMS OF OUR ASSETS TOO. SO BY THE TIME WE GET TO THERE, I MEAN, WE HAVE THEY USUALLY HAVE LIKE A FUNDING RATIO OR SOMETHING. WE'LL REACH THAT SOONER THAN LATER EVEN JUST CONTRIBUTING MORE. SO SO KEEP IT IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND AS WE WALK THROUGH THIS. I MEAN, JUST WHILE WE'RE HERE AND IT'S FRESH ON EVERYBODY'S MIND, IS THERE A GENERAL CONSENSUS AND DIRECTION YOU WANT TO GIVE US TO RUN SOME NUMBERS? WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE US COME BACK WITH THE 50 OVER 30 OR THE STAGGERED OR THE WHOLE THING? I MEAN, JUST SO THAT WE CAN BRING YOU BACK SOMETHING THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE. I'D LIKE TO SEE THE 50. AND THEN I ASSUME THAT'LL GET US TO THE MUCH QUICKER TO THE 1% WITH THE 2% AFTER THAT, JUST TO SEE HOW THAT WORKS OUT. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO AS THE STAGGERED, RIGHT. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. THAT'S THAT'S WHY I'D BE MORE INCLINED PLANE AS WELL. MR. KUNZ, ANY THOUGHTS? I THINK WITH MOST PEOPLE, IT'S JUST SEEING THAT THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT THERE IS SOME KIND OF CAREER OPPORTUNITY IN THERE. WELL, IN THIS CASE, FINANCIAL OR, YOU KNOW, RETIREMENT. SO I THINK IT'S JUST. YEAH, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE GOOD TO MANIPULATE TO TRY TO GET THERE AS FAST AS WE I ENDED UP LAST YEAR ASKING THAT WE RECORD OUR AT THIS POINT IN TIME THAT WE RECORD OUR CONSENSUS VOTE. AND I FAILED TO DO THAT THE LAST TIME I ASKED FOR CONSENSUS. SO I DIDN'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET ALL LIFELIKE BOBBLEHEADS MADE SO WE CAN GET THAT COUNT. BUT IN LIEU OF THAT CAN WE ACTUALLY RECORD THOSE THAT ARE FAVORABLE IN TERMS OF THIS CONSENSUS TO THIS QUESTION, THE MAYOR AND THE CITY MANAGER JUST ASKED. ME TO COUNCILMAN COUNCILWOMAN HOW WE CAN INCORPORATE A STAGGERED. YES, WE'RE CALLING IT STAGGERED. YES. SOUNDS GOOD. YES. I'M JUST FOR CLARIFICATION. GOING BACK TO COUNCIL MEMBER BAKER'S COMMENT STARTING WITH THE 5030 AND THEN STAGGER ABOVE THAT. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE RIGHT. YES. OKAY. AND SO SO WE HAVE THE NAMES HERE. COUNCILMAN JERRY BROWN, COUNCILWOMAN JERRY BROWN, COUNCILMAN KYLE PENNEBAKER AND VERA CRUZ. MR. COLLINS. OKAY, SO IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A UNANIMOUS CONSENSUS TO GO THAT ROUTE. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO MOVING ON FROM CAMERAS TO KIND OF GET THAT OUT OF THE WAY. SO OKAY, NOW WE'RE JUST GOING TO GO RIGHT ON INTO ALL THE BUDGET. WE'RE GOING TO START JUST KIND OF A BIRD'S EYE VIEW THE 50,000 FOOT LEVEL. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO START ZOOMING RIGHT ON IN. SO LOOKING AT THE ALL FUNDS SUMMARY HERE RESOURCES BY TYPE 98 MILLION IN REVENUE. OBVIOUSLY THE 50% OF THAT IS THE GENERAL OPERATION, WHICH IS DEBT AND GENERAL FUND. [00:25:03] 34% OF THAT IS ENTERPRISE OR OUR UTILITY TYPE FUNDS. 8% OF THAT IS THE SPECIAL USE SPECIFIC USE TYPE REVENUE FUNDS AND THEN CIP. AND THEN ON THE EXPENSE SIDE, 97 MILLION PROJECTED EXPENSES. 43% OF THAT IS THE GENERAL 30% IS ON THE ENTERPRISE SIDE, 12% SPECIAL USE AND THEN 50% ON THE CAPITAL. OKAY. SO I'M GOING TO START TALKING ABOUT GENERAL FUND PROPOSED BUDGET REVENUE. SO THIS IS A LOT OF INFORMATION ON THIS SLIDE. AND THIS TABLE. SO LET ME KIND OF EXPLAIN WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE. AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL IN THE AUDIT MODE. SO THE DID PROVIDE WHERE WE'RE AT FOR THE 23 ACTUALS AT THIS POINT. BUT JUST NOTE THAT IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, HARD CODED AT THIS POINT. THERE COULD BE SOME FURTHER VARIANCES WITH FINISHING THE AUDIT THERE. BUT SO THE DIFFERENT CATEGORY TYPES OF REVENUE, PROPERTY TAXES, WE FINISHED AT 100.2% OF THE BUDGET. SO JUST SLIGHTLY OVER THE REVENUE PROJECTION. IN THE NEXT COLUMNS, YOU'LL SEE WHAT WE ADOPTED, WHAT'S BEEN REVISED, IF ANY, AND THEN WHERE WE ARE AT, ACTUALLY WHAT WE'VE ACTUALLY RECEIVED AT THIS POINT AS OF TODAY TO DATE. SO OUR TARGET IS APPROXIMATELY 80 TO 90% SINCE WE ONLY HAVE ABOUT A MONTH AND A HALF LEFT WITH IN THE BUDGET YEAR. AND THEN WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING AND WHAT THAT PERCENT CHANGE IS OVER THE ADOPTED BUDGET. SO WITH THE PROPERTY TAX, WE'RE ABOUT 94% COLLECTED. AND THEN WITH PROPOSED IS 4.7% OVER WHAT WAS ADOPTED. SO THAT INCLUDES, YOU KNOW, THE 3.5% GROWTH THAT'S FACTORED IN THERE AS WELL AS PENALTIES, INTEREST, YOU KNOW, PREVIOUS YEAR COLLECTIONS SALES AND OTHER TAXES. THAT INCLUDES SALES TAX AS WELL AS MIXED BEVERAGE TAX, WHICH IS NOT A VERY BIG PORTION. WE COLLECTED JUST OVER 100% OF THAT CURRENTLY YEAR TO DATE WE'RE AT 55%, BUT WE ARE TWO MONTHS BEHIND AND ABOUT 3% BEHIND THE TARGET AT THIS POINT IN THE YEAR. AND SO WHAT WE PROPOSED IS KEEPING IT FLAT, SINCE WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE TREND THAT WE WERE HOPING TO SEE. SO THAT RESULTS IN A 2.9% REDUCTION COMPARED TO WHAT WE ADOPTED PERMITS AND LICENSES. SO THAT IS ON THE PERMITS AND THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, BUILDING INSPECTIONS AND ALL THE LICENSING. THIS IS REALLY JUST A RECOVERY. THE FEES THAT WE CHARGE, AND IT CAN BE DEPENDENT ON WHAT DEVELOPMENT IS OUT THERE. ALSO, BUT WE'RE SEEING A 3.7% TREND INCREASE THEIR FINES AND FEES. THAT'S COURT FINES, LIBRARY FINES, THOSE KIND OF THINGS. WE CONSISTENTLY SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE TO GO DOWN OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS. SO THE ESTIMATE THERE IS 10% LESS THAN THE ADOPTED INTERGOVERNMENTAL REVENUES. THOSE ARE REVENUES WE RECEIVE FROM OTHER ENTITIES LIKE CITIES AND THE COUNTIES. OR IF IT'S A GRANT, YOU KNOW, THOSE KIND OF THINGS REVENUES THAT WE GET. SO WE RECEIVE FUNDING FOR THE EMERGENCY MANAGER. FOR EXAMPLE, WE RECEIVE FUNDING FROM THE CITIES, WE RECEIVE FUNDING FROM THE ISD FOR OUR SCHOOL GARDENS, THINGS LIKE THAT. COUNT IN THAT CATEGORY, THEIR INTEREST INCOME. THIS IS WHERE WE'VE SEEN THE MOST DRAMATIC SHIFT. I'M GOING TO GET INTO KIND OF MORE DETAIL HERE THAN JUST THIS, BUT I'M SORRY. YOU'RE ON A ROLL. I AM. WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. I WANT TO START OUT REAL QUICK. MINE'S SHORT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A SMALLER AMOUNT. 313,000 FOR PROPOSED FINES AND FEES. IT'S OBVIOUSLY GOING DOWN. AND THAT CAN BE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT REASONS, BUT I WANT TO JUST BRIEFLY DEFINES IS ANY PART OF THE FINE REDUCTIONS DOWN BECAUSE WE'VE NOT HAD THE PERSONNEL TO GO OUT AND DO THE COLLECTIONS? IS THAT PART OF THIS REDUCTION TO 10.4%? MR. JACKSON BEING OVER COURT? AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT, IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT ANSWER RIGHT NOW, I CAN GET IT LATER. I JUST NOTICED THAT THAT WAS THE THE HIGHEST DROP OFF OF EVERYTHING UP THERE. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT BEING ABLE TO GET OUR COLLECTIONS, IF THAT IS WHAT IT IS, THAT WE HAVE THAT DISCUSSION SOMEWHERE DOWN THE ROAD ABOUT WHY THAT MIGHT BE. MAYOR, IF I COULD JUMP IN ON THAT FOR A SECOND. SO I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS AND WE'LL, WE'LL LOOK INTO, I THINK PROBABLY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS REALLY STEP BACK AND LOOK AT THE SPECIFICS OF THAT NUMBER. BUT I WILL TELL YOU, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE SEEING, WE JUST HAD A CONVERSATION YESTERDAY WITH POLICE DEPARTMENT, CITY ADMINISTRATION AND FINANCE ABOUT COURT AND OUTSTANDING WARRANTS AND THE NON-COLLECTION OF SOME OF THAT STUFF. MY GUT TELLS ME THAT'S GOING TO BE REFLECTED IN SOME OF THAT. WE'RE SEEING QUITE A BIT OF THAT. THAT'S OUTSTANDING WHERE IT HASN'T BEEN, WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO ENFORCE THAT AND COLLECT THOSE. AND THERE'S QUITE A FEW OUTSTANDING WARRANTS. DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT THAT NUMBER WAS OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD? EITHER ONE OF YOU. IT WAS A PRETTY SIZABLE NUMBER. OUTSTANDING. NO, IT WAS A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER. [00:30:03] IT WAS INTO THE INTO THE SEVEN FIGURES. YEAH. SO YES. SO THERE'S THERE'S THERE'S CERTAINLY OPPORTUNITY THERE TO RECAPTURE THAT. AND SO AS DOUG HAD ALREADY ALLUDED TO THIS VERY ACTIVE DISCUSSION THAT WE'VE HAD AS RECENTLY AS 24 TO 48 HOURS AGO. DO WE HAVE I DO I KNOW WE JUST HAVE THE ONE MARSHAL WHERE WE USED TO HAVE TWO, BUT DO WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH SOMEBODY THAT ACTUALLY DOES COLLECTIONS FOR US OUTSIDE OF THE CITY? YES. OKAY. OKAY. MR.. MARK BURNETT AND MINE WAS ALONG THE SAME LINES. SO I KNOW, LIKE, ESPECIALLY WITH POLICE AND IN THAT LINE THAT THEY WEREN'T STOPPING PEOPLE DURING COVID. SO I'M CURIOUS ABOUT SINCE COVID WHERE WE'RE TRENDS HAVE BEEN AS WELL. AND I MEAN IS IT FINES ARE UP BUT COLLECTIONS ARE DOWN. IS THAT IS THAT WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING OR IS THAT? WELL, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS. I THINK THAT AND I THINK WE WE MAY HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT IN THE PAST TOO, BUT I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS GOING ON. I THINK ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT I'LL SHARE WITH COUNCIL THAT I'VE HEARD SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE IS NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES GETS FRUSTRATED BECAUSE THEY'LL WRITE SOMETHING UP, IT'LL GO TO COURT AND IT WILL STOP THERE. IT'S NOT ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, TO THE POINT OF WHETHER IT'S NOT ENFORCEABLE, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN UP OR WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH COURT OR. SO THERE'S THERE'S AN ISSUE THERE. ADDITIONALLY, THERE'S THESE. AND AS MR. JACKSON SAID, I THINK THE NUMBER THAT WE HAD, WE JUST DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF US AT THE MOMENT. BUT IT'S SOMETHING WE LITERALLY WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT, BRINGING BACK TO COUNCIL AND HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH THESE OUTSTANDING WARRANTS. AND WE HAVEN'T HAD A CONVERSATION WITH POLICE ABOUT WHETHER THEY CAN HELP US. AND THEN IN ADDITION, WHY DON'T YOU TOUCH ON WHAT'S GOING ON IN TERMS OF ENFORCEMENT FINES AND THAT SORT OF STUFF. TICKETING? ABSOLUTELY. JUST MAKE SURE YOU'RE POINTING AT ME. I WILL. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I DIDN'T WANT TO. I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO USE YOUR NAME. I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. CITY MANAGER COULD IDENTIFY ME. COULD YOU PLEASE THE LONE POLICE CHIEF. FINALIST. IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE FISHING FOR? SO I'VE DONE THAT BEFORE. SO WE OBVIOUSLY, DURING COVID, AS YOU BROUGHT UP, WE WANTED TO LIMIT OUR INTERACTIONS. SINCE THEN, WE HAVE OBVIOUSLY INCREASED OUR ENFORCEMENT. CERTAINLY OUR GOAL IS TO CHANGE BEHAVIOR THROUGH WARNINGS. IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, THEN WE INCREASE OUR LEVEL OF ENFORCEMENT. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WITH THE WARRANTS IF WHEN WE STOP SOMEBODY OR DETAIN SOMEONE, WE CHECK THEIR INFORMATION TO DETERMINE IF THEY HAVE ANY REGIONAL WARRANTS IN THIS REGION. SO ANYTIME WE GET A WARRANT FROM THE COURT, IT GOES TO OUR REGIONAL COMMUNICATIONS CENTER. THEY THEN ENTER THAT WARRANT FOR OUR REGION. AND THE REASON WHY IT'S JUST SPECIFIC TO OUR REGION IS IF THIS PERSON STOPPED IN LAREDO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DRIVE TO TO LAREDO TO TRANSPORT THEM BACK UP HERE FOR $200. SO WE DID. ONCE SOME THINGS HAPPENED HERE, WE WERE ABLE TO THEN START RUNNING PEOPLE AND OBVIOUSLY TAKING PEOPLE TO JAIL IF THEY HAVE WARRANTS THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO WE'RE BACK, OBVIOUSLY, TO WHAT WE NORMALLY DO. AND MAYOR AND COUNCIL, AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST CONCLUDING WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF CONCLUDING THE POLICE CHIEF SEARCH. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CHIEF STEIGER AND I HAVE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT IS WHAT THE FUTURE OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT LOOKS LIKE, AND ACTUALLY BEING TOUGH ON CRIME, BEING MORE AGGRESSIVE WITH SOME OF THAT AND KIND OF THERE USED TO BE A REPUTATION THAT DUNCANVILLE WAS REALLY TOUGH ON CRIME. AND GETTING BACK TO THAT. ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE REALLY PASSIONATE ABOUT WORKING WITH. ABSOLUTELY GOT STRAIGHTENED OUT. IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY AREA. SO I DO HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT TO MAKE TO YOU REGARDING FRANCHISE FEES. PREVIOUSLY I HAD GIVEN INFORMATION NOT NOT TO YOU, BUT THERE WERE CITIES BECAUSE THERE'S COURTS I WOULDN'T WANT TO INCLUDE IN THE CITIES, BUT THERE'S FRANCHISE TAXES THAT THAT WERE IN QUESTION. AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE LITIGATION IS IN TERMS OF THAT, BUT DUNCANVILLE WASN'T A PART OF THAT. AND IT'S ANOTHER AREA BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S ONE THAT'S THAT EVEN THOUGH YOU GOT A SLIGHT INCREASE IN THAT'S ANOTHER AREA WHERE IT'S WHERE IT'S IT'S BEEN GOING DOWN. SO, I MEAN, I SEE THAT LITTLE TICK UP THERE, BUT IT'S CONTINUALLY GOING DOWN. I DO WANT TO HIGHLIGHT, LIKE IN YOUR ACTUAL BUDGET DOCUMENT STARTING ON PAGE 3738, IT DOES BREAK OUT WHAT SPECIFIC THINGS ARE IN EACH OF THESE CATEGORIES. [00:35:05] SO IF I'M GOOD TO GO. I HAVE MY HUSBAND HIT ME IF I KEEP GOING. IT'S GOOD. YES, MA'AM. PROPERTY TAXES. I SEE 93.5%. YES. AND AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT 80 TO 90% WAS THE TARGET ABOUT WHAT YOU WERE EXPECTING TO HAVE BY NOW? AND WE ARE ABOVE WHAT WE WERE EXPECTING FOR THIS TIME OF YEAR. SO WHAT THIS IS TELLING YOU IS, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE IN MID-AUGUST NOW, SO WE STILL HAVE ANOTHER MONTH AND A HALF TO GO. SO THIS JUST SHOWS YOU LIKE WHAT'S RECORDED IN MUNIS. BASED ON THE BUDGET AND BASED ON WHAT WE'VE ACTUALLY COLLECTED, IT'S 93% OF OUR BUDGET. OKAY. SO WE'VE COLLECTED 93% IN AUGUST ALREADY. YEAR TO DATE. SO FROM OCTOBER THROUGH AUGUST. BUT FOR THE BUDGET, WE COLLECTED 93%. AND I THINK THAT'S PRETTY WELL. BUT I WANT TO REMIND YOU, MOST OF IT COMES AT ONE POINT AND THEN MORE SLOWLY AND I WILL SAY WE ARE AUDITING ALL OF OUR ENTRIES AT THIS POINT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVEN'T MISSED ANY, BECAUSE I DO THINK THIS IS LOW BASED ON WHAT WE ACTUALLY RECEIVED. SO BUT THAT IS A PROJECT WE'RE WORKING ON TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE UP TO DATE WITH ALL OF OUR. OH, SO YOU THINK 93.5, IT SHOULD BE MUCH HIGHER, TO BE HONEST, BECAUSE WE SHOULD HAVE ALMOST 100% AT THIS POINT IN THE YEAR BECAUSE THERE'S NOT MUCH MORE COMING THROUGH. OKAY. SO YEAH. SO WE WILL HIT OUR TARGET FOR SURE. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO INTEREST INCOME IS THE NEXT LINE THERE. SO WE'VE SEEN THAT AS A DRAMATIC SHIFT BECAUSE JUST POST COVID INTEREST RATES WERE DRASTICALLY LOW. WE WEREN'T GETTING VERY MUCH INCOME AT ALL. SO STARTING IN 21 AND 22 OR FISCAL YEAR 22 AND 23 WE'VE RECEIVED A LOT OF INTEREST INCOME THAT WE HAD NOT BUDGETED FOR. SO WHICH IS A GOOD THING BECAUSE IT HAS HELPED OUR BOTTOM LINE FOR THE REVENUES. WHEN WE BUDGETED 24 AGAIN, WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE A REALLY GOOD PICTURE OF WHAT THAT WAS GOING TO LOOK LIKE. SO WE HAVE SINCE REVISED THE BUDGET UPWARDS FOR THE INCOME TO REFLECT WHAT WE HAVE RECEIVED. AND WE'RE 170% ABOVE EVEN THAT AT THIS POINT. WHEN WE BUDGET FOR THE PROPOSED, THOUGH, KNOWING IF YOU'VE BEEN PAYING ATTENTION TO THE NEWS AND INTEREST RATES, THEY KEEP SAYING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GO BACK DOWN. DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW MUCH REALLY AT THIS POINT. SO WE'RE TRYING TO BE CONSERVATIVE WITH THAT NUMBER. BUT THAT 1.4 MILLION IS WHAT WE'RE PLUGGING IN, GOING BACK TO FRANCHISE FEES. SO WHAT THAT IS, IS OUR GAS, THE UTILITY RIGHT OF WAY TYPE THING. SO GAS, ELECTRICITY, TELEPHONE. IF YOU STILL HAVE HARD LINES OR LAND LINES AND CABLE. SO YOU KNOW, SOME OF THAT IS TRENDED DOWNWARD SIMPLY BECAUSE OUR LANDSCAPE HAS CHANGED. NO MORE CELL PHONES VERSUS LANDLINES, MORE STREAMING SERVICES VERSUS BUYING CABLE. WHAT IS PRETTY CONSISTENT THERE IS THE GAS AND THE ELECTRICITY, AND IT'S REALLY DEPENDENT UPON THE USAGE. SO WE HAVE A REALLY COLD WINTER. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE MORE FRANCHISE FEE COMING IN BECAUSE THEY'VE COLLECTED MORE. IF IT'S A, YOU KNOW, PRETTY DRY, WARM WINTER, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO HAVE AS MUCH. SO THAT CAN FLUCTUATE JUST REALLY DEPENDING ON THE WEATHER. CHARGES FOR SERVICES. SO THAT INCLUDES, YOU KNOW, MEMBERSHIPS, RENTALS MS COLLECTIONS, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO IN 23 WE COLLECTED 94% OF OUR, OUR BUDGET THERE. CURRENTLY YEAR TO DATE WE'RE AT 73%. AND THEN WE'RE PROPOSING A 5% INCREASE. AND THAT'S MAINLY BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME MASTER FEE CHANGES. AND WE'D LIKE TO PROPOSE. SO INCREASING THE MEMBERSHIP AND RENTAL FEES, YOU KNOW, AT THE RECREATION CENTER, AND MR. STEVENSON CAN SPEAK TO THAT IF YOU HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THE MASTERPIECE FOR THAT. BUT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, INCREASING THAT WITH THAT EXPECTATION AND THE TRANSFER FROM FUNDS, THOSE ARE ADMINISTRATIVE FEES THAT WE CHARGE TO OTHER FUNDS FOR THE ADMINISTRATION OF MANAGING THEIR FUNDS, YOU KNOW, PUTTING AGENDA ITEMS OUT, RUNNING PAYROLL, RUNNING CHECKS, ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS. WE CHARGE UTILITY FUND AND SOME OF THE OTHER FUNDS. THAT'S WHAT THAT CATEGORY REFLECTS. AND THAT OTHER SOURCES IS EVERYTHING ELSE THAT DOESN'T REALLY HAVE WORTHY OF A ITS OWN CATEGORY. SO I'M JUST GOING TO DIVE RIGHT ON INTO PROPERTY TAX. SO THIS JUST GIVES YOU A SUMMARY HERE OF WHAT OUR TAXABLE VALUES HAVE DONE OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS, AND WHAT OUR CERTIFIED VALUES ARE FOR CALENDAR YEAR 24. OUR CERTIFIED TAXABLE VALUE IS 3.8 MILLION. SO THAT'S COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL. THAT IS ABOUT 8.9% INCREASE OVER THE 23 BE CERTIFIED, AND THAT IN THIS NUMBER, 7.1 MILLION INCHES NEW CONSTRUCTION WAS ADDED TO THE TAX ROLL. LAST YEAR, IT WAS TWICE AS MUCH. SO WE WON'T SEE A WHOLE LOT OF FLUCTUATION IN NEW CONSTRUCTION, NOT HAVING A WHOLE LOT OF NEW CONSTRUCTION. SO THIS JUST SHOWS YOU THE PROPOSED BUDGET TAX RATE, GIVING YOU A VISUAL OF WHAT IT'S DONE OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS. [00:40:01] AND IN 25 FISCAL YEAR, YOU'LL SEE THE 0.61 IS THE PROPOSED TAX RATE. THE 2020 AND 2021 IS WHEN THE NEW LET THAT LEGISLATION PASSED IN THE STATE THAT LIMITED THE GROWTH TO 3.5%. SO THAT'S WHAT YOU KEEP SEEING THE DRAMATIC SHIFT AS AS VALUES DRAMATICALLY INCREASE, THE TAX RATE WILL DRAMATICALLY DECREASE. SO SHOWING THE TAX RATE AND THE AVERAGE TAXABLE VALUE OVER THE YEARS. SO THIS IS SOMETHING TO KEEP, YOU KNOW IN THE FRONT BECAUSE WE WILL BE VOTING ON THE MAXIMUM TAX RATE THAT YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO CONSIDER. SO IT ESTABLISHES THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND ALL THE PUBLICATIONS THAT WE HAVE TO DO. SO THE TAX RATE THAT'S BUILT INTO THE BUDGET IS THE 6.20.61. THE NEW THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE, WHICH WOULD BE THE RATE IF WE WERE TO PASS THAT RATE, WE WOULD COLLECT THE EXACT SAME AMOUNT OF REVENUE AS WE DID THE PREVIOUS YEAR. THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE IS THE RATE, YOU KNOW, THE MAXIMUM RATE THAT YOU CAN ELECT WITHOUT HAVING A FORMAL ELECTION. THE TAXABLE VALUE IS 243,000. SO THAT'S UP FROM 222,000. SO THE AVERAGE ANNUAL TAX BASED ON THE AVERAGE TAXABLE VALUE IS A $1,500 FOR THE MONTH. THAT EQUATES. AND AGAIN THE TAXABLE VALUE IS EVERYTHING. SO ALL THE RESIDENTS COMBINED WHETHER THEY'RE FULLY EXEMPT, WHETHER THEY HAVE SOME PARTIAL EXEMPTIONS, HOMESTEAD EXEMPTIONS OVER 65, WHATEVER THE WHATEVER THE EXEMPTIONS ARE THAT'S FACTORED INTO THAT AVERAGE. AND SHOWING YOU AGAIN THE PROPERTY TAX TAX RATE EXAMPLE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS GOING TO DO. SO I JUST LEFT THEIR RATE THE SAME. BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THE OTHER ENTITIES, THESE ARE, THEIR MAXIMUM RATES THAT THEY CAN SET. THEY MIGHT, YOU KNOW, SET A DIFFERENT RATE, I DON'T KNOW AT THIS POINT IN TIME, BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU AN ESTIMATE OF WHAT THE WHOLE PICTURE LOOKS LIKE, BECAUSE THE CITY IS ONLY A PORTION. SO THE NUMBER I PLUGGED IN HERE IS THE AVERAGE MARKET VALUE. SO IN DUNCANVILLE THE AVERAGE MARKET VALUE IS 304,000. AND THAT'S UP BY 27,000 OR 30,000 FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR. SO BASED ON THESE RATES AND BASED ON THE EXEMPTIONS THAT ARE APPLICABLE AND BASED ON ALL OF THAT IS ABOUT $542 INCREASE. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S JUST BASED ON THE RATES THAT I KNOW AT THIS POINT. TO GIVE YOU A KIND OF OVERVIEW OF WHAT THAT MAY LOOK LIKE, I JUST WANT TO SHOW YOU WHAT A PENNY ON THE TAX RATE LOOKS LIKE. AS WE WERE GOING TO PAUSE IT HERE AND KIND OF TALK ABOUT THE TAX RATE. SO IF WE TAKE THE CERTIFIED TAXABLE VALUE OF 3.8 MILLION AND A PENNY ON THAT IS 387,000 IN REVENUE TO THE CITY ON THE AVERAGE RESIDENT USING THE AVERAGE TAXABLE VALUE DEPENDING ON THE TAX RATE, IS ABOUT $24 ANNUALLY IS WHAT THAT MATH COMES TO. SO SO WITH THAT, I WANT TO OPEN UP THE FLOOR JUST TALKING ABOUT THE TAX RATE. BECAUSE AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL BE VOTING ON AT THE END OF THE NIGHT. SO ANY CAUSE OR CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS OF WHAT THAT TAX RATE, WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO VOTE ON. SO YES, MA'AM, OUR ADOPTED BUDGET. IT WAS WRITTEN AT 63, BUT THE TAXES CAME BACK SHOWING. YES, THAT IT WOULD BE LOWER AT 26.6. AND SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, I WAS LOOKING FOR WHAT THE NEW NUMBERS WOULD BE AS FAR AS AND YOU PROBABLY SHOWED THAT ALREADY. THE NEW NUMBERS AS FAR AS IF WE STAY WHERE WE ARE VERSUS IF WE WANTED TO INCREASE AND THEN THE MAXIMUM RATE. SO WHAT PAGE WAS THAT ON? SO LET ME GO BACK TO THE COMPARISONS OF THE DIFFERENT RATES. YES. RIGHT HERE. SO THIS WOULD BE THE TAX RATE. OKAY. FOR NO NEW NO NEW WOULD BE THAT RATE RIGHT THERE. AND SO IF WE WERE TO PASS THAT RATE AND GO BACK TO THE SCREEN HERE PRETTY MUCH, YOU KNOW, THE BUDGET WOULD BE ABOUT THE SAME. THE 21.9, GIVE OR TAKE. SO THAT WOULD BE ABOUT A MILLION LESS, YOU KNOW, GOING WITH THE NO NEW NO NEW REVENUE. AND THAT'S AT 58. OKAY. BUT AGAIN, TALKING ABOUT THE PENNY ON THE TAX RATE, LOWERING IT BY A PENNY, ABOUT 387,000 OF A REDUCTION TO REVENUE. AND THEN HOW THAT IMPACTS THE AVERAGE CITIZENS ABOUT $24, YOU KNOW, ON THE ANNUAL. OKAY. SO NO NEW REVENUE IS 58. AND THEN MAX WAS 61. THAT'S. THE DIFFERENCE OF $24, YOU SAID. YES. WELL, IF YOU IF YOU WERE TO LOWER IT BY A PENNY, WHAT THE REDUCTION WOULD BE ON AVERAGE IS $24. [00:45:04] SO ABOUT $72 FOR $0.03. OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. AND I DO HAVE COPIES TO KIND OF UPDATE YOUR BOOKS. I KNOW THAT THAT'S WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY GIVEN TO YOU. SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING THE TAX RATE AT THIS POINT? I DO HAVE THE LITTLE SHEET WITH THE, YOU KNOW, THE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT. SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE IT MEMORIZED. AND WHAT THAT MOTION SHOULD BE. BUT. MOVING ON. SO I'M SHOWING YOU JUST SO YOU CAN GET AN IDEA OF WHAT'S HAPPENING AROUND THE SOUTHWEST CITIES AND KIND OF WHAT THEIR VOTER APPROVAL RATES ARE AND HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO CHANGE OR DROP, AND THEN WHAT THEIR TAXABLE VALUES ARE JUST FOR OUR REFERENCE THERE. AND IF I JUST COULD. SO I'VE BEEN TALKING WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE DALLAS CITY MANAGER, THE OTHER THREE CITY MANAGERS REGULARLY, EVERYBODY IS PROPOSING TO DO THE MAX TAX RATE. OBVIOUSLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES IS ONGOING COSTS FOR POLICE AND FIRE. NOT PICKING ON POLICE OR FIRE ON GOODSTOCK OR LEFT. BUT ANYWAY, CHASE IS STILL DOWN THERE. THE COST OF EMPLOYEES, THE COST OF EQUIPMENT. WHAT'S THE NEW LADDER? 1.71.9. YEAH. IT'S JUST THE COST ARE JUST ASTRONOMICAL FOR ALL THIS STUFF. AND SO AT SOME POINT, IF WE REALLY SCALE BACK TO THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CATCH UP AND ACTUALLY GO TO THE VOTERS EVENTUALLY AND ASK FOR SOMETHING ABOVE WHAT WE COULD DO OTHERWISE, BECAUSE IT'S JUST NOT SUSTAINABLE. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. MAYOR. I'M SORRY. OKAY. SO IN BETWEEN 58 TO 61, HAS THAT BEEN CONSIDERED OR ANYTHING IN BETWEEN THE TWO? 58 IS A NO NEW REVENUE. 61 IS THE MAX. YOU HAVE 59. YOU HAVE 60. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT'S BEING CONSIDERED WITH THAT OR ANYTHING? I MEAN, YOU CAN CONSIDER ANYTHING IN BETWEEN. JUST DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH REVENUE YOU'RE WILLING TO REMOVE. AND. OKAY. AND JUST TO SHOW YOU SO SO IT'S CLEAR. SO USING A TAXABLE VALUE HERE. SO THIS WAS LAST YEAR AT 1438 WITH THIS MAXIMUM RATE IS 1500. SO THAT'S ABOUT WHAT, $62 INCREASE FOR THE YEAR. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MARKET VALUE AND STARTING THAT AS A STARTING POINT IN THE CALCULATION, IT'S ABOUT $100 DIFFERENCE FOR THE FOR THE YEAR. SO EVERYBODY'S GOING TO BE DIFFERENT. IT DEPENDS ON THEIR SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES OKAY. THANK YOU. SO MOVING ON TO SALES TAX. SALES TAX IS OUR SECOND LARGEST REVENUE SOURCE. AND AS WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO YOU ABOUT THAT WE HAVE NOT SEEN THE SALES TAX PERFORMING LIKE WE WOULD LIKE IT TO. THIS IS A SNAPSHOT AS OF WHAT WE COLLECTED IN AUGUST. WE STILL HAVE THREE MORE MONTHS. THE ACCUMULATIVE WHAT WE RECEIVED IS ALMOST 1% OVER FY 23 ACTUALS. WE UTILIZE A COMPANY CALLED HDL AND THEY DO SALES TAX ANALYSIS. THEY TAKE THE DATA FROM THE STATE COMPTROLLER'S CONTROLLER'S OFFICE AND THEY, YOU KNOW, DO TRENDS AND JUST TRY TO GET AN IDEA OF WHAT THE CONSUMERS ARE DOING. WHAT'S THE MARKET GOING TO DO IN THE STATE OF TEXAS AS WELL AS REGIONALLY IN OUR BUDGET? SEEING THE TREND AT THE TIME, WE BUDGETED IT FLAT AND BUDGETED IT AT THE 23 ACTUALS, BECAUSE WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO AT LEAST RECEIVE THAT. WHAT YOU SEE HERE ACTUALLY IS A SNAPSHOT. WHAT I GOT FROM HDL, HOW TO READ THIS. THIS JUST SHOWS YOU THEIR QUARTER PROJECTIONS. SO YOU HAVE THE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES OF SALES TAX PAYERS. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE CONSTRUCTION MANUFACTURING. YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT SOME OF THOSE BUSINESSES HERE IN THE CITY. YOU HAVE A LOT OF JUST GENERAL RETAIL, LIKE GROCERY STORES OR CLOTHING STORES, THINGS LIKE THAT. OF COURSE, INTERNET RETAIL IS WHAT'S BOOMING RIGHT NOW. YOU HAVE RESTAURANTS, ENTERTAINMENT, YOU KNOW, SOME VARIOUS OTHER ONES. OUR LARGEST PERCENT OF SALES TAX BASE IS REALLY IN THE GENERAL RETAIL CATEGORY AND IN CONSTRUCTION. SO AS YOU SEE WHAT WITH HER PROJECTING BASED ON TREND, BASED ON CONSUMER PATTERNS AND JUST THE MARKET IN GENERAL PRETTY MUCH THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. THE CONSTRUCTION SITE HAS BEEN TRENDING LESS, THE GENERAL RETAIL HAS BEEN TRENDING LESS, AND THE PROJECTED CONTINUE TO TREND AT A SLIGHTLY LESS. AND SO WITH THAT, THAT'S WHY WE DECIDED TO BUDGET AS A FLAT AS A FLAT BUDGET. BUT HDL ALSO DID PROVIDE WHAT THEY FORESEE BEING THE ESTIMATE. SO LOOKING AT BACK TO 21, WE RECEIVED 10% ABOVE WHAT WE RECEIVED THE PREVIOUS YEAR. 22 WE RECEIVED 10% ABOVE WHAT WE RECEIVED IN 2123. IT SLOWED DOWN. THAT WAS AFTER INFLATION KIND OF SETTLED DOWN. [00:50:04] WE RECEIVED 3%. SO YEAR TO DATE, 24, THEY ESTIMATE ABOUT 0.6 0.6%. AND THEY'RE USING CALENDAR YEAR VERSUS FISCAL YEAR. SO OUR NUMBERS MIGHT BE DIFFERENT. BUT BUT IN 25 BASED ON ALL OF THIS AND WHAT THEY'RE SEEING, THEY'RE ESTIMATING ABOUT 2.8% INCREASE. SO THERE MAY BE SOME GOOD NEWS THERE. BUT WE JUST HAVE TO SEE HOW SALES TAX ULTIMATELY DOES. SO JUST I KIND OF ALREADY WENT OVER THE DIFFERENT AREAS FOR THE OTHER AREAS OF REVENUE. SO JUST AGAIN WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT CHARGES FOR SERVICES WITH INCLUDES MASTER FEE UPDATES. AND THEN IN THE OTHER SERVICES CATEGORY IT DOES PLAN FOR THE PEACH TREE. IF YOU REMEMBER THAT CONVERSATION THAT RECOVERY SERVICES THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO RECOVER INSURANCE CLAIMS AND SUCH. SO THAT IS BUDGETED UNDER THE OTHER SOURCES CATEGORY. THAT IS ALL I HAVE. REGARDS TO GENERAL FUND REVENUES. ANY OTHER FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO MR. JACKSON? YES. UNDER INTERGOV REVENUES, HOW ARE REVENUES GENERATED THROUGH INTERGOV? SO THAT ONE CAN FLUCTUATE. BUT WHAT WE CURRENTLY RECEIVE ON REVENUE. SO WE RECEIVE A PORTION FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT THAT COVERS HALF OF THE SCHOOL CROSSING GUARD. WE RECEIVE ANOTHER PORTION FROM THE COUNTY IN REGARDS TO CHILD SAFETY FEE THAT IS ASSESSED ON WHEN YOU REGISTER YOUR VEHICLE. SO BETWEEN THOSE TWO THAT COVERS OUR CROSSING GUARDS EXPENSES. SO THAT GOES THERE IF WE RECEIVE ANY GRANTS. SO YOU'LL SEE LATER. BUT YOU REMEMBER WE ARE ADDING A POSITION IN THE PARKS DEPARTMENT THAT WE GOT A GRANT FOR, FOR THE ARBORIST POSITION. SO WE'RE GOING TO BE RECEIVING, YOU KNOW, REIMBURSEMENT UP TO 50,000 FOR THAT. 25 SO THAT'S IN THAT CATEGORY. WE ALSO RECEIVE 25% FROM CEDAR HILL, DESOTO, LANCASTER FOR THE REGIONAL EMERGENCY MANAGER. SO THAT'S IN THERE, THE CDBG CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER THAT WE GET FROM DALLAS COUNTY. SO THOSE THINGS WHAT GOES IN THERE? I BELIEVE IT IS BROKEN DOWN BY ACCOUNT. IN THE REVENUE SECTION, IF YOU WANTED TO SEE SPECIFIC ONES. THANK YOU. THEY ARE JUST REAL QUICK. ON TUESDAY, WE'RE ACTUALLY PLANNING A BRIEFING TO THE COUNCIL. ACTUALLY, THE AGENDA IS MONTHS AGO. BUT ANYWAY WE'RE WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO BE AGGRESSIVE WITH GRANTS. SO WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY DO A WHOLE PRESENTATION TO YOU ON TUESDAY. LIKE IF THERE'S, I THINK 6 OR 7 GRANTS CURRENTLY LARGE GRANTS THAT WE'RE GOING AFTER FOR A VARIETY OF THINGS. AND SO WE'RE WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO LOOK UNDER EVERY SINGLE ROCK. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. SO IN REGARDS TO OUR I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE MASTER FEE SCHEDULE LATER IS THAT WE CAN CERTAINLY TALK ABOUT IT NOW. I DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC SLIDE ON IT, BUT HOW OFTEN DO WE I MEAN, I CAN'T RECALL US GOING THROUGH AND DOING A MAJOR UPDATE TO THAT. YOU KNOW, WE COMPARABLE TO OTHER CITIES AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT PERMITS AND I KNOW THAT THE REC CENTER, I KNOW THAT THEY'RE INCREASING YOU KNOW, YOUR MEMBERSHIP FEE. SO HOW OFTEN DO WE GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT AND SEE IF WE GO THROUGH THERE MAXIMIZING. I'M SORRY. WE GO THROUGH THE EXERCISE EVERY YEAR FOR DEPARTMENTS TO LOOK AT THAT AND SEE WHAT IT IS THAT THEY WANT TO RECOMMEND, IF ANYTHING, FOR A CHANGE. THEY CERTAINLY DO LOOK AT OTHER CITIES. THEY LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, ARE WE RECOVERING WHAT WE NEED TO TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES LIKE BUILDING INSPECTIONS? AND WE DID JUST A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WHERE WE DRAMATICALLY INCREASED THOSE FEES. SO THOSE WILL INCREASE A WHOLE LOT IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS. THE REC CENTER, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, COST OF, YOU KNOW, OPERATING THE SERVICES. BUT EVERY EVERY YEAR THE DEPARTMENTS ARE LOOKING AT THOSE AND MAKING THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS. SO I THINK IT PROBABLY, TO YOUR POINT, WOULD BE A GOOD EXERCISE TO GO THROUGH WITH COUNCIL TO. I THINK SO. THANK YOU. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHERE I SAW IT, BUT THERE WAS AN INCREASE FOR SWIMMING, CERTAIN SWIMMING POOLS. IS THIS THE TIME THAT WE'RE GOING TO DIG INTO THINGS LIKE THAT OR IN THE REVENUE CONVERSATIONS. OKAY. SO WHAT WAS THE DETERMINING FACTOR? SO IS IT BECAUSE YOU COMPARED THE SWIMMING POOL. SWIMMING POOL FEES THAT WE CHARGE TO OTHER CITIES AND DID A FEE ADJUSTMENT BECAUSE OF THAT OR. SO WE DON'T HAVE MR. KEYES MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT. I'M NOT SURE. BUT I DO KNOW WE HAVE TO. DRAIN SWIMMING POOLS, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 30 000 GALLONS OR MORE IN COMMERCIAL SIZE. WE DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF THAT IN THE CITY, BUT IF WE'RE HAVING A DRAIN THAT WE'RE GOING TO. HAVE TO DO THAT AS A PART OF THE ABATEMENT. SO THAT WOULD KIND OF COVER THAT COST. THAT'S THE FEE. YEAH. THERE WAS AN INCREASE BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE SWIMMING POOL. IF IT HIT A CERTAIN THRESHOLD, I. COULDN'T REMEMBER WHAT THE THRESHOLD WAS, BUT I DO REMEMBER WONDERING WHAT TRIGGERED THE INCREASE. OF THAT ONE SPECIFIC PAGE 192. [00:55:04] PAGE 192. THANK YOU. YEAH. WELL, CERTAINLY IT'S BECAUSE OF THE DRAINAGE FEE AND THE TRANSPORTATION OF IT. OR I'LL HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU IN TERMS OF WHAT WAS DEVELOPED OR WHAT WAS THE REASONING BEHIND IT FOR THAT? I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER. OKAY. THAT WAS JUST ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STOOD OUT TO ME. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. NO BUILDING PERMITS. SO ONTO EXCUSE ME, ONTO GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES. WE'RE LOOKING AT IT ON AN OVERALL BASIS. FIRST, WE'RE JUST LOOKING BY EXPENDITURE TYPE. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE LARGE MAJORITY OF OUR EXPENDITURES ARE IN SALARY AND BENEFITS AT 65% OF THE GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURE BUDGET. ANOTHER 18. CLOSE TO 19% IN CONTRACTUAL OR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. AND ABOUT 7% IN SUPPLIES AND MATERIALS. SO BETWEEN THOSE THREE AREAS, THAT REPRESENTS OVER 90% OVER OF THE OVERALL BUDGET FOR GENERAL FUND. IF WE WERE TO TAKE A LOOK BY DEPARTMENT YOU SEE, ABOUT ABOUT 50% IS IN OUR PUBLIC SAFETY SECTOR BETWEEN OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT MAKES UP JUST ABOUT 50% OF THE OVERALL GENERAL FUND BUDGET. AND THEN MOVE IT DOWN FROM THERE. OUR PUBLIC WORKS AT ABOUT 18%. AND OUR GENERAL GOVERNMENT SECTION, WHICH COVERS SEVERAL OF OUR DEPARTMENTS, INCLUDING THIS COUNCIL AS WELL AS CITY MANAGER AND FINANCE, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT COVERS ABOUT 12.6% OF THE BUDGET. SO JUST LOOKING AT IT FROM AN OVERALL EXPENDITURE TO GIVE YOU ALL A VIEW OF HOW THAT BREAKS DOWN OVERALL WITH LOOKING AT IT IN TERMS OF OUR CATEGORIES AND WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHERE THE ACTUAL NUMBERS ARE THROUGH THIS YEAR AS WELL AS OUR UNAUDITED NUMBERS FOR 2023. BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT THE PROPOSED BUDGET FOR 25, IT'S ABOUT A 4.2 4.3% INCREASE OVER THE ADOPTED BUDGET. THAT WAS ORIGINALLY PASSED WHEN LOOKING AT SOME OF THESE PERCENTAGES. I JUST WANT TO ZERO IN SPECIFICALLY ON THE POINTER DOESN'T GO ON THE ON THE MONITOR. MY APOLOGIES, BUT LOOKING SPECIFICALLY AT SUPPLIES AND MATERIALS VERSUS CONTRACTUAL PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AND MAINTENANCE REPAIR. WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT ON A ON A SLIDE COMING UP, BUT A LOT OF THAT IS BASED ON OUR RECLASSIFICATION OF COMPUTER SOFTWARE. COMPUTER EQUIPMENT. COMPUTER RELATED EXPENDITURES THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY EITHER IN MAINTENANCE OR REPAIR, OR IN CONTRACTUAL PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. WHEN WE WERE DOING A DIVE INTO THE ACTUAL EXPENDITURE ACCOUNTS, WE FOUND THAT A LOT OF THE SOFTWARE RELATED AND COMPUTER EQUIPMENT RELATED ACCOUNTS WERE ACTUALLY IN THE SUPPLIES AND MATERIALS CATEGORY. SO FOR THIS YEAR, WE WANTED TO RIGHT SIZE AND HAVE THAT BE IN THE EXPENDITURE AREA. THAT WILL BE HOPEFULLY CONSISTENT FOR US MOVING FORWARD IN TERMS OF HAVING EXPENDITURES IN THE RIGHT CATEGORIES. BUT AGAIN, FROM AN OVERALL BASIS, AND WE'LL GET INTO A DEEPER DIVE BY DEPARTMENT IN SUBSEQUENT SLIDES. BUT OVERALL WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT A 4.2% INCREASE OVER WHAT WAS ADOPTED IN THE FISCAL YEAR 24 BUDGET. YES. YES, SIR. SO IT MIGHT BE MORE TOWARDS YOU OR YOU, BUT WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THE PROPOSED BUDGET AND I SEE THAT THE REVENUES, THAT THEIR EXPENSES ARE LARGER THAN THE REVENUES. SO THAT'S GOING TO BE MY FIRST QUESTION. OKAY. HELP ME UNDERSTAND. YES YES YES. SO SO EXPENSES AND REVENUES. YES. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE I GUESS WE'VE WE'VE WE'VE TOUCHED ON IT ON A, ON A, I GUESS AN OVERALL PERSPECTIVE. BUT WHEN WE REALLY LOOK AT WHAT OUR CHALLENGES ARE AS A MUNICIPALITY AS IT RELATES TO REVENUE, WE DON'T HAVE THE BENEFIT OF PRIVATE INDUSTRY, OF A NEW PRODUCT THAT CAN BE INTRODUCED INTO THE MARKET. SOME OF OUR SOME OF OUR INCREASES ARE JUST LOCKED IN BASED ON GOING TRENDS, AND EITHER WHAT WE'RE SEEING OR WHAT ACTUALLY HAS BEEN [01:00:02] DEVELOPING OVER THIS PAST YEAR, THIS CURRENT YEAR OR PRIOR. AND SO WHEN WE'RE PUTTING THE REVENUE SIDE TOGETHER, WE CERTAINLY WANT TO BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING, SO THAT WE'RE HAVING TRUE NUMBERS THAT WE REALLY FEEL LIKE THE CITY CAN ACHIEVE IN TERMS OF ACTUAL REVENUES. AND WE'RE NOT GIVING YOU PIE IN THE SKY PROJECTIONS FOR THE SAKE OF YOU KNOW, TRYING TO COME INTO A BALANCED NUMBER, CERTAINLY ON THE EXPENDITURE SIDE. I KNOW I'M PREACHING TO THE CHOIR IN TERMS OF THIS COUNCIL, CERTAINLY WITH THE MAYOR AND CITY MANAGER AS WELL. BUT IN TERMS OF THE THE CHALLENGES THAT OUR DEPARTMENTS CONTINUE TO HAVE ON A DAY TO DAY, MONTH TO MONTH BASIS WITH INCREASING COSTS THAT THEY'RE HAVING TO DEAL WITH AND INCREASING SERVICES THAT NEED TO BE PROVIDED BOTH INTERNALLY AMONGST, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR CITY ITSELF AS WELL, OUR CITY DEPARTMENTS THEMSELVES, AS WELL AS THE SERVICES OUT FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND THE PEOPLE OF THE COMMUNITY. SO, YOU KNOW, WE WE WENT THROUGH A GREAT LABOR. TO YOUR POINT, COUNCILMAN BURNETT, ON REALLY TRYING TO IDENTIFY WHERE WE COULD TRIM IN THE BUDGET AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE WITH A GOAL OF TO TO BALANCE THE BUDGET. WHERE WE CAME IN AT WAS PROBABLY A LITTLE MORE THAN 10% OF THE TRUE GAP THAT WE HAD INITIALLY HAD WHEN WE HAD OUR INITIAL DISCUSSIONS WITH THE DEPARTMENTS IN TERMS OF THEIR ASK, OF THEIR NEEDS FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENT. SO WHEN WE ROLLED THAT UP, THAT $502,000 WAS MORE LIKE OVER $5 MILLION. AND SO THERE WAS A LOT OF LABOR AND A LOT OF WORK IN TERMS OF TRYING TO GET IT IN WITH THE GOAL BEING TO TRY TO GET AS BALANCED AS WE COULD, BUT ALSO TO BE RESPECTFUL OF WHAT THE DEPARTMENTS NEEDED AND RESPECTFUL OF THE PROCESS OF NOT NECESSARILY HAVING A BALANCED BUDGET AND COMING RIGHT BACK IN TERMS OF INTRODUCTIONS TO COUNCIL TO APPROPRIATE FROM FUND BALANCE. THANK YOU. PIGGYBACK ON THAT. SO I JUST WANT TO BE CRYSTAL CLEAR ABOUT WHAT HE JUST SAID. SO WHEN WE PUT IN ALL OF THE REQUESTS FROM ALL THE DEPARTMENTS VERSUS OUR REVENUE, IT WAS OVER A $5 MILLION BUDGET. OKAY. NEARLY EVERY REQUEST THAT EVERY DIRECTOR MADE AND EVERY DEPARTMENT FOR NEW STUFF WAS REJECTED. IT WAS ALL DENIED. AND THE DEPARTMENTS UNDERSTOOD IT. WE ALSO CHALLENGED EVERY SINGLE DEPARTMENT TO GO OUT AND FIND NEW SOURCES OF REVENUE AND REALLY LOOK TO THE FUTURE. AS I MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING, THIS BUDGET IS VERY MUCH, I FEEL LIKE STILL A TRANSITIONARY BUDGET. WE THIS IS NOT SUSTAINABLE TO CONTINUE THIS FOR MANY YEARS IN THE FUTURE, RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHY WE'VE GOT TO GET TO LONG TERM CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. WE'VE GOT TO GET TO MULTIYEAR BUDGETING. WE'VE EVEN STARTED HAVING CONVERSATIONS INTERNALLY. A LOT OF THE OTHER CITIES IN THE AREA ARE DOING THINGS WITH SPECIAL IMPROVEMENT DISTRICTS, AND WE'VE BEEN TALKING WITH STOGNER ABOUT HOW THAT COULD EVEN HELP FUND POLICE IF WE HAD A DOWNTOWN BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE BIGGER, DEEPER CONVERSATIONS BECAUSE IT'S NOT SUSTAINABLE TO JUST PUT IT ALL ON THE BACKS OF THE TAXPAYERS. SO WE'VE GOT TO GET CREATIVE AND LOOK FOR THESE OTHER ALTERNATIVE SOURCES FOR THE FUTURE. BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, WE'VE GOT TO PUT A BAND-AID ON IT. YES, MA'AM. AND TO THAT POINT BECAUSE I NOTICED THAT AS WELL. AND I GO BACK TO THE FINANCIAL POLICY AND READ WHAT THE FINANCIAL POLICY DESCRIBES AS A BALANCED BUDGET. AND ACCORDING TO THE FINANCIAL POLICY, THIS IS OUT OF BALANCE BECAUSE IT SAYS THAT EITHER THE OPERATING BUDGET WILL BE BALANCED WITH CURRENT REVENUE GREATER THAN OR EQUAL TO CURRENT EXPENDITURES, AND HOW TO BRING IT IN TO COVER THOSE GAPS. I ASSUME YOU HAD TO GO INTO THE FUND BALANCE. THAT'S THE 500 THAT'S FEATURED. 507. YES. SO WITH THAT 507 AS WHAT WAS PROPOSED IN HERE, NOW THAT WE KNOW THAT THE TAX RATE IS DIFFERENT, I WOULD ASSUME THIS IS A BIGGER GAP THAN JUST 507, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT BRINGING IN WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING HERE BECAUSE THE TAX RATE CHANGE WOULD STILL BE THE SAME. IT WOULD STILL BE THE SAME AMOUNT OF REVENUE BECAUSE I PROJECTED THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF REVENUE. IT'S JUST THE RATE ITSELF IS DIFFERENT. SO THE REASON THERE WAS MORE TAXABLE VALUE. MORE TAXABLE VALUE. SO THIS IS STILL GOING TO BE 507 FOR 61. REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE WHAT WE JUST ADDED 1.2 I FORGET. BUT ANYWAY SO YES SO. SO IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT IN CHANGING OUR POLICY AS FAR AS HOW WE DEFINE A BALANCED BUDGET OR NO. WE NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT POLICIES OVERALL. [01:05:04] THE ONLY WAY REALLY REALISTICALLY, TO BRING YOU A BALANCED BUDGET THIS YEAR IS TO START LAYOFFS AND ELIMINATING POSITIONS. IT'S THAT TIGHT. IT'S REALLY THAT TIGHT. THE CAN HAS BEEN KICKED DOWN THE ROAD FOR SO MANY YEARS THAT IT'S TIME TO PAY UP, QUITE HONESTLY. AND SO YES, TO DIP INTO THE 500,000 FOR THIS YEAR, JUST KNOWING THAT THIS IS A ONE TIME THING AS WE CONTINUE TO WORK THROUGH AND FIGURE OUT NEW SOLUTIONS. SO THIS IS A ONE TIME THING BECAUSE IN FISCAL YEAR 24, IT WAS A ONE TIME THING AS WELL. THAT WAS THE MRS. SERVICE CREDIT WAS ADDED, WHICH STILL HAD IMPLICATIONS THIS YEAR WHICH WERE NOT FACTORED IN TO. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT CREATING A TREND WHERE WE CONTINUOUSLY DIP INTO. BUT TO ANSWER THAT, THAT'S WHY I NEED YOUR GUYS'S HELP. WE'VE GOT TO LOOK AT POLICIES. WE'VE GOT TO LOOK AT THE SIP. WE'VE GOT TO START TO REALLY, EVEN THIS FALL, START TALKING ABOUT LONG TERM FINANCIAL PLANNING AND NOT WAIT TILL NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. AND I'LL GO BACK TO THE POLICY PIECE BECAUSE AND I TALKED TO JENNIFER ABOUT THIS YESTERDAY. I THINK THAT $507,000 TO SOME PEOPLE, WHEN THEY LOOK AT THAT, YOU JUST SIMPLY STATED IT LOOKS LIKE WE SPENT TOO MUCH AND WE PULLED IT OUT OF A FUND TO COVER. AND I KNOW IT'S MORE THAN THAT BECAUSE IT'S IT'S MORE COMPLICATED THAN THAT BECAUSE YOU JUST EXPLAINED IT. ONCE AGAIN, I SEE THE PUBLIC LOOKING AT THIS, AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE JUST ROBBED PETER TO PAY PAUL TO BALANCE. AND THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT WHAT REALLY WE'RE REALLY DOING THERE. BUT I WANTED TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION TOO. AND JENNIFER EXPLAINED IT TO ME, BUT I WANTED TO HAVE IT FOR THE PUBLIC BENEFIT AND FOR GIVE IT TO HIM TO FURTHER SECURE MY KNOWLEDGE THAT THIS WASN'T SOMETHING THAT WE COULD AVOID. BUT IT'S ALSO NOT A COVER UP, THAT IT'S OUT HERE, IT'S IN PRINT. SO IT'S NOT A COVER UP. IT'S NOT A GOOD PRACTICE. WE DID IT LAST YEAR FOR DIFFERENT REASONS. AND I JUST I'M GLAD WE'RE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION FOR THE PUBLIC SO THAT THEY CAN UNDERSTAND THIS IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY THAT WE DO THIS. NOW THE ONE QUESTION I COULDN'T GET ANSWERED AND MAYBE MAYBE IT'S TOO MUCH IN THE WEEDS TODAY, BUT WHAT FUNDS WAS THAT MONEY PULLED FROM? WAS IT PULLED OUT OF ONE FUND. WAS IT PULLED OUT OF MULTIPLE FUNDS? WHERE DO WE GET THAT 507,000. WHAT'S THE BREAKDOWN ON THAT? IT WOULD. SO IN TERMS OF WHERE THAT WOULD THAT THAT THAT I GUESS THAT GAP WOULD JUST COME SPECIFICALLY OUT OF GENERAL FUND BALANCE, WHICH IS A ONE TIME 500. SO, SO OVER THE COURSE. SO, SO ESSENTIALLY OVER THE COURSE OF FISCAL YEAR 25, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BEGINNING BALANCE OF THE GENERAL FUND AND LOOK AT WHAT WE PROJECT FOR THE ENDING BALANCE FOR GENERAL FUND, WE'RE PROJECTING THAT OVERALL BALANCE TO BE REDUCED BY 505 MILLION. PAGE 36. SO AS WE'VE STATED BEFORE THE FINANCIAL REPORTS AND THINGS. SO, YOU KNOW, WE TARGET A 60 DAY FUND BALANCE RESERVE, WHICH IS ABOUT 6.9 MILLION AND SMALL, VERY SMALL FONT. I'M SORRY, BUT WE STILL HAVE 13 MILLION ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT AS WELL. SO IT'S NOT DIPPING INTO I'M JUST GLAD WE'RE HAVING THE CONVERSATION BECAUSE IT LOOKS SO SIMPLY THAT THAT WE JUST GRAB MONEY SO THAT WE COULD BALANCE. AND IT'S NOT THAT SIMPLE. YEAH. THE OTHER THING I'D ADD IS A LOT OF MUNICIPALITIES, INCLUDING MY EXPERIENCE, AND RICHARD AND I BRING SOME DIFFERENT EXPERIENCES, AND I KNOW THAT YOU DID AS WELL. THIS USE OF WHAT'S CALLED A APPROPRIATING FUND BALANCE IS ACTUALLY COMMON PRACTICE, BECAUSE WE MAY NOT ACTUALLY END UP NEEDING 500,000 IF THE EXPENSES DON'T COME IN AT THE FULL TOTAL NUMBER. THERE WON'T BE A NEED TO ACTUALLY ALLOCATE TO THAT 500,000. OR IF WE HAVE LEFTOVER MONEY AT THE END OF THE YEAR, WE MAY PUT $1 MILLION BACK INTO FUND BALANCE AND NOT ONLY TAKE NOT TAKE THE 500,000 OUT. WE MAY GO 1.5 THE OTHER WAY. SO YOU NEVER REALLY KNOW UNTIL YOU'RE CLOSING OUT THE FISCAL YEAR. SO IT'S IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A SHELL. IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THAT 500,000 IS ACTUALLY GOING TO GET SPENT TODAY. SO WHEN WE CLOSE OUT THAT FISCAL YEAR, WE CAN REVISIT THIS AND SAY YES. AND THAT'S ACTUALLY A LOT OF TIMES WHEN THAT'S DONE AT THE YEAR END AND THERE'S USUALLY A YEAR END CLOSING POLICY, WE'RE ACTUALLY WORKING ON SOME POLICIES FOR YOU GUYS RIGHT NOW. SO I THINK JENNIFER HAS SOMETHING. I JUST ALSO WANT TO HE WAS GOING TO TOUCH ON THIS WHEN HE GETS TO THE NEXT SLIDE. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THIS PAGE, YOU KNOW, UNAUDITED AT THIS POINT, YOU KNOW, WE RECEIVED 7% MORE REVENUE THAN WE HAD PROJECTED. [01:10:03] AND YOU'LL SEE ON THE NEXT SLIDE, WE'VE ACTUALLY SPENT 95% OF OUR BUDGET. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 4.8 MILLION NET REVENUE THAT GOES INTO THE GENERAL FUND FROM FISCAL YEAR 23. AND WHAT WE DIDN'T SPEND AND WHAT WE OVERLOOKED. SO THE. GENERAL FUND, NOT THE GENERAL FUND, BUT THE FUND BALANCE. SO ANYTHING THAT WE HAVE LEFT OVER AT THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR, IT IS DEPOSITED INTO THE FUND BALANCE. AND THAT'S HOW WE CONTINUE TO INCREASE OVER THE 6.9 MILLION. YES. YES. OKAY. AND. I KNOW SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL, THIS IS THE SECOND TIME WE'VE HAD TO GO INTO IT. AND SO THIS IS GENERALLY NOT HOW IT'S DONE, HOW IT'S BEEN DONE BEFORE IN THE PAST. YOU ARE ABLE TO MEET EXPENDITURES AND REVENUE. YES. OKAY. SO WHAT YOU SAID EARLIER, THIS IS NOT UNCOMMON. CORRECT. IT'S ACTUALLY VERY COMMON TO APPROPRIATE FUND BALANCE. AND ACTUALLY ONE OF THE POLICIES THAT WE'RE WORKING ON A YEAR IN CLOSING POLICY, I WOULD ACTUALLY RECOMMEND THAT THE POLICY ACTUALLY BE BEFORE WE ACTUALLY DO THE TRANSFER. THE COUNCIL ACTUALLY VOTED ON IT BY RESOLUTION SO THAT, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY HOW MUCH WE ACTUALLY HAD TO SPEND, THIS BECOMES A PLACEHOLDER JUST TO BALANCE THE BUDGET. AND WE MAY NOT NEED THE 500,000. WE MAY ONLY NEED 5000. WHO KNOWS? WE MAY NOT NEED ANYTHING AT ALL. BUT THEN IF WE DO IT AT YEAR END, THEN YOU KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHAT WE'VE DONE. BUT TO THE TO YOUR POINT EARLIER, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE NEED TO CHANGE OUR POLICY. THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING TO. YOU NEED TO AMEND OUR POLICY TO MIMIC OUR PRACTICES. AND I COME FROM A WORLD WHERE WE SAY WHAT WE DO, WE DO WHAT WE SAY. AND THAT IF WE'RE SAYING THAT THIS IS OUR POLICY AND HOW WE DO OUR FINANCES, THEN LET'S LET IT REFLECT. AND THAT'S IT. I DO AGREE WITH THAT COMMENT. YET WE STILL NEED TO CONTINUE TO HAVE BEST PRACTICES, BEST PRACTICES IMPLEMENTED AS WELL. OKAY. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE BREAKDOWN OF EXPENDITURES BY DEPARTMENT AND WE'LL GET INTO EACH INDIVIDUAL AREA, BUT JUST TO SHOW AGAIN AN INCREASE OVER THE ADOPTED BUDGET OF ABOUT 4.3%. AGAIN, AS JENNIFER HAD ALLUDED TO BASED ON OUR UNAUDITED AUDITED NUMBERS OF 2000 FISCAL YEAR 2023. THE CITY FINISHED ABOUT 95% OF THEIR EXPENDITURE BUDGET FOR 23, SO WE FINISHED ROUGHLY 5% UNDER BUDGET OF WHAT OUR ORIGINAL EXPECTATIONS WERE. AND AGAIN, LOOKING SO FAR IN THIS FISCAL YEAR, YEAR TO DATE. AGAIN, LOOKING AT IT, 80 TO 90% TARGET. AS IT RELATES TO THE OVERALL BUDGET, WE'RE AT ABOUT 87.8% OF OUR BUDGET FROM THE EXPENDITURE SIDE. SO WHAT THAT SAYS IS BASED ON ON THAT INFORMATION WE PROJECT THAT WILL COME IN AT OR POTENTIALLY BELOW BUDGET, DEPENDING ON HOW SOME OF THESE FINAL EXPENDITURES COME THROUGH OVER THE LAST MONTH AND A HALF. AND AGAIN, WE'LL GET INTO, EACH OF THE INDIVIDUAL AREAS AND HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO STOP FOR QUESTIONS. AGAIN, LOOKING AT JUST A GENERAL OVERVIEW OF THE EXPENDITURES AND SOME OF THE. I GUESS, NEW INTRODUCTION AS IT RELATES TO THOSE EXPENDITURES, WE TALKED ABOUT THE COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT. THIS DOES FACTOR IN A 2% COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT THAT WILL TAKE EFFECT ON DAY ONE OF THE NEW FISCAL YEAR. IT ALSO HAS A 1% MERIT ADJUSTMENT. AGAIN, SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED, BUT BUDGETARILY WE HAVE THAT EFFECTIVE AT THE BEGINNING OF QUARTER TWO OF FISCAL YEAR 25. JANUARY 1ST. THERE'S ALSO FROM THE EXPENDITURE SIDE, A 8% INCREASE TO OUR CITY PAID MEDICAL INSURANCE RATES. AND SO THE CITY HAD BENEFITED OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS BY THAT, THOSE NUMBERS BEING RELATIVELY FLAT. WE KIND OF KNEW AT SOME POINT THE INCREASE WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. AND SO FOR FISCAL YEAR 25, WE'RE SEEING THAT. AND SO WE FACTORED THAT INTO THE BUDGET. JUST AS A POINT OF REFERENCE AS IT RELATES TO EMPLOYEES THEMSELVES. VERY MINIMAL INCREASE TO WHAT THEY'LL BE SEEING IN TERMS OF WHAT THE EMPLOYEE, THE EMPLOYEE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE MEDICAL PAY IS. DID WE HAVE A SLIGHT DECREASE LAST YEAR IN THE EMPLOYEE? [01:15:01] YES. YES. THE CITY EXPENSE ACTUALLY WOULD HAVE BEEN EVEN A LITTLE HIGHER. WHAT WAS THE NUMBER? 10%. WHATEVER IT WAS. BUT WE WERE ACTUALLY ABLE TO NEGOTIATE A PACKAGE THAT INCLUDED A COMBINATION OF THE HEALTH INSURANCE AND DENTAL. SO THE EMPLOYEES END UP PAYING A LITTLE BIT MORE. THE CITY ENDS UP PAYING A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT IT'S LESS THAN WHAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN INDIVIDUALLY HAD WE WENT WITH THE OTHER PROGRAM. SO BY DOING THE COMBINATION, IT ACTUALLY SAVES BOTH THE EMPLOYEE AND THE CITY A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY. THAT WAS I HAVE A NOTE IN HERE. NO DENTAL INSURANCE FOR THAT. WAS THAT AN OPTION? BACK IN THE PAST, YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANY DENTAL INSURANCE? IS THAT WHAT IT WAS? IT WAS SELF-PAY. OKAY. AND THAT'S THIS COMBO THING THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. BUT THEN THIS YEAR WE'RE PROPOSING TO PAY OUT A PORTION OF THAT. IT ACTUALLY REDUCES THE CITY'S EXPENSE. YES. THAT WAS THE COMBINATION. YES. AND REMIND ME, ARE WE IN A IN A PLAN ON OUR MEDICAL INSURANCE, WHERE THE THE COSTS INCURRED BY EMPLOYEE ILLNESS AND WHATNOT. DOES THAT CONTRIBUTE TO THE INCREASED COST? ARE THEY. I KNOW AT ONE TIME IT WAS SET UP THAT WAY. SAY THAT AGAIN. WELL, IF WE HAVE A LOT OF A LOT OF COSTS AS A RESULT OF ILLNESS AND LISTEN. INJURIES. DOES IT IMPACT SOME OF THE INCREASE? YES. BECAUSE WHAT YOU KNOW, INSURANCE COMPANIES DO IS THEY LOOK AT OUR CLAIMS HISTORY, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK I FORGET WHAT THE NUMBER IS, BUT THEY'RE LOOKING AT A LOSS RATIO OF 80 TO 83%, 85, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO WHEN YOU HAVE CLAIMS THAT ARE CONSISTENTLY, YOU KNOW, HIGHER THAN 85%, YOU KNOW YOU'RE PAYING A PREMIUM. AND WHAT THEY'RE PAYING OUT THAT TREND, YOU KNOW, THEN THEY'RE GOING TO START LOOKING AT THAT AND ASSESS THAT. SO THEY LOOK AT OUR CLAIMS HISTORY. SO SOME OF THAT RESULTED IN THE PAST A NUMBER OF TIMES IN PROGRAMS WITHIN THE CITY TO TRY TO HELP EMPLOYEES MAINTAIN THEIR HEALTH. DO WE HAVE ANYTHING YOU STILL HAVE A WELLNESS PROGRAM? MR. HENRY DOWN THERE CAN PROBABLY SPEAK TO SOME OF THAT, BUT WE'VE BEEN THEY'VE BEEN GOING STRONG THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS DOING WELLNESS CHALLENGES AND TRYING TO KEEP EMPLOYEES ENGAGED, YOU KNOW. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IF WE COULD JUST GO BACK TO THE 2% AND THE 1%. SO THE 2% COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENTS, MY UNDERSTANDING IS SOME EMPLOYEES IN THE PAST HAVE ACTUALLY NOT BEEN RECEIVING THE COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENTS. SO THIS IS A CITY WIDE 2% COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT. ALL GENERAL EMPLOYEES. EVERYONE. THE 1% MERIT. WE'VE BEEN ACTUALLY INTERVIEWING HR DIRECTOR CANDIDATES, AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE POSED TO ACTUALLY THE CANDIDATES IS, WHAT WOULD A 1% MERIT PROGRAM LOOK LIKE? AND THEY THEY'VE ALL KIND OF BEEN PROVIDING US DIFFERENT IDEAS. WE DO DO ANNUAL PERFORMANCE EVALUATIONS. EVERY EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY GETS AN ANNUAL PERFORMANCE EVALUATION. AND STARTING OUT HERE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT WHAT THAT MAY LOOK LIKE, IT MAY BE AS SIMPLE AS IF YOU RECEIVE A GOOD OR BETTER, YOU MAY GET A 1%. IF YOU DON'T, THEN YOU WOULDN'T TYPE THING. AND WE'RE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF DESIGNING THAT RIGHT NOW. I THINK OUR NEW HR DIRECTOR THAT STARTS MONDAY HAS SOME IDEAS ABOUT THAT, THAT SHE SHARED WITH US, SOME PRACTICES THAT SHE'S DONE WITH ANOTHER MUNICIPALITY, NOT TO GET INTO THE WEEDS AGAIN, BUT JUST A QUICK ANSWER IF YOU HAVE IT AVAILABLE. IS THERE IS THE 2% COLA OR THE 1% INCREASE. LIMITED IN RESPECT TO NEW EMPLOYEES COMING ON BOARD. DO THEY HAVE TO BE HERE THROUGH THEIR FULL PROBATION BEFORE THEY QUALIFY, OR IS THIS GIVEN TO EVERYONE REGARDLESS OF THEIR SHORT SHORT? THEY'VE BEEN EMPLOYED? I DON'T THINK WE'VE WORKED OUT ALL THOSE DETAILS YET. THAT'S A WEEDS PROBLEM. NO PROBLEM. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AND DOWN TO THE LAST BULLET POINT HERE IN TERMS OF THE SUPPLIES, AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT SOME OF THOSE SOFTWARE RELATED COMPUTER RELATED COSTS IN TERMS OF WHERE THEY RESTED OR RESIDED ON THE EXPENDITURES THAT WE SHIFT, THOSE FROM CONTRACTUAL OR THE MAINTENANCE AREA INTO THOSE PARTICULAR LINES THAT ROLLED UP INTO SUPPLIES AND MATERIALS. ONE OF THE STOP, EXCUSE ME, STOP AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE THERE'S OF AN ADDITIONAL TOPIC THAT WE WANTED TO COVER. THAT WAS AFTER WE HAD PUT THE THE BUDGET PRESENTATION TOGETHER, AND THAT WAS TO TALK ABOUT JUST IN GENERAL NOT ONLY IN TERMS OF, AS WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED, IN TERMS OF THE FORMULATION OF THE OVERALL BUDGET, IN THIS CASE FOR FISCAL YEAR 25, BUT ALSO IN TERMS OF WHAT HAPPENS THROUGHOUT THE FISCAL YEAR. WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE CERTAINLY CHALLENGES AND CERTAINLY OPPORTUNITIES, CHALLENGES BEING DIFFERENT EXPENDITURES THAT COULD DRIVE OUR OVERALL EXPENDITURE PROJECTION UP OR DOWN AS WELL AS OPPORTUNITIES IN TERMS OF THINGS [01:20:03] THAT COULD BE IN IMPROVEMENT TO REDUCE EXPENDITURES OR TO INCREASE REVENUES. SO CERTAINLY IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW. CURRENTLY, ONE IS MR. FINCH HAD ALREADY ALLUDED TO IT. CHALLENGES WITH RESPECT TO RECRUITMENT. AND SO IN TERMS OF WHAT WHAT WE'RE FINDING. WHAT SOME OF THE POSITIONS BASED ON DIFFERENT STUDIES WITH THE AVERAGES JUST OVERALL, BUT PARTICULARLY IN THE BEST SOUTHWEST IN TERMS OF OUR DIRECT COMPETITORS. AND SO THAT POTENTIAL IMPACT IN TERMS OF ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE THAT COULD BE AT OUR AT OUR FEET, IF YOU WILL. ALSO, IN TERMS OF OUR AND OUR BEING FINANCED. EXCUSE ME. CALCULATION OF THE COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT. WHEN JENNIFER AND I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THE TABLES IN TERMS OF WHAT WAS INITIALLY PRESENTED. THERE WERE TWO TABLES THAT WERE NOT FACTORED INTO THE OVERALL NUMBER. SO WHEN WE FACTORED THAT THAT BACK IN, THAT HAS THE POTENTIAL FOR ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE FOR 2025. WE BELIEVE THAT IN TERMS OF OPPORTUNITIES TO HELP OFFSET, TO MAKE THIS BUDGET NEUTRAL OR POTENTIALLY EVEN WHERE IT OFFSETS EVEN INTO THE 500,000 IS OUR DEPARTMENTS AND DEPARTMENT CONTACT THAT WE'VE HAD THROUGHOUT THIS FISCAL YEAR SINCE MR. FINCH AND I HAVE BEEN HERE. AND OUR DIALOG IN TERMS OF IDENTIFYING POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR EXPENDITURE REDUCTIONS CONTRACT REVISITING TO LOOK AT ARE WE GETTING THE BEST VALUE IN TERMS OF EXPENDITURES? CERTAINLY. IF THERE IS ANY REDUCTION IN OVERALL SALARIES AND BENEFITS BUDGET AS A RESULT OF THE VACANCIES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FILL, BUT THEY'RE STILL REMAINING. THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES FOR CLAWBACK THERE AS WELL. BUT WE DID WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION WITH THIS COUNCIL IN TERMS OF DIFFERENT CHALLENGES THAT WE'RE SEEING, EVEN IN OUR FORMULATION STAGE, WITH PUTTING THE 25 BUDGET TOGETHER. IF I CAN JUST PIGGYBACK JUST SO, FOR INSTANCE, LIKE THIS BUDGET WAS PREPARED, WHAT, 30, 45 DAYS AGO, WHATEVER IT IS, EVEN OVER THAT TIME PERIOD, WE'VE MADE OFFERS OF EMPLOYMENT FOR NEW INDIVIDUALS AS WE CONTINUE TO REBUILD THE TEAM AND FILL DIFFERENT POSITIONS. AND SO EVEN SOME OF THE NUMBERS IN THE 25 BUDGET ARE GOING TO BE SOME CHALLENGES IN TERMS OF OF THOSE SALARY EXPECTATIONS AND STUFF. AND SO, YOU KNOW, BUDGETS ARE ALWAYS A FLUID DOCUMENT. THEY'RE ALWAYS A GUIDE. WE WE DO OUR BEST. BUT EVENTUALLY I'M CERTAIN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME TO YOU WITH SOME BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS AS WE GO THROUGH THE YEAR. BUT, YOU KNOW, CITY MANAGER, IS IT TRUE TO SAY BECAUSE OF OUR OTHER BEST SOUTHWEST CITIES? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, FOR INSTANCE, POLICE AND IN TERMS OF OTHER CITIES, I MEAN, THEY'VE THEY'VE TAKEN SOME SIGNIFICANT STRETCHES THAT, THAT THAT WERE AS WE WERE ALWAYS KIND OF HERE. AND THEY REALLY RAISED IT UP SIGNIFICANTLY. YES. SO YOU THE COUNCIL KNOWS I SENT YOU, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS 2 OR 3 WEEKS AGO. I SENT YOU AN EXCEL SPREADSHEET. I HAD ASKED HR TO DO A SALARY SURVEY FOR ME, THE BEST SOUTHWEST CITIES FOR SOME OF OUR PREDOMINANT POSITIONS, OUR LEADERSHIP POSITIONS, AS WELL AS A VARIETY OF OTHER POSITIONS. THAT'S A PRACTICE I'VE USUALLY ALWAYS DONE DURING THE BUDGET TIME. AND GENERALLY SPEAKING, WE'RE PAYING ABOUT 80 TO 85% OF THE OTHER BEST SOUTHWEST CITIES. WE'RE NOT. WE'RE BASICALLY AT THE BOTTOM OF THE ROCK RIGHT NOW. WE'RE USUALLY CITY NUMBER 9 OR 11, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU LOOK AT IT. WITH THE BEST SOUTHWEST CITIES AND SOME OF THE SURROUNDING CITIES IN TERMS OF PAY. THAT'S NOT ALWAYS THE CASE. SOME DEPARTMENTS WERE NOT FINANCE. IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE. WE'RE NOT WE'RE ACTUALLY RIGHT ON PAR. BUT SO I'M CURRENTLY LOOKING DEPARTMENT BY DEPARTMENT. I CAN TELL YOU THERE'S SOME CHALLENGES WITH IT. BUDGET. THERE'S SOME CHALLENGES WITH HUMAN RESOURCE BUDGET. AS I'M GOING THROUGH THOSE THOSE ARE SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS WE'LL NEED TO HAVE. BUT YOU KNOW, I'VE SHARED WITH YOU MANY TIMES, THE FOUR OF US, THE FOUR CITY MANAGERS, THE BEST SOUTHWEST WE MEET EVERY SINGLE MONDAY. AND THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS WE TALK ABOUT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT TRYING TO POACH EACH OTHER'S EMPLOYEES. [01:25:05] WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO WORK TO ELEVATE THE ENTIRE BEST SOUTHWEST. BUT WE START TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS AND LIKE EVEN I'LL GIVE YOU A PERFECT EXAMPLE, LANCASTER IS GETTING READY TO HIRE 18 NEW FIREFIGHTERS. AND I SAID, PLEASE DON'T STEAL OUR FIREFIGHTERS, RIGHT? AND SO WE GOT INTO A WHOLE CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT AMONG THE CITY MANAGERS ABOUT, OKAY, DUNCANVILLE PAY MIGHT BE A LITTLE LESS THAN THE OTHER THREE BEST SOUTHWEST CITIES, BUT WE NOW HAVE 48, 96. SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR ALTERNATIVE THAT THEY DON'T HAVE. RIGHT. SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR ALTERNATIVES TO TRY TO BE COMPETITIVE, EVEN THOUGH WE MAY NOT BE THE TOP PAYING CITY IN THE BEST SOUTHWEST. AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON THAT, THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO FIX IN ONE YEAR. OKAY. AGAIN, AS PROMISED, MOVING INTO DISCUSSIONS ON INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS STARTING WITH THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL. AND SO, AGAIN, WE JUST LOOKED AT THE EXPENDITURES BY TYPE. OVER HALF OF THE EXPENDITURES FOR THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL'S BUDGET IS MADE UP IN THE SUPPLIES, MATERIALS OTHER FINANCING USES BUT ALSO ABOUT 35% IN THE CONTRACTUAL AND PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. AND AGAIN, JUST A HOUSEKEEPING NOTE. YOU KNOW, I DEFINITELY HIGHLIGHT THE THE AREAS THAT WE'LL BREAK INTO FOR EACH DEPARTMENT. SO SPECIFICALLY FOR MAYOR AND COUNCIL, WHEN WE LOOK AT WHERE THEY WERE VERSUS THE ADOPTED BUDGET OF 24, IT WAS FLAT. SO AGAIN, JUST HONING IN THE 59,000 FROM THE CONTRACTUAL PROFESSIONAL SERVICES LINE. WHAT MAKES UP THAT NUMBER? IT'S PRIMARILY IN MEMBERSHIP DUES AMONGST THE VARIOUS GROUPS THAT YOU SEE ON THE SLIDE FOR A TOTAL OF A LITTLE MORE THAN 34,000. AND THEN, AS WELL AS PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT, WE LOOK AT THE 97,000 THAT IS IN THE BUDGET FOR TRAINING. AGAIN, THAT'S PRIMARILY MADE UP OF TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES FOR THIS COUNCIL RETREATS AS WELL AS AN AREA OF THE BUDGET FOR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS AREA SPECIFICALLY BEFORE MOVING ON? YES, MA'AM. BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. APPRECIATION FOR 2000. WE WE INSTITUTED THAT BECAUSE I DON'T RECALL US HAVING BOARDS AND COMMISSION APPRECIATION IN THE LAST FEW YEARS. ARE WE BRINGING THAT BACK? YES, THAT IS THE INTENTION. THANK YOU. HAPPY TO SEE THAT. ALL RIGHT. ARE YOU LOOKING AT THE 4500? THE THE 45. THE 97, 200. IT'S LISTED. BROKEN DOWN. 4500 500 BOARDS AND COMMISSION APPRECIATION. WELL, THAT'S UNDER THE BULLET POINT OF TRAINING. AND I DON'T SEE ANYTHING ON THERE FOR BOARDS AND COMMISSION TRAINING. COUNCIL TRAINING. BUT WHERE DO WE HAVE SOMETHING TO PUT ASIDE FOR? BECAUSE WE'VE IDENTIFIED IN MANY INTERVIEWS THAT TRAINING IS AN ISSUE, BUT I DON'T SEE MONEY SET ASIDE FOR BOARDS AND COMMISSION TRAINING. THERE IS MONEY IN THE BUDGET FOR THAT. IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A KIND OF A BOTTOM LINE BUDGET HERE. SO WE HAVE FLEXIBILITY WITHIN THAT TO ENSURE THAT YOU PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, THE TRAINING FOR THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. NOT RIGHT NOW, BUT CAN WE ACTUALLY GET THAT NUMBER. HOW MUCH GOES TOWARDS. BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ROTATING THROUGH OR GET INTERVIEWED. A LOT OF PEOPLE RECENTLY AND SOME OF THESE BOARDS ESPECIALLY NEED TRAINING AND ORIENTATION. AND THE COST INCURRED WITH THAT, WHETHER IT'S OUR CITY ATTORNEY. OR SOMEBODY ELSE. SO I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT THAT ACTUAL NUMBER FOR THE MONEY. COMMITTED TO TRAINING FOR BOARD AND COMMISSION MEMBERS. WE CAN GET THAT. I KNOW THAT OCTOBER 2ND, DIRECTOR AND DIRECTOR WARREN AND I JUST ENDED UP. JUST HAVING THAT EXACT CONVERSATION ABOUT EVEN, LIKE, THERE'S SOME MONEY IN. PLANNING. THERE'S SOME MONEY IN ZONING AND MAKING SURE THAT EITHER. WHETHER IT'S OUR CITY ATTORNEY OR SOMEBODY ELSE COMES TO THEM AND DOES SOME. TRAINING WITH SO MANY NEW MEMBERS. SO THAT'S AN ACTIVE CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE ALSO HAVING. WE CAN PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER THAT HAS THE OVERALL AND ALSO HIGHLIGHT THAT. SO WE HAVE LIAISONS WITH VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS. AND HISTORICALLY AND WHEN I WAS IN HR, I BUDGETED FOR CIVIL SERVICE TO TAKE THE CIVIL SERVICE CONFERENCE, FOR EXAMPLE. I THINK PARKS AND REC DOES THE SAME THING FOR THEIR KEEP DUNCAN BEAUTIFUL BOARD. YOU KNOW, THEY DO BUDGET FOR THOSE KIND OF CONFERENCE TRAININGS FOR THEIR SPECIFIC BOARDS. BUT THIS WOULD BE MORE GLOBAL PROBLEMS IN TRAINING. RIGHT. THANK YOU. [01:30:01] YES. AT SOME POINT, I REQUESTED SOME DETAIL AS FAR AS THE COUNCIL'S EXPENSES AND LIKE, WITH THE PLANNING AND TRAINING AND DEVELOPMENT. SO I DON'T GO TO EVERY HTML. I DON'T GO TO EVERY NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES. I KNOW OTHERS DON'T. AND SO JUST LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO FIND FUNDS FOR EMPLOYEE APPRECIATION. SO I HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY MANAGER AS WE GO THROUGH THE YEAR. IF WE COULD LOOK AT USING WHAT WE'RE NOT USING FOR TRAINING AND ETC. FOR EMPLOYEE APPRECIATION. AND I THINK THE CITY MANAGER'S BEEN ASKING THE EMPLOYEES WHAT WOULD THEY LIKE TO SEE. SO THAT MAY BE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT I'VE SEEN, BUT I'VE SEEN EMPLOYEE ACKNOWLEDGMENT ON A, ON A WEBSITE THAT YOU ACTUALLY POINTED OUT SPECIFIC EMPLOYEES AND TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THEM AND LET THEM TALK. IS THIS SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN THAT? THIS WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. YES. OKAY. THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING, WHETHER IT'S AN EVENT OR WHATEVER THE CASE, THE KIND OF BUSINESS YOU'RE DOING. YOU'VE DONE A SURVEY. WE DO. WE HAVE AN EMPLOYEE ADVISORY TEAM WHO'S TALKING. ABOUT AND FOR INSTANCE, I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. THE FEEDBACK THAT I'VE RECEIVED IS THAT THE ANNUAL CHRISTMAS PARTY, FOR INSTANCE, WHERE THE CITY COUNCIL PERMIT, THAT MAY NOT BE THEIR MOST FAVORITE THING OR WAY OF RECEIVING APPRECIATION, YOU KNOW. AND SO MAYBE WE NEED TO RETHINK ABOUT SOME DIFFERENT THINGS. SO I'D LIKE TO SEE US. I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ATTRACTING HIRING, BUT WE'D ALSO BE DOING A LOT TO PUT A LOT MORE THOUGHT INTO RETENTION AND TO FINDING DIFFERENT WAYS TO SHOW OUR CURRENT EMPLOYEES WE APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. VERY VALUABLE. GOOD TALK. GOOD TALK. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE MOVING ON? SO AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND LOOKING AT THE OVERALL PROPOSED BUDGET HERE. AGAIN, WE'RE BREAKING DOWN. YOU CAN SEE THE PRETTY MUCH THE THE BUDGET ITSELF. 94% OF IT IS IN THE SALARY AND BENEFIT CATEGORY. YOU KNOW, GOING IN IN TERMS OF KIND OF PEELING BACK THAT ONION CERTAINLY ADDED A PROJECT MANAGER IN FISCAL YEAR 24. SO THE PLAN TO CONTINUE OUT WITH THAT INTO FISCAL YEAR 25. AND ALSO ADDED INTERNS INTO THE BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 25 AS WELL. HONING IN ON THE CONTRACTUAL AND PROFESSIONAL SERVICES IN TERMS OF HOW THAT BREAKS OUT. THE MAJORITY, AGAIN FOR CITY MANAGERS AS WELL. ALMOST $12,000 OF IT IS IN THE MEMBERSHIP FEES FOR ICMA, TEXAS CITY MANAGER'S ASSOCIATION, AS WELL AS OTHERS, AS WELL AS $4,000 FOR STAFF, PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND THE TRAINING BUDGET OR TRAINING AS PART OF WHAT IS IN OTHER USES, IS FOR CITY MANAGER AND STAFF OF THAT OFFICE TO GO FOR THE VARIOUS TRAININGS OFFERED FOR ICMA, NLC, HTML, ETC.. SO I'LL STOP HERE. ANY QUESTIONS ON THE CITY MANAGER? THAT'S GOOD. THAT'S GOOD. THERE WAS SOME OTHER CHANGES THAT I DON'T SEE LISTED LIKE WE HAVE ON PAGE 43. TWO ASSISTANT CITY MANAGERS. AND THEN THREE OF THE ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER. POSITION THREE, PAGE 43. PAGE. I'M SORRY. SO HAS THAT BEEN ELIMINATED? IT'S IT'S THE REASON THEY'RE NOT SHOWING IT ON THERE IS BECAUSE IT'S NOT A BUDGETARY IMPACT. BUT, YES, THAT IS PROPOSED SO THAT THE ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER POSITION WOULD BE ELIMINATED AND THERE WOULD BE TWO ASSISTANT CITY MANAGERS, BUT THEY WOULD BE BUDGET NEUTRAL. I THINK I SHARED WITH COUNCIL PRIOR DISCUSSING THAT IT'S IT'S A COMBINATION OF APPROXIMATELY $280,000. THOSE TWO POSITIONS IS WHAT'S BUDGETED. AND THEN SPLITTING THOSE IN HALF FOR TWO ASSISTANT CITY MANAGERS, ONE FOCUSED ON COMMUNITY COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, COMMUNITY RELATIONS, ONE FOCUSED ON INTERNAL OPERATIONS. THERE IS ALSO A SHARE WITH YOU, THE PROJECT MANAGER POSITION THAT IS CURRENTLY VACANT WITH SOME CHANGES. THAT IS STILL BUDGETED IN HERE. BUT DIRECTOR BRYANT AND I HAVE BEEN HAVING SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT REALLY KIND OF REVAMPING THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AS WE'RE MAKING SOME CHANGES THERE. [01:35:03] AND SO IT'S IN THERE AS A PLACEHOLDER RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE SOMETHING WE NEED TO FUND THROUGH CITY ADMINISTRATION. IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN INCORPORATE, BUT THAT'S OKAY. SO THAT WE WILL STILL HAVE A POSITION. IT WOULD JUST BE ABSORBED BY ANOTHER DEPARTMENT. AND BECAUSE I KNOW WE GOT IT BECAUSE OF ENERGY AND THE DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT WE NEED, THAT'S WHAT STARTED THE CONVERSATION. OKAY. WAS THERE ANY OTHER CHANGES? SO ANYTHING ANYWAY, WHAT'S GOING TO BE LISTED ON HERE? THE BUDGET CHANGES, NOT WHAT REMAINS BUDGET NEUTRAL. IT'S JUST GOING TO BE WHAT YOU'RE HIGHLIGHTING OR JUST WHAT'S GOING TO IMPACT THE BUDGET. THE FISCAL YEAR VERSUS WHAT YOU'RE HIGHLIGHTING ON THE SCREEN. RIGHT. OKAY. YES. SO WHAT WE WANTED TO DO, COUNCIL MEMBER GOODEN, IS WE WANTED TO CERTAINLY PEEL BACK THE ONION ON WHAT AGAIN, THIS TABLE IS WHAT WAS PRESENTED IN THE BUDGET IN THE BUDGET BOOK. BUT HONING IN ON SPECIFIC LINES IN TERMS OF LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE IN THIS CASE, WHAT MADE UP LIKE, LIKE SOME OF THE LARGER DOLLAR VALUES. AND TO GIVE A HIGHLIGHT OF WHAT COMPRISED THE MAJORITY OF WHAT YOU SEE HERE IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE ADJUSTMENTS OR IN SOME CASES, JUST LIKE IF IF THE CONTRACTUAL SERVICES NUMBER WAS THE HIGHEST EXPENDITURE LINE OUTSIDE OF SALARY AND BENEFITS, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE MAIN FACTORS THAT MADE IT UP? SO CERTAINLY, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT ISN'T COVERED ON THE SLIDE THAT THAT YOU OR CERTAINLY ANY OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE IN THE NOTES FOR FOR DISCUSSION, THAT WILL CERTAINLY TAKE THOSE QUESTIONS AND ANSWER. IF WE HAVE DIRECTORS HERE TO KIND OF HELP US UNDER THE BUS. THAT'S WHY I STARTED WITH THE CITY MANAGER. YOU SAW THAT SHIFT IN REVERSE. I CALLED IT, BUT THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE? OKAY. CITY SECRETARY'S BUDGET. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS, IT'S THE IMPACT IN TERMS OF PROPOSED VERSUS LAST YEAR'S BUDGET IS PRETTY MUCH FLAT VERSUS THE REVISED BUDGET. BUT WHEN WE TAKE IT VERSUS THE ADOPTED BUDGET, IT'S ACTUALLY ABOUT A 7.5% DECREASE. GOING IN AGAIN, WANTED TO FOCUS IN ON THE SUPPLIES AND MATERIALS AND CONTRACTING AND PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. DOLLAR FIGURES THAT MAKE UP THE MAJORITY OF THE NON-SALARY BUDGET. AGAIN, FIRST OF ALL, WITH SUPPLIES. AGAIN, TALKING BEFORE THAT, WE HAD MOVED THE SOFTWARE EXPENDITURES FROM WHAT WERE PREVIOUSLY IN CONTRACTUAL IN IN THE CITY SECRETARY'S BUDGET INTO THE SUPPLIES BUDGET. SO THIS IS WHERE YOU'RE SEEING SOME OF THE IMPACT WHEN LOOKING AT IT VERSUS LAST YEAR. IN TERMS OF THE ACTUAL COST THE LASERFICHE PROGRAM, THE FOIA PROGRAM AND I COMPASS AGAIN, ARE THE EXPENDITURES THAT MAKE UP THE MAJORITY OF THE SUPPLY EXPENDITURE AMOUNT IN THE BUDGET. MOVING ON TO CONTRACTUAL AND PROFESSIONAL SERVICES BUDGET OF ABOUT 74 A LITTLE MORE THAN $74,000. AGAIN, ABOUT 80% OF IT IS IN THE ELECTION EXPENSE EXPENDITURES THAT WE HAVE BUDGETED FOR FISCAL YEAR 25. SO I'LL STOP HERE AT THIS POINT AND SEE IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY WITH THE CITY SECRETARY. YES, SIR. QUICK QUESTION. YES, SIR. IS THERE ANY ANTICIPATION FOR THE ELECTION EXPENSES TO GO DOWN? AND THE REASON WHY I'M ASKING THAT, BECAUSE WE'VE MADE THE SUGGESTION THAT IT'S LIKE, I KNOW IT'S A DALLAS COUNTY THING, BUT I'VE ALSO SEEN I THINK THEY'RE REALIZING THEY NEED TO REDUCE DOWN THE NUMBER OF POLLING PLACES. WELL, I JUST HAVE THE DETAIL PULLED UP HERE ON THE SCREEN. THE 60,120 ACTUALLY IS A REDUCTION VERSUS 24, WHICH WAS AT 77,000. SO THAT ACTUALLY DOES FACTOR INTO 60,000. AND TYPICALLY WE'VE WE'VE BUDGET A LITTLE EXTRA IN THERE IN CASE WE HAVE A RUNOFF ELECTION, THEN THE LAST TWO YEARS WE HAVE NOT HAD THAT TOO. SO LOOKING AT WHERE WE ARE ACTUALLY THIS YEAR AND LAST YEAR, WE NEVER HAD A RUNOFF. SO THAT WAS FUN. WE DID NOT MISS. ANY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? GO OVER SUPPLIES FOR ME ONE MORE TIME. SUPPLIES? THAT WAS JUST FOR YOU. [01:40:01] YEAH. OKAY. YES, YES. YEAH. SO. SO AGAIN, WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE INCREASE FROM THE REVISED BUDGET AND FROM 5000 TO 58,000, THAT AGAIN, A LOT OF THESE WERE MOVED. SO WE MADE SURE TO TRY TO RIGHTSIZE IT IN TERMS OF WHERE IT WAS LISTED ON OUR CHART OF ACCOUNTS EXPENDITURES. AND THEN SIMILARLY, YOU SEE THE CONTRACTUAL PROFESSIONAL SERVICES DECLINE WHEN LOOKING AT THIS YEAR'S BUDGET VERSUS WHAT WE'RE PROJECTING FOR 2025. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. THANK YOU. HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT IS NEXT. AND AGAIN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE OVERALL SLIGHT INCREASE OVER 2024. AGAIN BREAKING OUT AS WOULD BE A PRETTY CONSISTENT TREND, CERTAINLY SEEING WE'RE LOOKING AT THE EXPENDITURES BY TYPE THAT THE MAJORITY OF YOUR EXPENDITURES ARE GOING TO BE IN SALARY AND BENEFITS. CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, TAKING ABOUT 94% BETWEEN SALARIES AND CONTRACTUAL PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. AS YOU CAN SEE HERE WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT SPECIFICALLY AS IT RELATES TO BENEFIT CHANGES WE HAVE A PLACEHOLDER SPECIFICALLY IN HR BUDGET THAT WE ADDED $4,000. EXCUSE ME, $40,000 IN BENEFITS FOR EMPLOYEE ONLY DENTAL. SO IN TERMS OF INCREASES FOR THE FOR THE DENTAL THAT THE CITY IS HAVING A PORTION OF EITHER THE EMPLOYEE ONLY OR AGAIN, THAT EQUIVALENT FOR THOSE THAT MAY HAVE EMPLOYEE PLUS SPOUSE EMPLOYEE PLUS FAMILY. SO AGAIN HAVING IT SPECIFICALLY IN HIS BUDGET AS A PLACEHOLDER BECAUSE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR COULD GET SPREAD AMONGST THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS. MOVING DOWN TO CONTRACTUAL PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AT ABOUT $124,000. IS PRIMARILY MADE UP OF ABOUT $90,000 IN PHYSICALS, DRUG HEARINGS, BACKGROUND CHECKS PROMOTIONAL TEST PARTICIPANT FEES, INSURANCE BROKER, AND AN ADDITIONAL $25,000 IN HAVING A BUDGET FOR CITYWIDE PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT. CERTAINLY AGAIN, MR. FINCH HAS SPOKE WITH ALL DIRECTORS IN TERMS OF THE IMPORTANCE AND THE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE INVESTING IN OUR EMPLOYEES ONCE THEY'RE IN, ONCE THEY'RE IN OUR BUILDING, THAT IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT HOPEFULLY ACCOMPLISHING THE WORK AND DOING AND PUTTING GOOD WORK TOGETHER, BUT THAT WE HAVE AN EYE ON CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT AND CONTINUING EDUCATION. AND SO THAT 25,000 IS BUDGETED FOR CITYWIDE PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT THAT HR WOULD HAVE TO LEAD ON FOR VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS THROUGHOUT THE, THROUGHOUT THE CITY. AND CERTAINLY ON TRAINING AND EMPLOYEE APPRECIATION. EXCUSE ME. OH. YES, SIR. I'M SORRY, COUNCILMAN. I'M SORRY. YES, SIR. ACTUALLY, SOUNDED LIKE YOU MAYBE WERE ABOUT TO START TO ANSWER MY QUESTION. SO YOU'RE ABOUT TO TALK ABOUT EMPLOYEE APPRECIATION, SO. YES. SO MAYBE I'LL JUST LET YOU TALK AND YOU MIGHT ANSWER. OKAY. WELL, AGAIN, IN TERMS OF WHAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE HUMAN RESOURCES BUDGET, WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS AND AGAIN THIS WILL BE IN THE OTHER USES CATEGORY. SO ON TRAINING AND EMPLOYEE APPRECIATION SPECIFICALLY ABOUT 30 A LITTLE MORE THAN $30,000. YOU KNOW, $88,000, A LITTLE MORE IN CIVIL SERVICE TRAINING. TM HRA, HTML TRAINING. BUT THEN AGAIN, THE 22 A LITTLE MORE THAN 22,000. AND AS WE HAD TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, RIGHT NOW, WHAT IS FORECASTED, THE ANNUAL CHRISTMAS LUNCHEON, RETIREMENT AND MILESTONE AWARDS. BUT GIVEN GIVEN THE DIALOG THAT MR. FINCH HAD ALREADY ALLUDED TO, YOU KNOW, WE CERTAINLY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE'RE PUTTING FORTH FROM AN EXPENDITURE STANDPOINT KIND OF FACTORS INTO WHAT WE'RE LISTENING TO AND THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'RE GETTING FROM OUR EMPLOYEES. YES. I MEAN, AGAIN, I DON'T MEAN TO GO ON AND ON ABOUT THIS, BUT I REALLY HOPE THAT WE CAN UNDERLINE HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS. AND I WAS GOING TO ASK ABOUT THE EMPLOYEE RECOGNITION PROGRAM AND SEE WHAT WHAT THAT INVOLVES. AND SEE, THAT'S A GOAL FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. SO EXACTLY WHAT WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? AND IS THAT IS THAT PART OF THIS BUDGET OR WOULD THAT HAVE ITS OWN BUDGET. SO PART OF THAT IS, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO GO BACK TO THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT STEPS HERE. AND OBVIOUSLY WITH A REVAMP OF THE HUMAN RESOURCE DEPARTMENT WITH A NEW DIRECTOR, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, WE'RE KIND OF WORKING THROUGH AS WE KIND OF GO THROUGH SOME [01:45:05] TRANSITIONS, THE 25,000 FOR PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT THAT SPECIFICALLY IS EARMARKED TO REALLY HELP TRAIN ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES ON THE CUSTOMER SERVICE MINDSET. WE'RE HERE TO SERVE OUR RESIDENTS. WE'RE HERE TO WHATEVER IT IS THAT THEY NEED, REALLY GET THEM THINKING ABOUT WHAT CAN WE DO TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND AND REALLY BE HERE FOR OUR RESIDENTS. AND SO THAT'S ACTUALLY BRINGING SOME FOLKS IN BASED ON SOME ESTIMATES THAT WE GOT IN TERMS OF WHETHER IT'S EMERGING LEADERS PROGRAM OR IT'S THE CUSTOMER SERVICE PROGRAM AND DOING SOME TRAINING HERE. SO THEN THEN GOING TO THE OTHER PIECE OF IT, THE THE MILESTONE AWARDS. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THERE'S BEEN SOME OF THOSE TYPES OF THINGS IN THE PAST. I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE ONGOING CONVERSATIONS, YOU KNOW, LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, THIS YEAR I'LL SHARE WITH YOU THE EMPLOYEE ADVISORY TEAM. ONE THING THEY DID, I FORGET HOW MUCH IT WAS. IT WAS 500, 400, $500. THEY WENT OUT ONE DAY AND GOT LIKE ICE CREAM CONES FOR EVERYBODY AND JUST WENT THROUGH ON DAIRY DAY, JUNE IN JUNE, JUST TO SHOW THE EMPLOYEES HOW MUCH THEY APPRECIATED THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. SO IT'S REALLY KIND OF ALSO LETTING THEM TELL US WHAT THEY THINK IS IMPORTANT. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING WITH THIS EMPLOYEE ADVISORY TEAM THAT WE CREATED. THEY MEET EVERY SINGLE MONTH. AGAIN, YOU GUYS HAVE HEARD ME SAY IT CONTINUOUSLY, BUT WE'RE IN A PERIOD OF TRANSITION WITH ALL THIS. AND SO I KNOW THAT THE NEW HUMAN RESOURCE DIRECTOR HAS SOME IDEAS ABOUT THAT TOO, THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL IN, IN REALLY KIND OF TAKING THAT TO THE NEXT LEVEL AND WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE. AND CURRENTLY THAT PROGRAM WAS STARTED UNDER CITY ADMINISTRATION. BUT I WOULD IMAGINE THAT MOVING OVER WITH OUR NEW RESOURCE DIRECTOR HERE, THIS BUDGET. SO SOME OF THIS IS PLACEHOLDER, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, IN TERMS OF THE BUDGET, THAT ALL THE DETAILS HAVEN'T BEEN WORKED OUT YET. SPECIFICS. YES, MA'AM. SO THEN I KNOW WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT JUST A SECOND AGO, IT WAS PROPOSED THAT WHATEVER WE HAVE LEFT OVER IN COUNCIL'S BUDGET, THAT IT WOULD GO TOWARD SOMETHING LIKE THIS. BUT YOU'VE ALREADY HAD IT WORKED INTO THE BUDGET. SO THE REMAINING BALANCE WE FIND SOMETHING ELSE TO DO IF NEEDED. OKAY. YES, MA'AM. I LIKE THE IDEA OF JUST. NO, I LIKE I SUPPORT APPRECIATING CITY EMPLOYEES. WE ARE VALUED. ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? YES, SIR. IT'S ONE OF THE QUESTIONS. SO DOES BLUE CROSS. BLUE SHIELD, DO THEY. DO THEY PROVIDE WELLNESS PROGRAMING LIKE LUNCH AND LEARNS? I HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT. OVER HERE. ANDRE HENRY, OUR DIRECTOR. IF WE HAVEN'T MET. BLUE CROSS, BLUE SHIELD ONE. I NEED TO LOOK AT THE NUMBERS FOR THE NEXT YEAR. THEY ACTUALLY PROVIDE US A WELLNESS BUDGET THAT THEY REIMBURSE EXPENSES IF WE DO PROGRAMING FOR OUR WELLNESS PROGRAM. THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE BEGUN TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THIS PAST YEAR. IN FACT, I'VE GOT A NOTE ON MY DESK TO SEND THEM SOME RECEIPTS FOR REIMBURSEMENTS FOR OUR WELLNESS PROGRAM. AND WE'VE GOT SOME IDEAS THAT WE'RE WANTING TO WORK WITH OUR NEW HR DIRECTOR WITH FOR THE FALL AND THE SPRING RELATED TO THAT, USING THAT WELLNESS BUDGET THAT THEY GIVE US, THAT THEY'LL REIMBURSE US AS WELL, AS THEY HAVE VARIOUS APPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT GO OUT TO EMPLOYEES VIA EMAIL TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF BLUE CROSS BLUE SHIELD RESOURCES THAT THEY MAKE AVAILABLE TO ANYBODY WHO'S ENROLLED IN THEIR BENEFITS. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'M MOVING INTO OUR IT BUDGET. SO THE BREAKOUT OF THE EXPENDITURES IS PRETTY DIVERSE FOR FOR IT BECAUSE OF THE PROGRAMING, THE SOFTWARE, THE VARIOUS IT CONTRACTS. SO AGAIN, WHILE SALARY AND BENEFITS MAKES UP THE MAJORITY OF THEIRS WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT A PERCENTAGE BASIS AGAIN SMALLER DEPARTMENT. BUT IN TERMS OF THOSE THOSE SERVICES AND THOSE CONTRACTS, IT'S A CITY WIDE EXPENDITURE. AND NOT JUST FOR CERTAINLY IT WHEN LOOKING AT OVERALL A SLIGHT DECREASE OVER THE ADOPTED BUDGET, BUT AGAIN, RELATIVELY FLAT WHEN WE LOOK AT THE SUPPLIES BUDGET TOTAL OF 304,000 145,000 OF IT IS OUR ANNUAL MAINTENANCE AND LICENSE FEES FOR TYLER TECHNOLOGIES. THAT IS OUR MAIN ERP SYSTEMS AND SOFTWARE THAT IS USED HERE FOR THE CITY, AS WELL AS ABOUT 97,500 FOR THE LICENSES ACROSS THE CITY. FOR THAT WE USE FOR OFFICE 365. LOOKING AT THE CONTRACTUAL AND PROFESSIONAL LINE OF THE 222,000, WHAT PRIMARILY COMPRISES THAT 90,000 IS IN OUR DATA [01:50:05] AND SELL PLANS FOR THE CITY. SO FROM FIELD STAFF, OFFICE STAFF, POLICE AND FIRE. AND THOSE CONTRACTS, AS WELL AS $50,000 EXPENDITURE FOR NETWORK AND PHONE SUPPORT, AND WORKING WITH OUR THIRD PARTY CONSULTATION FOR THAT, AS WELL AS 21,000 FOR OUR ANNUAL NETWORK SECURITY ASSESSMENTS TO EVALUATE AND HOPEFULLY TO HELP ENSURE THAT WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE IN THAT IN THAT REGARD FROM OUR UTILITIES BUDGET FOR IT. $75,000 IS RELATED TO THE CITY'S PHONE SYSTEM THAT WE USE THROUGH RINGCENTRAL. AND THEN FINALLY, ON THE MAINTENANCE PORTION OF THE BUDGET 348, A LITTLE MORE THAN 348,000. THE PRIMARY FACTORS THERE 140,000 FOR THE SWAGIT PROGRAM, 62,000 2004 ANNUAL MAINTENANCE OF OUR CAMERA AND SECURITY SYSTEMS, AS WELL AS THE BUILDING ACCESS TECHNOLOGY THAT WE HAVE FOR THE BUILDINGS THROUGHOUT OUR FACILITIES THROUGHOUT THE CITY, AS WELL AS $65,000 FOR OUR INTERNET AND CONNECTIVITY COSTS. AND AGAIN, THESE COSTS ARE CITYWIDE. ANY QUESTIONS IN RELATION TO IT OR. RICHARD. WELL, LET ME START WITH THE TWO THINGS, BUT LET ME START WITH COUNCIL MEMBER MARK BURNETT'S QUESTION WAS THE THE CAD, THE RCC THAT'S NOT IN THIS PORTION. THAT'S THE LEASE THAT'S IN PLACE. OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THE OTHER THING I JUST WANT TO MAKE COUNCIL AWARE OF SOMETHING. I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T SAVE THE CHANGES. WE, RICHARD AND I, AS WE, AS WE STARTED MEETING WITH EVERY SINGLE DEPARTMENT WITH JENNIFER AND GOING THROUGH THIS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT. CHIEF STOCKER, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO SPEAK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THIS. A FRUSTRATION FOR SOME OF THE DEPARTMENTS PREVIOUSLY WAS THE WAY IT WAS BEING FUNDED. AND, YOU KNOW, WHO BETTER TO KNOW WHETHER OR NOT HE HAS A NEW POLICE OFFICER STARTING OR NOT AND WHAT THE COMPUTER NEEDS OR TECHNOLOGY NEEDS WOULD BE THAN THE CHIEF. BUT THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT WAS NECESSARILY BEING OPERATED BEFORE. SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO THROUGH THIS BUDGET IS MAKE A TRANSITION TO THAT TYPE OF A MODEL VERSUS WHAT IT WAS BEFORE. DO YOU WANT TO JUST TOUCH ON THAT? SO WE HAVE OBVIOUSLY WHEN WE HIRE A NEW EMPLOYEE WE ONBOARD THEM. AND BY DOING THAT THAT ALSO INCLUDES ANY IT ITEM SUPPLIES THINGS OF THAT NATURE. UNTIL WE GET THAT THAT PERSON CANNOT DO THEIR FUNCTION AT IN PREVIOUS YEARS WE HAD AN IT REPLACEMENT FUND THAT WAS USED, BUT MOST RECENTLY I SAY MOST RECENTLY PREVIOUSLY WE HAD A DIRECTOR THAT WOULD SAY, NO, YOU NEED TO PUT THAT MONEY IN YOUR BUDGET. BUT THAT WAS DONE MID BUDGET YEAR, SO THERE WAS NO WAY FOR US TO FUND THAT, BECAUSE NOW I'M PULLING MONEY FROM OTHER RESOURCES IN MY BUDGET TO TRY TO FUND THAT ASSET, TO BE ABLE TO GET THIS PERSON ONBOARDED AND WORK. AND THEN SOMETIMES DIRECTORS WERE EVEN BEING TOLD NO BY THE IT DIRECTOR THAT THERE WEREN'T FUNDS IN THE IT BUDGET. IT IT BECAME QUITE CONVOLUTED AND IT WAS PROBABLY ONE OF THE NUMBER ONE COMPLAINTS I HEARD FROM DIRECTORS WHEN I STARTED. SO WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD IT BACK SO THAT, YES, THE MONEY IS STILL END UP WITH THE IT REPLACEMENT FUND, YADA YADA. BUT THE DIRECTORS ARE BUDGETING FOR THEIR NEEDS IN THEIR DEPARTMENTS. AND THAT THAT WAS IN TERMS OF DOUG AND I BRINGING OUR EXPERIENCES AND OUR RESPECTIVE MUNICIPALITIES IN THAT AREA OF THE BUDGET RESTING WITH THE DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE, AGAIN, AS THEY'RE PLANNING FOR THE POTENTIAL POSITIONS THAT THEY'RE BUILDING THAT INTO THE BUDGET SO WE CAN ENSURE THAT IT'S THERE. ANY OTHER? OH, YES, MA'AM. I'M SORRY. SO YOU SAID BUILD IT BACK INTO THE BUDGET. SO IN THIS PROPOSED BUDGET, IT'S ALREADY BUILT IN THAT THAT OLD PROCESS HAS BEEN ELIMINATED. WE'RE NOT BUILDING IT. IT'S ALREADY BUILT. DIRECTORS HAVE ALREADY MADE THEIR REQUEST IN HERE. I WAS GOING TO SAY, HOW ARE WE GOING TO CLOSE THE GAP HERE? SO YEAH, IN THIS YEAR'S IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, IT'S PART OF THE INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS. YES. OKAY. PERFECT. ANY OTHER IT QUESTIONS? OKAY. MOVING ON TO COMMUNICATIONS AND THE PLUGIN. THERE'S NOT ENOUGH MONEY IN THERE FOR IT. JUST I JUST GOT THROWN OUT. BUT SO THAT'S WHAT I AM. I AM CONCERNED ABOUT IT. I, WE VERY WELL KNOW THAT EVERY SINGLE DEPARTMENT AND SO IT'S GOING TO BE AN ONGOING CONVERSATION. [01:55:10] IN OUR COMMUNICATIONS AND MARKETING. AGAIN, LOOKING FROM AN OVERALL BUDGET PERSPECTIVE, AN INCREASE OVER LAST YEAR. THE COMPOSITION IS AGAIN PRIMARILY IN THE SALARY AND BENEFITS CATEGORY, ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF THE BUDGET COMPOSITION. AND ANOTHER QUARTER OF IT IN SUPPLIES AND MATERIALS. AGAIN, WHAT WE WANT TO LOOK AT AGAIN, WHEN LOOKING AT THE 8000 TO FROM THE REVISED, THE 24 TO THE 134 AND SUPPLIES AND MATERIALS AND THEN ON THE CONTRACTUAL PROFESSIONAL SERVICES 114 TO 59 AGAIN, AS WE SHIFT THE EXPENDITURES INTO WHERE WE FEEL IS THE RIGHT LOCATION FOR THAT ON OUR CHART. ON OUR EXPENDITURE CHART. SO OVERALL, A 17% INCREASE IN 25 BUDGET OVER 24 BUDGET AGAIN WANTED TO FOCUS ON THE SUPPLIERS AREA AND CONTRACTUAL PROFESSIONALS SPECIFICALLY. SO FIRST OF ALL, SUPPLIES THE BUDGET. THAT'S PARTICULARLY MADE UP OF OUR ANNUAL SEECLICKFIX FEES. AGAIN, THAT WAS MOVED FROM CONTRACTUAL THIS YEAR INTO THE SOFTWARE, WHICH IS IN THE SUPPLIES AREA THIS YEAR FOR 25 AND THEN NEW TO THE 2025 BUDGET, IS A SYSTEM FOR SOCIAL MEDIA MANAGEMENT AND ARCHIVING, SO THAT WE HAVE A BETTER PROCESS IN TERMS OF ALEX'S MANEUVERING AS IT RELATES TO SOCIAL MEDIA AND BEING ABLE TO HAVE, I GUESS, A BETTER PROCESS FOR RETAINING THE INFORMATION THAT'S EITHER BEING PUT FORTH OR THAT WE'RE RECEIVING IN AS WELL. AND THEN $20,000 IS A NEW BUDGET ITEM THIS YEAR, AND THAT'S GOING TOWARDS DIFFERENT EVENTS AS WE CONTINUE TO TRY TO EXPAND OUR EFFORTS FOR COMMUNICATION, INTERACTION WITH THE COMMUNITY. SO MEDIA, MEDIA MIXERS OPEN HOUSE FOR CITY HALL AND UPDATING OUR MEETING SIGNAGE AS WELL. MOVING ON TO CONTRACTUAL PROFESSIONAL SERVICES WHAT COMPRISES THAT 59,000 NUMBER FOR 2025? AGAIN A NEW LINE ITEM FOR 25 VERSUS 24, ADDING A NEW AFTER HOURS ANSWERING SERVICE. AGAIN, WE TOUCHED ON SOME IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE WANT TO DO FROM A CUSTOMER SERVICE PERSPECTIVE. WE FEEL THAT THIS IS A NECESSARY PIECE TO ADD IN, AS WELL AS $30,000 FOR PRINTED NEWSLETTERS, POSTCARDS, MAILINGS, AGAIN IN OUR COMMUNICATION AND OUR ACTIVITY WITH OUR RESIDENTS, AND $11,000 FOR PROMOTIONS AND ADVERTISING THAT WE HAVE FOR WHAT IS ALL GOING ON THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF DUNCANVILLE. SO I'LL STOP HERE IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE COMMUNICATION AND MARKETING. SO PRETTY MUCH YOU TRY TO ANSWER AS MUCH OF THE PUBLIC'S CONCERN ABOUT THE LACK OF COMMUNICATION FROM THE CITY. AND THIS IS LIKE, SO WHAT IS A MEDIA MIXER? MR. HANDY'S RIGHT THERE. HAPPY TO TELL YOU. THE IDEA OF A MEDIA MIXER IS TO ENGAGE MORE WITH THE LOCAL MEDIA AND INVITE THEM TO CITY HALL. LET THEM MEET KEY FIGURES AND DO 2 IN 1 DAY AT BREAKFAST MIXER AND A LUNCHTIME MIXER. BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT WHAT THE MEDIA, REPORTERS, CAMERA PEOPLE ARE OUT THERE WORKING DIFFERENT SHIFTS, SO WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT A MORE FACE TO FACE RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM THAN WE CURRENTLY HAVE. THAT'S THE GOAL OF IT. THAT'S INTERESTING. I SEE UNPAID INTERN 0.50.5 HALF A PERSON. OKAY, I THOUGHT THAT WAS PART TIME. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE. YES, SIR. AND AND I DO WANT TO SAY THAT THAT I'M PLEASED TO SEE KIND OF AN INCREASE TOWARDS THIS DIRECTION. BUT BUT TELL ME HOW THE AFTER HOURS ANSWERING SERVICE. WHAT'S THAT? AND WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE PURPOSE? YEAH. OVER THE WEEKEND, WE'RE SEEING 5:00. STAFF IS GONE. PEOPLE ARE STILL CALLING, SO THEY'RE WINDING UP IN VOICEMAILS AND THEY'RE WINDING UP IN VOICEMAILS FOR THINGS THAT ARE THEY CAN GET IMMEDIATE ASSISTANCE WITH. [02:00:02] FOR EXAMPLE, I'VE GOT A DOG IN MY I'VE GOT A DOG IN MY FRONT YARD. WE CAN'T ASSIST THEM AFTER THAT AFTER HOURS, AND WE CAN'T DIRECT THEM TO NON-EMERGENCY. BUT HAVING THE AFTER HOURS ANSWERING SERVICE WOULD ALLOW THEM TO INTERACT WITH SOMEBODY AND GET THE CORRECT INFORMATION. FOR EXAMPLE, THE AFTER HOURS NON-EMERGENCY. I'LL ASK FROM MY RECOLLECTION AND SEE IF IT'S CHANGED THAT AFTER HOURS ANSWERING SERVICE ALSO HAD THE AFTER HOURS NUMBERS FOR PEOPLE THAT CAN COME BACK AND TURN YOUR WATER OFF IF YOU HAVE TO AFTER HOURS. WELL, IT MAY TAKE A WHILE TO GET THEM BACK DOWN AND GET THEIR TRUCK AND GET OUT THERE. THEY CAN COME OUT AFTER HOURS, SO THEY HAVE THAT. AND MATT, YOU'RE PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH IT. THAT'S STILL IN PLACE. YES IT IS. OKAY. SO THAT'S A GREAT THAT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO TAKE CARE OF BUSINESS AFTER HOURS. OTHER THAN JUST HAVING AN ANSWERING SERVICE PERSON, TAKE YOUR NAME AND NUMBER AND SAY, WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU, BECAUSE OFTENTIMES THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT GETTING BACK TO YOU MONDAY. YOU NEED TO ORDER OFF ON FRIDAY AT 10:00 AT NIGHT. THEY'LL SEND PEOPLE OUT. AND THOSE THOSE THOSE SCHEDULES ARE CHANGED ON A REGULAR BASIS. SO AND THAT INFORMATION IS PROVIDED TO THE AFTER HOURS CALL SERVICE SO THAT EVERYTHING IS KEPT UP TO DATE SO WE CAN BE EFFICIENT AND ADDRESSING ISSUES AFTER HOURS AND REALLY NEED TO BE THERE. I WILL SPEAK FOR PUBLIC WORKS. WE RECENTLY, A FEW YEARS AGO MODIFIED OUR TRAVEL POLICY. SO ON CALL PERSONNEL ARE ACTUALLY ALLOWED TO TAKE A CITY VEHICLE HOME IF THEY'RE WITHIN A CERTAIN RADIUS THAT ALLOWS EVEN FASTER RESPONSE TIME. GREAT IDEA. OKAY, I JUST WANT TO MENTION BEFORE WE MOVE ON, WE'RE AT THAT 6:00 HOUR, WHICH TECHNICALLY WOULD HAVE TAKEN US INTO THIS NEXT SO WHAT'S THE COUNCIL'S PLEASURE? WE GOT A LOT TO GO OVER. WE JUST GO AHEAD AND ROLL ON UNTIL WE GET THIS PART OF OUR PRESENTATION DONE. OKAY. NO GROWLING STOMACHS AT THIS POINT. OKAY. OKAY. LET US KNOW WHEN YOU WANT TO TAKE A BREAK. YES. WELL, NO. I THINK WHAT WE'RE HEARING IS WE'LL GO AHEAD AND FINISH THIS UP. HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET IT DONE IN A REASONABLE TIME SO WE CAN GET OUR OTHER BUSINESS IN IN A REASONABLE TIME. MAYOR. YES, SIR. I JUST WANT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR THE DETAIL ON THIS PRESENTATION, BECAUSE WHEN I, I MADE A REQUEST FOR DETAILS, AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I'D ASK FOR. SO I DON'T KNOW, HAVING THIS PRINTED OUT, BEING ABLE TO TAKE IT WITH ME. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, UNLESS PEOPLE HAVE, UNLESS WE HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT ITEMS WE SEE ON HERE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO GO OVER EACH INDIVIDUAL BREAKDOWN. SO OUR PLAN IS TO HAVE ANOTHER, ANOTHER GET TOGETHER. WE DO HAVE 9TH SEPTEMBER FIFTH, AND THAT STARTS AT ANOTHER TIME WHERE WE'LL GET SO WE CAN KIND OF LET THESE LET THESE OTHER THINGS SINK IN SO THAT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WE HAVE AS A RESULT OF GETTING THIS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION CAN BE ADDRESSED AT THAT NEXT SESSION THAT WE HAVE TO TALK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT OUR BUDGET. SO WE CAN DISCUSS DEBATE AND STILL HAVE SOME CHANGES. TIME TO MAKE SOME CHANGES. WELL, MY THOUGHT, IF WE WERE GOING TO CONTINUE NOW THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO LOOK AT THE DETAILS OF THE CONTRACTS UNLESS SOMEONE HAS MAYBE JUST MADE UP. YEAH. WE CERTAINLY. YEAH, IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT. OKAY, I'LL SAY IT. THAT'S THAT'S TRUE. ALL RIGHT. SECOND. YEAH. NO, NO, THE ONLY THING THOUGH, BEFORE WE I JUST DON'T WANT IT TO GO BY WITHOUT MENTIONING IT. WE HAVEN'T MENTIONED IT. SEECLICKFIX. I KNOW COUNCIL'S HAD SOME COMMENTS AND CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT BEFORE. MR. KEYS AND I HAVE HAD CONVERSATION HE'S LOOKING AT AS PART OF OUR NEW INTERGOV SYSTEM. THERE'S A MODULE WITHIN THAT THAT MAY ACTUALLY ALLOW US TO REPLACE SEECLICKFIX ACTUALLY BUILT INTO THE SYSTEM, AND AUTOMATICALLY STREAMLINE SOME STUFF. WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU LATER WITH THAT, BUT WE ARE LOOKING FOR EFFICIENCY IMPROVEMENTS WITH THAT. SO ARE WE AT SOME POINT? NOT NOT TONIGHT. ARE WE GOING TO GET AN UPDATE ON THE PROGRESS OF INTERGOV, WHICH IS LIVE? IT'S LIVE. HOW'S IT GOING? ARE WE GOING TO GET AN UPDATE? WELL, THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE BUMPS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. WE DID HAVE AT LEAST ONE PERSON SAY IT WAS VERY EASY. YES. SO WE'VE HAD AT LEAST ONE PERSON ASKED IF WE COULD RECORD THEM. SO ALEX IS ON IT. HE'S GOING TO RECORD IT. YEAH. SO OUT OF OUT OF OUT OF RESPECT FOR THE FOR THE TIME HERE TODAY. WILL CERTAINLY TRY TO SPEED UP POWER THROUGH HERE, BUT WE WILL FOLLOW UP WITH YOU INDIVIDUALLY IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT WE CAN ANSWER IN ADVANCE OF SEPTEMBER 5TH AS WELL. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. SO WE'RE GOING TO SPEED UP WITH JUST THE HIGHLIGHTS. AND IF I STILL HAVE QUESTIONS WE'RE SAVING THAT UNTIL SEPTEMBER 5TH. [02:05:04] RIGHT. OKAY. RIGHT. AND THE KEYWORD KEYWORD SPEED UP. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. I JUST NEED TO KNOW. CAN I INTERRUPT WITH A QUESTION? YES. NO, NO. WE WE HEARD YOU BEFORE IN TERMS OF HAVING SOME QUESTIONS ON THE BREAKOUT, BUT AND CERTAINLY WE CAN PIVOT IN THIS PRESENTATION THIS MORNING. SO AGAIN, LOOKING AT THE LIBRARY'S BUDGET OVERALL AND JUST A SLIGHT INCREASE, SLIGHTLY FLAT. AGAIN, YOU HAVE IT IN FRONT OF YOU, YOU CAN CONSULT. AND AGAIN, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THE SPECIFIC ITEMS, WE CAN CERTAINLY COVER THAT AT THIS JUST THAT AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME. BUT AGAIN LOOKING AT LIBRARY 25 VERSUS 24, SLIGHT INCREASE 1%, AGAIN RELATIVELY FLAT. LOOKING AT THE CITY MARSHAL'S BUDGET ACTUALLY, IT'S JUST IT'S JUST A SLIGHT DECREASE. REALLY NOT A LOT TO HIS BUDGET OUTSIDE OF, AGAIN, THE SWITCHOVER WHEN YOU LOOK AT SUPPLIES AND CONTRACTS. THAT'S JUST A SWITCHOVER OF THE COMPUTER. EXPENDITURE LINES MOVED UP INTO THE SUPPLIES CATEGORY. OKAY. I'M GOING TO SAVE THIS TILL OUR NEXT MEETING. BUT I DO WANT THE DISCUSSION TO DETERMINE WHETHER WE NEED ANOTHER MARSHAL TO HELP FACILITATE THE WARRANTS AND THE AND THE COLLECTIONS, COMPARED TO USING A CONTRACTOR THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE SUCCESSFUL AT OUR COLLECTIONS RIGHT NOW. WHO ARE WE USING, BY THE WAY? IS THERE A NAME OF WHO'S PROVIDING COLLECTIONS FOR US? COLLECTION EFFORTS? IT'S THE CLEARY AND IT'S A 4 OR 5 NAMES IN THE IN THE FARM. I CAN'T REMEMBER CLEARY AND SOMEBODY AND THIS IS SOMEBODY WE'VE USED FOR A WHILE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT'S FOR LATER DISCUSSION. AND I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH YOU BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS ANOTHER REVENUE. THIS IS ONE I THINK THAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY PAY FOR ITSELF AND MORE. OKAY. THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO THE FISCAL SERVICES BUDGET. THERE'S AN INCREASE IN 25 IN OUR PROPOSED BUDGET FOR 25 OVER 24. THE SALARIES AREA SPECIFICALLY. OUR BUDGET ADMINISTRATOR WAS PREVIOUSLY IN THE CITY MANAGER'S BUDGET HAS NOW MOVED OVER INTO THE FINANCE BUDGET, IN ADDITION TO RECLASSIFICATION OF THE COMPTROLLER POSITION TO OUR ASSISTANT FINANCE DIRECTOR POSITION. AGAIN, THERE'S SOME SOME ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURES THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY IN NON-DEPARTMENTAL. AS IT RELATED TO THE AUDIT, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT WAS MOVED IN. AND SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE MAIN FACTORS FOR FISCAL SERVICES. MOVING ON. YES. JUST COUNCIL, I WANT YOU TO KNOW HOW AMAZING FISCAL SERVICES IS REALLY DOING. THEY ARE WORKING SO HARD. THERE'S BEEN SO MUCH CLEANUP WORK TO DO FOR ALL OF THEM SINCE JOINING THE TEAM OR REJOINING THE TEAM IN SOME CASES. AND THEY'RE WORKING SO HARD, MAKING SO MUCH PROGRESS. AND I HAVEN'T EVEN HAD A CHANCE TO SEND YOU AN EMAIL YET. I'M GOING TO. BUT RICHARD AND I WERE ON A CALL WITH CREDIT RATING AGENCY. AND WHILE MOST MUNICIPALITIES, DUE TO SOME CHANGES IN THE AREA, SAW A CREDIT RATING DECREASE, THEY HELD OUR STEADY. AND SO FANTASTIC NEWS. WE'RE STILL A DOUBLE-A. AND SO I ACTUALLY I WANT TO SEND YOU THE NOTE FROM HILLTOP SECURITIES. BUT I HAD TO BRAG ON FISCAL SERVICES FOR A MINUTE BECAUSE THEY ARE REALLY DOING A JOB FOR US. GREAT JOB GUYS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MUNICIPAL COURT AGAIN BREAKING INTO THE FINANCE AS A WHOLE. SLIGHT INCREASE FOR MUNICIPAL COURT, ABOUT 5%. AGAIN, A LOT OF THAT IS IN THE CONTRACTUAL PROFESSIONAL IN TERMS OF THE EXPENDITURES AS YOU HAVE THERE. AGAIN, IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS WE CAN FOLLOW UP CERTAINLY WITH YOU. JUST WANT TO MAKE A REAL QUICK COMMENT. YES, SIR. I KNOW THAT'S AN AREA, BUT I KNOW THERE'S CONCERNS AND STUFF TOO, WITH SPACINGS AND ONE CONCERN AND THAT STUFF. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE, WE ADDRESSING THAT OR LOOKING TOWARDS THAT AS THAT PART OF OUR PART OF THE UPDATE. THE FACILITY FACILITIES UPDATE. OKAY. MOVING ON TO THE PROCUREMENT DIVISION. AGAIN, SLIGHT INCREASE IN THE 25 BUDGET WHEN LOOKING AT IT VERSUS OUR 24 BUDGET. THE MAJORITY OF THE INCREASE HERE IN THE OTHER FINANCING AND USES AS WELL AS IN OUR CONTRACT PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, IS REVOLVING AROUND OUR INVESTMENT IN OUR STAFF AS IT RELATES TO [02:10:10] DIFFERENT TRAININGS, DIFFERENT CERTIFICATIONS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. FOR IMPROVEMENT WITH THEM. OKAY. YES, MA'AM. SO ELABORATE. MORE ON CONDUCT. WON. BEST SOUTHWEST MINORITY WOMEN OWNED BUSINESS EDUCATION OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC IN DUNCANVILLE. OH, THAT'S A GREAT. IT'S A IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. AND I KNOW ELLEN'S NOT HERE, BUT ELLEN ELLEN BROCK, WHO'S OUR CHIEF PROCUREMENT OFFICER. ELLEN AND I HAVE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS, AND WE REALLY WANT TO BE VERY INTENTIONAL IN THE CITY'S EFFORTS TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF BUSINESS THAT WE'RE DOING WITH MINORITY OWNED BUSINESS AND WOMEN OWNED BUSINESS. WBES. AND SO WE WANT TO MAKE. OH, YES, MA'AM. NOT ONE OF THOSE. THANK YOU. YES. SO SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE INCREASING OUR EFFORTS TO ONE, MAKE SURE THAT OUR DEPARTMENTS ARE AWARE IN TERMS OF OUR EFFORTS TO INCREASE OUR LOCAL SPENDING AND HAVING SOME OF OUR DOLLARS STAY IN THE CITY OF DUNCANVILLE SPECIFICALLY, BUT ALSO THAT WE'RE ABLE TO REACH OUT TO MINORITY OWNED AND WOMEN OWNED BUSINESSES TO LET THEM KNOW THAT THE CITY OF DUNCANVILLE IS OPEN FOR BUSINESS. AND WE'RE NOT SILOED, IF YOU WILL. AND SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE VERY TRANSPARENT INTERNALLY AMONGST OUR DEPARTMENTS, BUT ALSO EXTERNALLY WITH OUR RESIDENTS. SOMETHING ELSE I JUST WANTED TO MENTION, IF I MAY IF YOU DON'T KNOW THAT THE BEST SOUTHWEST CITIES THEY ROTATE, HAVING AN EVENT WHERE BUSINESS OWNERS CAN GO AND KIND OF CHECK OUT WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, BIDDING OPPORTUNITIES ARE OUT THERE, WHAT JOB OPPORTUNITIES ARE OUT THERE. SO IT DOES ROTATE BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT CITIES. AND HOSTING ONE OF THEM HERE IN DUNCANVILLE IS WHAT'S GREAT. I JUST WANT Y'ALL TO BRAG ON YOURSELF. AND THE OTHER THING I'LL SHARE WITH YOU IS, AS WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT MORE GRANTS, A LOT OF THE GRANTS THAT ARE PASSED THROUGH FROM FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAVE 20% MWD REQUIREMENTS, MEANING 20% OF THE OVERALL GRANT ALLOTMENT HAS TO GO TO A MINORITY BUSINESS ENTERPRISE. SO AS WE START TO THINK ABOUT MORE GRANT REVENUE COMING IN, WE ARE ALSO GOING TO HAVE TO BE VERY SPECIFIC WITH THAT. SO, MR. MAYOR, I WAS GOING TO SAY I'M TAKING MY DAUGHTER TO SEVERAL OF THESE AND REALLY, REALLY INTERESTING BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE CITY OF WAXAHACHIE CEDAR HILL, DESOTO AND SURROUNDING CITIES COME AND PRESENT. YOU GET TO ACTUALLY MEET THE PROCUREMENT OFFICER AND ASK THEM SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. SO I'M GLAD THAT I TALKED TO MR. BACH ABOUT THAT AND THAT'S HOSTING IT. AND SO YEAH, WE'RE EXCITED TO DO THAT FOR SURE. SO. THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO BUILDING INSPECTIONS AGAIN OUT OF RESPECT FOR TIME INCREASE TO THE BUDGET SOME RECLASSIFICATION OF POSITIONS AND THE SALARY AND BENEFITS AREA AND A SLIGHT INCREASE IN THE CONTRACTUAL PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. SO, AGAIN, THIS INFORMATION IS IN THE SLIDE DECK FOR YOU ALL TO REVIEW PLANNING AND ZONING. WE'RE LOOKING AT 25 VERSUS 24. EXCUSE ME. APOLOGIZE. SLIGHT INCREASE IN THAT BUDGET, ABOUT 20,000. AND SO A LOT OF IT AGAIN, IS IN THE PRIMARILY COMPRISED IN THE SALARY AND BENEFITS, AS WE'RE TRYING TO RIGHTSIZE THE STAFF FOR WHAT IS BEING PROJECTED OPERATIONALLY FOR THAT PERIOD. I'M SORRY. ANOTHER THING I NOTICED IN PLANNING AND ZONING ENGAGE THE COUNCIL, RESIDENTS AND STAFF IN DISCUSSIONS OF OUR CURRENT ZONING ORDINANCES AND SEEK FEEDBACK ON WHAT CHANGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CAN BE BROUGHT TO COUNCIL. I THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD HIGHLIGHT TO RECOGNIZE. YEAH. AND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES BUDGET, SLIGHT REDUCTION IN 25. AND WHAT THAT IS PRIMARILY RELATED TO WAS REALLOCATING VACANCY FROM NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES TO BUILDING INSPECTION AND PLANNING AND ZONING. BUT AGAIN, IN TERMS OF THE BREAKOUT OF SUPPLIES AND CONTRACTUAL CAN ANSWER THAT AT A LATER TIME. OKAY. YES, SIR. ON THAT POINT, IF WE GO BACK TO THE BUILDING INSPECTION SLIDE. ON PAGE 46. THIS ONE RIGHT HERE. OKAY. THERE WE GO. IT SAYS ACQUISITION CHANGES, REALLOCATED VACANCY FROM NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE TO CREATE RENTAL INSPECTION POSITION. [02:15:07] THAT'S A POSITION THAT WAS ALREADY IN PLACE. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THAT WE'RE CREATING IT. IF IT WAS ALREADY IN PLACE? IT WAS DONE HALFWAY THROUGH THE CURRENT. BUT WE DID IT IN 24, SO THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IT'S GOING INTO THE BUDGET. WE'RE ACTUALLY IS DURING DARREN IS IN THE BUDGET DURING THE PROPOSED PROCESS BECAUSE IT HAPPENED DURING THE YEAR. SO FOR BUDGETARY PURPOSES, AT THIS STAGE, IT'S COMPARING THE ADOPTED BUDGET. IT WASN'T IN THE ADOPTED BUDGET, BUT WHEN THE POSITION BECAME VACANT, IT WAS REALLOCATED AMONGST TO CREATE THE REGIONAL INSPECTOR IN 24. SO WE'RE JUST HIGHLIGHTING THE CHANGE FROM THE ADOPTED OF LAST YEAR TO. THIS. AND I NOTICED THERE WAS A CHANGE OF ABOUT 93,469. IS THAT JUST A COMPLETE SALARY PACKAGE OR ARE WE SAYING THAT'S THE WHOLE PACKAGE? OKAY. I WAS THINKING I NEED TO PUT IN AND OUT. NO, NO, NO, THAT'S THAT'S YOU SHOULD HAVE CAME. THE OTHER THING I'LL SHARE WITH YOU. AND THERE'S ANOTHER PIECE TO THIS THAT'LL BE COMING. I THINK I MAY HAVE MENTIONED IT IN MAYBE AN HOUR OR SOMETHING. COUNCIL. BUT PART OF THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION, ALSO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ALTERNATIVE REVENUE AND STOP HIS OCCUPANCY TAX. AND THAT WAS A BIG PIECE OF THIS RENTAL INSPECTOR HELPING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ACTUALLY DOING THAT. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT DAVID IS WORKING ON. CURRENTLY. AND AS WE WORK THROUGH SOME OF THESE TRANSITIONS, ADJUSTMENTS, DIFFERENT SERVICES AND BUILDING OFFICIAL ARE BOTH REPORTING TO DAVID. WE'VE GOT NEW STAFF COMING IN WITH PUBLIC WORKS, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME CHANGES TO MAKE EVERYTHING MORE EFFICIENT. BUT LOOKING AT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY IS ACTUALLY COLLECTING WHAT IT'S DUE IN TERMS OF LIKE SHORT TERM RENTALS, IN TERMS OF THE LONGER TERM RENTALS, THAT'S A PIECE OF THIS THAT WE HAVE TO COME BACK TO. IN OUR PARKS AND REC AREA AGAIN INCREASE OF ABOUT $15,000 FROM OUR REVISED 24 BUDGET. LOOKING AT THE TRAINING AREA THAT THERE WAS A DOUBLING OF THE EXPENDITURE DUE TO THE TIMING OF WHEN THE CONFERENCE HAS OCCURRED, AND AGAIN, THE CONTRACTUAL YOU HAVE IN FRONT AND WE CAN DISCUSS IF NEEDED. YES, MA'AM. JUST ONE QUESTION. THE NUMBER OF PARKS 17 IS THE LAND THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THAT. OKAY. THAT'S NOT CONSIDERED A PART. IT'S A NATURE PRESERVE. RIGHT. NATURE PRESERVE IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO. SO I KNOW, I KNOW, BUT MY MY POINT IS, I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE CONFIGURATION OR NO SPECIAL. SO IT'S NOT AN OFFICIAL PART. OKAY. BUT WE'LL GET IT ADDED. THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO CONSIDER IN THE FUTURE. OH THERE ARE CERTAIN RESOLUTION. THERE ARE CERTAIN BENEFITS TO MAKING IT A PARK THAT MIGHT BE BENEFICIAL, BENEFICIAL TO THE LONG TERM ESTABLISHMENT OF THE NATURE PRESERVE. I'M NOT TRYING TO STEP ON ANY TOES, IT'S JUST THAT I DIDN'T SEE LAD RECOGNIZED IN HERE. AND I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE GET LAD RECOGNIZED IN HERE. THAT'S ALL THAT'S ABOUT. THAT'S IT. THAT'S ALL. AND THAT 244. I GUESS THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE 42 ACRES. BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S PART OF OUR PARKS MASTER PLAN. WE'RE LOOKING AT WAYS TO EXPAND PARK SPACE, SO THAT WILL CERTAINLY CONTRIBUTE TO THAT. ACTUALLY, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. SO SO LAST YEAR, LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. SO PARKS AND RECREATION. SO THERE'S A CLASSIFICATION I DON'T SEE IN THIS BUDGET BUT LEISURE LEISURE SERVICES. THAT'S. AND SO, SO I DON'T SEE THAT IN HERE ANYMORE. AND THEN SO SO YOU HAVE PARKS AND RECREATION. IS THERE. IS THERE. I KNOW THERE'S OVERLAP. IS THERE ANY. IS THERE ANY JUSTIFICATION FOR SEPARATING THE TWO? AND I KNOW SOME CITIES DO THAT WHERE THEY'VE GOT A PARKS AND RECREATION BECAUSE THEY HAVE A RECREATION CENTER. RIGHT. AND THEY DO EVENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT IN THE PARKS, WHICH ALSO INCLUDES CLEANUP. AND SO IS THERE ANY JUSTIFICATION FOR POTENTIALLY LOOKING AT SEPARATING THOSE TWO IN THE BUDGET? WELL, I'M NOT GOING TO TRY TO DEFEND THE LEISURE SERVICES BECAUSE I NEVER UNDERSTOOD THAT TO BEGIN WITH. SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT CAME FROM. THAT WAS THE PRIOR CITY ADMINISTRATION. I CAN'T ANSWER, BUT I MEAN, BART, I MEAN, SO PARKS AND RECREATION, SO MANY MUNICIPALITIES DO IT DIFFERENTLY, WHETHER IT'S A COMBINED ONE UNIT OR [02:20:04] WHETHER IT'S INDIVIDUALLY. BUT I THINK OUR PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT, THEY'RE SO RELIANT ON EACH OTHER TO GET STUFF DONE. AND THEY ARE FOR SURE, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO COMMUNITY EVENTS AS WELL AS ALL OF OUR OPERATIONS. YOU KNOW, LIKE ALL THE OTHER FARMERS, WE RUN A LEAN DEPARTMENT. AND SO WE UTILIZE ALL OF OUR STAFF, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER YOU'RE ACTUALLY WORKING IN RECREATION OR PARK MAINTENANCE. WE OFTENTIMES KIND OF CROSS THOSE LINES TO HELP EACH OTHER, MAKE SURE WE'RE RUNNING A SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM. SO AS FAR AS SIMPLIFICATION, IT WOULD IT MAY ACTUALLY COMPLICATE IT A LITTLE BIT IF WE WERE TO BREAK THEM APART, BECAUSE THEN WE'D HAVE TO. JUST IN TERMS OF BUDGETING AND SOME OF THE EXPENSES RIGHT NOW, WE'RE RIGHT NOW IT'S ALL JUST KIND OF IN THE THE PARKS AND REC BUDGET RIGHT THERE. IT'S ALL THE SAME STAFF, GENERALLY SPEAKING, ON THE PARKS AND REC. YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN REVISIT AGAIN, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANY REAL JUSTIFICATION TO GO ONE WAY OR ANOTHER AT THE MOMENT. FROM A BUDGETARY PERSPECTIVE, THEY ARE BROKEN OUT. WE HAVE SEVEN DIFFERENT SEVEN DIFFERENT ORGS. SO WE TRACK IT ALL SEPARATELY. PARKS IS ON ONE SIDE WITH OUR MULTIPLE WALKS, AND THEN RECREATION AND THE SENIOR CENTER HAVE THEIR OWN GROUPS AS WELL. YEAH, THAT'S REALLY WHAT I'M ASKING ABOUT. SO YES, THEY ARE SEPARATED OUT. THEY ARE SEPARATED OUT THROUGH SEVEN DIFFERENT ORGS. SO THEY'RE SEPARATE FOR THAT PERSPECTIVE. OKAY. AND OUR RECREATIONAL PROGRAMING BUDGET IS AN INCREASE OF ABOUT 5% OVER THIS YEAR'S BUDGET. AGAIN IN TERMS OF THE BREAKOUT FOR SUPPLIES CONTRACTUAL HAVE THAT THERE FOR YOUR NOTES. IN OUR COMMUNITY EVENTS THAT BUDGET HAS BEEN REDUCED IN TERMS OF THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET FOR 25 VERSUS 24. A LOT OF THAT IS THAT A LOT OF THE PROPOSED BUDGET COSTS FOR THE EVENTS, AS YOU SEE HERE, ARE BEING MOVED OVER TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN THE REMAINING EVENTS THAT YOU SEE IS WHAT IS PLANNED TO BE COORDINATED BY REC CENTER STAFF. IF YOU'RE JUST JUMPING IN FOR A QUICK SECOND. SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS A COUPLE OF TIMES, AND I DON'T WANT TO KEEP REHASHING THIS, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THE BIG THING IN DOING THIS MOVE RIGHT IS THIS ACTUALLY REDUCES $365,000 THAT EVERY SINGLE HOMEOWNER IN THE CITY OF DUNCANVILLE PROPERTY OWNER WAS PAYING BEFORE BECAUSE IT WAS GOING AGAINST PROPERTY TAX VERSUS SOME OF THESE EVENTS THAT ARE REALLY DESIGNED TO DRAW PEOPLE INTO THE COMMUNITY. NOW MOVES OVER TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. SO IT'S NOT BEING PAID BY THE TAXPAYERS, IT'S BEING PAID BY THE MONEY THAT COMES IN TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS SALES TAX AND OTHER THINGS. IT'S STILL TAX DOLLARS, BUT IT'S NOT THE PROPERTY TAX. AND SO THOSE EVENTS REALLY DESIGNED TO BRING MORE PEOPLE TO THE COMMUNITY, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CAN FUND THOSE, THOSE EVENTS. AND SO THAT'S THE BREAKDOWN THERE THAT THEY'VE GOT ON THE SCREEN OF KIND OF WHERE THAT GOES AND HOW THAT 365 MOVES OUT OF THE GENERAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THERE. BUT A FEW YEARS AGO, IT CREATED A POSITION FOR AN EVENT PLANNER OR EVENT COORDINATOR OR WHATEVER. SO WHERE DOES THAT FIT IN? UNDER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THAT POSITION, IT'S 100% UNDER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NOW. BUT I GUESS I'M GOING TO ASK A QUESTION THAT MAY SHOCK SOME PEOPLE. BUT WHY? WHY IS IT NOT WHERE IT WAS BEFORE? WHERE IT WAS? AT SOME POINT IN TIME IT WAS EFFECTIVE UNDER PARKS AND RECREATION. BECAUSE WHAT I WOULD SAY TO YOU IS WE'VE GOT THERE WAS THIS WEIRD DYNAMIC THAT WAS HAPPENING. AND THIS IS A WEIRD DYNAMIC. WELL, ACTUALLY, I THINK THIS IS A LOT CLEARER. LET ME TRY TO EXPLAIN IT AND THEN AND LET ME KNOW IF YOU STILL HAVE QUESTIONS. SO WHAT WAS HAPPENING WAS YOU HAD AN EVENT PLANNER THAT WAS BEING PAID HALF BY PARKS AND REC AND HALF BY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS WHEN I GOT HERE. OKAY. AND THEN WHAT WAS HAPPENING IS SOME EVENTS, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, FAMILY GAME NIGHT, FOR INSTANCE, OR EASTER EGG HUNT, WHICH ARE REALLY NOT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT EVENTS. THOSE ARE COMMUNITY EVENTS DESIGNED TO SUPPORT THE HOMEOWNER THAT WANTS TO COME TO THE EASTER EGG HUNT OR WHATEVER THAT PERSON WAS INVOLVED WITH THAT, AS WELL AS THE PARKS AND REC STAFF. AND THEY WERE REALLY COORDINATING WITH THEIR JUNIOR GRAND PRIX AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS SEPARATE ALL THOSE COMMUNITY EVENTS THAT ARE NOT DESIGNED TO BRING PEOPLE TO THE COMMUNITY. THOSE ARE DESIGNED TO BE QUALITY OF LIFE EVENTS FOR THE COMMUNITY. THOSE ARE THOSE ARE ALL BEING 100% HANDLED BY PARKS AND REC, BY NOEL AND AND BART AND TYLER AND THAT WHOLE TEAM. SO THAT JUST CLEARS THAT UP SO THAT THAT'S ALL. [02:25:02] THEN THE EVENTS THAT CAN BE A LITTLE BIT LARGER. AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY. PRINCESS TEA GOT SWITCHED OVER, RIGHT? I'M LIKE PRINCESS TEA, RIGHT? I KNOW, WELL, THAT WAS THE FIRST THING THAT I SAID TO YOU. BUT WE SAT IN THIS ROOM. WE GOT EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM TOGETHER. THE SPECIAL EVENTS, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, PARKS AND REC AND EVERYTHING ELSE. AND THEY SAID WE COULD MAKE PRINCESS TEA. THIS GRAND THING WHERE PEOPLE COME TO THE COMMUNITY AND THEY DO THINGS, AND THIS COULD BE A MULTI-DAY EVENT AND REALLY TURN IT. THAT'S WHY THAT ENDED UP ON THE FLIP SIDE OVER ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. BUT GENERALLY THOSE EVENTS ARE REALLY DESIGNED TO BE MULTI-DAY EVENTS, LARGER EVENTS WHERE WE'RE REALLY BRINGING PEOPLE INTO THE COMMUNITY FOR FESTIVAL. THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT MAKING THAT LIKE A WHOLE WEEKEND TYPE EVENT. OBVIOUSLY JUNETEENTH, THE CHRISTMAS TYPE STUFF, WHERE WE'RE REALLY BRINGING PEOPLE INTO THE COMMUNITY. AND SO MOVING THAT PERSON OVER TO REALLY HANDLE ALL OF THE LOGISTICS AND THE PLANNING AND EVERYTHING FOR THAT BECOMES A FULL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT EXPENSE SO THAT THE TAXPAYERS, THE PROPERTY TAXPAYERS, AREN'T BURDENED WITH THAT. THAT ALL FALLS UNDER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. DOES THAT HELP ANSWER THE QUESTION A LITTLE BIT? YES. SEPTEMBER 5TH, WE'LL COME BACK TO. THE ATHLETICS PROGRAM AND AGAIN INCREASE FROM THE BUDGET. AND AGAIN HONING IN ON SUPPLIES, CONTRACTUAL SERVICES, UTILITIES TO PROVIDE SOME EXPLANATION FOR YOU ALL IN THOSE THOSE AREAS. NO QUESTIONS THERE. WE'LL MOVE ON. OH. I'M SORRY. COUNCILMEMBER COMBS. SO WITH THE HARRINGTON PARK. SO THE CONCESSION STAND AND THE RESTROOM, ALL THOSE. SO HOW FAR ARE WE OFF NOW FROM? BEING ABLE TO COVER THOSE BOND PROJECTS? RIGHT. DO YOU KNOW THE NUMBER? WE'RE ABOUT A MILLION FOR PHASE ONE. IT WAS LIKE $1 MILLION OFF FOR PHASE ONE. PHASE ONE? YES. AND I REMEMBER. YEAH. SO I THOUGHT IT WAS SOMEWHERE AROUND THAT. AND I REMEMBER HEARING THAT. I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE IT WAS THIS TIME LAST YEAR. SO I'M THINKING THAT NUMBER IS PROBABLY GOING UP. RIGHT. SO AT SOME POINT, I MEAN, THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN DESIGNED AND WE'VE ALREADY BEEN THROUGH THAT PROCESS. YEAH. I MEAN, BY THE TIME WE GET AROUND TO LIKE, FIRE STATION, GET AROUND TO ACTUALLY PAYING FOR THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT INTO IT. YOU KNOW, WE COULD HAVE JUST BOUGHT IT OURSELVES 5 OR 6 YEARS AGO. SO AT SOME POINT, DO WE LOOK AT POSSIBLY A REDESIGN OR A RENOVATION OF WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. I MEAN, ARE WE? BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT YOU BECAUSE SHE ASKED ME A VERY SIMILAR CONVERSATION THIS PAST WEEK ABOUT A DIFFERENT. WE NEED TO GO BACK AND HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE 2018 BOND PROJECTS IN GENERAL. THERE'S THERE'S SUCH A GAP ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WAS PROMISED WAS GOING TO BE DONE WITH THAT. NOW THAT WE'RE SIX YEARS DOWN THE ROAD AND THE EXPENSE WE NEED TO REALLY KIND OF, AS A COUNCIL, HAVE A WORKSHOP SESSION ON THAT. I WASN'T HERE, BY THE WAY. I'M ON THIS COUNCIL, BY THE WAY. WELL CARRY ON. YES. WE CAN JUST TOSS THAT IN. YEAH. WELL, I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT CONVERSATION BECAUSE YEAH, WE MENTIONED KICKING CANS DOWN THE ROAD AND WE'RE A COUPLE OF YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. HE'S, YOU KNOW, FOR THE FOR THE GOOD FOLKS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN BASEBALL, THEY THEY DESERVE A REVISIT. YEAH. BECAUSE IT'S BAD. I WILL SAY FOR THE SOCCER ASSOCIATION. I KNOW THEY'VE MENTIONED LIGHTING AT THE TOP, SO I'M FIRST GOING TO THE PARK. THERE'S A HILL THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE, INCREASED LIGHTING. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY LIGHTS ON THE FIELD AT THE TOP OF THE HILL. AND SO THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TOSS AND SAY, HEY, WE'RE WE'RE WORKING ON THE CONCESSION STAND, BUT HERE'S SOME LIGHTS SO YOU CAN SEE YOUR KIDS PLAYING SOCCER GUY. BUT WE USED TO HAVE THE PARENTS GET AROUND THE FIELD AND TURN THEIR HEADLIGHTS ON. I'M REALLY FOCUSED ON GETTING THAT BASEBALL FACILITY FIXED BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN THAT'S BEEN TOO LONG, PROBABLY IN EXCESS OF 20 YEARS THAT THAT THING HAS BEEN ON A DOWNHILL SPIRAL. AND IF YOU NEED TO USE A BATHROOM, YOU DON'T WANT TO WALK INTO THAT ONE. IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE REVISITED. CERTAINLY IT HAS SOME DATES. I'LL WORK ON SOMETHING FOR YOU. I MADE AN APPOINTMENT. WITH WAS HORTICULTURE INCREASE OF ABOUT [02:30:04] $15,000 TO THE BUDGET IN TERMS OF THE BREAKOUT. IT WAS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. BUT CERTAINLY IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE MOVING ON. SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO GROUNDS MAINTENANCE. AGAIN, LOOKING AT THAT ABOUT A 7% INCREASE OVER THE ADOPTED BUDGET. JUST WANT TO MAKE A NOTE OF THE ADDING OF THE CITY FORESTER POSITION. SEE MR. AGEE HERE. WAS WORKING VERY HARD IN TERMS OF SECURING THE GRANT FOR THAT POSITION, WHICH WOULD BE PARTIALLY FUNDED. $50,000 GRANT IN FISCAL YEAR 25. AGAIN, A BREAKOUT OF THE OTHER AREAS IS THERE FOR YOUR REVIEW. IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, WE CAN FOLLOW UP AT A TIME. SENIOR CENTER BUDGET ACTUALLY IS A SLIGHT DECREASE. OVERALL INCREASE FROM THE ADOPTED BUDGET. BUT WHEN WE FACTOR IT IN THE REVISED BUDGET, IT'S A SLIGHT DECREASE FROM THAT REVISED NUMBER. SO AGAIN, IN THE POSITION CHANGES THE INCREASE OF THE PART TIME STAFF HOURS, THAT BUDGET INCREASE OF $30,000. AND AGAIN, THE SENIOR MEALS GRANT PARTIALLY HELPS OFFSET THE COST. NOW WE'RE GETTING INTO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND DIVISIONS. POLICE ADMIN SPECIFICALLY ABOUT 8.5% INCREASE OVER THE ADOPTED BUDGET. AGAIN, WANTING TO PROVIDE MORE SPECIFICS IN THE AREAS OF SUPPLIES, CONTRACTUAL SERVICES AND OTHER USES. IF THERE'S ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL HAVE NOW SPECIFICALLY FOR POLICE ADMIN. IF NOT, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY WE CAN ADDRESS THOSE IN OUR SUBSEQUENT MEETINGS. MOVING ON TO THE PATROL AREA. AGAIN, ABOUT AN 8% INCREASE. WANTED TO PROVIDE SOME SOME DATA FEEDBACK SPECIFICALLY IN THE SUPPLIES, CONTRACTUAL SERVICES AND TRANSFER WHICH WERE SOME OF THE LARGER NON SALARY NUMBERS IN THE BUDGET. YES, SIR. I KNOW CHIEF BROWN'S NOT HERE, BUT I REMEMBER LAST YEAR HE HAD BROUGHT UP THE FACT THAT WE'VE GOT SO MANY BUDGETED POSITIONS AND THAT SO MANY OF THOSE POSITIONS ARE FILLED SO THAT THERE WAS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE MONEY THAT WE COULD REDIRECT TO REALLOCATE. IS THAT STILL AN OPTION? SO EARLIER THIS FISCAL YEAR IS WHEN I PRESENTED TO THE COUNCIL THE LATERAL BONUS. WE'RE GETTING OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE ENCROACHING ON THE NEW FISCAL YEAR. WE HAVEN'T COMPLETELY EXHAUSTED THE CURRENT LIST YET. ELIGIBILITY LIST. AND I DO KNOW THAT WE'RE GETTING VERY CLOSE TO TWO CERTIFIED OFFICERS ON THERE. SO FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THOSE FUNDS ARE FROM OUR VACANCIES THAT WERE USED FOR THOSE BONUSES. YES WE ARE. YES, SIR. OKAY. GOOD NEWS IS IT'S FILLING THE VACANCIES. CORRECT? YES. YEAH. SO TO THAT POINT, I KNOW CHIEF STOCKER IS A TEAM IS MAKING EVERY EFFORT TO FILL THOSE VACANCIES. BUT AGAIN, AS WE HAD ALLUDED TO IN TERMS OF THE OVERALL, WHEN WE LOOK AT EXPENDITURES OVER REVENUE, THAT SOME OF THAT CLAWBACK COULD OCCUR AND WE COULD ACHIEVE THAT IF SOME OF THOSE BASES ARE OUT THERE. OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO FILL THOSE POSITIONS, BUT IF IT IS THERE AT THE END OF, YOU KNOW, SUBSEQUENT MONTHS, THAT THAT POTENTIAL SAVINGS COULD BE AN AVENUE TO CLAW INTO THAT, THAT GAP THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY PRESENTING WITH THIS BUDGET. SO I HEAR WE WERE USING THE VACANCY MONEY FOR BONUSES, BUT THEN I HEAR THAT WE'RE FILLING THE VACANCY. NO. SO SO IN THE 24 BUDGET WE BUDGETED FOR X AMOUNT OF POSITIONS. SO THOSE POSITIONS HAVEN'T BEEN FILLED. SO THERE IS A, YOU KNOW, SALARY SAVINGS IN THE 24 BUDGET THAT WAS BEING APPLIED FOR BONUSES IN THAT IN THAT REGARD. WELL LET'S TAKE THAT STEP FURTHER THOUGH. BUT SO THEN THE PROGRAM THAT HE CAME UP WITH THAT HE PRESENTED WHERE YOU'RE ACTUALLY USING THAT MONEY TO RECRUIT. RIGHT. SO WE'RE USING THE MONEY. SO HE'S ACTUALLY RECRUITING AND NOW HE'S ACTUALLY FILLING THE POSITIONS. SO IT'S WORKING RIGHT. OKAY. CHIEF UNDER CONTRACTUAL SERVICES, DALLAS COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE, HIGHWAY MANAGEMENT THEY'RE HANDLING [02:35:09] SPEED TRAPS ON 67 OR I-20. THEY'RE HANDLING THEY RESPOND INITIALLY TO ACCIDENTS. THEY'RE THE PRIMARY. THAT'S CORRECT. WE'LL WE'LL STILL RESPOND TO THAT. ACCIDENTS. HOWEVER, IN ADDITION TO US, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT WILL RESPOND AS WELL. WHAT THAT DOES IS ONCE THEY ARRIVE, WE START PULLING OUR RESOURCES OFF THE HIGHWAY UNLESS THEY NEED HELP SECURING THE HIGHWAY. AS WE ALL KNOW WHAT HAPPENED EARLIER THIS WEEK. SO ONCE ONCE THEY GET THERE, WE PULL ALL THE RESOURCES BACK IN THE CITY BECAUSE WHEN WE HAVE TO SHUT DOWN, ESPECIALLY THE INTERSTATE, IT TAKES ALL OF OUR RESOURCES THAT'S CURRENTLY ON THE STREET TO DO THAT. SO THIS CONTINUES TO BE A REAL BENEFIT TO VERY MUCH SO POLICE RESOURCES. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. OUR CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS AREA ABOUT A 6% INCREASE OVER THE BUDGET AGAIN FOR YOUR REVIEW. A LITTLE MORE LAYOUT OF THE SUPPLIES, CONTRACTUAL SERVICES AS WELL AS THE TRANSFER AND WHAT IT WAS, WHAT IT WAS BUDGETED FOR. ANIMAL CONTROL. ANIMAL CONTROL IS RELATIVELY FLAT, ABOUT A ONE 1.5% INCREASE OVER LAST YEAR'S BUDGET. AND AGAIN, IN THAT THAT THAT HIGHER DOLLAR AMOUNT IN THE CONTRACTUAL SERVICES, AS YOU'LL SEE, IT'S ALL PRIVATE. PROBABLY MOST OF IT IS PRIMARILY WITH ONE PARTICULAR VENDOR IN GENERAL OR SPECIFICALLY. EXCUSE ME. OUR SCHOOL CROSSING GUARDS BUDGET IS FLAT AND GOING BACK THERE. JUST AS A REMINDER THAT THE EXPENDITURES FOR HERE ARE RECOVERED SLASH OFFSET BY FUNDS THAT WE RECEIVE IN FROM DUNCANVILLE ISD AS WELL AS DALLAS, DALLAS COUNTY, AS JENNIFER HAD ALLUDED TO EARLIER IN THE PRESENTATION, IT'S IT'S HALF, IT'S HALF. JUST REAL QUICK, JUST SO THE COUNCIL IS AWARE. SO CHIEF STOGNER AND I MET WITH THE SCHOOL SUPERINTENDENT ABOUT SCHOOL CROSSING GUARDS. THEY HAD ORIGINALLY WE HAD ORIGINALLY RECEIVED A REQUEST FROM SOMEBODY FOR THREE ADDITIONAL CROSSING GUARDS, BUT TURNS OUT SCHOOL ADMINISTRATION ACTUALLY WAS NOT AWARE OF THAT REQUEST, SO THAT WASN'T REALLY SOMETHING THEY WERE LOOKING AT. BUT WE'VE ASKED THEM TO START A CONVERSATION WITH US, AND, AND I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN VERY IMPRESSED WITH DOCTOR GORI. HE SEEMS VERY OPEN MINDED ABOUT WORKING WITH US. HAS WE'VE ASKED CHIEF LAMBERTON AND CHIEF STOGNER TO KIND OF COME BACK WITH SOME IDEAS. WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BE SHARING WITH YOU ON TUESDAY A POTENTIAL GRANT PROGRAM CALLED SAFER ROUTES TO SCHOOLS. THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THAT MAY HELP WITH SOME CROSSING GUARD TYPE STUFF AND SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO THE CROSSWALKS AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE REALLY WE'RE STARTING TO SPEND A LITTLE BIT OF TIME ON THIS TO. I KNOW IT'S IT'S NOT AS IF IT'S $100,000, BUT STILL WE'RE LOOKING AT IT PRETTY CLOSELY. SO. OKAY. AND OUR CRIME PREVENTION AREA. THAT AREA IS AN INCREASE OVER LAST YEAR. AND AGAIN THE EXPENDITURE CATEGORIES THAT WE SAW FOR THIS AREA WERE PRETTY STRAIGHT FORWARD FROM WHAT WE BELIEVE WERE WAS PRESENTED IN THE BOOK. CERTAINLY, IF THERE ARE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, WE CAN ENTERTAIN THOSE. AND OUR SWAT AREA WE HAVE AN INCREASE OVER THE BUDGET IN THIS CASE, FOR SWAT, IT'S ABOUT NINE, ABOUT 19% INCREASE. WE'RE SEEING THAT IN THE TRANSFER FOR EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT AS WELL AS THE CERTIFICATIONS. OUR RECORDS AREA FOR POLICE. POLICE RECORDS. ABOUT AN 8% INCREASE OVER BUDGET, PRIMARILY ON A SYSTEM CHANGE. WITH THE FORENSIC TECH, FOR VARIOUS RECORDS. REQUEST OUR SPECIAL SERVICES SECTION FOR POLICE BY THE 17.5% INCREASE. AGAIN, WANTED TO PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT IN THE LARGER DOLLAR AMOUNTS NON-SALARIED FOR THAT. AND WE HAVE THAT HERE ON THE SLIDE FOR YOU. NOW MOVING ON INTO OUR PUBLIC WORKS ADMINISTRATION IN THAT BUDGET, WE LOOK AT THE PROPOSED BUDGET FOR 25. [02:40:05] IT'S ACTUALLY A DECREASE OVER THE ADOPTED BUDGET. SO PART OF THAT RELATES TO POSITION, THE ENGINEERING TECH POSITION BEING ELIMINATED FROM THE 25 BUDGET, AS WELL AS, AGAIN, PROVIDING SOME CONTEXT IN THE AREAS OF CONTRACTUAL SERVICES AND TRAINING. AGAIN, I'M GOING TO KEEP MOVING UNLESS THERE ARE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ON A DEPARTMENT SLASH DIVISION. STREETS DIVISION. OH, YES. I'M SORRY. I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF I WANT TO ASK THIS NOW. IF I WANT TO WAIT TILL LATER, I SEE OTHER FINANCING JUMP FROM 8 TO 32. DID YOU A PUBLIC WORKS ADDITIONAL TRAINING FOR NEW DIRECTOR. IS THAT WHAT THE OTHER FINANCING. YES. YES OKAY. YES IT IS OKAY. THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM. CITY MANAGER ALREADY EXPLAINED IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A CITY ENGINEER RIGHT NOW. SO YEAH, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT. YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE CONTRACTING THAT SERVICE OUT. SO HERE'S WHAT I WOULD SAY. AND AND BY THE WAY, I'VE HAD EXTENSIVE CONVERSATIONS WITH ALL THE OTHER CITY MANAGERS IN THE BEST SOUTHWEST. AND AND EVERYBODY IS DOING IT THIS WAY. IT BECOMES VERY DIFFICULT TO HAVE AN ENGINEER ON STAFF FOR A DRAINAGE, AN ENGINEER ON STAFF FOR GIS, AN ENGINEER ON STAFF FOR WATER AND ENGINEER ON STAFF FOR SEWER. AN ENGINEER ON STAFF FOR STREETS. BECAUSE EVERYTHING HAS BECOME SO SPECIALIZED. AND SO INSTEAD, WHAT ALMOST EVERYBODY IS DOING IS THEY'RE CONSULTING. THEY'RE PAYING $165 AN HOUR, $185 AN HOUR FOR THOSE SPECIALTY TYPE THINGS FOR THE TIME THAT YOU NEED THEM. AND THAT'S REALLY THE MODERN PRACTICES THAT THE PUBLIC WORKS CITIES ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE DOING. SO THAT'S WHERE THIS POSITION, THIS ENGINEERING POSITION HAS NOT BEEN BUDGETED FOR. IN TURN, WE'RE WE'RE USING FEEL FREE TO JUMP IN HERE, DIRECTOR BRYANT, BUT WE'VE BEEN USING ANY NUMBER OF OUR RESOURCES TO TO ACTUALLY GET DATA AND IMPROVE THE WAY THAT EVEN PROJECTS ARE BEING REVIEWED AND EVERYTHING WE'RE DOING. SO YOU'RE SAYING ACROSS THE BOARD IN THE METROPLEX? YES. CITIES ARE GETTING AWAY FROM ENGINEERS IN THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT. ACCORDING TO THE CITY MANAGER OF LANCASTER. ACCORDING TO THE CITY MANAGER OF DE SOTO AND THE CITY MANAGER OF CEDAR HILL. YES, THE REST OF METROPLEX. WELL, THOSE ARE THE FOUR THAT I'M TALKING TO. THE BEST SOUTHWEST. YOU KNOW, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT PLANO IS DOING OR OR SOMETHING. IS THERE A COST SAVINGS TO CONTRACT IT OUT VERSUS. YEAH, BECAUSE YOU WOULD BE. REALISTICALLY, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT AN ENGINEER RIGHT NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT $200,000. OKAY. AND SO YES. AND SO WHEN YOU REALLY START TO STACK THAT ON, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD BE ABLE TO AFFORD IT. TO BE HONEST, I HAVE ALL THOSE ENGINEERS ON STAFF INSTEAD. YOU KNOW, WE'LL SPEND 50,000 ON CONTRACTED SERVICES, WHATEVER IT WORKS OUT TO BE. SO. WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'D BE INTERESTED IN RIGHT THERE AT THE END OF SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR TO SEE WHAT THAT NUMBER IS, WHETHER IT'S THAT NUMBER OR HIGHER, OR IN SOME CASES COULD BE HIGHER THAN THE 200,000. WELL, SO I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF THAT. THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'LL IT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY PUTTING THE THE GRANT BRIEFING ON AS MUCH AS THE TIME THAT WE CAN TIE THE PROJECTS TO FUNDING TO GRANTS, LIKE FOR INSTANCE THE AND HERE'S THE STICKER SHOCK OF THE $21 MILLION FOR THE LEAD SERVICE LINE REPLACEMENTS. IT'S GOING TO BE $2.2 MILLION IN ENGINEERING, BUT THAT'S ALL FUNDED 100% THROUGH THE GRANT. IT'S NOT ANYTHING OUT OF OUR POCKET. SO BUT IF WE HAD THAT ENGINEER ON STAFF AS OPPOSED TO CHARGING IT TO THE PROJECT CONSULTANT, I'D BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR SALARY PLUS THEIR BENEFITS AND EVERYTHING ELSE INSTEAD. IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, IT'S PROJECT DRIVEN EXPENSE THAT'S GOING AGAINST THAT. THAT'S A THAT'S AN EXAMPLE WHERE A GRANT IS AVAILABLE. THE OTHER SITUATIONS WHERE AN ENGINEER MAY NEED TO BE USED EXTENSIVELY. THAT'S WHAT I'D BE INTERESTED IN SEEING. AFTER SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR OF WHAT THOSE ACTUAL CONTRACTUAL ENGINEERS COST US IN A YEAR'S TIME, BECAUSE THAT COULD GO EITHER WAY. IT COULD BE LESS OR IT COULD BE MORE. AND SO I'D BE INTERESTED IN SEEING AN UPDATE AFTER WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF PROJECTS THAT WE'VE USED OUTSIDE ENGINEERING SOURCES SINCE THAT MAY HELP, IS THAT ALL THAT OUTSOURCING YOU'RE DOING IS ACTUALLY COMING OUT OF OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, WHICH IS AN ONGOING FUND, AS OPPOSED TO YOUR ANNUAL OPERATIONAL FUNDS WITH AN IN-HOUSE ENGINEER. [02:45:01] I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT MEANS, BUT I'M GOING TO ACCEPT THAT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. MOVING ON TO OUR STREETS AREA. AGAIN, WE LOOK AT THE ADOPTED BUDGET. IT'S BASICALLY FLAT. AND SO WE HAVE SOME POSITION OPPOSITION CHANGES AND AGAIN, WANTING TO BE ABLE TO CATEGORIZE OUR SOME OF THE BREAKOUT OF WHAT COMPRISED THE SUPPLIES, CONTRACTUAL SERVICES AND UTILITY SECTIONS, RESPECTIVELY. MOVING ON TO OUR TRAFFIC OPERATIONS BUDGET. WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT VERSUS THE ADOPTED BUDGET, IT'S ABOUT A 19% INCREASE. WE LOOK INTO THE HIGHER NON SALARY RELATED EXPENDITURES. AGAIN, HAVING SOME DETAIL FOR YOUR REVIEW THERE. AND SUPPLIES CONTRACTUAL SERVICES AND OUR CAPITAL EQUIPMENT EXPENDITURE LINE FOR TRAFFIC. AND OUR EQUIPMENT MAINTENANCE AGAIN RELATIVELY FLAT FROM 24 BUDGET INTO 25. WE'RE SHOWING AGAIN A SLIGHT DECREASE OVER THE ADOPTED BUDGET FOR 24, AND AGAIN PROVIDED SOME CONTEXT IN THE HIGHER EXPENDITURE CATEGORIES FOR EQUIPMENT MAINTENANCE. YES, MA'AM. COUNCIL MEMBER. OUTSOURCE VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT REPAIR AND GASOLINE AND DIESEL FUEL. ONE IS 414. IS THAT OKAY? I SEE IT. OUTSOURCED EQUIPMENT REPAIRS. THAT REFLECTS IT DOWN HERE IN THE BOTTOM OF THE BREAKDOWN WHERE I HAVE A NOTE NEXT TO IT. WHERE IS IT? REFLECTED IN THE BUDGET OF THOSE CHANGES. DOWN HERE. SO THE THE 414 IS REFLECTED IN THE CONTRACTUAL SERVICES TOTAL. SO IT COMPRISES MOST OF THE 441,000 THAT'S BUDGETED FOR CONTRACTUAL. OKAY. AND THEN SAME THING IN TERMS OF THE SUPPLIES BUDGET THAT THAT'S WHERE OF THE 355,343 OF THAT IS THE GAS AND DIESEL LINE ITEM. OKAY. YES, SIR. MR.. MARK BURNETT AND VEHICLE REPLACEMENT IS. INCLUDED WITH THIS OR IS IT IS IT IN DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS OR THE VEHICLE REPLACEMENT FUNDS. SO YOU'LL SEE THAT IN THE TRANSFER, YOU KNOW, LINE ITEM IN EACH DIVISION THAT IF THEY HAVE VEHICLES THAT'S BEING TRANSFERRED INTO THE FLEET REPLACEMENT FUND FOR PURCHASING OF NEW VEHICLES. SO THIS IS JUST THE MAINTENANCE OF WHAT WE HAVE AND THE GAS AND ALL OF THAT. BUT THE REPLACEMENT HAS BEEN INCREASED. THE INCREASE IS NEEDED FOR SURE. WE CAN'T KEEP UP WITH WHAT WE NEED TO REPLACE. AND SO THAT'LL BE A CONVERSATION THAT WE HAVE. BUT NO, WE'RE NOT FUNDING IT TO THE LEVEL THAT IT TRULY NEEDS TO BE IN ORDER TO REPLACE EVERYTHING THANKS. SO DO WE HAVE ANY CAPITAL CONVERSATIONS? THE CAPITAL CONVERSATION IS THAT IN THE NEAR FUTURE, AFTER THE BUDGET. OKAY. IN OUR BUILDING, EXCUSE ME? OUR BUILDING MAINTENANCE AREA, ABOUT A 10% INCREASE OR OVER THE BUDGET. AND AGAIN, PROVIDING CONTEXT FOR YOUR REVIEW. CERTAINLY, IF THERE ARE ANY MEDIA QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE COVERED, IF NOT, AGAIN, WE CAN CERTAINLY FOLLOW UP WITH YOU. YES, MA'AM IS GOOD. REPLACE FURNITURE IN COURT AND UTILITY BUILDING AREA. OH, SO IN THE IN THEIR DEPARTMENT. THEY NEED NEW FURNITURE. THAT'S WHAT THE NOTE IS FOR. GOALS OF 2425. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. MOVING ON TO FIRE ADMINISTRATION. AND THAT BUDGET AGAIN IS PRETTY MUCH FLAT VERSUS 2024 AND PROVIDING SOME CONTEXT IN THE AREAS OF SUPPLIES AND CONTRACTUAL SERVICES, SPECIFICALLY ON THIS SLIDE. IF THERE ARE ANY IMMEDIATE QUESTIONS THERE. ALL RIGHT. CHASE, DID YOU SAY CUT? IS THAT THE WORD? YEAH. CHASE IS RIGHT HERE. CHASE HAD GLASSES ON. HE'S READY TO GO. THE SUPPLIES JUMP. YOU HAVE ALREADY EXPLAINED MULTIPLE TIMES THAT YOU ARE REALLOCATING THE FUNDING AND MOVING THINGS AROUND TO BETTER REFLECT HOW YOU'RE USING IT. SO THAT'S WHY THE SUPPLIES. YES. PRETTY MUCH JUMPED UP ON THE 63. YEAH. OKAY. OH, THERE IT IS. [02:50:02] AND THEN AND THEN AGAIN TO THAT POINT, THE REDUCTION ON THE CONTRACTUAL PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. YES. DOES THE. I'M SORRY, CHIEF, IS BECAUSE THE MORE THEY BOTH LOOKED UP QUICK. IS THE EVERBRIDGE PROGRAM STILL WORKING EFFICIENTLY FOR US? YES, IT'S DOING VERY WELL. OKAY, THAT'S ALL I GOT. OKAY. FIRE PREVENTION LOOKING AT THE 25 BUDGET FOR THAT AREA. LOOK AT THAT 13% INCREASE. OVER THE 24 ADOPTED BUDGET SPECIFICALLY PROVIDING CONTEXT FOR THE SUPPLIES PORTION OF THAT BUDGET AND WHERE? YES, SIR. I'M SORRY. CAN WE JUST GO BACK FOR A MINUTE? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S UNDERSTANDING. UNDER FIRE ADMINISTRATION REGIONAL TRAINING OFFICER SHARED WITH US SOUTHWEST STUDIES. WE INCREASE THAT FROM ONE FULL TIME PERSON TO TWO. TWO. WE ADDED NOW THIS REGIONAL TRAINING OFFICER. OKAY. I'M SORRY. SO I'M THINKING MORE REGIONAL ORIGINAL MS. YES. NO. EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. OKAY. YES. THANK YOU. SO AGAIN, JUST A QUICK, QUICK ON THE PREVENTION AREA. I WANTED TO PROVIDE CONTEXT IN TERMS OF WHAT PRIMARILY COMPRISES THE AREA OF SUPPLIES, IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT THE REALLOCATION OF COMPUTER RELATED ITEMS INTO THAT CATEGORY. FIRE SUPPRESSION IS ABOUT A 3% INCREASE OVER THE 24 ADOPTED BUDGET. AND AGAIN, PROVIDING SOME CONTEXT IN THE AREAS, THE TRAINING WOULD BE A PART OF THE OTHER USES. BUT AGAIN WANTED TO PROVIDE SOME SOME CONTEXT BEHIND THOSE CATEGORIES IS WHAT YOU SAW IN THE BUDGET BOOK. ANY IMMEDIATE QUESTIONS ON THAT? ON FIRE SUPPRESSION? RIGHT. IN ORDER TO ALS ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT. EXCUSE ME? ABOUT A 12% INCREASE OVER THE 24 BUDGET. AND AGAIN SUPPLIES AND CONTRACTUAL SERVICES INFORMATION TO ASSIST. AND WHAT COMPRISES THAT FOR YOUR REVIEW, OR ARE THERE ANY IMMEDIATE QUESTIONS FOR ALS? I JUST THINK WE'VE HEARD ALL ALONG THAT THE SUPPLIES ARE GETTING MORE AND MORE COSTLY, AND THE DEMAND FOR SERVICES ARE INCREASING. GOING INTO THE, THE REGIONAL EMS AND THAT INCREASE AND THAT WAS WHAT MR. FITCH WAS ALLUDING TO IN TERMS OF THE POSITION CHANGED, SO THERE WAS PART TIME SPECIALIST POSITION AND THAT INDIVIDUAL HAS BEEN PROMOTED INTO A FULL TIME POSITION. BUT AGAIN, AS MR. FINCH HAD ALLUDED TO, THE COST IS SHARED WITH THE BEST SOUTHWEST AT 25% EACH. AND OVERALL THERE IS AN INCREASE IN THE BUDGET OF THE 19%, BUT THAT'S PRIMARILY IN THAT POSITION. SWITCH TO FULL TIME. AND THEN INTO OUR OUR GENERAL NON-DEPARTMENTAL. WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT. AS YOU CAN SEE THE NUMBERS, IT'S A BIG DECREASE VERSUS THE REVISED BUDGET. BUT A LOT OF THOSE ARE WERE ONE TIME EXPENDITURES THAT WERE APPROVED THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. SO YEAH. LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE FORENSIC AUDIT WAS INCLUDED IN THEIR ADDITIONAL SERVICES ARE AROUND THE FISCAL YEAR 22 AUDIT. SOME ONE TIME COST IN THE SALARY AND BENEFITS THAT WAS APPROVED THROUGH FOR 24. THAT IS NOT IN THE BUDGET FOR 25. SO OVERALL, ABOUT A 40% DECREASE FROM THE ADOPTED BUDGET. AND AGAIN PROVIDING SOME CONTEXT IN THE AREAS OF CONTRACTUAL SERVICES TRANSFERS AS WELL AS THE BENEFITS. SO WHEN LOOKING AT THAT 65,000 SALARY NUMBER JUST TO SAY THAT THERE'S JUST SPECIFICALLY FOR THE MEDICAL INSURANCE SUBSIDY FOR RETIREES, AND I WANT TO POINT OUT WE HAVEN'T TYPICALLY BREAKING OUT A PROGRAM DESCRIPTION FOR THE NON-DEPARTMENTAL ACTIVITY. BUT REALLY THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAN'T GENERALLY BE FIT IN SOME OTHER DEPARTMENT. [02:55:04] WE KIND OF HAVE A NON-DEPARTMENTAL BUDGET. SO THIS IS HERE HOW IT ACTUALLY BREAKS DOWN THE ONE LINE THAT YOU SEE ON THE GENERAL FUND SUMMARY, YOU SEE A BUDGET TOTAL FOR NON-DEPARTMENTAL. THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE PAY OUT OF THAT. WHAT PAGE IS IT IN? THERE'S NOT A PAGE IN HERE FOR IT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A PROGRAM, IF YOU WILL. DESCRIPTION AND GOALS AND ALL THAT STUFF TO BREAK OUT THE STUFF. SO IT HASN'T TYPICALLY BEEN PROVIDED IN DETAIL. SO THIS IS THE DETAIL. OKAY. AND AGAIN JUST LOOKING AT THE FUND BALANCE PROJECTION FOR 24 AND 25. AND AGAIN, THIS IS AS WE'RE STILL IN THE AUDIT PROCESS FOR 2023. SO THE ACTUAL REVENUE EXPENDITURE NET IS UNAUDITED. AND THEN FOR 24 STILL CURRENTLY BE IN THAT CURRENT YEAR. SO THIS PROJECTION IS JUST BASED ON THE BUDGET AND NOT WHERE WE ACTUALLY ARE LANDING YEAR TO DATE. BUT AGAIN, JUST TO HAVE THAT COMPARISON ON WHERE WE'RE PROJECTING OUR ENDING FUND BALANCE TO BE AT THE END OF FISCAL YEAR 25. LOOKING AT EXPENDITURE, NET EXPENDITURE OVER REVENUE. WOULD BRING THAT TOTAL TO ABOUT 20.5 MILLION. WHERE THAT REPRESENTS AND THE NUMBER OF DAYS OF OPERATION IS ABOUT 177 DAYS. OF OPERATION FOR GENERAL FUND DEPARTMENTS WITH THE CITY. AGAIN, TALKING ABOUT BEST PRACTICES. IS THAT WE HAVE A RESERVE OF AT LEAST 60 DAYS. THAT IS PART OF OUR FUND BALANCE OF SPECIFICALLY TO BE HELD IN RESERVE FOR OPERATIONS. SO LOOKING AT THAT NUMBER THAT WE'RE ABOUT, WE'RE FORECASTING AT THE END OF 25 TO STILL BE ABOUT 13.5, 13.5, 13.6 MILLION IN EXCESS OF THAT BEST PRACTICE FOR RESERVE. SO THIS IS THE CONCLUDING SLIDE FOR GENERAL FUND. SO I JUST WANT TO STOP REAL QUICK AND SEE IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE QUICKLY INTO THE OTHER FUNDS. I JUST WANT TO COMMENT THAT I KNOW AT ONE POINT IN TIME WE DID DISCUSS A 90 DAY OVERAGE. SO TO SEE NOW 90 DAYS EXCESS RESERVE, BUT TO SEE THAT IT'S AT 177. THAT'S BEYOND WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO SHOOT FOR. YES. GOOD JOB. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS A GOOD TIME TO TAKE A BREAK. GO TO THE BATHROOM. YES, IT IS ABOUT AN HOUR OFF THE SCHEDULE, BUT I PRETTY MUCH THOUGHT WE WOULD BE SO COUNCIL YOUR PLEASURE ON HOW MUCH TIME YOU WANT TO TAKE FOR A BREAK TO EAT THESE SANDWICHES THAT ARE PRECARIOUSLY CLOSE TO SOME TYPE OF A TEMPERATURE VIOLATION? WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE? WE'LL TAKE 20 MINUTES OR SO, AND I JUST WANT TO. SO NEXT WEEK, WE'RE MEETING AT 9 A.M. ON THURSDAY. RIGHT? TO DO ON THE FIFTH. SORRY. TO TO TO DO WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW. OKAY. SO WE WILL HAVE GIVES US IT GIVES US MORE CONVERSATION, MORE ABILITY TO VISIT THE ISSUES. YEAH I DO. OKAY, SO I GUESS THIS WILL BE AN OFFICIAL RECESS THEN. OR DO WE NEED TO CLOSE IT AND OPEN UP RECESS AT 7:00, ACCORDING TO THAT CITY CLERK? LET ME DOUBLE CHECK. NO, IT IS IN FACT 659. WE'LL GET BACK HERE IN 20 MINUTES TO RECONVENE. ALRIGHT. WE ARE RECONVENING AT 7:20 P.M.. OKAY, GREAT. I WANTED TO BRING UP GREG CRAIG FOR ASKING. I'M SORRY TO HAVE FIELDHOUSE SLIDES FOR HIM, BUT I WANT HIM TO BE ABLE TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT WHAT'S IN THEIR BUDGET THIS YEAR, THEIR REVENUES OR EXPENSES. SO IF YOU WANT TO FOLLOW ALONG IN YOUR BOOK, IT ACTUALLY STARTS ON 138. AND SO THIS IS EVERYTHING ELSE. DO YOU WANT TO JUST MAKE A PRESENTATION. YEAH. OH, BUT YOU'RE FINE. WELL, OUR 25 BUDGET THE REVENUE SIDE IS JUST OVER $1.6 MILLION. [03:00:01] THE EXPENSE SIDE OF THE BUDGET IS, LIKE, 1,000,492. THAT REFLECTS $108,000 PROFIT GOING INTO NEXT YEAR. THAT'S NOT THAT BIG OF A STRETCH. WE ARE DOING A $5 INCREASE ON ALL OF OUR RENTALS. COURT RENTALS, I SHOULD SAY. WE INCREASED OUR SECURITY AND OUR ROOMS. RENTAL RATES ALL UP, $5 EACH. AND THE ROOMS WENT UP $25 IN ONE CASE. 915. ANOTHER QUESTION DID DID THAT ALREADY HAPPEN, OR IS THAT OCTOBER 1ST? YES, MA'AM. I'M SORRY. THE NUMBERS THAT ARE REFLECTED IN HERE ARE DIFFERENT FROM THE NUMBER. WELL, HE'S NOT INCLUDING THE DEBT. OKAY, WELL FIELDHOUSE FUND 2.1 AND THEN THAT'S IN REVENUE. EXPENSES IS 2.0. SO HE'S NOT HE'S NOT THINKING ABOUT THE DEBT THAT COMES IN TO PAY FOR THE DEBT THAT GOES OUT. OKAY. SO HE'S JUST TALKING ABOUT STRICTLY FIELDHOUSE REVENUES STOOD AT $538,000 FOR THE DEBT SERVICE OKAY, FIVE 30,000 NET RUNS, 1.6. THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM. I WANT TO SHARE WITH EVERYONE. I DID SOME AT A MEETING, DOUG, TODAY THAT WE MET WITH DAVID, BUT I WANT TO FOLLOW UP. ALL, YOU KNOW, WE HAD HAVE ISSUES WITH OUR AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEM. WE FEEL LIKE THOSE ISSUES SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACTED OUR 2024 BUDGET. WE LOST THE MEAT AND POTATOES OF GASTHAUS. THEY HAD SEVEN TOURNAMENTS LAST YEAR. TWO OF THOSE SEVEN WERE. COLLEGE COACHES AND CATERING AND ALL OTHER ACTIVITIES GOING ALONG WITH IT WHILE WE KEPT GASO. THEY TOOK THE MAINFRAME TO CARROLLTON, WHICH WAS ALL THE COLLEGE COACHES, ALL THE CATERING, ALL THE GLAM, IF YOU WILL, AND REPLACED IT WITH A SHELL. I MEAN, IT WAS REALLY DISCOURAGING TO SEE GASSO THIS YEAR COMPARED TO OTHERS. ATTENDANCE WAS DOWN. FOOD AND BEVERAGE OPS WERE DOWN. IT TOOK ABOUT $15,000 OUT OF OUR POCKET ON RENTALS OF ROOMS AND PARKING. AND AND SO WHEN THAT WHEN THE AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEM WAS OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE FIXED, THEY GOT SCARED EARLY IN FEBRUARY AND WROTE ME AND ASKED ME, COULD THEY WANT TO KEEP THEIR TOURNAMENT? BUT THEY WANTED TO MOVE THEIR HOSPITALITY IN FEAR OF INJURY AND THINGS THAT WOULD GO WITH THE AIR CONDITIONING ARE FAILING. THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN IS WE COMPLETELY LOST. I HAD THE TANK GROUP, WHICH IS THE MOST PREMIER TOURNAMENT THAT WE HOST. IT'S THE COLLEGE ASSOCIATION THAT HAS ALL THE COACH HAS ALL THE PLAYERS IN THE HIGH SCHOOL ASSOCIATION. AND WE LOST THAT TOURNAMENT COMPLETELY IN 2023. THE TOTAL CONTRACT JUST ON RENTAL OF COURTS AND ROOMS WAS RIGHT AT 20,000. WE LOST THAT AS WELL AS THE CATERING AND THE CONCESSIONS. WE COULDN'T MAKE THAT TOURNAMENT UP BECAUSE THE THIRD WEEK OF JUNE, IF YOU'RE IN THE BASKETBALL BUSINESS AND YOU HAVE A TOURNAMENT THE THIRD WEEK OF JUNE, IF YOU DON'T HAVE TABC, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY PLAYERS BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL GOING TO WHERE THEY 500 SOME ODD TEAMS. SO ADD ALL THAT UP. AND IT WAS A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON OUR BUDGET. BUT I WILL BE GLAD TO TELL EVERYONE THAT WE HAVE A DEAL IN PLACE WITH GASSOT TO BRING ALL THEIR STUFF BACK. CATERING, COLLEGE COACHES, ROOM RENTALS, PARKING. THE WHOLE SHOOTING MATCH IS COMING BACK. FULL BORE. I HAVE A MEETING OF THE MINDS WITH TABC. I DO NOT HAVE A SIGNED AGREEMENT, BUT I'VE BEEN TOLD NOT ONLY ARE THEY COMING BACK TO DUNCANVILLE AT THE FIELD HOUSE TO MAKE IT ITS HUB LOCATION, THEY WILL BE AT DUNCANVILLE HIGH SCHOOL, CEDAR HILL, DESOTO. THE WHOLE TOURNAMENT NOW IS CENTERED IN THE SOUTHWEST REGION. AND FIELD HOUSE BEING THE GO TO LOCATION FOR SEEING, THE COLLEGE COACHES AND THE RECRUITMENT AND ALL THE GOOD THINGS THAT GOES WITH WHAT WE DO. NOT TO KNOCK THE YOUTH AND THE YOUNGER KIDS, BUT BASKETBALL AND THE FIELD HOUSE IS SYNONYMOUS WITH THE BEST PLAYERS IN THE STATE, IF NOT THE COUNTRY PLAYING IN THE FIELD HOUSE. WE DIDN'T ACHIEVE THAT THIS YEAR, BUT IT'S COMING BACK IN 2024. I COULD PROBABLY GO ON FOR A LOT MORE LONGER TIME, BUT I KNOW YOU GUYS WANT TO BE HERE, SO I'M TRYING TO BE THOROUGH, BUT AT THE SAME TIME BE FACTUAL AND GIVE YOU GUYS WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. YES, MA'AM. SO YOU SAID THEY LEFT GASSO, OR WAS IT TABC LEFT AND THEN GASSO STAYED. [03:05:07] OKAY. THEY JUST TOOK THEIR. YES, MA'AM. THEY JUST TOOK THEIR PRESTIGE AWAY FROM US. AND YOU SAID ONE OF THEM CAME BACK. WHAT WAS THE WHAT WAS THE SELLING POINT TO GET THEM TO RETURN? HVAC BEING REPAIRED? YES, MA'AM. THE PROMISE OF IT BEING REPAIRED. SO I'M KIND OF STICKING MY NECK OUT A LITTLE BIT, TELLING THESE INDIVIDUALS THAT. BUT FROM WHAT I'M. I'M CONFIDENT THAT WE'VE BEEN HEARING IT FOR A LONG TIME. BUT THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS TAKEN A DIFFERENT ANGLE AND A DIFFERENT APPROACH. AND I WAS TICKLED TO DEATH. YES, MA'AM. NOT GOOD. I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS, BUT I'M GONNA ASK ANYWAYS. AT 1.4 MILLION TO REPLACE THE HVAC SYSTEM. THAT IS AN AUTHORIZED USE OF THE HOTEL MOTEL TAX. YES. AND I HAVE CONFIRMED THAT WITH THE GENTLEMAN WHO ACTUALLY WROTE THE LEGISLATION FOR THE CITY OF DUNCANVILLE, BASED OUT OF AUSTIN. HE CALLS HIMSELF THE GODFATHER OF APARTMENTS. YEAH. UNDER WHAT? CLASSIFICATION OF USE. IT'S ACTUALLY A VERY SPECIFIC. SO THAT IT'S ACTUALLY STATE LEGISLATION THAT WAS PASSED FOR THE CITY OF DUNCANVILLE, SPECIFICALLY FOR THE FIELDHOUSE. AND SO THERE'S A REFERENCE TO THAT. AND I ACTUALLY HAVE THE LEGISLATION I CAN PROVIDE YOU GUYS. I'D LIKE TO SEE IT, JUST TO BE SURE. TO BE SURE. I HAVE A SECOND QUESTION. YES. I FIRMLY BELIEVE I'VE BEEN HERE NINE YEARS. I THINK THIS IS OUR YEAR. I POISED MYSELF FOR YEAR NINE. WE'RE GOING TO HIT IT OUT OF THE PARK IN 2025. AND I SAY THAT WITH CONFIDENCE. WE'RE GETTING OUR TOURNAMENTS BACK. WE GOT AN AIR CONDITIONER. WE GOT ISSUES LIKE THE WHOLE CITY WITH INTERNET AND DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE A PROBLEM ONGOING AT SOME LEVEL. BUT WE DEAL WITH EACH PROBLEM AND WE TAKE IT ON AND DO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO TO BE SUCCESSFUL. BUT I BELIEVE 2025 IS IS OUR YEAR. AND I SAY THAT WITH CONFIDENCE. DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? WELL, AGAIN, THANK YOU GUYS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE. I'M ALL IN, AND WE'RE GOING. WE'RE GOING TO BATTLE AND WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO WIN. WE'RE GOING TO GET THERE WHERE YOU GUYS WANT IT. WE WILL SEE IT THROUGH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO DIVE IN TO THE REMAINDER OF THE FUNDS. TALKING ABOUT UTILITIES. SO AS IN THE BUDGET, AS YOU PROBABLY HAVE SEEN, THAT WE'RE PROPOSING RATE INCREASES FOR WATER, WASTE WATER, GARBAGE AND STORM SEWER. OUR STORMWATER. SORRY. SO WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS A UTILITY RATES RATE SURVEY. I PRETTY MUCH JUST WENT TO THESE PARTICULAR CITY'S WEBSITE. I COULD HAVE DONE MORE, BUT I RAN OUT OF TIME. BUT I WENT TO THEIR WEBSITES. I PULLED OFF WHAT THEY HAVE POSTED FOR THEIR RATES AND DID THE CALCULATIONS BASED ON JUST USING 5000 GALLONS AS A BENCHMARK THERE, JUST TO SEE HOW WE REALLY COMPARE, BECAUSE I KNOW, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY HEAR A LOT THAT WE HAVE THE HIGHEST RATES OUT THERE. WE PAY MORE THAN OTHER CITIES AROUND AND AT LEAST LOOKING AT OUR BEST SOUTHWEST AREAS AND EVEN MIDLOTHIAN. BASED ON, AGAIN, THE WATER AND SEWER KIND OF WHAT THEIR GARBAGE FEES ARE AS WELL. I WANTED TO FACTOR THAT IN. AND IF THEY HAVE A STORMWATER DRAINAGE FEE THAT THEY ASSESS ON THEIR BILLS. SO DUNCANVILLE IS REALLY JUST IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD HERE. AND THIS IS BASED ON THE 2023 RATES. WE WILL BE INCREASING THEM COME OCTOBER FOR THE THIRD YEAR OF THE WATER SEWER RATE INCREASES. AND I'M NOT SURE I KNOW MIDLOTHIAN HAS A STAIR. HAS SOME INCREASES COMING DOWN. I'M NOT SURE IF THE OTHER CITIES ARE GOING TO BE PASSING ALONG INCREASES IN THESE AREAS, BUT I JUST KIND OF WANT YOU TO SEE KIND OF HOW WE COMPARE THEM. THIS ONE'S I KNOW IS SUPER BUSY AND HARD TO SEE. BUT THIS ACTUALLY COMES FROM DALLAS WATER UTILITIES FROM ALL THEIR CUSTOMERS THAT THAT THEY PROVIDE WHOLESALE WATER TO. SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS THEIR SURVEYS BASED ON 8000 GALLONS A MONTH AND THEN A WINTER AVERAGING OF 5000. SO ON ALL THEIR CITIES. DUNCANVILLE IS THE SECOND ONE FROM THE TOP IN TERMS OF THE AVERAGE MONTHLY WATER WASTEWATER BILL PER THEIR SURVEY HERE. BECAUSE GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. IS THAT BECAUSE OF USAGE? [03:10:02] SO, YOU KNOW, SOME SAY I MEAN, I CAN'T SAY ALL THE DIFFERENT CITIES AND, OR, YOU KNOW, IS THEIR DATA. CORRECT. LIKE, WHEN I DO THIS, I'M JUST GETTING IT FROM THE WEBSITE AND DOING THE MATH MYSELF, BUT SOME CITIES, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TIER BASED BASE RATES, FOR EXAMPLE, BECAUSE THEY HAVE VARIOUS METER SIZES, WE ONLY CHARGE ONE RATE, YOU KNOW, REGARDLESS OF METER. BUT I THINK MOST OF OUR RESIDENTIAL METERS ARE ONE SIZE ANYWAY. BUT IT'S REALLY HARD TO SAY, HONESTLY, IN TERMS OF THE RATES. YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE CITIES ARE GROWING CITIES. YOU KNOW, THEY PROBABLY GET, YOU KNOW, IMPACT FEES FROM DEVELOPERS AND THINGS THAT ARE PUTTING IN NEW INFRASTRUCTURE AND STUFF. OR MAYBE THEY HAVE A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT REASONS OF WHY THEIR RATE IS LOWER. I CAN'T REALLY SPEAK TO THAT. BUT AGAIN, THIS IS WHAT DALLAS WATER UTILITIES COLLECTED. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT'S INTERESTING IS THAT ON THE ONE SCREEN THAT YOU JUST SHOWED US, WE LOOKED WE'RE WORKING WITH A SMALLER GROUP, AND WE LOOK TO BE RIGHT THERE WITH EVERYBODY ELSE ON THE SCREEN BEFORE THIS ONE. THAT INCLUDES GARBAGE AS WELL. WELL, I MEAN, THIS THIS IS INCLUDING GARBAGE AND STORMWATER. AND I USED 5000 AS MY, YOU KNOW, AS UTILITY RATES GO. BUT YET WE'RE UP SECOND FROM THE TOP UP THERE. YEAH. WE ONLY HAVE CEDAR HILL AND DESOTO AND LANCASTER ARE ALSO, YOU KNOW, CLOSE. THAT'S TRUE, THAT'S TRUE. YOU KNOW, IN THERE. BUT THE REST OF THESE CITIES, YOU KNOW, UP NORTH ALL OF THAT AGAIN, I JUST TOOK THIS FROM THEIR WEBSITE. WE'RE DOING ANYTHING WRONG. I'M JUST SAYING I'M NOT ABLE TO DO THE MATH ON WHY WE'RE UP AT THE TOP IN SOME OF THESE CITIES ARE $100 LESS A MONTH THAN US. ANYWAYS, THAT'S JUST OBSERVATION. BUT AGAIN, WHAT I COULD GLEAN FROM THEIR WEBSITES IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY PUT OUT THERE FOR THEIR OWN CONSUMERS. AND THIS IS HOW YOU CALCULATE IT. YOU KNOW SOMETHING ELSE. SOME OF THOSE CITIES PROBABLY CHARGE SEWER BASED OFF WATER USAGE, WHEREAS WE DO WINTER AVERAGING. AND THAT CAN MAKE A BIG IMPACT ON WHERE WE LAND ON THAT TOO. THIS JUST SHOWS YOU ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE. SO THIS WAS BASED ON JUNE OF 24 RATES. AND SO DUNCANVILLE IS HERE KIND OF NEAR THE MIDDLE IN TERMS OF THE COMMERCIAL SIDE. CAN I GET INTO UTILITY FUND HERE? NOT BREAKING IT OUT AS MUCH, BUT JUST TRYING TO SHOW YOU HOW WE DID. WE HAVE 32 PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE UTILITY FUND OR PAID OUT OF THE UTILITY FUND. OUR REVENUES. WE CAME IN A 3% HIGHER, ACTUALLY, IN 23. OF COURSE, THAT'S UNAUDITED. CURRENTLY, WE'RE AT ABOUT 80% ON COLLECTION, BUT WE ARE ONE MONTH BEHIND. THERE'S ALWAYS ONE MONTH IN ARREARS FOR COLLECTIONS. AND THEN WITH THE INCREASED RATES BASED ON THAT ORDINANCE 8% IS ABOUT THE PROPOSED THERE FOR THE RATES. WE HAVE THREE DIFFERENT EXPENSE CATEGORIES. WE HAVE UTILITIES ADMINISTRATION, THE WATER SEWER OPERATIONS AND THE UTILITY BILLING ALL COME IN. AND UNDER THE UTILITY FUND. SO ACTUALLY EXPENSES CAME IN ABOUT 99% OF THE BUDGET. AND THEN WHERE WE'RE AT YEAR TO DATE IS AT 73%. BUT OVERALL, THE INCREASE ON THE EXPENSE SIDE IS 15.7% OVER THE ADOPTED BUDGET. WHERE THAT COMES IN. OKAY. SO UTILITY ADMINISTRATION. JUST TWO PEOPLE. THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE THE CITY ENGINEERS FUNDED OUT OF OF COURSE THIS MAY CHANGE DEPENDING ON HOW WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ENGINEERS, BUT THE POSITIONS HAVE BEEN VACANT FOR ALMOST TWO YEARS NOW. SO THEY'RE STILL BUDGETED IN HERE EVEN AT A HIGHER RATE WITH, YOU KNOW, WHO WOULD, YOU KNOW, GET GET SOMEBODY IN THE DOOR. THE ONLY OTHER REALLY COSTS THAT COME OUT OF THIS OTHER THAN SALARIES IS WE DO HAVE A DESIGN AND PLAN REVIEW, YOU KNOW, CONSULTANT THAT COMES IN AND REVIEWS PLANS AND SUCH. ON THE WATER AND SEWER SIDE, THIS IS ME. THIS IS THE BIG PORTION OF THE UTILITY FUND EXPENSES. SO OVERALL 2.8% INCREASE. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SUPPLIES CATEGORY, MAINLY THAT'S GAS AND DIESEL FOR THE VEHICLES THAT ARE USED BY THE UTILITY FUNCTION. 301,000 OF THAT IS MAINLINE FIRE HYDRANTS, PARTS, MIRROR LIDS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. CONTRACTUAL SERVICES. THE BULK OF THIS IS REALLY THE DALLAS WATER UTILITIES, AND IT'S THE TRINITY RIVER AUTHORITY. WE ALSO HAVE SOME DESIGN AND PLAN REVIEW AND SOME OTHER CONTRACTUAL SERVICE CATEGORIES WATER ASSET MAINTENANCE. YOU KNOW, HAVING AN EMERGENCY CONTRACTOR TO HELP WITH WATER MAIN BREAKS AND SUCH, MANHOLE LID REPLACEMENTS, TANK INSPECTIONS, ALL THOSE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE FOR A HEALTHY WATER SYSTEM. AND THEN ALSO FLEET REPLACEMENT CONTRIBUTIONS COME OUT OF THAT. SO PARKING THIS YEAR FOR JUST A SECOND. AND MATT CAN HELP ME WITH SOME OF THESE CONVERSATIONS. LET'S TALK ABOUT TRINITY RIVER AUTHORITY. SO WE HAVE TWO AS THE VICE CHAIR OF THE BOARD MEMBERS. OH YES YOU ARE. IS THAT A CONGRATULATORY OR IS IT? I'M SO SORRY. IT'S A POSITION AT THE TABLE. [03:15:03] I GOTCHA. WELL, YOU'LL BE THE INSIDE MAN. SO WE HAVE TWO WATER RELATED FACILITIES THAT WE CONTRIBUTE INTO, AND THEN WE HAVE TWO WASTEWATER TREATMENT FACILITIES. OUR BULK OF OUR WASTEWATER GOES TO TEN MILE CREEK. SO THERE'S 5 OR 6 OTHER CONTRACTING CITIES THAT CONTRIBUTED TO THAT PARTICULAR FACILITY. SO I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE BUDGET BECAUSE IT MAY NOT BE ENOUGH, HONESTLY. SO TARA HAS A FISCAL YEAR THAT STARTS DECEMBER. DECEMBER IS A WEIRD MONTH TO START FISCAL YEAR, BUT DECEMBER TO NOVEMBER. SO WE TYPICALLY SEE A RATE CHANGE IN OUR BILLING TWICE A YEAR. WE'LL SEE IT ONCE THE FISCAL YEAR STARTS, AND WE'LL SEE IT AGAIN ABOUT AUGUST. ONCE THEY SETTLE UP AND THEY DETERMINE WHAT OUR ACTUAL FLOW IS VERSUS WHAT THEY PROJECTED, IF OUR ACTUAL FLOW COMES IN LESS THAN WHAT THEY PROJECTED, THEY GIVE US MONEY BACK. IF WE HAD MORE FLOW THAN WHAT THEY PROJECTED, WE HAVE TO PAY. WE HAVE TO SETTLE IT. SO AND SOME OTHER NUANCES OR IN TERMS OF THE BILLING AND WHAT THE ACTUAL VERSUS FORECASTED IS ALSO DEBT ISSUANCE. THEY MAY TALK ABOUT THEY'RE GOING TO ISSUE SO MUCH DEBT FOR THESE CAPITAL REPLACEMENTS, BUT THEY ULTIMATELY DON'T DO THAT. THEN THAT'S KIND OF WHERE SOME OF THAT REFUND OR SELL COMES FROM. SO WHAT THEY'RE PROJECTING AT THIS POINT. SO IN 24, 26 MILLION IS REALLY THE REVENUE THAT THEY'RE PROJECTING FROM THEIR CONTRACT PARTIES. OUR ALLOCATION OF THAT IS 20%. SO THAT EQUATES TO ABOUT 5.4 MILLION. AND SO THAT'S ABOUT 450 A MONTH. AND THIS IS JUST TEN MILE CREEK. SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE A SHORTFALL OF ABOUT 500,000, WHICH IS GOING TO BE ON THE NEXT AGENDA, BY THE WAY, IN TERMS OF DOING AN AMENDMENT FOR THAT. AND THEN LOOKING AHEAD INTO 25 THEIR PROJECTED REVENUE IS 28 MILLION. AND OUR, OUR ALLOCATION ACTUALLY WENT UP, THOUGH OUR FLOW WENT DOWN SLIGHTLY. BUT WE'RE HAVING TO TAKE ON MORE BECAUSE OF THE I'LL SHOW YOU IN A MINUTE THE HOW IT BREAKS OUT ON THE ON THE ENTITIES. SO, YOU KNOW, THIS MAY BE A LOT MORE THAN REALLY WHAT IT ULTIMATELY WILL SHAKE OUT TO BE, BUT JUST LOOKING AT THE 5.9 MILLION IS THE APPROXIMATE NUMBER ABOUT 900,000 MORE THAN WHAT WE'RE TARGETING FOR THE 25 BUDGET. SO LET ME JUST SHOW YOU HERE. THIS CAME. THEIR MEETING WAS JUST THIS WEEK. YOU KNOW WHERE THEY PROVIDED SOME OF THIS. INFORMATION. SO THIS IS THE CURRENT BREAKDOWN OF THE CONTRACTING PARTIES. THEIR ACTUAL FLOW THAT THEY FORECAST, YOU KNOW, THE PERCENT ALLOCATION BASED ON. BASED ON THE CITIES. AND THEN OUR ALLOCATION IS A LITTLE HIGHER IN SOME CITIES ARE A LITTLE LOWER. SO I THINK YOU MIGHT WANT TO ADD THERE. THAT WAS THAT I MEAN, YEAH, JENNIFER DID A GREAT JOB. SO DALLAS WATER UTILITIES. IS A LOT MORE CUT AND DRY. ITS RATES. WE HAVE RATE OF WE HAVE A CHARGE FOR RATE OF FLOW, WHICH IS HOW MUCH WATER WE'RE ALLOWED EVERY DAY. AND THEN WE GET CHARGED FOR HOW MUCH WATER WE PHYSICALLY TAKE IN. SO THAT'S A LOT SIMPLER TO MEASURE THIS. SO YOU'LL SEE WE MAKE UP 21% ROUGHLY OF THE TOTAL FLOW GOING TO THAT ONE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT, AND I'M STILL BECOMING EDUCATED ON THIS, IS THAT THEY TAKE THEIR OPERATIONAL COSTS AND THEY TAKE THEIR BUDGETED DEBT ISSUANCE FOR THOSE CAPITAL PLANS, AND THEY DIVIDE IT UP BASED ON WHAT OUR CONTRIBUTION RATE IS. AND THIS FISCAL YEAR, WE WERE FORTUNATE THEY DIDN'T ISSUE AS MUCH DEBT. SO WE GOT A WHOLE BUNCH OF MONEY BACK. EVEN THOUGH OUR FLOWS WERE SLIGHTLY HIGHER THAN WE PROJECTED, WE STILL GOT A BUNCH OF MONEY BACK BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T ISSUE THAT DEBT. NEXT YEAR THEY'VE GOT SIGNIFICANT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANS TAKING PLACE, SO WE'RE PROJECTED TO HAVE TO NOW PAY IN ALL OF AND MAYBE MORE THAN WE PROJECTED BECAUSE OF THE WORK THEY PLAN ON DOING AND THE DEBT THEY PLAN TO ISSUE. AND THE OTHER TREATMENT PLANT THAT WE GO TO IS CENTRAL, WHICH IS OFF 408 AND SINGLETON. WE MAKE UP A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE LIKE A DECIMAL PERCENT. I THINK IT'S THERE'S LIKE 30 DIFFERENT CITIES THAT GO TO THAT. SO WE ALSO WANT TO JUST TOUCH ON PARIS. I'VE UPDATED COUNCIL A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT. THAT JUST KIND OF WHERE IT STANDS CURRENTLY. CURRENTLY THE BOARD HAS ELECTED TO UPHOLD THE CONTRACT AGREEMENT, WHICH BASICALLY SAYS THAT THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO SELL TO A PRIVATE ENTITY THAT. SO BASICALLY, FERRIS HAS THE OPTION TO MAINTAIN OWNERSHIP OF THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE AND CONTRACT OUT WHATEVER WORK OR MANAGEMENT THEY WANT TO DO. AND IF THEY CHOOSE TO KEEP GOING DOWN THE PATH OF SELLING OFF TO A PRIVATE ENTITY, THEN TRINITY RIVER AUTHORITY WILL HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO PURSUE LEGAL ACTION. ANY LEGAL ACTION THAT GETS TAKEN PLACE IS OBVIOUSLY GOING TO COME BACK DOWN ON US AS CONTRIBUTORS TO THAT, SO WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT IS AT THIS POINT, OTHER THAN WE'VE MADE A DECISION TO UPHOLD OUR CONTRACT AGREEMENT. [03:20:05] OKAY. ANY FURTHER KIND OF QUESTIONS ON THAT? SO YEAH. SO LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW, THERE PROBABLY NEED TO ADJUST THE BUDGET, THE PROPOSED BUDGET UP TO REFLECT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WHAT WE'RE FIRST FORESEEING NEXT YEAR FOR TRA, UTILITY BILLING ALSO COMES OUT OF THE UTILITY FUND. SO REALLY THE BREAKDOWN OF COSTS THERE IS WE WERE TRANSFERRING FUNDS OVER TO THE METER REPLACEMENT FUND. THE INTENTION WAS TO BUILD UP A FUND FOR, YOU KNOW, GET TO THE POINT OF NEEDING TO REPLACE AUTOMATED METERS OR TOWARDS THE METER PROJECT. WE WOULD HAVE SOME MONEY. NOT BUDGETING FOR THAT AGAIN IN 25 WITH KIND OF HOW THINGS ARE GOING WITH THE PROJECT CONTRACTUALLY. THE BULK OF THAT REALLY IS CREDIT CARD PROCESSING FEES. WE DON'T PASS ALONG ANY FEES TO CUSTOMERS WHEN THEY USE CREDIT CARDS. MAINTENANCE FOR THAT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT AFTER HOURS ANSWERING SERVICE. UTILITY BILLING JUST PAYS THE BILL, EVEN THOUGH IT'S USUALLY MORE UTILITY OPERATIONS AND UTILITY BILLING. BUILDING, PERHAPS, BUT THAT'S HISTORICALLY WHO'S PAID THE BILL FOR THAT. BILL PRINTING. AND THEN THEIR PORTION OF THE TYLER TECH SYSTEM COMES OUT OF THEIR BUDGET. SO OVERALL, WE'RE PROJECTING WITH THE RATE INCREASES AND EVEN WITH THESE EXPENSES TO HAVE ABOUT A NET OF, I BELIEVE IT WAS ABOUT 600,000 REVENUE OVER EXPENSES IN THE UTILITY FUND. SO ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS REALLY ON THE UTILITY FUND SPECIFICALLY? WE DO MAKE A CASH TRANSFER. 5.2 MILLION IS PROJECTED TO TRANSFER OVER TO THE CIP FUND FOR THE WATER WASTEWATER PROJECTS. AND SO THAT'S ALSO WHAT'S INCORPORATED HERE IN THE. GETTING INTO SANITATION FUND, WHICH IS ANOTHER UTILITY FUND, NOT REALLY BREAKING IT OUT AS MUCH ON THE CHART HERE BECAUSE IT'S REALLY JUST ONE ACTIVITY THERE. BUT OUR REVENUES ARE BASED ON THE GARBAGE COLLECTION FEES AND FRANCHISE FEES THAT COME IN. IT DOES INCLUDE A 5% RATE INCREASE. YOU COULD SEE WHAT THE RATE WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR A CURBSIDE PICKUP AND THEN AN OUTSIDE PICKUP. AS A REMINDER, ALL CUSTOMERS PAY MORE BECAUSE THE THOUGHT IS TO PAY FOR ALLEY RECONSTRUCTION. AS THE BIG TRUCKS MOVE THROUGH THOSE ALLEYS. SO REPUBLIC IN OUR CONTRACT IS PROJECTING A 5% INCREASE TO THE CONTRACT. SO THEREFORE PASSING THAT ALONG IN TERMS OF THE EXPENDITURES. SO MAINLY IT'S CONTRACTUAL SERVICES. WE DO HAVE ONE EMPLOYEE ON THE ADMINISTRATION SIDE. AND THEN ALSO THE LITTER CONTROL CREW GET FUNDED OUT OF SANITATION FUND AS WELL. A CONTRACTUAL 4.2 MILLION, 3.1 MILLION OF THAT IS THE GARBAGE COLLECTION. AND THEN ALMOST A MILLION IS LANDFILL. AND WE ALSO DO THE HOUSEHOLD WASTE EVENTS, YOU KNOW, THE HAZARDOUS WASTE PROGRAM WITH DALLAS COUNTY THAT ALL GETS FUNDED OUT OF HERE. YES. WHEN DOES THE CONTRACT END WITH REPUBLIC? WHY DID YOU BROUGHT THAT UP? I SAID IT'S 26. HOWEVER. REPUBLIC. DAVID KEYS AND I MET WITH HIM AND MATT, AND WE ALL HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH LEE. SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT THEY'VE BEEN SAYING IS, HEY, DUNCANVILLE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO OFFER YOU THE SERVICE ANYMORE IF YOU'RE GOING TO CONTINUE WITH THESE LOOSE BAG THINGS. SO YOU KNOW, SHE HAS TALKED TO US ABOUT A PUBLIC AWARENESS EDUCATION CAMPAIGN. YOU KNOW, WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO NEED TO THINK ABOUT IF YOU WANT TO PUT OUT AN RFQ, THERE'S GOING TO NEED TO BE SOME CONVERSATIONS, PROBABLY EARLY 25, ABOUT KIND OF WHAT ROUTE TO GO. AND THEN IF WE DO DO TOTES, I KNOW YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THERE WOULD NEED TO BE AN ORDINANCE CHANGE. AND, YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SOME CONVERSATIONS ABOUT. I FEEL LIKE THAT'S INEVITABLE REGARDLESS OF WHOEVER PROVIDES THE SERVICE. IT'S INEVITABLE. YOU'RE RIGHT. SO YOU MENTIONED LITTER CONTROL. WAS THAT RECENTLY MOVED FROM. BECAUSE THEY USED TO BE PARKS? PARKS HAS OVERSIGHT OF THEM, BUT THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN FUNDED OUT OF HERE. YEAH, THEY'VE MANAGED THEM. THEY STILL WORK. OKAY, THEN MOVING ON TO DRAINAGE FUNDS. SO AGAIN, THIS IS ANOTHER FUND THAT WE ASSESS CUSTOMERS ON THEIR MONTHLY BILL. ON THE REVENUE SIDE, WE ARE PROPOSING AN INCREASE FROM $3.50 TO $5 PER MONTH. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF DRAINAGE, YOU KNOW, CREEK AND EROSION NEEDS. SO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH TEN MILE CREEK COSTS, FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE MORE PROBLEMS OUT THERE. [03:25:02] PROBABLY SIMILAR TO IT. NEED TO INCREASE THE FUNDING TO COVER THOSE SERVICE, THOSE THINGS. THIS FUND HAS HAD THREE FULL TIME POSITIONS, BUT THEY'VE BEEN VACANT FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW WITH THE VACANCIES IN STREETS. THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FILL. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE FOCUSING ON FILLING THE VACANCIES AND STREETS SO THEY DO NOT HAVE A STORM WATER CREW AT THIS TIME. CONTRACTUAL SERVICES REALLY COMPRISES OF THE STORM WATER COMPLIANCE. MS4 PERMIT. YOU KNOW, THE CONSULTANT THAT DOES THAT WORK FOR THEM? IT ALSO INCLUDES THE STREET SWEEPING. FOR CAPITAL. WE DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC PROJECT IDENTIFIED FOR 25, BUT WE KNOW WE NEED TO DO ASSESSMENTS. WE NEED TO DO EROSION CONTROL ASSESSMENTS, DO A MASTER PLAN. YOU GOT TO KNOW YOU KNOW, WHAT THE PRIORITIES ARE AND WHERE WE SHOULD DIRECT THE FUNDS FOR EROSION. SPECIFICALLY, A PORTION OF THE CEDAR RIDGE RECONSTRUCTION. ROAD RECONSTRUCTION THAT WILL KICK OFF IN THE FALL, HOPEFULLY. PORTION OF THAT, WE'RE GOING TO CHARGE THE DRAINAGE CONCERNS AND DRAINAGE COMPONENT TO KIND OF HELP WITH THE COST OF THAT. YOU NEED TO TALK ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE. THE DRAINAGE FUND REVENUE, THE INCREASE HAVE IS THIS SOMETHING WE'VE ALREADY COMMUNICATED TO THE PUBLIC OR WAITING FOR THIS TO BE ADOPTED? WAITING TO BRING IT TO YOU TO HAVE YOUR SUPPORT TO DO IT BEFORE WE ACTUALLY SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. THIS IS A PROPOSED BUDGET AND IT'S NOT YOUR BUDGET TO SAY, DON'T DO THIS OR DO UNDER CONSIDERATION RIGHT NOW WHEN WE IF WE ADOPT IT, THEN WHEN WILL THAT START? IS THAT OCTOBER IMMEDIATELY. YEAH. SO THE OCTOBER BILLING CYCLE OCTOBER. SO THEY WOULD GET IN NOVEMBER. SO YEAH WE NEED TO OKAY. SO THERE'S A I'M SORRY JUST BEFORE I FORGET. SO WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY IN THE HOUSE THAT IS CERTIFIED TO EVALUATE OUR STORMWATER PROTECTION SYSTEMS IN THE CITY DURING OUR CONSTRUCTION PROJECT. WELL, OUR CONSTRUCTION INSPECTOR DOES. YES, SIR. HE DOES? YES, SIR. HE'S QUALIFIED. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. WE HAVE MET, AND I'VE BEEN HAVING A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT DRAINAGE. WE HAD AN EMERGENCY SITUATION ON ROUND TOP. JELLISON. AND WHAT WAS THE THIRD ONE? LOS ALTOS. LOS ALTOS. LOS ALTOS. AND SO WE HAVE SOME DRAINAGE SURVEY WORK BEING DONE, ENGINEERING WORK AND EVERYTHING RIGHT NOW. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I KNOW I LEARNED IN THAT MOST RECENT MEETING THAT WE HAD, YOU THINK ABOUT IT, THE CITY OF DUNCANVILLE IS 11.5MI², ROUGHLY. THERE ARE 21 MILES OF TRIBUTARIES AND CREEKS WITHIN THE CITY. THERE IS A LOT OF WATER MOVING BACK AND FORTH ACROSS THE CITY AND DRAINAGE. AND SO THEY WERE IDENTIFYING ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT THINGS AS WE WERE TALKING TO THEM. AND REALLY, IT REALLY UNDERSCORES THE NEED FOR A DRAINAGE MASTER PLAN FOR THE ENTIRE CITY. SO WE CAN SEE WHERE THE PROBLEMS ARE, AREAS ARE AND EVERYTHING. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE I DON'T KNOW THE PLANNING ISSUE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT LIKE AN AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH OF THE CITY, ALL THE NEIGHBORHOODS, ALL THE PROPERTIES ARE BUILT ALMOST AS CLOSE AS YOU CAN GET TO THOSE CREEKS. I MEAN, THERE'S NO SPACE WHATSOEVER. SO I KNOW IN OUR DISTRICT THERE'S SEVERAL PROPERTIES THAT, YOU KNOW, THEIR HOUSE IS HEADED DOWN INTO THE CREEK. YEAH. AND OF COURSE, THEY'RE LOOKING TO THE CITY AND SAYING, HEY, CAN YOU ALL HELP US? AND SO, YEAH, DEFINITELY LIKE TO SEE SOME KIND OF A PLAN FORWARD. I JUST KIND OF A NOTE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING YOU COULD LOOK AT? I'VE SEEN SOME CITIES, AND I WAS LOOKING AT THE FEE STRUCTURES, YOU KNOW, SOME. SOME ASSESSED BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE. YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF RESIDENTS, I KNOW WE DO IT FOR COMMERCIAL AND ALL PREVIOUS AREAS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. WE JUST HEARD IT'S REALLY JUST A FIXED FLAT RATE REGARDLESS OF THE SIZE OF YOUR HOUSE. SO OKAY, KIND OF MOVING AWAY FROM THE UTILITY SIDE. NOW WE'RE GETTING TO HOTEL, MOTEL AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO KIND OF WRAP UP THE EVENING. SO HOTEL MOTEL, AS YOU KNOW, IS OCCUPANCY TAX AND WE GET FROM THE HOTELS. REALLY, THE COLLECTIONS HAVE BEEN PRETTY STABLE. THEY HAVEN'T FLUCTUATED TOO MUCH. THIS IS KIND OF A GOAL THAT MR. FINCH HAS ALREADY KIND OF ALLUDED TO WITH SHORT TERM RENTALS AND LONG TERM RENTALS. WE'RE WORKING ON THAT. FEES, BECAUSE THAT IS AN OPPORTUNITY AREA TO YOU KNOW, COLLECTIONS IN TERMS OF EXPENDITURES. SO JUST TO TO TO REVISIT THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE SPECIAL EVENTS PLAN OR THE SPECIAL EVENTS PLANNER IS ACTUALLY PAID OUT OF HOTEL MOTEL. 100%. EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE HAD DIRECTION FROM PARKS AND REC AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, TWO BOSSES, BASICALLY. CONTRACTUAL SERVICES. 644,000. WHAT THAT ENTAILS IS 357,000 OF THAT IS REALLY THE EVENT AND ARTS, YOU KNOW, RELATED GRANTS THAT ARE AWARDED EVERY YEAR. [03:30:01] THIS MAY NOT BE ENOUGH BASED ON WHAT WE DID THIS PAST YEAR. ANOTHER PORTION OF THAT 281,000 REALLY HASN'T BEEN TAPPED INTO IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. BUT IT IS A SOURCE THAT WE CONTINUE TO BUDGET FOR PROMOTIONS AND MARKETING AND EVEN WAYFINDING SIGNAGE. HAS BEEN OUT THERE FOR A WHILE. SO IT'S A PROJECT HOPEFULLY WE CAN DO SOONER. ON THE CAPITAL SIDE, 1.4 MILLION. IS THAT HVAC AND ROOF REPLACEMENT, A FIELD HOUSE THAT WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT? IN TERMS OF TRANSFERS. SO THIS IS JUST MORE OF A PLAN WHEN EXPENSES ARE ELIGIBLE KIND OF THING. SO DESIGNATED 105,000 FOR THE ARTS COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, TRANSFERRING IT OUT OF HOTEL, MOTEL BUCKET INTO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BUCKET FOR THE OVERSIGHT AND OVERSIGHT OF THE ARTS COMMISSION. SO THE HOTEL MOTEL TAX LAW YOU KNOW, YOU COULD DO UP TO 10% OR 15. 15. SORRY. 15% FOR THE ARTS. SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE CAP. IT'S THE COMBINATION OF THAT. YEAH. IT'S ALSO THEATER. YEAH. THEATERS INCLUDED THAT TOO. SO IT WORKS OUT TO ABOUT 139 OR SOMETHING OR OTHER, WHATEVER. BUT YES, THE 105. SO, SO WE'RE, YOU KNOW, DESIGNATING THE MAX THAT WE CAN AT THIS POINT TO GO TOWARDS ARTS. AND THEN ALSO POTENTIAL. I SAY POTENTIAL BECAUSE IT'S NOT NECESSARILY GUARANTEED, BUT POTENTIAL CITY EVENT GRANTS FOR THOSE EVENTS THAT COULD BE ELIGIBLE USES OF HOTEL MOTEL DOLLARS FOR THOSE SIGNATURE EVENTS. SO SO SO SO IT'S LIMITED TO UP TO 15% OF THE AUDIENCE. YES, 105,000. THAT'S NOT 15%. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IMPROVING OUR FINANCIAL POLICY. AND THIS IS SOMETHING ELSE I WOULD ASK THAT WE HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT IS ALSO PUTTING THE FINANCIAL POLICY FOR THAT 15. THE FULL 15% IS SET ASIDE FOR THE ARTS. AND I PROVIDED ONE EXAMPLE OF ANOTHER STATE THAT HAS DONE THAT. AND SO I JUST PUT THAT ON THE TABLE FOR DISCUSSION. I WOULD AGREE 15% FOR THE ARTS, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THAT IS WHAT IS A BIG INTEREST HERE IN THE COMMUNITY RIGHT NOW IS ARTS AND CULTURAL CULTURAL EVENTS. AND GETTING THE FULL 15% SET ASIDE FOR IT AND EVERYTHING THAT FALLS UNDER THE ARTS THAT ARE DONE HERE WITHIN THE. SO CAN I JUST TALK ABOUT THOSE? SO THE LAW IS 15% OF THE REVENUE. SO 923,000 TIMES 15% IS $138,450. OKAY. AND FROM THAT THE CITY ALREADY HAS AN AGREEMENT WITH THE DUNCANVILLE COMMUNITY THEATER. SO THAT 30,000 ONGOING. THAT'S SOMETHING THEY HAVE TO APPLY FOR EVERY YEAR. I THOUGHT IT WAS ONLY. WELL, THEY DO APPLY FOR IT EVERY YEAR, BUT IT'S THEY HAVE TO APPLY EVERY YEAR. BUT IT'S NOT AUTOMATIC. BUT AS PART OF THE CONTRACT THAT WE JUST DID AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT IT WAS. OKAY. SO THE 138 450 WOULD BE 50% WHICHEVER WAY. SO IF IT'S IF IT'S 105 PLUS 30 OR WHATEVER, YOU'RE YOU'RE BASICALLY GIVE OR TAKE $1,000 OR 15%. SO AND THAT IS PART OF THE ARTS, THE THEATER. SO WOULD THAT FALL UNDER JUST THE ARTS? PERIOD. 139 AND THEN THAT ALSO INCLUDES WHATEVER ELSE THAT MAY FALL IN THAT CATEGORY OF THE ARTS, INSTEAD OF I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE LOGIC OF EVENT AND THEN ARTS GRANT UP THERE. SO THIS IS STRICTLY JUST THE ARTS PIECE OF IT. SO AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO CAPTURE IN THE BUDGET WHAT WE TYPICALLY HAVE DONE FOR THE THEATER, AS WELL AS WHAT'S REMAINING OF THAT 15% DESIGNATED TOWARDS THE COMMISSION. IF AND SO THIS IS SEPARATE. REALLY? YEAH. SO WHAT I'M PROPOSING IS THAT SO THAT EVERY YEAR WE DON'T HAVE TO APPROVE IT, IT WOULD ALREADY BE WRITTEN INTO THE POLICY. SO THESE FINANCIAL POLICY, 50% OF THAT WOULD BE RESERVED FOR THE ARTS. RIGHT. SO AND SO WHENEVER EVERY. YOU KNOW, AFTER WE'RE GONE, EVERYBODY 15, 20 YEARS FROM NOW, THEY GO TO RECEIVE THE PROPOSED BUDGET. IT'S ALREADY IN THERE, 50% RESERVED FOR THE ARTS. THAT'S A POLICY CHANGE. [03:35:01] TRUSTEE DISCUSSION OF HOW YOU WANT TO STRUCTURE IT, I GUESS IT'S. YEAH. WELL, AGAIN, DEDICATING IT ALL TO THE ARTS OR COMMISSION OR. WELL, IT'S NOT THE ARTS. IT'S NOT THE ARTS COMMISSION WOULD BE SET ASIDE FOR THE ARTS. SO OBVIOUSLY THE ARTS COMMISSION DEDICATED WOULD REVIEW, YOU KNOW, ANY APPLICATIONS AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT THAT THAT 15% IS LEFEBVRE WOULD GO TO THEM OR WHOEVER IT IS WOULD STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE APPLICATION PROCESS. RIGHT. BUT YEAH, IT'S NOT AGAIN, THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT PUTTING THAT MONEY IN INTO THE ARTS COMMISSION'S HANDS AND THAT THEY HAVE COMPLETE CONTROL OVER IT. BUT THAT MONEY IS SET ASIDE FOR THE ARTS SO THAT THEY WOULD REVIEW ANY USE OF THAT MONEY. DOES THAT FALL UNDER THE CURRENT BYLAWS IN THE CHARTER? THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER DISCUSSION FOR ANOTHER DAY. WELL, I MADE I MADE A NOTE FOR A POLICY SO WE CAN BRING SOMETHING BACK TO YOU AND LIKE THE YOU KNOW, I FOUND ONE CITY, SOUTHLAKE. THAT'S WHAT THEY DO. SO. I DIDN'T GET IT. I GET IT AGAIN. A COPY OF THEIR FINANCIAL POLICY. CAN YOU GET TO MOVE ON? AND THEN LASTLY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. AS YOU KNOW THE REVENUE IS BASED ON SALES TAX. SO THE REVENUE IS SLIGHTLY LESS BECAUSE OF OUR PROFESSION, BUT IT'S ALSO INCLUDED IN THE REVENUES, THE POTENTIAL TRANSFER FROM THE HOTEL MOTEL THAT WOULD HELP OFFSET THEM. THE SPECIAL EVENT COST, IF, AGAIN, THEY'RE ELIGIBLE ON THE EXPENSIVE SIDE. OF COURSE, WE HAVE AN ADMINISTRATION WE HAVE NOW. WE KIND OF HAVE A WE HAVE A SPECIAL EVENTS DIVISION WITHIN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO ATTRACT THOSE SPECIAL EVENT COSTS SPECIFICALLY. AND THEN WE HAVE INCENTIVES AND THEN BEAUTIFICATION, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT'S MANAGED BY PARKS. BUT IT'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUNDING. SO SO IT HAS FOUR AND A HALF FULL TIME EMPLOYEES OR FULL TIME EQUIVALENT EMPLOYEES, INCLUDING INTERNS ON THE CONTRACTUAL SIDE, IN THE ADMINISTRATION BUCKET 889,000. PART OF THAT IS SURVEYS AND IMPACT STUDIES 200,000 FOR THE COMP PLAN AND FIELDHOUSE STRATEGIC PLAN. AND WE KICKED OFF SOME OF THAT COMP PLAN. SO SOME OF THAT PICK UP KIND OF THE REMAINDER OF THOSE COSTS 105,000 FROM THE ARTS COMMISSION, SINCE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE OUR OVERSIGHT OF THOSE FUNDS RELATING TO THE ARTS. SO THE EXPENSES THERE AND THEN ALSO ON SPECIAL EVENTS, THE RENTALS AND PROMOTIONS, CONTRACTUAL EXPENSES, ALL THINGS THAT GO INTO THE SPECIAL EVENTS, PUTTING ON THE ON THE TRANSFER SIDE. OF COURSE, THE FINAL PAYMENT WE'LL BE MAKING ON BEHALF OF THE FIELDHOUSE DEBT COMES OUT. AND THEN ON THE OTHER SOURCES, CATEGORY 2.3 MILLION. THOSE ARE ALL REALLY INCENTIVES. THAT'S REBUILDING DEMOLITION SIGN. YOU KNOW, YOU NAME IT KIND OF INCENTIVES AND THEN COMMUNITY INCENTIVES. ON THE BEAUTIFICATION SIDE, THEIR TOTAL BUDGET IS 240,000. SO THEY'RE THE ONES THAT PAY FOR THE NICE FLOWERS THAT WE SEE AROUND THE CITY. AS WELL AS WE HAVE ONE DEDICATED STAFF MEMBER AND SOME SEASONALS TO HELP WITH THAT EFFORT AND KEEP DUNCANVILLE BEAUTIFUL. ACTIVITY IS ALSO FUNDED OUT OF BEAUTIFICATION. IF WE COULD JUST TALK ABOUT THIS, AND I JUST WANT TO SHARE WITH COUNCIL THE CONVERSATION THAT I'VE HAD WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AT BCDC AND OBVIOUSLY VICTOR BEING HERE NOW AND ALICIA. I'M NOT SURE THE USE OF THE WORD ARTS COMMISSION GRANT IS THE RIGHT WORD. THAT'S ON THE SLIDE, BECAUSE THE CONVERSATION THAT WE'VE HAD IS THE ARTS COMMISSION DOESN'T HAVE STAFF. THEY DON'T HAVE ANY WAY TO PUT REQUISITIONS INTO OUR SYSTEM AND ALL THAT STUFF. SO IT WOULD BE $105,000 THAT WOULD BE BUDGETED FOR THE ARTS COMMISSION TO ACCESS THROUGH THE EDC THAT THAT THAT MONEY WOULD JUST BE THERE. THAT'S $105,000 THAT'S THERE, $105,000 TO SPEND. YOU GUYS SET UP THE POLICY OF HOWEVER THAT GETS SPENT, BUT THAT'S THERE TO SPEND THE EDC, THEN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, FOR ANY EVENT THAT THEY DO THAT QUALIFIES FOR FUNDS, WOULD WOULD SUBMIT FOR THE REIMBURSEMENT FOR THE TRANSFER BACK OVER FROM CONFLUENCE, BECAUSE NOT EVERY EVENT THAT THEY DO. FOR INSTANCE, A POP UP. I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE ART STUDIO, BUT THE POP UP AT THE ART STUDIO, RIGHT? THAT'S NOT GOING TO QUALIFY FOR HOT FUNDS. THAT'S NOT HOT FUNDS NECESSARILY ELIGIBLE NECESSARILY. MAYBE IT IS, MAYBE IT ISN'T, BUT PROBABLY NOT. VERSUS A ARTS FESTIVAL THAT THEY DO FOR THE WEEKEND WOULD BE RIGHT. SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO JUMP THROUGH THOSE HOOPS AND REALLY WORRY ABOUT THAT, THAT THE $105,000 WOULD JUST BE EARMARKED FOR THEM. THAT'S THEIR MONEY TO USE. THEY HAVE THAT $105,000. AND THEN WHEN THE EDC SEES A REQUEST THAT WOULD NEED IT, THAT THEY COULD GET THE TRANSFER BACK TO REPLENISH THEIR BUDGET. [03:40:07] DO WHAT I MEAN. OKAY. TO THAT POINT, IF YOU GO BACK ONE PAGE, ONE SLIDE WHERE IS THAT ON THERE. DOWN THERE. TRANSFER 105,000. ARTS COMMISSION GRANT TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. PARENTHESES. OVERSIGHT. SO THAT WOULD SEEM THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE MAYBE SAID DIFFERENTLY. IT PROBABLY DOES BECAUSE IT'S TO MATCH THAT OTHER, AND IT WOULD ONLY BE WHEN IT'S ELIGIBLE, RIGHT? SO IF THERE'S SOME IF THEY DO AN EVENT OUT OF THAT 105,000, IT DOESN'T MEET THE FUND'S REQUIREMENTS. THE CDC WOULDN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO TRANSFER THAT MONEY BACK. SO THE CDC WOULD JUST END UP FUNDING AS PART OF THAT $105,000 FROM THEIR BUDGET? YES. SO HOW DO WE TRANSPARENT HOW DO WE REFLECT THAT, WHERE ACCOUNTABILITY IS ON BOTH PARTS, TRACKING THE FUNDING AND WHAT'S REMAINING AND HOW IT'S SPENT, AND BRINGING IT TO THE COMMISSION TO LET THEM, THE ARTS COMMISSION, KNOW THE STATUS OF THE FUNDING. I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER KOONTZ IS ON TO SOMETHING. WE COULD PUT TOGETHER A POLICY AND SPELL THAT KIND OF OUT, THAT HERE IT IS, HERE'S THE MONEY AND THAT IT'S NOT A GRANT THAT THEY HAVE TO APPLY FOR WITH THE FOR DC. DC, IT'S JUST PART OF THEIR BUDGET. OKAY. IT'S PART OF IT'S IT'S A LINE ITEM IN THE BUDGET. I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF THE CONVERSATION WE'VE HAD WITH THE DC, DC BOARD. I THINK MY IMPRESSION OF THE DC BOARD, YOU GUYS JUMP IN HERE, BUT THEY'RE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE ARTS AND UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR OUR COMMUNITY. AND SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE'VE GOT TO SPELL IT OUT. THE ONE THING I DON'T KNOW, AND MAYBE THAT'S WHERE WE CAN PULL AN EXAMPLE FROM SOUTH LAKE, IS WHAT PARAMETERS DOES THE CITY COUNCIL WANT TO GIVE THE ARTS COMMISSION? BECAUSE THE ARTS COMMISSION REPORTS TO YOU GUYS, WHAT PARAMETERS DO YOU WANT TO SET FOR THEM? WHERE DO YOU REPORT TO THEM? I'M NOT SURE SOME DAYS, BUT WHAT PARAMETERS DO YOU WANT TO PUT IN PLACE FOR THE EXPENDITURE OF THOSE FUNDS? I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO THINK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT, TOO. IT'S SORT OF SPELLED OUT IN THEIR CHARTER. AND WHEN THEY WERE CREATED, IF YOU IN THEIR BYLAWS OR WHATEVER IT'S CALLED. IT'S KIND OF EXPLAINS HOW THEY CAN ADMINISTER THE FUNDING. HOWEVER, IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE PROBABLY WANT TO REVISIT AND YEAH, LET'S REVISIT THAT AND EVALUATE. WELL, JEREMY'S GOING TO HAVE A DRAFT, SO. OH, IN THE CITY. WHAT WAS THAT WACO THAT SHE MENTIONED? AND IT WAS MENTIONED IN OUR JOINT MEETING WITH THE ARTS THAT ANOTHER CITY DOES IT THAT PARTICULAR WAY WHERE THEY ASSIGN, ALLOCATE THE 15% FOR THE ARTS IN THAT CITY AND THEN THEIR ARTS OVERSEES THE ADMINISTERING OF WOULDN'T BE SURPRISES LIKE GOING TO ABILENE. SO SO MY QUESTION IS WE'VE KIND OF HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT RAISING, YOU KNOW. RIGHT. SO WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO RAISE THAT RIGHT? WELL, MAYBE LET US WORK ON A POLICY THAT THE PRESENT BACK TO YOU GUYS PRETTY QUICKLY. I IF BECAUSE YOU STILL HAVE THE THEATER RIGHT, THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT AND THAT $30,000. I MEAN, IF WE'RE TAKING IF WE'RE GOING TO SAY 15%, IT'S $138,450. OKAY. AND THEN IF WE'RE SUBTRACTING THE 30,000 OR WHATEVER THE YARD IS FROM FOR THE THEATER, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A COUPLE THOUSAND DOLLARS DIFFERENCE. IT'S GOING TO BE PLUS OR -105 TO 110. BUT AGAIN, THE THEATER HAS APPLIES TO THOSE FUNDS JUST LIKE ANYONE ELSE HAS TO APPLY. SO I'M NOT SURE IF WE CAN SET ASIDE MONEY FOR ANY ENTITY. UNLESS ARTS. I MEAN, ARTS COMMISSION MIGHT WANT TO. AND THAT'S POSSIBLE. MAYBE THAT'S PART OF THE POLICY TO YOUR POINT. MAYBE THEY APPLY TO THE ARTS COMMISSION. MAYBE IT'S 138 FOR 50IN ARTS. AND THEN WE SAY THE COMMUNITY THEATER. OKAY. YOU HAVE TO APPLY TO THE ARTS COMMISSION FOR THE GRANT. AND IT COMES OUT OF THAT. WELL, AND IT SEEMS LIKE OVER CERTAIN AMOUNTS THAT IT WOULD REQUIRE COUNCIL APPROVAL ANYWAYS. I THINK IT'S MORE STRATEGIC IN DOING IT. [03:45:02] IF WE'RE REALLY PUSHING FOR GROWING THE ARTS AND THE ARTS AND CULTURAL ASPECTS HERE OF OUR CITY. LET'S GET IT AS ORGANIZED AS POSSIBLE SO THAT, LIKE YOU SAID, IF WE'RE NO LONGER HERE, IT IS A PROCESS IN PLACE FOR IT TO CONTINUE FORWARD. WE WOULDN'T WANT TO LEAVE ANYBODY OUT THAT'S GOING TO BENEFIT DUNCANVILLE. THAT HAS BEEN SERVING DUNCANVILLE FOR AN EXTENDED AMOUNT OF TIME. SO LET'S FIND A WAY TO MAKE IT WHERE THE 15% IS ALLOCATED AND GET THE PROCESS STREAMLINED IN PLACE. AND WE JUST FOLLOW THAT AND IT GOES FROM THERE. ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO, BECAUSE IT'S JUST MORE A LONGSTANDING TRADITION OF GROUPING THEM TOGETHER. BUT YOU HAVE THE SANDRA MEADOWS TOURNAMENT THAT COMES AND ASKS EVERY YEAR, YOU GOT THE NEW FOLKS THAT HAVE BEEN IN GASSO COMES AND ASKS, AND THAT'S ALWAYS THOSE REQUESTS HAVE ALREADY BEEN KIND OF GROUPED TOGETHER, NOT OFFICIALLY, BUT THEY KIND OF COME RIGHT BEHIND EACH OTHER, ONE AFTER ANOTHER. SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO SEPARATE OUT BECAUSE OF ARTS THEATER, WE HAVE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THE THEATER AND EXPLAIN TO THEM THIS ISN'T A THREAT TO YOUR. NO, BUT THE DIFFERENCE WOULD BE SO DRAMATIC FROM WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST AND THAT WHOLE PROCESS WE ALREADY KNOW HAS TO BE TIGHTENED UP ANYWAYS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, RECEIPTS ARE MISSING AND HANDWRITTEN RECEIPTS ARE PUT IN PLACE. IT'S BEEN A LITTLE SLOPPY, AND I'M NOT GOING TO BLAME ANY ONE INDIVIDUAL OR ANY GROUP, BUT IT'S BECOME SO COMMONPLACE WE'VE BEEN RUBBER STAMPING IT THROUGH, SO IT HAS TO BE REVISITED AND TIGHTENED UP ANYWAYS. BUT WE I THINK WE NEED TO PROCEED WITH CAUTION AS WE EXPLAIN TO IF WE SEGREGATE OUT OF THAT, YOU KNOW THAT THAT GROUP OF NEXT, NEXT, NEXT. AND YOU TAKE THE THEATER AND SAY, NOW YOU GOT TO COME IN SAME PROCESS, BUT YOU'RE COMING IN SEPARATE. WE GOT TO JUST EXPLAIN, AS A MATTER OF COURTESY, WHY THIS IS BEING DONE THIS WAY. NO THREAT TO YOUR YOUR CHANCES TO GET TO GRANT. YOU STILL GOT TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, BUT WE'RE SEPARATING IT OUT BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN THESE THINGS HAVE BEEN GOING ON FOR, YOU KNOW, 20 PLUS YEARS, THE SAME PROCESS THAT NO DOUBT IT NEEDS TO BE REFRESHED AND REFINED AND EVERYBODY GOT TO KEEP HONEST ABOUT THE NUMBER OF HOTEL STAYS. THEY'RE REPORTING THEIR RECEIPTS. EVERYTHING. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT. IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME COMING ANYWAYS. SO VICTOR GETS TO GO AGITATE THEM ALL, INTRODUCING THEM TO CHANGE. YEP. AND I DON'T WANT TO SEEM LIKE WE'RE JUST PICKING ON THE THEATER. IT'S JUST. THAT'S THE EXAMPLE THAT KEEPS COMING UP. IT'S ARTS. ARTS? YEAH. WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY ELSE THAT COMES FORWARD TO ASK FOR GRANTS RIGHT NOW. THAT'S ARTS RELATED. BUT BUT I MEAN, BUT YOU GAVE SOME OTHER GOOD EXAMPLES LIKE SO SOME OF THE TOURNAMENTS THAT THAT HAPPENS EVERY YEAR. AND SO BUT THEY'RE APPLYING LIKE ANYBODY ELSE WOULD HAVE TO APPLY. YES THEY DO BECAUSE THOSE AREN'T ARTS RIGHT. WELL I MEAN BUT YEAH, WE DON'T JUST SET IT ASIDE FOR THOSE BASKETBALL TOURNAMENTS. YEAH. SO THEY HAVE TO APPLY. RIGHT. AND THEN WHAT'S CHANGED, KEEP IN MIND IS THE AGREEMENT THAT WE DID WITH THE EDC EARLIER THIS YEAR IS SO THEY ARE APPLYING TO THE EDC BOARD RIGHT NOW AND THEY'RE ADMINISTERING THAT. IF IT'S MORE THAN 50,000 IT'S COMING BACK TO COUNCIL. BUT OTHERWISE THEY'RE THEY'RE DOING THOSE. THEY'RE SO EFFICIENT. OR ANY OF THEM OVER 50,000 RIGHT NOW. I DON'T THINK SO. HAVE YOU SEEN ANY. THERE'S ONE THAT WE'RE REVIEWING THAT'S OVER 50,000. AND I WAS PUSHING THAT BECAUSE HOTEL RATES GO UP. OKAY. OKAY. SO WE'LL WORK ON A POLICY AND BRING THAT BACK TO YOU. THAT'S A GOOD DISCUSSION. THANK YOU. THAT HELPS. GOOD. SO THAT REALLY WRAPS UP THE FUNDS I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT ONE OTHER FUND. I DON'T HAVE A SLIDE FOR IT. BUT ASSET FORFEITURE AS YOU KNOW IS POLICE RELATED EXPENDITURES. AND SO SOMETHING THAT THEY WANT TO DO THIS YEAR IS TO ADD A K-9 UNIT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO USE ASSET FORFEITURE FUNDS FOR. SO THAT'S IN THE BUDGET DOCUMENT. I'M OF EXPLAINING THAT A LITTLE BIT, BUT THE REMAINING FUNDS ARE REALLY THE SMALLER FUNDS. SO YES, WE'RE GOING TO GET TO THAT. OKAY. IF I COULD JUST I DON'T KNOW WHO HAD I'M GOING TO SAY JEREMY. OKAY. REALLY. I WONDER OKAY. SO ARPA, WE DIDN'T SEE. YES. WELL, DEFINITELY. THAT'S COMING UP. YEAH. I JUST MET SOME OF THESE OTHER SMALLER FUNDS, LIKE AT GRANT, AND THERE'S SOME COURT FUNDS AND ASSET FORFEITURE. JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT ASSET FORFEITURE. RIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. COUNCILWOMAN. COUNCILWOMAN. GOOD. I'M SORRY. FOR HOT TAX FUNDS, PAGE 144. CAPITAL OUTLAY. YES. 1,000,033. [03:50:04] NO. ONE POINT. 1.4. IS THAT THE. THAT'S THE FIELD HOUSE. OKAY. OKAY. I'LL SEND THAT TO YOU GUYS. I JUST WANT TO MENTION THAT SHE MENTIONED THE K-9 UNIT. I MEAN, I DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THAT, BUT WE HAD NINE DIFFERENT POLICE OFFICERS APPLY TO BE PART OF THE K-9, AND AND THEY WERE SUPER EXCITED ABOUT BRINGING THAT PROGRAM BACK TO DUNCANVILLE. DUNCANVILLE USED TO HAVE THAT. AND IT WENT AWAY. PEDRO. PEDRO. BUT. SO ONE ONE OF THE OFFICERS WAS SELECTED FROM A PRETTY COMPETITIVE PROCESS TO HEAD THAT UP IS GOING THROUGH ALL THE TRAINING AND EVERYTHING. AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE POLICE OFFICERS ARE SUPER EXCITED ABOUT THAT. BECAUSE A PUPPY. NOT A PUPPY. NOT A PUPPY. YEAH. I'M TRYING TO PET THAT PUPPY. LIKE A SKINNY BEAR. OKAY, SO JUST KIND OF GETTING TO SIP AT THIS POINT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A FOLLOW UP CONVERSATION, OBVIOUSLY IN THE FALL WHERE WE PRESENT THE FACILITIES NEEDS ASSESSMENT AND WE START DOING THE LONG TERM PLANNING WHEN IT COMES TO SIP IN GENERAL. BUT REALLY IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IN FY 25 IS REALLY JUST THE TYPICAL THINGS THAT WE DO DO WITH UTILITY PROJECTS, AND THIS IS JUST A HIGHLIGHT OF SOME OF THEM. OF COURSE, THEY'RE IN THE BOOKS OF SOME OF THOSE THINGS. BUT THE OTHER PROJECTS WE'LL NEED TO TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, FUNDING SOURCES LIKE PARKS AND STREETS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT DON'T REALLY HAVE A REVENUE STREAM IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO FUND ONGOING CAPITAL NEEDS IN THOSE AREAS. SO ARPA OH, SORRY. SO NOW YOU'RE HERE. SO AND MAYOR, YOU KNOW, I WAS GOING TO SAY THIS AGAIN. SORRY TO SOUND LIKE A BROKEN RECORD. SO PARKS SIP AND AND $32,000 SITTING THERE. CITYWIDE TRAILS USED TO BE 1.5 MILLION. THEY MOVED SOME OVER AND WE NEED TO IDENTIFY A PROJECT. I'VE SAID THAT BEFORE. I'LL KEEP SAYING IT. WE NEED TO IDENTIFY PROJECTS. FOR TRAILS. BOND FUNDS. TRAILS. YES, SIR. CITYWIDE TRAILS. ANY KIND OF TRAIL PROJECT. AND I KNOW THAT THE PARKS BOARD HAS ALREADY MADE. THEY MADE RECOMMENDATIONS TWO YEARS AGO. PROJECTS. AND SO. AND THEY'RE KIND OF JUST WAITING FOR US. HOW COME Y'ALL HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING? SO WE HAVEN'T EVEN HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT THOSE PROJECTS. SO IS THAT IS THAT A PART OF THE PARKS MASTER PLAN OR IS THAT PART OF OUR MASTER PLAN? YES, BOTH. OKAY. AND NONE OF THAT'S BEEN ADDRESSED EITHER. WELL, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY DISCUSSION ON SOME OF THE PROPOSED PROJECTS, SO I'M NOT BLAMING ANYBODY FOR THAT. I'M JUST SAYING NO. AND DANIEL DALE, THAT'S ONE PROJECT THAT THEY RECOMMENDED. BUT THERE WERE OTHER PROJECTS. IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN WE CAN FOLLOW UP? THAT WAS ANOTHER. YEAH. IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN FOLLOW UP ON? SURE. BECAUSE THAT HAS BEEN ONE THAT'S BEEN KIND OF, I WOULDN'T EVEN SAY KICKED DOWN THE ROAD. IT HASN'T EVEN BEEN KICKED DOWN THE ROAD. IT'S JUST STAGNANT. STAGNANT. YEAH. AT LEAST IT'S KICKING. AND ALSO FOLLOWING UP WITH THE OTHER, LIKE MR. FENTON HAS ALREADY SAID, WE HAVE TO HAVE A COUNCIL DISCUSSION. REALLY? JUST REVISITING THE 2018 BOND PROJECTS IN GENERAL, RIGHT? YES, SIR. SO, CITY MANAGER, SO THE PLAN OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE BOND PROJECTS, YOU CAN JUST PUT THAT IN THERE. YEAH. AND TUESDAY IT'S ACTUALLY ON THE AGENDA THAT WENT OUT WHILE WE WERE SITTING HERE. TUESDAY, ONE OF THE GRANTS THAT WE WANT TO EXPLORE IS A IT'S A SIDEWALK AND TRAILS PROGRAM. SO MAYBE THERE'S A WAY TO LEVERAGE SOME OF THAT. AND I THINK IT'S THAT SHE'S GOING TO TELL US THE DETAILS AND THE DATES OF WHEN IT'S DUE. SO MAYBE THAT COULD BE A WAY TO HELP JUMPSTART SOMETHING FOR US. SO BUT WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT ON TUESDAY, AND THEN WE'LL ADD THE REST OF IT TO THE THE FOLLOW UP MEETINGS. THANK YOU. I GOT SOME. SO WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT DANIEL DALE. I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND THAT WE TAKE A BUS TOUR SO THAT YOU CAN SEE EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON OVER THERE, BECAUSE I WALKED IT FROM COPPER HILL DOWN THERE ALL THE WAY TO HOLY SPIRIT. AND I ALMOST GOT RAN OVER TWICE BECAUSE I GOT STUCK ON THAT BRIDGE AND THERE IS NOWHERE TO GO. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF SIDEWALKS. AND THIS WAS MIDDAY AND THERE WASN'T EVEN A LOT OF TRAFFIC. AND THEN A FEW DAYS LATER, I WAS COMING HOME OF DANIEL DALE AND THERE WERE THREE KIDS ON THE INSIDE. [03:55:06] IT WAS DARK, AND I DON'T KNOW, BY THE GRACE OF GOD, I SAW THEM AND I WAS ABLE TO MANEUVER, BUT I COULD HAVE KILLED ALL THREE OF THEM. THERE WAS NOWHERE TO GO. AND SO I KNOW PEOPLE TALK A LOT ABOUT WHEN YOU DON'T EVER SEE ANYBODY WALKING. THERE'S NOWHERE TO WALK. THERE'S. THERE'S NOT SIDEWALKS. THERE'S THERE'S NO SAFE PLACE, REALLY. SO I THINK THAT WAS A REALLY EYE OPENER FOR ME IN THAT I THINK WE'RE DOING OUR RESIDENTS A DISSERVICE. I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF FOLKS THAT DISAGREE WITH IT, AND I THINK WE'RE DOING OUR FOLKS A DISSERVICE BY NOT HAVING SOMETHING TO AT LEAST PROTECT THEM A LITTLE BIT. SO BUT I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND A BUS TOUR OR A WALK OR, YOU KNOW, JUST GET YOU CAN GET THAT WALK IN THE FALL OR WE CAN DO A BUS TOUR OR WHATEVER. BUT I'M TELLING YOU, IT IS. IT OPENED MY EYES, I REALLY DO. SO ANYWAY, THANK YOU FOR THAT. KIDS FROM VILLAGE TECH TO SCHOOL FROM THERE. I'VE SEEN THAT. YEAH. SO IT'S KIND OF TALKING ABOUT ARPA. AS YOU KNOW, THIS PROGRAM IS WRAPPING UP. WE HAVE TO OBLIGATE THE REMAINING OF THE FUNDS BY THE END OF THIS CALENDAR YEAR, PER THE FEDERAL GUIDELINES, AND HAVE IT SPENT BY IN THE 26. SO WE'RE WRAPPING UP, OBVIOUSLY EVERYTHING THE FIRE STATION MAKING ONE FINAL PAYMENT FOR THAT PRETTY MUCH TAKES CARE OF ANYTHING REMAINING WHEN IT COMES TO THE FIRE STATION. BUT THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE REMAINING THAT ARE OBLIGATED OUT OF THAT KIND OF SHOWS YOU WHAT'S BEEN SPENT ALREADY. AND THEN REALLY, WHAT'S UNASSIGNED OR HASN'T BEEN SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED FOR A SPECIFIC THING. AND THAT ALSO INCLUDES THE WHAT WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO USE FOR UTILITIES. BUT SO 1.1 MILLION REALLY SITTING ON THE TABLE, SOMETHING THAT WE COULD USE. IT NEEDS. WE ALL HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS. HOW MANY OTHER POTENTIAL USES THAT YOU'D LIKE TO NOMINATE? SO I'D SAY I BET IF YOU WENT AROUND THE TABLE, EVERY ONE OF US WOULD HAVE DIFFERENT. SO I WOULD ACTUALLY DEFER TO THE CITY MANAGER LOOKING AT THOSE FUNDS. AND I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT YOU WOULD RECOMMEND. WHATEVER QUALIFIES. YEAH, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU CAN ONLY USE IT ON CERTAIN THINGS. SO WHAT WHAT WERE THE ITEMS THAT WERE FOR CATEGORIES. WELL THE CATEGORIES. SO YOU HAVE REVENUE REPLACEMENT THAT YOU HAD TO CALCULATE LOST REVENUE, WHICH COULD BE PRETTY MUCH OPEN ENDED GOVERNMENTAL RELATED THINGS. THERE WAS BROADBAND RELATED STUFF FOR IT. BROADBAND. YOU HAVE MORE CONNECTIVITY. THERE WAS EMPLOYEE BASICALLY A PREMIUM THAT YOU CAN PAY ONE TIME EMPLOYEE FOR WORKING DURING COVID. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE REALLY WAS INFRASTRUCTURE LIKE UTILITIES, INFRASTRUCTURE. BUT I WILL I WILL POINT OUT, AT LEAST WITH THE CITY OF OUR SIZE. SO WE GOT OUR MONEY THROUGH THE STATE OF TEXAS. WE DIDN'T GET IT FROM THE FEDS DIRECTLY. SO WE ARE CALLED A NON ENTITLED UNIT. AND BECAUSE WE HAD RECEIVED LESS THAN 10 MILLION, WHAT THEY DID IN THE FINAL REGULATIONS WHEN THEY CAME OUT THAT YOU CAN DESIGNATE KIND OF LIKE AN ALLOWANCE LIKE YOU DO WITH YOUR TAXES. YOU KNOW YOU HAVE A STANDARD ALLOWANCE THAT THEY'LL AUTOMATICALLY GIVE YOU. SO UP TO 10 MILLION YOU COULD OPT FOR A STANDARD ALLOWANCE. SO THEREFORE, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF MAKES IT OPEN ENDED WHERE IT'S JUST THOSE PARTICULAR FOUR CATEGORIES. BUT REVENUE REPLACEMENT FOR THE GOVERNMENTAL STUFF. SO THAT'S WHY WE WERE ABLE TO DO THINGS WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. YOU LOSE ME. SO I'M SORRY. SO FOUR CATEGORIES. THERE'S FOUR CATEGORIES. WE DIDN'T GET THE 10 MILLION. WE OR WE'RE OPEN TO A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY. EVEN WHEN YOU GET INTO THE FOUR CATEGORIES LIKE SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT INFRASTRUCTURE THERE'S RS AND DWSRF. AND THEN LIKE A SUBSET OF THAT IS OUTDOOR RECREATION QUALIFIES. THERE'S SO MANY CONVOLUTED, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ANY OF THAT BECAUSE WE HAD A WE HAD A LOSS OF REVENUE. A LOSS OF REVENUE. SO THAT MEANS YOU CAN BASICALLY SPEND THE 1.1 MILLION ON WHAT YOU NEED. SO CAN ANY OF THAT MONEY GO TO THE OLD CAR REGISTRATION BUILDING THAT WE HAVE IN TERMS OF RENOVATING IT FOR USE. YOU CAN EARMARKED FOR MOST ANYTHING YOU WANT. I WILL REMIND COUNCIL WE HAVE A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT IT CHALLENGE AT THE MOMENT, BUT YOU CAN USE IT FOR WHATEVER YOU WANT. I GET THAT, BUT THAT BUILDING HAS BEEN THE TOPIC OF MANY. IDEAS FOR USAGE AND THE PROBLEM IS NO AIR CONDITIONING OUTDATED INSIDE MAJOR RESTORATIONS. BUT IF WE DON'T, IT'S BEST TO USE ASBESTOS. WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY. IF WE DON'T USE THE MONEY NOW THAT WE COULD USE TO AT LEAST GET IT, MAYBE CLOSE TO A USER READY, THEN ALL THESE IDEAS THAT PEOPLE HAVE ABOUT PUTTING IT TO ITS BEST USE FOR THE CITY, THEY JUST GO BY THE WAYSIDE. THAT BUILDING IS NOT TO BE CONSIDERED BECAUSE IT'S NOT HABITABLE THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW. SO THAT'S JUST A. ONE THOUGHT ON ON OF PROBABLY MANY THAT PEOPLE WILL HAVE ABOUT WHERE TO SPEND THIS MONEY. DID YOU GET THE DVDS? [04:00:03] I HAD AN ENGINEER GO THROUGH THE BUILDING A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT BUILDINGS. I'M GOING TO SHARE SOME INFORMATION WITH YOU GUYS, BUT ESSENTIALLY THE STRUCTURE OF THE BUILDING IS I'M GOING TO SAY, OKAY, IT'S GOOD, BUT THERE ARE PARTS LIKE FOR INSTANCE, THE HVAC THAT LITERALLY THE UNIT IS MISSING FROM THE ONE END OF THE BUILDING. IT WOULD REQUIRE A RENOVATION TO THE INTERIOR, BUT IT IS A USABLE BUILDING. SO JUST JUST A THOUGHT. I JUST WANT TO REPEAT WHAT I SAID IS THAT I'M, I'M INCLINED TO JUST DEFER WITH ALL THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE. AND THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING, RIGHT? THAT NEEDS MONEY. BUT THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE. YEAH. I'LL DEFER TO THE CITY MANAGER'S JUDGMENT ON WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE RIGHT NOW. IT WE'RE NOT GOING TO NEED THAT BUILDING. YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN GET, WE CAN SEND AN EMAIL TO. YEAH. YES, BUT BUT IF I PUT A LIST TOGETHER FOR YOU. YEAH, I'D LIKE TO. YEAH, WE DEFINITELY CANNOT DO IS WE CAN'T PUT IT IN A PENSION. IT HAS TO BE ASSIGNED BY DECEMBER. IT HAS TO BE OBLIGATED BY THE END OF THIS YEAR. SO WE HAVE SOMETHING REALLY IN WRITING AGREEMENT, PURCHASE ORDER KIND OF CONTRACT. YOU KNOW, SOMETHING I THINK WE HAVE TILL THE END OF 26 TO ACTUALLY SPEND IT. BUT WE GOT WE GOT TO IDENTIFY, YOU KNOW, AGREE TO COME DOWN THERE. SO IT'S GOING TO GET HARD. YOU PLAN ON EATING. OKAY. SO WE'LL FOLLOW UP ON THAT ONE FOR SURE. GOING TO GET HARD. OKAY. SO THAT KIND OF WRAPS UP ALL OF THIS IN A FOUR HOUR NUTSHELL. SO AT THIS POINT LET'S JUST KIND OF REVISIT THE TAX RATE PIECE OF IT, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BREAK INTO INTO THAT VOTE BEFORE WE ADJOURN. SO I HAVE TO SWITCH MEETINGS. DO YOU WANT TO. YEAH, LET'S LET'S BECAUSE WE CAN ACTUALLY ABANDON THIS MEETING SO WE CAN OFFICIALLY GO INTO OUR NEXT MEETING, WHICH ADDRESSES THAT ISSUE. OKAY. SO LET ME PASS OUT. LET ME SHOW YOU WHAT I'M PASSING OUT HERE, JUST SO YOU HAVE IT FOR YOUR RECORD. SO THIS IS AN UPDATED RIGHT NOW, IN THIS MOMENT. LET'S GO AHEAD AND ADJOURN OUR SPECIAL MEETING AT 4:00. AT 3:23 P.M.. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.